As he should.
This is just getting out of control. Everybody needs to shut up and worry about themselves. I'm talking about players coaches and especially recruits. And most importantly fans.
Well, if nobody worried about it or cared, it would kind of cease to exist... college football fans are passionate and OSU has some of the most passionate out there.
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
True, but have you seen it this bad before?
You must be new.
It's like this after every loss. It's like this even when they win close games. Lots of extremely vocal schmucks on the internet who just hammer away on the keyboard.
Virginia Tech loss. Michigan State loss. Penn State loss. Clemson losses.
Beating cupcakes and losing to good teams doesn't do it for me and a lot of fans.
You are so correct and if you have to defend this take to anyone they really don't know sports or have no competitive nature. They watch for casual entertainment.
I am somewhat new to this site, and you are right there are a bunch of psychos out there going off and I just read something about people attacking Shelley Myers on Twitter, that is just unbelievable. Some times I hate being an Ohio State fan. Or at least I hate being associated with some of the boneheads that call themselves Ohio State fans.
I hate to be the one to break this to you but every program has idiot fans, but to your original post up there about how everyone needs to shut up including the fans......I'm not sure what your vision is of college football where we all watch the game and then after we don't talk about it, that would be strange and websites like this wouldn't exist and if you're advocating that we only say nice things and aren't allowed to have a negative opinion, that might be equally as stupid
^ best post ever ^
I would add that some of the most virulent critics show up here on this site ONLY when we lose. I've never seen half of the people up here venting their spleen before.
Aside from the Clemson loss, we should have won all of those other games. That's the damn problem. When an average VT team comes and beats you at home by 14, that's a problem.
When MSU beats you with not 1, but 2 backup QBs on your home field, that's a problem.
When you are up on Penn State by 14 going into the 4th quarter and piss it away, that's a problem.
It's not that we lose, it's how and to whom we lose to is what pisses me off.
passion is one thing being stupid is another
I dont know karate but i do know crazy and i'm not afraid to use it.
Opposing college football coaches agree with Price, It's not the QB,
Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)
That's a good read. Thanks for the link.
Great article. Thank you
I'm sure opposing coaches love JT at QB. Price did suck at times but he was an underclassman and JT is a 5th year senior. Nobody wants to admit how unfair this is to backups who work hard also. I seen great leadership on the other sideline when they got behind. Maybe Price should have looked across the field, then at his sulking QB wanting not wanting to be bothered. This is more about Urban preaching that he won't accept mediocre. JT hasn't even reached that stage yet.
I wonder if they asked opposing college football coaches who the Buckeyes face later this year?
Me thinks they would want the status quo OSU offense to play against.
Just devils advocate on this article....
I think the article is pretty accurate. I sat in C deck on Saturday and focused completely on the receivers in the second half. I have zero clue what their routes are and why they are being called/taught. When they are clearing space, none of the DBs or LBs believe that they are actually an option. They remind me of Randy Moss not having his gloves strapped on running plays. There is no vertical threat, no scheme with crossing routes or "pick plays" or the tight end down the seam. They run 5-8 yards and stop in a preset spot on the field. Frankly, I expect more from a staff with this much experience and creativity.
I do have faith however that the ship will be righted. We saw a similar progression in 2013-2014. Lopsided Losses coupled with poor performances = a renewed focus and dedication to correcting mistakes and coming together in an "Ohio against the world" type mentality. Still like us to be in the playoffs and win the Natty. I am not sold on any of these teams going undefeated.
I can agree that the way we played Saturday night is not all on JT, but also the coaching staff. JT is a good QB, but he is not great. I go back to the VT Tech loss where VT Tech did not fear us and crowded the line of scrimmage. After that JT threw more and sooner, but I don't think we are seeing the same JT now either. Herman was more of a, "go through a couple reads than scramble" where as it seems now that JT goes through all of his reads than stays behind the line of scrimmage. I think that he thinks too much and acts to little and that is a result of people coaching him. All of Urbans losses are the result of the same vanilla offense play calls. Herman used motion to get the defense out of position. I don't think the issue is JT, I think it is the tempo, which Wilson was brought here to remedy. JT has no confidence throwing the ball downfield. He needs to do quick out routes and let the offense make plays like Campbell ane Dixon, sprinkle a little Dobbins and Webber punch and we should be good to go. Time will only tell.
Coaches? Players? What do they know? #FireMeyer! #FireJT!
I would respond to this by telling you to stop reading what other people say and use your own eyes. JT has put up numbers against cream puffs. Name one game when he has literally lit up teams with equal talent. You can maybe say one and that's Oklahoma from last year and that defense last years was younger and suspect. Even in 2014 the schedule was full of cream puffs TTUN was not at the point it is now, Penn was still on suspension and depleted and they still took us to OT. Minnesota took us to the wire. So I even put an * on the season people love to praise JT for. But I digress.
he claims nobody has a single doubt about JT. But the parent of a player told a bucknuts staff member that the majority of the locker room is tired of JT and wants Haskins to get a chance.
Maybe the majority of the locker room should ask Urban to allow Wilson to run the offense.
I'd give anything for that, but don't hold your breath...
I don't believe in no-win scenarios
I would love for a reported or fan to call in and say, "hey Urban, do you know what is in common with losses while you have been at Ohio State?" Running the QB, stop doing it! I will hang up and listen to your response, GO BUCKS, lol.
Yeah, this sounds like captain speak.
Look, Hartline and Boone were pissed about Boeckman getting benched in 2008. He was an All-B1G QB the previous year, but the offense needed a change. Tough decisions need to be made sometimes.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
Todd-not Boeckman or Todd Boeckman?
"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."
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This is so true...
No one kidding anyone here. Ten out of the last 12 quarters we've been outplayed. Not counting the rest of our offensive problems the last couple years. Of course we blamed a lot of it on our offensive coordinator. We replaced him with someone who's been successful everywhere else he's been. Where do we point the finger at? And if you don't think the players don't see it you've probably never played a sport
True, however, JT can't throw the ball AND catch the ball. JT does not play defensive back or linebacker. JT does not call the plays or pass protect. All of this plays into the TEAM poor performance this season and in those big games that have been mentioned. What is truly disturbing to me is that it is Wednesday and it appears that they are still sulking over this loss. They should be pissed but judging by the videos etc. I do not see any fire in their eyes. People quote what occurred in 2014 but that team was angry and motivated. Maybe I am wrong but their body language contradicts what they are saying. They better wake up because Army does not give a damn about their feelings. The way this team has played so far this season anyone can beat them.
Really?!? This got 16 up votes? Are we in High School?
If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die.
But the parent of a player told a bucknuts staff member
Are we really resorting to this? Look, as I said before, I'm done defending JT but this is getting a little ridiculous.
I've said it for years, urbans offense puts too much on the QB yet doesn't have a complete playbook. The play calling leaves playmakers with no chance to get the ball . Michael Thomas ring a bell? The RBs in big games like this past Saturday? Zeke vs MSU in 2015? No screens. No quick game. No draws (except QB draw from empty). No schemed up ways to take advantage of matchups. It's pathetic. Yet JT and Brixton are asked to run it 25 times and complete multiple deep balls per game. Often while not having solid protection and with WRa that can't get deep on people. It's asinine. So, I don't think it matters who the QB is. It matters who the dumbass is who won't let the OCs put together and call a dynamic game.
Dude, my wife even screams, "here comes another QB draw" everytime they line up with an empty backfield... If my wife has learned that tendency, it goes without saying that opposing defenses have too
This was my biggest beef in the Tressel era, now Meyer is falling into the same trap. Take the tape from Oklahoma and learn how to be an efficient and diverse offense.
I get he is going to defend his quarterback, but it's tough to say anybody is the best anything at Ohio State. There have been many leaders as good or better than Barrett throughout the years.
I agree. Statistics dont tell the whole story.
Right I was just talking with my buddy about his stats/records/overall record and the conclusion is it really just comes down to a pathetic Big10 the past few years... rarely does he have great statistical games against solid opponents (except MSU '14).
And I know you play the people in your conference but hell if you take out MD and Rutgers his stats would dip considerably. Just purely passing stats he had 16 tds and around 1300 passing yards.. in Just SIIX games. And MD '16 is when he was splitting with cardale and had 20+ yards and no tds.
“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”
This is true...
I like to think of it this way
2:00 minutes left down by five, which QB do you want on the field?
Whoever you think of first is most likely who you believe is the best QB to play for tOSU.
1) Troy Smith is my answer
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
I do believe that those recruits so bold that they would make statements promoting change while on a visit are the same type of flawed character that would lead them to cause thos type of division in any locker room they played in. It may not be certain, but its likely. The more I think about it the more it pisses me off. Urban should send a message by publicly ending OSU's pursuit of them. It would not only be good for OSU, but for all sports.
And keep in mind, I would start Joe Burrow tomorrow if I could, but Im not being offered a full scholarship and invitation to be part of the family either.
Theire is only one truth...
You are talking about 17 year old and 18 year old kids. There is a big maturity curve through senior year and into college. Plus, JT isn't the player they are matched up with on their visits. The younger guys host recruits so I am sure they are A LOT closer to Haskins. You are worried about a tweet?! I would be more worried about recruiting some of these kids that have a history of a few worse things than a dumb, immature tweet.
It appears the JTB supporters are getting fewer and fewer with each "passing" game.
And for good reason.
My favorite team? Whoever is playing TTUN.
I'm a big time JT supporter but that doesn't necessarily mean that I want to see him starting anymore.
It appears that the closer you are to the team itself, the more likely you are to be a JT supporter. And for good reason, we only see the team play for a few hours on a saturday while they see what he does every day on and off the practice field.
People have to talk about something just to keep their voice boxes in working order so they'll have good voice boxes in case there's ever anything really meaningful to say. - Kurt Vonnegut
He must be one hell of a QB in practice...
glad he is a great leader. doesn't mean he can complete a 15-yard pass
Didn't you also wish he'd get injured?
Nope, just wanted to see a scenario where Haskins plays. JT's been through a lot so I would never wish another broken ankle or ACL tear, but a minor finger stub that would allow Haskins to get in would change the course of the entire season for the better. Love the kid, but he's a terrible QB and it's the only scenario where Haskins gets a chance
I had enough, alot of us (I) took this loss really hard. I been critical of something's myself. We are a divided fan base on alot of personnel and coaching issues. Those things need to be set aside, need to get behind our team as true fans do. We owe it to the program as they sure as hell have gave us a million joys for every sorrow. This team needs it's fans behind them right now and it starts with army so let's go.
Noon games suck
Benjamin Button of college football. He's wise and shit, but pretty soon he's going to regress some more and forget how to grip the ball.
"The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish" - Charlie Chaplin
One thing I will say about JT. He did lead us over Penn State back in 2014 when if I recall correctly he was pretty dinged up. Dude has earned his place in the history books, and I am thankful for that. However, I can still think he isn't the right man for the present job.
Buckeye for Life
I can appreciate this comment; however, I feel that then, JT supplemented below average passing with a hunger to make a play at all costs. JT would run to make a play then.
As sad at it is, JT looks indecisive. He's lost the killer instinct and doesn't run when we need him to. It seems he's trying to prove he can be a great passer. Whether he is trying to prove that for his NFL draft stock, he's scared to get injured again, or he's being told to not run-- he's not progressing the offense. Given that this loss is frankly the culmination of cumulative failures and inconstancies, there is no room for excuses. Lets try a QB who wants to run if the receivers are not getting open or creating separation. Lets start a QB who is ready for the zone look, and throws the ball where the receiver should be. Business is business-- lets move on.
"Gardner-- Right side.. IT'S INTERCEPTED, OHIO STATE INTERCEPTS IT! ... Tyvis Powell saves the season!"
I agree with everything you said. I just see how much flack he is taking albeit some justified. I just wanted to still show some appreciation for what he has done for us at the same time.
MTBGA!!!!!! We can all agree with that!!
What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.
I admire Billy's loyalty. It is a sign of brotherhood. The issues of the fanbase with JT are well socumented. I hope it goes like 2014. I really hope it does. But what exactly is going to be changed or improved to prevent this from happening again?
And has any Buckeye QB ever started 4 consecutive wins over m*chigan? After this year, I am confident we will have the first. Best OSU quarterback ever.
God Bless JT.
This is ALL on the play calling.
It's actually not ALL on the play calling
Not even close to the best. That said he's had some really good games. Unfortunately against really good teams, not so much. It's hard to call plays when your QB can't execute them. I still think he just won't pull the trigger on timing passes.
I still think he just won't pull the trigger on timing passes.
As someone who previously defended Barrett, or at least believed the issues were more with scheme than player, I now agree with this statement. I still think he has the skills deep inside, but they are lost in a lack of decisiveness/confidence. He seems to make the right initial read in most cases, but hesitates, and by the time he pulls the trigger the timing is off. Now, to be fair, he has thrown some decent "deep" balls that have either been dropped or the WR just didn't come down with it, but I'm actually more concerned with his short and intermediate throws than anything else.
I really don't see an answer. Someone smarter than me needs to fix this. I am to point of blowing off the season and work towards next year with experience.
Yes. one loss and you should definitely give up.
Get a grip. Oklahoma may be the best team in the country right now. My point is there is too much we don't know.
Oklahoma is NOT the best team in the country. Remember that Defense wins championships!
We will still win games and I will enjoy it. I'm just not going to be blind that we are not a contender among the best. We have a glaring hole at DB and QB and we will be sticking with them. I said before the season (because of the talent on other teams) that we would lose 2-3. I just didn't see our pass defense to be anywhere near dead last. If you think this is a contender for the NC then you need to get a grip.
Sounds like you are saying your are not "Allinosu"?
Who ever said they were ready to move on from JT because of "one loss"?
Good, don't watch the games or bring your negativity here either
Montana Silver Bullet
Go some where else if you don't like it.
I bet you any amount of money those receivers are ready for a change but won't speak publicly about it. Price is just getting his boys back as he should. Four years as a starter and I've never seen Barrett make a back shoulder throw. The all time leader in big10 "passing stats" will go undrafted tells us all we need to know.
If if was a fifth we'd all be drunk
The Barrett of today would not be drafted. The Barrett of today is not producing. So do we keep expecting a different result from a player that has had 5 years to refine his craft ? Or we can put one of the new less experienced talents into the fire...as JT was 5 years ago.Or we can keep sprinkling Meyer's pixi dust and play no name teams to make it look like things have improved .
The difference between everyone calling for his head in 14 and JT is that Price was able to actually go out and work and get significantly better. JT has shown for a couple years now that he is not changing.
It's great that a fellow senior leader has his back, but the blame for the lack of offense in big games has fallen on other coaches and players for far too long. JT is a 5th year senior and has to be held accountable for the lack of a passing game. It does not make me happy to be critical of him, but his time as a starting qb needs to come to an end. The last thing I want for JT (or any buckeye) is to be booed by 100k fans, but it's quickly reaching that point. We have had way too much talent during his helm at qb not to be much more proficient on offense...and I'm done blaming other people. I'm really not trying to make this personal. By all accounts JT is a 'good' guy and leader, but Urban teams have the talent to compete for championships every year, and we need a qb that can make 10+ yard throws and keep defenses honest to stand a chance against the very best teams. It's pretty clear that JT is regressing, so now is the best time to make the change. By all accounts, we have talented but unproven qbs just waiting for their chance, and I wish Urban would start either of them over the next 3 games as they are perfect games to get Confidence and experience. There is literally nothing JT can do over the next 3 games that would give me confidence that he is the answer in big games and during a playoff run.
JT is a very good QB. The Offense we want to run doesn't work with him in the lineup. The Offensive staff need to call plays that are made to exploit JTs strength. JT is a running QB that is made for a option zone read offense. We struggle in the pass game for 2 reasons: 1) JTs arm strength is limited. 2) The offensive line struggles to give ample time needed for JT to throw the ball. JTs pass range is about 40 yards. After that he struggles. Most CBs and Defensive coaches have found the best way to defend JT in the pass game is to sit in zone coverage and challenge the WRs to find room. As for the O-line the left side and center hold their own. However, on the right side you have an inexperienced lineman in Bowen beside Prince who struggles mightily against faster DEs in the pass rush. The only solution is to run the ball. Our O-line's strength is in the run block. We also possess two of the best RBs in the nation. JT is effective while running the football but only at select moments. Run the triple option. This basically allows for our linemen to impose their will early in games. The opposition defense will need to move their Secondary from zone to man and help negate the running attack. And that is when JT can start passing. With the secondary moving closer to the line it creates more opportunities to get WRs open in JTs pass range. One of the best things about this type of offense is it controls the clock.
Football is a religion in Ohio. We attend our service every fall on the banks of the Olentangy. A place we affectionately call "the shoe".
Most teams, including most elite top 10 teams, would love to have our offensive line 'problems'. Lagow and Baker were under more 'stress' than JT. The only difference is that they know how to throw a ball.
See. This guy makes sense.
Exactly right Buckeyenation.
It's all on the play calling.
It was the playcalling in 2015
It was the playcalling in 2016
It is the playcalling in 2017....
It was JT in 2015, 2016, 2017
Unless you are calling for Urban's head? At which point you're insane, he has three titles, and JT has Harbaugh numbers for championships (zero)
It was Cardale too in 2015...just saying.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
Ample time? He holds the ball for 5 seconds most plays. That's plenty of time. At least one of the three sacks was completely his fault. The de or olb rushed up field and prince shadowed him, by the time the rusher collapsed back down JT had held the ball forever. Linemen aren't going to be able to block for 5-7 seconds every play against decent competition. He will have pressure some plays. Lagow and Mayfiled were under far more pressure and still managed to get the ball out and have decent passing stats.
I know we all have our marginally informed opinions, but 17 year old recruits spouting off about who the team should or shouldn't be starting is something I can do without.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
While I agree that something has to change on offense, I'd like to think that the conglomerate of millionaires coaching the Buckeyes might have a better view of the situation. As to some of the scorching hot anonymous takes on JT's capabilities or lack thereof, by all means - offer those to him in person. Doubt Mr Price would need to back him up...
Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.
So what? So he can punch them in the face?
If he really gets that bent out of shape by what random internet strangers say about him on the internet then he's got bigger issues. Welcome to the real world.
My patients can rate me and give me "scorching hot reviews" if I don't prescribe them their preferred narcotic to get high, or if something completely out of my control gets their surgery cancelled (like them lying on a patient intake form about their medical history). Life sucks. If you can't handle the heat from random internet tough guy then you probably don't have the gumption to be QB at OSU either.
OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!
I dont believe you. If there was a website covering your practice and everyone on it ran you down, it would bother you. If you constantly heard that you should be fired and youre ruining the whole practice, it would end up getting to you. Especially if youre 23 and not getting a paycheck for it. The offense is clearly a complex mess but so many here are putting the entire burden on JT. What you face as a medical professional is nowhere near the same as the public scrutiny that comes with being in JTs place. JT has more than kept his composure through all the backlash. With regards to the OPs point, most people here would not say this stuff to JTs face and the reason for not has nothing to do with punching.
Some surgeons have a God complex, they can fix anything. Just do not question them.
His that for a hot take?
The orthopedic surgeon who put my crushed leg back together after a car wreck played god that afternoon.
The old joke is that the difference between God and a Neurosurgeon is the God doesn't think he is my Neurosurgeon.
Or something like that.
Let's be honest folks, we the fanbase just care about winning.
I don't recall people coming out of the woodwork to bench Craig Krenzel in 2002, even though his QB play was downright ugly at times. It was just because he didn't lose a game. If JT Barrett had won vs. Oklahoma, even by one touchdown, nobody would be breaking out the pitchforks. We would simply say, "Wow we beat the #5 team in the country!"
And Urban is being lambasted by the fans in a weird way because he recruits so well. In 2017 we have 4 great QBs on the roster. In 2002 that wasn't the case. But that bag of riches doesn't mean you bench your starting QB, captain and leader. You just fix what isn't working across the board.
Pick a starter and run with him. I don't want to see a return to 2015 where there is no clear starter at QB and 2 QBs don't have confidence in themselves.
Just saying that we should be careful what we wish for. It might not end up the way you want. I'll trust in the judgment of our highly-experienced coaching staff.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Dude, get a grip. No one was calling for Craig to be benched before the 2002 season. People have been calling for JT to be benched for a while. No sportscasters were talking about Craig needing benched. Kirk Herbstriet, a former Buckeye was calling it for it with others. JT and Craig aren't even comparable.
During the Holy Buckeye Purdue GAME people were calling for him to be benched. Sat in a bar full of fans who were actually booing IN A BAR 6 states away from that game. Fans are pathetic some times. Those same fans wanted to high 5 me after that one great pass.
I never gave up then and I'm not about to give up now it's a long season Go Bucks Go JT
Same with me. Trust in the starters and Go Bucks!
I am certain we won't win a championship with JT. 100%, take it to the bank certain. He can not pass the ball. He is a 5th year senior, has a bona fide OC and QB coach, and has 4 and 5 star WRs. Yet here are his stats this year....7 of 19 throwing the ball 10+ yards. 2 of 14 for balls thrown over 15+ yards. And this is against Indiana and Oklahoma! Oklahoma is not exactly an elite defense. Elite offense...sure. But I am sure their D will be giving up more than 16 pts against everyone in the Big 12. Again, it's not like this isn't a trend with JT. Look at the last 3 games of '16. He was god awful passing against Mich St, UM and Clemson. All 3 could've very easily been losses. He has gotten so many passes with our fanbase. Everything is always someone else's fault. He has had arguably the greatest offensive collection of talent in OSU history during his tenure, so of course he's going to put up great career stats and have a great w-l record. But don't you think either of our backup qbs can put up huge numbers with the talent we have against bottom dwellers? What really matters is beating elite defenses, and JT cannot do it. Do we have keep firing the coaching staff and blaming other players to realize this or can we finally call a spade a spade. It's time to breathe new life into the program, utilize our 4 and 5 talent, and move on with Haskins or Burrows.
So much this.
No one is questioning JT's ability as a leader. He can also lead from the bench. Everyone is questioning his ability to be a competent quarterback, which he is clearly not.
Thanks for your contributions JT, now mentor Haskins or Burrow through the rest of this lost season so they can be ready to go next year and make a run at a championship.
People are questioning his leadership ability. A DUI is not good leadership period nor is it good decision making. That is now an automatic dismissal from military service. Not good leadership. What does that say to the rest of the team? Go get drunk and drive. Not good leadership.
This is exactly my opinion as well. Great comment
first let me say i called for a qb change..and maybe some game rep competition would be advantageous??/ who is to say? but i have to agree with Price on this..along with other reads i am sure you all have read about the failure of this offensive scheme to evolve.. i am not a coach but i think there is matter of fact truth in much of that,,however, we can turn this all around and kick some ass!!!
Part of me wants them to bench JT just so that we can see what happens. Maybe we'd be more competent on offense and I'd be fine with that. Or maybe we'd be worse and I could say "I told you so". But we're all missing the point if we think JT is the only problem with this offense or team. The D is bad, point blank. The receivers are still dropping balls, and when a play breaks down they have no idea what to do. The off play calling is out of sync, and I'm not sure what's going on with the defensive coaching. Just bad all the way around right now.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
Still have confidence that our Defense will be elite as the season progresses. Against Indiana, Schiano put the dbs on an island without much safety support in the 1st half. Think it was an over aggressive strategy and put too much pressure on our inexperienced Dbs. The 2nd half, he provided more back end support and their passing game cooled off.
Against Oklahoma, I think the biggest problem was the coverage by our lbs. They lacked discipline in their coverage responsibilities and were too aggressive. Baker easily picked them apart. That said, I'm not seeing any of the hype that we heard this summer about Arnette. But unless one of the talented freshmen surprises, he'll probably remain one of the 3 'starting' corners and the weak link. Ward is a gamer and I think Sheffield will be as well as the season goes on.
All said, Think losing Fickell has hurt our lb play and discipline. Schiano has undoubtedly been much more aggressive this year, and it hasn't paid off as much as he had hoped. Of course, there is nothing at all to worry about with the DLine.
So why did Mayfield have success with an RPO, but OSU doesn't? Could it be that Mayfield can pass bit JT can't. Price needs to shit his mouth until he gets a clue. He was a redshirt freshman in 2014 so he had a reason to struggle. JT is a fourth year starting Senior. Major difference. JT should have improved by now. I want to go on but I will be respectful.
"want to go on but I will be respectful."
I think you're a little late for that.
I don't think JT's that bad. We just have a terrible game plan and we're entirely to predictable. We need new concepts offensively, especially one's designed to throw vertical passes.
But you're assuming JT has the ability to throw vertical passes, which the stats clearly indicate he cannot.
So if he can't throw vertical passes game plan to his strengths not what the media is pressing you to do.
The shoe could be absolutely brutal on Saturday. Me thinks there will be boos and it'll be even uglier then than it is now, if that's possible
Unfortunately, I agree. No one deserves to be booed, especially a team captain, but many fans have wisened up about who the problem is on offense. You can only fire so many coaches and point the finger at other players for so long.
The reality is Barrett will give Ohio State the best chance to make the playoffs. Can he win big games? Yes and No. Last time I checked, Cardale Jones took over and won it all. Can we hope for a repeat? We can only wait and see.
Talk about blatantly lying to make his coach happy..
As a commenter on a sports blog, I know exactly what OSU needs to do to recover and win the National Title.
Too bad they don't read my posts or I'd elaborate.
As a person having eyeballs, I can clearly see who the problem. Ever since 2015, I've been hearing JT fanboys blame anyone and everyone else as to why we can't have a functional passing offense. And worse, there are many who seriously believe that they're 'better' OSU fans for defending their qb, but at the same time, think it's ok to throw our coaches, oline, and wrs under the bus. Now that Warriner and Beck are gone, they want to blame everything on Smith and/or Stud. Fire everybody .... just leave our JT alone. Pathetic. Why is it that Cardale didn't get a longer leash? Evidently beating Mich St is the only way to get job security.
Watching the players interviews was sad. Those dudes are broken. I hope the coaches can snap them out of it.
JT has said this before 'if there is a better quarterback than me than he should be starting' I guess there isn't one. We as a fan base have to accept that it's not changing.
Fortune favors the bold.
JT has said this before 'if there is a better quarterback than me than he should be starting' I guess there isn't one. We as a fan base have to accept that it's not changing.
^This is what I've been trying to say.
The O line is not blocking on the right side. The WRs are not gaining separation. The TEs are not involved in the passing game. Our supposed "tempo" offense was practically non-existant vs.Indiana, and looked like a joke vs. Oklahoma. So did our attempt at being a "throw first" offense.
We are The Ohio State University. We run the ball first, then we throw the ball if we need to.
Forget NFL-pedigree coaching and razzle-dazzle coaching resumes. Run the darn ball.
here here, onward and upward. Once more into the breach dear friends!!!
'getting back to the way they play football' ?? YIKES!! i hope not
I wish Billy Price would have JT Barrett's back, on the field.
Tire of reading comments from players who has been in the program as long as JT.
They are as bad as not opening their eyes as the coaches are.
Guess those comments about Haskins during bowl prep last year were just comments.
I think everyone is getting caught up in extremes. The conversation should not be about who starts, who is better, etc. The dialogue should be, if JT is not having a good game, why not put in one of the other QBs and see what they can do. JT's leadership IS invaluable, but he can still lead whether he is on the field or not.
I understand Price's loyalty to JT. I felt the same way when Cardale was starting over him. I always supported JT. Price can't speak for everyone on the team. Most members are not going to speak against a 5th year SR captain when the other 8 captains and the head coach are supporting him.
Most importantly.. Urban need to let Kevin Wilson run the offense.
This "enhanced" offense is the same as the old offense. An empty backfield on short yardage still means a QB run.. every... time...
This "enhanced" offense is the same as the old offense. An empty backfield on short yardage still means a QB run.. every... time...
Partially true. I've also seen obvious swing passes to the RB that the defense sees coming because we motion him out of the backfield first.
We all know JT is a prolific leader, I just wish he was a prolific passer.. Maybe one day (Fingers still crossed)
It's amazing to me as we continue to have actual experts from across college football telling us the obvious... Urbans offense is no longer innovative and people have caught up to it, that people are still like "nah, JT is trash." Okay, you all know more than people who study the game for a living.
Now, we are using JT wrongly. We should be a run first team with him. He is not a talented passer of the football like Haskins. Tom Herman knew that and was allowed to shape Urbans offense to JTs talents and that worked. The other coordinators don't seem to have had that freedom. It feels like Urban is stubborn on this needed change.
You win with people.
And so forth...
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Hitler is the most prolific leader in German history, doesn't mean they would want him leading them right now.... just saying.
As for his only other argument is breaking OSU records. We have never had a prolific offense like this in our program history, so no shit he would own any records. He also had some supreme talent to work with when he set a few of them. Career records in college mean you're good but not good enough to go pro.
I will pound and pound you until you quit
- Woody Hayes
2 games and off the deep end. we lost to Oklahoma not rutgers
It's not just 2 games. JT played horrible in the last 3 games of '16 as well. Mich ST, UM and Clemson. Our record very easily could've been 1-4 instead of 3-2. But hey, let's keep rolling with JT. There's nothing to worry about.
can always take your fandom and root for someone else
Is that the best you got or are you just lazy? Let me help you out in any case. Try not to get too upset over facts.
Last 3 games of '16
Mich St - 10-22, 86 YDS, 1 TD
UM - 15-32, 124 YDS, 1 INT
Clem - 19-33, 127 YDS, 2 INT
Lazy? The fact is its Ohio State football. Always going to win way more than will ever be lost and that applies to this QB that your crying about too. They are going to lose games that they some how don't look pretty enough to make people happy. Im just not going to act like a 2 year old over it..
"You’re talking about taking out the most prolific leader in Ohio State history. One of the best guys, one of the top 1A, 1B type names in Ohio State history," Price said. "Whether I think there should be a quarterback change? No. The kid’s put more records in the Ohio State record book than any other quarterback in the entire Ohio State program."
Spoiler - Ohio State isn't QBU. Not a ton of competition for those records...not to mention Woody's offense wasn't exactly meant for the QB to throw 4+ TDs a game.
What, are you trying to be an Irish R&B singer??
I too would defend JT as a great person and a beloved Buckeye. I would also continue to play him in mop up duty. However, a billion dollars industry needs to focus on winning and Haskins should start Saturday with JT mopping up later. Next cupcakes should be Haskins, Burrow, JT, then Martell. Yes all 4 because experience is essential and we will be up huge.
Changes should have already been made.
11W Sunday: "Mutiny in the locker room! The whole team hates JT, I just know it!"
11W Wednesday: "Eh, Price is just being loyal/can't say what he really believes."
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
Longevity often sets records. I guess Billy isn't watching the same game I am. For example. Austin Mack makes a great catch Saturday night.....but was open for three seconds and should have had the ball thrown inside for an easy touchdown. Baugh had passes broken up. He was sitting down with a safety ten yards off for three seconds before JT released, giving the safety time to recover. Victor was frustrated. Open time after time after time. Its not that JT is a bad QB. He has simply lost confidence. The "yips". Whatever you want to call it. Its been a sad decline. And the offense shouldn't always have to conform to its personnel. Sometimes if you have the right players, the personnel can conform to the offense.
I agree 100% me and a buddy was talking about him having this issue and from what I watched Last Saturday was a kid that is beat down and has no swag or get up in his system. I firmly believe if he is the true leader like they say he is then he should have a heart to heart with himself and Urban and say lets try this or that or go to a different QB to try things out.
Victor was frustrated. I too noticed his body language
Being a leader and producing are 2 different things, it's great that he is a leader, not great that he's not producing. Fans can say what the he'll they want to say especially when the pay outrageous prices like they had to pay Saturday, I heard face value was overb $200. That's just OSU being greedy, you better believe it's fans have a right to bitch. Everyone from the president, A.D. to Urban, their all greedy.
Funny how he calls him a great leader but not a great qb. You can be a great leader from the sidelines.
Yesterday I watched a 2014 highlight film on YouTube and I can say without a doubt that JT made quicker and more confident decisions throwing and running in 2014 and also was generally more accurate. He also ran with a purpose and he has lost a step and the ability to cut. Now I realize that this was a highlight real, so these were the best plays of the season (and it's not necessarily how I remember the season as there were some frustrating moments that year also).
Another point I want to make from watching the 2014 film is that this team is not the 2014 team. JT had all day to throw in 2014, the receivers were mostly wide open and even when they weren't they were catching everything. We don't have Michael Thomas, Devin Smith, Jalin Marshall and Jeff Huerman running routes and catching everything thrown there way, not to mention Devin Smith's uncanny ability to track the deep ball. It's the same offensive scheme, same plays, but not the same players. JT is absolutely part of the problem now, and frankly I don't believe that he can perform well without great protection and open receivers. That is why I would like to see other guys get reps in live game action (game on the line or not).
Fair points and an indictment of the coaching staff for failing to adjust to the new talent on the team. Find the strengths of the guys they recruited and build a plan around that. Calling the same set of plays that worked 3 years ago and that have now all been heavily dissected by opposing defenses isn't the answer. The offense needs to adapt or instead of "ask Bollman" it will become "ask Urban" on the Tecmo Bowl gif.
When I was 6 I was thinking about this rivalry. This one is seared on your soul, It's ingrained through every part of your body. -Urban Meyer
It's also an indictment of the players failing to execute plays. Look, I'm as frustrated as most with what we have seen in games against better than average to very good teams the last few years. JT left, JT right is nauseating. JT holding the ball, nauseating. But so is Prince getting taken to the wood shed and Parris Campbell and Terry McLaurin running half assed routes. I'm not saying that the coaching is not a problem, but we don't really know if it's the scheme or play calling because the players aren't executing. My point above was that I don't see the pass protection or routes improving, and therefore conclude that JT cannot be successful without those things being in place. He is too anxious in a collapsing pockets and does not throw well rolling out. Maybe Haskins can't either, but maybe he can see the window faster and get rid of the ball instead of hitching and locking on to his target.
Funny. Every time someone has something good to say about Jt after a loss, it's always some intangible like leadership. How many wins is JT's leadership worth? How many losses would we have without JT's leadership? These things can't be qualified so it's easy to praise JT about his leadership.
Amazing how one game can change the entire season... I went from thoroughly excited to numb and depressed! Oh well, this is college football as a Buckeye fan! The sun came up and my work deadlines slammed me hard in the face like Terry Tate so my Buckeye depression lasted a mere few days. Luckily I will be on an Alaskan cruise, without wi-fi, starting this afternoon and I will miss the Army game. Hopefully that will restart the engines and get the juice flowing again! Until then - it is what it is, and we've got who we've got slinging the ball - so let's not get too emotional about it either way!
The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced
"Once the paragon of offensive ingenuity, opponents see Ohio State as a step behind.“There’s not a lot of creativity,” said the coach. “He’s doing a lot of the same things he did at Utah. We thought it would be different [with Kevin Wilson], but it hasn’t been.”
THIS............^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^..............is why many fans are upset. It's not about a loss or a win, it's about putting your team in the best position to succeed, and that has not been happening.
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
I'm so tired of hearing about JT's leadership qualities- yeah, yeah, I get it. I understand leadership is something you want from a QB. We need a QB with solid mechanics and the confidence and skill to throw more than 15 yards....accurately. Hell, I didn't even see accuracy within 15 yards on Saturday! I guess I get that Urban's not going to bench JT at this point, but this is going to impede the development of Joe and Dwayne, in my opinion anyway. Why not split reps while we are in our cupcake part of the schedule as we are now? I guarantee the media is going to be fluffing up JT again after we hang 56 points on the board for each of the next 3 games, but it will all be a house of cards and we'll be exploited AGAIN when we go against PSU.
No obvious disclaimer here, of course, but I'm not the expert, and you don't see me standing on the sidelines during game day. I love this team and I love the coaches, but damn- it's been a pretty crappy run since the Clemson game kicked off!
On one side you have Losses (since and including Penn State followed by Clemson and Mayfield flag burying Oklahoma). On the opposite side of the scale is a great Buckeye and a loyal staff.
We're a fortunate place with high expectations. We have stopped getting it done and the base has noticed and commented. Being our best will take some important major changes. False hope over cupcakes will be seen as just that.
Yawn...new day, same worn out rhetoric. Should have dropped some E+R=O shit in there for good measure. Just want a QB who can throw the damn ball!
I don't think it is hard to see at all. This offensive s show has been stagnating for several years now. The problem is two fold in my
opinion. It is mostly Urban Meyer and his stale scheme. The other factor is of course a quarterback who's average talent and confidence has regressed by playing in the stale, easy to defense scheme for several years. Urban gets paid a ton, time to earn it by changing some things and letting Kevin Wilson coach!!
Center defends QB is not news. Center does not defend QB, now that would be news.
Wahoo! Wahoo! Rip, Zip, Bazoo! I Yell. I Yell. For O.S.U.
This is true. I am not a fan of JT, I never have been. But I would have zero respect if a current player publicly threw his QB under the bus.
We can complain and gripe. But it won't change much. So all we can do is try and enjoy the games. Win or lose, JT or no JT, this is still my team no matter what. If he's starting, the only choice you have is to support him.
Ross Fulton's analysis of the offense is free at BuckeyeGrove this week.
The first passing gif highlights many of the criticisms of JT. Both Campbell and Hill were open on crossing/mesh routes and JT's horribly innacurate throw (thrown behind Campbell) made it impossible for him to make the catch and get the first down. Additionally Mack was open on what looked like a curl route well past the first down marker but never got the ball.
I don't agree with everything in the following, but here is some more :
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
I'm a big fan of JT and everything he's done for the program. But I think the most exciting part about Haskins is he's not going to be the same scrambler that JT is, which will force Urban to stop running the QB so much going forward and actually utilize our stud running backs to the fullest.
Because I couldn't go for 3
who cares about indiv. record ..
win / loss is what matters. for JT.. against top competition, he has not performed past 2 years.. even in winning, he was horrific in some cases.
of course Price defends JT.. that's as expected and nice of Price.
JT has his limitations. He doesn't completely suck. He's perfectly capable of being an effective college QB. You have to accentuate the strengths and hide the weaknesses. I don't think the offensive gameplans we've seen have done a good job of that. JT still has to execute throws when they're there. And WRs gotta catch it when he puts it on the money.
Class of 2010.
The passing game shortcomings has now been blamed on 2 different OCs, 2 different QB coaches, Zack Smith, Stud, our wrs, our offense line, and Urban himself (I think we can all agree that Urban still very much involved with the offense). Isn't reasonable to point the finger directly at JT at this point. How much more time and proof do we need to realize that JT is not the answer. Former players, opposing coaches, and even recruits are starting to call JT out. C'mon man. It's not personal...JT's no doubt a good guy, but he is the biggest problem with our offense. Why do we literally have to blame everyone else for his obvious deficiencies?
Obviously Price shouldn't have said anything different, but count me as one who is sick of hearing about OSU QB stat records and "leadership" when the Buckeye offense can't move the ball against any team with a pulse
Barrett has low sideline energy.
Where is this leadership in big games yes he can be a rah rah guy when you run it up against Rutgers but in Big games he is in a zone of ZERO confidence. He can't get it done because teams make it so he is the one that has to beat them and HE CAN"T DO IT. Plus at else is Billy Price supposed to say about? He take is so bias it should not even be considered in the argument.