Urban Meyer Says "Opportunity Has Not Presented" for Ohio State to Play Backup Quarterbacks

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nikolajz1's picture

Man the QB development on this team must suck if JT is the best a team like OSU can offer. Even Alabama somehow has a better spread QB than Urban. I feel like we've completely wiffed on coaching hires post-title. Urban needs to go with young guys like Ash and Herman again who have something to prove/ are innovative instead of washed up coaches like Wilson, Beck, and Schianno. 

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Urbanologist's picture

And Bama just started running it a few years back.

Theire is only one truth...

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nikolajz1's picture

Saban seems way more flexible in his coaching than Urban, plus he benches/fires people like Kiffin who don't perform.

Urban is too loyal and too insistent in making Braxton/JT/Cardale the next Tebow to recreate his Florida magic. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Nope, wrong again.  He pushed out the OC and qb coach from last year.

Not sure you have your finger on the pulse there Sparky.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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nikolajz1's picture

Yeah a year later than he should have. The 2015 team was probably one of the most talented in CFB history yet we couldnt even win the conference. Saban would have made big changes if he couldnt win a title with Zeke, Thomas, Bosa, Bell, McMillan, etc. highlighting the team.

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DefendYoungstown's picture

The difference is Saban just flat our can's somebody, Urban has a presser then talks about both parties agreeing to part ways or somebody takes a new job.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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Eph97's picture

Saban wouldn't hire rejects like Bill Davis or Zach Smith in the first place just because he's friends with them.

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Shawnbuck927's picture

Saban getting rid of Kiffin a week before the title game didn't prove to be the greatest decision though, as they went on to lose with Sarkisian in charge for that game .

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Grisle's picture

They won that game. An illegal pick play with 2 seconds left on the clock says otherwise in the record books, but they won that game.

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cricejr's picture

Really?????  REALLY?????? So I guess Miami was right, they won the championship and a PI call and the record book says otherwise but Miami won that game?  That's what you're gonna go with?  I'm losing more and more respect for some buckeye fans every single second of this day. 

I bleed scarlet...literally

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Knite's picture

Do not agree that Saban is better, but I do cry BS on this one. Meyer had great  times to play the backups, his loyalty to JT is honorable, but he should of sent in another to maybe get a spark going. Love JT but ehhhhhh, tired of watching his over throwing, under throwing and way off the mark tosses. He has had 4 years, 5 if you count the redshirt year, to get it right. Though I do not place all the blame on JT, nut a lot of it is. Still think Beck is the main reason JT is so bad at throwing, even after he is gone, the habits are still there.

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Chicago Connection's picture

I know what you mean by "loyal," of course, but I hate that reference because I have to ask about Meyer's loyalty to his other 3 QBs? Or the rest of his team? Or what about his fans and the taxpayers of Ohio?

Heck, I just wish he were loyal to his reputation, or... whoops! Maybe that's the problem. He basically chased himself out of town in Gainsville owing to the fact that was loyal and indulgent of his pet players to a fault, which everyone could see, and it killed team morale, which lead to his departure (after finally recognizing the monster he created).

I don't know about you, boys, but it's beginning to smell a lot like Florida in 2010. I guess we'll see if Urban has really learned all of those lessons that he claimed to learn with the Gators, which I think had far less to do with his health and the pressure he put on himself vs. knowing he had over-indulged certain players.

Kudos to him for being disciplined enough to avoid that trap at Ohio State... until now. I hope he wakes up soon, because this stuff happens virtually overnight, and Florida still hasn't recovered from the mess that he left behind, even as the "good Urban" left behind two National Championship trophies (we've only got one).

chicagobuckeye

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45has2's picture

Uh, Kiffin performed just fine. He brought Bama's offense into the 21st century. Nicky fired him because they had personality clashes. Just as you better be a devout Christian, or at least act like one, if you want to work for Urb. 

Censores irrumasti.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Even Alabama somehow has a better spread QB than Urban.

I hate to admit it, but that's because they have a better coach.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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fear_the_nut70's picture

That's going to get a negative vote.  Schianno ran one of the best defenses in CFB last year.  Wilson's success at Indiana and OU is well documented.

You earned that negative vote there young Buck.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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43202iuka's picture

Oh my god !!!!  Really a negative vote ?!?!  Please sir don't please don't give a negative vote. 

I mean Thank God we have you to console us in your up to the minute breaking OSU news.

you earned this feedback here young buck..  (See what I did here)

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I do see what you did here, you embarrassed yourself.  The comment above is incredibly stupid and deserved the derision it got.

I prefer a public flogging or 24 hours in a public stockade, but sadly, a negative vote is all that is permitted.

(by and by, your attempt at sarcasm is almost as weak as your ability to reason and comment constructively.  Lots to work on here...)

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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43202iuka's picture

I know right.   Me calling you out for trolling another 11 warrior.  And yes I'm so embarrassed,  you got me tough guy,  Just please no negative comments or 24 hour floggings......lol 

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tcm1968's picture

It helps when you have an actual WR running routes and not converted RBs. You think JT, Dwayne, Tate or Joe would look better with Calvin Ridley out there catching passes? Of course they would. 

Last year they had Calvin Ridley and ArDarius Stewart running routes.  Our actual WRs aren't close to being in the same class as those guys. Maybe one of them will blossom at some point but a guy like McLaurin has been in our system 3 years now and looks completely lost out there. 

Has JT been good? Absolutely not but Urban is smart enough to know it's WAY MORE than just poor QB play. 

Look at McLaurin... people keep saying "throw the WR open".. the dude is running 3/4 speed and NEVER gets out of his route or turns his head. You CAN NOT throw to someone running those types of bad routes.. You can make dozens of GIFs like this for our WRs.

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Knarcisi's picture

And watch the guy covering Campbell. He knew exactly where he was going. From his own lazy ass route. 

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teddyballgame's picture

That's what I was thinking...why does it look like the defenders barely have to move? our receivers run towards them!!

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boostinbob's picture

what in the fuck kind of route was that?

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Eph97's picture

thank Zach Smith for that

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krakatoa64's picture

the reason mclaurin even plays is because of his blocking. thats urban's philosophy. dont blame smith because urban values blocking over playmaking 

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Danimal's picture

The thing that worries me is the cb defending campell knew exactly which route was being run.

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andretolstoy's picture

THANK YOU

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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andretolstoy's picture

Maybe the same guy who taught them.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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LawClub's picture

Actually, Zach's route was much better.

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Etenim's picture

All McLaurin has to do is juke hard to the inside and cut HARD to the flag. He'd be wide open. pic.twitter.com/5NnpwzZ4gB
— Todd Harshman (@Ignats75) September 11, 2017

With respect, it's entirely possible Campbell was the primary read in that route tree, and that McLaurin's job was to clear the area so that only one defender was there to defend Campbell. If that's the case, then a great juke move by McLaurin actually leaves the defender in the area Campbell is running to. It's quite possible McLaurin did his job to perfection with that route.

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tcm1968's picture

Agree to disagree. Played WR/TE in High School, College and a BRIEF stint in semi-pro. Let's say that's the case and his job is to clear the DB out of the area. Two problems. The first is obvious. He isn't running full speed. His job should be to clear the DB to the left of the goal post leaving Campbell in a beat your man and you score because no one is in the area. This is one of the fastest players on the team. No play would be drawn up like that. He goes 3/4 speed and then lets the DB impede his way. BAD route running. Second any good OC or WR coach ALWAYS has a back-up. Regardless if Campbell is the primary read ( don't get me started on that rounded off lazy route that allows the DB to come through him) you always have a second and third options in any route tree. McLaurin never gets his head around. He is never an option on that play and no OC would ever draw up a play like that. What if Campbell slips at the line? or they double him? or he runs the wrong route? THERE IS ALWAYS a second and third option.  You really think Wilson and Urban drew up a play with only one person looking for the ball on the right side of the field? ZERO CHANCE.

There's just nothing good about the route running on that play. And again can post dozens of examples like this from the first two games. Either the wrong coaching going on or the wrong players or a combination of the two. The worrisome part is there continues to be no repercussions. If I ran a route like McLaurin did in that video I'd be running laps and riding the bench. Makes me terrified at the depth behind them if these are the best guys..

EVERY freaking play the DB covering you should think the ball is coming to you. Our guys just don't do that at all. You can make a highlight tape of them barely getting off the line on obvious running plays..

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SEQUOIA473's picture

Well stated and completely agree ONE MILLION % It's absurd the way they're running and it is both the wrong players at the position and coaching. How someone could be in this system for so many years and not improve is unbelievable. My buddy is a VT fan and they got James Clark through transfer and he's been catching passes consistently for them as well as reverses. To think he was on an OSU roster and not utilized the way VT is using him is frustrating. Why would recruits want to come to OSU when they see this kind of play? 

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CincyOSU's picture

My buddy is a VT fan and they got James Clark through transfer and he's been catching passes consistently for them as well as reverses.

James Clark has 2 touches for 11 yards. Not sure what your friend is talking about. 

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SEQUOIA473's picture

So he does. He is still a top 5 receiver with a program who has a young QB who has thrown for as many yards as Barrett has. He will have more yards at the end of the year than higher touted kids that currently play for the good guys. Just look at the yard difference and how many times we're targeting the H compared to everyone else. They did the SAME crap last year with Samuel and defenses know it's coming. The problem is Campbell has not shown to be reliable in his receiving abilities and the above video provided shows he can't even run crisp and correct routes to help out his QB who is struggling. 

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Symbolic47's picture

James Clark has exactly one catch and carry this season for VT. So you're either misinformed, or making stuff up to fit your correct narrative. 

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SantaBarbaraBuck's picture

Truer words have never been spoken...

"Man I wish everyone stop saying I beat a kid in the hospital 91-35.... It was 98-35, had 91 with 1:26 left in the 4th"
- Cardale Jones

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Etenim's picture

I respect your background and everything you wrote in support of the case you've made.

It's funny that some questions you ask, or which are implied, whose answers should be obvious and should actually buttress your reasoning, actually give me pause, as the passing game is in its third season of being broken, and I can't say the common sense behind coaches' reasoning in the pass game is actually there. So when you say "no play would be drawn up like that" and "no OC would ever draw up a play like that" - well, sadly, with this offense I just don't know that to be the case. When you ask would Wilson and Urban draw up a play "with only one person looking for the ball on the right side of the field?" - well, the answer should be obvious, but the passing game has been broken for so long...I just don't know.

I'm just not convinced that McLaurin went at that speed, and with next to no evasiveness in his route, and never looked back until after the time he expected the pass to be completed, because that was his idea of executing his assignment. I'm just not able to rule that out. Looking at the video clip you added, it's interesting to note that Campbell's route actually veered left toward the underneath route defender - as if it were a pick - before he then continued the route and broke to the right. I'd guess that the underneath route - which was open, and Campbell's route were the first two options - and that again, McLaurin never expected to be an option in that route tree at that moment.

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SEQUOIA473's picture

Both ran trash routes. Reminds me of those that slammed Ginn Jr. who somehow thought his speed would mask lazy route running and it caught up with him when they played a team like Texas, whose Corners and Safeties ragged him before the game and proved themselves correct. These converted RB's playing receiver on this team are all running the same rounded off lazy routes that an average player will eat up. It's absolutely bizarre.

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Madaris32's picture

Also, what are the coaches correcting? Isn't Campbell the same guy who dropped a wide open td pass against VT in 2015? He dropped two passes against Indiana, and he's still freaking starting. The backups have to be frustrated to think that the starters are terrible, but yet they continue to get rewarded for mistakes. Why is this coaching staff so hell bent on making personnel changes is beyond me. Also, stop trying to convert rb's to wr's. I don't think our coaching staff understands offense. Hence the Tight End never gets a pass or is ever featured in our offense. There's so many ways to carve a defense and we're running a pop warner football offense. Amazing.

Ivan Madaris

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colo_buckeye's picture

Man, I remember watching this during the game thinking what the heck?  The defense 100% knew not only what Cambell was going to do, but the db on McLaurin seemed to know also.  Hard to watch.

God > Family > Buckeyes football

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McGrind's picture

DROPS MIKE...Every buckeye fan needs to watch this play multiple times...1) mclaurin jogging and runs into the db who has already sniffed out the route 2) Paris rounds off his cut making it easy for the db to close ground. 3) throw is late..any chance to complete it is gone..throw is a little behind him, but probably doesn't matter.  4) looks like the under route is open..but jt locks on paris

A litany of errors here with blame to spread around. 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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Cincity Buck's picture

The under route was definitely there. Now if it's 3rd and long I agree with going more downfield, but come on guys. Pathetic routes. 

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Folks have moved on from McLaurin/Campbell, that's there prerogative.  I'd welcome the film study (and analysis) on the young WRs play.  I mean it was said they were the end all be all  to Zone 6 ills.

I've equally seen issues with Mack/Victor play, but I'm not wasting my time to create a thesis or finding film to post to a fan board.

IF if if, if a bullfrog had wings, it's said he wouldn't bump his........if we had a THROWING QB, our offense would be better! 

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McGrind's picture

Was a WR..and was a big doubter of the 'nobody can get open' narrative. Like Bigfoot, I said I believe it when I saw it...I saw it. Don't need to break down every play...this single video speaks volumes to the inability to have a real passing game. 

Been a long time since I laced them up...but outside of playing in the street, I have never seen a route that looks like Paris is circling a Buick. 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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Cincity Buck's picture

Pathetic route by Campbell.  Can't see exactly what the middle looks like there but it appears to be wide open if he cuts left. And the DB on McClaurin is giving him the corner post. 

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Folks are funny, reduced to digging around on the Internet for random opinions to support their narrative.

Whoever the guy is, what level of ball has he played, coached, does he know the play call, the Route, anything beside his armchair opinion?

If it was easy, everybody would be doing it; but they're not.  So again, pundits writes, players play, Coaches coach and we fans piss and moan.

Just as has been done for some time, the stale narrative about separation is told and film is found to support it.

Well, there's plenty of film showing that the QB is inaccurate and can't throw it deep successfully, and is hitching and hawing and too late throwing the ball.  Where's the film on that?  Exactly!

JT is holding the darn ball too long, he doesn't trust himself, let alone his Receivers.  He spent ALL Summer in a workout group with Campbell/Victor and his chemistry is no better with them then it is with anyone else.

Folks were just railing on Mack/Victor just last week! Lol!

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TLB's picture

So tired of this arguement.  The WR's have to go to a spot and sit down, then wait to see if JT is gonna throw it. Never does he throw before they come out of a cut.

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buckeye92's picture

THIS^....this drives me crazy.
 

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Uprooted's picture

That is an excellent point Tom. You could see it while watching the game. These WRs just don't seem to have any fire in them. 

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Oakland Buckeye's picture

Wow - that may be the worst route in the history of route running....

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Etenim's picture

Urban needs to go with young guys like Ash and Herman again who have something to prove/ are innovative instead of washed up coaches like Wilson, Beck, and Schianno.

If "innovative" is what you're looking for I highly urge you to do some quick research on Wilson - you're missing a tremendous story there. It's why the performance of the offense thus far makes it so clear that Urban Meyer is the issue - NOT Wilson, and in retrospect, perhaps we went way too far in criticizing Warinner and Beck, as it appears they too were hamstrung by having to call plays from Urban's offense. Urban Meyer is the issue.

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buckeye-bengal's picture

Finally people see this, I argued this earlier this year and kept getting downvoted into oblivion for it.  I have said I never thought it was Beck.  Beck was supposed to coach QBs.  You should blame him for no progression from JT but not the offense.  I thought it might have been Ed.  Now I think it is Meyer and his man crush on JT.

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oldeye's picture

and he does not believe the other quarterbacks are as "game ready" as Barrett is now.

It's good to know our backups aren't game ready. At least I'll know what to expect if JT is injured.

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

Does alabama have a better qb? Hurts was 7of 14 for 57 yards against washington, 13 of 31 for 131 yards against clemson, and 10 of 18 for 96 yards against fsu. He averaged roughly 15 carries and 55 yards rushing in those 3 games.  I dont think that would indicate he's better.

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LawClub's picture

We don't need no stinkin facts.
 

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Turban Meyer's picture

Alabama is a power run team who executes and sticks to their game plan for the most part. 

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miamibuck's picture

Well there aren't exactly a bunch of Tom Hermans just sitting around waiting for a job. I think Kevin Wilson is a pretty damn good coach. Offensive problems look the exact same as they have the last 2 years...who is the common denominator? Urban needs to take his hands off and let Wilson run the O (play calling). I think its pretty obvious that receivers create very little separation AND Jt is not gonna cut it in the passing game. 

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LouBuck35's picture

Unless JT goes out and pulls an Andy Dalton over the next few games, the other dudes aren't taking over as the primary QB.  NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN.  Whether your agree or not, he just isn't going to pull the plug on the JT Experience.  Being #madonline isn't going to change it either.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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chris's picture

Well maybe if we're mad enough online it can change the world!

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Tidus Powell's picture

Correct. And that's why I'm making jokes online. Because this whole situation was stupid before, when folks were talking about QB W/L record like that's a good way of evaluating QBs, and now it's *reaaallly* dumb, all the way down from coach to OC to QB to receiver to line to reporter to writer to commenter. The OU game didn't show us anything new! This was the Barrett that was there before! Nothing changed! If our secondary played better and we beat them 13-10, the meanest of JT's detractors would be defending him! This is all so dumb!

Good news is that OSU's well-aged tradition of the passing game being •garbage• is upheld. JT wasn't good when y'all were optimistic on Friday. He hasn't changed. Just imagine it's Friday. Shouldn't be that hard.

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buckeye92's picture

Exactly, this is the 3rd year in a row for this garbage. Heck, look at the last 5 games as perfect examples.

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RUNTOWIN's picture

Those other guys aren't playing unless JT goes down or OSU is up by 40.

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Tyvis'sGrandpa's picture

I would never wish injury on someone, but - man - wouldn't it be nice if JT had something minor (stubbed finger, light sprain to throwing hand) for a game and Haskins at least had the CHANCE to prove he can complete a 15-yard pass with the 1s?

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LouBuck35's picture

You would never wish injury, but you basically do.  Garbage.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I thought the Schianno and Wilson washed up comment above would be the dumbest one in this thread.  I stand corrected.

I am as frustrated as anyone today and am happy to talk qb change or other changes, but stuff like this really leaves me disappointed with a portion of our fan base.  SMDH.  If this is what you are going to post, please consider not posting any more.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Tyvis'sGrandpa's picture

I don't want him harmed! I just want a chance for Haskins to play and this seems like the only realistic scenario. Can you think of another way Haskins gets a true chance to play (aka not mop-up duty)?

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Dude, you wished injury on our starting qb because you think you know who should be starting.  Either acknowledge that was idiotic and apologize for letting your frustration get the better of you or put yourself in time out for the rest of the day. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

I want to see him in mop-up duty before I see him in non-mop-up duty. 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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GoDamnBucks's picture

I don't have the ability to down vote, but you're an ass.

My Blood runs Scarlett and Grey

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

I won't edit, nor delete your comment, Tyvis. But it's unbecoming of a true Buckeye fan.

May you live in interesting times.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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wilkins0802's picture

Truth & Courage, 1-17IN, 5/2 SBCT

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

I put a warning in the forum last night about this trash it's been running rampant other places you take that shit elsewhere.

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Tidus Powell's picture

Gotta call 8-1-1 before digging that hole any deeper.

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RodeyBuck's picture

Oh hell no.  You've come the closest to me giving my first down vote.  My finger is on the trigger.  No to everything you said. 

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dokocha0216's picture

you trash, b 

get off the computer

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King Simba's picture

or OSU is up by 40.

OSU is not scoring 40 with JT throwing the ball. I'm sorry, it's just not happening.

Haskins Era

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Trebor40's picture

I want a new QB to start for tOSU yet you do realize we ALREADY scored more than 40 on the road at night verses an incredibly motivated team!

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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King Simba's picture

Thanks to Campbell and Dixon

Haskins Era

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Did they throw the ball to themselves?  Did they also block for themselves?

It's a team game.  This is getting ignorant, gonna need to take a break for at least the rest of the day.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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CincyOSU's picture

Thanks to Campbell and Dixon

Now you're just being stupid.

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King Simba's picture

No need for name calling

Haskins Era

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CincyOSU's picture

It's not name calling, it was just a stupid comment. It's entirely acceptable to criticize Barrett for his play so far this year, but that comment is just as bad as those who are still making excuses for his poor play.

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TigerSweat's picture

Sadly, I believe you

Although, I'm that OSU could score 40+ by utilizing JK and Weber correctly

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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King Simba's picture

I'm with you, I do think Dobbins and Weber could score 40 if utilized right. 

Haskins Era

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TigerSweat's picture

Sadly, I believe you

Although, I'm that OSU could score 40+ by utilizing JK and Weber correctly

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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kyo's picture

Common theme, but Appeal to Ignorance. Just change your name to that

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Symbolic47's picture

Im as pro -NEXT QB PLEASE as anyone, but they scored over 40 a week ago. Just saying

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NeemOSU's picture

Man I've seen you in these threads doing nothing but bashing JT. It's the same thing every time. They scored 49 in the first game of the season. We all know by know how bad you want Haskins, but if the kid was this good, why hasn't he forced an opportunity? Might time to be quiet and just root for the team to win.

"Go out there, make plays, they'll remember your name forever. FOREVER!" - J.T. Barrett

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Allow me to beat the dead horse and say again, this is why an open competition during spring and fall camp would have benefited all the QBs greatly.  It would've given JT the chance to go out and prove that he was indeed the guy, and it would've given Burrow and Haskins chances to practice with the 1's more, and scrimmage against the 1's more, and given the staff a chance to see how they look against top level competition.

I apologize for kicking the dead horse in the groin after it's been dead for a minute, but not letting Day and Wilson evaluate all the QBs on the same level and choose the best one, to me, was the undoing of the passing game this year.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Brutus865's picture

Who's responsible for developing QB's, and why aren't they more prepared when they've been here 2 to 3 years already?

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buckeye92's picture

They are ready. Urban isn't ready to let go of JT.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Yeah, this random internet poster knows. 

Jesus.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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TigerSweat's picture

They both look ready to me

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Brutus865's picture

Can you throw the forward pass? Any eligibility? Bring your cleats to the Woody at 6 am tomorrow morning!

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kyo's picture

I used to throw the forward pass very well, and technically still have 2 years of eligibility left, but I still believe JT is the man for the job. He can do it and I think we will look back to this point and realize the reactions after a loss were premature.

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Urbanologist's picture

Let's face it, it was easy for JT to look competent against our DB's and safeties in practice. 

Theire is only one truth...

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CPBuckeye's picture

Conversely, maybe it was easy for our DBs to look competent against JT in practice. Either way there's too much talent on this team to perform the way they have.

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andretolstoy's picture

In the meantime, our WRs look like DBs and the opposing DBs look like WRs while running our routes.

But let's still continue to talk about the QB situation ...

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

The fan go to move is : a) put in the back up qb; b) fire [insert name] coach.  Fans are always looking for a quick fix.

We are 130th in FBS football in passing yards allowed, have some issues on the right side of the line, and it still appears that no receiver has made substantial progress again.  But let's ignore those things and just talk about the qb.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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chris's picture

So your big stance is that we just suck and should deal with it?

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andretolstoy's picture

No, my big stance is understanding the game of football.

Run the damn ball with your Five Star RBs and build up to the pass. Don't just force passes over and over again, thinking you're not going to get recognized or that it's just going to happen.

Last year my favorite fan saying was JT's regression.  This year so far, is JT should throw the receivers open. You guys are amazing!

I developed a drinking problem this weekend. Not because of the play as much as how utterly unscrupulous our fan base is. And we're supposed to be Ohioans and know the damn game.

It's football. There's really no pixie dust, no fairies, no Urban Meyer myth. He didn't invent the game and none of the PR video gimmicky stuff he has is ever going to change the fact that in football, if you have great RBs, you run the great RBs to set the tone of the game.

The guy who said the QB creates the rhythm is dead wrong. The running game creates the rhythm. He just hands them the ball until things open up for him to bomb you.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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TigerSweat's picture

True. Although, having a competent passer would help too (just a little)

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andretolstoy's picture

We have MORE than a competent passer.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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RedQueenRace's picture

Run the damn ball with your Five Star RBs and build up to the pass.

That works until you get to the MSUs, PSUs and Michigans who bring extra defenders into the box and/or run blitz right from the 1st snap and dare you to beat them with any kind of throw.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Where did I say that?  Have agreed with alot of the comments in other threads like utilizing more power running, not using these ridiculous player rotations, giving Wilson more control over the offense, etc.  Even if you didn't see other posts, your conclusion doesn't follow from what I said at all.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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andretolstoy's picture

The point is look at Cardale. EVERYONE focuses on Cardale as if he masterminded the NC win. It wasn't Cardale. Our offense was based solely on Zeke. He was the one that opened up the pass and the entire game.

Now grant it. We actually had receivers who could get open and actually turn their bodies toward the QB to catch the bomb. (Spense), and we had a great one in Thomas who exploited the guts of the field - but ONLY after teams had to adjust to Zeke. And we didn't have this concept prior to VA Tech. We got it after VA Tech.

Cardale may have had a stronger arm than JT. But he wasn't throwing receivers open, he was just throwing balls up for grabs and the were being caught by high jumpers.

Heck. He kept Oregon in the game with his fumbles. But then again. It was our Running Game. And of course Defense.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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andretolstoy's picture

#FireFickell

We are 130th in FBS football in passing yards allowed, have some issues on the right side of the line, and it still appears that no receiver has made substantial progress again.  But let's ignore those things and just talk about the qb.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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LB U's picture

We could have Randy Moss running routes and JT would still hold on to the ball to long, get happy feet in the pocket, and use his sub 60% completion percentage to flutter duck the football into the ground 3 yards off target.. We changed the QB coach and OC to benefit JT, and he still fails miserabley. At what point do we stop firing coaches and play different players.

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andretolstoy's picture

Nope. Because Moss would actually be getting open genius.

How many bombs have we thrown this year? (Two games). How many of those hit the receiver square in the damn hands and he dropped it?

Think before you echo in the box.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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LB U's picture

One deep pass has hit a receiver in the hands. One.. Thats it. How many open receivers has JT misfired on? Yeah.. I've lost count to. Basically if a receiver doesn't have 5 yards of separation he has no chance of hitting him. He also has no ability whatsoever to throw anyone open.. which is kind of part of being a QB. So yeah, think before you echo in the box.

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CincyOSU's picture

I'm done defending Barret, but McClaurin dropped a deep ball that should have been caught as well, not to mention he did make a few throws that weren't great, but at least gave the WR a chance. 

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Mississippi_buck's picture

Andre you act like you know so much more then everyone else about football. Yeah its so basic in football that the run sets up the pass because thats what they do in the NFL huh? No running backs are almost nonexistent in the NFL. BC they depend on elite qb play. Now I know its harder in college to find an elite qb but you bringing up Elliott is basically irrelevant he was a once in a generation type running back and forced teams to respect him we can do that against most teams but that won't work against elite defenses. Our talent around jt masked his short comings back then. Now he's the "veteran" its his turn to help the receivers come along but he can't do it. Now I understand and agree we need to run more and stuff it down the opponents throat but when u play the elite teams that one dimensional offense will quickly be shut down. What then? What if the run isn't working for some reason? Then your theory ends n we fall face first. We need at least a somewhat accurate qb that safety's have to at least worry about beating them. These teams are feasting on our passing ability even talking publicly about it. Your theory would work against most teams but we expect titles at Ohio state not almost.

If if was a fifth we'd all be drunk

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andretolstoy's picture

Was our NC Team in 2014 one dimensional?

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Grisle's picture

Two, there was also the Mack catch that bailed JT out so I guess you call it even at 1. After watching his terrible mechanics and poor throws the last 3 years you are still defending him? Some people need to trust what their eyes see, our HC included. 

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Chicago Connection's picture

Good point, LB, which leads me to the criticisms of Meyer's playbook. I, for one, think there's some problems there, as well as too much inflexibility, which is a growing theme in general. But then, I have to pose the following thought experiment to myself, or you, or anybody else who cares to answer it, namely...

If Barrett were playing in USC's offense or Clemson's offense or ANYBODY's offense (other than, say, Army's offense), do I really think he'd look like a different and better quarterback who's producing satisfactory results?

When I put it that way, actually, I think Barrett would only look worse is most defenses. In other words, this is as good as it gets for Barrett, which is not so good for anybody else, that is, except for opposing teams, or maybe flag makers, who might sell more products or see them advertised mid-field at the Shoe.

chicagobuckeye

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

If we can control the ball and dominant time of possession the defense looks a whole lot better I know it's just a smoke screen but have some faith the defense (secondary) will improve,lot of new body's on that side.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Andre, no disrespect, but TRUTHFULLY, PRIOR to Sat's debacle, we've talked AD NASUEM about everything but the QB.

On this site, there's been repetitive stories and regurgitated stale narratives about separation separation separation, along with loud calls to play the young WRs.  Online struggles, primarily Prince have been discussed too.

When folks expressed concern ABOUT JT's limitation before the Season, they were labeled haters and had his many stats, accolades and awards repeated to you over and over,!as if that was the end all be all!

NOW that some of those concerns have bore themselves out. Well this is where we are.  

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DrSpaceman's picture

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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Michael_Bluth's picture

At this point I'm hoping our offense gets embarrassed by teams like Army or UNLV because it seems like that's what it's going to take to make a change. Even then I'm not sure a change would happen. 

Unfortunately, what will likely happen is we destroy some really bad defenses (as always with this offense) only to be exposed again later in the year. A wasted season it will be 

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nikolajz1's picture

The stretch of games where we play Maryland, Nebraska, Penn State, Iowa. and Michigan State has the potential to be a scary stretch where we lose 2+ games. Can't sleep on Maryland, playing at Nebraska and Iowa at night is gonna be incredibly tough, Penn State has the best QB in the B1G, and Dantonio has played Urban close every single game in his tenure here. 

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BuckeyeDevil's picture

I agree with you. That is a scary stretch of games and we haven't even mentioned UM in the conversation. I especially don't like the Iowa and Nebraska games at night. I asked the question when the schedule came out. How do we draw Iowa and Nebraska on the road at night?

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Wrong. If you want Haskins/Burrow to play and you pay attention to what Meyer said, we need the Buckeyes to get a big early lead against Army, UNLV, Rutgers, etc., so that Haskins/Burrow can get a lot of reps in those games. If either or both of those guys demonstrate consistency while showing flashes of brilliance, they will get to play more as the season goes on . . . unless JT also makes big strides at the same time.

Worst case scenario is that it takes 3 quarters to put away Army and UNLV and Haskins/Burrow don't get good looks.      

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Exactly this.  Basic reading comprehension.

Fans can't grasp the possibility that Haskins just ain't ready or that JT really beat them out.  It's possible folks...

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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TigerSweat's picture

It's certainly possible, just not probable

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LB U's picture

Its also possible that Urban is just stubborn and doesn't want to change.

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Tidus Powell's picture

Part of the reason that we tend to be kind of dim is that you lose brain cells when writers beat you over the head with a silver football for eight months. Or, y'know, something like that.

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Trebor40's picture

The challenging issue with this is JT is likely to have had an exceptional game for this to occur.

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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BucksHave7's picture

Hasnt presented itself yet?????  

Great recruit..Can Dwayne Haskins not throw the ball 40 yards down field? 

BucksHave7

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I didn't have a chance earlier to watch the video of Meyer's comments. So thanks, Dan for providing a partial transcript. Now that I've read this partial transcript, it's become even clearer how off-the-rails some of the 11W commentariat has become after Saturday's bad night . . .

Because if we pay close attention to what Meyer said, instead of going off-the-rails, Meyer is preparing to replace JT with either Haskins or Burrow in the event that JT does not improve in the coming weeks:

Meyer acknowledges that Barrett has "got to play better" . . .

. . . "The term 'game ready' is used quite often around here. That is Dwayne being ready to help us go win a game. And if we feel he is, then he’ll go in the game," Meyer said. "We’re hoping he continues to grow up and get some game experience, and evaluate it there."  

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topgun67's picture

dude. JT has had 4 years to improve... not 1 game.

not 1 month

not 5 games

not 1 season

not 2 season

not 3 season

4!!

enough 

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King Simba's picture

There's no improving for a 5th year QB. He is what he is and it's a shame we're stuck with it. 

Haskins Era

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buckeye-bengal's picture

Meyer basically admitted he has no plans to replace JT except injury. He said he hasn't seen a game situation yet to get Haskins experience. What about up by 14 or 21 at IU in the 4th? JT should have been pulled to get Haskins experience. Instead he was leaving JT in so there was no controversy if Haskins lit it up. JT played the entire game against BGSU last year. Why? They wanted to see him connect big plays with WRs up 70. Didn't happen. Meyer will keep doing it to justify his mistake instead of admitting it and replacing JT.

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45has2's picture

Hip hip hooray. Meyer said the exact same thing last year, replaced the QB coach, replaced the OC, and here we are again with the same QB that "has to improve". 

Censores irrumasti.

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topgun67's picture

of course, a hypocrite coaching the team results in keeping an underperforming Qb over unproven youngsters. 

w/ next 4 games or so, this is the time to try new things w/ new personnel.  i sure hope we do try new personnel. 

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mr.green's picture

JT did not have a good night, but the play calling in the red zone was terrible. Please run your RB's coach. If those three FG s were TDs we still would have lost but the score would be respectable and the fan base would not be screaming to get a new QB. 

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Hovenaut's picture

Hope we get the opportunity to see backup(s) this coming Saturday.

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buckeye-bengal's picture

Keep dreaming. Why was JT playing against BGSU last year when we won by 70? Keeping QB controversy away. Meyer will do the same.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

I'm pretty sure Burrow played the entire fourth quarter of the BGSU game. 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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King Simba's picture

So once we lose to PSU, Sparty or scUM i'm guessing we'll finally see a change? 

Haskins Era

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

I don't think so.  I think this ship goes down with Barrett at the helm.  If that's what it takes for Meyer to give Wilson full control of the playbook, then so be it.

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BuckeyeGuy33's picture

even after Barrett completed just 10 of his first 21 passes for 84 yards in the Buckeyes’ 31-16 loss to Oklahoma on Sunday.

Please do not drag this loss out to an additional day 

F#@k 'em, Run 'em over! - Woody on tTUN

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Codeezy's picture

Ok, JT gives us a better chance to win these games? But if we are outmatched and not gelling as a team, at what point do you play the guys that give you the best chance to win in the future instead of right now?

How long has that van been there?

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fear_the_nut70's picture

After one loss you want to go into rebuilding mode?  Overreact much?  Oklahoma has the most consecutive wins in FBS football, is a reigning P5 conference champ, and is a legit top 10 team. 

I am frustrated too, but can we not do the sky is falling routine?

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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TigerSweat's picture

Not rebuilding mode... Just replacing mode, as in maybe the QB, at least 1 cb and one safety

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MaxPowerBucknut's picture

That depends on what you're expecting for this team. Like it or not, the expectations at OSU are competing for national championships on a regular basis. This isn't Iowa or Northwestern we are talking about here. It's fucking Ohio State. 

OSU got eviscerated by a team with a first year coach who also lost their top 2 RBs and WR from last year and who were then without their stud TE for most of the game. 

How in the world do you see this current version of Ohio State competing for a championship this year?  I'd bet my house they won't. So let's play for next year by giving Haskins and Burrow the chance to learn this year when it doesn't really matter instead of next year and give it a run next year. 

And honestly, I can't see a way this team could be that much worse with Haskins or Burrow at QB. Barrett has had plenty ornate chances to prove he said the guy and in 3 + years all we have is MSU 2014. 

OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!

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Bamabucknut's picture

What must a recruit think about getting some playing time,when they see a failing player NOT being replaced because because  ?

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

While he's still in HS, and has no bearing on the CURRENT SITUATION, I don't consider it a given that Emory Jone stays with his commitment.

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saintstephen11's picture

Agreed. If I was a betting man, I'd bet Emory Jones decommits. You will also see others jump ship when we lose 3-4 games this year. JT isn't the only reason, but he is a big reason. The biggest reason is UFM's antiquated playbook. The measuring stick will be looking at what Wilson did offensively with 2 & 3* recruits vs. what OSU does with him at the helm with 4 & 5* recruits.  I have not seen anything resembling what IU did no offense which tells me UFM is making Wilson run the same tired plays that haven't worked for 2-3 years.  This is no different than a hitter getting in a slump because the pitchers have the book on him.  It is up to the hitter to make adjustments. Urban's offense is in a slump because the book is out on how to beat it. Time to turn the offense over to Wilson. Make the adjustment UFM.

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Madaris32's picture

Maybe what needs to happen, is some big time recruits decommits and mention there reason is because of consistently watching players not perform, but see playing time. If the player on the field is terrible, why the heck is he still the dang game. You have a 85 man roster in college. I'm not trying to hear game ready. Was Cardale game ready in 2014? We didn't find out until he got into the game. Practice and the game is completely different for some players. Play the best players or do a better job at recruiting/developing players, because if your scholarship players aren't game ready, then you need to look into the mirror head coach. 

Ivan Madaris

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teddyballgame's picture

They clearly kept the same garbage playbook to make it easy on JT but even Wilson can't find a grove with these plays.

I don't have a lot of hope for the offense this season but it might get fixed next year with a new QB and Wilson installing his stuff.

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GoldenBuckeye's picture

This is so true and so deflating.  

The Ohio State University
University of Minnesota

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sanbuckeye's picture

So we keep hearing, "turn the keys over to Wilson" and stop running Urban's old offense. Not disputing that, he is the common denominator and it looks very much like last year. But who should Schiano hand the keys to? Or is this also Urban's defense?

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King Simba's picture

The coach says Barrett has stood out among the quarterbacks in practice, and he does not believe the other quarterbacks are as "game ready" as Barrett is now.

He's just tearing it up in practice but can't stand out in live games??? 

Haskins Era

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Do I need to remind everyone how well the Chris Leak/Tim Tebow platooning worked for one Urban Meyer and the Florida Gators? Just saying. Even for some different looks. One of the guys on the sideline WILL be the QB next year, and JT WILL be gone after this year. Let him still be a team captain (OBVIOUSLY), starter, and then bring in the other guys for a real-time "try out." 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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Cooper's picture

What makes Urban legitimately believe this offense can be great under J.T.'s reigns? Either he's blindly leading this offense into mediocrity or stubborn enough to believe drastic change will occur. It's borderline maddening.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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nikolajz1's picture

There are like occasional games where JT looks just like Deshaun Watson. The Nebraska game last year comes to mind. There just isn't consistency when we have close games. The offense locks up at the first sign of adversity and we go into the read option, screen pass, failed long 3rd down pass loop that we always see against really good teams. 

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Cooper's picture

Nebraska's pass defense is right next to ours in being the worst in the NCAA. J.T.'s last five games statistically have been some of the worst performances by an Ohio State quarterback since 2011 with Braxton and Bauserman. 

Here is his passing chart the first two games of this season. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/906979156310736896

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Urbanologist's picture

We have watched this team lose 3 of its last 10 games and ALL for the exact same offensive reasons. Yet Meyer has not even taken incremental steps to address what hemknows is a competence problem in,our passing game. If we do not have a 2nd QB " game ready" then what the fuck have our QB coaches and Head Coaches been doing ? They have had 2-3 YEARS to have another guy game ready.

Theire is only one truth...

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TigerSweat's picture

Damn right

He's making it sound as if they have no backup plan at all in the event of JT getting hurt.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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buckeyeinWI's picture

Maybe if Burrow or Haskins were the starter, there would be opportunities for the backups to play.

just sayin'...

GO BUCKEYES!

15-1 is SWEET!

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AZBuck LHC's picture

I would love to be a fly on the wall during a Coaching staff meeting! As a fan, I expect the Coaches to make decisions that are designed to give the team the best chance to not only win, but also improve. Maybe J.T. is still the best option to lead the team on the field, but if they are committed to keeping him in there then alter the offense to fit his skills(Power running) and stop trying to force the downfield throws. Do what you do well......not what you wish you could do well. This is not a CFP team, and they have demonstrated that in a big and painful fashion, but they can still win 9 or 10 games and compete for BIG Championship game. Even if we could swap Barrett with D Watson this team would struggle against elite teams.....too many issues(Inexperienced and less talented DBacks and Linebackers, and  a mediocre group of receivers and shaky right side of the O-line).

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CPBuckeye's picture

So I have a "game ready" QB that has consistently underperformed in big games against elite talent and two unproven, yet highly rated commodities, in Burrow & Haskins. We know what we've got in JT... he MIGHT get you to the show, but he won't take home the trophy. With Burrow or Haskins... they might get you to the show and they MIGHT get the trophy.

My point is, you know what the ceiling is with JT. I'd like to take my chances with the other guys, see where we land, and have more experience for them to be "game ready" next year. That doesn't necessarily make this a throwaway season either. There's the potential to win games, we just don't know to what extent. Either way it likely makes us less one dimensional.

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buckeye-bengal's picture

What's interesting is JT has been on 2 championship teams. Both were with him sitting the bench. Coincidence? I don't think so.

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Glendora's picture

I made this statement on another discussion thread, so here I will go again.

Although I didn't like it at the time, the platoon of Stanley Jackson and Joe Germaine a generation ago worked pretty well. Germaine not only got meaningful snaps, but he even pulled out the 1997 Rose Bowl. The 1997 season was frustrating, but by 1998 we had a great passing quarterback. Perhaps we can start working in one of the younger quarterbacks in something other than garbage time.

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

Play the young guys in order for them to get "game time" experience!

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Buckeye1004's picture

It has been the case that Ohio State has opened with one or two cupcakes at home.  This gave the offense and defense a chance to gel and to get game reps.  It also provided lopsided scores that allowed backups/youngsters to get plenty of game reps. 

This year we started on the road against a good Indiana team and then came home to face a legit top 5 team with a Heisman finalist quarterback.  A legit top 5 team who played a cupcake week 1 and talked about the fact that they used the first week as well to prepare for Ohio State (I unfortunately live in Oklahoma).  So we went up against a top 5 team with a Heisman quarterback with extra time to prepare.  And we are putting a bunch of young unproven guys out on the field against them. 

Yes, the loss hurts.  We didn't look good at all.  We also have a bunch of youngsters trying to figure things out.  I suspect that things will improve greatly over the next few weeks.  We will use the next few games to get our youngsters going, get everyone on the same page, and play together as a team. 

Our goals are still alive.  We can still win the B1G!  We can still make the playoff! 

To all those bitching and moaning and whining, "Take your binky out of your mouth!  Pull your big boy diapers up!  You're acting like a fair weather sissy fan!  Start acting like an Ohio State Buckeye Fan!"

GO BUCKEYES!!!!!!         OH, and it's September 11, 2017, never forget and ttun still SUCKS!

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Grand Lake Celina's picture

Guys that have been in the system 3 & 4 years don't qualify for the young & unproven excuse. OU had a true freshman getting open and making catches, true freshman linebacker, etc. 

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BuckeyeBLaub's picture

Kind of scary that Barrett is our "Best Option" right now. I would rather give them some experience today then throw them to the wolves next year.  

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BuckeyeJAK's picture

I think the 1st change should be Prince he really struggles in the pass game. But Barrett needs to be on the table this team needs a spark even if its just for effect and to get their attention.

Mark May is a mental midget

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oztintacius's picture

"He's not game ready but we'd be fine putting him in there if JT got hurt because he's ready to help us win."

Makes perfect sense. The back up "not being game ready" sounds like a cop-out and a lie.

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Grisle's picture

And how the hell is he suppose to get "game ready" if he never gets to play in any games? Just broken logic and coach speak which Urban has mastered.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

""Right now, there’s just not even a question," Meyer said in his press conference Monday. "If you’re thinking quarterback is just throwing, it’s much more than that. It’s calling the right plays, etc. So at this point … there’s a difference.""

Then let him just distribute the ball. J.T. just needs to relax and play with his instincts. He's overthinking the game and not trusting his receivers. Come on J.T. Just relax and air it out, and if it's not there, tuck it and go with NO hesitation.

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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carmenohio88's picture

If we can agree on one thing, i hope it's that we should never again draw up the WR screen where the QB slowly turns directly to the receiver, throws a softball to him, and then no one block for the receiver once he catches it.  Over the past few years, it must be generating about two yards per play.  At least have the receiver catch the ball on the run so the defense doesn't get a head start!

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Clay Moore's picture

Urban has allowed his personal biases and friendships to cloud his judgment about JT. Barrett will never realize his dream of being drafted by the NFL. The supposition that none of the other QB's could do better is contradictory. None of them could do much worse either.  Urbs needs to get rid of his friends and buddies he's hired as coaches and replace them with some of the hot young coaching prospects around the country.

Clamor

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Chicago Connection's picture

I hate to say this, but if I'm a top-shelf recruit/talent like Burrow, Haskns, or Martell, and I know I can either automatically start at a host of schools or else be given a fair shot to play, I'm getting my transfer papers ready, ASAP.

Unfortunately, Meyer is handling his QB situation the EXACT way he shouldn't: He's clearly playing favorites and sending the message that you might be sitting on the bench behind another player even though you know, your teammates know, opposing coaches know, the whole national media knows, all the pro scouts know, and every last fan in the stadium knows that the coach is playing his pet regardless of his performance.

In short, yeah, you may be great and far more deserving of playing than the guy ahead of you, but... so what?

Player's Answer: So... I'll take my services elsewhere.

Recruits Answer: I ain't going to that school. I know I've got talent, and I'll be damned if I leave my fate in the hands of some coach's whim and obviously "blind" loyalty. Sure, I might be the recipient of his blind loyalty, but 1) I don't want to take that risk, and 2) man, that coach sure is blind to what a good quarterback is.

 

chicagobuckeye

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EddieEddie95's picture

JT is not the same qb he was 3 yrs ago. Either you get better or you get worse...nobody stays in the same spot. Its obvious. Make a change at qb and lean on those 2 horses in the backfield until new qb is "game ready." We need a true gunslinger back there who is willing to trust receivers and take more chances. I'm almost to the point where I'd take an interception by our qb challenging dbs down the field than another 2 yd quarterback read option that the whole country knows how to defend.
Go Bucks!
Muck Fichigan

Principles before personalities.

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buckeye-bengal's picture

Eddie, I see people keep complaining about the WRs route running. I am wondering if it doesn't have to do with them questioning if it is worth running a better route because they know JTs limitations. Campbell's drop against IU could be a result of being surprised it was catchable! What do you think?

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

It was not a good day in Zone 6 when JT announced that he was coming back.

Young guys and old, anticipated a new era.

Smith and the WRs felt like they were beat upon and thrown under the bus all 2016 season long, with the tag they couldn't get separation, all the while, it was known that JT limitations were a big part of the problem.

But as long as they won, and Meyer insisted in open press conferences that "our Receivers" need to play better, while extolling JT's virtue, leadership and grit, and overlooking his feeble numbers (less than 150 yards in 6 games)......Zone 6 was left to hang out there to dry!

So with JT coming back, and Wilson's addition, they hoped and prayed and practiced and believed that JT would be better.  To no avail!

Tell you what, I'd rather be a young WR with remaining eligibility, where the future is brighter than the present (for the older guys)!

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AlwayzABuckeye614's picture

How the HELL is Haskins supposed to get "game ready" if he doesnt even get a chance to get in the games? SMH this coaching staff I swear.

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dkgaffney's picture

He starts getting game experience in blowouts or when the starter is injured.  How long have you been watching college football?

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Madaris32's picture

He starts becoming game ready when our stubborn head coach puts him in the game. How many times do we have to see our miserable offense led by JT? Why is it so hard for people to see that? 

Ivan Madaris

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dkgaffney's picture

And how would you have felt if he puts him in in the 2nd half and he throws a couple of interceptions? (Yes I know JT threw one at the worst time)  Point is he needs to get game experience when he can afford to make a couple of mistakes.

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Greenbriar's picture

JT should get replaced by Haskins because what goes around comes around. Urban should not have replaced Cardale in 2015. Cardale led OSU to a national championship, was undefeated, and drove JT home from his DUI. Yet JT, ended up as QB1. JT has had more than his fair share of starts. Put Haskins in sooner rather than later. 

 Why was everyone clamoring for JT back then? (I was too but I am so anti-JT now that I cannot remember what I was thinking).

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buckeye-bengal's picture

I like your understanding but I have to admit I was anti JT back in 2015. Don't have any respect for him since his DUI.

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LawClub's picture

Because it wasn't working with Cardale or both JT and him. 

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iamLV3's picture

No offense, JT has done amazing things for OSU but it isn't like he is going to be drafted anyways.  THEY NEED A SPARK AND CHANGES.  All these cupcakes coming up will do is give a fake notion that certain groups are playing better when in reality it is easier opponents and the same thing will happen when tougher opponents come to play.

Freshman or not, rotate.  Never know what they can do in a game if they can't play in a game.  Heck, maybe they will do better in the game since they say most of practice is practicing against coverages opponents don't even use against.

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TruenTestedBuckFan's picture

One excuse from JT that has rubbed me the wrong way. Not an exact quote but, " we practiced against man coverage and not zone coverage. The past two teams we've played were in zone coverage." He's been here long enough as well as a few of the WR's that they should know how to handle that!! No excuses, own up and move on!

Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~ Woody Hayes

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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

Well.... after 3 years, after Saturday's debacle, I sadly, reluctantly, came to the conclusion many others did before me- it may be time to sit J.T.    BUT-- that being said- I've seen interviews and quotes from the other players; if the rest of the team trusts J.T., perhaps we should too?  Maybe they know better than we armchair QBs? 

I dunno.   I'm just a fan.  Sigh....

 

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland

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buckeye-bengal's picture

"So far, though, Meyer says he hasn’t encountered a situation in which he felt it would benefit the Buckeyes to put another quarterback in the game."
What about at IU up 14 or 21? No, JT was still in. Haskins should have been.

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TruenTestedBuckFan's picture

That's a good point. Once we were up 14 I think that would've been a prefect situation to put in one of the backups. Not too much pressure yet not basically worthless time either as OU D would've still be fighting hard to win. 

Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~ Woody Hayes

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Part Time 74's picture

the staff better frickn' hope we have no injury at rb position..we will ultimately be damned then! just to much lacking on both sides of the ball..a very tough "fix" as they say..but it has been done before and lets hope it can be duplicated!!!!!!

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raiders91sc's picture

Look at what our guys are doing in the NFL today.  We have close to 12 guys from 2015 team drafted who lost to MSU. What 6 more drafted the next year who played or was a back up in that year??  That is 18 NFL players in your 2 deep in one year and we lose to MSU.  We lost because of our QB play and not running the ball with our best RB. 

We have 15 currently in our 2 deep that will play in the NFL.  We got beat again cause we cant throw and didn't run the ball.

It comes down to 2 people who are the problem right now Urban and JT

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Chicago Connection's picture

NOTE TO URBAN MEYER: Clemson's new QB Kelly Bryant is lighting it up from the start despite being the #408 ranked quarterback in the class of 2015, whereas Joe Burrow was ranked 303 that year while Dwayne Haskins was ranked 93 in the class of 2016, but somehow it's inconceivable, er, beyond "question" that these guys might step on the field to replace your failed quarterback "project"--a guy who only gets worse with every passing year, I mean, game.

Heck, Trace McSorley was ranked #570, but I guess that's an unfair comparison, since they know how to develop QBs at Penn State and get them ready to play big games.

At least nobody has figured out Burrow, Haskins or Martell, but I can see they all have decent arms, whereas, it takes all a minimum amount of game film to see BARRETT CAN'T THROW PAST 10 YARDS!!!

Man, I hate it when a coach plays favorites and/or when he's the last guy in the stadium to recognize what's happening on the field, or for that matter, what's happening to his team, to say nothing of what you know (and Meyer should know) is being said by his players in the privacy of their dorm rooms.

chicagobuckeye

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Eph97's picture

So what does JT have to do to get benched? Going all Bauserman wasn't enough? Even IU yanked, in the words of that blowhard Herbstreit "the greatest QB OSU will face this year" after a few snaps when he was not doing well and his backup lead IU to victory over UVA.

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Eph97's picture

I'll keep it simple, JT Barrett sucks.

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TLB's picture

Urban's ego wont allow him to admit his error.

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Billykrackin's picture

"We’d like to, absolutely, put the other guys in," Meyer said. "That opportunity has not presented. Third quarter of Oklahoma is not the right time to do that."

Anyone else take this statement as condescending?   

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KlusterBuck740's picture

Sad thing is at this rate with the way Jt is playing we probably won't see very much of the "other guys" just like last year.  So when exactly is the right time? ~That's a piss poor thinking. Are we playing to win or are we playing not to lose ?  No we will just let Jt self explode during good opponents. Don't bother in making a risk that could make huge impact in a good way. No way in hell Jt has better passing, better foot work, better accuracy and better pocket passing then his back ups . All he has is experience and leadership.

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Eph97's picture

I would even question his leadership. He never should have been made captain after getting a DUI during the season.

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CLEbuck96's picture

Start one of them before the most talented QB's on our roster transfer!
 

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Fuzzynut's picture

I saw Joe Bauserman play against Nebraska. 

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Numbers's picture

If Haskins went to Maryland, he'd be looking plenty ' game ready' by now.

Was JT 'game ready' when Brax couldn't play QB anymore? I doubt Meyer thought so at the time, but after some early issues (VT) he ended up having a pretty great season. Sometimes you have to take a chance but it appears Meyer won't do so unless forced (injury to JT)

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dkgaffney's picture

He had no choice but to play JT at the time.  You do not put a QB with no college game experience into the middle of a game with a Top 10 team when you have the far more experienced QB still playing and you still have a chance to win no matter how bad you are playing.  Doing that shows desperation and throws any chance you had out the window

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Numbers's picture

my point is more about Urb and the use of the phrase 'game ready.' It's unlikely he thought JT was 'game ready' when he had to put him in there. and at that time JT showed for the most part he was up to the task. You don't know who is game ready until they get into the game, essentially. Oklahoma game, probably not the right time to try someone new. I get that. I wouldn't have been against it though given how the game was going.

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Buck68's picture

"We’d like to, absolutely, put the other guys in," Meyer said.

"absolutely" we have rotations galore... but not 1 substitution at QB?  Denial, Blindness... or worse.

"That opportunity has not presented." 

irresponsible double-talk.  Opportunities are not alive.  They are circumstances a person chooses to recognize as 'opportunity'.  What UFM is "recognizing" is a negative, not a positive.  His 'risk/reward' meter is stuck on off-scale low.

Third quarter of Oklahoma is not the right time to do that."

Urban's "wrong times" are spreading like a virulent cancer, because "wrong times" are an attitude.  As Dickens put it long ago, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times."

Meyer acknowledges that Barrett has "got to play better," as does the entire team, 

How can one "acknowledge" another, when he will not first acknowledge himself?  Where is responsibility or accountability in that?

There is not one of us who has not 'encountered' this kind of situation in their life at least once.  It doesn't matter how 'big' or 'small' it was/is.  It does matter if you face it in yourself... or project it onto others.

What are those two words on our wall?  There are no names there... BECAUSE THEY APPLY TO US ALL.

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dkgaffney's picture

Lot of Monday morning Quarterbacks on here and people are panicking after one loss to a Top 10 team early in the season.  Buckeyes best chance to win last Saturday was with JT even with his obvious faults.  Haskins has not played a down of college ball and Burrows was still injured.  Reality check people.

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Buck68's picture

Dkgaffney:  if OK were "one loss to a Top 10 team early in the season"... that's instance 1 in a 'now' scenario.

If OK is the latest in a 3 year scenario with many datapoints...?

Agree:  reality check.

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dkgaffney's picture

We are in THIS season with different circumstances.  Let's see how the offense progresses over the next 3 or 4 games.  I am betting Haskins will get the opportunity to play.  If offense does not get better under JT and it does under Haskins or Burrows than one of them could well become the starter. 

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Buck68's picture

Dkgaffney:  you mention several points with a common assumption:  if i define [and omit] sufficient aspects of a situation, this rationally 'proves my point'.  No, it simply proves, like statistics, that we can manipulate any situation to assert the result we desire.

Ex:  "we are in THIS season".  Yes.  "different circumstances"  Yes.  By the same reasoning, we are in this era, this program, this week, this game, this day, this rep.

Ex:  "let's see how the offense progresses over the next 3 or 4 games".  Do we all 'see' the same things?  The same way?  Why the assumption that 'the offense' "progresses"?  Should we pick 3 average or less teams to compare with, as if that's qualitatively the same as comparing to a top team?  Consider this website... how many posters do you 'see' enamored of 'underhype'?  50th in passing?  Extolling the number of 3* recruits we 'get' or 'poach'?

Ex:  "I'm betting".  Is this the game our coaches and players are playing?

Seems to me we're playing games with ourselves.  One could argue this is an old game... with the eventual, usual, conclusion.  So...should we dress ourselves up and go dance to the usual?

Replace Honesty & Integrity with "Narratives" and/or my feelings?   "Let's see" if "something happens"?  If...then...could?

IF you're intimating that it totally honestly actually really 'makes a fan's head hurt' to consider our situation... i agree.  I take an aspirin a day....   ;-{)}

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dkgaffney's picture

We are in THIS season with different circumstances.  Let's see how the offense progresses over the next 3 or 4 games.  I am betting Haskins will get the opportunity to play.  If offense does not get better under JT and it does under Haskins or Burrows than one of them could well become the starter. 

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

"The coach says Barrett has stood out among the quarterbacks in practice, and he does not believe the other quarterbacks are as "game ready" as Barrett is now."

I don't get it. The backup should be as game ready as the starter. At least that's the way it used to work.

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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NYWoodyFan's picture

I have to say, that the spread in the red zone with no running backs maybe the dumbest idea in football history.

The field is already tight, and the receivers need green space. Cram two RB and two TE in the box-Weber and Dobbins. Place Victor out wide and let him draw double coverage or throw it to him. It's pretty damned simple.

If we go to an empty backfield in the red zone on first down again, I may lose my mind (if that hasn't already occurred Saturday night).

Matt

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Madaris32's picture

You have a 6'4 Victor. A 6'4 Baugh. A 6'2 Mack. I have a idea, let's go 5 wide, empty back field, and do a qb keeper up the middle. We'll catch them off guard with that. If I hear another idiot former buckeye player say, Urban honestly believes JT is the guy and he should be the guy, will cause me to pass out. I've heard former players say coaches don't play favorites, in what the heck are you watching to believe a head coach wouldn't do that? Isn't a head coach human, your telling me just because your a head coach, you wouldn't show favorites? Those former players who think that are blind.   

Ivan Madaris

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Berg2004's picture

The Ohio State practices must be awful to watch.  WRs can't run routes, DBs can't cover, the LBs probably get lost going from the locker room to the practice field, Urban and JT are patting each other on the backs, and Greg Schiano is talking to his agent looking for his next gig.  The only iron sharpening iron is the O-line vs. D-line, but for only 4/5s of the O-line.  

I have some suggestions that will never happen:

1. The coaches need to quit rolling JT out.  Why are you making an inconsistent QB throw on the run?  Seems counter-intuitive.  I realize he's a semi-mobile QB and the pocket collapses on him 80% of the time, but I have a different strategy.

2.Run the routes and plays that burn our DBs: Slants, Outs, and Curls.  There were times in both games this year where the opponent's WR would catch the ball and our DB wasn't even in the picture and the WR was only running a simple Out route.  The simple routes get JT in rhythm and more confidence, puts the defense on their toes, and will open up the run game more.

3. If JT can't hit on these routes, bench him for someone that can.

4. Use this strategy to sustain some drives and get our defense off the field.

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ramiy63's picture

I almost died laughing at this statement. Seems like something our current president would say regardless of the truth of it, just because he can.

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Oldcoach76's picture

What happened to the philosophy that we don't coach average. The effort on the route running is not average though it is below average. Why are players not benched for a half arsed effort?

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