The Boy Who Fell Out of the Sky

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osu992's picture

Right, left, right.

So...I take it J.T. Barrett is facing a service academy pretty soon?

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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Smithie's picture

Yeah, but they're left, right, left.

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osu992's picture

Yeah, but he put it in there enough times that you can cobble together a left, right, left.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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AgriBuck08's picture

Ramzy always brings the wisdom to keep us in check.

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Griffin17's picture

Incredible article.  Can't wait to see how the offense and JT respond the next couple of games... Go Bucks!

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Ethos's picture

yeah, the offense is going to look amazing! Because we are playing crappy teams.  

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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I am Kirok's picture

This^ This cannot be overstated, we are playing Army (no offense), UNLV, and Rutgers, the offense damn well better look amazing. After that when PSU comes to town, and we go to Iowa and then to Ann Arbor...

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Bamabucknut's picture

Playing unrated, no name teams, will make the great unwashed forget what we have seen now for 3 years ?

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BuckNutChicago's picture

Thank God for Ramzy!

I actually logged off for a couple of days because I couldn't take any more of the venom spewing comments.  

We'll be alright! Go Bucks!

Go Buckeyes!!!

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ChristianHaven's picture

Glad to know i'm not alone. I've been MIA for the same reasons, Chic.

And thank you, Ramzy.

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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CieGrant_Blitz's picture

Likewise.  I typically love conversing with our knowledgeable fan base and expected some overreaction after a bad loss but holy cow, you would think Meyer had the same record as Brady Hoke and Barrett the same stats as Devin Gardner given some of the comments.

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BuckeyeFromThe330's picture

Many members are venting their anger as they should be. They are extremely frustrated. If one does not allow emotions and love for nostalgia cloud their vision, it is plain to see that, at this point, J.T. is predictable and easy to plan for. Myself, I exhaled a disappointed breath when, during the post conference interviews after the Clemson loss, J.T. said he would be returning. Many of my friends did the same. Look, I love J.T. He is a great young man and has been a great quarterback. Problem is, this is a dynamic sport with young innovative coaches who, after watching a guy play for 4 years, start figuring out his game. Tendencies if you will. They are fully aware of his strengths and weaknesses. Meanwhile, we have a guy like Joe Burrow, a quarterback coaches son who brought a podunk farm school like Athens all the way to the State Championship, riding the pine for 3 years. He is forced to remain positive and shiny on the outside, but, deep down, I am sure he is feeling rusty and frustrated. Fans, like myself, feel, if the team has to suffer losses, it oughtta be with a fresh quarterback who is trying to find his own mojo, cultivating his own leadership style and building a team channeled through his personality and love for the game. In saying that, it is quite easy for me to understand why fans are becoming a bit unglued. If TOSU Buckeyes have to lose, for crying out loud, let it be with a future leader, not a seasoned vet. In conclusion, Ramzy wrote a great article full of heartfelt nostalgia. But, this ain't a time to be looking back, talking about big wins in the past. Many of us would like to see if Joey Burrow has a bright future.

Winning is the epitome of team effort. -Wayne Woodrow Hayes

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Makes sense, but, this is Ohio State.  Ohio State is ALWAYS in WIN NOW mode.  This isn't a program that is going to throw a young guy in there because they're thinking about the future.  That's the pressure that we as fans have put on it for a while.  We all talk about the what ifs of losing, the possibility of losing, etc, yet, what happens when OSU actually does lose?  

MELTDOWNNNN

And that won't change just because the Buckeyes put in Burrow or Haskins or whoever else at QB.

Class of 2010.

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

Damn it! Just when I thought I had jumped off the JT bandwagon, you pull me right back on.

I saw him in high school and he was a man amongst boys, and now he's a leader amongst men! Let's get behind this guy and ride him like we have the last few years...it's been a hell of a run with him under center. 

Feed the trolls

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Findlay419Buckeye's picture

^^^^^^This!

I am such a big JT Barrett fan that I felt guilty for doubting him.  He didn't luck into those records.  He earned them.  Every.  Single.  One.

This guy is a WARRIOR!!!!  He has bled scarlet and gray for 5 long years.  He deserves our respect.

Findlay by birth, Buckeye by the grace of God.

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ControltheGlassdoor's picture

Just when I thought I had jumped off the JT bandwagon, you pull me right back on.

Ramzy shakes people to their core with his words.

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toad1204's picture
Ramzy dropping truth bombs...

The offseason is the longest season.

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cratermann11's picture

Great piece of writing. Honestly gives me some sense of security that Barrett and the playcalling staff will right the ship starting this Saturday. GO BUCKS!

Go Bucks

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Ethos's picture

only to crash the ship directly into the rocks when we face somebody with a pulse.

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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Ethos's picture

Man, lot of angry nelly's on these days, take a joke people.

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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Ethos's picture

And you are an old and grumpy man. 

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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Ethos's picture

Thanks for proving my point you grumpy codger.

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Holy crap man I just looked at your recent posts and this is what you've been contributing?  You need to log off and take a break. This loss has disabled your lighten up button and has your high and mighty button on overdrive. 

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Also short and inside on those endzone throws. That ball should be towards the back pylon.
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Bad at insults too.
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What does a pissing match consist of? How far someone can piss, or how long? I'm asking because I assume you know more about that than proper QB mechanics. 

But thanks for doubling down on not knowing what you are talking about. 
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Another forum created by someone that doesn't know what they are talking about. 

*this post is to the OP. 
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Please, I'd love for you to break down each of their throwing motions that led you to this conclusion.
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You also have no idea what you are talking about.
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I can confidently say you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. All of your two sentences is wrong.
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Rotating QBs is a terrible idea.
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You are bad at jokes

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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kyo's picture

[mod edit - please review the commenting policy and refrain from attacks on other members]

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Marcus Hall's Middle Fingers's picture

I don't know what you said, but I'm upvoting it anyway. Had to be great!

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jamesrbrown322's picture

If it was a joke, why does it align perfectly with the tone and theme of your other comments?

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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Ethos's picture

All my comments are not serious. YOU guys take the internet comments way too seriously. 

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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BuckeyeRocket's picture

3-0 against a team with a pulse up north.

BuckeyeRocket

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Ethos's picture

Now don't be going and giving the fighten harbaugh any kind of credit in these here parts. They can remain 4th in the division where they belong.

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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ibuck's picture

only to crash the ship directly into the rocks when we face somebody with a pulse.

This might be true IF Barrett were calling his own plays. He's not.

Whoever goes out to play QB at OSU has to call the plays the coaches signal in. He has to translate the signal to the play call and communicate that to the other 10 players. If you've been paying attention and noticing the clues, Haskins is not good enough to do this—yet. And he has yet to run a single play in college ball. And Burrow has not surpassed Barrett in doing this either, per the coaches.

When OSU coaches stop sending in QB runs and options, we'll see something else.

Also, you may remember some similar frustration when Braxton rarely pitched the ball to the RB on the option. OSU's coaches—with Urban being the common thread over 6 seasons—keep putting the Buckeye QB in this situation, and the QB often opts to keep the ball. It's not Barrett's fault that the RBs don't get eough carries (to satisfy us).

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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45has2's picture

12 Gauge surpassed NO ONE in practice. And yet.........

Censores irrumasti.

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RCRoy45's picture

Well done ...  I remember all of those things - my 8 year old daughter remembers too - an at the start of he 4th quarter just she and I are watching as mom and the younger one have retired.. and after another ineffective pass play she asks me "Dada - why does JT take so long to make decisions". - JT will go down as my of my all time favorite Buckeyes and UM3 also one of my all time favorites- all I am asking is to have a mix like UM3 himself did at Florida when they crushed us in 2006/7 - he had a senior CJ Leak and a frosh named Tebow which he rode to the title and ironically the signing of Cam Newton that February.  

To me the sensible solution is that JT start every game and have a pre established first half rotation and go with the hot hand in the second half and if the situation calls for ball control - ride JT home...

JT has an opportunity to be a real leader in this complicated situation- thoughts?

“And in the night of death, hope sees a star and listening love hears the rustle of a wing.”

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TigerSweat's picture

I think JT certainly has the capability to be a championship caliber QB... From what I can tell, his biggest issue is confidence (or lack thereof). Something has him shook and i would hope that such heralded staff could help him get back on track. We'll see

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

I said a few dumb things on here after the Virginia Tech game which proved to be premature, and I think some of the more hysterical commenters these last few days (you know who you are) will be eating similar meals of crow soon enough. 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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I am Kirok's picture

I was told I would eat crow once we fired Beck and Warriner...

And after we got this new class of WR's in...

Yet here we are watching the same problems year after year.

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Knite's picture

Will gladly eat crow if it means we get a passing game.

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albinomosquito's picture

And just like that, I'm back on the JT bandwagon.  How can you root against this guy??

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stuckupnorth's picture

Come out and do the same things they have done for almost two years.Maybe throw a wrinkle or Two in their. Throw deep against a team with hardly any D1 talent.Beat a team that has no business playing OSU. Declare a good week of practice. Made some adjustments. Talk about leadership. Everything will be peachy.(fans) The Buckeyes are back just like 2014...........Backup gets in to appease fans. Meyer talks about having a chance to get back ups valuable playing time. Getting them game ready. Credit coaches for a good week.credit leadership. Then say gotta get ready for a tough BIG ten schedule. 

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German Buckeye's picture

What is this Meyer's next media conference or something?

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DefendYoungstown's picture

#deep - Very well written

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

From my perspective, I guess it's like having my cake and eating it too.  I don't hate JT Barrett because he has regressed, players regress, it happens all the time.  It's hard to pinpoint exactly what causes it, but somewhere between him breaking his ankle vs. Michigan, and him taking the starting job over from Cardale Jones, it's like he forgot how to play Quarterback at an elite D-1 level.

So in terms of having my cake and eating it too, I want to say I have a ton of respect for JT, and I appreciate all he's done, but on that same token, I would at least like to see what it is the rest of the QB room has to offer.  Am I wrong for wanting that? I don't think so.  I think when you look at the offensive play over consecutive games for a while now, it begs the question if he can still get it done, and if the offense wouldn't be better off from some new blood being injected into it.  Do we know we would be better off without him? No, of course not, but do we know where we stand with him? Yes we do.

I think JT Barrett is an all-time great Buckeye, but sometimes players just become stagnant, they're in the same place for too long, and, I hate to use this expression, let me say again, I HATE THAT I'M TYPING THIS EXPRESSION, but the simple truth is, for a coach, and sometimes a player, you out stay your welcome.  The team dynamic shifts, things change, but you don't, and what you're doing doesn't necessarily fit with what the team needs.

The question remains, what % of all of this rests on JT's shoulders, what % rests on the play calling, the OL play, the WRs, and all that.  None of those questions can be answered, but let's look at it logically...  The offensive coaching staff got blamed, they got replaced, the offensive line at least to me, has improved, I saw an awful lot of green turf surrounding JT last Saturday, and I saw Dobbins and Weber both rip off some really nice runs during the game, the WRs were bad last year, we got new ones this year...  So what's the only thing left to change?  The Quarterback...

All due respect to JT, but can the offense get much worse than it is? At this point, maybe not, do we know for sure that Dwayne Haskins can't open up some portion of the offense that we haven't seen yet? We don't...  This stretch of games wouldn't be the worst time for a new young QB to get his feet wet.

Hindsight is always 20/20, I don't know what the best answer is, JT has earned our respect, but his play on the field, no matter the cause, isn't reflective of a QB on a team poised for a title.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Ethos's picture

This is an excellent counterpoint to Ramzy's article and exactly how I feel as well.  To add to your statement of what is left to change, Urban Meyer.  Now obviously i'm not saying fire the best coach we've had since Woody, but he needs to back away from play calling and let the offensive minded genius Wilson take over the plays.

I love JT to death, but we've seen zero improvement with our offense over the last 2 years.  

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Your take on Urban is 100% correct. It would appear he's just a little too involved in the details of the team.  It's definitely a control thing, and he may be best suited to take a step back, and instead of trying to manage everything, just supervise, and let his coaches do the managing.

JT is a legend in my eyes, and I'll always have a ton of respect for him, but I think some of the points I made do bear the question, and for me it's totally okay to ask those questions, and it doesn't mean that anyone is disrespecting or downgrading what he's done.  Sometimes things just dissolve.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

I look @ it this way.  A contributing factor to the success of the Defense is because Meyer doesn't know it and can't meddle in it.  He HAS to delegate and TRUST those Coaches!!'

Conversely, offense is "his bread and butter", so the inclination to meddle/suggest and tinker is never too far away!  And the thought of truly turning over the keys to someone else, is not easy for a guy that likes control.

Reminds me of a father racing against his son, knowing that one day he'll be strong and fast enough to beat him, but not wanting to hand off the keys!

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

And that bit at the end there is a great analogy.  Is it possible that division-1, offensive college football coaching/play calling has passed Urban by? Is he too set in his ways from what he's seen work, even if it isn't what's working right now?

I hate to think that way, I mean he truly is one of the top 5 college football coaches of all time.  I think he's getting a hard line lesson in what it means to be a head coach, and the need to delegate.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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45has2's picture

Meyer played DB in college. He must know a little bit about D. He simply chooses not to meddle.

Censores irrumasti.

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costinjr's picture

I guess my counterpoint would be in regard to "new receivers." McLaurin was listed as a starter IIRC at least a few times last year. These guys were here last year and couldn't beat out Noah Brown or Corey Smith. That clip in Ramzy's article where both WRs turn into coverage is something I couldn't see happening in a hs flag football game. It's so egregiously bad that I cannot find words to describe how troubling that is. Smith was a burner who they could essentially tell "go deep, get open," and Thomas' uncle was an NFL great, who I'm sure had some additional words for his nephew that might trump Zach Smith's "coaching." This whole rotate 6 is unreal as well, I like having a go to wr - remember teams that had a goto receiver (Cooper, Watson, Even this Simmie Cobbs kid), which we currently aren't even close to getting.

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85ThruTheHeart's picture

This is spot on and the one flaw I see in RER's breakdown. The offensive coaching staff has largely changed, except for the coach of the other half of the QB receiver connection. Herbie and others have said it, the receivers can't get open, aren't disciplined, etc. while I agree with most of RER's points, I'm not ready to blame JT 100% until we prove that the receivers are not at fault. 

That said, there are 2 ways to test it. Change the receiver coach or change the QB. Now, one of those is significantly easier than the other. However, how do you give another QB MEANINGFUL snaps (garbage time does not count) without making JT look over his shoulder a la 2015? Meyer made that mistake once and I think his reluctance to back off of JT has more to do with that than we think. He is a master motivator after all.

"He has that look in his eye when it's time to start feeding the beast" UFM on EZE

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

You've raised some great points here as well, and I swear I'm not just out here collecting stickers, When there is a good conversation going, especially involving a take I've posted, I want to get as much info from those involved as possible.

Urban knows how to get the most out of his players, there's no question, but I think the question everyone wants to know is, have we gotten the most of what JT Barrett has to offer?

If the play calling doesn't change are Dwayne Haskins, or Joe Burrow going to stand any better a chance? Or is it just in JT's insistence that he can't/won't/isn't able to trust the receivers to put the ball in a spot and let them go get it? IS he capable of playing that way? I think he is, I think we saw that in '14, but what changed?

Somewhere along the way he lost that ability, and even though he was never a "gunslinger" you have to have a little bit of that to be successful at throwing the ball.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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85ThruTheHeart's picture

Agreed. This one is so tough to figure out. I just read an 11W article that brought something up I haven't heard of. Most people's defense of the receivers is, "they're all 4 and 5 star recruits". However, until recently, the receiver recruiting schtick was all about getting the best athletes who could then be developed. Brown was our last prototypical receiver until this 2017 class, but they're a year away yet. IMO, not only were we not recruiting the right guys for receiver, but the ones we do have aren't being properly developed. But, what do I know? Never played a down of FB in my life lol

"He has that look in his eye when it's time to start feeding the beast" UFM on EZE

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

I said this somewhere else. And yet, it IS the Coaches themselves who said BEFORE THE SEASON TO THE PLAYERS, that they were going to rotate 6, not because there's no separation among performance, but because the Offense was going to be more uptempo and faster, thus needing a lot of substitution.

Meyers continued insistence that there's been no separation (pun intended) between guy 1 thru 6, is hyperbole at best or a lie (at worse).  For me, he has a way of rolling players under the bus, right under the watchful eyes of fans, while folks yap about his psych degree and say "in Urban we trust".

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

So we all know Urban Meyer is capable of the "hot take" at the microphone during his press conferences, so the question is, does he go up to the podium and say "we have six guys" because he doesn't want anyone to feel left out, or he's worried about hurting their feelings? Or is he saying "we have six guys" because he knows 3 of those guys are better, those 3 guys know they're better, they just haven't shown it, and he's trying a tactic to get them to step up to the plate and prove it?

Does he know that Victor, Dixon, and Hill and/or Campbell are the guys that truly should be starting, but they haven't found a way to be the standouts in the WR room yet? Is this a ploy to subtly tell them to shit or get off the pot?

I think it could be either/or... One way or the other though, if there were 3 guys in that room that were that much better, wouldn't we know by now?

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Trust me, Meyer doesn't concern himself with "feelings".  Quite the opposite actually!

I've heard Meyer's approach is more of a militaristic approach of tearing them down and rebuilding them according to his infamous OSU "culture".  That approach is not for the faint of heart!  Offensive guys get more of it than not, considering that's the pot that  he tends to poke his finger in and stir!

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

You're definitely right in your assessment.  Zach Smith is the one remaining piece from an offensive coaching staff that has largely underwhelmed, and not put the elite talent we have in the right position to win.  He's an elite recruiter, but he's not elite at coaching up the available talent around him (which is over abundant), or at least it seems that way.

I wish I had an answer, #firezachsmith is the obvious take, but it's not really a good one as I think we all know it's coming down the pipe unless he turns things around immediately and we have a couple guys emerge.

The rotation of 6 wide receivers is completely absurd to me as well.  It's not a problem to play 6 guys with three available WR positions, but you're telling me you can't single out 3 who are the best at what they're doing and name them the starters and have the other 3 be their backups? What's wrong with being a #2 WR? Especially at Ohio State. 

We're on the same page, and I think you've brought up some great points.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Ethos's picture

You've had some excellent takes. I can't agree more with this. I don't know what sports you guys have played but in the ones I've played if my coach told us that we are all good and well just rotate you all in, nobody would have put in any further effort then to "just make the rotation." We like to talk about urban having a psych degree but how do you get an athlete to be motivated to take himself to the next level if you keep telling him he's no better than any 5 of his other team members? The floating six is like a giant turd in the bowl. Name three players so they push themselves from getting taken by the three behind him. Zach Smith is their buddy, and not their coach.

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

And see, there you have it, it all comes down to effort.  If I'm in a position group with 13 guys, and I know six of us are making it to the "starting lineup" because they rotate 6 guys without hesitation, how hard am I trying? If I know there are 3 spots, and 13 guys waiting for a spot, I'm trying a hell of a lot harder.

Good point.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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45has2's picture

Hate to say it, but it will eventually happen: Zack stays until Earle goes.

Censores irrumasti.

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Desymond's picture

The offensive coaching staff got blamed, they got replaced,

They replaced the staff, but the playcalling stayed the same. Doesn't matter what voice is calling it, if it's the same old same old.

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UpIrons's picture

I am sorry that I had to be the one to give you your 28th upvote as 27 was too perfect, but you deserved it. I can't take it back now.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I mean, Eddie is my hero, always will be, but Beanie Wells is nothing to sneeze at.  upvote coming back your way good sir, enjoy the Buckeye football season.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Nairion's picture

Thank you Ramzy for articulating the balance of faith and anger I have felt since Sunday.

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osu992's picture

Barrett threw his receivers open all the damn time. You might not remember that. Meyer does.

In fairness, there are really only 3-4 instances of throwing receivers open in that entire video. Most of it focuses on his running...and he's not exactly willing to run like that anymore. Maybe he can't, I don't know.

As much as you put all the good words into this, the observation seems to remain valid for wanting the magic to return. It would be good to see more risk taking in his game. Receivers won't be able to develop trust with JT if he doesn't give them opportunities to earn it (yeah, dropping balls in the end zone doesn't help...I'm thinking more like how Mack went up and grabbed the ball before hitting his head).

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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Jake321's picture

I watched the video and saw the same thing! The highlight video consisted of runs, deep balls, and back shoulder fades.

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cricejr's picture

Wow. All it takes is one well written article and the "I hope Barrett gets hurt" turns into "GO BARRETT!".  I don't even want to say what I'm thinking about that.  All I can say is that I will be behind this team and with JT; as I have stated before, he is a Buckeye through and through and deserves the opportunity to either take this team to greater heights or absorb all the hate he's gonna get if he doesn't. 

I bleed scarlet...literally

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allinosu's picture

Deserve? Why? He has flopped in the last two big games we have had. Other positions get replaced when then they don't perform. I have never seen any player get more excuses for bad play in my life. It's the coaches, it's play calling, it's the receivers, it's the line, it's raining, it's windy and on and on. Then we watch as the last three QBs out perform him and show him what leadership is. Watson, Lagow and Mayfield were rallying the troops and ours sulks.  No one player should be above the team. It's not poor JT which is what this article really is and it's not bad treatment if he gets replaced by other Buckeyes. It happens all the time. If Urban wants JT then so be it and we will win until PSU.

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ScoobyKnows's picture

Great article. Love JT. Still doesn't change anything in my mind.

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Ethos's picture

So does this mean we are going to see a fight between you and DJ?  Cage Match!

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I even found someone to make sure that they keep it clean! 

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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andretolstoy's picture

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Right, Left, Right -- How Dave won the B1G 

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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McGrind's picture

Got this sinking feeling in my gut that Burrows will be the next Trubisky...

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

Im sorry, but we would not have beaten Alabama with JT starting in 2014. We needed someone to go over the top. I do appreciate what JT has done, but if he has no confidence in his receivers and says it out loud as he did, that doesnt speak of leadership at all. Having zero confidence in the players around you is not good leadership, as a leader it is YOUR job to instill confidence, not come out and say i have no confidence in my receivers.

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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andretolstoy's picture

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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andretolstoy's picture

You're right! JT can't throw over the top. Especially to receivers like Thomas and Smith who broke from the DBs and actually turned with their entire bodies to the QB. No, only Cardale could that. And of course, Zeke had nothing to do with anything.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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LouBuck35's picture

Yup - couldn't have beaten them. Look at how many times Cardale put it in the end zone.  Once.  2 FGs, 2 Zeke scores, TD pass from Spencer, a pick 6 from a DE and Cardale's TD pass to Smith where the CB fell down half way through the route.

Yes he made some great throws over the middle and had some timely scrambles.  But I don't see how anyone, based on the 2014 season, could say that we absolutely couldn't have won with JT.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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SeoulBuck's picture

^^ This

"You cannot overestimate the unimportance of almost everything." - John Maxwell

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

Agreed. Cardale had a QBR of 55.4 and averaged 2.5 YPC against Alabama. That's honestly that very good. He's over glorified IMO.

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ChristianHaven's picture

You nailed it Lou.

And Cardale had first and goal to go against Alabama within the five-yard line-- twice-- and OSU was forced to settle for field goals both times.

And against Oregon, he had two fumbles-- once when trying to double stuff a hand-off to Elliott and once when he just lost a grip on the ball.

Cardale was truly amazing as a back up. You gotta love him.  A a mobile bulldozer with a missile launcher for an arm-- but not awesome.

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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NEBuckeye's picture

Devin Smith was very capable of getting past the Alabama secondary, and JT Barrett was very capable of hitting him in stride. Why people say he couldn't beat Alabama that year, with the team and coaching they had is beyond just some speculative hot take.  One of the touchdown passes was thrown by Evan frickin' Spencer for Pete's sake.

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I am Kirok's picture

I say it. Based solely on the fact that he folds faster than Superman on laundry day when the SHTF example: See Clemson, Oklahoma and VT 

We go down 21-6 and he would go into a shell, game over.

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NEBuckeye's picture

I have my criticisms of JT, don't get me wrong, but your conclusions about him are beyond hyperbolic.  There's plenty of evidence that he's engineered come from behind wins in very adverse conditions.  But as they say, past performance is not a guarantee of future success; or failure for that matter. I have no problem with criticizing JT or any other member of the team when taking a rational and sober look at their entire body of work.  Otherwise......

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I am Kirok's picture

Of course it's opinion I have nothing else to go on. I can't say that Burrow or Haskins are better than JT I have no idea. What I do know and what is fact is that we've changed everything but two things. And for the record I'm only willing to change one of those two things. 

Also side note I heard on the radio that Noah Brown called blaming the WRs a BS excuse anyone else hear this?

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Buckeyefan20's picture

Now why would Noah Brown say that?

I don't know if I'll ever figure that one out...

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jamesrbrown322's picture

So, the two "over the top" plays were essentially Evan  Spencer's pass to Thomas, and Cardale's throw to Devin Smith, after the DB fell down. Exactly how would Barrett have prevented those had he been under center?

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

Cardale zipped several deep crosses in the 15-25 yd range over the LBs and in front of the safeties that are throws that JT has never and will never complete in his life.  Look at his throwing charts that have been posted.  That portion of the field does not exist for him.

Not saying this is also the make or break to Alabama game, but it represents things that happened that 4 years of evidence show JT is incapable of doing.

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BuckeyeRocket's picture

Watch the highlight film in this article. JT has made plenty of big time throws. Just none last week.

BuckeyeRocket

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

Cardale had a QBR of 55.4 and averaged 2.5 YPC against Alabama. Sure, he made some timely plays but in reality, it was not near the preformance everyone makes it out to be.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Apparently, you forgot when JT went over the top and dropped a beautiful pass right into Parris Campbell's hands for a long TD.....wait never mind.  Parris Campbell dropped it.

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BuckeyeJason'sNation's picture

JT would have had 20 QB runs against Alabama and we would have lost, coaches gave the rock to Zeke when Cardale was the QB.

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Too much of 11W thinks "hating JT Barrett" and "thinking someone else should be starting QB" are the same things.

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aj99's picture

Quite true.  You can celebrate his accomplishments and play another qb.  It's possible to do both. I like him. He's been a great player.  But it's not his team.  It's not the OSU Barretts.  So, if I'm coach I'm doing everything I can to help the team win.  That means I set aside my favorite people, favorite plays, etc. and selflessly do what is required to win, because that's the objective.

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WeGotBeets's picture

What does that even mean, "it's not his team"? Ignorant nonsense. This is JT's team, flaws and all. It's so funny to watch people blame JT for the offensive deficiencies when it's exactly the same thing that happened to Cardale. Both proved that they can lead an explosive offense. When Cardale was benched in 2015, did the offense suddenly and consistently dominate like in 2014? Nope. Do you think that putting in the entire 2nd team will magically make the team perform better? Maybe you don't, but too many 11W comments imply it. It's coaching and strategizing that needs adjustment. We've all seen what JT is capable of when the scheme is right.

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aj99's picture

Sorry I wasn't more clear. I wasn't saying he's not part of the team.  Obviously he is.  But he's not the reason the team exists.  The team is bigger than JT.  The team is bigger than any one player.  I agree with you 100% scheming has to change.  I think it has to change based on the talent you have. Clearly, JT isn't fitting the scheme.  Maybe he can't because of the injury history.  Maybe he can't because of the receivers.  So you either change the personnel or change the scheme.  I really don't think this is a JT issue.  I think it's a Meyer issue.  I think any other coach in the nation would change the scheme to fit JT and allow the OC to have the lead in that process. A wise leader will recognize the need to change and then lead the changes even if it requires him to swallow some pride.  I haven't seen evidence of this with Meyer yet.  Let's see what happens.  Should be a fun ride.

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WeGotBeets's picture

I see your point. Fair enough. cheers!
 

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Cooper's picture

Exactly, they're mutually exclusive.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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cdub4's picture

It's the tone that people take. Thinking another QB may do a better job and disrespecting the young man ARE NOT mutually exclusive.

​Too many people on 11W don't know the difference in thinking "Let's see what another QB can do" and "JT is garbage, he sucks" That's the problem I have. Some of the comments and their tone are embarrassing.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

And I've said repeatedly, game time is NOT the time to play "Lets see what happens if...."  

Practice?  yes.  Game Day?  no.  So, Urban and his band of merry men may be doing that now.  We just don't know it.  And since practices are closed, we never will.

But people need to quit acting like, lets try this, and if it doesn't work, I'll just hit the reset button on my PS4.  (God I miss that game!)

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cdub4's picture

Saban was able to get his TRUE freshman QB playing time this weekend in a predetermined spot. I see no reason why OSU couldn't do the same thing with a redshirt freshman or redshirt sophomore in the upcoming weeks.

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CincyOSU's picture

Too much of 11W thinks "hating JT Barrett" and "thinking someone else should be starting QB" are the same things.

Did you forget this statement when you created one of the all time worst forum posts in the history of 11W?

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BroJim's picture

Much needed. 

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addman1405's picture

Great article. Now, go shout at the mouth breathers who want Joe Burrow as QB in the forums. 

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andretolstoy's picture

I like the Troy Smith comparison. Other than Troy had Gonzo, Ginn Jr, and Jenkins to throw too. Troy was throwing those guys open, you know.   

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McLovin2.0's picture

and Jenkins

Michael Jenkins was selected in the 2004 NFL Draft.

Maybe you meant Santonio Holmes in the '04/'05 seasons with Troy? Or Robiskie in '06?

What, are you trying to be an Irish R&B singer??

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andretolstoy's picture

You're absolutely right. I stand corrected.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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COhio Buckeye's picture

PS: Troy never threw to Jenkins. He left after the 2003 season, and was drafted 29th overall by the Falcons. 

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Very well, then. I'm resigned to the fact that JTB IV will continue to be the field general for the balance of the 2017 season.

So I don't care how it's done- defense, special teams, meat-grinding signature Buckeyes' ground game, or even if Barrett doesn't do a blessed thing but hand the ball off-  but win the rest of the darned ball games. That's all. Just win, Baby.

Go Bucks.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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German Buckeye's picture

So agree with this. I don't give a hot damn if we aren't "balanced" and spread the ball.  I'll go for pounding the rock for 60 plays (to our excellent RBs) and throwing 15 times if it means we control the clock, end up getting a 25 yd field goal and our defense comes out crazy fresh and puts the snack down on opposing offenses. Let's  win 17-3 every week AS LONG AS WE WIN.  JT can certainly manage to hand off and execute a read option once in a while. 

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Lucky Buckeye 13's picture

Just being honest, I have felt bad over the last few days watching everyone (including myself) wanting a change at QB. But reading this has brought clarity to this situation. We as fans love this team like no other. Honestly, I have never seen passion for any team like I have Buckeye fans. I know for my family, it's more than just a game on Saturday's. It's a way of life. Imagine the passion JT has for this team... he doesn't take short cuts, he truly gives it his all. He is by all means the definition of a leader... doing so by example, by not giving up or wavering even when the very people who love him are clamoring for his removal. So thank you for this, as it was needed to get my head on straight because if there's one thing I want to be as a fan.... that is loyal, as loyal as JT has been to us. It may not end up being our best season but for everything he's done for us, we owe it to him to support him.

Lucky Buckeye 13

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LawClub's picture

Everyone didn't want him benched.  But welcome back.

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High St Hooligan's picture

Awesome read. While I've hopped off the JT bandwagon, watching JT's career highlights prove to me that he's can be a more than capable QB. I think someone commented early in the week that this team doesn't appear to have the 'swagger' about them that we've seen in the past when they've been on a roll. Hopefully we see that energy come back this week.

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lakejamesbuck's picture

It is so easy to forget all of the great things JT has done for the Buckeyes. This brings it all back to reality. Thank you JT for 4 great years and hopefully an even greater 5th year. I hope he gets the Championship he deserves! It is so hard to understand all the sacrifices he makes along with all the other Buckeyes. Thank you to all of them!!!

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NEBuckeye's picture

Well done Ramzy, well done.

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NYWoodyFan's picture

In the history department, they call this a redemption narrative, even a hagiography of Meyer and Barrett. Most fans see a "declensionist narrative" of decline at Ohio State based on statistical outcomes and from limited primary observation. Which narrative will prevail in the end?

Even JT's critics admire his heroic performance with a torn ACL against the evil White out.

i think the issue is actually what is best for JT and the team. I don't think you can run up tempo zone offense 80 plays with one quarterback. The best thing for JT and the team is to share the playbook and the reps. Let JT be JT when he is in there--full go, run when the run is there, smash mouth and play action. And let the new QB and coordinator emerge with the other 40 reps.

Matt

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

In the history department, they call this a redemption narrative, even a hagiography of Meyer and Barrett. Most fans see a "declensionist narrative" of decline at Ohio State based on statistical outcomes and from limited primary observation. Which narrative will prevail in the end?

Yours is a great observation, NY, and one that I'd readily subscribe to as well.

Knowing Ramzy's fondness for literary allusions, I looked up the original title of the book that he's borrowed from. It's essentially a story written about a young man whose ambition to become a world-renowned writer is ended when he dies in the Lockerbie plane bombing. The gist (I think) is that his surviving brother has to write a memoir to honor his deceased brother's unfulfilled dream.

JTB's aspiration is to win a National Championship. Whether that goal can be realized by him- or others on the Buckeye team- will be the narrative for the balance of this, his last season as an Ohio State Buckeye.

Go Bucks.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Milk Steak To Go's picture

I'd settle for a declemsonist narrative, myself.

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txbucknut's picture

Incredible piece of work and extremely grounding. Thanks for bringing all that JT has done for this squad back into perspective, Ramzy. 

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ohiopanda's picture

Hoping the coaches get the damn offense together and functioning very soon - JT deserves it. I believe JT can get it done with a legitimate offensive plan, as he has in the past (not the junk of the last 2+ seasons).

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buckeyepastor's picture

Because he's not trusting, not getting the ball out in a timely manner, not battling for the tough extra yards with his legs, in a word not DISTRIBUTING, not raising the level of those around him - I am eager to see what sort of efficiency in the pass game the other QBs on the roster can provide.   

But all of that said - I can't argue against a word of what Ramzy shared here.   Even though he's regressed, even though it's been a long while since we've seen that "2014 MSU or 2015 TTUN" sort of performance out of him, we all know it's there.   I think it's safe to say Barrett hasn't gotten the "yips" or anything like that, and that his toughness, his presence, his leadership and demeanor and a lot of other intangibles are huge assets to an offense where receivers and the right side of the line are not meeting expectations.   

And Ramzy is also right about the thing that matters most.  Meyer trusts and believes in Barrett at QB.   Even if fan polls had JTBIV's approval rating at 0%, Meyer's trust and what he and the staff see is all that matters.   We all need to be self-aware enough to acknowledge that.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Well-written article and it encapsulates perfectly why most of my scorn and vitriol has been directed towards Meyer and the coaching staff rather than JTB. JT doesn't have a competent offensive line or WR corps (at least two straight years now, closer to three) and his coaches refuse to put him and the rest of the team in position to succeed. JT certainly has made some awful decisions - and even worse throws - the last couple years, but he is absolutely not the primary reason for our offensive woes. Who is that person? Some combination of Urban Meyer, Greg Studrwa and Zack Smith. 

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Scorn & vitriol?!

It's young men in their 20's playing a goddamn game.

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Which is why I said that it was directed towards the men being paid millions of dollars to coach said young men. Did you read my comment? :)

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

People will go from hating Barrett after Saturday, to lauding him because of Ramzy's charming writing prowess, to back to hating Barrett when Army almost certainly keeps the game close for a while on Saturday (and I don't mean that as an insult to Barrett, I say that because Army's a good squad).

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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Ethos's picture

I don't hate barrett, i just want SOMETHING to change.  I don't care if its a QB change, who calls the plays change, WR coaching change, maybe naming some actual starters instead of saying "no everybody starts! we love everybody!".  

just SOMETHING.

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

I mean, I agree with you wholeheartedly. But there are those who never want to see Barrett take another snap because "he sucks".

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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Cincybuckeye's picture

I think the population that thinks that JT sucks is a very small population.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Generally speaking, the dumbest amongst any population are also those most willing to be the loudest.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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allinosu's picture

Did you not see the 80% wanting him replaced in the poll on here. Other sites it's worse yet.

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

Agreed, they are just very loud and obnoxious about it.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

As is the crowd bashing the WRs.

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GoldenBuckeye's picture

And, frankly, everyone except Barrett.

The Ohio State University
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Mississippi_buck's picture

I'll be the bad guy. Great article well written but Barrett has never been that good of a qb. Always been a system qb that benefited from having literally an NFL team around him playing in a down big 10 his fr year. He doesn't throw players open can't even throw a back shoulder pass accurately. Y'all literally blame his failures on everyone but him. That emotional stuff shouldn't guard him from the fact that he's not accurate when we play talented teams.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

"Emotional stuff" also shouldn't guard you from facts. That "down" big ten certainly had one helluva bowl season... I mean that Buckeye team and postseason performance of the conference changed the perception of the big ten.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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LouBuck35's picture

Three-time team captain, 2016 Silver Football Winner, 1st-team All-B1G 2014 & 2016, 3rd-team AA 2014, B1G Freshman of the Year 2014, B1G QB of the Year 2016, Fiesta Bowl MVP, school record holder for career TDs, passing TDs, total yards in a season, average total yards in a season, season TDs, season passing TDs, TDs in a game, passing TDs in a game (twice, tied with himself), completions in a season, career completions, career passing yards per game, 200-yard passing games in career, passing efficiency in a season, most 200-yard games in a season, most 200-yard games in career, most 300-yard games in a season, most 300-yard games in career, most 400-yard games in a season, most wins by a 1st-year starting QB, most rushing yards by a QB in a game, longest rush by a QB. B1G record holder for TDs in a season, freshman of the week awards in a season, should break the B1G record for total career TDs this month.

So I guess every system QB should have this list of achievements then. 

Also good to see everyone got their talking points memo with "throw the receivers open" again.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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Mississippi_buck's picture

Lol those are padded stats my guy. The fact that he owns all those records and will go undrafted tells us he's a system quarterback. Let any decent qb start 4 years for Urban in the big ten with the kind of talent he's had around him and they would break a lot of records to. Those records mean nothing BC he doesn't perform against good teams point blank. Those stats mainly came against the Rutgers, Marylands, and Purdue's of the world. Don't be a stats guy judge for your own eyes

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BbBnD's picture

Those records and awards absolutely do mean something. What they don't mean is JT is capable of making elite throws and beating elite defenses. Based on everything we've seen over the last 2+ seasons, he can't. I'd love it if he proved me wrong. 

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buckeyepastor's picture

The thing is, others didn't.  Explosive talent and good QBs in Cooper years don't hold those single game and single season records.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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stxbuck's picture

I imagine Kenny Guiton could have put up some pretty similar stats if he had a few years of eligibility left for Urban. Someone had to play QB in 14'-and that someone was Barrett. He did a great job-but since since you ask the question, shouldn't every 5th year QB w/ that list of stats should show some progression in skills, as opposed to regression? Do you think if the Sept. 9th, 2014 of JT Barrett was playing in the Horseshoe on Saturday, the team would have seen an appreciably better result?

Watching JT Barrett play QB against quality defenses was like watching Bronson Arroyo pitch for the Reds this year-it's not about heart/passion/doing great things for the team/leadership/blah,blah,blah-it's about knowing someone is overmatched, skill-wise. The only difference is that Arroyo was fully self aware that this might happen when the Reds brought him in-he was paid 500K to give it a shot! The Emperor Has No Clothes is apparently not recommended reading in the Meyer household.

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45has2's picture

You forgot about his throws to the dirt in the flats.

Censores irrumasti.

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mugbucket's picture

As always, saying what some of us think, just much more better.

Thanks Ramzy.

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DaiTheFlu's picture

I think you mean most betterer.

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mugbucket's picture

Yup. That two.

Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I think its supposed to be to? Write?

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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Oh Aych's picture

I see what you did they're.

I(dah)O

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ALLBUCKEYEALLTHETIME's picture

I for one am cautiously optimistic. 2014 seems like ages ago and I agree that it is easy to forget some of the games early in that year because of the way we finished. Until I see it on the field I remain confident that we will beat the inferior teams, struggle against the mediocre teams and loose to the elite teams. I will be more than happy to eat my crow when we start steam rolling people and I will be gracious in accepting the "told you so." But i remember the quote after the Clemson game, "We will become a better passing team." That is what the off season is for, and it did not happen. Tired of the talk and it's time to deliver. Go Bucks! Beat Army!

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

Its only two games into the season. They still have time to right the ship in the passing game. I know it gets old referencing 2014 but there are similarities. At the end of the 2013 season our pass defense was the problem. It didnt look great at the start of 2014. Gave up 350 plus yards and 4 tds to cincinatti but they fixed it by the end of the season. Things can certainly change over the course of the next seven weeks. 

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bivium6's picture

At the end of the 2013 season our pass defense was the problem. It didnt look great at the start of 2014.

This makes me feel better. It's not the last game that worries me, or that we've lost 2 of the last three, it's how close we are to having lost 4 of the last 5.

I imagine players avoid reading about themselves but it'd be cool if JT found this article.

"I believe that when we write things down, we begin the process of activating the fundamentals in our lives." - Jim Tressel

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Hovenaut's picture

Reaffirms where I am now. 

I'll accept any changes, but I won't call for them. 

Go Buckeyes, go JT.

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Cincybuckeye's picture

Oh good. I was worried for a second that your calling for a QB change would convince Urban.

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Hovenaut's picture

Oh I must've started a thread for that...

..and completely forgot about it. 

So much reads this week, so much.

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Cincybuckeye's picture

Personally, I think we need more JT threads. Start another one.

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Desymond's picture

Honest question: Do we need more JT threads?

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wilkins0802's picture

I'm ashamed of myself.

Truth & Courage, 1-17IN, 5/2 SBCT

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

I do feel bad for him. His future is not in football. I hope he has success whatever he does because he is a smart young man. I am hopeful that we move on with class. Maybe he should step down as starter and ceremonially hand the ball to Dwayne. It is ok JT we still love you.

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osu_killernuts's picture

If you can prove to me that the "six starting WRs" are all doing their jobs and that this is 100% on JT, then we can have a coronation ball and anoint Dwayne as the heir apparent to the next greatest QB at OSU ever.

I'm not throwing stones, but I am confident that our WRs can't react naturally when facing zone defenses. I have seen so many curl and comeback routes and WRs stopping and looking at JT instead of adjusting and continuing the route or properly breaking off the route....it is sickening.

It's more than JT and Haskins, Burrow and/or Martell is not the answer. It's a system issue, not an exclusive QB issue.

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denniscolumbus's picture

Well done as ever Ramey! JT is, was and will be one of my favorite Buckeyes ever to lace them up. 

Class of 2001 - classless since then.

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CampusBuckeyeOHIO's picture

Hell yes. Great piece of writing. 

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GIBS_STI's picture

One thing I would fix is I would have Tom Rinaldi read this. That is all.

Serious note. The entire offense has work to do. Not just JT.

Fortune favors the bold.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

I'm going to say something borderline heretical. Again. The fact is, the league has Urban Meyer figured out. How much more apparent does that need to be? We changed our entire coaching staff (nearly), and there's one constant--UFM. Not saying anything close to "FIRE URBAN!!!" I'm not a crackhead. NO, I'm saying that the enemy has cracked our code like the Allies did the Nazis in WWII. Time to change the code. There was some Wisconsin secondary coach last year that basically--before we faced them--broke down our offense (correctly!!) into six plays. SIX. And he was right. And nothing has changed. We rely almost 100% on superior athleticism of our players as compared to our opponents'. We have to adapt and overcome. Prince is getting embarrassed on the ride side of the line? WELL DEAL WITH IT. Run a bubble screen to that side or something. Don't just throw up our hands and say "welp, we got beat over there again!" It is what it is. But put me in the camp of "prove to us you can stop our runs and quick slants." Not many will. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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Sgt. Elias's picture

Bingo.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

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cdub4's picture

I agree with your statements.

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Jdadams01's picture

When someone shows me a video of Barrett throwing a WR open in '16 or '17 (don't show me videos of Brown making ridiculous catches against Oklahoma, those were not great throws), I'll change my mind. Ramzy, I am one of your biggest followers, and have been for a long time, but you're referencing things JT did a lifetime ago (in college football terms). And even in the magical '14 season, Barrett did not carve up many defenses with his arm. The '14 MSU game was great statistically, but those throws to Devin Smith were not Brady-esque, Smith was just better at the deep ball than any college DB could defend. We have built up JT in our minds as this once great passer that he never was. Why are we arguing with knowledgeable defensive coaches like Tom Allen? 

Blame the receivers (they do deserve some of it) and blame the coaches (ditto), but the defensive strategy being used by these teams is more an indictment of JT. Oklahoma consistently dropped 8 defenders into zone coverage on passing downs which puts the onus on the QB to fit the ball into tight windows. Oklahoma (and Indiana, Clemson, Michigan, and MSU before them) didn't think he could do it and they were right. Yes, the WRs have dropped a few downfield passes that were very catchable, but those passes are the exception, not the rule.

Meyer knew all of these wonderful things that you outline about JT in 2015 and guess what? He still started Cardale. Because he knew that Cardale's arm and size presented an opportunity for the OSU offense to go to a level that JT can't take it. Their ceiling with Cardale was higher. Cardale could not consistently make the reads necessary to get the offense humming, though. And even after JT was inserted back in, they rode Zeke, not JT, to victories.

JT is in his fourth season as OSU QB and only one of them was as great as you make it seem. 

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DaiTheFlu's picture

I agree with most of what you wrote, except the part about JT's throws in the 2014 MSU game. The TD to Devin right before halftime and the 3rd and 23 throw to Devin Smith were two of the most perfectly thrown passes in recent Buckeye QB history.

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Jdadams01's picture

You must have a very low opinion of Troy Smith, then. The TD to Devin was as easy a pitch and catch as JT has ever had. Devin had 5 yards between him and the defenders. JT just had to chuck it downfield. On the 3rd and 23 play, it was not as great a throw as I think you are remembering. Watching the play happen live, it looked like a fantastic throw. Until you watch the replay that focuses on Devin and you notice his subtle changes in his route and how he slows to adjust to the ball. He also deftly uses his body to shield the defender from the throw and make the catch. Watching JT, it was more of a heave then some kind of precision throw. Play starts at 44:54 - 

It was not the perfect throw that we seem to remember.

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Lol, the 3rd and 23 was a PHENOMENAL throw. Both announcers even comment to that end. Devin clearly made a great catch but JTB out it in a tight window to where his guy was the only one who could catch it. We haven't seen JT throw anything close to that since then.

And to my "recent Buckeye QB history" comment, I meant the last few years. I guess I wouldn't consider 11 years ago to be all that recent, but maybe it is. We obviously haven't had a competent passing QB since Troy, who's the 2nd best pure passer at Ohio State in my lifetime, behind Joe (not Bauserman).

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Also, if that long TD was an "easy pitch and catch", we certainly should have had literally dozens of them since. I can probably count comparable passes from JTB thrown since that night on two hands.

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LawClub's picture

Smith did a great job, yes, but your description of that GREAT throw as a "heave" is hugely bogus. and shows your bias.  Ridiculous.

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Jdadams01's picture

Not biased at all. I pushed hard for JT to be starting over Cardale in '15 because he was the right choice then. I've defended him on here many times. But that throw was not some transcendent play by JT. If it was, Devin would not have had to break stride at all or adjust to the ball. He comes back from his read on the left and steps and chucks it that direction. The best part about the throw is that he trusted Devin to make a play, which Devin did. Watching it in real time, it was a great play, but more by Devin than JT. Devin Smith made those catches look easy and that's why JT (and Cardale) got the credit they did for the long passes to him.

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stxbuck's picture

You must have been reading my mind when I rewatched the 14' MSU game last week. The pass to Smith was a fairly soft lob, he got wide open and shielded his body to catch the moon shot.

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DCBuckeye33's picture

When you watch the highlight package that Ramzy linked, he looks so so much different in the pocket in some of the older clips. Less choppy with his feet, more sturdy and looking downfield. He just doesnt have the same look as he did, and I am not sure why. He needs to regain some that confidence in the pocket and start trusting the WR. I am not sure if it is something that can happen this season, but he is going to get the chance to try, and I am fine with it. Let's see if they can get some things ironed over the next couple weeks and be ready to go for october.

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PNWBuckeye's picture

I completely agree.  His pocket presence has completely changed for the worse.  I think it's a lot more clear in person than on TV.  The pocket presence difference between JT and Watson in the Fiesta Bowl was like night and day.  Watson would stand tall and scan the field no matter what was coming at him.  JT would instantly get jittery with his feet.

Really hoping the coaching staff can help him get his confidence and swagger back.  It's hard to be optimistic after what we've seen the last 3 games.

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Grisle's picture

Everyone loves to point to the 2014 season, this is nothing like that. That team was young with new starters all over the field. This team has a 5th year QB that has gotten worse by every statistical measurement since 2014. I like JT, he's probably a decent guy but he's not been the same since 2014. DV away but I'm done with not believing what my eyes have been telling me the since 2015.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I feel horrible on the subject of J.T.  Love the guy and all he stands for and I want him to succeed in the worst way, as do all of us Buckeye fans.  Having said that, it is so fucking painful watching games like the last one and not screaming for a change!  I seriously don't know how to look at this mess right now!  I certainly don't want to trash J.T. because he has done so much for the university, the fans, and the football team.  However, it appears that with him at the helm, we will need to lower our expectations about the offense and the ability to reach the playoffs without suffering another 31-0 thrashing.  Sigh....

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osu_killernuts's picture

I was frustrated and remained frustrated and am still currently frustrated until I read this article. It definitely gave me perspective on the state of OSU football.

Thank you Ramzy for getting my mind back to where it should be. 100 things and 90 are positive.....don't focus on the 10 shortcomings, do what you need to do to correct and fix the issue and grow.

Glass is more than half full and us fans are spoiled with winning, that's reality. 

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

"Right. #Distributor. Making decisions and reads at the line and then everywhere else. No one on Ohio State's roster has performed that better since Troy Smith. No one on the current roster is close."

This is what he needs to go back to. Problem solved...

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Mississippi_buck's picture

Kinda reminds me of Christian hackenburg at Penn state. Everyone complained about his oline defending him then year he leaves Mcsorley comes out there and helps his oline and receivers come along by being decisive. A great 4 year starter quarterback should be able to mask some of the problems. But he doesn't excel unless the talent around him is head and shoulders over the opposing teams talent.

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saltybuck61's picture

This is an interesting comparison, and I had never thought of it this way.

I will say, to Ramzy's point, the demeanor of the two couldn't be more different. Barrett looks the same all the time. He is always in control, he never gets too emotional, and he is always focused on the task at hand. Hackenburg, on the other hand, was an absolute disaster after his freshman year with Bill O'Brian. He complained after every offensive series and would give up on half of the plays. JT doesn't do that. That's the difference between the two. 

That is the only reason why I can't fully agree with you. JT is in control and always working while Hackenburg gave up and cried about it. Two completely different players.

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Mississippi_buck's picture

Good point saltybuck. Yes jt does keep a calm demeanor.

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ZMBucks's picture

Barrett threw his receivers open all the damn time. You might not remember that. Meyer does.

 I remember it, and it's time for that to happen again. It's time to just let it go, don't worry about the consequence. JT has thought too much since the 2015 QBgeddon debacle.

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RodVedder4's picture

#TeamJT

Always have been, always will be. Go Bucks.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Thank you Ramzy! I love what JT has done for this program band am grateful for his contributions to the magical 2014 season. However, I really do think that all of the physical and psychological damage have taken their toll on him. He's indecisive because of the play calling and defensive looks, hesitant to tuck it and run, hesitant to let the ball go, because he's hesitant to trust his receivers, and has happy feet in the pocket due to poor line play ever since 2015. The QB derby in 2015 was also a huge blow to his confidence. In short, I really do think that the staff (from Meyer to Beck to even Smith and Studrawa) have failed him continually and, for all intents and purposes, ruined him.

I hope I'm wrong, but when I've seen Barrett face any respectable defense since the 2014 season began, I can see that he is just not the same. The glimpses of that 2014 magic have become fewer and farther between. It would be one helluva storybook ending if he somehow rallies the troops, wins out and avenges last year's PSU loss en route to the CFP, where he avenges his losses to Clemson and Oklahoma. If Barrett truly is the only QB on the roster capable of leading this team to this promised land, then clearly that's exactly what I, and every other Buckeye fan, wants to see. Go JT! Go Bucks! 

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LawClub's picture

"However, I really do think that all of the physical and psychological damage have taken their toll on him. He's indecisive because of the play calling and defensive looks, hesitant to tuck it and run, hesitant to let the ball go, because he's hesitant to trust his receivers, and has happy feet in the pocket due to poor line play ever since 2015. The QB derby in 2015 was also a huge blow to his confidence. In short, I really do think that the staff (from Meyer to Beck to even Smith and Studrawa) have failed him continually and, for all intents and purposes, ruined him."

The fans haven't helped, either.

He's not ruined, though. Ye of Little Faith.

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JacksonOhio5's picture

Great article, Ramzy.

Really hoping that the offensive problems get fixed and the Buckeyes have a great season for JT.  He definitely deserves it.  He has been a great Buckeye!

Go Bucks!

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LWiegand91's picture

One of the few smart things I have heard on the sport news shows ( from Greg McElroy) is that JT is playing scared, like he is afraid to make the big mistake. In 2014 he played fearless. He holds the ball looking for the receivers to be wide open, doesn't anticipate anymore, doesn't trust the reads on coverage. He used to and can again, but Wilson and Day have to drive that into him, again. 

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Keze's picture

So you are telling me an underclassman at QB can work?

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Meyer also believes his playbook isn't antiquated, to be fair.

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BeatTTUN's picture

Hold onto 16 as long as you can 

Thank you Ramzy 

Go Buckeyes 

Beat Michigan 

Beat Army 

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513Buckeye's picture

Exactly what I've felt and yet had trouble articulating in the face of the absolute maelstrom of Barrett criticism since last Saturday.  Thank you Ramzy for being a guiding light to the (unfortunately large) element of this fanbase who have been conditioned to expect success without adversity, possibly as a result of the ridiculous amount of success that BARRETT HIMSELF has had a significant hand in producing these past 5 years.

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Rizzoni's picture

I have nothing against JT. He gives his 100% every single time. And of course, he can't (and shouldn't) bench himself. That responsibility belongs to Urban Meyer and he is not fulfilling his responsibility.

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3SticksBucks's picture

JT is still awful at throwing the football down field!

I'm being polite!

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Bamabucknut's picture

Agree. Three games in a row our QB has been shown up by the  opposing game QB's. Why is it Clemson,Oklahoma,and Indiana don't have problems ......in fact they excel in the passing game...... yet we fail ?

I say put another qb in the game. See if they struggle connecting. Then we will know if it is JT ...or the receivers. THEN...be ready to accept the answer and lets move on.

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chefjoey's picture

You brought a tear to my eye. WE GON BE AIIGHT

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_Patches's picture

I think people just want to see anything change. The fact was that everyone expected things to at least be different all off season, even if results weren't immediate (although everyone would still have high expectations). It's tough being let down after waiting 8 months only to see the same stuff, and a QB switch is the quickest, most immediate, and drastic thing that comes to mind. I see no reason why the offense can't improve with JT leading these guys, but that means changes need to be made somewhere else.

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Facemeat2's picture

What have you done for me lately? Peyton Manning got benched for Brock Osweiler. Welcome to football.

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Buctor's picture

WOW!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

Thanks Ramzy. I wish I knew a way to force every Buckeye fan in the world to read this and truly understand and appreciate it.

Go J.T. 

Go Bucks!

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MNBuck's picture

Mark my words. The Oklahoma loss will benefit this team more than winning would have. Our chances for a National Championship are much stronger now in my opinion.

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Waiter, I'll have what ^MNBuck is having.

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LawClub's picture

This is true. Calipari wants UK to lose a game or two before the tournament.  The Pats lost that Superbowl when they were undefeated.

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Trebor40's picture

JT is my second favorite QB to play at tOSU, and my first was not a great passer and certainly no the runner that JT is. Craig Krenzel was and is my all time favorite QB, yet if you look back at Craig and his career it becomes easy to see why JT is my second favorite QB even in the face of several more talented at the position. JT has suffered and struggled, failed and been mocked, been broken and forgotten, yet he has blamed no one else for ANY OF IT, AND I BELIEVE HE NEVER WILL! I have been in terrible places and done horrible things yet I have looked into the eyes of this man and believe he will sacrifice what must be to get it done! The sad truth is when he has been in charge of a primary running attack we have been difficult to defeat yet when our primary focused has been a passing attack JT's as well as others short comings move to the fore. Please let us dust off that JT red zone package of 2015 regular season and the full bowl game and see what comes of it! In closing I truly love well written material, and Ramzy you clearly have quality skills and a love for the program. Thank you for this. Yet if we do not play to the strengths of JT and the offensive line + backs then let us bring in a young QB who is a pocket passer and throw the ball 30-35 times!

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OSU1978's picture

exactly zero reliable difference makers to distribute to once again.

Ohio State, for the second straight season, has not provided Barrett with a single receiving target he trusts or even favors.

"again"?  Nice passionate article but Curtis Samuel was a second round NFL pick last year.  Noah Brown was a difference maker and play maker vs Oklahoma last year - sure seemed like he could have been able to be more of a play maker after the Oklahoma game than he was.  Despite limited stats, Dallas drafted him and kept him on the roster.  

2015 was pretty much glossed over.  Despite having the following NFL players in 2015 (Michael Thomas, Jalin Marshal, Braxton Miller, Curtis Samuel, Ezekiel Elliott and Nick Vannett), JT wasn't able to combine a 120+ passing yard attack w/ a 130+ PE except against Rutgers which finished 119th in S&P+ defensive ranking.

While OSU doesn't have an established receiver in 2017, that is partially because his 2 top targets left for the NFL last year and his 3rd leading target Dontre graduated.

I do think the issues were wide spread in 2016 and so far in 2017, but JT is included in that. 

While JT might not have trusted his receivers last year, the feeling seems to be mutual.  Corey Smith has called for a QB change and now Noah Brown is making some interesting comments on twitter.

Go Bucks!

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AZBuck LHC's picture

I've always been a fan of JTB and he has been a great leader at Ohio State. Sadly, I don't think he has been the same player since his injury in 2014 against TTUN. He had a stellar 2014 season with the exception of the VT game, but I should point out that the Michigan State game was the only game against a ranked Team where had an outstanding passing performance......the others came against OOC opponents and lower tier BIG teams. Since his return in 2015 he seems to have lost a step on his speed(Could be the bulky brace he wears) and he tends to be more tentative in the pocket. To be fair, he has also been diminished by poor play-calling and some shaky performances by the O-line and receiver group(Especially in 2016 & 2017). Nevertheless, he will go down as solid QB and a GREAT captain and leader.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I can't believe anyone can read this article and still hold their opinion that the problem is JT.  Players say its not JT.  Former Players say its not JT.  Urban says its not JT.  And now, the loudest authority of all, RAMZY!!!! says its not JT.  Yet some on here continue to say, "All those people are full of shit,  I'm right.  I'm a former coach on playstation in NCAA2012 and I know more than all these people."

Their representation of their knowledge sounds like Michigan fans claiming their program is the greatest in college football because they won a couple of self designated Rugby Championships in 1898.

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

To pretend that JT isn't part of the problem is pretty ignorant.  And no, that doesn't mean Haskins is the solution.  It just means JT is part of the problem.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

So, Urban Meyer is ignorant?  Zach Boren is ignorant?  (I dare you to tell him to his face).  

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I don't recall Urban ever stating that JT wasn't part of the problem.  He said they have numerous problems, which is true.  And yes, Zach Boren's statement that all of this is on the WRs is indeed ignorant.  This isn't all on any one position, but it's pretty clear that the QB and the WRs are part of the problem.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I didn't realize that we had someone posting on the boards who is on the team, in the locker room and at practice so that he had as much knowledge of the situation of actually Ohio State football players.  Apparently, you think Ramzy is ignorant too.

And yes, Urban has said that JT is not the issue.  "If we fix the problems we have, he'll be fine."

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

When you have a QB who can't hit a 10-yard out route in the endzone (KJ Hill was wide open) or hit a wide open Parris Campbell also 10-15 yards down field when the game is already out of hand and there is zero pressure, then you have a QB who is part of the problem. Those aren't nearly the extent of his issues, either. Just two recent examples. Keep pretending that his arm/passing doesn't present issues, though.

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Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Ditto, what Ramzy said.

Plus, I believe it would be the height of hubris to criticize 18-22 year old young men for their performances on the field of play while they are doing things with talent and athleticism that many of us never possessed.

Nor can I find fault with young men who must endure weeks of conditioning, practice, meetings and everything else playing Division 1 football entails, while at the same time playing school, and in this case graduating.

And I find it inherently inequitable and unwarranted to cast aspersions against a young man who fought through multiple injuries, who played hurt (You Gotta Play Hurt) and who despite all that, continues to set QB and offensive records.

Finally, I refuse to allow my sense of self and my very happiness to be determined by a group of 18-22 year old young men. I am the master of my own domain, and I have learned that I must rely upon my own limited resources for those things. And that's O.K. with me. So I take the L, suffer through it and will myself to move on. The future is bright. And whatever it brings, it will be a helluva ride.

Thanks for this metaphor Ramzy: 

He's Methuselah with a letter jacket.

That just took second place in my collection of all time great metaphors and similes. It follows this simile by James Crumley:

The lawyer's smile was as innocent as the first martini.

You are keeping great company.

Bobbing for french fries.

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osu129's picture

Is JT playing well? No. Is he the only one? No.  

The most visible guy typically gets undue credit, or he gets undue blame.  A tale as old as time. 

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UpIrons's picture

I love JT and everything he does, and has done, for us. But I think we owe it to the team as a whole to look at every possible option in order to fix this offense. Maybe letting another QB play will only show that JT in fact was not the issue. It's like when I troubleshoot things at work, I try to rule out the obvious first. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

At this level, with a coach like Urban Meyer, I don't think "lets try this" is acceptable.  I damn sure know that Urban doesn't believe that.  Lets not forget that he is a master psychologist.  So, if the problems are only mental, he'll fix them.

I still maintain that if there is any one facet of the offense to blame its Zone 6.  In fact, Urban ought to revoke that name until they earn it back.  Fickell revoked the moniker Silver Bullets at one point until the defense got its act together.  But right now, Zone 6 is a shit storm.

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UpIrons's picture

Except that it did happen before. When Cardale became the starting QB in 2015 and it wasn't working, he did the old "let's try this" and put JT in initially as the "Red Zone Specialist". I know sometimes they don't get quite enough practice time pre-season and there is nothing like real games to find out where your team truly stands. But the fact that he is unwilling to even try another QB at this point means he knows deep down what the problem is, so all we can do is trust him again.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

That was not a seat of the pants decision.  It was discussed in meetings and implemented during gameplanning and practice.  That was a strategic decision with an expectation of results.  It wasn't a "lets see if this works."  It was, this damn sure better work or Cardale is sitting.  And it didn't and he did.

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stxbuck's picture

"Master pyschologist". Sorry-an undergrad psych degree does NOT make one the Carl Jung of the gridiron..........

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

So, everyone in the sport has said that one of Urban's strengths is his ability to motivate.  But you think he's just another goofball huh?And I'm pretty sure his Masters in Sports Administration centered on sports psychology.

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stxbuck's picture

If you are the type of person who jives on Tony Robbins-corporate psych feel good say nothing of substance bs-good for you. I'm not-and think over reliance on that stuff is for intellectually weak people. His rah rah speeches and cliches make for good fodder for sportswriters, so they eat it up to fill bandwidth.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

No. But as someone who spent most of my life in business management and now owns my own business, I DO know about how to motivate, develop and retain employees.  And that means, that even though I don't have a degree in psychology, I recognize its value and the tools it provides.  And don't with a broad brush paint it as all bullshit.  Cuz when you use too broad of a brush you end up getting the bullshit on yourself.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

THANK YOU, Ramzy da god.

Being a fan of OSU in the age of internet rage has been challenging and embarrassing.

I get the passion but we are reaching levels of insanity with this JTB criticism... which by the way, almost every actual football expert does not attribute solely to JTB.

The perspective this article gives is timely and much needed. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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Sgt. Elias's picture

JT is what he is at this point. Now what? Perhaps an offensive scheme that gets your QB killed is a thing of the past. Defenses have caught up (yes you can still destroy scrubs but who cares). 4 years of hit after hit after hit...maybe JT's all used up? Urban makes a zillion dollars to innovate and win. Let Wilson do his job FFS. Maybe obtain a linebacker and WR coach whose hires are not essentially favors. JT is not "2014 JT" and neither is Urban. I want to stage an intervention at this point, "Be the CEO, not the CEO with a mop hovering behind your subordinates making everyone nervous". His ego will do him in, he's staring into the abyss...again. PSU will wreck this team unless a minor miracle occurs over the next few weeks. My expectations have backed waaaaaaay off at this point (feelsgoodman.jpg). That doesn't mean I won't be delusional (aka playoffs or bust) after the Bucks pound some weaker offerings. TL;DR Losing sucks. Massive egos suck.  

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EZE's picture

Great article. I've always been a JT supporter but after the game on Saturday even I felt like maybe it was time for a change, just to SEE if someone else at QB would help an excruciatingly frustrating offense. This article helps put it in perspective. He's the best guy, hands down.

Urban Meyer and a clever, innovative, tempo-oriented coach figured it out after a tough loss in 2014. I still have hope they'll bring it all together before the end.

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Bigmarty's picture

I have been around more than most and have seen some darn fine QBs become "ruined" by a combination of lack of consistency in receivers and inept offensive line pass protection.  Last year up front was a debacle.  I defy any QB to maintain a follow through with a 270 lb. defensive lineman "cramping" your style.  Swiss cheese replaced Hogs up front.  Timing, confidence, correct repetition were shattered.  Negative learned responses lead to an inconsistent, hesitant QB who lacked confidence in unskilled pattern runners and receivers getting little if any separation.  It happens at any level, NFL too, when a quality QB goes to a team with an OL who can't protect and/or limited talent at receivers. JT has suffered this.  Don't know how to fix it...playing another QB without the leadership skills and shown courage doesn't seem to be the answer at this time, IMHO.  Loyalty is some form of morality but we need not consider that here of all places.  For God's sake this is the real world, 2017, USA.  I didn't know if UFM had it in him...but he does.

It is what it is...our Buckeyes and hope the coverage, tackling, catching, blocking, scheming ALL get better. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

The most successful High School football coach in Ohio History once said that if he could get his players to execute properly, he could win with anyone's playbook.  He maintained that playcalling is overrated and that execution is more important.  Another coach I used to know (RIP) always maintained that a team loses a football game for one of two reasons:  Either the clock ran out too soon, or the players didn't execute properly.  If its the former, it was his fault for not managing the game properly.  If it was the latter it was his fault for not running practice the right way.

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Buckeyeneer's picture

Ramzy, pulling dudes off the ledge!!!!!

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

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rockyincbus's picture

Ramzy, I'm relatively new here but man I am a huge fan of your writing.  This is another great piece. Your writing catches the passion of what being a fan is all about and yet you are well-reasoned as well.  For the record, I think you go too far to defend your guy, and I bet JT himself would seethe at your quickness to blame his teammates for his struggles, particularly an offensive line who this year has given him more time in the pocket than any QB could ask.

An article like this is also well-placed considering the reality that JT is going to be the QB for the greatest university in the world and while some of us have been critical of him - and others - in this forum, we all better be behind all of these guys (including the right side of the line ;) when game day arrives.  Go Bucks and thanks Ramzy for what you do.
 

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

I love IT as much as anyone. One of my prized possessions is a video of my son catching a pass from JT at Cardales program this summer. On the flip side, I remain firm in my opinion that there are better options than JT. Eleven warriors nukes anti JT threads and then 5 minutes later posts a poll to vote on who you want at qb. Now they post a make up sex article. Is everyone here bi-polar?......I realize and accept JT Barrett is gonna be the guy no matter what, but think there are two guys behind him that have NFL potential. JT will not play in the NFL. He will make a great head coach some day.

"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa

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saltybuck61's picture

Different writers have different opinions on Ohio State and their players. The writers here don't post opinions based on the consensus of the staff at Eleven Warriors, they just write what they think. 

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Mississippi_buck's picture

Well I think we know who Ramzy's Valentine's is going to be this year lol. Nall I enjoy your work but this has participation trophy writing all over it. You play to win the game. Barrett can't win or even play well in the big ones.

If if was a fifth we'd all be drunk

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LawClub's picture

Barrett can't win or even play well in the big ones. 

C'mon.

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OSUAndy07's picture

That was a helluva read, Ramzy. Awesome.

"Samuel......Cuts it back......Ohio State wins!"

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OH-IO MAN's picture

I think the perfect word to sum up the last 3-4 games is frustration. I know we all remember JT breaking records left and right and throwing some amazing deep balls and carving up a defense with his legs. I know we all remember when Braxton got hurt and JT stepped in a blew our minds. I sure do. And more then anything I want to see that in a Buckeye offense again. I want him and our offense to blow my mind, I do like it when hes carving a defense with his legs. I love it even more when he places that perfectly thrown ball to a WR that has beat his man or is covered and it seems impossible that a WR could possibly make that catch. And I love it when records are falling left and right. We know it there we've seen we watched it. We know it can happen. I'm hoping history will repeat itself this year but only time will tell. It's just frustrating..

Our Honor Defend

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Forget the topic for a second.  I just want to say that other than Saturday of game week, the biggest day in my Buckeye world is Wednesday when the best writer on the internet drops his wyork for us.  Ramzy, your occupation may be in business management, but your vocation is clearly writing.

i don't always agree with you on Twitter, but your writing talent; particularly when you write about football; rivals my all time favorite: Dan Jenkins.  Time you spend helping run some corporation instead of writing, is time wasted.

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

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rockyincbus's picture

You've got barbecue back there?

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JObucks's picture

He's also never tried to plant a flag after a win. He'll always do us proud.

Go for 3.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

If he does, it won't be into a rubber field.

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d5k's picture

Clown show > Zone 6.  That is undeniable.  But this is not a simple problem to solve or it wouldn't still be broken.  Defensive coaches have studied Urban's offense for 12 years and Bud Foster was the first to completely dismantle it to its core weaknesses.  Since then, coaches have learned that Urban doesn't really know how to make you pay for putting 10 guys on the line of scrimmage.  JT is part of that problem with his inability to execute the offense as it is being called (late on throws, rolling out when he doesn't need to roll out).  But the main issue is scheme with Urban trying to beat the 10 man on LOS defenses with drop back passing rather than a holistic scheme of play action and RPOs that builds off of the running game (which still works even against those hyper-aggressive defenses!).  Run a slant off a run pass option and make 1 guy miss and it is a touchdown.  It doesn't have to be deep balls over the top, especially because the corners are lining up in press, but bailing at the snap.

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OhioAgainstTheWorld34's picture

As I read through this I couldn't help but to want to hit myself in the face for doubting JT Barrett IV... I firmly believe he is a great QB capable playing at an elite level.  The guy oozes leadership and is someone I am proud to have representing the Buckeyes.  I don't want douche bag Baker planting a flag on a turf surface or Lamar Jackson who's anything but a standup individual in losing efforts.  Give me JT and give me the guys in Scarlet & Gray here on out.

My eyes tell me that this team has deficiencies on both sides of the ball, but my gut says this haymaker we absorbed makes us better.  Barrett's Buckeyes get off the canvas and I am taking them every game here on out!  OHIO AGAINST THE WORLD!

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WriteMyWrong's picture

I will look back fondly on JTB's time at Ohio State, for all the reasons Ramzy mentioned, and more.

I also think that sometimes, it's better to look back fondly on an Ex because you ended things when you knew they wouldn't work out. This isn't about letting JT finish his career out just because of what he's done in the past; it's about what is best for the team for the future. I would be happy to leverage future successful seasons on whatever may come from playing young QB's right now. Would they play worse? Possibly (although, how much worse can it get?). But there's also a chance they could spark some new life into the dead horse Meyer keeps beating.

Because I couldnt go for 3.

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ChazBuckeye's picture

Great article.
The truth will come after PSU leaves Ohio stadium...then we'll know if this great article comes to fruition. Sorry I'm a realist, not an optimist.

It is time!!!!!

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Bratwurstcapitalbuckeye's picture

I will never bad mouth JT, but if the guys behind him are as good as Urban has been saying why would he not give them a shot? It doesn't mean JT isn't the starter, and great leader etc. Sometimes in baseball a guy would hit a slump, coach would bench the guy and I need a game or two he would come out better than ever. I personally think Urban is worried if the other guys look too good then he has a controversy on his hands. Maybe smart not to, I don't think I know more than coach, but it sure seems like JT is in a slump right now. 

Go Bucks!

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SeoulBuck's picture

I re-watched the OU game last night. 

Three observations:

1. JT looked like he was in charge of our offense. 

2. JT ran the ball a lot mostly because we ran a lot of options, which unless I'm mistaken is our bread and butter scheme. He also looked really good tucking and running. 

3. JT threw some bullets on the money in the middle, some quality deep balls, some poised screen and swing passes, and a few wise tosses to the waterboy in order to avoid a Deshone Kizer-like 7-sack game. 

My takeaway from rewatching the game is that I am ashamed of myself for wanting Haskins. Ramzy has now quadrupled that shame.

Final takeaway from rewatching the game? It actually wasn't that bad. 

Go JT! Go Bucks!

"You cannot overestimate the unimportance of almost everything." - John Maxwell

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WriteMyWrong's picture

Final takeaway from rewatching the game? It actually wasn't that bad. 

Did you mean that the final score looked  better than it really was? Because, if not for some Oklahoma mistakes, the Buckeyes would have lost by a lot more. 

Because I couldnt go for 3.

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saltybuck61's picture

I rewatched it too and came away with a lot of the same conclusions. I walked away with having better opinions about JT and the defensive backs, and worse opinions about the linebackers and the offensive line. The game didn't feel that close live, but watching it again as a far less emotional observer made the game feel close until the fourth quarter.

It wasn't great, but Oklahoma played well and Lincoln Riley called a great game. No one is blameless, but it looked a lot better the second time around. 

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rockyincbus's picture

I am not an argumentative guy but how could anyone watch that game and have a big issue with the o-line?  In fairness you said you had a worse opinion after watching the tape so I can assume you had a pretty good opinion to start with? They weren't perfect in the run game and Prince got toasted badly once (and was hung out to dry on another quick throw that didn't) but you could use some of it as a clinic on pass-blocking.  You are right that no unit was blameless. And you are dead right about our LBs struggling and Riley's playcalling.

You've got barbecue back there?

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saltybuck61's picture

Yes, I should have clarified, I thought they played fantastically live. They gave JT a lot of time to throw, and it looked like the best the o-line has played in a couple years against a quality opponent.. There were just a few run plays in the game that I thought were bad calls live, but upon further review I believe that there was inadequate blocking. But on the whole, I thought they played well. Just not initially as well as I thought. 

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rockyincbus's picture

I appreciate the clarification and one thousand percent agree. Pass blocking was really good but the breakdown were more in the run game.  Overall, B+ from the line from me.

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rockyincbus's picture

Reasonable minds can differ on how good a player JT has been in this rough stretch of bad offensive games but you cannot have seriously re-watched the Oklahoma game and came away with the belief that Barrett played well.  Even the most ardent supporters of JT would not claim that he played well against Oklahoma. He didn't get us checked into the right run checks when the Sooners were outnumbered in the box and multiple times telegraphed his intended target by pumping or hitching in his direction then delivering late throws.  He didn't run with that same toughness and fight for the extra yards the way the JT I loved used to do it.

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SeoulBuck's picture

1. Funny way you have of saying I don't have a reasonable mind.

2. I'm sure the mistakes you mention are accurate. That doesn't mean the positives I noticed aren't also accurate.

3. I'm fine with JT sliding or bailing out rather than fighting for one extra yard. He's beaten up and more fragile than he was 3 years ago. When it's 4th and 1 he'll fight and he'll get the yard. 

The Bucks played better than I had initially thought, JTBIV included. I'm back on the "hold onto 16 as long as you can" bandwagon. 

"You cannot overestimate the unimportance of almost everything." - John Maxwell

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rockyincbus's picture

Really didn't mean to say that you were unreasonable.  Just that real hard-core and perfectly reasonable football people and even fans are on each side of the JT debate.  He didn't play well in this particular game and on this I honestly didn't think there was much to debate.  You made some points pointing out some positives and I respect a fan who is quick to say "Here is what he did right and this is why I am supporting 16." I am rooting for JT and hope he can find his confidence and play better. 

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SeoulBuck's picture

Fair enough. I'd still say that he did a lot of good games and if I had to pick JT, DBs, LBs, or Zone6 to criticize from rewatching it, it would definitely not be JT.  He looked poised, smart, mature, tough, and at times sharp overall, despite the low numbers. The other units? Not so much.

"You cannot overestimate the unimportance of almost everything." - John Maxwell

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TShell's picture

I needed that this week. Thank you Ramzy!

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buckeyedude's picture

Nice article, as always, Ramzy.

I don't believe anybody has been attacking JT's character. At least I haven't seen it. He's a quality young man and I totally understand why it's so hard for Urban to make a change.

But I think it's fair game to be critical of the team's play, including JT, when they're not playing well. Just because some think JT may have lost his mojo doesn't mean they "hate" him. I hate when people say that.

We're here because we like talking football.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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WesBranscum's picture

Wonder how many on here bashing JT will be the first ones in line during one of his autograph session

WesBranscum

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Buckeye419er's picture

All the records in the world don't change what is happening right now. Sorry. I'm sure this was meant to be a reminder of all the good times. A feel good story. But it changes nothing.

There can be only one

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Zonabuck's picture

Another key piece of Barrett's legacy and the respect he's earned from the staff:

https://www.si.com/college-football/2016/09/15/how-ohio-state-footballs-...

Three weeks into his time at Ohio State after enrolling in January 2013, Barrett encountered a pair of high school receivers on their recruiting visit. Meyer and strength coach Mickey Marotti gave the recruits, James Clark and Dontre Wilson, a pitch before someone asked if anyone had anything to add. Barrett jumped into the presentation uninvited and gave an impassioned appeal to two recruits he'd never met. "He was up in their face like, 'You want to win?'" Marotti recalled with a laugh. "He just went off, selling a program that he really didn't know. He'd just got here."

Off to the side, Herman whispered, "I told you" to Marotti. Both Clark and Wilson signed with the Buckeyes.

"He didn't take a snap of football that spring," Marotti says. "But I knew right away, man. This dude has all the qualities of a leader that we need around here."

 

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Very powerful and thought-provoking piece Ramzy.

People want to put in a second string QB with no game experience?  That's their solution?  Really?

I think the Oklahoma game was a perfect storm, our wide receivers and DB's (and the right side of the OL) needed more games before taking on a team like OU.  The next few games will give the coaches and players a chance to improve.  Fans getting angry and calling for heads will only put more pressure on these kids, which can affect performance.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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tosubuckeye's picture

Absolutely the best written and needed article on 11w. Thank you, Ramzy. GO BUCKS!!!!

tosubuckeye

 

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ControltheGlassdoor's picture

12/19 passing for a paltry 74 yards, a touchdown and two interceptions; one a pick-six. Odd, because 2014 was when all of those school records started falling. Tom Herman. Push passes. Devin Smith. With stats like that? Memories are weird.

So true. 

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ControltheGlassdoor's picture
and Dontre Wilson practically shaving points.
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JCM's picture

Best actor of his generation.

Not, River... Dontre.

Once a Buckeye, Always a Buckeye

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Tidus Powell's picture

Impeccable prose. Ramzy is a talented wordsmith.

But reading this, I'm stricken by how thoroughly it's underpinned by a condemnation of this wheezing empire called college football. This is an incredibly sad read. Well-written, as I said, but this documentation of the descent - of fans, of our morality, and of Barrett - is a condemnation of the decay of all our souls that feels similar in *scope* to Ta-Nehisi Coates's recent works.

I doubt you're correct on the overall conclusions. But I emerge from this article feeling goddamn filthy for ever having watched an Ohio State game.

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Thurdsty's picture

I can only hope my eulogy is as well written as JT's was by Ramzy.

Behold the chunky whoop ass.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

jebes Michigana

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Blockandtackle's picture

I haven't seen a 180 like this since 12 angry men.  The power of the written word is no joke.

A joy which death alone can still.

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DEF D's picture

Ramzy keeps it real.  Re-read Barrett haters.  None of you have seen Haskins throw in person.  I hope he is good in the future, he may get some run this week.  Ya never know...

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johnblairgobucks's picture

The Maryland and Penn State games will be huge....either we improve or we fans need to dust off the emotions from years ago, when beating Michigan/playing in a nice Bowl game/top 10 recruiting classes made for a sucessfull year. Like it or not OSU is on the brink of not playing for National Championships and we have at least 10 more games to play.

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Urbanologist's picture

JT barrett will go down as the greatest, most accomplished, history making strongest leader at QB that OSU has ever had, that couldn't throw for shit...

Theire is only one truth...

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CLEbuck96's picture

The only way people will support starting JT at qb is because stuff like this. If you watch him actually playing the game of football, however.....

Urban, please do not waste another year of development for your next starting quarterback.

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Last12C's picture

I cried reading this post.  I'm allowed to cry cuz I'm a chick :-)  I also cried Saturday when the camera landed on JT's face and I realized his soul was being sucked out of his body. I love and appreciate JT, and I will never forget what he has done for this team.  Is JT a system quarterback?  Hell yes, he is.  That's what he was recruited to be.  It's what he was developed to be.  It's what he has always excelled at.  That's what he goes to work every day to be.  Problem is, the System is broken right now.  He went out there onto the field to play Ohio State System Football and got... WTF?... Again.  Like some kind of recurring nightmare.  Some might wish that all we have to do is delete QB1 and insert QB2 and all of our problems will go away.  Sadly, this is not true.  We have problems all over the field, and on the sideline, and in the box.  Do I want QB1 pulled?  I want whatever works best for both QB1 and for the team.  Problem is, I love QB2, QB3 and QB4 too and I don't really want to see them thrown out on the field to have their souls sucked out of their bodies either.  I'd rather not see the QBs that we are depending on for the future be put through this meat grinder.  I want the system fixed before we "regress" another promising QB.  For all of whatever shortcomings people see in him JT has the thickest skin and the best ability to make hash out of leftovers.  If he's got the the fortitude to step up and take the flack for this mess, I'll have his back.  I'm not going to point my finger at any individual(s).  This is a systemic problem that is going to require effort from every coach and every player to fix.  I stand firm in my belief that the coaching changes that were made were necessary.  There was a feeling of toxicity in the program.  I don't know exactly what it was because I was not in the locker room or any of the meeting rooms or, God forbid, lying in between Urban and Shelly during the quiet hours of the night.   But I also think that it's going to take a lot longer than one preseason camp to flush the sewage pipes and get some fresh water flowing.  These problems are a hell of a lot bigger than Bench JT.  We might see some positive change this year.  We might need to wait a year - or maybe even two - before all of the corrections to the system can cycle through.  I'm willing to wait.  In the meantime, GO BUCKS!

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SilverBullet-98's picture

I wish the Urban Meyer offense could run circles around good teams and there defenses, like he does with the Media and his "who's fault is it" Gestafo mind-XXXX game-plan!

Its the receivers, no its Urban, no Offensive Coor., no the defense they ran, youth, no it's talent etc... etc.... etc... 

Where does the Buck stop, excuse the pun.

"The Past Builds the Future"

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SilverBullet-98's picture

I wish the Urban Meyer offense could run circles around good teams and there defenses, like he does with the Media and his "who's fault is it" Gestafo mind-XXXX game-plan!

Its the receivers, no its Urban, no Offensive Coor., no the defense they ran, youth, no it's talent etc... etc.... etc... 

Where does the Buck stop, excuse the pun.

"The Past Builds the Future"

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

JT doesn't trust the WRs, lol!  I know the feeling is VERY mutual....

The young guys thought the "New Era" was gonna be  2017, until they heard JT was coming back.  At least they have time on their side

Older WRs, you have my sympathies!

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buckeyedude's picture

Maybe JT and the receivers should just be working on throw and catch? Repetition is the only way to develop timing. This should have been done in the offseason. Hell, the players could have done this outside their dorm without pads. 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

JT and the WRs did a lot of "working on it" over the Summer, in both large groups as well as small groups.  Should also be noted that specifically, JT, Victor and Campbell were all in the same small group.

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SpicyBoy's picture

I'm late to the comment party but damn, Ramzy, A+ as always.

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Glendora's picture

Great article. However, JT is nowhere near the most scorned or disparaged Buckeye. Steve Bellisari, another signal caller with a drunk driving arrest, got it far worse from Buckeye fans. I suppose it is jarring to hear JT be disparaged because he has so many records and because the team has generally won with him. With Bellisari we knew we could not win, with JT we wonder why 2014 seems unattainable.

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BuckEif4Life's picture

It amazes me how quickly we can forget about all the good a player has done for us.

We've always had the best damn band in the land...
- Jim Tressle

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BuckEif4Life's picture

https://twitter.com/treydayy_/status/908144464040022018

We've always had the best damn band in the land...
- Jim Tressle

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Grisle's picture

I don't think anyone has given up on the players other than JT. And it hasn't been "fast AF". Seeing the same issues since 2015 with all the coaching changes leaves fans with a sense that nothing's changed. 

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semperfibuck's picture

Good stuff, Ramzy.

JT is IMHO that's greatest QB in OSU history, and undoubtedly the toughest. Regrettably, he is also the QB at a time when elite college defenses have caught up with Urban's offense. Cardell beat Bama because of the deep threat (that opened up Zeke's running game.) Oregon and Notre Lame were not an elite D's. Clemson surely was and is.

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semperfibuck's picture

Good stuff, Ramzy.

JT is IMHO that's greatest QB in OSU history, and undoubtedly the toughest. Regrettably, he is also the QB at a time when elite college defenses have caught up with Urban's offense. Cardell beat Bama because of the deep threat (that opened up Zeke's running game.) Oregon and Notre Lame were not an elite D's. Clemson surely was and is.

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Brutus's picture

And now for a comment no one will read:

One of the advertisements on my 11W right now is for the Dark Knight graphic novel. I'm a Batman nerd and was recently shopping for it on Amazon (I've given up on thinking I can do anything on the internet without someone watching...and probably judging). Reminds me of this:

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

JT has become the Dark Knight. Here's to hoping he was one epic battle left in him and he walks away a hero still.

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Brutus's picture

And now for a comment no one will read:

One of the advertisements on my 11W right now is for the Dark Knight graphic novel. I'm a Batman nerd and was recently shopping for it on Amazon (I've given up on thinking I can do anything on the internet without someone watching...and probably judging). Reminds me of this:

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

JT has become the Dark Knight. Here's to hoping he was one epic battle left in him and he walks away a hero still.

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Brutus's picture

And now for a comment no one will read:

One of the advertisements on my 11W right now is for the Dark Knight graphic novel. I'm a Batman nerd and was recently shopping for it on Amazon (I've given up on thinking I can do anything on the internet without someone watching...and probably judging). Reminds me of this:

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

JT has become the Dark Knight. Here's to hoping he was one epic battle left in him and he walks away a hero still.

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Brutus's picture

And now for a comment no one will read:

One of the advertisements on my 11W right now is for the Dark Knight graphic novel. I'm a Batman nerd and was recently shopping for it on Amazon (I've given up on thinking I can do anything on the internet without someone watching...and probably judging). Reminds me of this:

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

JT has become the Dark Knight. Here's to hoping he was one epic battle left in him and he walks away a hero still.

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Brutus's picture

And now for a comment no one will read:

One of the advertisements on my 11W right now is for the Dark Knight graphic novel. I'm a Batman nerd and was recently shopping for it on Amazon (I've given up on thinking I can do anything on the internet without someone watching...and probably judging). Reminds me of this:

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

JT has become the Dark Knight. Here's to hoping he was one epic battle left in him and he walks away a hero still.

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

Not only did I read it, I read it five times and up voted five times :)

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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Brutus's picture

I just really really wanted someone to read it.

Sorry 11W staff, no idea what happened. I will go crawl back under my rock now and stick to lurking.

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Ethos's picture

Obviously a passionate subject since its still going.  One thing I was thinking about, is Ryan Day too late?  Was JT broken by his previous QB coach and its too late for Day to fix him?  He had a great QB coach in 2014, then that one left, and for two year he had someone that all of us were wringing our hands about the hire from Nebraska.  I remember many comments on here about how Beck made zero improvement to his QB's at his time in Nebraska.  I wonder if the 2 most important years of JT's development as a QB were destroyed by Beck, and Day is out of time to turn him into what he could have been.

Kind of sad if you think about it if that is the case.

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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McLovin2.0's picture

JT peaked in 2014.  Completion % is down every year since.  Passer rating is down every year since.  Yard per carry is down.

The frustration isn't that 3 of the last 4 games on offense have been terrible, it's that he hasn't improved a damn thing.  He's regressed over four years.  Is it his fault or Urban's for not hiring a suitable replacement for Tommy Herman?

So yes, he's a great leader and set records (there wasn't exactly sterling competition for those but whatever) but is he the best option at QB for THIS season?

What, are you trying to be an Irish R&B singer??

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mr.green's picture

Thanks Ramzy.  This is why I love JT and 11W.

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TheNorthernBuckeye's picture

So we are going to let emotion of past events get in the way of future, I'll pass. 

Stay the course 

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stxbuck's picture

Wow, being a top 5 dual threat QB according to the starhanderouters really means something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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BermudaHighwayBuck's picture

Clearly the effect of this article was to win over the fans and have them rally behind JT ... so hand clap to the author for the well-written, melo-dramatic article. The OSU football PR department couldn't have written it better themselves.  Truly.  But this article really just reinforces what all of us already know....JT has great intangibles.  No matter what side of the fence you fall on as to whom should be the starting qb at OSU, literally everyone agrees that JT is as tough as nails, has overcome obstacles and injury, and is a tremendous leader.  And again, although well-written, that is really the only thing that the article is saying.  That said, there is much more to being a qb than just intangibles.  And it's even more than career statistical records.  It's about how you perform under the bright lights of the biggest games of the year.  And unfortunately, JT has not passed the eye test in big games for a long while.  Again, this isn't an opinion.  Just facts.  Look at his career avgs starting against the 'best' of the BIG10 EAST. 

Mich St - 3 gm pass yd avg 144 yd  55% completion rate (2-1 W/L)

Penn St - 2 gm pass yd avg 159 yd 62% completion rate (1-1 W/L)

(Cardale started against PSU in '15)

UM - 3 game pass yd avg 138 yd, 54% completion rate (3-0 W/L)

Simply put, even omitting the Clemson and Oklahoma debacles, his stats in big games do not scream 'legendary' qb...much less that he should be the starting qb on a team with championship aspirations.  The all important eye test also reaffirms these poor stats.  That said, there are many JT apologists who will literally blame anyone but him when it comes to explaining away his poor performances.  We've even reached the point where fans are now blaming Urban Fcking Meyer rather than JT.  It's just incredible to me and frankly pathetic. Our talent and coaches are literally the envy of college football, yet there is still a significant amount of fans who continue to blame our skill players, the offensive line, 2 different OCs, 2 different QB coaches, Stud, and Smith.  If you really believe that our coaches and talent since '15 has been so sorry that it prevents JT from completing a 10+ yd pass, I don't know what more I can say to talk you out of that delusion.  I have never seen a qb at OSU so passionately defended while so many OSU players and coaches have been thrown under a bus. 

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German Buckeye's picture

If this take was written earlier in this thread you'd have 100 up votes. You got one of mine. 

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Mississippi_buck's picture

Wow you've said everything that needed to be said. Who cares about records he sets against bad teams, he buckles in big games and that's what's important. I don't care about his recruitment or his stats against bad teams.

If if was a fifth we'd all be drunk

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C-Rod's picture

There are three things in this world that you can always count on...

1.)  Death

2.)  Taxes

3.) STRAIGHT UP FIRE FROM RAMZY!!!

We are brothers forever because we are champions

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Crumb's picture

Maybe JTB isn't the problem. But we need the offense back that threw a crazy WR reverse TD on Bama. The offense that would run tempo until a defense was so tired they'd practically wave a white flag out of exhaustion. The offense that when it was 4th and short would go for it almost anywhere on the field and say we're gonna let Braxton/JTB/Dolo or Zeke/Hyde/Weber/Dobbins get behind the Slobs and run you over and keep your weak, tired, defense on the field because YOU are playing OUR game. Not the other way around. The offense that dictated a game, not reacted to it. 

Ramzy always makes me think of Vince McMahon. 

So I leave yo with this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz_EssIJP9Q

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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Jersey Boy's picture

I swear, it's like watching Marc Loving play QB. 

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3SticksBucks's picture

JT just threw another incomplete pass in practice!

3SticksBucks

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osu992's picture

Thank you for this intel.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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45has2's picture

Gosh, maybe Kenny Guiton has some eligibility left.

Censores irrumasti.

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BuckeyeJason'sNation's picture

Ohio State QBs are measured by National championships, Beating Michigan, and Big Ten Champioships.  Passing stats?...meh.

and Drew Brees won what?

BuckeyeJason

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countrybuckeye's picture

Glad we got JT in 2013.

what a wonderful #Distributor

Go BUCKS!!

BEAT MissedAgain!

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

Late to the party reading this one.   Great story.  Great job writing this, Ramzy. 

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland

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Arsenal7's picture

I'm crying reading this now.

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