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Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.
Urban made a fool of himself during this presser. He's acting like a little kid when he should be reevaluating his QB situation.
Stop the cap 2020
I wouldn't say he's acting the fool, I think it is more like loyalty to him. As it is true he has done a lot for the team and Buckeye Nation as well, there comes a time when one must pass the torch, so to speak. I think a leader must be aware of that. That is one of the things that make a leader great, knowing when to step down for the good of the team. I know there were other things that also hurt the team in Sat. poor showing on a national stage, JT himself blew some open receivers even when he wasn't under pressure. He left a lot of points on the field this night by being off target. He has been at the helm for 4 years give and take. 2014 being his best by a large margin, being coached by Beck for two years has made him gun shy. The bad habits that were taught to him from his position coach for two years has hurt him beyond repair in the time he has left as the Buckeyes QB to fix. He simply doesn't have enough time left to right all the wrongs. We have QBs that are waiting for their chance that are better passers than Barret, and even better yet, haven't been tainted by poor coaching from Beck. Meyer is showing loyalty to JT and that is all well and good but, it is hurting the team. He can be a leader being on the sideline just as well. I feel bad for JT, but facts are the facts. Sadly my friends, I do not see the Buckeyes making the National Championship games, or even us defeating Penn State, if something doesn't give. Our secondary is young and making too many mistakes as they learn, we need a offense to score points and mange the clock as they learn, and going 3 and out isn't going to do it. I hope I am wrong, I really do, but I do not think I am this time........ Go Buckeyes.....
Those I agree with you in some points it's it crazy to suggest JT should just step down as it will look like he quit on his team and he has ZERO chance to play QB at any level. With that said, if he starts the whole season I have accepted that we won't win the division and will have maybe 2 more losses. Do I like it? Absolutely not but not I'm not gonna back away from this team under any circumstances. I overheard people withing for JT to be hurt, is that where we are cause that's pathetic. The reality is that as much as we collectively think we should win a title every year we don't and won't. JT will be here just one more year and he has earned the right to right the ship or take responsibility for getting worse each year.
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If your not going to make a change at QB, then go to your strength, three yards and a cloud of dust. What happened to the two headed monster. They were making great runs for some good yards. Run the ball for five or six tries, loosen the defense and then make a throw downfield. Play Haskins, and see if he can spark the offense. Nothing to lose here. Stubborn of Myers to keep his bromance of Barrett above what is best for the team. I can't see Haskins being any worse and even if he is it will help for next year getting him playing time and experience. Go Bucks
three seven yards and a cloud of dust.
Of course they are. I'm sure they'll have a million excuses lined up for him too
Well then we have no chance at a national championship.
We have no chance of winning our division (again).
FACT - because this year we will not win a tie-breaker with any other team. Had we lost fighting in a competitive game that is one thing but we got exposed on national television and that will not go away until next season.
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Agree. I watched both the PSU and UM games.
UM looks a lot like us: slightly above average defense, anemic offense with horrible QB play.
PSU: the B1G is likely theirs. I believe McSorely, Barkley and Gesicki are the best in the B1G at their positions.
"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."
I'm at the point now where I might rather have one of these Australian punters playing QB.
if we are going to suck, let's at least have a little fun.
shit, if there are not going to be any changes made, we are better off not getting jail sexed in the CFP on national television. make some scrub bowl game, win it, and move on to next season.
Exactly... and i'll be sticking to being productive during the games from now on instead of staring at 3 and outs for 2 and a half hours... watching our poor defense hang in there as long as humanly possible. I love this team, always will. But this is year 3 of awful offense.
"Gardner-- Right side.. IT'S INTERCEPTED, OHIO STATE INTERCEPTS IT! ... Tyvis Powell saves the season!"
Since I've declared the NFL dead I already won back my Sundays, Monday nights, and any Thursday game time. I'll stick to devoting 3 hours to our Buckeyes in hopes that they can improve on things.
Best position to put JT in is...........handing the f$$@n ball to Dobbins or Weber or Williams or McCall
I agree for the most part, but even that is getting tough to do because defenses are not in the least bit scared of JT's arm.
We ran for 5 yards a pop in the first half. Yet we only ran it with our RB like 4-5 times?? We won the title in 14 because we were unashamed to run the ball (often with the same play) over and over and over.
If Urban would be honest with himself instead of remaining steadfast loyal to JT then there would be another QB starting- or even playing at all. Maybe he can save face by saying there will be packages with different QBs. Promise JT a graduate coaching position - Anything other than starter. If nothing changes soon then all there is to look forward to for the rest of this year is BIG champs.
Passing game: Meyer says, " We've got to get the damn thing fixed, and we will."
Then Urban Meyer said he has no plans to bench Barrett in favor of Dwayne Haskins or Joe Burrow.
But don't get your hopes too high.
"...there is still a significant separation.”
Wait a sec--we can't play McCall--he only has dynamic play making capability. We don't want any of that.
No, Meyer apparently has a newfound fondness of predictably declining assets, and stubbornly investing in them no matter what. He's like a Vegas black jack player who keeps doubling down because "I just know that Jack is gonna turn up in my next hand. I just know it!"
Man, I just hate it when coaches become the very last people in the stadium, or for that matter, the whole nation to see what everyone else can see with utter clarity, and now you're also hearing it everywhere--i.e., everyone knows that Barrett can't throw.
He's got a Weak arm; an inaccurate arm; he can't read defenses; he can't respond to them; and understandably, he has no confidence in throwing the ball because he has no competance.
In other words, EVEN Barrett knows he can't throw!
I absolutely concur, sir!
Plus, he's not even a dynamic runner anymore. Looks scared and either slides or runs out of bounds leaving yards on the table.
He's never been dynamic as a runner, let's be honest. He's just barely efficient.
Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.
I wrote this elsewhere (sorry for the repeat):
The Urban and J.T. love affair reminds me of "that guy" that refuses to believe that his relationship with his girlfriend is over and if only he "tried harder things will be just fine" and in many cases ends up proposing marriage in an attempt to rekindle the former relationship. In life, and even in coaching, it is vital to always assess situations and sometimes you just have to cut the ties and get a new "girlfriend"... especially if "she" is a significant upgrade to the current.
Spot on, dude.
Reminds me a lot of the Orange Bowl against Clemson. Braxton was playing with one arm. Yet Urban was loyal to a fault and never pulled the trigger on Kenny G. Ended up costing us.
Speaking of McCall... where is he???????
You can hand the ball to our RBs a bunch but that doesn't solve the problem of a feeble passing attack, it just ignores the problem.
Yea something my wife can freaking do...
Army is a good team to rebound against. Go Bucks!
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and to ignore your issues against
No person on that coaching staff is ignoring what they saw against Oklahoma.
No, they're ignoring what they saw against Penn State, Michigan, Northwestern, Western Michigan, Clemson, and now Oklahoma.
Everything we have heard from the post game presser seems to suggest otherwise
Maybe they can be our '14 Kent State.
we only won the championship because jt got hurt.
Actually they aren't. Army is a tough team that will knock you on your a$$ if not prepared because of their type of play.
Let's be honest if we play like we did today there is a chance army beats us.
hell yeah!!! lets set some more school records everybody!!! that's what it is all about right??
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OMG how funny and so true. My laughter was short lived. #reality
" It's real good whatcha done Anthony, real good ! "
That was a good one.
It will be tough sledding next week. The LBs and DBs have to be on point and tackle well. There was some poor tackling and lost back seven last night.
Army will control the ball and chew clock putting even more pressure on the offense to make plays in the few possessions they'll get. We should be able to out muscle them in the run game but we won't be able to have three and outs trying to fix the passing game.
You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight.
I don't think anyone would expect them to say any different during the post-game. That doesn't mean Urban doesn't watch the film and make a change midweek.
Let's hope. But I doubt it. Sadly, I think Meyer is going to swallow two more losses before making a change--and that's before the season ends.
That may sound dire, but I don't think people are fully appreciating just how bad Barrett is--not nearly as much as opposing coaches are, who are scheming him and stopping him with ease, and I might add, they're openly discussing it, which they usually avoid.
But... it's so obvious that they don't need to hide it anymore than they need to disguise their defenses much. Basically, they're all daring Barrett to prove he can throw the ball, and guess what--he can't--even though such defenses inevitably leave open other options, but he can't exploit those.
It was a little shocking that the Indiana coach, without even pausing, matter of factly said "their qb is inaccurate".
Having trouble understanding where the "dropping 8 into coverage" bit fits here. Are they scheming him by stacking the box or by dropping 8? It can't be both. At least not in the sense of a general scheme.
"You cannot overestimate the unimportance of almost everything." - John Maxwell
Yeah, that's just excuse making. There were never more than 7 in coverage and rarely that many (maybe once they realized it was a pass and got out of the box).
Sure you can. Walk a safety down into the box. Then on the snap he picks up an intermediate zone and a DE drops. It leaves a single high safety so its not your usual drop 8 but it works because we cannot make anyone pay deep.
Good heavens!!! :-(
Going to struggle against Penn St. and *ichigan for sure now.... It's really been difficult to watch JT not improve over the last two seasons.
I dunno. That's sounds awfully nice of you. By now, isn't it fair to say "regress" even more than "not improve?"
However, I actually don't think that is fair. I think he's the same QB as ever, but the difference is that everybody figured him out. Once they realized how completely one-dimensional he is and they've schemed accordingly, he's been stopped dead cold.
Can't say it any better than this. I especially agree with the part of about JT being this guy the whole time... I literally just had the same thought last week during the Indiana game. He's always been extremely limited, but now everyone knows it. We're going nowhere with him. I love Urban, but I think just likes JT so much as a person that he's blind to just how bad this situation is.
Not improve, meaning becoming more accurate and his ability to read a defense. With practice throwing the ball, one would think he could become more accurate. His arm strength is what it is. I agree with that.
By "struggle" you mean get whupped, right? Booger and Franklin are salivating at the prospect of defending against a QB that holds the ball too long, throws late, and throws inaccurately.
struggle?? those are 2 losses. we will also drop at least one more game during the stretch with Maryland, Iowa, Sparty, and Nebraska. I think we drop at least 2 of those and end up at 7-5. but hey, we'd be bowl eligible!!!! Meineke Car Care Bowl here we come!!!!
Urban seemed defiant as hell during his presser - his facial expressions were telling. He can't just dismiss and ignore the questions. He's got recruits tweeting, getting in on the situation. The situation is close to being impossible to avoid.
Billy Price's postgame comments were like a political campaign. It's getting awkward for everyone - it was tough to watch and listen to.
OSU didn't execute and lost to horrible officiating. BOTH things can be true
They all are probably seeing Burrow and Haskins light it up in practice and don't want to divide the locker room further by insinuating anything.
With the way the secondary has been playing, Belissari would have lit up this defense.
I have seen the names on the back of these Db's more in the last two games then we saw Conley/Lattimore/Hooker/Webb all last season. Ward MAY be doing ok/maybe not, but Arnette and Sheffield are getting picked apart so bad QB's dont even need to test his ability. Smith/Fuller at safety is not any better. Maybe, JUST maybe, its time to let Okudah, Wade, Riep, and Pryor get some significant playing time, especially against Army/UNLV? Lets see what their game instincts are - do they have the instincts to find the ball when the WR eyes start getting big, or do they just throw their arms up and never turn around (like Arnette and Sheffield have been doing)?
Everything that happens-good and bad-should motivate you to be persistent. ~JT
Great points. The scoreboard was bad for recruiting. The presser worse, especially since it undermines all talk about fair play and 'earning' your play time. That doesn't sit well with recruits, even if they'll smile at coaches and act like everything's hunky dory.
Sure, they want a coach who's got a guy's back, but not at the cost of indulging a whole team. In this regard, Meyer is very uncharacteristically not sounding like a winner, but worse, he has uncharacteristically lost two of his last three games. Oh--sorry, check that--he's been pretty much blown-out in two of his last three games.
We've seen what the ceiling is with this team when JT is the QB. No way we compete for a championship this year, even in the Big 10, so put in Haskins and Burrow and let them figure it out for next year. Play for next year because this season is over if JT stays as the QB. He's as awful as a QB now as he was 2 years ago. He seems like a great kid and a fine leader, but a decent QB he is not.
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I'd even say the only outside chance we have for a national championship is if we play Haskins or Burrow.
Thing is, rankings and perceptions matter to the Selection Committee, and let's say we ran the table, if we did it with Barrett, they wouldn't trust in his ability to compete (one of their criteria) owing to his severe passing limitations, whereas if the Buckeyes happened to run the table with Haskins or Burrow and look impressive along the way with a passing mojo, they'd be seen in the only light that might get them in the playoffs.
Heck, last year, the Committee even discussed USC as a candidate--despite the Trojans loss to Bama by about 50 points--because they looked so impressive after their QB switch.
Outstanding point! The only chance we have to show the committee that we deserve playoff invite is we can prove wer'e a substantively different team than we displayed tonight. It was easy in 2014 to say we were a young team with a freshman QB that grew up throughout the season (and of course the Cardale statement against Wisconsin in the B1G title game). But the best way to demonstrate a substantive difference now is to go with a new QB. Even if we somehow run the table with JT, I can't imagine the committee has much of an appetite for another JT Barrett stinker against an elite opponent in the playoffs.
While it pains me to say it, I wonder how we would have fared in 2014 if Barrett didn't get injured? One thing we all recall is that the offense suddenly exploded as soon as he was gone. All the guys on the O who played well were suddenly unstoppable all-time stars. And that was BEFORE people figured out Barret can't pass.
I argue this point all the time and you aren't wrong to bring it up. JT's read option works against Minnesota, Rutgers, and Purdue. He's always had more issues in bigger games, with maybe ttun being an occasional exception (not last yr). Elite teams sniff this out, especially from someone lacking explosive quickness. Having Dale run a pro style offense and being a distributor (JT's old moniker) really put it to those three teams in that run. Idk if JT gets past Wisky and certainly not Bama.
You're absolutely right. I've been saying the same thing for years too. I just think that when you play against elite defenses, you need a QB who's able (and willing) to fit the ball accurately into tight spaces. JT will look good against a poor defense like the one Nebraska had last year because the talent level of his supporting cast is far superior. But when the talent levels even out, we have no chance if he's leading the offense.
Urban is the emotional coach. Great recruiter, great motivator, but scheming and personel decisions he lacks. Too much emotion. Urban is the guy that doesn't eat pork rinds, because he is too busy wondering, what would a pig think?
Ask Nick Saban about emotion. That's a guy that would fire himself if he got outta line. He knows what his job is. It's not to be a father figure. These kids are all grown up, not kids anymore. They need a teacher and a decision maker. Get the most out of them and hold them accountable when they fall short.
Saban is a great white.. Urban is an orca. I love Urban to death, but he's an orca.
Orcas hunt and kill great whites...
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Urban is more of a Sea World orca with dorsal fin atrophe.
This is very true. If USC would have started Darnold earlier last year, they would of gotten in, but they waited until they had multiple losses. If OSU goes to Haskins and rips of 11 wins in row, we have argument of "We are a diff team now" than when when we got beat back in Sept with IT at the helm. Urban needs to man the fuck up and pull the trigger.
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Well on the positive side, we held Oklahoma to fewer passing yards than Indiana. Doh!
That's shocking since the middle of the field was open for business ALL FREAKIN' NIGHT LONG!!!! Defense played like Sh1t sans a couple turnovers. They should be embarrassed...
I thought they played reasonably tight at first, and they only gave up 3 points by half despite being on the field all half long. However, shame on them for getting tired and disappointed and seemingly losing their pride and hope after Oklahoma had some success against them and they then seemed to take it for granted (understandably, I have to admit) that they'd never be able to come back with Barrett at QB.
The 3 points at half were wildly misleading though. OU's first half drives:
-Failed conversion at OSU 36
-Fumble at OSU 23
-Fumble at OSU 48
-Missed FG at OSU 20
-Made FG at OSU 17
Letting the opponent make it to your side of the field five times, then stop them with recovering both fumbles (usually considered a 50/50 dice roll), a fourth down conversion, and a bad snap on an FG isn't really lockdown defense. Mayfield was moving the ball just fine, but there were some extremely timely breaks - once that dried up a little in the second half, the flood gates opened.
So after he has a good game against a fodder team like Army i'm guessing he'll "back" again? Lol I'm done.
Remember when we all used to say Tressel was loyal to a fault? Good times.
Even Tress switched QB's after getting blown out at USC.
And that was a QB who led us to the title game the year before.
There is also the QB "switch" we made in 2015, but that felt different to me because it never felt like Meyer truly settled on Cardale.
Passing wasn't the problem. Running was the damn problem, in that we didn't run the damn football with the tailbacks!
It's difficult to run with athletic safeties in the box all night. OU's defense dictated the numbers and dared JT to throw the football down the field. Penn State did the same thing last year. Think about the strategy being employed against OSU a little bit and you'll see how JT's inequities are hurting this team against good competition. Sure, he'll bounce back against the crappy teams on the schedule. Who cares...
So true! The defense was so dismissive of our passing attack that I even saw them start blitzing corners on running plays. Pretty much impossible to run against that.
Thanks for making this point. What everyone seems to be missing is how much Barrett's limitations are collapsing the whole playbook.
Yes, other guys deserve some criticism, but they're all playing on crutches as long as Barrett is at the helm, because they become a totally one-dimensional offense, and almost any defensive coordinator will tell you that he can stop you if he can limit you to a single dimension, whether running or passing.
It's amazing to me how good guys like Dobbins with some open holes vs. all those guys in the box?
lets not forget about Prince either. he still sucks.
I didn't think either sack he gave up was that bad. The first one was a poorly designed pass pro that left him not only on an island but also at a schematic disadvantag . The second one was on JT for holding the ball too long and not stepping up in the pocket.
he got beat numerous times tonight. just think what a decent defense will do (i.e. scum, psu, etc.).
He will also play the entire games like he did last season to prevent a QB controversy. That's why he played all game against Indiana. He sucks, UFM thinks if he plays more he will get better. I hate saying this but the best think for OSU is if he gets injured. OSU can't win with him and UFM won't bench him. UFM is too prideful to admit he made a mistake.
It's pretty telling when any coach from Indiana has no fear of the opposing QB.
Scoring 24 points or less against non-bottom dwelling competition has become the norm. ESPN is currently scrolling the fact that we haven't even scored 20 in 3 of the last 5. 17 points was enough to win a Tresselball game full of 9 minute drives, outstanding LBs, and field position victories, but this team's defense will surrender more than 24 points to non-bottom dwelling competition, so somebody better figure out how to sustain a drive and score more than 20 points. We already tried new coaches. I'd suggest trying a new QB to at least prevent opposing defenses from blitzing every single play for the rest of the season.
Remember when Meyer said the Clemson performance was unacceptable and he promised Buckeye fans that they'd never see it again? Well, we've seen it for 7 of the last 8 quarters, and really, all of the past five games.
Apparently, per Meyer's presser, he just took back his promise, and so he's now fully committed to repeating the Clemson performance for as many games as he can play Barrett.
I think that's another 10 games or so, ya' know, assuming we're bowl eligible.
buy this man a beer!
2 offensive TDs total in the first half of the last 5 games. The offense is offensive. Unless starting jobs are up for grabs, I assume we'll struggle mightily against PSU, TUN, MSU, possibly Nebraska and Iowa. In all seriousness, Maryland could be a problem if that game turns into a shootout.
Wow dude kills us every big game and piles up stats against less talented teams. Its painfully obvious, even looking at the spring game "yes I know its a glorified practice" he looked horrible while burrow and Haskins lit it up. Receivers looked great with them. He's a great guy but his accuracy is holding our offense hostage. Our best long ball is a pass interference with Barrett. #rantover lol
If if was a fifth we'd all be drunk
Don't forget the garbage yards he piles up in big games, too, as he and opposing defenses are happy to see him scampering for 8 or 10 yards on 3rd and 15.
Put Bauserman in ...
No one is that desperate
Christ almighty...he said JT passed for over 300 yards last week? He must've missed the part where our receivers were wide open, caught simple 10 yard passes and outran the gassed secondary. Take those 2 long TDs away from Parris and Johnnie and JT's stats reflect the ineptitude of the passing game.
Someone woke him up near the end of the 3rd quarter at Indiana, and then, just to be mean, they told him it's 2014, back when defenses didn't discover just how bad Barrett's arm is.
Oh yeah JT threw for 300 yards! But 225 of those yards were after the catch! Is Urban even watching these games?!
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Does Urban have a case of Stockholm Syndrome when it comes to Barrett? Good God. This is just absolutely painful to watch.
My pet peeve--when the coach is the last in the stadium to know. Er, I mean, the nation.
But if he wants to check, he won't be lacking for second opinions, since he can ask Wisconsin's D coordinators, Indiana's head coach, Mark D'Antonio (the first to figure it out), Dabo Swinney, pro scouts galore, and a growing legion of analysts, and so on (all wincing now, but soon to turn into laughter).
Speaking of which, Herbstreit was pretty subtle yet pretty clear per saying they've got to explore "personnel" changes, while Gary DiNardo all but said it's time for a change, per noting that when a guy has had three+ years to snaps and just can't "do what you want him to do," you can't ask him to do that anymore, i.e., passing.
You're spot on. It's not just our fan base. It's anyone with a moderate football IQ that sees how limited JT really is. We can bring Bill Belichick in to coach the offense and I'm not even sure that it'd change much because JT is still the goddamn quarterback
Dan, with all due respect, you have the wrong last name given this article's content.
Probably promised Burrow and Haskins a fair competition in the offseason. Can't just hand the job to one now.
Yeah we wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings!
or act like a coach and make the tough decisions... and hurt someone's feelings. ;-)
You are not doing JT any favors by leaving him in there right now.
JT might want to be a part of the community and the University later in life. He is slowly starting to become a meme, and its not a good one.
Make the switch now, and JT will still go down as a 3 year captain, major record holder, and a champion. But if your Urban and you just let this thing burn to the ground, JT will still be known as all those good things, but he will also be known as one of, if not the worst QB in modern OSU football history.
This is historically bad QB play that we are witnessing. It is rare that you find a dual-threat QB that poses absolutely no threat at all.
Thank God JT is keeping his job!! I was really worried about that!!! I can't wait to watch him run up the middle 26 times for 67 yards and stare down wide open receivers for 5 seconds before throwing a shitty pass! Watching this offense is almost like keeping me awake for a colonoscopy!
Had a colonoscopy last month. It was more pleasant than the game tonight, lol :)
I guarantee it! It's hard to enjoy these games anymore and I'm not even hung up on the wins and losses.
We watch football for fun. 2013 with a withers defense was not fun to watch. 2015 through current is not fun to watch on offense. This defense with a JT Barret offense is very not fun to watch. Please JT at QB (read inept offense against a defense with a pulse) will hurt the OSU brand. It will stand for ineptitude. Thank goodness I live in VT, where most people don't realize that football is played on Saturdays. I will only have to answer questions about the game from a couple people.
“I'M GOING TO MAKE PERFECTLY CLEAR, THERE'S NOT A BULL'S EYE ON J.T. BARRETT. IT'S PART OF THE SYSTEM AND A GROUP THAT HAVE TO GET BETTER.”
Desperate times call for desperate measures. And from what I can tell coach, you've tried EVERYTHING else!
The only good thing about The Game is winning it - Urban Meyer
The TOTAL irony of Meyer's comment: There absolutely is a target on Barrett... by OPPOSING DEFENSES!!!
Has he really not seen them targeting Barrett's grave limitations, which allow them to limit him and the whole offense even further?
I don't expect Urban to drop a bomb like that in a press conference. Even if Urban is considering a change, it's not a good look to announce it at a presser before he has a chance to address the team, and the players involved.
But, if a change will be made, this is the week to do it. Army isn't a cupcake like UNLV, but they are both winnable games for a new QB. Then we play Rutgers and Maryland, before the tough game with Penn State. By then, a new QB will have 4 games under their belt and be better prepared for the tougher conference games. Here's to hoping........
"Your focus determines your reality."
I hope you're right. I'll believe it when I see it. My guess is that he'll hope for a blowout of Army by half to justify putting Haskins or Burrow in for the sake of experience vs. copping to platooning them. We'll see.
Not to overreact but not sure we should gloss over MD. Could be similar to IN game.
Just watched WSU win in 3OTs with a backup QB. The guy who started got benched. Luke Falk is just under 11,200 caeeer passing yards. JT just set the record for total OFFENSE as an OSU QB with over 9,300. Stats and recoeds don't matter. It's can you get Ws. And JT has not.
They were down 31-10 at one point too. Mike Leach may be crazy, but crazy like a fox at times.
JT is not the guy anymore. I was a loyalist until numbers/facts/loses/live-eyeball test clubbed me over the head. We will lose while he's at the helm. I was there tonight and was able to see the whole field. Zone 6 is trash 80% of the time, JT is an enabler and can't hit a high-school window. He was not like this in 2014. I have no idea what the answer is but I can guarantee Urbs will say the media & fans don't know sht as we lose to Iowa and PSU. Good times boys!
"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here."
I guess everyone ignored Jt's limitations against Clemson. It was pretty career in that game JT was the problem. Meanawhile we waste a years eligibility on our young QB's as a 5th year senior will not win the big game. If we can't win a Natty makes no sense not to play our future QB's.
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
How many times will a WR run an open route only to have the QB miss the throw before they stop giving a damn? Urbie has a psych degree, he should see what went on the previous 2 seasons and know it's going to happen again this season.
Exactly 45has2 I dont give a damn but when u run a good route over and over but your qb can't hit u in stride or give u a chance to make a play it subconsciously affects you. You will feel defeated. Urban can't blame the receivers when they looked like randy moss with burrow and Haskins in the spring game. They know those qbs will find them if they get and angle
JT is one of my favorite players, however his arm is average at best. He needs to be able to throw the deep ball and he cant. The next two games are a great time to give Haskins or Burrow some significant playing time.
"I feel the same pressure as everyone here to get very good at the pass game," Ohio State coach Urban Meyer said after Saturday night’s 31-16 loss to Oklahoma. "We've worked extremely hard at it. It wasn't good tonight. We've got to get the damn thing fixed, and we will."
Um, no you won't!!!!!!!! Not until you admit JT is garbage and bench him. Short of this UFM has turned into the biggest liar in Ohio and that includes all politicians, lawyers, strippers, etc. UFM IS A STUPID LIAR!!!!! He needs to open his eyes and realize JT is garbage just like everyone else has.
Wo there. Calm down and chive on... The ol' ball coach has some decisions to make and I have faith he will. To call him a liar and worse than all politicians, lawyers, strippers, etc. in Ohio is when I politely say if you don't like it go be a UM fan and eat boogers all day long.
Meyer has a connection with his QB's; hell look at Tebow at UF when he was there and everyone knew that about him when he came to Ohio State. I love the coach and although I think it is time to make a change at QB it is not something I feel that throwing $hit at him is necessary.
His decision will be how to blame JTs poor performance on Haskins and Burrow instead of putting the blame on JT and benching him for it. He claims the best players will play. Why doesn't that include QB. It was telling last year when JT never sat in blowouts and didn't sit at all at Indiana. He doesn't want people to see the backups and realize they are better.
OK, this I agree with.
We still haven't figured out what you have against strippers though. :-)
What do you have against strippers?
Either the Buckeyes need to start Dwayne Haskins or they should just admit the rest of the year is just pre-season for 2018.
This team can't win big games with JT throwing he ball.
Teams generally do not play their washed up vets during preseason. Preseason is a time to evaluate the new talent.
JT's passing was never a particular strength but we shouldn't forget how his legs did bail us out in numerous nailbiters in the past, including many close, delicious wins against *ichigan. But now even his running has lost its impact, due to coaches obviously telling him to lay down before getting hit. So now he looks like the football version of Hymie the robot from Get Smart. Everyone knows what he's going to do; the passing is errant and the running emasculated. It's still enough to beat lesser competition but will no longer prevail against the best.
It's time to shake up the offense! Most of us thought that's exactly what was done with the hiring of Kevin Wilson, but we sure haven't seen much evidence of that yet.
Good point on the lay downs. He used to fight for every inch.
This is bizarre.
Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel
If you read other forums, every single fanbase of our rivals is laughing their collective arses off. They have zero respect for JT's abilities and consider him a garbage qb. The amazing thing, despite him holding all the OSU qb records, if you ask the average OSU fan to list great OSU qb's from their lifetime I'm sure they'd list Tomczak, Hoying, Germaine, Smith, Pryor, Miller, and Jones before JT. JT puffed up his stats by feasting on bad teams.
The other QBs you listed beat good teams. JT has struggled to do that. I'm sorry but I don't think JT rises to the occasion in memorable marquee matchups. Pryor, Jones, Smith, Germaine, etc. won huge games with all the chips on the table. Braxton lost his last 2 games as a QB but had some amazing feats of heroism prior to that. JTs finest plays against the toughest competition are frankly hard to recall at the moment.
My list would also include a guy named Krenzel.He didn't have a huge arm and he couldn't run fast either, but he was never timid or indecisive. He was fearless.
When I think of Krenzel I go to the holy buckeye play against Purdue. Such massive cahoneys it took to chuck the ball to the end zone on fourth down
I feel bad for J.T at this point. I think he has the talent to get the job done but these offensive play calls are awful. We have about 8 plays we run every game. I could cover the routes our WR's are running. They run eight yards and turn around and stand there.
I'm a fan of J.T and I think this offense has put him in a tough spot. That being said I wouldn't be against getting Haskins or Burrow some series with the first team O.
The wide open fly routes and 5 yard in the dirt passes to the flats say different.
We have about 8 plays we run every game because JT can't run more than that. He simply cannot make the throws that would allow the coaches to call different plays. I would be very surprised if Kevin Wilson hasn't asked Meyer if they can make a switch.
Still blaming the playcalling??? Wow! I mean no disrespect, but I think it's pretty clear at this point that JT is the problem. We've got a new QB coach. And if you look at Kevin Wilson's resume, there's a mountain of evidence that will testify to him being a great offensive mind.
I actually feel bad for our offensive coaches. I absolutely love Urban Meyer, but if he's not open to the idea of a QB change, then it appears that he has set Wilson and Day up for failure to do an impossible job. Trying to call a game with JT at QB against a talented and well coached defense is like trying to box a title contender with one had tied behind your back. Opposing D-coordinators have been getting very bold against JT because they've realized just how limited he is.
I think that this has now become a recruiting problem. If I'm the next Haskins or Burrow or Martell, and I see this kind of utter deference to the incumbent, I'll go elsewhere. Either the best man plays or not.
If Meyer does think JT is the best man, he should stick to his guns. But it will be perceived as an inherited rather than meritorious start for JT by recruits.
also, I know very little.
After tonight I'd take Todd boeckman back as qb!
If JT was really the leader that will do anything for the good of the team he would step down as the starter.
Bye Emory Jones - Enjoy Bama.
To bad any other postion open compentition best man gets job at QB there is no such thing sigh
So he admits "I missed a lot of throws" but he's still the guy?
Missed a lot of throws? You're the fucking quarterback... you're supposed to make throws and you're supposed to even make some really difficult ones at times.
I think it's really hard to open up a QB competition in the season, but they should have done it in the spring anyway. I think they need to give Haskins a look next week. At least we play two teams we should beat soundly. Give the young guys a shot and see if they have any juice. Hell it can't get much worse than it is
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
I would like to know the reasoning behind it. What has JT done to earn that spot?
Wherever you are, there you be!
Recruit dynamic play makers at WR. CHECK. Hire dynamic OC. CHECK. Start a dynamic QB that can implement the game plan and get the ball to the WR's. .........
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation
Well, the world turns and the sun rises. Time for coffee, as I think it's going to be a long day of recovery after last night's excesses.
And a Good Morning to you, too, Hove.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
I know how you feel, GTH.
About to take a good long shower. It may be a long season, but it can wait...I'll find a way to enjoy this day yet.
JT is one of the best OSU QB's of all time. Losses happen people! Get over it and stop whining like lil b*tches
still tweaking I see....................
If you want to defend JT, that's fine. But bring some substance please. I for one am not satisfied with the current situation. Forgive me for believing our team is capable of a lot more than performances like this.
This is the definition of insanity. Gahhh
"You are confined only by the walls you build yourself."
My expectations have really been tempered after these two games. I am still hopeful for a strong bowl game, but playoffs are almost out the window. Unless we markedly improve
You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.
I agree. But it sounds like Urban is digging in his heels. I guess he figures this loss was just an aberration. I fear it may not be.
This is a lost season. Need to start playing freshman to gain experience.... December 20th bowl game bound.
I said that last night. This is not a national championship team, time to get the QB who will compete for our next one some experience.
9-3 in 2017.
Does anyone do that in college football? I mean have you ever seen a coach bench upper classmen for young players and basically say "we give up this season and are starting to prepare for next year"?
You do that and all the seniors will basically quit.
We did it with Pryor.
Jt you have been starting for the last 4 years and you don't know how to throw against a zone defense? No the problem is you just can't throw period
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
For better or worse, I think it's going to be Maryland that finally opens Urban's eyes to where we stand with Barrett. Take a loss in that game and the talking heads are gonna be all over "Meyer is on the hot seat."
If it isn't Maryland, I'd say Nebraska. It might take a loss in either of those to get a new QB.
Urban needs to stop playing favorites and start making decisions for what's best for the team. First it was Braxton and now JT and it's cost them multiple games. Get your nose out of JT's ass Urban!!! Time for Haskins
There will be 2 more losses and the end of Urbans dominance
And to follow up....these inexcusable losses have come during big recruiting weekends. I bet the recruits who were at the game are disgusted by the horrible performance. Especially the WR recruits.
Well it looks like the same old offense, against good competition we are slow and getting Slower with tempo we struggle to move the chains, running the ball outside, passing the ball outside, its 3rd down 4 yards to go and we throw a 2 yard pass. Now I will admit WRs dropped very catchable passes this game as well. But the source of problem is Jt aka "securtiy blanket" Barrett which he throws to the guy that is open rather then throw to get the guy open. He lacks confidence in his passing , he was slow at option reads and just handing the ball off in general. He flops down to the ground every chance he gets instead of gaining more yards. He is no longer threat. Everyone has him figured out . I mean EVERYONE, I really hope urban is not this blind to see the source that has been watering down our offense. We have 4 easily winnable games coming up we can test Haskins hell even Martell. The only thing I'm predicting that will happen is they don't take advantage of these 4 games us Jt and Jt feeds over these lesser talented teams and everyone goes back to saying well Jt is back, Jt is the "man" until we meet with penn state and then realize that he not producing yet again then lose the game. At this rate All I'm asking for is to win our damn conference. Playoffs is completely out the window until we can fix the source.
Fans need to realize that this is NOT a CFP ready team. Not even close. I don't care how many stars they have. Love Urban, but I believe he's making a big mistake riding that same horse into battle every week.
We got smoked. You could feel it from the beginning. I'll watch the games, but I really don't expect a different result.
JT has done a lot for this team and loyalty is a good thing. But unless I'm mistaken the goal is to win games. The best way to make that happen is by playing the best players. I'm pretty sure JT is NOT our best QB right now. Urban owes it to the team to play the best players at EVERY position... With this defense and JT at QB we're looking at a 10-2 or 9-3 regular season.
There is no way we win nine games with JT as QB.
they should beat Army (should), will beat UNLV,Illinois and Rutgers, will lose to PSU and scum, and they will drop at least one (probably 2) to Iowa, Sparty, Nebraska and Maryland. 8-4 or 7-5 is my prediction.
If I'm Emory Jones, I de-commit TODAY.
JT will be gone after this season so Emory won't have to worry about him. Hopefully he remembers that and sticks around. But besides just trying to win games this year, one of the secondary reasons we need to bench JT is so our offensive coaches can prove that they are still competent. It will be tough to lure the high-end offensive skill guys that we're used to if our offensive output continues at this level.
Even if JT is gone after this year, I wouldn't want to come to Ohio state if I perceived that if urban is going to stick with whatever guy he is loyal to, and not the best guy, why should I sit around for 2-3 years to maybe play after everyone else is gone rather than go somewhere to be the guy immediately?
No surprise here as no coach is going to sacrifice wins in order to prepare for the future.
I just wish there were more honesty here. JT is a good distributer and nothing more. He will win games against weaker competition and cannot take a team to playoff wins. His passes are way slow in arriving to receivers which allows defenses time to adjust to throws. Compounding the problem is that JT knows that he is not an elite passer which makes him hesitant to throw unless he sees a wide open receiver. Everyone with a coaching staff worth a damn has the book "How to defend OSU with Barrett at QB".
Makes me sick that there is so much talent on the team that is wasted with a QB that can never improve.
First and goal at the five and Arch is getting the ball.
He has been, and will continue, sacrificing wins for as long as he plays Barrett.
JT was late half the time on his throws. We got a good look (Mayfield)of what a top QB looks like last night. We were asked on here what we expected our record to be this year a while back and I said 10-2 for the regular season but this is one I thought we would win. Now I think 9-3 mostly because the staff was stuck on JT. He's not the only problem though. Our corners are TOO little to be physically enough to compete. Arnette is a joke. Might as well take a few lumps with more talented freshman. Our LBs lack discipline. The LBs were looking in the backfield all night while their responsibility ran right by them open. They also looked slow in space. I expected this and prepared myself for this so I'm not as upset as other who think JT is everything and nothing is his fault. Prepare yourselves because we have a few more coming with the status quo.
I think 9-3 is best case scenario unless significant changes are made. I see 8-4 or 7-5. wins against indiana, army, unlv, illinois, rutgers. loses to PSU, scum, oklahoma. toss up against iowa, sparty, maryland, and nebraska. i think they lose 2 out of those 4
We've worked extremely hard at it. It wasn't good tonight. We've got to get the damn thing fixed, and we will."
JT is was he is. It is not going change, so don't expect the results to change. If we can't run the ball against good teams, we are in trouble because we don't have an effective plan B. While the defense surely needs to play better, the offense consistently puts them on field with quick 3 and outs.
This reminds me of 2015 QB controversy. Seems to me that the solution then was not so clear as everyone thought.
It is clear that J.T. is the quarterback for 2017 regardless of how badly the Team struggles passing the football. I'm fine with Coach Meyer being loyal to great young man, but that decision requires him to make some realistic changes to his offensive strategy. The QB is not accurate throwing the ball, the Offensive line struggles with pass protection, and there is apparently no elite receivers on this roster that can consistently get separation and make difficult catches(And easy ones as well). So why continue to bang your head into the wall? You have two very good running backs, a QB who does run well most of the time, and an offensive line that is more consistent at run blocking. We need a Wisconsin type of offense with our personnel, but Coach is too proud to admit that the problems are bigger then schematic errors. Pound the football with you two-headed running back and mix in some QB runs, this will set up some play-action passing opportunities. Yes, the team will only win 8 or 9 games, but that is what you get when you have a one dimensional offense.
not sure if you noticed or not, but Wisconsin can throw the ball deep with consistency. maybe they need to go look at some old stanford tapes when they put an extra lineman on the line in order to run the ball or go double tight end more often. (whatever happened to the tight end last night by the way??? gisecki looks like a genius going to PSU instead of us).
the next 'big game' loss may change his thinking...
15-1 is SWEET!
"Wilson said he and the rest of Ohio State’s coaching staff have a responsibility to "put (Barrett) in better situations."
"He has been great his whole career and he had an outstanding preseason," Wilson said. "I don't think we did a good job. We didn't calculate as well as we should. We've got a lot of work to do.""
Like Meyer says, who wants to be average? These coaches are paid too much money to be average.
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
Wilson is not average. He's just trying to cover up for a bad QB because Wilson is a good soldier and is not going to throw his boss's favorite kid under the bus.
While Barrett felt that he made progress going against Ohio State’s defense during the offseason, he said the Buckeyes play mostly man coverage in practice, which means he need to work on developing more trust in connecting with his receivers in tight windows against zone coverage
This is an embarrassing statement. You don't practice against zone much during practice although you see it nearly every week? What?
now all you think JT is terrible. Been telling you for 2 years he is a RB playing QB.
You were not alone.
His 4.8 speed isn't good enough to play RB at Ohio State
So Urban is pretty much saying our coaches, oline and receivers must play/coach a perfect game in order for jt Barrett to have a decent game. Our talent is better then others but is very handicapped by our inability to throw past 15 yards "thru the air". When other coaches and players are calling out your quarterback publicly its bad. If they say that in front of cameras just imagine what they're saying at practice. Urban has to see this man. I love urban but you have to own up to it and fix it without blaming everyone but him.
Exactly. Barrett is solid when EVERYTHING around him is perfect.
Lord forgive me. But you're an ass.
If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die.
I may be an ass but at least I dont have my head up up my ass in a safe zone like you jt apologist. Its clear as day he's making excuses for him. He loves him like a child so I understand it.
I was talking to the other guy, but if the shoe fits?? And based on your view on the receiving situation, it looks like it's a perfect fit.
If the opposing team's DBs are running our routs better than our receivers it doesn't matter who is playing stinking QB.
Well when they have zero fear of the deep ball thats what happens they squeeze down on your short routes. How many couches and players have publicly said this much? Keep blaming everyone else buddy. When they do get open he misses them very badly.
*WORTH THE READ*
So to preface this comment, I'll remind you all of the magical 2014-2015 season. It was great, wasn't it? I'll start off with the relatively minor things and then work up. First off we have penalties. By no means was this why we lost, but there were penalties against Ohio State in that game, and against great teams, you can't make mistakes like that. Next, there was a great defense that could match-up against the best offenses. If we examine that year's defense we have names like Darron Lee, Joey Bosa, Eli Apple, Vonn Bell, Adolphus Washington, and Tyvis Powell. This team made plays when it had to, and never allowed itself to be scorched when the game mattered- at least they won games when they needed to. The offensive line was also solid. Taylor Decker, Jacoby Boren, and Pat Elflein anchored the line giving the quarterback ample time to make a play. Lastly, there was a passing game. Devin Smith and Michael Thomas eviscerated opposing defenses with names like Evan Spencer and Jalin Marshall being credible threats that defenses had to account for.
Let's fast forward to today. The secondary isn't looking great. Now, to be fair, the secondary in the 2014 season didn't look great against a 6-6 Hokies team that beat OSU in week two by putting up 35 points. But they also didn't get scorched in the passing game against Navy, albeit the triple option devasted them. And let's be honest, that secondary didn't face elite QBs until Marcus Mariota. However, they faced plenty of good QBs and shut them down. Connor Cook and Blake Sims are examples. The offensive line for that team worked hard and became solid. Ohio State still is liable at right tackle, a position they were liable at last year as well. If that hasn't changed in a season + an offseason, a year in total, what makes you think it'll magically change now? Lastly, the passing game. From what I recall, Ohio State made sure to emphasize the passing game in big games. They took downfield shots. They had slanting routes. If you forgot, go watch the OSU vs MSU game back in 2014. Michael Thomas had a long TD off of a slant route.
When we come to this year, those factors are nonexistent. The secondary can't play consistent man coverage. Well, I guess there's no work around to that except... OH WAIT! THERE"S A THING CALLED ZONE DEFENSE! Now, truly elite QBs can squeeze passes into zone holes, but until the secondary's man coverage skills improve the defensive coordinators can call zone plays with the occasional man to man coverage play called. Also, Kyle Jones published an article a while back about how the new defensive scheme had lineman creating more pressure as opposed to linebackers getting more sacks or something. Could that be impacting it? Probably not, as Ohio State's defensive line is arguably the best in the country, with only Clemson as a rival. The offensive line is shaky as always. If it's lack of development, OSU should fire Greg Studrawa re-hire Ed Warriner as an offensive line coach and nothing more. Since 2015, when Studrawa was hired, the offensive line has been relying on talent. Warriner seemed to be able to develop recruits. Lastly, the pass game. This one deserves its own paragraph.
Ok, so in 2014 we had a reliable deep threat and a great route runner: Devin Smith and Michael Thomas. Why can't other players like them be developed? Is Zach Smith just not the guy anymore? He's a stud recruiter, but what has he done with the 4 and 5-star talent he's brought in? I'd rather have OSU get a 3-star guy (like Malik Hooker or Darron Lee), develop him, and make him more impactful than have a 4 or 5-star player that just doesn't produce. This accounts for all WR flaws. Now, the quarterback. JT was pretty good in 2014. By no means was he the best quarterback in the country (Jameis, Marcus clearly were), but he distributed the ball well, made smart decisions, and did enough to win. Craig Krenzel-esque. That's all they needed. However, as we all know, Barrett broke his ankle against TTUN. Enter the man: Dolo Dale, 12 guage, poacher of badger and slayer of ducks. He was quite refreshing. Now, Barrett may have had the same outcomes as Cardale, but here's why I believe not. Cardale could throw. He threw 50-50 balls to his receivers and trusted in them. He ran when he had to, but not too frequently. Defenses had to respect the run, but it wasn't predictable. Cardale wasn't afraid to screw up, and his receivers rewarded that faith. JT isn't doing the same. Now, he definitely got away with more in 2014-2015 because his receiving cast was incredible, but when it isn't, he's not the guy. His lack of faith and accuracy makes the passing game terrible. He's not good if his playmakers aren't elite. Don't forget Zeke by the way, he probably helped keep defenses honest. I saw Joey Burrow and Dwayne Haskins throw in the Fiesta Bowl warm-ups. They threw the ball on the money consistently.
Lastly, the play calling has just been bad. Maybe Meyer's play calling is getting old. He starts regressing the more time he spends in a place as seen by Florida. Maybe it really was just bad culture there, maybe it was the fact the team was actually not good. Who knows? Meyer being wedded to JT is not a good thing- when you have more capable quarterbacks, quarterbacks who give me hope of a national championship, why not use them? Even Micah Parsons, a 5-star recruit, wants Dwayne Haskins to play. Maybe we do speak some truth Urban. We don't get paid millions to coach like you, but we do love our Buckeyes and are not afraid to speak our mind (evidenced by me ranting, sorry).
LeBron is the GOAT.
I am not a football player or a coach. I understand that JT is the leader of the team and benching him would not be good for the locker room.
THERE IS NO SPARK. I think there is loyalty to a fault, and I think sometimes there comes a point where something has to change. These next couple games, I think backup QBs need playing time and I also believe some freshmen in the secondary need playing time because (although early) it may be time to be prepping the changing of the guard especially at QB. My couch coaching 2 cents.
For me, ANY post that calls a player trash, is very indicative of a douchebag person, who sadly and pathetically, has the emotional control of a two year old, while having their identity tied up in the performance of 18-22 young men, so much so, they call another person trash, over a football play!
How truly sad and miserable is that person!
I have - after 3 years - finally, reluctantly soured on J.T.
BUT- the players trust him. So maybe... if the team trusts in J.T., we should too.
"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland
With no change at quarterback, how does Ohio State’s passing offense get better?
1st Dump that FAUX spread offense that you've been running the last 2+ years. What happened to the jet sweep? It appears that it left Columbus with Tom Herman. As well as the spread offense that left with Tom Herman. When he was the OC you had no idea where the balls going. Now it is so one-dimensional and predictable. All you have to do is look at the overloaded defenses that your kids are facing. They have very little chance against a good team. I.E. Clemson, Oklahoma.
2nd. Turn the offense over to Kevin Wilson and get out of his way. We now know that it was not Warriner or Beck's fault. It is the offensive scheme you have been running. Lean heavily on Kevin Wilson's advice.
Humbly from Your Couch Coach
"There are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad" - the Curse of Woody Hayes
JT - lost his Mojo: