Five Things: Buckeyes Race Past Hoosiers After Sluggish Start

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KBonay's picture

Truth

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

One of the best parts of all this is replacing Dirtbag Art's name with Jt's in the record books.  Viva La IV  

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

I Believe In Ohio State.

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TNT's picture

I agree with all of this. The drops were sickening and I find it difficult to blame JT. 300+ yards on the day for 4 TDs in spite of a blatantly dropped 5th and another huge gain? I'll take it.

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

By my count I had 4 throwaways, 2 drops, one where Baugh got held in the end zone and it wasn't called.  That's 7 throws that were either good decisions or not his fault.

I'd take Barrett's performance over Lagow's any day, solely because Lagow turned the ball over twice and Barrett didn't, which kept the Bucks in the game.

TeamGB

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GareBear's picture

Had to listen to it on the radio. Wasn't super upset during the first half about it, for obvious reasons. Really wishing I had a visual during the second half. 

Thank Woody for 97.1 the FAN. 

Michigan sucks

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Pace'sPancakes's picture

The whole game is on youtube, condensed to 40 minutes, taking out all of the breaks.  All football action.

Because I couldn't go for 3.

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GareBear's picture

Yep, just watched it. Great way to relive without actually investing another 4 hours.

Michigan sucks

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KBonay's picture

Chris-

What do you make of JT being out of sync in the first half?  It seemed like he was hesitant to run.  And there didn't seem to be much, if any QB runs called.  Was that a top down decision?  Because it felt like it took him out of the game.  Second half, got some runs in and settled into his game.
Seems like whenever we try to become a pass-first team, he struggles.  But the run-pass option he becomes a different QB. 

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Buck68's picture

...it seems JT is more accurate and timely 'on the run' than in the pocket, esp on med-long throws.

opponents are catching on quicker to the zone-read formation and JT in the no-back set.  Reduce # times used; disguise; more QB audible/execution options?

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DCDDC's picture

Maybe because he can see down the field better when moving around.  ???

I'm just happy its started with a win. 

GO BUCKS!!!

m GO BLOW!!!

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balmerbuck's picture

It seemed to me in the first half, we stunk on obvious 3rd down passes. In the 2nd half,we had less third and long and we were able to run for it. Seemed like we were forcing it with the playcalling in the first half.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Looking at the play-by-play, a lot of those third down passes were set up by poor pass plays on 1st and/or 2nd down, and poor run execution on early downs.  The run blocking, and 3rd down and distance remaining, improved a lot late in the second quarter during the TD drive.

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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DCDDC's picture

Forcing, and the coaches were really slow at getting the play to the field.

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Last12C's picture

I heard something about a technical issue with communications between JT and Day in the first quarter/half.  Anybody got the deets on that?

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EMoThaGr8's picture

It seemed like he was hesitant to run.

Yeah, I noticed that too

 And there didn't seem to be much, if any QB runs called.  Was that a top down decision?

That's what I gathered. It especially became apparent to me that there has been a philosophical change later in the 2nd half when JT scrambled for a considerable gain and opted to go to the ground. The JT of years past would have smashed forward for 4-5 more yards. 

The Buckeye behind enemy lines...

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armynurseboy's picture

that's the difference between being 18 and 22...... ;o)

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DCDDC's picture

J.T. seems to throw better after a few runs of his own.

m GO BLOW!!!

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Kindell's picture

The best thing about last night was the fact that  we didn't panic with our play calling and run JT 30 times!!  It's a lot easier to get going as a QB when you are not taking dozens of hits on carries and getting fatigued.  I really hope the coaching staff sticks to that approach all year long.  JT Barrett is never going to be an elite thrower, but he has shown the ability to get the ball to his play makers in the past.

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krakatoa64's picture

im hoping dobbins gets 20ish carries and weber gets 12-15 a game with jt only running 5 times at the most. 

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

I was wondering how many bad "hit them in the hands" drops their were. I thought of 4, maybe five. 

I think JT threw the ball away 2 times intentionally. 

So adjusting for that, he's completion percentage would be 69% (nice).

While his 304 is inflated by YAC somewhat, If Paris Campbell catches the deep ball, it would have been a true deep pass. It's probably close to a wash. I'd say this felt more like a 250 yard passing game. Not bad.

I recall 2 really bad overthrows. 2 others looked like the receivers weren't on the same page with the routes. Noteably, JT didn't skip any balls or have underthrows, which he did last year.  Also, I didn't really see him force any bad throws. 

Hes still got work to do. He's not a terrific arm talent. But his call presence and good decision making are bonuses. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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G.'s picture

I don't understand why many people discredit the YAC numbers out of a QBs total yards.. a deep ball is often even more on the receiver to make the play. If a QB hits a receiver short and in stride it's easier for the receiver to get YAC, especially these freak athletes. If a QB puts the ball 60 yards downfield the receiver has to now make conscious adjustments in space and fight through defenders to be in the exact position to make the catch... Much more a receiver can do to mess it up in that situation than when the QB fired it in their hands at close range. So my take is that the receivers deserve much credit for beasting YAC, but those yards are also highly dependant on the QB maybe moreso than the deep ball. Mike Evans made this point at A&M where he made that little turd qb look like he could throw deep.

G.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I don't understand why many people discredit the YAC numbers out of a QBs total yards..

Anybody remember a guy named Sammy Watkins?  I still have nightmares about that guy.  16 catches for 226 yards in the 2014 Orange Bowl, and I think 275 of those yards were after the catch.  I didn't hear anyone bashing Taj Boyd for his 31-40 for 378 yards in that game.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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G.'s picture

Right.. it's not like the ball was just going where Boyd threw it and dragging Watkins along for the ride or something. Whatevs, I'll take YAC all day if it means high percentage completions and moving the ball downfield.

G.

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Tidus Powell's picture

To answer the question in your first sentence: no. I have no memory of such a person. None. Just as I have no memory of Ohio State being in a bowl game after the 2013 or 2016 seasons.

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EMoThaGr8's picture

I don't understand why many people discredit the YAC numbers out of a QBs total yards

Exactly G. I distinctly remember a guy named Jerry Rice who made it to the NFL HOF with some pretty hefty YAC numbers, from passes from guys like Joe Montana and Steve Young, who are in that same HOF. 

The Buckeye behind enemy lines...

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balmerbuck's picture

We should be celebrating the YAC. I don't know how many times last year JT put the ball behind a receiver and didn't hit him in stride like the Parris Campbell TD ( and did you see JT look off the two underneath guys?).

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G.'s picture

Aaaaaand, it'll be nice to have multiple threats at receiver... Good start so far. Waiting for Victor to appear as our red zone fade guy.

G.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

He was also hurried/hit on 2-3 more throws.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Tidus Powell's picture

A certain drop rate is expected from receivers (probably anywhere from 3-8%), and all QBs will throw the ball away, ~so you can't do that~ with completion percentage.

Also, why are all the receiver-QB miscommunications the receiver's fault?

I'm being possibly harsher than is warranted on JT, whose second half may have been good enough to be competitive against an actually good team, but that's only because this site and its *soooooo* full-throttled in praise that there needs to be some balance. I'm just trying to balance the force here. Like a Jedi? Like a Jedi.

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TShell's picture

In a miscommunication I'll side with the 5th year senior playing in his 4th season of live game action over the second year player that didn't even get much live action the previous year. (Talking about the one to Mack in the end zone, not sure which others there were).

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Were they miscommunications or misreads?  IIRC, ESPN's sideline reporter mentioned the WRs were coming up to Barrett in the first half and apologizing to him, saying 'my bad'.  They may be just good teammates, or they may be honest.  I'm siding with the 5th senior playing in his 4th season on misreads.

By the way, notice the difference on Barrett responds to a misread/miscommunication?  I've never seen him tear into a receiver for screwing up.  That's the sign of a leader.  Jones publicly berated WRs a few times in 2015, and I think he lost some respect from those he chewed out. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Tidus Powell's picture

Barrett's a damn good leader of football players.

And I hate that I can't mention that! He really is a good leader! His on- and off-field demeanor are excellent! His ball protection is good! There are legitimately good aspects to Barrett, and I recognize them.

But because we just went an entire offseason blaming every. damn. thing on Beck, Warriner, the O-Line, Campbell, and every damn other person related to the offense except JT Barrett, there's been nothing even resembling a breakdown of JT Barrett that isn't born from the school's long tradition of pretty damn mediocre QBs.

I'm a one-sided negative because this site is overwhelmingly one-sided positive. So it helps balance out the overall tenor of the site to something that might be nearer the reality of the situation. I want to appreciate things as they are, without embellishment or slander, without aggrandizement or innuendo.

So some realities: JT is a better QB than anyone commenting here will ever be. It is unlikely that any of us will ever know someone who will ever be a better QB than JT. He is a good enough QB to have been granted control of a D1 offense, and one with as weighty expectations as can exist in this sport. He has handled that pressure with focus, as he has handled the scrutiny with grace. He is an exceedingly tough MF, and is as ardent a Buckeye leader as we've had.

These are the realities of JT Barrett. These are facts one can appreciate. And one can appreciate them all without acting as though he can, without a doubt, be the quarterback that catalyzes an elite passing offense.

And hell, I might even be wrong about that last point. But the problem is that no writer here has *done* so, because the possibility has just been suffocated with 'did you hear yhat day and wilson are here WHOO problem solved' or 'jt will start in september, whether u like it or not.'

So we're here.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

I think that's a healthy perspective. What's interesting to me, though, is that I think this site is often overly negative toward JT. 

Cardale wasn't as good of a college QB as JT. Better arm talent. Not a better QB. Better NFL prospect. Not a better OSU QB. 

The offense... and JT ... regressed after Herman left. They sucked up 2015 and when all that talent went to the NFL, they sucked even more in 2016. 

JT is what he is. A much better version of Craig Krenzel. Our Tim Tebow. A close but not quite as good Alex Smith. 

Last night he played great on the opening drive. Then he and the whole offense was bad until they scored the first TD.  

Mack ran some bad routes, of he would have had a TD or two. He's still learning. Watch the tape and you can see JT throw to the spot where the ball should have gone.

Eliminate the Paris Campbell drop and I think almost all this criticism of JT goes away.  Once he completes a couple deep passes (and he needs his WR to catch them) the narrative will switch. 

So, like you, I want us to honestly assess JT. And honestly, he had a good game. QB is more than arm talent.  Plus, Indiana had a great first half game plan on D.  The second half was great. Not much OSU could do better besides catch the ball. 

And I say all this believing that JT will never be a starting NFL QB. His game suits college very well, like Tebow.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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Tidus Powell's picture

Progress. This is enough detail for me to abandon this thread.

Because I do disagree with a fair number of things here - THAT this site is too negative toward JT (though I can understand what sort of mindset would think that - one that's way the hell more positive on JT-as-deserving-heisman-candidate than I). Moreover, I think you're underselling how fearsome Tebow was, or are high on JT beyond what may be reasonable.

But this thread, at least, has run its course.

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niblick's picture

Denzel Ward's a millionaire come April, dude is simply next.

Not worried about the LB's either, they are solid.

Weber better pray his hammy heals quickly or you can mail him a Wally Pipp / Drew Bledsoe jersey now.

O-line is still average, JT still misses WAY too many throws.  Love the kid, great leader, average QB.  Our WR core as a whole is still sub-par.  I'm not gonna go rub my pecker over Campbell breaking one tackle and out running guys that any of our wr's should be able to out run.  They still cant get 1 on 1 separation to save their lives and there and still too many drops.

I'll take it for week 1, but that performance x 12 doesn't get it done.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

WRs are living and can get separation.

Seems the narrative that masks other passing issues, won't stop to save lives.  Oh well!

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GareBear's picture

rub your whatnow over who'sthatnow?

Michigan sucks

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Buckloving's picture

Niblick you must be new. He had a game last year he missed 4 TD passes in one game and 90 percent of the people on here made excuses for him. Every time our offense struggled last year it was excuse after excuse. "Must be nice to win by 20 and still bitch about it " That kinda stuff. Of course when we got embarrassed by Clemson you couldn't find those guys. Have fun with them. I do. You can't take them serious

bobbyd

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niblick's picture

oh ive dealt with them before, they don't listen and honestly don't know wtf they are talking about.  it's the same ones that kept saying "It's going to click for Dontre Wilson this year".  Our fans are loyal, but a lot of them are loyal to a fault and don't know shit beyond "if they wear our uniform they must be great" and if you point out truths that are negative, you're just not a real fan hehehe.

I like JT.  Love him as a leader, and he's a hell of a competitor and has the PERFECT demeanor for a QB.  He is, AT BEST, an average passer.  People wanna jerk off over his career numbers and records he's broken and that's fine, he's earned the right for his name to be on top of those lists.  But do you realize what numbers Troy Smith or even Joe Germaine would have put up in 4 years of Urban's offense?  Or Pryor in Urban's offense and a real QB coach, not a video coordinator?  Jesus Christ there would be monuments built all over the city.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This is good comedy.  Amidst your circle jerk and bogus air of superiority ("those people don't know what they are talking about") you try and make a point with a hypothetical.  I hate when sports fan commit fan boy error #12 by trying to win an argument with information that can't be known--there isn't a person alive who knows how Troy Smith would have done under Meyer because it never happened.  You want to be taken seriously, stop acting smug and making bogus fan boy arguments.  And I will tell you this much, If I want feed back on what kind of QB JT is, I will listen to pro scouts, former qb's, coaches, etc, and not some screaming head on the internet.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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saintstephen11's picture

We will know how good JT really is when the NFL draft comes around.  If he gets drafted, then we can say he was a good/great QB/passer. If not, that will put it rest as to whether he was a great QB or not. My guess is that at best he is a late round draft pick and most likely he goes undrafted. We will find out soon enough.

Those that say he is a great leader/decision maker but very mediocre passer are probably most accurate ... but who knows? Time will tell.

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TMac's picture

IF we had TDs rather than FGs in the first half and Paris catches that near perfect ball in the end zone, how happy are you then?

I think we'll get better in 10 days, and we aren't that far off to start with. 

Kudos to IU, Lagow getting it so dang quick, and some great WR play, before the adjustments. 

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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stuckupnorth's picture

That's the problem two fg instead of td. Elite even good offenses will at least get split 2 fg for 1 td. Missing open recievers in the end zone will do that.The dropped td sucks. 

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

He missed Baugh, true. 

Mack ran the wrong route on his. JT was throwing a corner route where he thought Mack would be. Later in the game, JT threw to a spot in his outside shoulder, missing Mack. But watching the replay, Mack should have been there too. 

JT had 2-3 bad throws.  Receivers dropped 4. And it looked like on another 4, the receivers and JT weren't on the same page as to where they should be.... and JT looked to be right. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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Ole Buckeye's picture

yeah, I recall Mack turning down by the goal line to face JT but he didn't get around all the way - JT threw the ball to a spot that was a 270 degree turn, but Mack only turned like 180.

That's what I remember thinking at the time.

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cledaybuck's picture

He missed Baugh, true.

The pass to Baugh would have been a TD if he didn't get held.

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buckeyepastor's picture

I was thinking that the placement of where JT threw that one looked pretty good for where he was on the field at time of release.   I also was thinking to myself, "How is it that our TE is seeing more deep ball opportunities than our WRs?"  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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stuckupnorth's picture

I thought on the first drive he missed Mack as well, and then with about 2:00 left in first half he over threw on a crossing route. The drops by the receivers definitely killed confidence. That said the second half was a better called game plan. It makes me wonder though how half of the country can break in new receivers and not really skip a beat but a fifth year senior has not shown the ability to gel an offensive squad in 2+ years. Hopefully these "timing" issues with second and third year players get worked out.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

It makes me wonder though how half of the country can break in new receivers and not really skip a beat but a fifth year senior has not shown the ability to gel an offensive squad in 2+ years.

Don't kid yourself.  Clemson struggled in some early games last season.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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BuckeyeGuy33's picture

+ Struggled tremendously at times

F#@k 'em, Run 'em over! - Woody on tTUN

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Opener at Auburn was an ugly 19-13 win. Came back to Death Valley and stunk up the place with at 30-24 win over Troy.  In mid-Oct, there was that lovely OT win over NC State at home,  24-17. And who could forget the heartbreaker against Pitt, 42-43, also at home.

Did I mention that Watson went 19 of 34 for 248 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT and fumble in that opener against Auburn. At least he had 11 rushing attempts for 21 yds, though. 

Or that he was 27 of 53 for 292 yds, 3 TD, and 2 INT the next week against Troy.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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stuckupnorth's picture

Not sure what "games" plural you are referring to. Worst passing game I saw was Auburn 19-34 248 yds and a TD and a pick

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

See above.  The next game against Troy was equally bad.  He had at least one or two more games where his completion percentage was in the 50s or 60s.

Point being, they were early games. And the Auburn game resembled OSU's game vs. IU in a lot of ways.  AU finished 8-5 last year - not exactly a powerhouse, but a P-5 opponent.  The game was also a road opener for Clemson.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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stuckupnorth's picture

That first game was the "worst" of the year Tulane wasn't all world but not that bad. Again those were his worst games. Look up JT best games and compare them to Watson best. Then look up JT worst games there is a pattern of lackluster play. If the worst game JT had was 240 yds with a pick and a td I would be tickled pink . 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Tulane?  It was Auburn. 

And the point wasn't to compare Barrett and Watson directly. I was responding to the OP's commemt about teams replacing receivers without a hiccup, except OSU. 

The truth is, they don't. Everyone has growing pains early, even eventual NC's. I was using Clemson as the example. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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stuckupnorth's picture

I should have used a comma between auburn and Tulane. He didn't play out of his mind but the worst he played is those first couple games. Those are not terrible games. Look up some of JT worst games at any point in the season and there is a trend he struggles against half way talented teams. I know the point is replacing wr early in the season. Look at Tulane and auburn games. They are not that bad breaking in new wr. OSU has been breaking in new recievers since JT took over it seems. That's the way it looks to me. If JT put up stats like Clemson did in there first two games of the year I wouldn't mind if he looked almost like that every week. Fact of the matter is he fades against anyone with a pulse. Mack,Victor,Parris, Terry M, Dixon have been there long enough. At least 2 years some have been there 3 plus. If you haven't developed timing by now? It's college where teams turn over players left and right. By all accounts they are veterans. I know none of them have many catches but that is the reality of college football. Alabama turns out WR  year after year as well as USC,Clemson,Michigan. Thanks for being a grown up and having a debate. Nice to have a differing view without the childish name calling. 

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Same ole' verse same as the first.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Thanks back at ya, BUN. Good discussion. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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SaltyD0gg's picture

QBs who can't make decisions as quickly as Lagow and get it out that quickly have to be terrified. This D-line is going to massacre people. They were really close a lot despite the speed of the throws. Playing Lagow and Mayfield early is just going to benefit this defense for the schedule following it. I just don't see any other teams being prepared to operate as quickly as IU did last night - that pace was crazy fast.

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stuckupnorth's picture

The drops sucked. Zack smith can recruit that's it. As far as the catch and run that accounted for basically 130 of the 210 yards. Yes he did hit a guy in stride  who was open( he did wait an extra second to throw it till he cleared) and hit Dixon who standing their with no one around him. These are throws that any local high school QB could make. I'm not sure why a big deal is made about them. When is the last time you seen JT throw a guy open. Indiana QB threw darts as does a lot of QB osu plays. JT is not special. Plays his guts out but gets too much credit.Also only 4 catches for 51 yards equals 8 -102 yards for a whole game. 

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Buckeyes17's picture

If JT gets too much credit, he gets too much hate as well. Can't have it one way and not the other. ALSO...

IT IS THE FIRST GAME WITH A NEW SYSTEM AND COACHES.. RELAX

"Khajiit has wares if you have the coin."

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Buck68's picture

Buckeyes17

1.  Sorry, but we're "having it both ways" and then some, on this board & elsewhere.

2. Clue:  this 'system'... is not gnu, knew, or new.   ;-{)}

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armynurseboy's picture

Against a B1G bowl quality team, not a normal season opener patsy.  There is a reason most teams open with a tomato.....

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

A big deal is made about those plays because on all the other failed passing plays, it's because the WRs couldn't get separation!  /s

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Pace'sPancakes's picture

Indiana's receivers barely had separation.  Most of the throws were made while our guy was all over them.  He just had the confidence to make the throw anyway. 

I like JT's second half performance, but he doesn't have the arm to throw anyone open.  If there is coverage there, he is gun shy.

Because I couldn't go for 3.

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krodawg's picture

Mmmmm pancakes....

He had the confidence, yes. Also ended up with 2 INTs.

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Chris Lauderback's picture

Re: Cobbs - yep 4/51 extrapolated out is 8/102 but when the opponent throws it 65 times the traditional yards per expectations have to adjust a little, no?

as for JT, im not insinuating those were tough throws. That said, his haters (not saying you specifically) would find something wrong in everything he does or choose to ignore what he does right. Just the way it is at that position at a big time program. 27-4 doesn't suck in my eyes nor does 4 TD on the road in an opener against a non-cupcake. 

fenger's picture

I love the guy as a leader.  Two notables that I REALLY wanted to see coming out of fall camp that I did not see,

  1. Where are the 50/50 balls that were talked so much about from spring-fall camp?  
  2. The anticipatory throws that Ryan Day was supposed to help JT throw more of? 

On a side note, while watching the Megacast, when they panned to Day, I really didn't see him doing too much play calling. I'm thinking they could experiment with him on the field adjusting with JT's head real-time instead of being up there.

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cledaybuck's picture

On a side note, while watching the Megacast, when they panned to Day, I really didn't see him doing too much play calling.

We saw him picking his nose though.

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Pace'sPancakes's picture

HA!  At least he didn't pull a Harbaugh and eat them!

Because I couldn't go for 3.

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stuckupnorth's picture

If coverage is better/circus catches don't happen teams get off of the field. Then you don't get to throw 65 times. Its like not getting defensive rebounds. If you give the other team 3 shots instead of one, chances are they will make score.Gotta stop them in the first place. I do hear what you are saying about throwing it more eventually they will break one. JT does a decent job. I can't argue with that. However he has not shown the ability to make players around him better (i know Urban says QB is product of those around him). In the biggest games he has not shown up. He has played decent in some big games but elite only MSU in Title year can I remember him beating a high quality opponent that he was directly responsible for the outcome.MSU 2015 9/16 45 yds 1TD,    2016 MSU 10/22 86 yds 1 td,    2016 clemson 19/33 122 yds 2 picks,   2014 VT 9/29 219 3 pics,  2016 Michigan 15/32 124 yds 1 pick. I'm not saying he aint no good but he aint special. Even when he played well in big games, he was not phenomenal. Oklahoma last years good (thank you Noah Brown).Notre Dame in 2015 was good not great. Both of those teams were not defensive juggernauts. I acknowledge what he does right. He plays hard and is the most gutsy player I've seen at OSU since my main man Craig Krenzel. He has made some great runs and plays with his legs. However people act like he is he does no wrong and it is never his fault. The offense is not efficient with him at the helm.That is a fact. 2 of those TD were the result of his receivers out running everyone. Yes a D1 qb hit two wide open men. any QB playing any level of college football makes those throws 95% of time. the third one was against a broken Indiana team. The rushing TD he had was good. Before that they stalled out Two drives with FG elite QB don't let that happen or let 2.5 quarters go by so sluggish against a mid tier Big Ten team. Game after game after game. I know it was the first game but there is a trend.The offense didn't hardly do anything unless Dobbins moved the ball. I didn't see the pass game take off until the momentum had shifted and Indiana was a broken team. JT did nothing special to ignite the offense. When is the last time you seen him go ham on an opponent the caliber of OSU like Indiana QB did? Ive seen other QB do the same against OSU. They have made plays with their arms. A lot of his stats are over rated. He puts up big numbers against bad/decent teams but craps the bed against the big boys.  

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stuckupnorth's picture

Also its hard not be 27-4 with the absurd amount of talent OSU has. As we have seen even the third string QB can win. I wouldn't put much stock in record in to  relation to how good of a QB he is.

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Buck68's picture

the difference between criticizing, critiquing, and hating, loving ... is often more intent, than content.  Here we see mostly words, not the non-verbal clues of intent.  We also read a lot of 'stuff' with no particular intent at all past self-stroking or hyperbole.

Of course, if words 'actually' meant something close to their definition, intent would be far more clear than in the buzz-o-sphere or chaos.

Yet, amidst any amount and kind of chaff, inasmuch as one looks for useful content... we can usually find some.

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tressel12's picture

You saw the double pump when JT hit Campbell over the middle after Campbell stumbled right? If that's not an example of throwing a guy open I don't know what is.

Because I couldn't go for three. -- Woody Hayes

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stuckupnorth's picture

Im not sure how that is throwing some one open.I would hope a D1 qb could make that throw seeing his receiver hadn't cleared on a crossing pattern. That is not throwing a receiver open. That is a routine 10 yard throw that every program in America runs down to the High School level. He just waited for him to get open.Nothing even remotely special.

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Madaris32's picture

Finally someone is making a good point, relative to JT. Campbell and Dixon turned short yardage routes and manifested them into long TD's. Yes his wr's dropped some passes, however, if you actually analyze the game, the offense still doesn't have flow. Also, the wr's routes are still taking too long to develop. That's on coaching. There's more to the passing than sending your wr's on go routes. There are thousands of wr routes in a route tree, If the coaches utilizes them. There are many opportunities to create open routes or matchup issues for the defense instead of this vanilla offense we keep using. Also, that sack on JT at the end of the 1st half, was his fault. He was nine yards deep in the pocket. He should've stepped up into the pocket to create additional passing lanes. Just saying.

Ivan Madaris

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Pace'sPancakes's picture

I was actually encouraged by the play calling.

It's far from vanilla, IMO.  Last year, when things got tight, we'd run JT over and over.  I'd want to throw the controller through the TV.  I was extremely happy with the play calling last night.

Because I couldn't go for 3.

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boostinbob's picture

he didn't pump to move someone in coverage, he pumped because campbell fell down.

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brutus0717's picture

Buckeyes win by 4 TDs, JT takes heat for not being good. If you add back 3 of the 4 or 5 drops, and give him back one of the 2 throwaways, he's completing passes 69% of the time last night. No interceptions and I'd say he had a pretty good game.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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GoBucks10's picture

The special teams were stellar

There's no points for second place, gentlemen.

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Buck68's picture

thanks for that!   

Except for that 1 long return where our outside right man and his next to got out of their lanes and the IU returner... took advantage....

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cledaybuck's picture

I think that was more on the kick.  With our KO alignment, the kick has to be to that side of the field.  That kick was too much towards the middle which allowed the returner to get outside.

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Buck68's picture

Agree, Cledaybuck, that may have been 'the plan' ... yet reality dictates we execute to the realities.  I wonder which/who is responsible for calling out adjustments to where our K.O. 'really' goes?

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nickel beer's picture

Very true.  Miss those 1st half FGs and it's a hole and a whole lot worse than regret over not scoring TDs instead.

half machine

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Buckeyes17's picture

Again, I've said it 1000 times.

WE are gonna be fine.

Adjustments were made which was super exciting. Herbie said it best, did we all think Wilson and Day were gonna snap their fingers and "BAM!! OFFENSE IS FIXED!!!!"???? No, it takes time. Secondary will be fine too. Good coverage on a lot of those plays. Not every team we play is gonna catch the ball one handed every 3rd down and long.

"Khajiit has wares if you have the coin."

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buckskin's picture

6. Hey Lagow, you didn't win.

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RK84's picture

It reminded me of a basketball game when an underdog comes out on fire, but still cant put the better team away. Second half comes, nerves calm, team comes back to earth, and everything falls into place.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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BuckeyeLion's picture

Sorry if I missed it, but where was Demario McCall last night?

In the poll era (since 1936), OSU is by far the class of the B1G:
National Titles: OSU 8, UM 3
B1G Titles: OSU 33, UM 27
Head-to-head: OSU 42, UM 36
Major Bowls (New Year's Six): OSU 20-14, UM 10-16

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TMac's picture

From UFM's call in show: Meyer said McCall is still working back from sports hernia surgery in the spring, but he's part of the plan. "We're bouncing him back between (running back) and that hybrid. He's just gotta get stronger, faster and stay healthy"

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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Buck68's picture

Translation:  we went overboard with the weight gain thing... now 'adjusting'...

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RUNTOWIN's picture

Didn't seem to me that JT was out of sync. He threw it away when people were covered. All the drops were drive extenders if caught. He had the dropped TD pass. Also the hold on Baugh in the end zone that wasn't called was on the money and probably aTD if the hold didn't happen. 

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Tyvis'sGrandpa's picture

He didn't throw to a wide-open Mack in the end zone on two separate occasions.

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jedkat's picture

strap it on, go out there and you make the throw. Give me a break, misses happen. Sorry it wasn't 63-21.

"just a guy, nothing more, nothing less" ~ Some troll then *poof* he was gone

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Tyvis'sGrandpa's picture

JT still can't complete a 15-yard pass and this will greater limit what Kevin Wilson can do with the offense

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LouBuck35's picture

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Not true. 

JT had some nice over the middle passes and showed some nice touch last night. 

Mack was not on the same page as JT on a few routes. And I blame Mack. Where JT was throwing to, or expected Mack to be, was wide open. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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GIBS_STI's picture

Excellent point. Mack broke inside JT threw outside to the open part of the end zone. Simple miss communication. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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buckeyepastor's picture

He completed several that far downfield last night.  He also threw a picture perfect strike to Campbell that was reminiscent of his play in 2014 (made me think of his deep ball to Devin Smith against MSU) that was dropped.  

Also, he threw a couple of pretty good balls into the corner of the end zone last night - one that narrowly missed Baugh but was very well-placed.  Another that Mack wasn't able to haul in but was on the mark and drew a PI penalty in the end zone.   

I saw a lot less last night of the "in the dirt" short hop throws or passes behind receivers that were too common in 2016.   He didn't look elite last night, but he looked improved.   I would like to see more of him "throwing guys open" and giving guys opportunities to make plays on the ball.  But given the drops that we continued to see last night, and the lack of separation on several occasions, I can see why he would still be a little hesitant.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Kindell's picture

74 yard TD and 59 Yard TD.  I don't care how far the ball traveled in the air as long as they made throws to open up the run.  That is exactly what they did in the 2nd half.  This is why Urban recruits the best athletes in the country.

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EMoThaGr8's picture

Thank you. With the talent we recruit and have on hand it shouldn't be unreasonable to expect them to make plays. Parris Campbell--even though I was pissed about the drop (s)--did exactly what was expected of him on the 74 yarder, from the position and scheme of which he is playing in. I attribute Dixon's drop to anxiousness (if you watch his TD play again, he was almost turned and gone again before the ball was safe and secure). It is there that Zach Smith should be focusing on also...fundamentals and technique.

The Buckeye behind enemy lines...

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OSU1978's picture

Best post I've seen all day Fenger.  Only the facts.  Note that no ball was thrown > 16 yards down field for a completion.  Only 2 passes were attempted over 20 yards despite having plenty of time in the pocket.  One was on target and dropped.  This isn't exactly a performance that is going to stretch the field vertically in the future.  Dobbins and the D line were awesome, but this continued lack of a vertical passing game can be exploited.

Go Bucks!

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

They have a vertical passing game if they'll trust the WR's just a tad more.

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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Buckeye06's picture

The longest red dot there...that was Campbell's incompletion.  The other long one was overthrown, one of the others was another Campbell drop.  I get it, he's not 35 for 30

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Some of those longer passes were the drops. 

But note, Indiana was mixing up coverages and often dropping 8 into coverage. 

Youu take what the defense gives you. Those short crossing routes opened up the run game. 

Once the run game was open, we actually saw outside WRs get involved. 

Credit Indiana. Great game plan that worked for 1 1/2 quarters. But we probably would be saying it was just a good game plan if we were leading 21-14 at half like we should have been.  

Tale of two halves.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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krodawg's picture

?? I saw a few 15 yard passes. Hyperbole much?

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Hovenaut's picture

" I still don't get how J.T. Barrett is a such a polarizing player considering his track record."

You're not alone.

Appreciate the observations, Chris.

It's a road win, a conference win...it's a good day.

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Buckeyes17's picture

Like the guy that posted right above you.

I'm so sick on this Barrett hating stuff. Hey, if I go buy that 12th Warrior membership, are the other people not JT bashing morons? If so, I'll join that club in a heartbeat.

"Khajiit has wares if you have the coin."

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RK84's picture

if I go buy that 12th Warrior membership, are the other people not JT bashing morons? If so, I'll join that club in a heartbeat

Come to the dark side of reason, intelligence, and understanding. Or just a bunch of guys bantering about Fish... 

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Hovenaut's picture

It's not 12W, 11W...it's about keeping some perspective, and just being a solid fan. 

There are some who want to fuel the fire, or light the match even, at the first sign Ohio State, and Barrett, are struggling. 

It's football. Nothing that comes easy is worth a damn

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Pace'sPancakes's picture

To be fair, Hovenaut, that first half was a reminder of the past 3 years of JT.  I understand the fans being upset.  I think JT will be ok, but I'm not confident that he can lead us to a title over an elite defense. 

In light of this, I'm thinking it may be a waiting game until he is finally out of here.  Hopefully he proves me wrong.

Because I couldn't go for 3.

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Hovenaut's picture

I'm all for fairness, and Barrett isn't beyond concern...I've never said otherwise.

There are intangibles, it's a team game.

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fenger's picture

One can appreciate JT tremendous value to the team, school and Buckeye nation while still being critical of his play.  IMHO, no need to be strictly black or white when it comes to the opinion of a player's play. It's called constructive criticism. 

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Hovenaut's picture

I completely agree Fenger - JT Barrett does not exist in vacuum, he is not infalliable. And he's left me scratching my head a few times as well.

I understand constructive criticism, and welcome it. Because it's huge when talking sports when we think about it, and we have to have that here on 11W.

It's the incessant flaming, constant bitching and moaning, and the near-desire some seem to have in wanting to see this guy fall on his sword that I can't get past. 

But hey, people are going to be who they're going to be. I'm good with who Barrett is. 

Moving on. Again, the Buckeyes, and JTBIV, are 1-0, with an opportunity to go 2-0.

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rockyincbus's picture

Absolutely dead on!  I love JT but if you post a passing chart, apparently you are a hater. Or if you point out deficiencies in his game, you are a bad fan.  I don't get it. 

You've got barbecue back there?

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deg0ey's picture

It's weird. I don't get how he's a polarizing player either. He is what he is at this point and what he is is a QB who's a good leader, good at running the read option, great at keeping his composure when everything's falling apart around him and a mediocre passer.

For the most part that's good enough to run this offense, especially when the receivers are able to get wide open to make his throws easier or turn short passes into long gains with explosive running. The goal, really, is for him to be able to hit just enough of the deep throws to keep the defense honest and stop them stacking the box and taking away the run and, for the most part, he's been able to do that.

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buckeyepastor's picture

5 Thoughts - 

1.  Given how solid Dobbins and the run game was over the course of the game, and how much of the first half we seemed determined to throw even with coverage clearly working against us, I can't help but think that going in while they started Dobbins they didn't want to put too much on his shoulders.  I think the first half was about OSU leaning on the pass not based on what was working and what the defense was showing, but based on having a true freshman back there.   I think with Weber starting the game, we use the run to set up the pass.  Felt like for much of the first half, we were doing the opposite.   

2.  Denzel Ward was impressive last night.  Yes, he lost some battles and gave up some big catches but most of the time he was pretty solidly there.  Sometimes, when the ball is thrown to the ideal spot and a receiver has a size advantage, the best you can ask of a DB is to try to bat the ball out and then make a sure tackle.  One of the times that he was beat, he took a very smart PI penalty which gave them 15 yards but prevented what may have been a long TD.   He's not Eli Apple at the moment, but he's clearly demonstrating leadership and improvement back there.   

3.  I'm sure Baker Mayfield is licking his chops right now.  Some seem to be taking comfort in the notion that OSU just happened to run into a very experienced passer and experienced receivers.  That is partly true.  Lagow made some exceptional throws last night, and his receivers did a great job of making plays for him.   But I can't help but think he's not the last guy we will see this year that gets rid of the ball quickly to experienced receivers.   Not every team has a guy with the size of Cobbs and the arm of Lagow (thank God), but some do.   

4.  Hats off to the O-Line.   There were a handful of lapses last night, but most of the night if JT wasn't able to find someone it wasn't because he was running for his life.  Even when flushed from the pocket, the pressure rarely that disruptive.   I like where they're at headed into the Oklahoma game, especially knowing that with their youth it will only get better.   

5.  Rushing Defense.   Yes, we gave up a mountain of passing yards, and there are at least two very good QBs remaining on our schedule who will try to exploit that again.   But I think it's pretty clear that the air is the only option left to attack us.   In a conference that is still predicated more often than not on ground game, I like where we're at with our front seven to stop the run.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Buck68's picture

thanks for your reasoned and integrated 'thoughts', Pastor.  Hitchhiking mini-thoughts:

1. Dobbins showed two basics:  toughness, and reliability, that our coaches say they value very highly.  As for the why's and wherefores of our coaching reasons... who knows?

2.  Ward hung right in there in the face of repeated attack and the pressure of man coverage vs a top and big WR.

3.  I'm sure Baker Mayfield won't 'entirely' enjoy his impending meet up with the Silver Bullets....   ;-{)}

4.  As i posted elsewhere, IMO our OL had a very rough start, in no small way to the retro 2016 1st & 2nd down play selection.  And JT did not have 'a fast start' either.

5.  Here i will disagree.  We face 13 or 14 more opponents, each trying to out-adjust us, or even take and keep the Initiative!  There is NOTHING 'to be concerned' or 'worried' about.  There is MUCH and MORE to develop and prepare.

IU played us tough and gave us a lot to consider and develop.  Since they lost... we 'really' appreciate it!  ;-{)}

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buckeyepastor's picture

I do still like our chances of the playoff, for sure.  And I think this testing, coming before Oklahoma, will serve us well.  I think the secondary will step up to the challenge.   I think the D-line will be hungry to create more pressure and chaos.  And we go into this big game now knowing that Dobbins if needed can go all night for us.   He proved his durability last night in a big way.   Pretty good hands, too.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Reuben's picture

Mayfield's a good QB, but as we saw last year, he'll throw picks if you make him throw under pressure. Oklahoma's supposed to have a good OL, though, so we'll see if the Rushmen can keep up the domination when they're a little more evenly-matched. 

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BennyBuckeye's picture

IU played us tough and gave us a lot to consider and develop.  Since they lost... we 'really' appreciate it!  ;-{)}

Last night was

  • The first game of the season.
  • A road game
  • Against a B1G opponent
  • The largest margin of victory over the Hoosiers since the game played in 2013. 

Temper the performance last night, considering personnel changes at the coordinator positions and position coaches, with all of those...we're fine

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Pace'sPancakes's picture

Agreed, Benny.

Because I couldn't go for 3.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Overlooked... all 3 safeties played really well.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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buckeyepastor's picture

I would mostly agree.   IU made it their mission to try and kill us with throws outside the hashes, so the safeties and LBs weren't given as much action.  Still waiting to see how they do when a team decides to do a lot over the middle of the field.  But, they did really make a big difference when we started to use them in over-the-top coverage more in the second half.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Reuben's picture

I'm interested to see how the 5-man DL package fares against more pro-style teams. Got shredded when they tried it on Indiana's first drive, but it could be a real weapon against a more ground-heavy attack.

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PhillyBuckeye27's picture

Few things we could have done better - dropped passes, O line blocking, throwing in to coverage - but at the end of the day, a W is a W.  I'm satisfied with the result!

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

It's crazy how good JT's stat line was even with the drops, and missed TD opportunity.  If they get that cleaned up, then our offensive woes should be a thing of the past.

We have to start faster next time, no question.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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avail31678's picture

Thank you for the positive takes!!!!!  I agree with just about everything.  Some good football last night. 

Barrett is a great leader who does nothing but win. 

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livinginthegrey's picture

It's never going to be perfect, there will always be room for improvement. Enjoy what we have, the off season is right around the corner. 

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avail31678's picture

Also, although we only ran it a limited number of times, JT's read option was in tip-top form again.  He is downright filthy when he keeps the ball at the last second - still fools me sometimes.

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mugbucket's picture

He is downright filthy when he keeps the ball at the last second - still fools me sometimes.

It's what he does best.  That 2 point conversion may not be a pure example, but he sure as heck fooled EVERYONE on the D. 

Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.

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Pace'sPancakes's picture

It's also great when he fools the camera person.

Because I couldn't go for 3.

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avail31678's picture

Yes!  He's done that multiple times in his career.

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jedkat's picture

but it should be noted Barrett made the right read and hit both guys on the money, allowing for an easy transition to YAC...Virtually all of his damage occurred via those non-stopstop short/intermediate crossing routes but he did hit Campbell in stride for what should've been a 41-yard touchdown over top the Hoosier defense.

Agreed. All these people saying everything is YAC should go look at any good QB and see how many of their yards are after the catch. I would rather have a QB make the right read and hit a 15 yard pass in stride that turns into 25 - 30+ yards all day with an occasional deep ball vs one who bombs it out with no yards after catch because you're going to need the playmakers to make plays.

I mean hell, last year drew Brees had 5,208 pass yards with 2,412 YAC in 16 games which is 151 YAC per game. 

"just a guy, nothing more, nothing less" ~ Some troll then *poof* he was gone

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jrcarmody's picture

loved JK lobbying Alford for red zone carries in the 4th. Give that young man a TD to go along w/a record-breaking debut!

Chris Gamble was interfered with

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deg0ey's picture

Yeah, I felt bad for the kid not being allowed back in. He deserved another shot to get into the end zone after everything he'd done in that game. I get pulling the starters when the game is over to make sure you don't get unnecessary injuries, but I'd have liked to see them let him cap an otherwise perfect game by putting some points on the board.

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Pace'sPancakes's picture

I wanted him to get to 200 yards so bad.  I was also hoping he'd get back in.

I absolutely loved what I saw out of Antonio Williams, though, since I expected literally nothing from him this year.

Because I couldn't go for 3.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

"the LaGrange, Texas product did not disappoint. 

Flashing speed, vision, toughness and a lethal jump cut, Dobbins sliced through the Hoosier defense to the tune of 181 yards on 29 carries (6.2 ypc) with another 24 yards on a pair of receptions. "

I used to live in La Grange as noted previously. Family is EVERYTHING in that small town along with your reputation. Dobby lost his dad at a young age and I suspect that will be his motivation going forward to be the best he can be for his family.

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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Madaris32's picture

Zone six, is still not zone six! Both Johnnie Dixon and Paris Campbell, dropped which should've been completed passes. Just because they both decided to suddenly catch the ball and score, doesn't mean zone six is back. JT still missed a half dozen throws, but everyone is going to say the receivers can't get open. Over the past three seasons the common manstay has been JT and Meyer. JT has to learn how to throw guys open and improve presnap and after snap reads. Urban is too reluctant to bench guys and play younger players. Campbell should've been benched after he dropped that touchdown. Austin Mack will be a game breaker, if only given the chance. I would like to see more of Wade or Okudah, just saying.  

Ivan Madaris

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

I'd like to see McLaurin given a chance; he takes a lot of criticism, last night he had just two targets and caught both.  I thought both Hill and McLaurin could've been used more.

ANYBODY other then Campbell drop 2 back to back passes in the same series (too), they'd not get another target.  Yeah he had the big run and TD, but he's not the only talent on the team.

The Meyer love fest with Campbell won't be enough alone in the passing game going forward. He had 3 drops by himself, Dixon dropped a gimme.

Hopefully it won't segueway into another "touch count" scenario with Campbell.  As someone said, I hope one day someone looks at me the way Meyer looks at Campbell!

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SnoBuck's picture

How about JT's fake hand-off keeper that had everyone fooled?

For some people, maybe. Throw it to the TE. We need it now!

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Buckeyes17's picture

I actually laughed out loud when that happened. Sneaky Sneaky.

"Khajiit has wares if you have the coin."

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SnoBuck's picture

At least me!

For some people, maybe. Throw it to the TE. We need it now!

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Dmac3212's picture

I have been saying this since JT first year at starter. They cannot win a championship with him under center. He will put up great numbers against mediocre teams all yearr. But when we do not have an overwhelming athletic advantage the windows get tight and JT struggle. He doesn't have the arm talent to anticipate and throw receivers open. Still a great qb and leader. The offense just scares me later on in the season. 

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Buckeyes17's picture

First game. New system, new coaches. Plenty to be concerned with, also plenty too early to say we cannot win it with JT.

"Khajiit has wares if you have the coin."

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Pace'sPancakes's picture

Unfortunately, I kind of agree with you here, Dmac.

I'm thinking next year could be the year for this reason.

Because I couldn't go for 3.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

JT played a decent game for being in a brand new offense and having a brand new qb coach. Most notably no turnovers and was never endanger of throwing a int. He also looked as comfortable in the pocket as I have ever seen him, much improved on his footwork. People started to hit the panic button after a half of the 1st game of the season is absolutely ridiculous. Look for more games reminiscent of the 2nd half then the 1st.

Noon games suck

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BuckeyeinGatorville's picture

We won big, and yet people find fault. Lets get real people.

first: this is not the IU of old. This IU team could pull a big upset or two this year.

Second. JT was not as bad as his numbers in the first half. If you saw the coaches channel, the receivers were not getting open in the first half. He really only missed 1 throw and had a second that was high but still should have been caught. The rest of the incompletes were throw aways or drops. 

Third: half time adjustments were huge and nearly perfect. 

Lets enjoy the win and get ready for OU. :) 

RG

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IslandBumBuckeye's picture

6th Thing: Am I the only one who feels like absolute shit today?

Shoulda listened to the little voice in my head saying, "Drinking too much scotch is bad, and you should feel bad."

"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."

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buckeyepastor's picture

Gotta like the pace of the team.   Still not going as fast as 2014, but we did go faster last night.  It showed in the number of plays, for both teams.   OSU ran 86 plays from scrimmage.  Indiana ran 95.   A lot less of the confusion we saw last year.  Very few plays where the play clock got down under 5.   I'm certain that others will try to use it against us as Indiana did to get the defense off balance in the first half.  But now that we've seen it, adjusted to it a bit, should be something we handle a lot better going forward.   

Same with other things, really.  Glad some concerns got exposed vs. Indiana so they get dealt with.   Glad Indiana was the first team to go fast to catch our defense out of sync and fire out the ball ahead of the rush and drop 8 in coverage, and not Oklahoma.   Now we have a plan, should it occur again, in terms of how we can play with coverages and rush packages to negate their offense, and how to create space or otherwise attack a field full of DBs and LBs suffocating the receivers.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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buckeyepastor's picture

I think the hard truth about last night is that when we look at that game and ask the question, "Does this effort and execution get us a win against the Sooners?" the answer is "not likely."   

But the good news is, I think we have good reason to expect a different level of effort and execution next Saturday.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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rockyincbus's picture

Much love for all the passionate Buckeyes fans but why can't there be some balance when it comes to JT Barrett?  Either we are told to just show him love all the time ("He is 27-4 for God's sake" "The receivers ran the wrong route/can't get separation" "Look at the record books!") or we seem to think he is the sole reason the offense doesn't consistently score 60 against everybody.  Here are my thoughts on Barrett, which are sure to tick off everybody on both sides of this Barrett debate:

#1 He is a great fit in Urban Meyer's system because of his skill set, especially his innate ability to make the right decisions in the read-option game.  That fit along with the talent around him has allowed him to carve up the OSU record book.  #2 He isn't nearly as inaccurate as his haters say and he actually throws an okay, if not great deep ball. #3 His ability to hang on to the ball  and not throw the big pick is underrated and keeps us from being upset by lesser opponents. #4 He is frustratingly and consistently late on making mid-level and downfield throws, which destroys the downfield passing game against opponents who can match us athletically - particularly bad if the opponent can rush the passer with four. This will keep him from putting up a high completion percentage consistently and will tax an o-line against teams that can rush the passer. This means that we can expect to struggle in the passing game against teams that recruit the same type of athletes we have.  So, if you want to look at the glass as half-full, I've got your back.  JT has won a lot of games for us.  But, if you want to point out his lack of development in getting rid of the ball on time, that is fair also.  It hurt us in big games last year and will again this year.  Put on the coaches film (thank you ESPN megacast!) and count how many times the pros say "Barrett threw it late" and dream about a day when we have a guy that can pull the trigger AND win with his legs (looking at you Haskens, Martell or E.Jones). In the meantime, trust in Urbs that he knows what he is doing and he's playing the guy that gives us the best chance to win, even if he does have some holes in his game. 

You've got barbecue back there?

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Hockinghillsbilly's picture

Honest assessment, reasonably stated. Bravo!

Hockinghillsbilly

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

I can back this assessment. Well put.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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TheTresselVest's picture

My 5 things from Indiana:

1. Give J.K. Dobbins the TD he earned! He was pushing to get back in for the Touchdown handoff and it was awesome.

2. Robert Landers is my favorite player. 

3. J.T. had a few anticipation throws that we didn't see at all last season.

4. Parris Campbell has Curtis Samuel potential. Guy can zoom.

5. Oklahoma is screwed. 

Keeping' it positive!!!

"Because I couldn't go for 3." -Woody Hayes when asked why he went for 2 after final touchdown in 50-14 win over Michigan

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avail31678's picture

Do you have any specific examples of JT's couple anticipation throws?  I plan to rewatch the game this weekend and watch for one.

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AFBuckeyeGuy's picture

In regards to the Dobbins/Weber situation and their relative youth I think UFM is a talented enough coach to utilize their skill sets to our advantage. Instead of one removing the other, there is the potential to use them both. In other words, think of the Bush/White "thunder and lightening" combination for USC in the mid 2000s and how dangerous that was.

He's so fast he makes fast people look, not fast

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rockyincbus's picture

Yes!!!!!!!!!! Sounds like a plan.  They are so different which could be very good for us.  Wonder if they could be used together. Weber made some nice blocks for Samuel last year, including on the final play against TTUN.

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TheVictoryBell's picture

Great way to start off the season with a victory in a Big Ten game against a solid Indiana team! 

1. J.K Dobbins has a little Barry Sanders in his game! Really impressed by the way he carried the load as a true freshman. 

2. Indiana plays at an insanely fast tempo. I think our DB's were gassed because of how fast Indiana plays. Give Indiana credit, Lagow was making perfect throws & their WR's were making the catches. The coverage wasn't bad for the most part.

3. I think the biggest adjustment our offense made after halftime was they started running power run plays with the tight end as a lead blocker. The zone running schemes should be used sparingly imo. In 2014 we ran mostly power runs and it worked out great. Once the running game started operating with some consistency it opened up the passing attack.

4. Great to see guys like Campbell, Victor and especially Johnnie Dixon make some plays last night. Hopefully they keep improving.

5. J.T played really well. He was the cool calm senior leader throughout the game that this offense needed when they were struggling. Great to see the passing game gain some traction in the second half. 

On to Oklahoma!

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Dot D I's picture

Ward was beat every down. It was especially upsetting to see him wave off every legitimate reception and pretend he hadn't been completely owned. His second half was better, but our secondary sure as hell didn't show up the first half.

Never take anything you see in the bathroom mirror too seriously. --A. Russell

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DCDDC's picture

Paris's crossing route for a touchdow for all the world looked like Jerry Rice doing the catch and bolt at full speed.  YEAH!!!

m GO BLOW!!!

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Last12C's picture

JT:        20/35 for 304 yds  Avg:  8.7yds   3 TDs  0 INT  QBR 76.7  (Note: we had a run game. Balanced offense with 292 rushing yards)

Lagow: 40/65 for 410 yds  Avg:  6.3 yds  3 TDs  2 INT  QBR  54.6  (IU did not have a run game.  17 total rushing yards.)

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Well, we do have the young guys playing and being targeted!

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