A Veteran Starter in J.T. Barrett Allows Younger Quarterbacks Valuable Developmental Reps

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CincyOSU's picture

Getting my popcorn ready...

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brutus0717's picture

"You had me at clear cut starter"
-BuckeyeJack (probably)

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I certainly don't disagree that the additional time for the QBs to develop is a good thing.  Added to that is that Beck is gone, and I can't help but believe he really instilled some poor habits in the QBs on the roster, so I think a year developing under Wilson/Day can only make Burrow and Haskins that much better.

The flip side is, if it's the right kind of player, they can learn much more valuably on the field, with a little trial by fire.  So it is a bit of a double edged sword, but for me, I think the extra year backing up JT will benefit them in the long run, especially with the coaching staff we have.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Yuman's picture

How many more practice reps are they really getting? There are 2 guys splitting the reps that JT isn't taking. To me this is a bigger deal if there was clear cut back up because he would get all the reps that the starter isn't taking. 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

True, that just leaves us hoping that Urban will name a backup sooner, rather than later.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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theopulas's picture

The back-up is always competing for his job, and going into camp their is mostly never a clear back-up. Competition is always good. Sometime it isn't needed, but it is always good.

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Yuman's picture

Yes but we are talking about 1st team reps

Rlc

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Zimmy07's picture

 "And they're going to get plenty of reps."

I'm taking this to mean that he's going to play them in the 2nd half in over half of our 15 wins this season.

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analyticalguy's picture

So it is written; let it be done.

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Cooper's picture

The Other Guys

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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toad1204's picture

Prepared for the first depth chart:

Joe Burrow
or
Dwayne Haskins

The offseason is the longest season.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

I really think you hit this spot on. I'd be shocked if it reads otherwise.

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grangel's picture

All honestly, seeing them run a 2 qb system those series in spring gane was exciting.

R.I.P. AfroDuck and Harambe

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jamesrbrown322's picture

There are gonna be like 8 "ors" on the depth chart this year.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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wyatt's picture

I hope J.T. plays great but I'm really looking forward to seeing Burrow and/or Haskins at QB. By the way, Kenny Guiton was the best clutch backup QB ever. Cardale is on the list too. 

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ToetotheFace's picture

I think winning the title, gives Cardale that title.
 

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

I still believe Burrow wins that job, but the other two QB's will get lots of reps as well.

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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buckguyfan1's picture
Whomever is on deck, best be ready.

Simplify...

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Hovenaut's picture

Ryan Day has talent to develop, the depth chart will figure itself out.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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RK84's picture

I mean surely whoever loses the backup battle will transfer.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Bukirob's picture

Not if its Burrow.  Lets say he loses out to Haskins.  Joe is CURRENTLY a RSophomore.  He will have to sit out next year and can not red shirt meaning his only year of eligibility to play at an FCS program would be his senior year.  If he moves down he would have 2 years.  Not really worth making the jump.  

If Haskins were to get beat out then you'd have a stronger argument that he would transfer. 

I love Joe Burrow but I dont think he is ever going to start unless its due to  the guy ahead of him being injured.  Thats not a knock its just that there is so much talent at that spot right now....

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Burrow is positioning himself academically so that next Spring, he will be in control of his own destiny athletically.  Smart guy!

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BuckeyeSouth's picture

I agree that Barrett is the clear starter this year, but I'm equally giddy about the talent behind him.  My guess is Burrow is JT's backup this year and next year's starter for a year then Haskins takes over.  I think the Buckeyes are set at the position for the foreseeable future.

Champions.  Undisputed.  

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tbirnbrich's picture

They really have an unbelievable QB room right now. Haskins and Burrow would be a starter for pretty much the entire B1G. The hard part is PT for all of them. I actually firmly believe that Burrow's combo of downfield throws, good mobility and gunslinger mentality is what is best suited for this offense. Think of it this way, when did Urban's offense really hit it's stride? Under Cardale, why? Because you had to cover the entire field. That's what we need to get back to.

I actually was hoping for JT to go pro only so Burrow could have his yr, then Haskins and Tate, and finally Emory. With JT staying there is now way one of Haskins, Tate, or Emory finishes their career a buckeye, there just isn't enough time.

I will pound and pound you until you quit

- Woody Hayes

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I really think the Cardale thing is getting over played.  Here is why:

1.  Sample size.  It was 3 games that you are referring to.  I always maintain fans attach more significance to those because of the meaning of them, but it is still 3 games.

2.  Supporting cast.  That was the best O-line in recent years at Ohio State, a first round draft pick at RB, and the best receiver at tracking the deep ball at OSU, maybe ever.  Remember, the offense was stripped way down, he basically only threw balls outside of the hash marks, often jump balls that Devin went up and got.

3.  Cardale struggled the next year a ton, albeit under far less than optimal circumstances. 

I know that was a magical season and Cardale will always be a Buckeye legend for those 3 games, but you are seriously fooling yourself if you think it wasn't a bunch of factors and that you are simply going to replicate this by choosing a quarterback you believe throws the better deep ball (and I am not conceding at this point that Haskins can't do it, because quite frankly, I know nothing about either one really).

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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CowCat's picture

From what I saw in person at the Spring Game:

Burrow can make all the throws and is a decent runner, but not at the level of Braxton or JT.

Haskins has NFL-level talent as a passer. Very accurate. Smooth release. Great velocity. Knows where to throw the ball to favor the receiver. Arm strength close to Cardale's. However I don't know yet how he is as a runner in the zone read.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

I can't agree more. Cardale's QBR vs Alabama was was 54.5 and his YPC was 2.5. Both of those numbers are awfully low and really shows was good everyone else had to play in order for us to win that game.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Anyone else think at some point Martell transfers? Especially with Jones in next year's class

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CincyOSU's picture

Are you saying that Jones has already beaten him out before even stepping foot on campus?

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Not at all but everything I heard of him is nothing short of beast be awfully hard to keep him off the field.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

To be fair we heard the same thing about Haskins and Martell too.  The 2 we didn't hear that about are the 2 likely to be at the top of the DC ironically.

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BuckeyeSki's picture

I remember hearing how Mike Mitchell was supposed to be the second coming of Chris Spielman too, but we never saw that actually materialize on the field.....

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

He could have been his father became ill so he went back to Texas to be with him

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Sure. But the point I'm making is that Jones hasn't even signed his LOI yet so maybe we should pump the brakes annointing him a day 1 starter

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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cdub4's picture

Mitchell hasn't exactly lit the world on fire since moving back to Texas though either.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

No doubt they don't play to much defense down that way

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Bukirob's picture

Uhm  no. Mitchell moved back "closer" to home where he has been a non-contributor at Texas Tech.   he couldn't even crack the starting spot at TTU played in 9 games recorded 7 tackles and requested his release from said school.  He is now at Southeastern.

He is one of those athletes that peaked in HS in terms of ability and development.  You dont go from OSU> Texas Tech> Southeastern and be a guy who could have been a star at OSU.  If you think otherwise I have a great deal on some cheap land for you! :)

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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countrybuckeye's picture

some only read headlines, employ selective memory, or are a member of some player's extended posse 

in college, like high school, the overwhelming fact is a Senior > a Junior > a Sophomore > a Freshman 

stick with that, and enjoy the rare talents that don't follow the script 

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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cdub4's picture

That is a great way of looking at things Countrybuckeye!!

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RK84's picture

Yep. Same way Haskins had Burrow beat. Then Martell had Haskins beat. Flavor of the month disease.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

We are very fortunate to have such a wealth of talent and depth. Hats off to the coaching staff.

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RK84's picture

Sorry man, wasn't directing that at you. I think we just see these thoughts pop up every time the net best thing signs. When history tells us about 50% of them don't shake out. So really of the 4-5 guys in that room or on the way only a couple will really be able to contribute in a meaningful way.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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wyatt's picture

Same thing happens in the pros. Remember JaMarcus Russell, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Tony Mandarich, etc?

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Yuman's picture

Wasn't Tony mandarich the guy who wanted to fight Mike Tyson?  I so wanted to see that happen just for the entertainment value of it

Rlc

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brutus0717's picture

I don't remember the Tyson thing, but I do remember that he was 6'8", 315 lbs before almost anyone else was that size. And he ate over 15,000 calories a day!! Dude was huge, but his feet were to slow for the League.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Yuman's picture

PED testing in the NFL was his downfall

Rlc

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ToetotheFace's picture

He also had a terrible painkiller addiction as well.

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allinosu's picture

Not saying anyone transfers but I think utilizing more QBs goes a long way in being content and keeping our commit. Just an opinion.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Would love to keep them all but don't want a qb carousel again. I just feel at some point these guys are all talented enough to be starters and will want to be just that.

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Martell hasn't even had his first day of class and we're already talking about him transferring? Oh boy it is the off-season isn't it - let's get some real football to talk about again!

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Toxic Nut's picture

Martell has been here since January so I really hope he has attended his first class by now. /s

Go Bucks********Muck Fichigan

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Does anyone think someone changes positions just to see more pt?

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CowCat's picture

I can't see Burrows or Haskins changing to WR. They're both too good as passers.  It's a long shot, but if Martell wants more playing time I could see him being a swiss-army knife player like Evan Spencer was -- Slot WR who can run out of the backfield, catch passes and throw too.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

All really good points I have read in a few other places of this scenario were Martell gets buried on the depth chart and transfers. 11 warriors seems to have the most knowledgeable group of buckeye fans so I wanted some opinions on it. Appreciate all the insight fellow warriors.

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TraptnMI's picture

I have no idea how the best QB gets buried. Taters' the god damn best of the group. Haskins the backup. Better pray Tater doesn't transfer. If he does, I sure as hell hope he joins Fickster, and if he doesn't I'll just shit!

" It's real good whatcha done Anthony, real good ! "

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fear_the_nut70's picture

No one knows at this point, not even Martell. Some kids might leave if they lose the job some are so competitive they say and fight it out.  All kinds of other factors come into play like relationships with teammates, how much you enjoy the college experience at OSU, etc.  Many times I thought lack of playing time at other positions would lead to a transfer and it did not.  Spin yourself in circles if you want, but we will know what happens when it does.
 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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GIBS_STI's picture

If last year is an indicator. . . JT needs more reps.

Fortune favors the bold.

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Or if last year is an indicator maybe a non-JT quarterback needs those reps a lot more than Urban is revealing to the media...

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joebuckeye5's picture

Or if 2014 is an indicator JT is far and away the best quarterback on the roster and one of the best in the country.  I guess we'll see.

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GIBS_STI's picture

I get that he was good in 2014 and he has statistically regressed, but plenty of Quarterbacks go through OC changes, scheme changes, play caller in the booth, on the field. He missed wide open receivers in 14, threw behind them in 14, and will continue that in 17. Funny how we feel so confident that replacing three starters on defense will be easy, but a lot of people are nervous about a guy that has been on the team for a long time might not get the job done.

Fortune favors the bold.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Going through an OC change is 1 thing, experiencing a significant downgrade in both OC and QB Coach is something else entirely.  Not many players can go through that and not let it effect their play.

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GIBS_STI's picture

I don't see how you could forget what was coached to you one year to the next. Coach Herman left, but did JT's ability/talent leave with him? I don't think so.

Fortune favors the bold.

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CincyOSU's picture

I don't see how you could forget what was coached to you one year to the next. Coach Herman left, but did JT's ability/talent leave with him? I don't think so.

Cardale had the same issue. If it was only Barrett or Jones who regressed, thats one thing. But when TWO QBs, who looked great under Herman, suddenly regress, well that's called a pattern.

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countrybuckeye's picture

keep (your) facts to yourself 

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Ability and talent will only get you so far, without good coaching any player will struggle.  Look at Braxton Miller in 2011, Cardale Jones in 2015, the entire secondary in 2012 and 2013.... etc.  All those players had tremendous talent and ability, and all those players struggled because their coaching was sub-standard.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Sigh.  Here we go again.  We all pretty much agree the OL got abused against the best D-lines they saw.  The receivers collectively were not good last year.  Think maybe constantly in fear of getting hit running for your life impacts decision making, throwing accuracy, etc?

Line plays better, receiver improve, and coaching improves, JT probably reverts back to 2014 (and statistically last year was not a huge departure from 2014 anyway).

Please, can we stop with this "the problem is all JT" narrative?  Getting real old.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Well he got our new great OC and proceeded to throw an INT in 1 quarter of a non-contact spring game...

...so just saying

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GIBS_STI's picture

It wasn't his fault. . .

Fortune favors the bold.

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CincyOSU's picture

It wasn't his fault. . .

Sure it was. It was also a glorified practice and the only one you get to watch all year. But yea, Burrow and Haskins don't throw picks in practice either. More crap logic

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GIBS_STI's picture

There was no logic to it. It was fact, the pocket wasn't clean. I completely understand other QB's throw picks.

I see it this way. Picture this; you're a boss of an organization, you have a guy that comes to work on time, says the right things, is a natural leader. However, for the last two years he has declined, late to work, misses shipping deadlines, bad showing overall. Do you keep the guy in the same spot? or would you move on to someone else who can give you a fresh start? The game of life and football are not that far apart. I will blame the coaches for a few things, but if I'm the boss I move on to someone else.

Fortune favors the bold.

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CincyOSU's picture

I see it this way. Picture this; you're a boss of an organization, you have a guy that comes to work on time, says the right things, is a natural leader. However, for the last two years he has declined, late to work, misses shipping deadlines, bad showing overall. Do you keep the guy in the same spot? or would you move on to someone else who can give you a fresh start?

This is an extremely poor example and actually works against what you are trying to say(basically that JT sucks) and here's why.

You have a guy, lets say a Senior Sales Rep(QB) who had the one of the best years in the company's(OSU) history three years ago. The last two years his numbers haven't been on that level, but he still hits well above his quota(wins games) and ranks as one of the better reps in the company(according to B1G coaches and writers), not to mention he is a leader and mentor to the rest of the team(per Urban Meyer). While he has indeed had some struggles, the company has had some issues behind the scenes - poor customer service(scheme), issues with quality(playcalling), changes in organizational leadership(coaching), etc - that have played a part in an overall decrease in sales(offensive production) across the entire company(team). Do you bench a proven leader for a couple new guys with nice resumes(recruiting rankings) who interviewed well(the Spring Game) but have no true sales(game) experience? Come on man...

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GIBS_STI's picture

Yes I do. Urban has mentioned some great leaders that don't even start, I wonder why? Because the guy that's a freshman is better. WITH NO GAME EXPERIENCE. Linebackers, safeties, and lineman. JT is starting by default. Who's about to beat out some sophomores and juniors on the offensive line? A true freshman... again. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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CincyOSU's picture

Yes I do.

Good thing you aren't a coach. We would suck.

You know what else sucks? Your example, again.

Who's about to beat out some sophomores and juniors on the offensive line?

Beating out a soph or jr who themselves never started, or when they did were very average, is NOT the same thing as beating out a 3 year starting, team captain, team leading, former and newly preseason B1G player of the year. Thank God you arent a coach.

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GIBS_STI's picture

Excellent comment.

Fortune favors the bold.

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GIBS_STI's picture

Yea if i was a coach i would find a QB that can throw for more than 93 yards against Indiana, or 96 yards against MSU. I guess it was raining that day. or it was too cold for JT.

Fortune favors the bold.

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CincyOSU's picture

I guess it was raining that day. or it was too cold for JT.

STRAWMAN ALERT! STRAWMAN ALERT! STRAWMAN ALERT!

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GIBS_STI's picture

Not really. I guess the coaches are at fault for the low passing completions in bad weather. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

JT is starting by default?  Are you serious dude?  First of all, I will ignore the fact that none of us are present in practice every day and that we don't really have the experience evaluating qb's to determine who is best to fit a particular scheme.  Instead, I will focus on the record of success and ALL the qb records JT holds already, which tells us something about what he is capable of.

This is the logic of back up qb guy: I already know that JT is not the best starter.  The only reason he is getting the job is because he is the returning starter.

This logic is incredibly flawed in that its conclusion assumes the premise (typically referred to as circular reasoning).

Don't type stuff like that dude.  Seriously, just don't.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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GIBS_STI's picture

Why is it flawed? I keep getting this response, but no explanation. You're saying he's better because he holds records and wins. I agree. I'm saying he's not the QB I would start. 

I'll respond for you: Good thing you're not a coach. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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CincyOSU's picture

Why is it flawed?

Your opinion that he isn't the best QB for the job isn't flawed and isn't the issue. The issue is the way you are trying to enforce that opinion. Maybe you're being unfairly lumped in with others, but the reason I "defend" JT Barrett has very little to do with thinking he is the best QB in the world and more to do with flawed/twisted logic(paging Buckeye Jack). If the coached deem another QB to be better, I am 100% fine with that, but the way SOME people try to trash Barrett to prove their point is borderline absurd.

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GIBS_STI's picture

I'm not trashing JT. He has been through a lot on this team. I love his toughness, heart, determination, and his will to win. I hope the offense is better this year, I tend to get sucked into the players behind him, the what if draws me in.

  Either the B1G is a lot better, or we struggle against teams we never used to have problems with. I'll go with the B1G is a lot better. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

That is an awful analogy.  From all accounts, JT is working his ass off, there is no decline in his effort.  Failings had a lot to do with those around him (and yes, JT also played worse too).  So in your poor analogy, it would be that the worker continues to work hard but productivity in the whole unit is off.  You don't fire the guy working hard who was once VERY productive, you instead figure out what the systemic problem is and fix that.  Firing the hard worker who had great results a few years ago to bring in a guy with a flashy resume who never did the job, well, that's what the CEO's of bad corporations do (and what bad college football coaches do before they are replaced).

People will keep looking for simple solutions to complex problems because, honestly, and this is going to be blunt, that is the only level at which most can truly understand things.  The good news is that we have an elite coach who appreciates the level of detail and complexity necessary to get a championship caliber team firing on all cylinders.  It started with bringing in one of the best OL minds in the game and it ends with not being the arm chair over-reactionary that Championship Guy and Backup Quarterback guy are.  I keep saying it and I will say it again--I'm going to go with the decisions of the guy with a .850 winning percentage and 3 titles over those other two guys.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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GIBS_STI's picture

Did you agree with coach tressell about the Boeckman/Pryor deal? 

Fortune favors the bold.

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brutus0717's picture

You're right it wasn't. The right guard pulled out to block the DE and got blown up. The DE got JT's arm before he released it.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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GIBS_STI's picture

I hope cicny reads your post. Dude gets heated quick.

Fortune favors the bold.

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CincyOSU's picture

Well he got our new great OC and proceeded to throw an INT in 1 quarter of a non-contact spring game...

...so just saying

If you're being serious, then, just wow. Wow. Wow.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Hope not for his sake, if that is a serious comment it does a wonderful job of summing up the validity of the Barrett Haters on here.

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CincyOSU's picture

Hope not for his sake, if that is a serious comment it does a wonderful job of summing up the validity of the Barrett Haters on here.

Exactly. This is 90% of my issues with the "JT Haters". It has NOTHING to do with them thinking another QB might be a better option and EVERYTHING to do with how they frame their twisted logic.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

JT didn't beat Clemson.  For some, it is nothing more than this, though they will never admit it Icue: it wasn't just Clemson but ____________ fill in the blank).  I hate to say this, but Ohio State wins so much that people can no longer appreciate a qb that is the leader of a team that wins 10-11+ games every year if it doesn't end in a title (spoiler alert: most season won 't as OSU has 2 titles since 1970).  The lack of gratitude of a portion of our fan base is a source of great frustration for me.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Jt set the bar so ridiculously high as a freshman he's a victim of his own outstanding season.

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buckslan's picture

That INT wasn't on JT. Mathew Burrell was pushed back into JT, which caused that errant throw.

I guess JT really does get all the blame when things go bad.

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countrybuckeye's picture

some have a calling when it comes to JT critiques 

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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Blackcoffee's picture

Sheesh, every article written has everything for this season so neatly planned out. Supposin' it has to be this way. My thought is, before the season is even halfway over, either Haskins or Burrow will be called on to run the offense. College football is loved so much because of its unpredictability(?), and the future for Urban Meyer, in his 6th year is not gonna play out on the quarterbacking of JT. Something is in the air, and best laid plans of mice and man, and all that...I don't write this to play into the hands of JT haters, or those who just cannot deal with having the same quarterback for 3 or 4 years, nah, its something else, cannot put a finger on it...

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joebuckeye5's picture

I really hope you're wrong.  Because if you're right then one of two things happened.  Either JT Barrett got injured/suspended which is pretty horrible to predict about a player.  Or we lose to both Indiana and Oklahoma to start the season which would basically mean the end of the world around here.

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Blackcoffee's picture

probably just the hottest month on record in the last 30 years in the middleeast muddling my brain

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buckeyeinWI's picture

I'm guessing Burrow is the backup at the start of the season. May be different story by mid-season....

GO BUCKEYES!

15-1 is SWEET!

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theopulas's picture

I believe Haskins win the back-up, but I don't think either of them wins a 5th year. Jones is the prototype QB for this system with a big time arm, and they will want him in after learning the system. I think Martell can be special but he isn't 5'10 and that will get the best QBs overlooked.

Theopulas

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

There is no quarterback controversy in Columbus this offseason.

Reading the comments about JT over the past several months certainly defies this statement.

Go JT, go BUCKEYES!

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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grangel's picture

#buckeyenationproblems

R.I.P. AfroDuck and Harambe

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fear_the_nut70's picture

There is a controversy when the HC does something that suggests he is unsettled on his starter.  Urban has been crystal clear who is starting qb is.

Fans spitballing and internet posters saying they prefer guy B a controversy does not make.  Don't confuse folks bucking for clicks with a genuine controversy.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

If you noticed the 'Go JT' mention you will know what side of the camp I am on. My point was that only in certain few 11W readership comments is there any controversy.

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I think you read my remark wrong (as I am actually supporting your point which appears to be a criticism of the fake controversy crowd).  We're on the same page.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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chirobuck's picture

What if Martell really kicks ass this offseason and comes in guns blazing next year.....3 way battle....I don't know if my fragile little mind can handle that

 

^ best post ever ^

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grangel's picture

3 qb system . Duh

R.I.P. AfroDuck and Harambe

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

3 QBs in the Diamond formation with Weber.  The defenses won't know what the hell we're doing.

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DefendYoungstown's picture

Whoaaaa, that's deep...

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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buckeyeinWI's picture

neither will us fans...

GO BUCKEYES!

15-1 is SWEET!

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13THandSummit's picture

Neither would the one WR on the field.

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chirobuck's picture

We could steal the NFL Blitz playbook I suppose 

 

^ best post ever ^

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AZBuck LHC's picture

2014 is evidence of the importance of Quarterback development. We can all hope that everyone stays healthy, but one or more could be injured. The battle for number two seems to be very close between Burrow and Haskins and that is a good thing, but they both have a slightly different skill set,  and which style is the best fit for the offense will depend on both the play calling and the performance of the skill players. I think Martell  has a tremendous upside, but it seems unlikely that he would jump either of the other two.....at least in fall camp.

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ArmyRob's picture

I think Martell is the most like JT and that's dangerous because they take so many hits.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

J.T. Barrett who holds 21 different Ohio State records at the position and is 26-4 as a starter.

uh huh 

2x account suspension survivor 

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ArmyRob's picture

Why transfer?

I know players like to play early and often but there is something to be said for waiting your turn and being excellent when your time comes. Fewer opportunities to get injuries and more time to become technically proficient; dominate when your time comes and go to the league as a high draft pick. Pete Carroll was able to line the QB talent up when USC dominated, why can't Urban?

 I realize that's a perfect scenario but its not too far fetched, I'm sure there it's tough to keep these guys around when they could start at a lot of other teams.  

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linepilot15's picture

As long as someone younger than you doesn't pass you. If Haskins were to pass Burrow for the backup job he would have to transfer if he wants to play football. He is way too good to sit on the bench his whole career. 

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hetuck's picture

1. Think of all the spread teams that have had QB injuries that resulted in losses. Oregon comes to mind. 2. The practice used to be to insert the back up for the third series to get his feet wet. 3. If he gets beat out, I could see Burrow as a grad transfer next season. 4. I think Martell redshirts and is a red zone QB next season. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Danimal's picture

If there was no qb controversy, we wouldn't need to be told there is no qb controversy!

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analyticalguy's picture

The first rule of the quarterback controversy is "there is no quarterback controversy."

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

I think Burrow is the 2nd string guy this year because of his experience running the option and running in general.  This year's team is going to be about running the ball mostly.  Next year, I think it will be an even competition

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DefendYoungstown's picture

I really hope this year is about more than just running the ball.  We need a good passing attack to open up the run game and keep defenses honest.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

Yeah, I mean the passing game has to improve.  I don't think the passing game will be a real strength

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BuCkIfReAk's picture

I agree. It may not be a strength but it still has to be respected and given effort in game-situations.  Nobody thought we were going to throw it deep because we didn't throw it deep, and when we did against Clemson...  that was like showing up on campus and throwing it deep...   how could we have ever expected-it to be successful when we had nearly NO game-reps doing-it..    I mean it worked because of the PI's to move the ball..   and in all fairness the nice arc and spirals from JT had me wondering why we hadn't been doing-it..   but they still were incomplete.  IAnd don't care if we dont complete a single bomb, but you MUST show you're willing to do it, and at any time, for it ever to be effective down the line, and for it to open-up the box for the running game.

Mark May is an alien.

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osugreg04's picture

Wait, you mean this Braxton Miller?

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BuCkIfReAk's picture

I know we've seen our spring game breakout flash-in-the-pans before, but Burrow has been solid imo. I think there's a very realistic shot he starts game one in '18.  He's smart, accurate, and not given enough credit for his athleticism. With the way Wilson leverages the outside-edge of defenses so well, you don't need that athlete to be a rb like JT, you just need for him to have 4.6ish speed to get what's open when it's open, and Burrow has that.

Mark May is an alien.

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Osusam77's picture

The perfect plan

JT this year (wins Natty) - Martell redshirts, Burrow starts next year - has a great season and foregoes his last year to jump to the NFL, Haskins has the same kind of year the following year and jumps to NFL, and then Martell takes over - etc., etc. 

Not so hard  

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Hockinghillsbilly's picture

The best QB will be the starter next season. I'm Hoping Joe can win the job because we hillbillies stick together !

Go Bucks !

Hockinghillsbilly

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NOBLUE's picture

Little johnny Simmons who is in 4th grade will commit to the Bucks when he is a redshirt freshman 

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OHIONATOR's picture

First off Urban doesn't seem to have a problem developing talent so who is or isn't going to be the backup isn't that relevant because I think all of them could handle the job. What I think is more of a question is not JT's ability to understand defenses and run our offense but his timing with the recrivers . The backups will have all next off season to work on timing and prepare to be a starter with the understanding that they will see some live action this year. We have a championship caliber defense and with even a little help from the offense this could be a special year.

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Brutus865's picture

Haskins will be the starter by week 5. Mark it down 

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CowCat's picture

I don't think that happens.

The first four weeks are @Indiana, Oklahoma, Army, UNLV. The only game we have even a remote chance of losing is Oklahoma, but I don't see that happening in the Horseshoe.

So I can't see removing a starting QB who's 4-0 or at worst 3-1 and putting in an unproven backup on the road at the start of the Big 10 stretch.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Brutus865's picture

I think talent wins out sooner rather than later. Haskins is the most talented QB on the roster. 

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CowCat's picture

I agree with you about Haskins as a passer . Best arm and accuracy on the roster. 

But there's a lot more to being the starting QB. Haskins is unproven yet as a runner, a leader and a game manager.

There are only two scenarios where I see JT being replaced mid season. 1) Injjury or 2) having a complete meltdown and a loss of confidence like Tood Boeckman did at USC and Pryor was brought in -- and we still lost 35-:3.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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theopulas's picture

That is just insane. If you think JT will get hurt, well he might. But he is clearly the best QB on this team and maybe in the conference. That is what they thought last year. Without seeing much of Haskins, to even think he is better then, statistically, the best QB in OSU history, reigning Big Ten QB of the year(the second time he has won it in three years) just speak to the hateraid in you! 

Theopulas

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buckeyedude's picture

You need to add the sarcasm font.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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Numbers's picture

At some point you develop by playing. Burrow clearly should be ready to go given the length of time he's been here. But they're stuck behind JT. Hope he plays well enough to make everyone forget about the backups.

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CowCat's picture

The backups should get quality playing time in 5, if not 6 games this season.

I'm thinking @IU with no Kevin Wilson, Army, UNLV, @Rutgers, Maryland and Illinois

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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bonebuck's picture

We are very fortunate to have these top rated QB's in the waiting. Like someone mentioned Burrows and Haskins would probably be starters on 80% of schools.

I do not think the backup this year dictates the starter next year. I have not seen much of Haskins so my money is on Burrows. Like someone mentioned earlier Burrows has set himself to graduate in 3 years so he can actually have 2 years eligibility if he decides to transfer next year and that means even Div1 school.

After 2018 we face the same situation with Jones vs.Martell.

Good times guys enjoy. Remember when are only option was Joe Bauserman? We have come a long way.

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ToetotheFace's picture

Yep, it is too bad only one guy can play at a time(in most cases, though Urban has had success with red zone formations). Burrows is likely gone if he doesn't win the starting job next season. I don't blame him either, if you feel you have the talent (and it seems pretty obvious Burrows does) it makes sense to transfer somewhere to go show it. We just have so much talent at the position that not everyone is going to get a chance with a bunch of guys who have potential to be successful starters.

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DownEastBuck's picture

I think Burrow and Haskins enter the season as 2a and 2b. I believe Urban gives both of them roughly equal snaps during mop up time this year just to keep both their heads in the game for the upcoming season. Then who ever emerges as the starter Meyer sits down with the runner up and explains to whoever it is the importance of being involved and immersed in team activities. I think Martell red shirts and hopefully he sticks around at least long enough to see if Jones is elite or not. Unless either Haskins or Burrow just completely blows up and make it impossible to keep one of them off the field we will see both players in mop up duty showcasing what they do best

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buckeyedude's picture

I've been following Ohio State football since the early 1970s, and I don't EVER remember having this many good QBs on the roster. Any one of these QBs, IMO, could go to almost any other team in the B1G and start; definitely any team in the MAC they would start...Tate, Joe, Dwayne.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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ToetotheFace's picture

Urban is a brilliant QB recruiter/developer, and is usually excellent at catering his system around them to achieve success on offense. Tebow, Netwon, and J.T. were all recruited by Urban. Smith(#1 pick), Miller, Leak, Cardale, Guiton, and Harris(BG Falcons) were all guys who had their first quality success/production in Urban's system. Only issue is it sometimes creates situations where talented guys transfer out(like Newton) or don't get the playing time they would have elsewhere(Cardale/Guiton).

I suspect that with tOSU becoming the longest tenure in his coaching career with last season being the first completely Urban recruited QB depth chart, we will see some transfers. IDK if there is enough time available with 3 guys who look to have starting potential, and highly regarded prospect Emory Jones waiting in the wings.  

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