Remember the Tightens

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CowCat's picture

I wasn't a fan of him as a coach, but he sure could recruit. He left the cupboard full when Tressel arrived.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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MountainsAwait's picture

I sure hope the coaches actually do remember the Tight Ends this year...need to utilize them far more.

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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Outraged Brush's picture

I think Ramzy was a philosopher in a past life 

YOU SIT THERE AND YOU THUMP YOUR BIBLE AND YOU SAY YOUR PRAYERS AND IT DIDN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE!!! TALK ABOUT YOUR PSALMS TALK ABOUT JOHN 3:16.... AUSTIN 3:16 SAYS I JUST WHIPPED YOUR ASS!!!!!

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GVerrilli92's picture

Kitties aren't supposed to smell like cigarettes, they're supposed to smell like kitties.

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ScarletGray43157's picture

I think Ramzy was a philosopher in a past life 

He's some kinda good writer I know that much.

I didn't check the byline but about halfway through I knew it had to be Ramzy on that line.  I read it to the end before checking though, because it was an excellent read. 

Spot on, as well.

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GoBucks10's picture

So glad my fandom kicked into gear under the Vest.

I hate the offseason.

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faux_maestro's picture

I'm glad my fandom kicked in in the last years of Earle and then my formative years with Coop because I can now truly appreciate the run we have been on this century.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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GoBucks10's picture

Bengals fan an UC football fan. I appreciate it.

I hate the offseason.

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

Spot on. Spot on.  I have preached that before.  The 90s(at least against scUM and in bowl games) and the middle basketball years help to keep things in perspective.

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

Great piece, Ramzy! I found one typo...

at least we’re not Tulsa Michigan 

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TMac's picture

No one associated with The Ohio State Buckeyes wants to be eating cold pizza sitting on a golf cart. We have the best of everything, and we do have the highest of expectations.....and I wouldn't have it any other way. 9-3 may play at a lot of schools, but it didn't feel great in the 80s, and it would down right suck now. Bring on Indiana!

ONE Not Done!

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Buckeye fans have arguably the sport’s unhealthiest obsession with losing.

You're not wrong. Being from Cleveland, Saturday's are for Wins..Sundays are for losses. 

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CowCat's picture

You bring up a good point. The Browns and Bengals have been mediocre or downright bad for decades, so all the football fan expectations fall on the Buckeyes on Saturdays.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Hovenaut's picture

"Earle was the winningest Big Ten coach during his tenure but also went 9-3 nearly every season as the program barely evolved during a decade in which the Big Ten as a whole slipped nationally. Coop talked about how Tulsa fans and Ohio State fans differed and didn't quite get it until he matriculated from Buckeye Coach to Buckeye Fan. Tressel was loyal to a fault, retaining underperforming assistants - being pursued by nobody else - throughout his glorious run."

If I've ever attempted (and I have) to compare and describe Ohio State head coaches in my lifetime (too young to really remember Woody - but he's a legend in any case) I've come nowhere near this assessment.

If the defense was rebuilt/repaired after 2013, then I'm feeling reassured about the pass game/oline...maybe even some special teams...this coming season.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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GVerrilli92's picture

It's all about the pendulum swing. Is the response to the problem too strong or too weak? Coming too soon or too late? And are we losing focus on our strengths while addressing the issue?

In 2014 the stars quite literally aligned to produce one of the more unstoppable teams ever assembled at the collegiate level. The bleeding was stopped on the defensive side of the ball, and the train kept rolling on the offensive side. This year has a similar feel with a role reversal - the defense continues to upswing under Schiano and the offensive downswing ends under Wilson. At what level will the defense peak, and how quickly can the offense gain momentum?

One thing that is interestingly true at Ohio State with it's infinite resources - it's really never the players' fault. Under Urban we will be one of the more talented teams in the nation year-in and year-out, and that's what puts so much pressure on the coaches.

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Frimmel's picture

If winning weren't important you wouldn't keep score. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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TatumRuled's picture

Or, as Woody said: "Show me a gracious loser and I'll show you a busboy."

"Hell, Woody didn't recruit me; he recruited my mother!" -Jack Tatum                       

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

"As you probably remember, Clemson beat Ohio State 31-0 in the Buckeyes' most recent game. That score appears to be the outcome of two rosters on completely different levels of talent being forced to play each other, but in reality that Fiesta Bowl was the direct consequence of a championship-caliber defense being hung out to dry by an offense that could not get out of its own way for the better part of two seasons, despite carrying 4 and 5-star players almost exclusively."

Perfectly stated and that buck stops with UFM. To his credit at least, he made some nice hires this year to fix the problem. That 2015 team was the best I've seen since 1998 and 02. That loss to MSU in 15 was inexplicable.

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Luckobucko's picture

The loss to sparty in 98 was equally inexplicable. Actually, I blame myself because I was in the stadium both times. Sorry guys, I'll stay home from now on. You guys can all blame me if we lose to the sooner, I have a pair of nosebleed seats for that game too...

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

I think your jinx is over. We have a basic defense now and will throttle Mayfield and company. Enjoy the game.

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cjkanski's picture

Ramzy's article this week lead me to re-read this article and as such this comment.

You are now on notice as to NEVER being allowed to attend a game in person.

-Win or Tie Society

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BornAndBredABuck's picture

Let me paraphrase Coop:

Tulsa fans accept a good effort; OSU fans laud effort, but demand excellence.

I'm okay with this. The standard is, and always should be, exceptional performance both on and off the field. The Buckeyes are capable of being the best team in the country, and the bar should be set commensurate with the team's capability.

If this is too much for you, then I hear the Tulsa fan bus has plenty of empty seats.

"Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." -- Woody Hayes

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GVerrilli92's picture

You're spot on with your paraphrasing of Coop. And that's exactly what has been so frustrating about the last two seasons offensively - that there was seemingly a breakdown of execution on EVERY. SINGLE. PLAY. And I don't think that's an exaggeration either. The smallest, tiniest things would keep a play from turning into a 60 yard touchdown. Any given snap, 99% of the play would be executed to perfection and then that 1% of the play would be botched and cause it all to unfold. And while that isn't the coaches' fault schematically - it is the coaches fault from an implementation standpoint.

I'd rather run the same 3 plays over and over again and execute at a 100% clip than have a playbook that keeps the defense guessing that we can't execute. We are talented enough to only run 3 plays and beat 90% of our schedule! Again - not a schematic issue, but an implementation one. Hopefully Wilson can get our players to understand what can't happen on any given play.

Kitties aren't supposed to smell like cigarettes, they're supposed to smell like kitties.

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Ole Buckeye's picture

Over the last few days I've watched some of our close victories over the last two seasons.  Wisconsin game in overtime.  Last year's "victory" over Michigan State. Mediocre quarterback play, bad offensive schemes, lack of emotion.

Winning a game close might be one of the worst things that can happen to a team --- you can go and suck for 58 minutes, get a couple of good plays because of your superior talent, and come out of it without learning any lesssons.

One of Meyer's great talents may be recognizing this, even when you are so close to it.  Most coaches would say, well, we went 11 and 1 this year, and be happy.  Meyer knew that, without the good defense last year, we might have been 7 and 5 at the end of the regular season and playing in the Weedeater Bowl.

He even pointed it out at the end of the National Championship game - someone said wow, your offense was putting up some points and he said, in effect, what about that defense?  the offense had 4 inexcusable turnovers, and yet the D held Oregon to 20 points. 

Last thing, I predict this year we are going to see a quicker hook of the QB.  I know everything JT has done for this team, and his record, and all of that, but he has had so many bad looking plays the last 2 years!  After watching some of these "close victories" from the last two years, I'm more impressed with his running than his throwing.

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GVerrilli92's picture

I would completely agree with your last paragraph if 2014 had never happened.

Pick any single game from 2015 or 2016, win or loss, and I guarantee JT had more bad plays in that single game than he had in the entire season of 2014. He had one of the highest QBRs in the country in 2014, and a "bad throwing" QB can't do that.

However, a "good throwing" QB can have one of the worst QBRs when he's asked to run between the tackles 17 times a game, the right side of the line can't pass protect, and no receiver on the roster can consistently bail you out on a bad throw.

Kitties aren't supposed to smell like cigarettes, they're supposed to smell like kitties.

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BTBuckeye's picture

Coop had a legit shot at a Natty every year from 1995-1998. 

That was my childhood man. 

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Don't forget 1993 when the 5th-ranked Buckeyes were shut out by an UNRANKED TTUN, 28-0.

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Patriot4098's picture

This is going to sound snarky, but the point is--Everyone who lived through that time period knows the rest of his comment will always read "...but then we lost to TTUN."  As someone who found his footing as a teen during the Coop era, it is my emotional foundation for the rivalry.  It is the landmark for which I hope we never return. 

"Evil shenanigans!"     - Mac

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

The point is that he won many many games, and many games in a row.  Right up until...it mattered most.  Was it the team?  Were the players different?  It happened so frequently and with such regularity and predictably that you cannot explain it away with any other reason than the man at the top.

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teddyballgame's picture

Remember the tight ends indeed

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

And frankly, failing to do this would violate what makes Ohio State Ohio State. Buckeye fans have arguably the sport’s unhealthiest obsession with losing.

From my profile:

Born in the year of Woody's first National Championship. Mom used to sing for me "Across the Field" as a lullaby. I've raved in Bucknut ecstasy and wallowed in abject misery as well. If that makes me a bipolar Ohio State Buckeye fan... then SO BE IT.

And I make no apologies. I yam what I yam.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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nm_buck's picture

For those of us that endured the coop years... we remember ecstasy... and abject misery at the end of almost every season

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

NM! My Man! Good To "see" you.

I'm passing the Duke City on my way to Raton on a M/C tour later this month. OK to look you up?

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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nm_buck's picture

Hell ya my brother. Please tell me it's after the 20th... I'm out of town on biz until then. Be great to have a beer. 

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

I'm thinking kickstand up around the 25th. I should be in 'Querque about noon. Let's do lunch.

I'll give you a jingle when It gets close.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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nm_buck's picture

perfect!

"kickstand up" lol

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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WoodyIsMyName's picture

From my profile:

"Born in Columbus,OH January 1st 1958. The same day Woody Hayes and the Buckeyes won the national title..."

I make no apologies either.  Losing is bitter, but they make the wins that much sweeter.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

 Losing is bitter, but they make the wins that much sweeter.

Such are the ties that bind all Buckeye fans. Nice meeting you, Woody.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

The People... are WINNERS.

The Tradition... is WINNING.

The Excellence... is WON.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Cruiser79's picture

Nicely stated GTH. 

Cruiser79

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Seattle Linga's picture

He speaks the truth from experience.

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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Cruiser79's picture

Yes he does Seattle. One thing about all of the comments posted by the people are how we look at things about Ohio State based on our age. As to the article by Ramzy it will be a mystery for the ages the record Coop had against that team! Hope you and your family and all the 11 warriors had a nice 4th of July.

Cruiser79

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Seattle Linga's picture

Thanks for asking 79 - had a blast and we live in a town that was originated by Native Americans so the fireworks display was not only legal but amazing. Hope you and yours are enjoying the summer.   

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Thanks, Cruiser.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Dillon G's picture

Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser. Said by another famous football coach. This did not mean to act like an asshat in defeat to your opponent.

#walkaway

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Comparing Tulsa and Ohio State is like comparing a Poodle and a Super model. Not even comparable. The years of not winning big important games was a sad period of time.

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original buckeye's picture

Just another example of Cooper not quite understanding the big stage.

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

Tulsa spelled backwards is a slut.  They're used to getting scored on then being treated with apathy, even from their biggest fans.  We've got higher standards!

“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.” 

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hetuck's picture

Maybe that's why we're playing them again in a couple seasons. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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KBonay's picture

LOL.  You've been knighted.

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

Ha!  I will do my best to serve thee kingdom well!

“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.” 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

"Uneasy is the head that wears the crown" 

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

My man! Sleep like a baby with that accolade!

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Hovenaut's picture

Again I see why it pays to return to the thread, and to read the comments you didn't see the first time.

That's pure poetry, VB.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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hetuck's picture

Coop wearing his "shade of scarlet" shirt. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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nickel beer's picture

Ramzy, you write really fine articles.

could not get out of its own way

Absolutely, that's a summary for the O last year and I just cannot see Wilson's dynamics permitting that to repeat.

half machine

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Steelydan54's picture

No substitute for excellence. 

No excuse for failure. 

No reason not to expect to win them all.        BUT...

No way to win them all, all the time.  

And that is the definition of a Buckeye Fan. 

Steelybuck54

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smith5568's picture

What are you, some kind of black belt? 

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Seattle Linga's picture

Cooper is a class act - and one heck of a recruiter ---- he could just never win when it mattered most.

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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Doug James's picture

The Clemson game:

i recall we missed an early field goal.   

Weber fumbles.

Our offensive lineman goes out.

Too many chances for Watson.

Our defense maybe worn out.

Questionable game plan.

Things didn't go our way.

i don't think big difference in talent.

DJ

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I remember thinking the Cooper Era was going to be special after watching us come back and beat LSU in his first season. Then I sat in disbelief at the Shoe after losing to Sparty in 98 THEN watching fucking Tennessee win the national title in the first BCS that season, a Tennessee team we would have utterly destroyed. The 1995 and 1996 losses to TTUN were bad enough but that 98 team was easily the most talented OSU team I'd ever seen in my lifetime and it all came crashing down when Little Nicky Saban showed us how unqualified Cooper really was to be our coach.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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CowCat's picture

I won't forget the 1988 loss to Indiana.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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bucksfan92's picture

Folks who want to bash Coop for comparing OSU and Tulsa need to chill a bit.  For one thing, look at the link, it was from a Tulsa newspaper interview, checking in on their old coach who had made it to the big time.

And he's right.  Buckeye fans go batshit crazy when OSU loses a game.  Always have, always will.  I've been guilty of it myself and I am sure I will in the future.  Losses don't bother me as much as they used to in my younger days, but I'd be lying if I said they didn't ruin my Saturday when they do happen.

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original buckeye's picture

"If you can't take the heat, get yo ass out the kitchen."

--Coolio

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stxbuck's picture

What drives me nuts about a certain % of Buckeye fans is that all they think is 'Buckeye=awesome. How can any other school be as well coached or equal in talent or capable of winning as us? Ergo, every loss means the coaches or players just aren't trying as hard in their Buckeyedom as i am in my armchchair QBing! I want instant change NOW or I'm gonna cry!!!!!!!'. 

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hetuck's picture

I take it Tulsa doesn't have a song that concludes, "We'll win the game, or know, the reason, why ...."

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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CowCat's picture

We Buckeye fans do have big expectations. Luckily our head coach grew up a Buckeye fan and has those same expectations, and he'll change his coaches and constantly tweak the offense to get there.

The Urban Meyer era is the first era where I don't worry too much about being down 10+ points in a game. I can't imagine beating Alabama with a 3rd string QB when we're down 21-6 if it were Tressel, Cooper or even Woody.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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BeatTTUN's picture

Crawled through a river of Coop and came out Vest/UFM on the other side

Man enough to admit I am a much nicer person when the Buckeyes are on a 14-2 run vs TTUN

Go Buckeyes

Beat Michigan

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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SleepyLeviathan's picture

The thing that bothered me about the Clemson game was, as a former defensive player, seeing the defense, time and time again, give our offense chances to get back into the game. 

Watson threw a pick really early in the game (Conley baited him into a throw). Ohio State ball in Clemson territory. Offense refuses to offense, and we miss a field goal. 

Defense holds the Clemson offense time and time again, just to see the offense sputter and punt the ball away. The fact that we held Clemson to 31 despite losing the time of possession battle by nearly 11 minutes, proved that we might have had the best defense in the country. Alabama couldn't hold Clemson to that few points in a much more pitched game. 

Weber fumbled once, in the 2nd half, after getting maybe 6 carries in the first half. That's going to happen if you dont give your back a chance to get a feel for the game and acclimated to contact early. 

We had an offensive gameplan that made no sense and refused to adapt and take what the defense was giving up (runs up the middle), instead we tried again and again to complete little 5-6yd routes and off tackle runs that were telegraphed from Mars due to pre snap motions. 

Aside from the offensive ineptitude, sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way. And that definitely seemed like the type of game where everything that could've gone wrong, did. Every time we seemed to get a little momentum, we'd misfire. False starts, Jordan getting injured, JT throwing a pick, weber fumbling, you name it. 

There was a great example of this in a scout's study of Malik Hooker. He took a play from the Clemson game, late second quarter, Ohio State down 10-0. Hooker was playing a loose zone over the top of a corner. Watson goes to throw a slant, and Hooker makes a SCARY fast break on the ball. If that throw gets through the line clean, Hooker has it, and has nothing but green grass in front of him. Boom, game flipped, Ohio State goes in at the half down 10-7. Still losing, but maybe that gives the team a shot in the arm to shake off the funk. Instead, the pass gets batted down at the line, incomplete pass. 

Overall, the talent was pretty equal, in my opinion. The difference in cohesiveness of the offenses couldn't have been more stark, and it showed. 

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Crumb's picture

I'm reminded of the speech from Patton; "Ohio State people are winners, they will not tolerate a loser."

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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Frimmel's picture

"I wouldn't give a damn for a man who lost and laughed." 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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2morrow's picture

We will be successful this season. We will only be great if we can establish a long passing game. That sentiment played out during the last 3 games of 2014. The Oline gave Cardale time to throw, Cardale found receivers (open and sometimes not) and receivers made plays. It kept defenses honest and Zeke killed em.

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Doug James's picture

I have thought the same about needing a long passing game......but Meyer championships at FL with Tim Tebow's passing, even though I don't recall how well/often Tebow/Meyer went long.   I recall a lot of short passing??

DJ

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

To put it terms even Coop could understand: Cooper is one of the best coaches in Tulsa football history; but he is arguably the second worst coach at Ohio State since WWII.

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TomD's picture

One of "the reasons why" is because Ohio State's opponents relish the idea of beating the Buckeyes, especially in Ohio Stadium and especially if the team has a number of players (and coaches) on its roster from Ohio.  Teams look at their upcoming season's schedule and circle the Ohio State game.  Teams, players and coaches, almost always come ready to play Ohio State tough.

When you are a premier program, you engender preparation and effort from your opponents.  The Buckeyes, players and coaches, must match this -- no, exceed this -- and come especially ready to play . . . every week.  That's what champions are made of.

"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." - Woody Hayes

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Banks of olentangy's picture

Seems like every offseason and preseason camp we read that this guy is killing it or this guy is unblockable. Which I love heariing but I try to just hope it comes true in a real game.  Like more of Noah brown against okla.  Also hoping coach Wilson will make the hidden changes to make the offense better. Changes that are complicated but needed that will explained better here in the film study.

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BuckeyeDale's picture

In our quest for perfection, we shall achieve excellence.

 

BuckeyeDale

GO BUCKS!!

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

A Buckeye loss used to ruin an entire weekend. That era is where I learned life goes on after an ugly football game. Do I owe JC a thank you ? I agree he is a great man and eventually all things end. We are currently blessed as we were with JT and his vest.

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Bob Rodes's picture

I remember the days that an Irish loss would ruin an entire weekend. But I'm old. Mizzou 3 ND 0 sticks out in a big way; that's about when the "Dump Devine" bumper stickers got visible every few minutes in traffic. 

Bob Rodes

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countrybuckeye's picture

having a better plan to "adapt and overcome" during every game will be a great change from the last season, and is what champions who "refuse to lose" do well

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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BuckeyeChief's picture

Man I hate to say it, but a Buckeye loss, Giants/Mets/Indians/Cavs in the playoffs loss make me miserable. I sat on my couch and didn't talk the rest of NYE.

SCPO, USN (ret)

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osu992's picture

If this were the forums, someone would be scolding you for reinforcing the off-season by picking on Cooper and Tulsa.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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markcarvour's picture

Yes, Coop never understood that the last game in November was the most important game of the year. He was as several others have mentioned a great recruiter, but failed at inspiring the team and if there was a loss to be had he sure grabbed for it. I do feel you're a little harsh with Earle Bruce, or is it that you weren't around when Earle was fired? Earle's teams beat Bo more than Bo beat Earle and he did it with less talented teams than Bo had during those years. Earle was fired because he believed in the old fashion idea that you go home with the girl you bring to the dance. He caught the president of the Ohio State University having an affair and exposed the president publicly. There never was a more ardent supporter of OSU football than Coach Earle Bruce. Just maybe you didn't read the Columbus Dispatch in Earle's last year and see all the blood in those columns over the fact that the OSU president had a problem keeping his zipper zipped. Don't revise history, tell it the way it really was.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

The agony of watching OSU Football is the knowledge that--at some point pretty much each season--we're going to take a loss. It makes each game that exciting, like the NIU game in 2015 that I watched--in agony--on my phone at the table at the reception of my wife's best friend's wedding when I wasn't watching it in the car, in Charleston SC at a "destination wedding." We didn't lose that one, we lost the MSU game by a friggin field goal with arguably perhaps the best team OSU's ever put on turf, that would have stormed through the playoffs, and won back to back chips (at least in my mind). The season before was the VT loss and the rest is history. What's my point in the end? Losing is going to happen, it just matters WHEN it happens, AND how the team reacts. And as Ramzy points out, most of the time good things happen after a loss. I'm certain that is going to be the case this season. But the bottom line for Buckeye fans is that we NEVER get comfortable with losing, and we know what victory tastes like and won't settle for "moral victories" like the ones we had under Cooper. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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