The Browns and Bengals Have Often Overlooked Ohio State Players in the Draft, and Sometimes That Has Hurt Them

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mcbuckeye2's picture

As a Browns fan, I have to learn to not be surprised with the moves they make in the draft. With that being said, I think they still had a solid first round, ALTHOUGH when Malik Hooker is there at 12.... you should absolutely take him. The Saints are doing, in my opinion, exactly what the Browns should be doing with drafting Buckeyes like Mike, Vonn, and now Marshon.

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

I knew they would pick Marshon when he was there. I remember hearing Payton rave about OSU prospects being the most NFL-ready. 

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

I may just be a buckeye homer but i feel hooker is a lock to be a stud nfl player. Years from now the browns decision to trade down from 12 just to get peppers will go down as bad as any draft decision theyve ever made. Hooker and peppers will play the same position so nobody can say it was because they werent looking at a first round safety. Makes absolutely no sense to me but im just a homer.

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

If you hadnt heard of Njoku before last night you must not follow the draft closely. Dude is a stud TE and has been considered a first round pick for a while. He has potential to be really good. 

Browns should have drafted Hooker at 12 imo, or Johnathan Allen, but they decided to be dumb. Drafting Peppers was such a Browns move. Not a Browns fan either.

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So aMaysn's picture

Pretty sure Urban also took a look at him late in the process during his Sr. year. 

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cdub4's picture

I saw Njoku on a few ESPN shows this week, and yes Ohio State did recruit him.

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

Watch his highlights if you're a Browns fan and you cant tell me you arent excited about him. Dude is a big play threat any time he touches the ball. Id be really happy with that pick if I was a Browns fan.

Honestly, their 1st round was really good imo. Myles Garrett is a stud and elite pass rusher, Njoku has loads of potential and should be a really good TE, and Jabrill Peppers can be used at SS, LB(in certain situations), outside corner, nickel corner, PR/KR, and can play offense(RB, WR, Slot, Wildcat QB). I think they reached on Peppers, but if used right he can be a very effective player in the NFL. OSU/Browns fans obviously dont like that they could have(and imo should have) drafted Hooker at 12, but they got an extra 1st round pick and Peppers out of the trade, which seems pretty good to me. Could have been much much worse.

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Kalmar's picture

Yeah but, peppers already failed a drug test when he knew it was coming so how long will he play?

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ATLBuckeye92's picture

The worst part of the Chris Perry pick was they traded down from the spot that St. Louis took Steven Jackson.  The moment that happened it looked like an awful awful decision.

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Crumb's picture

Yep and the very next year they traded down and let the Steelers get Santonio Holmes while they got Jonathan Joseph. It literally cost them a playoff spot in the final game of the season when Holmes caught a TD pass in OT while being covered by Joseph. Had the Bengals won they would have made the playoffs (and got bounced in the first round again, but still). 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I just don't understand what the Browns really were thinking in this draft.  I mean they draft like a team with absolutely no identity.

And they honestly have no identity by the fact that they don't have a Quarterback...  I know at 12 any of the QBs are a reach, but they had enough picks that they could have surrounded him with enough talent to flourish, even if he wasn't the next Andrew Luck.

You draft Garrett... Best player in the draft, no brainer.

Then at 12, you can make the move to get the QB you need, but instead you just free fall 13 spots downward... and you take Jabrill Peppers.  Again, a team with an identity on defense could plug Peppers in and do something constructive with him, but to me, taking Peppers with the state that the Browns defense in is just as bad as taking Manziel where they did, it just won't set the franchise back as far when he flames out.  Peppers is a square peg that sometimes loses a side and becomes a triangular peg...  I don't know if the Browns have the defensive diversity to figure out the best way to use him...  That will be a waiting game.

Then trading back into the first to get a pass catching, one-year wonder TE, when they already have a perfectly good pass-catching TE on the roster... Just doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not a browns fan, so I have no vested interest, these are just observations on my end, but it sure was confusing.  It's like they're out-thinking themselves, but they think they're out-thinking all the other teams.  It will be interesting to see where they go from here.

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grangel's picture

I said the same thing about peppers a team with strong corners or linebackers would be great for peppers. Peppers has no identity the Browns have no identity it's a perfect fit

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I just think when your team has a need at a position, then it is clearly defined, and the Browns have a need for a safety.  One that is a hard hitter, or sure tackler, or even a center-fielding ballhawk, but Peppers is none of those things.

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cdub4's picture

I think, and believe most reports I have read agree, that Peppers is a sure tackler. That is probably his biggest strength.  He didn't miss many last year. It's the coverage ability and experience at safety which are his biggest question marks.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

My thing is just that, unless you have an ultra creative defensive coaching staff, peppers is a piece, not a position.  They needed to draft for a position... So it just didn't make a lot of sense to me.  I can knock the guy all day for being a Michigan guy, and I would, and have, but apart from that, the pick is just confusing. Maybe I'm overthinking it?

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MOBUCKK91's picture

Both the Browns and the Bengals can be forgiven for shying away from Gareon Conley, because even if the accusations against him are proven to be false, the situation alone is enough to scare off many teams. 

False - at least for the Bengals.  With Burfict leading the charge of questionable character, choosing someone like Conley should not have been a problem (no thoughts of guilt/innocence to be read into this statement) - especially since NFL teams pay good $$ for investigators to confirm information on potential picks.   

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BelowAverageJoe's picture

They weren't looking for a cornerback and especially not Conley at 9.

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MOBUCKK91's picture

Although your statement is accurate, it misses the point and fails to recognize the premise of the argument.  The argument was that the Bengals (and Browns) could be forgiven for not taken Conley due to current off-the-field concerns.  My contention is that the statement is false as it relates the Bengals because character issues have not been a huge concern for the Bengals in the past decade or so.

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Crumb's picture

Yeah, there is a ton of talk and fear here today that they'll take Joe Mixon tonight. Character issues have never deterred Mike the lesser Brown and Marvin Loses. 

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DownEastBuck's picture

Has any one considered the fact that Peppers played several positions because he wasn't very good at one of them, as opposed to the popular narrative that he was pretty good at all of them. If he was spectacular at one position in college I can't help but think he stays there and thrives. Zeke possibly could have been an above average line backer but he was an outstanding tailback and therefore wasn't bounced all over the field.

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grangel's picture

Zeke tried the PR that one time and thankfully stuck with the RB position.

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RUNTOWIN's picture

I'm just glad NO Buckeye ends up being owned by either of those traveling sideshows that make up the Ohio NFL.  Both of them are a JOKE!!

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BayCountyBuck's picture

Perfect summation, may no Buckeye's career be cursed with collecting a paycheck from either franchise. Paul Brown has rolled over multiple times with the continued imbecilic ownership

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Chic'sGhost's picture

The Peppers pick is almost as bad as the Manziel pick, which may have been the worst pick in NFL history.
It's becoming clear why the team sucks so bad. Management are complete Fools.
When I first heard the Peppers pick I figured it had to be a joke.

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

When I first heard the Peppers pick I figured it had to be a joke

I laughed for a good 5 minutes straight when they made that pick(not that Peppers was the worst pick, just the irony of the fact that they traded what could have been Malik Hooker to move down to that pick and then proceeded to draft a player many of their fans hate)

Honestly, this is the most Browns pick Ive ever seen. 

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TraptnMI's picture

 I am a Bengals fan and I think every move and pick by the Browns was phenomenal. love me some Hue. Best 1st round by the browns probably ever. I was hoping Detroit would take Peppers, just a Swiss Army knife. You guys actually should be ecstatic over last nights results and have some actual hope for such a consistently shitty ass team.

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tbirnbrich's picture

As a cardinals fan it drove me crazy to watch them pass on Hooker. But I don't get why Browns fans aren't more excited. You picked up an extra first for next year, from a team that barely won their division and is either going to have a rookie or a Rutgers QB, so that pick may actually return some value. Then taking Peppers, who actually has a high ceiling as either a safety or LB can really become a great player if the coaching uses him correctly (think Mark Barron in Stl). He does have a relatively high floor too, in that he will at worst be an okay safety or LB on a rebuilding team and can contribute on special teams.

I think we OSU fans are a little blinded by hatred here. He's a good player with a ton of upside on a team that needs a ton of talent.

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cdub4's picture

I think maybe they took Peppers a little high, but I have no problem waiting a few years to judge the pick. Drafts are like recruiting classes, they get ranked the day after, then usually they get ranked again in retrospect 3-5 years later.

I look at the draft the way I look at OSU recruiting, signing day is one thing, but I can look back in retrospect and say guys like Darron Lee and Malik Hooker, athletes without defined position ironically are more impressive recruits than most thought on their respective signing days.

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dmiller2345's picture

Here's hoping the Bengals get Elflein in the 4th and Kwon on the 3rd. I kinda doubt Kwon will last that long though...

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Crumb's picture

They need offensive lineman so bad, especially a center. I'd love it if they got Elflein!

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

I cannot think if of a player or and organization that deserve one another more than Jabril "I'm a Safety now" Peppers and the Cleveland Browns. 

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mb5599's picture

As a Steelers fan, I love what both of those dumb ass franchises are doing.  keep it up boys!! only competition in the AFC North is (and by the looks of it will continue to be) the Ravens.  50/50 shot at winning the division every year.  I like it!

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Crumb's picture

I despise that, but you're not wrong. 

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

I don't get the apparent aversion by the Browns and the Bengals to drafting Buckeyes, either. One would think that just from a marketing and advertising standpoint that folding Ohio State football players into Ohio NFL teams would be a slam-dunk. Moreover, the Browns have made a couple overtures in recent years to hold their late-summer workouts in Columbus in order to appeal to fans in central Ohio and "show the flag." Why that hasn't been consummated is a mystery to me.

It looks to me like that both Cleveland and Cincinnati need to take some Business Management refresher courses and start charting a better course in hiring personnel. Those players are the face of their respective teams, and TOSU draftees could provide the needed skills and brand to make both franchises more successful, on the field and off.

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

After stewing on the Peppers pick, and the initial shock and insult to the state of Ohio wore off, I still don't like. Setting aside the rivalry, he is a jack of all trades, master of none player going to a team with massive needs. I don't think he can play safety in the NFL except maybe on a team where his athletic ability fits a scheme. Someplace like AZ, Denver, etc. So basically the Browns drafted a kick-returner, Josh Cribbs 2.0, who cannot catch good enough to play WR even though Hue said they will give Peppers a shot on offense as well. I am a Browns fan.

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

The only thing I like about the Peppers pick is that he becomes probably one of our top athletes. I was hoping they would have taken Cook in the 20s. Maybe he is there this evening.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Top athletes? For what, chasing from behind?

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Sanantonefan's picture

And not catching.

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Buckeye4life23's picture

Don't forget Cincy took that POS Jeremy Hill over Carlos Hyde.  At this point in their careers I'll take Hyde all day, fuck Mike Brown.

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Crumb's picture

Another gem by the Bengals that pisses me off. 

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CincyBucksFan's picture

No Buckeyes were a good fit for the Bengals this year in round 1.  Offense was the problem last year, not defense, so picking a buckeye early doesn't make sense.  If they go defense in round 2, and Curtis is there in round 3 then I'm all for taking him but most of the Buckeyes this year are a bad fit for what the bengals need 

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Sanantonefan's picture

I believe McMillan and Elflein could help them.

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Dillon G's picture

Thanks for reminding me the Browns won't take them.

#walkaway

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CincyBucksFan's picture

McMillan projects as a two down linebacker at the next level. The bengals have enough of those. Elflein could probably help though you're correct 

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CowCat's picture

Part of this has to involve the players themselves. Apart from a handful of Northern Ohio kids, who really wants to play for the Browns? Especially now as Ohio State is recruiting kids from all over the nation that have no inherent allegiance to Ohio as a state.

It's sad because Browns fans are by far the most loyal NFL fans in the country, but the organization is a complete train wreck. #FireEveryone

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GottaGoFast's picture

I've come to realize that the best thing about Peppers going to the Browns is that he will never have success at the NFL level.  He didn't achieve anything in college and won't achieve anything in the NFL (at least never with the Browns). 

Just goes to show that if you want to avoid being drafted by the Browns or Bengals, go to OSU.  Sounds like another solid recruiting pitch for UFM.

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Mortc15's picture

He achieved as much as a (primarily) defensive player can in today's game, based on the awards he received. We can debate whether he was deserving of all that (he wasn't) but he still collected all of those awards. 

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CowCat's picture

Just goes to show that if you want to avoid being drafted by the Browns or Bengals, go to OSU.

Coughing up my dinner laughing at this. Thanks!

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Dillon G's picture

For me it isn't about picking Ohio State or Michigan. Leroy Hoard was good. It about not taking good players, over and over. Johnny Football? And taking bad ones where it is obvious their game does not translate to the NFL.

#walkaway

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SaudiBuckeye's picture

Evidently the Cleveland Browns want to disprove the adage that life immitates art. They want to the world to know that "Draft Day" were purely a work of fiction and decided to reverse the script!

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ramiy63's picture

There's a reason I don't watch pro football anymore (a few reasons actually) with the main one being that the franchises in Cleveland and Cincinnati are embarrassingly bad. Not just bad teams, but bad franchises led by terrible ownership and ignorant front office people. If for no other reason than to attract people to their games or to get viewers on their broadcasts, they should make an effort to draft Buckeyes. They can't perform any worse can they? It's not like drafting Ohio State players has helped to get them to where they are... 

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Crumb's picture

The idea that any NFL team would deliberately overlook players from any particular school simply because they're from said school is silly (although, if we're being honest, the Browns and the Bengals are two of the teams that one can envision doing this), 

That's the Cleveland Clap and the Cincinnati Cons for ya. 

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Browns are playing moneyball with draft picks. Sometimes the team should put football above numbers and pick a great player. Very disappointing they and the Bengals have stupidly avoided Buckeye players. Not that smart obviously.
My Minnesota Vikings used to have C. Carter, R. Smith, and K. Stringer. Nice when BUCKEYES can cluster on a team. I hope it happens elsewhere as well.

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