They just haven't really produced anyone here recently. The only listed prospect from Glenville on 247 has no stars for this cycle, they had one three star corner in 2017 who went to Cincy we had no room for, and in 2016 again no one listed had any stars. Not that stars are everything, but that program simply isn't what it use to be.
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There just isn't a lot of major college football talent in that program right now. I watched them when they came to Olentangy Liberty last year. Very underwhelming in terms of skill level.
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Talent pool the pipeline was connected to dried up. Just not a lot of top tier guys like years past. I wouldn't write them off completely though.....Very unwise to put a chip on anyone's shoulder from that part of the state.
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Meyer recruiting on a national scale. Also Ted Ginn Sr had a serious illness and I think that disrupted the talent development
I had heard he was ill. Does anyone know how he is doing now?
He had quite a program going for a long time.
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Ted Ginn beat pancreatic cancer, which is pretty amazing. He is doing well now. The talent in the greater Cleveland area is not transferring in to Glenville like they once did. All of the "Heights" schools-Maple,University,Cleveland,Shaker,etc-are seeing their top players stay put instead of transferring to Glenville.
Cleveburg nailed it. Glenville goes as Senior goes. The talent is still in Cleveland they are just more spread out.
He is doing well...I ran into Ginn Sr., Ginn Jr. and Troy Smith at TownHall in CLE 3 weeks ago when they recognized some of us at our table as we went to school with Ted at OSU (and one of the ppl at our table has a brother who used to play with him at OSU and Carolina so that was the main reason).
It's not because we are recruiting on a national scale. If there were talent like in years past, we would recruit them. It has dried up and they simply don't have any major prospects.
All of the above, plus there's been a well-documented population shift toward the South. Businesses and, therefore people, are headed in that direction for a variety of reasons. Mainly because it's just plain cheaper to do business there and states bend over backward to accommodate. States like NC, SC, TX and others have been doing quite well for several years now, despite an otherwise difficult economy. Big corporations move key people to start their new endeavors. Those managers hire ((their)) folks and so on - viola, population shift.
Yep, just plain cheaper. Relative to the Midwest, southern workers are about one step ahead of Kathy Lee's sweatshop.
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People also realized sunshine > snow and they didn't have to wait until they were geriatric and move to Florida.
Yeah, there's something to that, as well, Oz. At the same time tho, every region has different weather/environment challenges, whether it's snow, excessive heat and humidity, hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, or 'quakes, drought, fires out West, etc. I dunno. Never been to San Diego, but they say the weather is perfectly perfect there!
Starting to fade but there are other developing pipelines, Westerville South (Gill, Williamson, Wesson brothers (basketball)) and Cleveland Heights (Jaylen Harris, hopefully Tyreke Smith)
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Glenville has started to lose out to private schools with the player awareness of their future rising. Glenville is still solid in football, but they don't put out many D1 players anymore. All the D1 kids in the city of Cleveland tend to go to Benedictine , St. Ignatius, or St. Edward. Those are three football POWERHOUSES within 15 mins or less of most of Cleveland. Those schools tend to play either a national schedule or play other power programs around Ohio frequently, and have better funding and coaching staffs. The kids realize now that it's better for their development. The rest of Glenville's league is pretty poor.
Just simple as that.
All the D1 players most definitely do not go to Benedictine, Edward or Ignatius, and it's not as simple as that.
Both St. Edward and Ignatius have selective admissions that favor Catholic school kids. Many CMSD kids have not had the educational opportunities that provide them the skills to pass the entrance exam.
The average kid that forgoes Glenville is much more likely to end up at Cleveland Hts., Bedford, or Warrensville than Edward or Ignatius.
Glenville has also dropped from D1 to D2, and the lower enrollment has impacted their number of top flight college prospects.
"Let me quote the late great Cornel Sanders, I'm to drunk to taste this chicken"
Glenville didnt drop from D1 to D2 because of enrollment. They dropped to D2 because of how D1 is structured. D1 is basically the biggest schools. There are just less teams in D1. Heck region 1 in '09 had 30teams, '10 had 26 teams '11 had 32 teams, '12 had 32 teams. Since they did the restructing its been a lot different. '17 only 19teams, '16 only 18 teams, '15 only 16/17 teams. and so fourth.
They're a D3 school now I'm pretty sure.
Yep. the Height kids are staying in the Heights. They just don't have the talent they once did. AND the catholic schools are blowing everyone away except for the occasional MENTOR revival, which is every 3-4 years like this year.
Ted Ginn Sr. was and still is the man. There isn't a thing he wouldn't do for that community. Lets not forget what he accomplished in the track and field community, either.
Hear, hear! Senior is the man!
He is a tremendous asset to the Cleveland community and is on the level of an Augie Bossu or Chuck Kyle.
Saw a clip about a year ago (maybe longer) where Urban was talking to a group of reporters. One asked about a pressing engagement Urban had planned to attend but ending up skipping to go to Cleveland instead, to a function Ted Sr was hosting (or at least heavily involved with). When asked why he chose to do that, Urban replied, "Simple. When Ted Ginn calls, you answer."
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1) Ginn had to take a step back but is still around
2) people are exiting the area rapidly -- this is the direct rise of cleveland heights just to the east.
3) Ed's has maybe relaxed admissions a bit.
I always chalked up the pipeline to Tressel.
Very good assumption - Tressel also had a way of gaining the trust of high school coaches.
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It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
This. Couldn't find the quote, but I read somewhere that Tressel wuold take fliers on lower rated guys from ohio on the recommendation of high school coaches (such as Ted Ginn Sr.) When they hit (see Troy Smith) great. Urban isn't taking fliers on low rated guys, because he's recruiting top 300 guys from all over the nation, and we'll probably start seeing more Ohio guys pop up as stars at other schools that didn't go to OSU because they weren't really recruited to go to OSU.
Precisely. Both ways have their merits and both led to Championships.
Families are less willing to be around the Glenville neighborhood. That area is extremely rough. As others have stated, it makes more sense to move to the nearby suburbs to raise a family.
CMSD is open enrollment. You don't have to live in Glenville to go to school there. This is one of the reasons that the other Senate football teams suck, Glenville serves as essentially a magnet school for football.
So if you live in West Park, are you going to drive all the way to Glenville every day to take your son to that neighborhood? That's the reason why Ginn Sr used to let kids live with him.
I had to take two buses to get to high school. If my son wanted to be a Tarblooder he would have to figure out a way to get there.
If you live in West Park and your son is any type of football prospect, you are most likely to end of at St. Eds. Just minutes away and both the admission standards and tuition are definitely flexible for great athletes.
It was covered in the Cleveland.com article about Marshon in the Wednesday Skully
It's also possible that Lattimore and Worley, who's likely to get drafted next year, could be the last Glenville players to go the NFL for a while. It's difficult for Ted Ginn Sr. to get talents like that to come into his program now. The street life is often more alluring. Discipline is hard to come by. Ginn has far fewer Division I prospects than he's had in the past. Lattimore wants to be a light for those kids. He has to tread lightly.
Here's an on point article about Grenville stars
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Isn't Pop Warner football eclipsing Muny League football nowadays? With P.W. being mostly in the burbs and Muny being in the inner city? I'm a Muny League product (St. Tim's 88' pee wee champs!!) So I think the pipeline to Glenville has dried up as well due to Pop Warner taking over Muny. I'm not above being corrected on this.
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