Wow, talk about a fall from grace. Not even an OC or co-coordinator spot.
Downgrade in job level... Bucks really wanted him out
"To Buckeye Nation: You have my word that I'm going to give everything I have to continue the tradition of excellence and winning that this program has enjoyed during its storied history."
Or.......he wanted out. He went from being the savior......to Jim Bollman Part II in the eyes of a demanding fan base. If I were him, I would begin to believe that life is too short. Fresh start.....rock star coach.....Less pressure.....can sleep at night. Not a totally bad deal.
Besides....none of us know.....or can pretend to know.... what went on..... in what was a shit show of a locker room or war gaming in the past 4 weeks with this Offense.
I think you're reading too far into this... Kevin Wilson is replacing him. Better to start implementing his offense and ideas without conflict now than wait for April when they can add a 10th assistant (most likely).
Does Wilson have any receiver coaching experience to teach Smith?
The more you act like a lady the more likely he’ll act like a gentleman.
I don't think that Ed would seek out a demotion just to get away from OSU.
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
Tiger I was thinking this same thing. In my humble opinion and I may catch some slack for this but I think Meyer told his offensive coaching staff, mainly his Co OC's that they find new positions elsewhere so he doesn't have to tell the media they were let go just to save face. Now again that is just my humble opinion on the matter and I have nothing backing it up I just have that feeling that there was some type of discussion in that office with those guys similar in manner. I say that simply because of Meyers statement after the playoff game and the fact that neither Beck nor Warriner tech had any real suiters being discussed other than maybe Warriner to E Kentucky.
I sure would have preferred Warriner stay tho but as O-line coach because at that coaching position he did an excellent job of coaching those guys up and getting them to gel fairly quickly, example is the 2014 season. Beyond that I'm stoked to see a new revamped D and a faster tempo O under Wilson!! Go Bucks!! Should be an interesting and exciting season!!
Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~ Woody Hayes
I agree I would have preferred to move Warriner to OL coach and move Studawa to another school. I may be easier to take a demotion in responsibilities at a brand new school rather than the current one.
What you are saying makes no sense. He wanted out so badly that he would leave taking less in pay and status? And if Fleck is a rock star coach, what is Meyer??? Come on man.
Of course none of us know for sure what happened, but logic always makes sense. And having said all that, this is a good move for him, as he can start fresh and reboot his career. But I hardly believe that he made this choice all on his own.
I bleed scarlet...literally
Not saying that he made this move totally on his own so you can take a breath: I know that Meyer is a rock star coach. As of now, so is Fleck., with less pressure.
Not saying that Warriner went running away from OSU and wanted to take anything at all costs. IIRC.....he is also from Ohio, so this must be painful on a number of fronts, ego notwithstanding. We can guess that Warriner may have been given an option or two from Meyer that were simply unacceptable.....so they forced his hand. So, net, net.....yes, his hand may have been forced, but he may also have had a say in his future. Not an ideal one by any means, but a say nonetheless. Shit, he deserved that much.
Warinner has HC ambitions. He was probably going to leave after this season had things gone as he intended.
Now though… his stock has taken a nose dive. Moving back to OL for Meyer would cement that nose dive. Although this move to MN is also a demotion, I bet Fleck wanted to secure him and think a little about the OC role. I bet Fleck announces in a couple days that Warinner will be a co-OC.
On another note, I totally thought Warinner was going to end up in Cincy calling plays for Fickell. I would have bet (and lost) money on it.
Aesculus excellentium cum MCMLXV.
This is exactly why I wonder what the other coaches thought of him that he ended up at Minny. I thought for sure Herman or Fickell would have grabbed him.
You're not giving Fickell much credit
Warriner may be thinking also, that in 2-3 years Mimnesota may need a new head coach - if Fleck succeeds. Certainly, Warinner did not leave on his own, but Minnesota is a choice with decent upside for him. It has been openly stated many times that he is looking to land a head coaching job, and I'd expect nothing less. Good spot for him. I think we have seen that, with food coaching and decent recruiting, Minnesota can be a good program.
Hmmm.....not sure. I'll ....work on it.....
“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”
Just messing with you, I've been known to ask pointless questions when I'm bored at work ;)
He's William Shatner?
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
He's a rock... It... Man... Rocket Man. Burning out his fuse up here... Alone...
Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.
I just re-read the post in shatner voice and laughed my ass off. Hahaha
I don't get the Shatner voice, but I am laughing too. A co-worker of mine would bust my balls about it too....so.......there.....you ....go!
Ellipses discrimination is not cool.
Homey don't play dat?
covered the waterfront, NutInPA.
and some opine t'was nothing... or much ado about nothing.
But Russ Fulton put it well early in 2015 in comparative play diagrams and the simply question: "why the [repeated] reversions to what wasn't working?"
that things grew worse from that observable... is probative.
But we won't have another bunch of 'observables' now until glimpses of spring practice.
I for one would settle for some nice, boring, descriptive... information... about UFM's 'new' offense. And 'old' defense.
And give the tragedy to the players straight. THEN close the book.
Spare everyone the narratives, please.
I wonder if I can have his Ohio State gear. I'll text him.
It must've been ugly
In my opinion there is no shame to going back to a job he was probably the best in the country at. How many of us are the best at anything in the country? Not everyone is made for every position. Any team is lucky as hell to have him as their OL coach.
I couldn't agree with you more there!! He was absolutely the "BEST" at O-line coach!! I truly wished he would've stayed and taken a bit of humble pie going back to that coaching position but I absolutely understand why he wouldn't or couldn't have. First off maybe Meyer didn't offer it back to him or he simply wouldn't have done it to save face. I could see how that type of demotion after two lackluster seasons as Co-OC didn't work out ya know. Good luck to him nonetheless tho as well as Beck and Fickell.
I don't know about shame but it's a serious hit in the wallet
That's true but doing what you love and knowing you're awesome at it is pretty cool. I mean - it's not like he's living on poverty wages. This is a can of worms but how much money do we really need?! I mean more nice but above 250k life is pretty sweet.
What we don't know is if Ed is truly happy just doing Oline but I hope he is bc while it's not as powerful as OC - 9 units strong means 9 coaches strong and everyone has to be excellent. The best head coach can't win if his Oline coach is a slacker.
Arguably the best OL coach in the country will be working for...Minnesota. I imagine this is partly due to Urban's 2-year rule with Studrawa and partly due to things souring between the two.
Yep, have to wonder if Urban sort of wishes he could have Warinner stay as O-line coach instead of Stud. Stud is supposed to be great, but Warinners results in the same position were awesome. He wasn't much of playcaller, but Minn just got one of the very best line coaches. Their ground game is going to be good in a few years.
Problem I have with this is the sample size. Yes the Slobs I played better than the Slobs II that Stud coached last year. But could it just be that guys Warriner coached were better players (or that one year isn't a fair sample size to assess the current group)? I get that people will always have a special place in their heart for any coach that was part of a championship team, but at best all I can do is give Stud and the Slobs II an incomplete (noting that they were still good enough, despite massive turnover, to help get us into the CFP).
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
People all too often only remember the good and not the bad. Our OLs in the first year under Warinner was not stellar. 2013 was pretty good, as was 2014. But people forget about the first year. So, they want to compare the last two years that Warinner had responsibility for the OL to the first year for Stud, who was breaking in 3 brand new starters, on a freshman, with 4 new positional starters. The chances that this year's OL matched up with what we saw in 2013 and 2014 were next to 0 but that apparently makes Stud a less talented coach than Warinner. Even with 2 all americans and some pretty good returns on Jones. It is what it is...some people know not of what they spout while others are just simply not happy ever.
here here Broward Buck. People lose all objectivity once a title is won--unreasonable conclusions get attached to that and all other data gets ignored. We basically broke in 3/5 of a new line with Pat switching positions, and the line was still a good enough component for the team to reach the CFB playoffs and generate a 1,000 rusher out of a first year starter at running back. Honestly, this year's productivity on the O-Line beats the productivity of Warriner's first O-line, but that of course isn't how people are doing the comparison. I also agree with you about people just bitching non-stop--I have seen this in all kinds of other forums ranging from serious shit like politics to trivial stuff like video games. Some people are just constantly unhappy and need an outlet.
some people know not of what they spout while others are just simply not happy ever.
It's similar on Matta & hoops comments. If OSU doesn't win a Natty—by a big margin—they trash the coaches & players.
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !
Very well put Broward... I am one who would have liked to see Warriner back at O-likne coach because I think he was excellent in that gig. Stud I can say did a fair job with what he had to work with considering the turnover etc. I'd say if Stud is all he's been talked up about then we should see a much better O-line this season with only 1 position loss and I'm guessing Prive will move over to center? So who will fill the gap? Burrell?
No, if Urban wanted Warriner to be OL coach instead of Stud it would be so. It's not, Urban has his guy.
I tend to agree with this. The insinuation from some complaining about this is that Warriner was lost because Urbs is playing favorites with Stud because of his previous relationship/friendship. It is ridiculous to not give someone like Urban the benefit of the doubt with his track record.
Stud has a two year contract to coach the offensive line.
Stud has a 2 year contract. If Urban wasn't happy with Stud as the OLine coach, he woukd have moved him to TEs with the 10th assistant coming in April.
I also agree, but I hope Urban wants Stud because he is better, not because Warriner challenges him or isnt willing to take any bullshit, and he cant handle it.
I still recall the scuddle butt with Vrabel, now we damn near have every coach on the 2014 team gone.
Theire is only one truth...
I'm not arguing against that, Ed did a marvelous job in 2014 with the O-line. However, he definitely did not have them ready to go in Game 1 of that year and he had some really really good players to mold. Maybe his job was easier in '14 than Stud's in '16 (?). I think we still need to give Stud a chance. One down year shouldn't doom Stud, a guy who has a pretty impressive track record himself.
I supposed if you want to count a year where two of the 5 starters were named all americans. I'll take that down year and so would pretty much every CF team. Biggest issue we had was with a true freshman starter that got beat in pass protection in a few games. Again, I'll take that if some want to consider that a down year.
What is funny is that many of those complaining would never had guessed the year we had this year six months ago. Most assumed 2 - 3 losses this year during the regular season. So, to finish out with 1 loss (should have been unbeaten) was pretty unexpected. All with 3 new starters on the line, with 4 of those effectively being new starters because of the line shift. I think Stud did a tremendous job with what he had to work with. And that isn't even mentioning the severe lack of development from the backups, which people also conveniently don't want to acknowledge is a part of Warinner's legacy.
Really only had one weak link that was exploited on the line. I was expecting a much worse line honestly. I think we over achieved and set the bar very high in Norman. I would have liked to see more development mainly of one struggling player. That being said they have a year of experience and an entire off season to improve. I don't think they regressed and they did a lot better than most expected.
If you're talking about Prince he's not a true freshman he's a RS freshman or Sophomore. I can't seem to recall whether he RS last year or not but regardless he was new to starting this year and really playing and with that he struggled with pass protection when up against decent or better Defensive Ends/Fronts. Sorry I didn't mean to come off as argumentative but wanted to make sure we were talking about the same guy lol...
Let's not forget how not one backup was developed at all based on how lost Knox was when called into duty. I couldn't believe how ill prepared he looked.
"Great moments are born from great opportunities." - Herb Brooks
Correct. Prince gave the OL a bad look. They had a very solid LT, 2 AAs in the interior, a true frosh that held his own, and in 3 games Prince looked really bad. You know what else the OL didn't have those 3 games that they had in the past? A TE or RB to chip the DE or stay in and block. When you're in the process of giving up 7-8 sacks in a game, it should be pretty easy to recognize an adjustment needs made in the protection/playcalling.
Absolutely Will! TBH I was shocked that Prince was the guy that struggled this year. After hearing last year he was the first freshman to lose his black stripe I thought he would've been one of the better lineman this year and figured that Jordan would have some growing pains. Jordan was a nice surprise as you said he held his own for sure! Jones didn't fair too bad either. As expected Elfien did wonders at center and Price didn't do bad himself. And you're right without the TE or RB being to help make an adjustment in blocking those ends we gage up multiple sacks which I would've thought they would've gotten shored up after that PSU debacle. I'm thinking with Princes size they'll move him on the inside to G and bring in new blood at tackle but I may be wrong there. Looking forward to seeing Stud getting these guys worked up and meshing together before that trip to Bloomington. Go Bucks!!
Sounds like Price will move to center, and Pridgeon may move to Guard and compete for a spot. I think the tackles remain the same and we have to pray Jamarco doesn't declare.
Sorry Broward I also meant to agree with you about the year we had. I think the Like did very well as you said with all the new guys and the new coach etc etc. And that's one thing I honestly never really got to see much of this year, the backups? They played in what maybe 2 games this season other than when Jordan got hurt early in the Playoff game? Again tho they did better than expected, I expected maybe 1 loss this season but not at PSU, and they helped get us to the playoffs so the expectations for next year are high. With an entire offseason and a year under their belt they should fair much better.
I think the "moving ons" are a kind way of Urban saying look your done here but to save face let me help you look like you've moved on
Or maybe some move on because working for Urban runs its course.
Urban is acting quickly and decisively, this is a good thing. I think he realizes he may have been a little too nice the past two years, hope this lights a fire under his ass.
"Because we couldn't go for three."
Wish it didn't have to end like this. We really did have some good times together
Guess it's come together after all.
Good luck Ed.
COME ON DOWN KEVIN WILSON
Offensive line coach at Minnesota
Surprised it's not OC. Great pickup for the Gophers. Good luck Ed.
Weird that he didn't go for OC, but will for OLine? Why wouldn't you stay at OSU as OLine coach?
oh well, good luck and welcome Kevin Wilson!!
Maybe he wasn't offered OC under Fleck, and as to the latter question, pride.
I guess, and it would be weird to work in the same place after taking a step down, but O-line coach at OSU vs O-line coach at MINNESOTA?
Fick did it.
I don't know how you see things, but from my perspective, Head Coach > Offensive/Defensive Coordinator > Position Coach.
Unless you mean Fick going from HC to DC here, which makes sense, but a little different
And it was Interim Head Coach, not Head Coach.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
He was not asked to stay on as OL coach. Or as a OC. This is the most well handled and gentle firing you will ever see.
I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.
I Believe In Ohio State.
I don't think he was asked to stay
Why wouldn't you stay at OSU as OLine coach?
Because Stud. We already have an O-line coach. Maybe there was more to the story as to why Urban moved Ed to TE coach and brought in Stud.
Ed was moved to TE coach when he went up in the booth. This was done bc they felt like the OLine coach needed to be on the field. This was talked about a lot last year.
You are aware OSU currently has another coach in that position, right? Just satin'...
Fully aware that Stud is at OLine right now, but my question to you is, who is better as an OLine coach? Stud or Warriner?
Warriner created the Slobs who carried us to a Natty, but you decide.
Did you see my other post? Sample size is small for both and incomplete for Studawara. Is it more important what I think or what Urban thinks? I have never coached at high level (actually any level), don't go to practice every day, don't sit in on team meetings, etc. It just amazes me that people think they can sub in their judgement for Meyer's with only a fraction of his knowledge of the game and information pertinent to the decision.. You either trust a guy with a .850 WP% and three titles or you don't. For the fan it is this simple--we won a title while Warriner was OC, so he should have been kept. I don't know exactly how this went down, but I will bet it is far more complicated than that.
Not to be nitpicky, but Warriner was the OL position coach on the 2014 team. 2015 was when he was promoted to Offensive Coordinator.
True...we won the Natty in 2014...when he was OLine Coach...correct?
Loving these moves by Urbs. There is a little Saban in him after all.
did you think his winning percentage was an accident?
People on here are funny. They complained about perceived complacency after a great season but admittedly a terrible loss. Now that he is trying to fix this, some are complaining about the moves. It is true what they say--you can't please all the people all the time. People who are good at what they do have to trust their decision making skills irrespective of what others think or say.
You can look at my comment history and see that I don't complain often and am not really complaining here, as at the bottom I say "Welcome coach Wilson."
However, my main question was why the rumor of Warriner being interviewed for OC at Minny and then being hired as OLine.
Plus, while I understand we have Stud, I believe Warriner is a better OLine coach, which makes me think it was a personality conflict, not a quality of coaching. Either way, GO Bucks and good for Coach W, Minny is getting a good one.
I am thinking he interviewed for OC and Fleck decided not to hire him. I think Fleck wanted him for OL coach and Warriner didn't really have other options. Out of respect to him, Meyer kept this silent until Warriner landed elsewhere so it wouldn't appear that he was fired. While you could be right about it being a personality thing, it is also equally plausible that Meyer thinks Studawara is as good or better OL coach and that's why he kept him. People just claim in matter of fact fashion that Warriner is the better OL coach and never consider the possibility that that simply isn't the case.
I think you are correct that it must have been a Fleck decision on Warriner for OC. However, the news I heard was that Warriner said "
no," which is what made it confusing. That may have just been him saving face after being told no though.
As for Warriner vs. Stud, based on overall sample size of offensive line, I would side with Warriner, but I do trust Urbz and hope that Stud can create Slobs 2.0 with some good recruits and some returning veterans to open holes for Weber and protect well for the new pass happy offense.
Maybe he wasn't offered the o-line coach position by UFM....
"The great thing about football is that when you get knocked down, you get up and go again." - Woody Hayes
A lateral move/downgrade? This makes no sense. He's arguably the best oline coach in the country and we're losing him to minnisota??? Scratching my head right now.
Uhmmmm Greg Studrawa would like to have a word
Stud is a good coach. Warinner is a wizard.
True that, but OSU wasn't going to downgrade his job level and kick Stud out after one year. They needed a spot open for a new OC.
So if he is such a wizard, why are Knox, Burrell, etc. not pushing for starting spots? They've been in the system for several years now. Why are there two lineman transferring that were also recruited by Warinner? The lack of development from that group is pretty inexcusable, given the 4/5 star OL studs that were brought in.
So, this supposed wizard is a crappy recruiter, has no personality that recruits can relate to, hasn't developed his position group and yet he is somehow better than Stud? He is some kind of wizard while Stud is somehow not worthy. Sorry...I'm lost with the lovefest from those that want to overlook all of Warinner's warts and only give him praise because of the "slobs" from 2014.
"Stud is a good coach."
I would have liked to see what you would have written about him exactly two years ago. Think what you want, but that offensive line was prolific in 2014. Once the new RB and QB got their legs, the offense took off and the line became the heart of the team.
I dont mind stud and think the jury is still out as far as his ability. Warriner has more than proven he can do amazing things when his only duty is to run the oline.
Studrawa is not even close to being as good of an OL coach as Warinner. Sounds like Ed didn't take the demotion very well and was just willing to leave and get a new start somewhere else. Even if Urban wanted to keep him as OL coach, Ed wasn't going to stay after feeling slighted and being blamed for the offensive struggles.
Dude....Well, that's like your opinion, man. Cheers.
Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.
Well I guess you know more than Urban. Dude really needs you on speed dial so he doesn't keep fucking up.
He wasn't our O line coach. He was the one calling plays. It's called getting fired.
Maybe it is as simple as UFM cleaning house and not offering him the o-line position. Not that big a head scratcher if you ask me.
I think it is considering he is one of the best oline coaches in the country who has already proven how valuable he can be for urban coaching the oline. Im not saying there isnt an underlying reason for this move cause obviously there is. But you cant blame warriner for the lack of production out of a young oline anymore than you can blame herman for JT's regression under beck.
Beck had 2 years and did not produce a result out of the QB room. Also, the last thing that was a concern for UFM (at least publically)last year or this was the QB room - not so with the o-line. The o-line was a significant concern for UFM well before the season started. I can't count the number of times he said so during pressers and other engagements. Those concerns were realized during the season. UFM plainly stated - before Natty Signing Day, well before the season, and during spring ball - there was a lack of development of several guys who were expected to step up. It was so dire he decided to go get a JUCO lineman as a stop gap. My point is all of the things that led to Meyer's concerns with the o-line were discussed either before Stud's hiring or very shortly after and were not related to ANYTHING Stud had done. Heck, up until spring ball he had never even been able to participate in an on-field practice with the linemen. I am not taking anything away from Warriner. In other threads I even defended reasons to keep him. I am just not on the bandwagon that Stud needs to go or that injecting some new blood (Warriner was here for 4 years) is a bad thing.
The cynic in me also has to ask - if Warriner is the end all and be all of OL coaches, why aren't other top tier programs looking to fire their o-line coaches just to fit him in? Why Minnesota? Doesn't seem like the landing place for the best o-line coach in the country. Not trolling here - just something I considered before concluding something else was going on that we aren't privy to and that Stud needs to be given the chance.
Warriner was a phenomenal offensive line coach and imo the best in the country when thats all he did. Those lines performed well above what should have been expected considering their talent level. Some of those guys were converted dline for crying out loud. 2015 did see a decline in performance but it was also the first year that the oline was not his sole responsibilty. 2016 was studs responsibility and the players were incredibly young and inexperienced so im not passing judgement on the job he did. There is no way i could even speculate why other top programs didnt go after warriner. I just believe that his leaving had nothing to do with his ability to coach and develop lineman and everything to do with him and urbz having issues. Urbz preaches staff alignment and clearly there was a lack of that when warriner was calling plays. Its not absurd to assume that caused a rift which caused the split.
Man, a lateral move... or I guess a downward one. Don't like that look, but I guess something had to be done.
Its a job when otherwise he would be playin' solitaire until dawn with a deck of 51. Not a bad deal if you ask me. Going from $600 k to probably around $300-350. A pay cut sure, but still not in the bread line. Although he will have to pay more for winter clothes.
Barney Fife lives, and he lives amongst us.
And he might have a chance to move up quickly in the Minnesota coaching ranks.
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
To have been a fly on the wall.
Can Minn take Stud and we have Ed as our OL coach again??
I don't get why everyone is so down on Stud. Yup, the o-line was underperforming this year. But....
1. O-Line was a huge concern for UFM going into the season because some guys were not developing as expected - under Warriner who was o-line coach up until this season, I might add.
2. Pridgeon was supposed to be the JUCO transfer to fill that gap. Not Stud's fault he tore his knee up during fall camp. Nor was it Stud's fault the same o-linemen that weren't developing under Warriner were all that was available to fill the gap.
3. Stud's o-line at LSU - a run centric team to a fault - won a natty and had 10 or more wins for 5 of the 7 years he coached there. Not a bad resume, particularly given Stud was with LSU during the years the SEC dominated college football.
The moral to my story is I for one am more than willing to let Ed go with a hearty pat on the back and huge thanks from Buckeye Nation while giving Stud his chance to mold the current Slobs into a premier unit.
Underperforming is a huge understatement. 8 sacks against Michigan (or any team, really) is unacceptable.
And it amazing there weren't any adjustments made during the game to help the OLine with protection. Especially considering the guy calling the plays was a former OLine coach.
I agree. So was the continual pressure from the Clemson d-line in that debacle. I just have a hard time believing that the development of the o-linemen under Warriner was not a major contributor to Meyers concerns that he expressed repeatedly after the 2015 season, during the 2016 National signing period, and through spring ball and fall camp - and thus the reason he was not offered the o-line position by Meyer. Stud isn't blameless here. He just had much less hands on time with the group Meyer pegged as not developing.
I initially thought this was a mutual decision (similar to Beck's move) but a downgrade of this level seems to be more of Urban's choice to move on. It'll be interesting to see Wilson in full control of the offense next year.
I wouldn't be so sure that Becks move was mutual either though. Yes he made a better move than Warriner and it looks quite a bit better from the outside looking in but I think with the lack of perceived growth and possibly even regression at QB the past 2 years maybe forced his hand. Again in my humble opinion I think since Becks arrival Barrett seemed to regress a bit in the passing game but that could also be due to lack of growth from the receivers themselves. And last year could've also have been partially due to the inability to make a permanent decision on starting QB instead of playing the back and forth game with Barrett and Jones game until the 8th game of the season. Barrett seemed a little more hesitant in the backfield which could be due to not trusting his receivers or just simply Beck caused him to start second guessing himself but who really knows other than Barrett himself. Now all that's in the past and I'm looking forward to seeing what Wilson and Schiano can do with our D and O respectively.
Wish him the best of luck, the Gophers got a good one. Well a good OL coach that is.
Can't row the boat with Slophers.
Fleck and Minnesota need a guy like Warriner coaching the Oline and bringing a mature presence to the team. They are lucky to have him.
Sorry...hit the downvote on accident...
Anyway to fix that?
That being said, good luck Ed...thank you for your contributions the past 5 years...
Minnesota is getting a good teacher of the game of football...exactly what Fleck needs to succeed in Minneapolis
Just hit the "upvote"...It should change it for you...
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
It works, I just DV'd you and changed it.
It's a down vote but then it switches! It's an up vote!
Beginning investigation into how many times the word "marion" appears in the source code.
I'm confused but not really. He wanted out, and Urban didn't want him or some combination of the two. That is all I can draw from this.
"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.
He wanted out, and Urban didn't want him or some combination of the two.
It really is that simple. A lot can happen behind closed doors. I am a fan of Ed's, but if he is in fact the best o-line coach in the country, you would think top teams would be lining up for him. Instead, he is a Gopher? Maybe he is not the o-line savior we think he is.
I agree. The same Slobs that Stud is being crucified over this year were not developing under Warriner - UFM's biggest concern entering this season was the o-line and a lack of development. Maybe Warriner was the beneficiary of being in the right place, at the right time, with the right combination of guys????
I am wondering if Warriner interviewed for OC at Minnesota but was offered OL coach instead?
Meyer is starting to cycle through coaches like he does with recruits. We really are becoming Alabama Norh.
EDIT: Being Alabama North is a good thing because you know, they win a lot. Lots of Championships
"I may not be able to outsmart too many people, but I can outwork 'em." ~Woody Hayes
Never heard of Alabama Norh.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
Not Alabama North. The fucking Ohio State University!
It's funny, but until recently, Saban was known for his assistants staying forever. Only recently have some moved on (and I think Kiffin was a special case). I think you are suffering from recency bias.
Please don't ever compare us to Alabama Norh, Sud, or anything else in that state.
Napoleon and Nick Saban...both 5'6"
Good luck Ed. I do believe you are the best offensive line coach in the country and I wish we could have kept you here in that capacity.. You completely transformed a unit that had under performed for several years under Bollman. I wish you all the best.
"To be the man you've gotta beat the man and just when you think you have all the answers, I change the question." The Nature Boy, Ric Flair
Why not put him on our line?? Minnesota can have Studrawa
Someone above said. Gotta be a pride thing.
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It was not a good couple of years for Warriner. There are a limited number of chairs and a larger number of coaches to fill them. The music plays for the next few weeks and you better have a seat by signing day. A two year run with and up an coming coach to restore his reputation is not a bad gig.
Maybe there can be some sort of "sign and trade back" deal.
Tim Beck gets to be OC at Texas and best Warriner can do is OL coach at Minnesota? Interesting ....
Maybe it's all he wanted for now. And some good nights' sleep.
The signs were sort of pointing to where the real problem was before all of this. Warinner has been playing calling for a while, and it has been super ugly. Beck was way ahead with going to Texas. And since we know Herman isn't a moron, odds are something was going on more with Warinner, and now it is safe to say that is confirmed. Program and position downgrade. Beck makes a lateral movement more into his wheel house with opportunity to shine(Seriously, you know with Urban at the helm you're going to be in a shadow for a while.). Still not sure how much was Barrett or Beck for the throwing inability(or maybe Zach Smith, but not ready to go there yet) but we will find out.
I think we should go there. It's a clown show.
I hate to say it, but Clemson's passing Offense showed just how far behind them.....ours is.
Good point. Beck, the guy everyone on here wanted fired, goes to Texas to be the OC. And Warinner ends up taking a demotion and going to Minny.
Ed ducks the media after the Clemson game, while Beck man's up and faces the media. Then Herman claims it was common knowledge that Beck hasn't been calling plays all season.
It's seems all of the hatred for Beck was misguided. Warinner was the one responsible for the terrible play calling and game planning, not Beck. Seeing where Warinner and Beck ended up and the positions they took tells you everything you need to know.
When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.
Exactly. We've recruited high caliber players on the line, and Warriner never seemed to be in the mix on those players.
I think a lot happened behind the scenes. Thanks for all you did Ed, but I'm sure behind closed doors Urban has had this in the works for a while.
Beck has the title but he won't be calling plays. Herman will. Herman wanted Beck for recruiting.
Really? What else did Tom tell you when he called?
"You don't win when you're too damned happy, and I like to win"--Woody Hayes
Wow, didn't see that coming. The guy was in line for some HC gigs the last couple years and now gets a demotion to a mid level west division team. Good luck to him though, he was a huge part of bringing a NC to Columbus in 2014. We had some great offenses that featured what was the best O-Line in college football with him as the Slob Emperor.
I don't like this. I would rather have Warinner than Stud coaching the O-line, But i guess Urban puts more value in recruiting than player development.
Urban is 61-6. Whats your point?
Warinner was 50-4 as our 0-line coach stud was 11-2 do the math and ratio you'll get the point
That is ridiculous quoting ascribing a team record to the o line coach. He controls so little of the program, one of nine units. Sorry, but this argument is a complete bullshit spin. 2014 is gone people, deal with it.
Not when the offensive was offensive line driven for the 4 years and he took player like Chase Farris , Daryl Baldwin, And Reid Fragel whom never played RT before in there careers and they perform great that is excellent coaching. We were a dominate running team that blew d-line back and opened up huge holes.
If you think Ed Warinner and the O-line had very little to do with our success you don't know football much. In 2012 and 2013 we were never close to being 9 units strong the O-line carried the team.
No one is saying he didn't do a great job, he did. But winning football games is about OL line, DL line, receivers, QB's, DB's special teams, etc. I have never seen anyone quote an OL coach's record and for good reason. I think Warriner is one of the best in the business and I wish this had played out differently, but it is approaching a man crush for some posters on this board.
No i just had a simple opinion i would rather have Warinner than Stud coaching our O-line. Only reason i would think Urban would prefer Stud over Ed because he is a much better recruiter. But nobody knows the whole story if Warinner was really pushed out or he left on his own.
And i was just being a smart ass with my response with records
Warinner was calling the plays for Studs line. That throws the ratio up in the air.
There is no such thing as "friendly fire"..
LOL...did you just praise Warinner for player development?? The same guy that was responsible for recruiting Knox, Burrell, Trout, etc? The same OL that can't see the starting lineup after being in the program for 3 plus years? With two of his guys that can't get into the starting lineup and 2 others (that we know of) transferring out, that sure spells development to me!
In fact, a part of the issue with Warinner has been the LACK of development from that position group. So much so that Meyer and Stud were PRAYING for no injuries and were forced to start a true freshman that wasn't quite ready, but was better than the other options.
I will take Stud 8 days a week and not think twice about it.
What about Price, Decker, Elfein, Hall, Baldwin a converted D-line Farris also converted D-linemen, Fragle converted t.e, Undersized center in Boren, Norwell, Mewhort, Linsley. All developed by Warinner.
Knox, Lisle, And Burrell have battled injuries most their careers. And Knox not being ready to fill in against Clemson thats on Stud, Trout got passed up and out recruited it happens not every player pans out.
Sorry I must've missed prices name in the beginning of that post lol... There were quote a few converted d-linemam on the o-line those first few years due to injury Andy lack of the recruiting at that position I believe.
Ever been part of team (sports or at work) where someone was demoted & retained, subordinate promoted over their existing leader, passed over for a promotion, etc. Far too many ways for things to get sideways and screw up your culture in those scenarios.
Regardless of your personal opinion of Warriner vs. Stud the above is now part of the dynamic. This is best for both sides.
Busy Tuesday...Minnesota is looking pretty decent for the future. Probably getting arguably the best OL coach in the nation. Fleck is getting a steal here. Good luck to Ed.
"Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain."
Gives me a good idea about what Meyer thought of the offensive braintrust for the past two years.
Wasn't too long ago that we were celebrating Meyer keeping Warriner after the 2014 season. Seems like he was also a candidate for just about every mid-major job for a few years too. Methinks there may be more to this story...
"Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you."
Yeah - we're not hearing the entire story. That much is certain -
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers
I don't think this is complicated.
In hindsight, new coordinator and QB coach like Sanford, Riley, Cumbie, etc, would have been brought in to continue Cardale maturity and move to less QB run focused offense in 2015, but continuity was viewed as best path to success.
Cost us a repeat in 2015, but based on last night's team's performance, we weren't going to win it this year regardless.
I'm sure someone on the inside will tell me how wrong I am.
truth > confirmation
A reasonable supposition, I guess -
Sounds pretty damn logical to me......as credible as anything I have read, I'll put it that way.
I was thinking he same thing. It appears that Warriner is a better OL coach than OC. Based on his work as an OL coach, he earned that promotion (which is probably what kept him here). Urbs than had to hire a full time OL coach. When the offensive production dipped the last two years culminating in that shutout, it was inevitable there was going to be a shake up. We will never know what happened, but I can see either Urbs unwilling to fire Studawara because he believes he is doing a good job/not the source of the problem, and/or Warriner was not willing to accept a demotion here (the fact that he accepted one elsewhere, that kind of thing happens all the time in real life because of pride). In a perfect world, Warriner would have been happy being just an OL coach at OSU forever--I think we all know that isn't he way it works though. I also am guessing that Warriner interviewed for the OC job at Minnesota and kicked the tires elsewhere, but didn't get any real interest (given the way things ended for OSU, he couldn't have been a hot commodity on the OC market).. That last part is speculation but makes sense when considering how this played out.
Well pit FTN. I agree that we may never truly hear the full and true story of what happened behind closed doors but I'm also a believer that some things are best left be. What good would it really do for us as fans or Meyer and Warriner had those talks or talk become public? I think there's much more damage than good if that were to be the case ya know.
Welp, that was awkward. Good luck in Minnesota.
Why couldn't we keep him here to be the O-line coach?
I Hate Michigan.
I'm surprised Meyer kept him. I'd rather have Warinner. I know we had a young O-line but I was not impressed with Studrawa.
I agree totally. He's a great O-line coach.
9-0 and a chance to go 10-0...
I really wish it was coach Stud going to Minny. Ed did a fantastic job with our lines. I would assume he will assist with the OC job at Minnesota.
Son of bitch that's disappointing. Letting a proven, outstanding O-Line coach go elsewhere when the current guy on staff led his group to the kind of season they had is frustrating. If this is Warinner saying, "I'm not taking a demotion... I can coach offensive line elsewhere, but not here where I was the OC" then I get it. However, if this is Meyer choosing Studrawa over Warinner, well, that I don't get. No, I don't think I know more than Urban... I'm just thinking aloud.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
Pete Thamel reporting it? - I guess Fleck had a drawing after interviews to select new OLine coach. Some say it was rigged.
That wasn't Thamel.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
It is sad to see Ed go, because of what he brought to TOSU. However, I am looking forward to having one voice at the top of our offensive and defensive pyramid. We have been trying to appease coaches by giving them titles. Let's see what Wilson and Schiano can do with total control on both sides of the ball.
Excellent point -
Agreed EasyE. I've not been a big fan of this Co-coordinator situation since it was announced. I was also thinking it was dole simply to appease the coaches or appeal to the egos maybe but again that's just my opinion. I'm certainly looking forward to seeing what our Defense and Offense looks like this year with two great coaches without hopefully any interference. One Boise should certainly help with getting rid of some of those pesky Delay penalties we've somehow continued to get this past season!! Excited and stoked to see what Wilson and Schianno have in store for us!! Go Bucks!
Doesn't really make sense to me because he was clearly a fantastic OL coach (much better than Stud) when that was his role here. A souring between he and Urban, pride, and Urban not wanting to get rid of Stud after only one year are the only reasons I can think of to make sense of it
"Souring" may be the key word there. I think Urban wanted a clean slate.
Very tough assumption to make, warriner had dynamite playcalling, taking stress off the line due to variety, Stud had...Warriner. No variety, blind people knew what was coming.
Because what you’ve got in you, we’re gonna find out, ok? I’m gonna find out. And if there’s a touch of greatness in there, how cool would that be? ~UFM
We had issues on the O-Line this year, and one of those was a lack of depth, and Stud wasn't here for any class before 2017 ..... who recruited/made decisions on O-Line before Stud?.......
I'm assuming Urban is holding Ed primarily accountable for the offensive debacle in the desert; otherwise I don't think he'd be leaving for a lesser role. Ed has demonstrated he's an outstanding O-line coach, but I won't miss him calling plays. Not sure I grok the hate for Studrawa given the cards he was dealt. He may not be the O-line coach that Ed is, but given the choice I'll take him at O-line if it means we get Wilson calling plays.
Not happy with this result, wish Coach Warinner the best of luck and will trust that the boss knows what the F he's doing.
When I was 6 I was thinking about this rivalry. This one is seared on your soul, It's ingrained through every part of your body. -Urban Meyer
He's a great o line coach. Best of luck. And may your piss remain hot!!!
Well, we just lost 3 of our 4 coordinators after going 11-2. I know we weren't thrilled, but this much change makes me uneasy.
To be fair, Fickell certainly was not pushed out the door.
At the same time there were some pretty foundational issues on offense the past two years. I think that Clemson is better than OSU, but not 31-0 better.
I'm getting confused with this story.
“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”
If this is true, I wonder what direction Urban will go when he has an empty slot to fill come the vote in April. Will he use it on a TE specific coach? Unless he is bringing in Chip Kelly miraculously, I'd rather he didn't bring in a co-OC to compliment (hinder) Wilson.
Wonder if they reinstate Hinton as a coach
There are a few good coaches that followed Wilson from Oklahoma to Indiana....I personally would like to see him bring an old Ohio guy back home. Sure his fam would love that too. James Patton would be a great TE coach here. Ohioian, played at Miami(Oxford), coached multiple groups at Oklahoma under Stoops including TEs and OL. Followed Wilson to IU.
It's fitting that Ed's going to be bringing enough gold pants with him to suit up their entire starting o-line.
Let's hope he brings some belts, too.
Meyer promised to never let this(Clemson manhandling us) happen again. This is part of his process. Stud pretty much just got here so we cant blame development on him. Maybe Warinner got too comfy and complacent. That doesnt work for coach Meyer. All in all day every day. Wilson is creative and an offensive wizard. I trust that Urb has the right coaches in the right positions to develop the players...Wilson will take over from there.
Next year will be a special year...just got a good feeling.
Stud better work his ass off this season or the crazys are gonna have their pitchforks and torches pointed at him. Best of luck to Ed though. He'll always be remembered for that 2014 line evolution.
Two years of offensive inconsistency, culminating in the 31-0 debacle, can and probably should send any OC backward. Appears to be a gentle and classy dismissal from where I sit. Good luck, Coach W, and thanks for '14.
1. Bet Fleck has a scholarship for his son.
2. Now, let the speculation on the 10th coach begin. Do you make Smith the recruiting coordinator (able to travel off campus) and bring in a new receiver coach? Any names? (Joker, come on back!) Guiton? (Texas recruiting ties) Any other IU or 49er coaches we want?
We're definitely not getting the full story here. I think everyone in the Woody has been aware that Kevin Wilson was gonna be the OC next year for a few weeks now. Urban probably told Ed to start looking for a job elsewhere.
Best of luck to him at Minnesota. He was an invaluable part of the 2014 championship run.
As a fan of coaches and educators in general, I admire the decency of Mr. Warinner and all the good things he did for Ohio State. This is a man who has much to offer. He'll land on his feet in Minnesota. Best wishes for success and fulfillment in the months and years to come.
Thank you Coach Warinner
I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
The top OCs find a way to adjust...some new tweaks and wrinkles and go against tendencies..never saw that in the last two years. Just this should work, let's keep trying it until oh crap time to get X or Y or Z his touches.
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
Why not make him offensive line coach here again?
The "Peter Principle'. Warinner was a great offensive line coach - but he was promoted to offensive coordinator. He wasn't so good at that. Hey - it happens -
And when you're offered a promotion, there's no guarantee of getting your old job back if it doesn't work out.
Shit Happens Bum Juice
This is a great get for Minnesota. We saw what great work Ed did as our O-line coach. Fleck is also getting someone who can help him instill the right culture, and is a good recruiter.
That said, very excited to see what Wilson can do. This looks like a win-win for both programs.
Next move needed in offensive overall is an upgrade for WR coach, but Urban has too strong of ties to Earle to ditch the grandkid.
Could be that's where the much anticipated 10th assistant coach comes in this Spring -
I hope with being able to have 10 asst coaches that one of them is a true special teams coach that can make our FG kicking more consistent.
Ever changing is the landscape. Buckle up backaroo's! were going through the overhaul!
"You show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser'' -Vince Lombardi-
Man, Stud is taking a real bashing today.
I think it would serve us all well if we go back in time and remind ourselves that Stud has a pretty darn good track record coaching offensive lineman. This year was a mess, but its hard to tell if it was purely coaching or if it was also personnel.
Uh, he was fired by Les Miles. At LSU he had the interim-OC title until a new OC (Cam cameron) was hired. Stud went back to coaching O-line at LSU, then was fired a year later .
#1 - Great hire for PJ Fleck.
#2 - Ed Warinner’s son (Edward) is a LB prospect in the ’18 class. He probably was never going to get an OSU offer, but I can definitely see him at Minnesota. Warinner coaching on the same team as his son could be important for him and why he is willing to just be an O-Line coach.
Best of luck Coach Ed. Great hire by Fleck and MN.
See Studrawa article above.
Godspeed, Coach Warriner; thank you for your contributions to the team.
Man - if he was going to be Oline. I would have liked him to be Oline for us. He's proven himself in that area. Nothing against Studwara.
I'm not sure what really happened this year on offense or who is "too blame." We had the issue last year and it seemed to be fixed after the MSU game. Why didn't it continue into this season?
If memory serves me correct, it was when Wariner moved up to the box that we believed the situation was fixed. Why is he the scapegoat now?
If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die.
What happened on this O-Line is that we had 4 new starters (shifting Eiflein to center). Still, it was good enough to generate a 1,000 yard first time rusher, help a QB win conference offensive player of the year, I think generate 2 All Americans, and was good enough that the team was able to make the CFB playoff (a little luck, and we would have had an undefeated regular season). I am not saying there aren't issues, particularly depth, but man, the chicken little's rewriting history because we ran into a team that was clearly better than us while we also played our worst game is ridiculous. Stud's first o-line was better that Warriner's first o-line. Let that sink in...
m-kay. But what happened to the offensive adjustment made after MSU'15? It left with the grads?
Minnesota just got a heck of an offensive line coach! Thanks for revitalizing the slobs! Best of luck unless playing the Bucks, Coach.
"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War
Minnesota is getting a fantastic OL coach. Warinner was crucial to the improbable 2014 championship. I'll always be grateful to him for that.
Annnnnd Ohio State is losing a terrible OC.
Godspeed, Ed. Up and onward with Wilson.
Man, this is a tough business. Good luck, except when you play the Buckeyes.
TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.
Oh how the mighty fall... I guess this is what happens when you're complacent
I wish Ed good luck. But let's be honest. He had a lot more to work with than coach Stud.
I envision great improvement by the line and hopefully JT will learn not to hang on to the ball for 6 seconds.
I'm guessing his salary is still a bit more than most of us on this board, and he has a chance to work back up to an OC position, all the best to Coach Warinner.
The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes
Not as many opportunities to correct people on the spelling of the O-Coordinator's last name any more. I'll miss that.
When you're as good as he is at a speciality it is hard to escape people thinking you ought to focus on that role - wonder if he'd ever consider going pro to coach oline?
Wahoo! Wahoo! Rip, Zip, Bazoo! I Yell. I Yell. For O.S.U.
I wish Warinner well, but it was time for a change.
Had it not been for Warinner's mastery in coaching up the Slobs, the championship run in 2014 ceases to exist; and for that alone, he has my gratitude.
Good luck, coach. Gophers are getting a great one.
Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.
Wow. Talk about a fall from grace. I suppose Warinner felt in the final analysis that it was better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven.
Best of luck to you, Coach. I won't forget the fine work you did with the Slobs in '14.
Go Bucks. Into the Wild.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
Best of luck to you, Coach. I won't forget the fine work you did with the Slobs in '14.
I suppose Warinner felt in the final analysis that it was better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven.
Great saying. I'm going to use that someday, just don't know when.
Attributed to John Milton's Paradise Lost. About the only part of it I remember.
Ed was a great OL coach from all accounts, but a great OL coach doesn't necessarily translate into a great OC. Everyone could see how flat and predictable the offense has looked in most big games against quality opponents.
Ed as an OL coach.... absolutely. Ed as an OC... absolutely not. Whether he was in over his head... don't care. The offense under his watch (insert Tim Beck's contribution here) was not productive, predictable, and had we not had superior talent, responsible for a few more losses! Bring on Wilson
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Damn, I hate to see his time end this way, but so be it. Urban has really gone scorched earth at the places that he deemed most necessary. Shaking up the WR depth chart is clearly part of the process too. I'm intrigued to see how all of this shakes out, even just in the spring game. Hopefully, the power run game with spread concepts and getting playmakers the ball in space returns to OSU's offense next season.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
Warner.."peter principal" in action
Beck .....allowed our QB to regress.....and had no clue about play calling/offensive strategy.
Congrats Coach Warriner!
Bundle up. Winter up here has a whole new meaning...
16-2 is SWEET!
What do you all think Fleck can do at Minnesota? He has decent - not great - talent, is assembling a good staff (Ed is a great O line coach), and Fleck can coach.
I could see him challenging Wisky and Iowa and making the B1G championship game within 3 years.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
This is directly from OSU's website..
He and his wife, Mary Beth, have three children: daughters Madisyn and Merideth,
I'm sorry but those spellings are just horrendous lol. Nothing against big Ed but what a weirdo move
Harbaugh sits whilst he urinates
Sad to see him go, he probably didn't want to be demoted to just TE coach, even if the increase in the number of coaches is approved.
As for Warriner vs. Studrawa ... that's hard to measure. Part of the OL's success from 2012-2014 was Tom Herman installing a zone-blocking scheme after lobbying Urban.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Best of luck in Minny. Hopefully he and Fleck will bring a little respectability to the Big 10 West which is largely a joke beyond Wisky
I think it's clear what happened... Urban was bringing in a new OC and since the current O-line coach has only been there for one year, Urbs couldn't move him back to that position due to his own 2 year rule. Anyway, good luck to him in Minnesota! They're getting a top notch O-line coach in Ed Warriner!
I'll miss him but I wish him well.
We'll always have 2014 . . .
I guess it was a mistake to make Warriner Co-offensive Coordinator. We lose the best o-line coach in the country. It would have looked liked things were in complete disarray to move Warriner back to where he was and should always have been and get rid of Studrawa the year after he was hired.
I'm shocked at how many buckeye fans are commenting on here in some sort of defense of warriner - his playcalling was laughable in big games - did none you watch the Clemson game? how about Michigan state last year?.......are you all that delusional?
warriner had to go. I'm excited to see what Wilson can do. hopefully we've seen the last of the wide receiver bubble-screen that warriner ran 30 times a game and we can see a return to the buckeyes going down the field for big plays and opening up the run game.
Will Hinton go back to being being TE coach after he was booted upstairs giving Warriner the easier job of TE coach to go along with his O-coordinator responsibilities?
11W article discussing Wilson's hiring states Wilson will be OC and TE coach.
Works well for both parties I think. He needed a fresh start and they need a good OL.
Plus his son has a really good chance of being recruited there.
Minnesota just got a hell of a lot better. He develops linemen.
“It was time to try a new challenge” Hopefully, this one won't so difficult for him.
Really wanted to see him move to O-line with a CO-OC title but good luck to him in Minnesota, except when you play TOSU. Coach Fleck just got a huge addition to his staff.
"I was tired of trying to work my way around the back so I just ran him over.” - Joey Bosa
Good luck to an excellent O-line coach. I didn't think he wanted to call plays anyway. One step back, for two more steps forward someday.
He could coach the OLine. We would not have won the NC in 2014 if not for him.
I for one am puzzled by the number of "keep Ed and send Stud to Minnesota" posts in this thread. Ed was a good coach who should be thanked by every member of Buckeye Nation for his contribution to the 2014 team. But, I am not convinced the right guy wasn't shown the door. UFM repeatedly stated during spring ball and fall camp that O-line development was a major concern. This line, although newly coached by Stud, was the same line Warriner had been charged with developing until his shift to tight ends. Hard to believe that the lack of development that concerned UFM was suddenly the fault of Stud. Said another way, why did this newer crop of linemen NOT develop under Warriner? Heck, it was so concerning to UFM that he went out and signed Pridgeon as a stop-gap measure. Not Stud's fault the guy tore his knee up and had to be replaced by the same linemen whose development concerned UFM so much. Not saying Stud is fault free here, but a lot of the blame seems to point to Warriner. There is also Stud's track record - a Natty and 5 of 7 seasons with 10 wins or more at LSU - a very run centric school that was winning 10 games a year when the SEC was dominating college football. I'll take the change in staff and the injection of new blood into the coaching ranks.
I was listening to Cowherd today ( I know... but I was home sick) and he made a point about how the presence of Nick Saban in the conference and unrealistic fan expectations caused the SEC to run off all of it's good coaches. The Playoff was embarrassing, and some changes need to be made, but maybe a little perspective is in order. The Bucks had the youngest team in the country and still went 11-1 in the regular season and went to the college football playoff when they should have lost at least 3 maybe 4 games. They lost 12 guys to the NFL. They far exceeded expectations, we are a fortunate fan base. Be thankful you are not a Vols fan (whom I live among and can testify to the misery of this fanbase) who are enjoying a near decade of mediocrity without any reasonable hope of a return to prominence. (They are however champions of life!) Wariner was an awesome OL coach, offensive coordinator not so much, I just hope we are not victims of our own success and running off good coaches because of unrealistic expectations.
Well now the offensive coaching staff overhaul is complete. Best of luck up there, Ed...enjoy a Dilly bar or two on the sideline.
Class of 2010.
I suspect, without access to any secret sources, that Warinner pushed for Beck to re-unite the boys, then hard-balled the OC job or else he was going elsewhere. Meyer was afraid to lose his O-line coach skills, so gave him the promotion. At times, like Notre Dame and Michigan, it seemed to be working. Ultimately, Warinner, Beck and Meyer couldn't get on the same page, and thus the play-calling was awful and slow. Meyer must have been constantly over-riding nonsensical calls--or Beck and Warinner were frustrated by Meyer's distribution priorities. The fact that Meyer has 3 NCs, and Beck Warinner came up empty, leads me to believe the problem is gone. Meyer didn't seem to thwart Herman.
Failing to recognize that systemic changes were needed was well-masked by a lot of close wins against mediocre teams, and blow-outs versus hapless ones. Twice we've ignored trends before the disaster thinking we could make a few tinkering adjustments--Prince can just get some reps in practice etc. I won't forget Fickell's "did we win" comment. Both times the iceberg came in the form of Clemson. We know what comes next, right?
Good luck coach. As a former Twin Cities resident (a year I'll never get back), I wish you a great 2.5mo this summer when Minnisnowplace isn't a cold, miserable place to live.
I kid you not, we still had a 2' x 100' pile of plowed snow taking up parking spots at my company office in Minneapolis on 5/1/2001.