Here we go. Not sure why Herman would want him but the Texas boards are not happy. Either way it was time for something new at Ohio State.
You would think that you wouldn't really need help in Texas.. being Texas.. but at least he's not here.
How firm thy friendship..
That was half of it. Take him away from the school who is poaching 5* players from your state.
I see a chance that we can get Herman back in 2-3 years when Beck screws up again like he did in NE & OSU!! Hallelujah !
Herman won't be back at Ohio State until a new head coach is needed.
Huh, when the designated time bomb explodes, what would Herman choose between "Back to tOSU" and "unemployment line"! From the past track records in NE & tOSU, the time bomb will explode nicely on schedule!
He is an incredible recruiter.
I'm glad we're going in a new direction. QB development has not been good.
To me, though, the bigger problem is on the offensive line. And having three people splitting playcalling duties is a pretty strange setup. Tough to be a HUNH team when you have three voices arguing on what plays to run. We saw so many delay of game penalties this year, and that sequence at the end of regulation against Michigan was straight-up embarrassing.
When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.
Maybe you missed this part:
The sources said Meyer changed play-calling duties between Beck and co-offensive coordinator Ed Warinner more than once during the 2015 season before settling on Warinner in 2016.
So, was Beck making the calls Saturday or Warriner?
So perhaps Warriner will go back to the O-Line and maybe. Kelly or some up and coming coach will take over play calling duties?
I highly doubt Ed is going to take a demotion at this point and go back to the o-line.
If I was Meyer, which of course I am not I would say O-line or unemployment line. There is no shame in being the best O-Line coach in the country.
If I was Meyer, which of course I am not...
Of course not. You already told us who you were. Isn't that right, "I Am Kirok"?
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers
I am Kirok, and I have come.
Just try not to stone me outside of a temple, ok?
Unless I miss my guess, you seem to be stoned enough already - /s
Sadly, I've never touched the stuff. Just a man in his thirties with an undying love of Star Trek. :)
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"The O-Line or the Unemployment Line" - great line. A bit cold perhaps, but fair. I don't really have sympathy for anyone who has made as much money as Coach W. has having to find new work, and it's part of the overall gig in coaching football anyway.
I agree Cause - take it or leave it - leave your ego at the door we're doing what's best for the TEAM not for you Eddie. The door hasn't been broken down with teams looking to take him as a HC. Can Urban leave his ego at the door???
What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.
i still think you are Urban.
If Warriner is the true play caller, who is looking at him for the same position elsewhere?
Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.
Noone, OSU's offense has been offensive. I defended Beck until his comments after the Fiesta Bowl stating JT only threw one bad pass. He had two in a row on deep throws and then Beck praised him for drawing interference calls. Duh, that should not have been praise but criticism of late throws. If he can't throw further, then he needs to anticipate and throw earlier. I have said all year and taken numerous DVs that Warriner was the play caller. People jumped me thinking it was Beck.
Yea, but you've got have game reps throwing the deep ball to develop that timing and chemistry. J.T. had the same issues with Devin Smith when everyone thought J.T. couldn't throw it deep and he said, we've just got to get our timing down and we'll be fine, then he started dropping dimes to Devin Smith with relative ease. It's all about timing and rhythm and the Warriner-Beck offense simply couldn't create it.
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Then maybe he can just demote himself out the door. Play calling was atrocious.
Warner needs to go.
you have 3 downvotes???!!!! who in their right mind thinks warriner should stay????
ED WARRINER SHOULD BE FIRED FOR WHAT HE'S DONE TO THE BUCKEYE OFFENSE OVER THE LAST 2 YEARS.
This makes sense, but sometimes you just wanted to be home. And OC Ed Warinner is far from home.
then throw warriner out the door - the guy is incompetent as a playcaller.
His strength lies in the OL development, it was a stretch task for him to be the OC, he needs to stay as the OL Coach.
Not that I want Meyer to be Coach Satan or anything, but if they can sack their OC while being talked about as one of the most dominant teams in history, then Meyer can show the door to some offensive staff even if we did make the final four.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
Meyer is to stubborn/prideful to do that and admit he has been wrong all this time.
Not that I want Meyer to be Coach Satan or anything, but if they can sack their OC while being talked about as one of the most dominant teams in history, then Meyer can show the door to some offensive staff even if we did make the final four.
Meyer said a few times that Clemson was a great team & all their players were NFL quality. Saban saw what they did to OSU & immediately told Kiffin to hit the road. That's because he is expecting the same to happen to his team & now he will have an excuse. Saban knows OSU and Bama are on the same level this year & if Clemson plays at the same level against Bama as they did OSU, Bama is going to get embarrassed too.
I hope he learns the lesson twice (2013 & 2016). When there is something wrong, react fast; there is always a reason for something going wrong, fix it before it becomes big.
Smith needs to go.
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Kevin Wilson is looking like Urbans pick http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2017/1/3/14089492/kevin-wilson-to-be-named-...
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Exactly. I'd true, Ed is far more to blame for play calling this year than Beck. Let's not skip over the fact that this WILL hurt recruiting as well.
I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..
nah, they'll be fine. they are pretty set on QB for a few years so whatever bumps in the road will be fine by the time it matters.
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Just have to hope none of those recruits follow their recruiters to other teams.
Urban Meyer worrying about an assistant's departure hurting recruitment is like Leo Di Caprio worrying about the fact that his #1 wingman OD'ed or something will hurt him w/ the ladies.
Or, it may actually help recruiting.
Good question. But the answer lies in the fact that we underachieved offensively the past two years. Take your pick, they're both to blame.
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Yeah... I keyed-in on that as well. Not exactly glowing praise for Warinner. And it makes me question whether Beck moving on, alone, will fix the problem.
Absolutely not. Warinner has to go or be demoted before our offense can improve.
It's been Warinner since last years fiesta bowl vs ND. But everyone here wants Beck fired, this is like the 10th time that they have said Warinner calls the plays. But let's fire Beck anyway.
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
EW has called plays since last season but Beck still has to develop a qb and JT has regressed. In a perfect world Stud goes to TE coach and EW goes to o line coach and and co offensive coordinator but stays on the field. The new hire will be qb/play caller in the box.
Love this idea Cutty- Seems like a win-win-win-win. We get one of the, if not the best, O.L. coaches in the country. We can all save face by letting him remain co-off.cord. by title, but letting the new guy both develope our QB's & calling the plays ALONE from the press box. EW could still help instill the run game plan from week to week, without the burden of play calling. Let him be on the sideline with the Slobs face to face throughout the game to make much needed adjustments. See what Stud can do with the TE's. I'm in with that.
Cutty, I am giving a DV only because EW should be demoted to O-Line Coach, no OC attached.
Count that as not one of the reasons we DV around here.
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
Playcalling is not the only offensive issue - that should be obvious. And one of those issues is QB play. That should also be obvious.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
JT (and Cardale) regressed under Beck. If he's not calling plays, his primary job is QB development.
Imo it's due to JT's regression, that's why there is a call for Becks job. Yeah play calling and bad Oline play has played a part in his regression but Beck was his position coach so how much of his poor coaching was tha cause? Remember Beck coached Martinez at Nebraska and he played well below his potential! Had he maybe had a better positions coach maybe he'd of faired better?
Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~ Woody Hayes
I think most people realize this and just do not care. It is a convenient excuse to call for his head. The real reason people want him gone is that besides recruiting, he is dead weight. And we have recruiting locked up for 3/4 years to come. Warriner is not dead weight, he is a damn good positions coach, the best at his position in fact. So even if he is the shitty play caller, I like most, prefer to blame it on Beck, get him the hell out, move warriner back to line and get kevin wilson in here, a real OC.
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Good point. It's gonna be fun watching all the Beck haters, who are also Herman worshipers, try to figure out which guy they're confused about. Is Beck, the bane of many on here and the reason for OSU's inept offense in their mind, really as bad as they think, or is Tom Herman, the guy who gets all the credit for the 2014 offense, really as good as they think... because if Herman is the super genius, hot shot offensive guru they insist he is, and Beck is the worthless ruiner of JT Barrett, and the destroyer of Urban Meyer's offense, that they think he is, then how can they rationalize Herman, their hero, hiring Beck, their heel? Maybe they're wrong about one of these guys? I mean, if Beck sucks as bad as they think he does, then why in holy hell would Mensa Tom, the smartest guy in football, hire him??? I like Tom Herman, and I agree he deserves much of the credit for the title team's outstanding offense... but Beck probably isn't the horrible, waste of one of the nine staff positions that many on here think he is. Maybe Urban Meyer himself, along with Ed Warinner, Greg Studrawa and Zach Smith, had as much to do with the offense underachieving as Tim Beck did... just maybe.
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Agreed, this was my thinking as well. Maybe its NOT Beck as far as the play calling, its been Warriner all a long. Why in the world world Herman Hire Beck? Well recruiting, and maybe just maybe Herman knows Beck wasnt responsible for the playcalling here at at OSU and Herman knows Beck will do a great job with running his offense. Puzzling for sure, but Barrett regressed under Beck, plain and simple.
Yaaaaa. And maybe not.
I don't believe it takes a stretch in correlational theory to put the blame on the one position coach, who's seen his unit's play regress statistically the last two years during his tenure...
Yes, I see the points ave., yes, I saw the ground game #'s, but he doesn't coach the OL or TB, nor does he make the schedule or level of competition.
Beck's track record is miserable with QB's while at NEB, his passing offenses have been ave. to fair at best.
Oh- and he shared responsibilities for OC also, that has been miserable during his tenure.
So WHO the hell else are you supposed to blame outside of Ed & Urbs. OH- I forgot, Urban doesn't call the plays does he?!
SO, in summary, it's either Ed or Beck that shit the bed, or simply likely both. SO, Beck is out & Ed will likely be back coaching OL, or will be "co" coord. again like Luke, except he'll bring in a real OC to coach the pos., and Ed will get to have the "co" title and save face.
Sometimes dude..... it really is as simple as it seems.
My thoughts are: A time bomb is sent to Texas (maybe by UM) such that we can get Herman back in 2-3 years when it explodes on schedule! Hallelujah!
Of course Beck's body of work at Nebraska doesn't exactly support your position.
Couple it with the QB regression since Herman left I'm sure we are all okay with this. Glad it happened quickly and we can start new right now.
Earle for MOD in 16', it'll be the last best thing to ever happen to him.
Warner was play calling.HE needs to go.
I might be mis quoting but was cooper say if u have two qbs then u don't have one. Something to that effect. I feel same way about coordinating. I think u need an alpha dog calling the shots without talking to someone else first or trying to get on same page. I often thought that was reason play clock always got so low. Offense always seemed scrabbled
Herman was sitting a few rows down from me at the Fiesta Bowl. He saw what I saw. How interesting...even after the in person scouting.
It's definitely puzzling!
It says something about the commentariat on here.........
Not sure why Herman would want him but the Texas boards are not happy
Grounds for a MENSA card revocation?
"Year for what?"
Tom Herman is a mensa member?
They can't revoke your card when you are the founder!
I get the feeling that Beck is on the same page with Herman in terms of philosophy and such. Remember, the last time this offense showed any creativity was against Virginia Tech last year. Then the QB shitshow began and it has been downhill since then. Beck had control in that VT game.
I'd say we played well offensively against Michigan and ND to end the year.
Notre Dame was better, but the Michigan game was horribly unbalanced. VT was still the best performance of the season
They played well against meat chicken last year but all they did was run option over and over and over was a good job as meat chicken could not stop it. However schematically nothing great.
If you can't figure this out please kill yourself. .....Tom Herman belongs to mensa
I, and Im sure many others are wondering the exact same thing. Why, if Beck is so unimpressive would Herman want him ? Seemingly without hesitation.
It certainly makes one think that maybe Beck isnt really the problem. More and more I think the greater problem lies with Meyer. Im not sure what, how, or why, but it seems very few of our guys want to stick around. This is true of both the coaches and the players. It seems like folks are bolting quite often. I realise some are taking HC Jobs, But I just sense some things that make me think there is some underlying problems. Especially when former players come out and openly criticize the play calling. The realities are that Urban Meyer is the guy that approves every single play, every one. So we can blame the OC, but its really Meyer that is deciding what plays we run. Blaming anyone else is just scapegoating. We have seen this over and over. With Hoke at UM and also Kelly at ND. Fact is the buck stops with Meyer, and its Meyer that needs to change.
Theire is only one truth...
The realities are that Urban Meyer is the guy that approves every single play, every one. So we can blame the OC, but its really Meyer that is deciding what plays we run.
He is not "approving" every play. He listens to the offensive radio and will veto plays. Urban is NOT a playcaller. Never has been, never will be. This is exactly what happened at UF. Dan Mullen left and his offense went to shit. He comes here, gets a great OC, offense rolls up points. That OC leaves, the offense dives again.
Mark May, is that you?
Not sure why Herman would want him but the Texas boards are not happy. Either way it was time for something new at Ohio State.
Did you read the article?
The sources said during Beck's two years at Ohio State, when he was brought in by Urban Meyer as Herman's successor, Beck was never put in charge of the offense by Meyer the way Herman was from 2012-14.
It kind of looks like everyone has been complaining about the wrong guy. I find it ironic that the Herman would want such a terrible coach as his OC. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anyone ever heard the saying " don't cut your nose off in spite of your face"? So if Herman wasn't in charge who do you want gone next?
So if Herman Beck wasn't in charge who do you want gone next?
The last line above should read,
* So if Beck wasn't in charge, who do you want gone next?
It kind of looks like everyone has been complaining about the wrong guy.
My chief problem with Beck is his ineffectiveness as a QB Coach
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Running Texas' offense, in name only.
Look at you - nice
That might actually be accurate in the end
Focusing on Penn State !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
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Thank god. Texas fans I'm sorry.
Is he gone? Quick, someone change the locks.
Just set the combination to "R-u-n W-e-b-e-r" or "D-e-e-p-B-a-l-l". He never could figure those things out.
I love fans selective memories. Did you see the 2 fumbles and key dropped pass on third down? But to you, the answer MUST be more carries.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Zeke lost as fumbles in the first three games of last year as Weber did all this season.
I can't remember what I said earlier. /s
I saw the fumbles. How does a feature back only have 5 carries? If you don't have confidence in your running back to bit fumble, start someone else. A run to pass team has to run first.
I didn't see any evidence that there was any effort to hand the ball to Weber. We focused on getting the ball to Curtis Samuel. That is the main problem. The offense never tried to distribute the ball to all weapons, but rather focused on one. It made us even less than 1-dimensional. The play callers were so lost the entire game.
It's a celebration.
Does this hurt with any of the Texas kids?
"I've had smarter people around me all my life, but I haven't run into one yet that can outwork me. And if they can't outwork you, then smarts aren't going to do them much good." - Woody Hayes
I seriously doubt it this year but our days of stealing great players from Texas are probably over for the most part.
Yea, I was hoping they would find him some kind of control position that allowed him to practically live down there recruiting for us.
Yeah I think a massive wall is about to get built fast.
Yep. If Herman is half as good as most of us think, Texas will be walling off the home state fast, starting with the 2018 class.
If you're committing to an assistant coach you're screwing up.
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One Down - Beck was a mistake from the jump
How many more moves are left? - I'll go with 2 more
Seems like a win-win for OSU and Beck. Good luck Coach Beck.
I agree. Something about the tri-OC play calling game planning coaching between Beck, Warnier and Meyer just wasn't working. They very VERY rarely were seeing the same things either in film or live. If the three coaches were delivering three different messages how in the world could the players be in the same page? Best of luck Coach Beck.
When two or more people are in charge, no one is in charge.
Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72
When two or more people are in charge, no one is in charge.
I told my ex-wife that for seven years! I don't tell my second one that.
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I'll walk into a bar and drink fifteen pints of beer
It'll be interesting to see how Texas plays on offense under Beck.
I think a lot of the quarterback coaching will fall on Herman, but Beck is going to be the sole playcaller.
This had to just be a play for Herman to make in-roads with some of the guys beck was recruiting on behalf of Ohio state. Either way, if he is running the show down there, I have no idea what it was that made Herman think this was a good option.
i would love to see Meyer pull someone from the pro ranks like he did with schiano
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Very few NFL OCs run an Urban Meyer offense. I can actually think of none. Some of them sprinkle in some read-option here and there with athletic QBs but that's a little different.
... I can think of a (almost former) head coach in the NFL, specifically in the Bay Area, that could run this offense.
That's the QB that Tom is after. I don't have any proof yet but Jones fits the mold for what Tom wants in a QB.
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
Yeah, this is very true, but I think it will be OK. We all know Urban fosters very detailed, and involved relationships with the top recruits and makes it a point to be involved. I think Jones ends up a Buckeye.
Let's hope. In my opinion, he's a better for for what we're trying to do at Ohio State offensively than Tate Martell...as crazy as that may sound. Landing him would be huge.
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Happy days are here again!
"SOURCES" that doesnt mean anything
600k for 2015-2016? Nothing personal, strictly business. Best wishes
haha, that is great
He left without anyone really getting their pound of flesh. Good for him.
In my mind I have never left Mug Night...
Let's get Ed down to the line and get an OC in the booth!!
Chip Brown also had Herman taking the job at LSU. I'll believe it when I see it.
Good point, Chip Brown is all over the place.
Good luck coach Beck, you were a great recruiter for Ohio State.
Thank God, and Greyhound he is gone.........this is how the thinning of the herd starts. Go Bucks
Friends and co-workers were baffled why i was happy about that loss
THIS IS WHY
Boooya. Later man..
has been shitty at Nebraska now osu.. texas next
"To The House"
At Texas, I am sure that he will be a changed man. Whole new Tim Beck. ;-) (###SShhhhhhh. I am not sure the ink is dry on the new contract. Don't talk bad about Coach Beck until everything is official.)
Not sticking up for Beck and glad he's moved on but I'm sure that Herman and Meyer had a long conversation about Beck, I would think if Beck was such a bad coach Meyer would have recommended Herman look elsewhere. Now waiting for the other shoe to drop (Warriner).
I'm not sticking up for Beck, either. There is little doubt he was at least part of the problem. But I've thought all along he was getting too much of the blame from the fans - especially, when it came to play-calling.
If he had been that far off the reservation verses what Meyer and Warinner wanted, that wouldn't have lasted two games - let alone two years -
Agree, and Herman must see a lot of value in what Beck brings to the table in recruiting, offensive philosophy alignment, and play calling. Does this mean Meyer didn't use Beck in the right way, or does it mean Meyer knows something that Herman hasn't figured out yet?
This. Beck was nothing more than a glorified spotter this year, imho. He received a disproportionate amount of the blame, but when you make $ 600K, sometimes that happens. I hope things work out well for him. We'll know this time next year how things panned out for everyone involved.
Beck lost the play calling duties for a reason.
See MSU game 2015.
That was Warriner, beck only called the Jet Tempo in 2015 and we never saw that against MSU or at all this year. This is what I have been saying all season. FIRE EW NOW!!!!!!!!
I agree. Also, it's not as if Beck has been "coaching" JT to throw wildly innacuarate passes while telegraphing where it's going before hand. Ami right?
Interesting. We respect Herman and he hires this bum. Maybe Herman knows something we don't know
Maybe Herman knows something we don't know
Why do we act like we know who is a good coach and who isn't? I think this is hilarious because this entire board has been shitting on Beck for two years and it's becoming obvious that he wasn't the biggest problem.
and before him it was Fickell
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Damnit, it wasn't "fire fickell", it was put him at LB coach where he belongs, or bring someone else in that knows what the fuck their doing on defense.... Which Urbs did, and we got a lot better for it, on both occasions.
This is no different.
I seem to recall that the Fire Fickell threads were numerous back in the day (2013) - they were calling for his head - not to just put him as LB coach - which I think he already was. Withers left for JMU, they brought in Ash and the secondary greatly improved.
Whatever UFM does, I hope he stays away from the co-positions.
All the people who want to remind us how Fickell "worked out" conveniently forget Ash and Schiano.
Football coaching is the embodiment of the Peter Principle - coaches are good at a particular thing so they get promoted to something that they aren't good at.
This is why strong programs should never hire an HC just b/c they really liked what he did as a coordinator at his previous job. The HCs job is win games as leader of the program, not amp the offense or defense.
Well, I sure find your comments interesting. If your going to spout this crap about wr development or not being open I'm going to lose my mind. And it sure as hell aint the OL... since we rushed for top 5 in college. Are you talking about the kicker?
Maybe it's Ed, but BECK coaches the QB, and JT has been terrible for the most part outside of fucking cupcakes.... That is HIS job, and HIS job only.... There is no defending his QB coaching at Neb which was nonexistent or where he made ave. look bad... And here at OSU where he turned really good into bad as well...
Where do you get your information from? Nebraska has beaten OSU once since they joined and TIm Beck was the O Coorinator. We had a huge lead and Taylor Martinez led them to 28 unanswered points. That was one of the best offenses Nebraska has had since Tommy Frazier. I Think NEbraska fans gave beck tons of crap because the offense went from the option to pro style and overall Nebraska was struggling, so Beck took all of the blame. OSU fans should be smarter than that.
Ah jesus Christ. Your going to use 1/2 of ball, when our starting QB left the game.... and we were running Bauserman out there again? Isn't that the game?
Martinez & Nebraska's passing offense NEVER likely made it pass the 89th best in the country....
Ya, that "amazing" passing game at Nebraska......
Said no one ever.
This guy is on to something, Martinez & Nebraska's passing offense NEVER likely made it pass the 89th best in the country....
Play calling aside, Beck was the QB coach and as you witnessed, JT Barret regressed when he should have got better. The coaching staff failed JT.
At least, you're good at cussin'.
My point exactly. I think you take my comment out of context. The point was to show that we don't know what we think we always do lol
But arc the same time I saw some open receivers Saturday, and all year and jt doesn't even throw the ball. How much of that is beck and how much of that is jt? Maybe jt isn't comfortable. Maybe a lot of things. I won't pretend like I know the answer but I hope someone does and fixes it
It seems logical to me that Beck was not the answer. The QB coach changed from Herman to Beck in 2015. Both QBs played like crap in 2015 with receivers and a RB who are now in the NFL, and the remaining QB got even worse in 2016. It would be different if that same QB hadn't broken records and been 5th in Heisman voting as a freshman. But instead of improving with age he steadily worsened. Couple that with the fact that Taylor Martinez also regressed at Nebraska and that Nebraska fans were not upset to see him leave there.
After a QB has put a seasons worth of tendencies on film it's not uncommon for his productivity to drop - unless he's an above average passer. I've seen this play out countless times at both the college and pro levels.
True, but Cardale was aweful last year and lost the position. He only produced three games of film from the prior year and struggled against the four nonconference opponents. And he had receivers who could separate.
Then Barrett came back and wasn't much better. Something was not right in that qb room.
There is a real fine line between the people hiding on the message boards saying "fire someone", and the hillbillies that email a student athlete.
Even this sites writers were asking for "upgrades" (cool dudes)
Urban has to share some of this blame too. This is his team.
I have been saying for the last couple of months some of the blame needs to fall on the untouchable Meyer. He needs to put away his pride and admit his hirings didn't work and fire or demote them. This is why Nick Saban is a way better head coach. I have seen him chew out coaches on the sidelines for stupid stuff. He isn't afraid to admit he made a mistake and then fix it. Meyer on the other hand won't admit a mistake and defends them.
If he wasn't part of the problem, Urban probably would have tried a little harder to keep him here. Doesn't seem like there was any resistance from the OSU camp.
I didn't see him purple faced on the sideline yelling "run the ball" into his headset.
Bottom line is our team wasn't ready for that game, and that can't all be blamed on Tim Beck.
Right, well I did say "part of the problem," no?
Some would argue this has been an issue since last years Hawaii game. Don't think that's all on Beck. Urbans part of the problem may have been trying to hammer a square peg in a round hole for two seasons.
We threw a quarterback riding a hot streak out there, and then flip flopped mid season so not a lot of continuity there. Also, this has all showed flashes of working but we had a phenomenal running game and less line turnover last year to cover up the issues.
Its a mix of not developing talent and not adapting to changes in personnel. Time for a call of action from the head man to fix this, and for us not to just start Fickelling
I'm sure the guy knows a lot more, but the other thing is that Herman isn't Meyer and the utexas organizational structure is being built from start. Herman is younger and is likely (and willing) to rely much less on delegating control (regardless of any 'keys' talk)--and he also of course has need of staff with recruiting source and skills.
This is why I don't get things. The issue I had the most problems with was play calling. I still have no idea if the QB development was bad or not. Hartline said that Haskins was the real deal, which means that as a QB, he's developed well. People seem to like Burrows when they saw him. So was this Beck failing or JT just not improving with other issues at the same time? Also other top level QBs still wanted to come here, I'd imagine not the case if Beck was truly bad? And now Herman is taking him at his program in Texas(Some argue for recruiting value? Its Texas, they don't need a subpar/mediocre QB coach to recruit with Herman at the helm.)... Honestly not entirely sold Beck is the biggest issue we had. We will see though, I am super happy my job is not to correct this stuff.
BA, my guess is that the Beck move would be the the first step for Meyer to address the offense's deficits and confusions, which he created and is directly responsible--there's no getting around that. My question is, how long will the remedy take to implement--will he, or does he, have to wait through another season to make additional changes. The next focal point imo should be change that remedies the O-line. I don't think he can wait on that, at all.
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Awesome news this morning!
This solves half the problem. It's a good start but Warriner is no OC either.
Makes me laugh, all the people saying Beck can' hold Herman's jock strapp now he's got the keys to his offense.
I love it. I love it so much. All these armchair QBs around these parts will never admit they're wrong.
Maybe we wait and see how Beck performs at Texas before we admit we're wrong?
I wonder if one of his duties will be to ACTUALLY hold his jock strap.
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YES YES YES , Thank you Tom Herman . JT & Cardale both regressed when Beck joined staff & his play calling has never been where it needs to be . This is a huge off-season win.
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I think Beck got them in the door and Urban finished it off. It'll also help when Ohio State has another one or two or three DBs drafted in the first round.
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After reading the article is tough to think all the problems were only Beck but it was time for a change.
But everyone saying the QB development was lacking shouldn't blame Beck for the last two years. Car sale admitted trying too hard instead of playing loose in fear of losing the starting job and then Barrett admitted the same. Barrett thrived under Herman yes, the offensive playcalling helped and the tutelage of Herman of course.
Burrow looks pretty good and apparently Haskins is he truth. Let's hope Ryan Day can recruit number 1 and obviously coach.
Tom Herman really was the answer to our offense's problems, huh? #HireTim
And Toledo still sucks.
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Wow, it looks like folks really HAVE been refreshing their browser every 15 mins waiting for some kind of news. Best of luck, coach.
The 11w servers right now:
Best of luck to coach Beck. imho, Beck will prob be helpful going to a program that has a brilliant offensive mind instituting philosophy, as well as most x's and o's. Which is what we still do not have.
I'm not sure who from the Pro ranks we would want running our offense, other than Chip Kelly. NFL offense OSU is not. I want speed. Of course, I don't follow the pro game closely.
I really think Kevin Wilson from Indiana may be the guy.
Kelly, although this is probably a huge long shot.
Donnie Kirkpatrick - OC at James Madison
Phil Longo - OC at Sam Houston State
Those last two guys are long shots, but they run offenses that are similar in nature to OSU and have been in the top 5 in overall offense the last 2 years in FCS
Please no on Helfrich, Oregon's offense fell apart under him. I would love to see a Chip Kelly hire though. I am not sure if Chip would take an OC job. Chip to take over as OC and Helfrich for QBs only would work. They turned Marriota in a Heisman winner.
I want nothing to do with Kelly. His philosophy that it is his system and not the talent of the players that creates success is crap. There is also the fact that the tempo he creates leaves your defense on the field for almost 2/3 of the game which ultimately wears them out. He is also arrogant to a fault and unwilling to change. Do you not remember how good that system worked in 2014? Nope, not for me.
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I really think Beck will thrive down there. I don't know how strong of a QB coach he is, but I think if he's given full play calling duties, he'll do a good job there. Now it's time for Warriner to be moved back to OL coach or move on. At this point, we may as well have a clean break on offense. I like Smith and Alford at their positions. I don't think this will happen this year, but I look for Meyer to increase Smith's role at some point and make room for his son-in-law. Just a hunch. Got to keep that grandson close to Columbus.
With the way our receivers have played, I vote no on Smith.
There is no such thing as "friendly fire"..
Doesn't matter how good your WRs are if you can't get them the ball...
Can't approve of nepotism.... or (not saying this necessarily happened) hiring somebody because their grandpa is your mentor. We need the best coaches and staff at tOSU.
I wish Coach Beck good luck.
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This is good news. Good luck mr Beck, but the door will be locked as soon as you walk out. I feel that the change needed runs deeper than just a coordinator or two. I love JT and will never forget what he has done for this University, but I believe Urban needs to open up the QB competition and Mr Haskins or Mr Burrow or Mr Martell will bring a clean slate an new energy to OSU's offense. This JT situation will be a hard one to handle because everyone in buckeye nation respects the crap out of the guy, I just believe it is time for this offense to move in a totally different direction and not look back. I could be horribly wrong. In any case, Beck is the first domino and at least things look to be headed in the right direction.
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If JT returns he is your starter without a doubt. I get what you're saying, but the offense as a whole has been down since Herman left. You don't bench a 5th year captain.
I don't disagree with you, but weather or not JT is benched or nudged to transfer is deff not out of the realm of possibility. I love JT, but I'm not sure he would even make an NFL roster as a free agent. He needs another year, I don't think anyone including Urban himself knows right now how this will play out. Time will tell.
you bench any player if it is in the best interest of the team. nothing wrong with competition. open it up and let the best qb win. jt would have a leg up due to his past experience, but there should be no "locked in" positions. Pete Carroll used to do this every year. if you want to start/play, compete and earn it. jt may be better off competing for the job anyway. he will be looking over his shoulder all year if the job is his without question. we all know how that works out. if he wins the completion in camp, he is the man. if not, he should be a big enough leader to accept it and do whatever is necessary to help the team.
Let's see what a competent QB coach can do with JT this spring before we write him off. I firmly believe good coaching will get him squared away.
When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.
Does anyone think JT will transfer to Texas? Didn't Herman or JT say they talk about once a week? Could this be why Herman wanted Beck? Just trying to make sense of everything!
The reality is our offense has suffered greatly since Herman left. Beck and Ed are who they are ( recruiters and position coaches) not OC's.
Bring in a true OC and quit wasting the talent we've got. As of now, we've got top 2-3 talent in the nation and we are the only team to get shut out in a bowl game.
Looking at Warriner's resume, I cant help noticing that he has made moves 2-3 times to OC, and then back to position coach. I think he might just be more suited to it. No shame in that, and we all know he can coach up an o-line, with the job he did from 2012-2014. Even 2015, when we had a clear identity for the final two games of the season, the line was dominant.
Good luck to Tim Beck at UT. I think our issues are larger than just one person, especially when we had co-offensive coordinators.
and our head coach is an offensive genius
This doesnt fix the play calling problem. Im guessing Day will be announced as QB coach and then a new OC will be announced after that. Birm said this has been in the works for weeks. Hopefully whoever the new co-OC is will get control of the offense.
I approve of anyone being hired with the last name, Day.
Bye bye, Tim. I know it wasn't all your fault the offense struggled so mightily. However, the steps our QBs have taken were in the wrong direction under your tutelage. Good day, sir.
I'm very puzzled by Herman bringing him in. If the above is true and Ed has been calling the plays, I wonder how much of JT's regression had to do with Beck? Obviously a decent amount I would suspect, but the playcalling didn't help.
Just so many incohesive parts to the offense. I feel at times we were trying to build a puzzle with pieces from 3 different sets between the OL, QB, and WRs. I hope we can bring in a staff that can integrate with one another.
Also- What's everyone's thoughts on coach Stud? I know we were very disappointed when we didn't hire him immediately upon Urban's arrival. He then eventually parted ways with LSU and in his first year here, it's somewhat hard to grade him. Three new starters on the line is a big task to undertake and I thought at times we showed flashes of greatness. At other times, we looked lost. A lot of that falls on Prince and I honestly feel bad for the kid for how much he has been ripped on. Hoping another year with Stud helps him out because the athleticism is there and I remember he was one of the first in his class to lose his black stripe. How much of Prince's problems fall on coach Stud?
Sorry for rambling but I'm finally decompressing from that game. I feel bad for the kids, they were put in a really tough situation due to the playcalling and I just hope we can bring in a staff that better develops our players on the offensive side of the ball. The talent is there, that's for certain.
Good luck to coach Beck in the future
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This news has made my day. Seriously.
I really don't understand the comments saying we will never get a good recruit out of Texas again. Why is that exactly? I'm sure Beck is a fine recruiter but so are many others. I would put Coombs in charge of Texas going forward.
Coombs' focus has been the Cincinnati area due to his relationships with high school coaches in the area, and he is doing a great job. We can't lose that by sending him to another state where he has little to no relationships.
Scout had a article yesterday saying Warinner was going to Texas. If Warinner was calling the plays this year then he needs to be demoted immediately.
RIP Tom Hermans career.
2014-2017. We hardly knew ye.
Beck was Warinner's hire as they worked together at Kansas. I'm sure he lobbied Meyer for him. I'd like to see Wilson as QB/co-OC and Warinner keeping his current title, but play calling belonging to Wilson.
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I'd be on board with that. Just keep Wilson on a "two-feet from player contact" restraining order.
I'm sure Meyer will vet this. Don't forget, Schiano came with baggage, too. At OSU, the doctors have final say. Think back to the Auburn DB with the ACL tear. Unless Wilson did something as egregious, as Hoke with Sugar Shane, I'm OK with him.
Is there a coach alive who hasn't asked a player, "Are you hurt or injured?" Luke Fickell played the Rose Bowl with a torn pectoral muscle. Does that make Cooper a bad coach? I think Wilson fell victim to new-age standards. He won't have that issue at OSU as the doctors have total control.
We are Ohio State we hire former NFL head coaches to coordinate one side of the ball. We can do a lot better, we deserve a lot better.
I didn't need another reason for Herman to be my most beloved non-OSU coach, but I'll take it. Thanks, Tom!
Urban owes Herman big time.
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ALL the assumptions yet so little time. I myself was surprised to see the article mention that Beck didn't call the plays. The back-n-forth definitely explains the lack of cohesiveness seen on the field. I think the false positive was the scUM game and Fiesta Bowl last year. Had we lost those two maybe we would have had some changes, most likely not. The offensive struggles are really related to a multitude of facts: 1. Youth 2. Coaching 3. Play calling. At least we maybe eliminated one variable. I wish him well. I hope that he was not a scapegoat because it sure makes it sound like that. He and Herman will work well together.
Whether it's more Warriner or Beck that's to blame, and whether the regression at QBis about play-calling or receivers or other concerns, Beck is paid to be the guy on the hook for it. Also, from the moment I read that quote the other day where he said something like "we really have to work on finding our offensive identity one of these days," I wanted him gone.
What stood out to me in the article is Herman is going to come up with the identity and plan, and hand it to him to execute. Sounds to me like Herman is hiring him to be a game manager, not to innovate and create.
Well, we got what we wanted. Time for a new chapter. Ryan Day, come on down.
I never gave the Beck to Texas rumors much thought the past week, but now that it's happening I can't help but to think another huge program would jump at the chance to get him. His recruiting the Texas state must be even better than I thought. Herman wouldn't give him such a huge responsibility if he didn't think he was the best man for the job. Good luck with that, we'll see how it turns out.
Ryan Day, come on down
I don't think Herman would hire Beck as OC just based on his recruiting prowess. Perhaps Herman believes that Beck is a good OC who was put in a no-win situation by Meyer. Also, it is interesting to see that Herman is not a fan of co-OC dynamics. He lived it when he was at OSU and he watched this clunker (OSU offense) from a distance in 2015 and 2016. With Meyer involved in play calling, it's practically a co-co-OC situation at OSU. Maybe Meyer should consider having one OC.
good move for coach Beck, congrats...
16-2 is SWEET!
Still is only half the problem. Warriner needs to be addressed ASAP. Go coach o line or leave.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
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The co-OC's thing was a terrible idea to begin with and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that Warriner is more to blame than Beck. But that doesn't change the fact that QB play regressed horribly with Beck as the lead coach in that regard.
I'm happy to be rid of the guy but I really don't understand the move.
It's a good lateral move for him and good luck and Happy New Year to him and family.
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It is only the first move. Warriner as the play caller/OC is a disaster. Beck made zero progress with the QBs..
All Beck brought ever to the table was an awesome head of hair.
I hope Warriner is next to go and then JT heads elsewhere. Need a fresh start
how is this thread different than the Beck to Texas one.
By not being a thread at all.
ok how is this different than the Beck to Texas post or what ever the hell you want to call.
It's a staff article.
Probably a good move, but Warner is an issue too. The guy is a very good line coach but has not shown much otherwise so far. Beck has not helped the QBs develop so far and that is an issue. And the guy that looked pretty good as a freshman throwing the ball has regressed a fair bit each year. Something needed to be done about that.
Have to see if there are any other changes. I am not sure if that many coaches are needed to be OC either. Seems like one guy at the job streamlines the system and it is easier to hold one guy accountable for game plan etc.
Yeah the shame in firing Warrinner is that he really is an amazing line coach. I like Studwara, but coach Ed looks like the better coach. In a perfect world Stud gets sent to another area and Warrinner takes over the line. Maybe stud could coach tight ends?? Would love to see Kevin Wilson or Helfrich as next OC.
Insider ED Warriner is gone also they both were fired but Urban Meyer didn't want to make it public.
Would be glorious
you hearing anything about Chip Kelley? I am hearing strong rumors about him.
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I think Ed should go back to the OL. That seems to be his wheel house AND we cannot argue the results he got: road grading through the 2014 playoffs.
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Not surprised Beck is out. Surprised tho he has a new job so soon already (OC at Texas). 1) to already have a job lined up, he must have been working on this for awhile. 2) Tom Herman surely would have chatted with Urban Meyer about Beck before hiring him... Meyer must have gave him a glowing review, because Herman wouldn't hire someone that Meyer frowns upon, right?
I don't get it... Beck continues to fall upward. First with Nebraska. Then with Ohio State. Now with Texas. What has this guy ever done to warrant these lofty positions?!
I was wondering why Herman was taking so much time finding his coordinator. This has probably been in the works for a while. I hope its not part of the reason the Clemson game plan was so awful . If Warriner winds up in Texas too I have to wonder if this skunking was by design. Meyer seemed as surprised as anyone by what was being done on the field and why the plays were being called they way they were being called.
Deserves got nothin' to do with it
I'm no college football coaching genius but it seems like the other guy (Warinner) needs a demotion too. I'm not clear on why this debacle has been laid at Beck's feet alone. I'm not a big fan of "co" coaching. One Head Coach. One Defensive Coordinator. One Offensive Coordinator. And one quarterback. Two of anything never works...
It's not just Beck ..... it's time for a top to bottom coaching overhaul.
Unless warinner goes this means nothing
This is what I would like to see on the offensive side:
Studrawa ---> TE coach
Warinner ---> OL coach
New hire ---> OC and QB whisperer
New hire ---> WR coach
Alford ---> RB coach
Wilson ---> Analyst
Meyer ---> Less involved in play calling; let the OC take ownership
Was always vague on his roll in the offense. Why have two OCs if you have to do the job yourself? I know he was the end man to approve of something or not but he was not making most of the calls.
I tend to agree with this.
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Make Wilson the OC, he is very very good. If you look at what he did at Oklahoma as OC with that talent its very impressive. His offense at Okc was wicked good. We do ourselves no favors having him in any other role
Good lineup, Rizzoni, tho I'd make Wilson the OC. Having him as an "analyst" is just bureaucratic baggage. And I'm not sure whether Meyer has the wherewithal to show Zach Smith the door, given his familial connection to Urban's mentor, Earle Bruce.
Whatever sifts through for 2017, I sure hope that the current paradigm of what appeared to be a troika of Offensive play-callers is consigned to the dust bin of Buckeye football history. It was a failed experiment, and hopefully UFM will have realized the clumsiness of that arrangement and find trust in an OC to deploy his playbook without second-guessing.
D.J. should have written this article, he's more familiar with the underlying mechanisms because it switched, Back is good now, actually, yeah?
I never actually understood the Beck hate, giving Warriner a pass. After the 2015 MSU loss, everyone wanted to #fireBeck and nothing on that sentiment changed since then, but...why did Warriner not get the scorn? Beck got the blame from me that day, but I felt like an outlier in that sentiment.
Disdain for Beck has always been justified...but it's always been because of his inability to develop JT, not an inability to call a coherent game. And that doesn't switch with this Texas hire. And it's good enough reason to not want him here. So I don't get why some here think 'it switched.' It didn't, he's just not good at the other thing.
Don't be lyin to me now! This report better be right!
Urban in my opinion should take most of the blame, I mean with that kind of talent it's very unacceptable to play the way they been playing on offense.
Let's start from scratch with an entire new coaching staff - that should cement the relationships we've built with all of our recruits ....
Everyone needs to take a deep breath and let the dust settle before wading in to make the necessary changes in either staff or scheme (or both) .... Offensively, we looked like world beaters against the weaker teams, but struggled against good defenses, so defensively we were kept in a ton of games thanks to our high scoring defense ..... The issue is on the offensive side of the game and I have no doubt that Urban is on a mission to fix this mess .... I also believe that JT will have to earn his position all over again in the Spring, as these young gunslingers waiting in the wings will test the incumbent. Should be an interesting off season .....
Whoa..I nearly choked on my coffee when I saw this just now. And this better be effing right.
Okay Urban..get the checkbook out and hire any of the following when Beck leaves for effing good
Chip Kelly..Mark Helfrich..Mike McCoy.
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My main concern is why has J.T. regressed over the last two years... is it on JT or was it on coach Beck messing with his mechanics and his mind? The play calling comes and goes with execution and had JT been on target with his throws and the receivers not continually dropped passes - would things have been better? Zach Smith has some hand in this as does the offensive line! I think we need to scrap the co-coordinator action and have one voice at the helm.
Either way, I am glad Beck is gone - I've never been all that enthusiastic about his hire but now I'm completely baffled as to why Herman has hired him... should be an interesting few weeks!!!
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It's not so much that JT's regressed than our Oline being pretty bad.
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Go back and watch some of that (and other recent) game video. JT is tentative and has lost his touch on both short and long passes. He doesn't know when to pass or when to run anymore. His accuracy is down, and his throws are rarely in the best place for the receiver to make a play on the ball.
If Warriner was in charge of the offensive game plan and play calling, he needs to be gone as well.
Ideally it would be--
OL Warriner or Stud..prefer Warriner but not sure he takes the demotion
WR Smith on a very short leash
WR Smith on a very short leash
This should include Smith getting rid of social media.
Is Nick Siciliano still coaching QBs? Maybe we could get him.
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Does anybody know what the deal is with Kevin Wilson ?? Did OSU hire him ?? I would love to see him as OC. He has turned Indy, who was another Rutgers into a respectable team. But far more importantly when he was the OC at Oklahoma their offense was wicked, wicked, wicked.
Hope all the Buckeye faithful don't start thinking all our problems are solved!! Beck might not have been the best choice but he was far from the culprit of our passing woes!! It goes much deeper than that! It all starts with the head coach so Meyer must begin a process where we have a total offense and not some jr.hi game plan!!
While we all watched the games the last several days we now can firmly agree that we don't have any semblance of what some of these teams do on offense! PSU and USC are prime examples of what can be done if you get players in the right spots. I'm TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT PASS PROTECTION, IT'S IMPORTANT BUT THERE ARE OFFENSIVE PLAYS THAT OFFSET A HARD RUSH....WE DON'T HAVE THOSE PLAYS!!!
2017 goal should be to get our offense into this year as quickly as possible! JT has to get the ball off quicker and the receivers need to retooled on running better patterns and make plays like other great receivers do!
Hope all the Buckeye faithful don't start thinking all our problems are solved!! Beck might not have been the best choice but he was far from the culprit of our passing woes!! It goes much deeper than that! It all starts with the head coach so Meyer must begin a process where we have a total offense and not some jr.hi game plan!!
There is plenty of blame to go around. Agreed that it wasn't all on Beck.
Tom Herman just shot himself in the foot before he even started at Texas.
Thank you Tom for taking that garbage off of the Buckeye's plate!
THERE ARE OFFENSIVE PLAYS THAT OFFSET A HARD RUSH....WE DON'T HAVE THOSE PLAYS!!!
You mean like the draw play Clemson ran on 3rd and 24 from about the 12? Or a true screen pass?
I totally agree with you. I have been calling for a simple screen all year. smh............
Now send Warriner back to OL Coach, Stud to TE or Quality Control postion and fire Zach Smith and replace.
On a more serious note, anybody know what size Beck is and what he's doing with all his Buckeye gear?
Beck gone is a good thing for US and for HIM as well. This has been a problem of the "co-OC" BS. If Beck is the QB coach and understands his QB and what hes seeing on the field and he's coaching him a certain way- then who better to call the plays???
Instead- Meyer allows Warriner to call the plays- and apparently the duties have switched around multiple times. No wonder the offense has been inconsistent. It has been frustrating for everyone involved including Beck, Warriner and JT as well as Meyer and all of the fans.
Beck has apparently been unhappy with the situation and had contact with Tom Herman and got what he wanted--> an OC position without a "co-OC" to muddy the waters. I am sure Warriner let out a sigh of relief as well.
There's only two really simple solutions now that Beck has removed himself from this debacle...
#1 (and what I hope happens)-> Pay Ed his same salary and let him coach OL and retain his title since whats done is done (as stupid as it is)--> Bring in a QB coach/OC to run the offense and have the PLAY CALLING duties.
#2 Leave Ed as the ONLY OC and bring in a true QB coach. Meyer sits down with Ed all offseason and molds him into a good play-caller based upon his vision for the offense. Give him the "you've got this year to prove you can do it" speech and do not hesitate to take over playcalling duties during the season if it isn't happening.
This, my friends, is the fault of Urban Meyer. He is the CEO of this team and his decisions for "co" coordinators switching up play-calling duties etc has muddied the waters and confused the masses resulting in the inconsistencies we've seen over the last two years.
problem is when teams steal your co-ordinators frequently, hence the need for "Co" Urban doesn't have the time to constantly train new guys
I honestly feel bad for Beck. Even though JT regressed, you can't solely put that on him. Yes his throwing motion is him but the play calling wasn't him (even though we thought it was), the offensive line wasn't him, and neither were the WRs. Beck took it like a man when it came to everyone calling for his head and he took most of the flack when it really wasn't him. Ed needs to go. Either back to OL or out. Strud is fine to stay another year. You guys may forget that out OL was weak to begin with. Pridgeon was going to be where prince was but got hurt. I mean we had to start Jordan bc the depth wasn't good at all. You can't blame strud for that. And with no passing game, it's awfully hard to block anyone when they are blitzing or bringing extra guy or the receivers don't get open. Which they never do. I mean that group needs to run scrambling drills every single day in practice (the WRs that is).
re: Pridgeon... OSU's O line should not be dependent upon a JUCO transfer. I am not looking at the recruiting stats when I say this, but I'd love to see us recruit more bigs and not 25 different WR/athletes each year. Percy Harvin is not out there.
Change is good. And finding out you're not as good as you thought you were is good in the long run. See you at the spring game!
Don't forget Warriner was a candidate for the WKU head coaching job in December - I think he sees the writing on the wall and is looking around. Meyer may be holding off making an announcement until Warriner lands somewhere. Also just saw that an Indiana source Crimson Quarry says Kevin Wilson is our new OC.
Don't think Barrett will be heading off to Texas to play for Hermann any time soon.
Rumor is Kevin Wilson to replace Beck. Still 3 OL coaches now. One more will leave maybe?
I won't get into the coaching aspect other than saying finally. On a recruiting note, Texas is gonna dry up for us quickly with both Herman and Beck recruiting for Texas.
That may be but Herman went on to bigger things, Beck? He recruited well but did shit with the people he recruited.
You forgot to offer Ed Warriner a job too. Please do so immediately so that the Bucks can get an OC that can use elite talent. JT would make a good grad assistant coach by the way.
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If true, it will be interesting to see how Texas's QBs perform for the next couple of years.
Apparently Kevin Wilson will be his replacement. This is starting to make the rounds now, hopefully he can recruit. http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2017/1/3/14089492/kevin-wilson-to-be-named-...
I would be pysched if this is true.......dude put up points on everyone in the B1G for his whole time in IN.
I would like to know what the deal was with his dismissal at IU but I am confident in our AD to make sure we arent taking on a posion pill.
I Hate Michigan.
Their AD said"philosophical differences", others said mistreatment of players. I assume Urban wouldn't hire him if he had done something terrible though. He's a definite upgrade over Beck IMO from a coaching standpoint, the main question left is can be recruit, and if so what does he bring to the table geographically? Beck was an ace recruiting Texas, so that will come into play.
Beck was an ace recruiting Texas, so that will come into play.
It is possible that with Herman taking the reigns in Austin, Meyer may have felt that Beck wasnt going to as much of a recruiting asset as he has been since it is likely that the sizzle Herman is bringing to Tejas is going to off-set what Beck was doing down there.
I can t say for certain but IU has seemed to have some decent skill position players the last few years. At this point I would gladly sacrifice a little in the recruiting department if we experience a gain in the development department.
This blaming Beck for all of our problems on O is ridiculous. This fan base really needs to get a grip. There were clearly problems with the play calling and all of us knew it during the 2015 season. These were not corrected in 2016. It may have been chemistry, egos, lack of support, or a million other things, but the system wasn't working. I refuse to believe it was Beck or Warriner alone - haven't you been in a job where it just didn't work for reasons outside your control? So bottom line is that none of these guys are terrible. Sadly, it falls on Meyer - he is the HC and he should have seen the issues. Good luck coach Beck - sometimes things don't work out.
Sadly, it falls on Meyer - he is the HC and he should have seen the issues. Good luck coach Beck - sometimes things don't work out.
It does, he did, and he isnt standing pat. Play calling is one thing, QB development is another.
With Beck as the QB coach, than the progression or lack thereof from JT alone is enough to get to get Beck a one way ticket as far away from this QB room as possible. Anyone who thinks that entrusting the future QB talent of the program to Tim Beck is a GOOD idea needs to get a grip. (with all due respect Sam).
Beck isnt the whole problem, that much is true, but Urbs mad changes last season and still didnt work with the Beck/Warriner duo....so it has to go.
Neil, I don't disagree with your points. I was only trying to say that there were problems with the play calling for awhile and HM never got it totally fixed. I do think it was a combination of things including Beck / Warriner play calling - but its not fair to dump it on one guy. Having said this, I wasn't suggesting that I would want Beck to stay.
I hear ya Sam....I hope you picked up that I felt the problem was deeper than Beck as well.
Good luck to Tim and Tom. I don't agree that this locks down Texas recruiting. It makes things tougher, but new connections and relationships will emerge. Recruits will see what the Texas players have done at OSU and that will help in keeping the doors open. Agree that he was part of the issue, but not all. You can't have 3 cooks in the kitchen working on the same pot of goulash...
36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3"
All my Beck'ses live in Texas.
Dont be surprised when Barrett goes to Texas as a graduate senior. Makes to much sense.
I'll believe that one when I see it.
Condolences to Texas fans. We can only wish you well, and hope that your promising Freshman QB coming off a pretty good year doesn't follow the Beck path to not-so-greatness
Lost faith in the offensive staff after Zeke gets single digit carries last year at Mich. St.
Has anyone heard Chip Kelly being in Columbus today? Had 3 text messages from people saying this. Just wondered if anyone else heard the same.
A solid stretch the field TE is something that has been missing from the offense this season.
rted Kevin Wilson joining OSU
I think it's funny hearing everyone say (on other sites not here) that JT is leaving with Beck. LMFAO!!!!!!!!! I bet with the new "young" Qb coach and Wilson's eventual hiring, JT improves from what we have seen the last 2 years. Bets anyone??? ;)
It is time!!!!!
604k for that? I want a refund.
You covered that out of your own pocket?
I feel like I was taken advantage of either way
ZERO POINTS. I didn't see a team that was over-matched from a talent perspective - I saw a team that maybe wasn't completely prepared with a plan to give them a fighting chance. Plenty of blame to go around and at a school that expects to COMPETE for National Championships - a 31-0 domination proves the current pieces are not fitting. Obviously the line has had its well-documented issues, the play-calling has been suspect, the QB has regressed - but lets not forget the WR crew. Nothing even resembling a deep threat is a direct result of recruiting and player development. The threat of a deep ball opens up a lot of other options and takes some of the pressure off of the line, QB and running game.
Sure, its easy for us to have all the answers on the 11W forum - I'm not saying it was all on Tim Beck because the ultimate responsibility falls to Urban. Is he not responsible for what his coaches are doing & not doing? That being said, I still have faith in Urban to learn from the mistakes and get the right people in place to recruit and develop these young men to their full potential. This is just the first of a few moves (my guess) as Urban makes the necessary changes.
The wheel here doesn't need re-invented, the offense needs some fresh perspective (ala what Greg Schiano, and Chris Ash before him brought to the D).
"Give the ball to Granville"
That's upsetting that Beck is getting a lateral move that he doesn't deserve. I feel bad for the Longhorns.
God help them if they let him anywhere near Buechele.
Welcome to Texas Tim. Here's your shovel, Bevo's over there. Now get to work.
It's what we asked for, myself maybe the loudest. Now all we can do is wait. Time and change will surely show.
Interesting that Herman wants Beck as his O-coordinator. Even Herman realizes there isn't anyone near as good as himself out there. Herman wants Beck for his recruiting prowess. Herman will be calling the plays.
Let me say congratulations and best wishes to Mr. Beck.
It certainly didn't work out here ... and try as I might I can't get the image of Bart Simpson "at least you tried" out of my head.
Oh Happy Day!
I'm sure Tim Beck is a nice guy and a good man. Just wasn't a good QB coach for us. Or Nebraska. Especially us. Looking forward to 2017.
"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland
" ... poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and a king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything ..." - The Boss
I wish Coach Beck well. The Fiesta Bowl was certainly a disaster for all Buckeyes but there's no need to pin that all on Coach Beck or to take cheap shots at a man who is by all accounts a good man, made a tough decision that appears to be a win-win for all concerned, and did a heck of a job on the recruiting trail for the Buckeyes. I'm grateful for all of that. Go Bucks!
I thought Herman was Mensa. Doesn't he read 11W?