You are done smelling your own farts I see.
Fields of Dreams
Never. I sure do love smelling farts.
Public restrooms are the best.
Wow. You are one weird dude.
Fire every offensive coach
That is all I can add
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
Burn them all.
Kevin Wilson for OC. That is all.
Or Chip Kelly..if he is getting fired from the Niners after the game tomorrow.
"Just remember one thing. I can do your job, but you can't do mine." - Woody Hayes to an OSU professor
Great idea thanks Nappy
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
I got 99 problems, a football game ain't one.
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I respectfully disagree......this game was one giant problem
^ best post ever ^
Yep. And, how you let if impact your life is up to you, bro.
What about people with kids, careers, and sick family members who spend all damn day on here playing grab ass? Do they get factored in on the actual football game and life effectiveness?
Wordness to the turdness
WOW.....Huh is right 3M. What and where did that come from?
"...there is still a significant separation.”
What was that? Who knows.
Where did it come from? Straight Outta Groveport
Any changes that do not result in the firing or demotion of some combination of Beck, Warriner and Smith mean that we've just seen the end of the golden years. I thought the squandering of last year's team and its ridiculous talent was an anomaly. It was not. This staff is inept and incompetent and have no goddamn right to collect a paycheck from this university ever again after that embarrassment.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
Can't disagree with any of this.
seriously? I'd fire Beck, Warriner and Smith shouldn't be included as they've delivered at high levels in the past.
Beck was bad at Nebraska, bad at Ohio State.
Warriner is the OC who calls the plays. He needs either demoted back to oline coach (wow was Stud uninspiring - 4 competent linemen on this team) or gone. Star ratings for recruits don't mean spit when nothing is being developed on offense.
"Great moments are born from great opportunities." - Herb Brooks
Great point LouFOSU. How many timeouts were squandered this season due to tardiness in play calling? At least two tonight. So, at least 20 for the season. Offensive line was thin in numbers and competency. Development of young lineman virtually nonexistent. Our run game was imaginary, JT throws late and scared. Receivers dropped at least 4 tonight.
We need Warriner on the sideline, a competent play caller who can see two to three plays ahead.Stop messing around with this staff if we cannot get them to develop players.
Finally, why not more Binjimen Victor tonight?
I will say that discovering a streak route 5 minutes into the 4th quarter should be grounds for an asschewing.
Amen to that.
Fighting off Buckeye haters wherever I go.
Hmmm, you may be right...
It's better to have loved and lost , then never to have loved at all!
Lose by 1? Sure.
Get embarrassed on national television? Nope.
Ronda Rousey put up more of a fight
Ronda Rousey put up more of a fight
You just showed your complete lack of intelligence.
Ronda Rousey got a few punches in.
We didn't do shit.
SCPO, USN (ret)
Utter and complete embarrassment.
Painful to watch.. glad I was already drinkiglng heavy tonight.. stay safe friends..
Stay safe and we all still Buckeyes. Beck is hopefully gone and Studs has underwhelmed me his whole career from a player development stand point. EW had us looking dominant at the end of the seasons he was o line coach
Fire urban and refuse another year of JT. Team sucks ass
What, me vent?
Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege.
Tyrion: A wedding.
I done with College football this day forward till next fall..IDK about rest of bowls games.. Its Hockey Season this point forward.. but tonight need to DRINK.. to forget this crappy ending to a Season , I just want to PUKE
That we kept Beck and Warriner after last year still is a joke. Anyone with a pulse could have seen they were awful. Not surprising in the least. Helfrich or Chip for OC please
Anyone that didn't wear the buckeye tinted glasses all season isn't too surprised......burrow next year please.....and, ummmm....anyone else calling plays
I honestly just thought that JT would lead enough to muster 1 damn point... The fact he couldn't get a single point on the board for us, just, yeah, I'll take a kid from grade school making calls from madden next year or something, jesus. I was expecting a fight, not 2006v2.
Well having a kicker would have helped that too
What I ment was...by "too surprised" anyone who has watched our offense for the last 2 years should have expected a poor showing, even I expected a couple points but either way what we saw tonight resembles what we have seen for a couple years now and it got exposed like a ticking time bomb, eventually it was going to catch up to us
But hey, the Blue Jackets won.
they'll choke in the playoffs, just like every other team from Ohio
You mean like the Cavs?
Or the windians?
What is wrong with you?
I hope Watson gets picked by the browns so he can have a terrible NFL career.
At least he'll have an NFL career.
JT Barrett won't even get a call from an NFL team lmao
I didn't say Barrett would. I just don't respect Watson his receiver make him not the other way.
The difference between JT this year and his first year are playmakers at WR and the coaching staff.
Watson is incredibly clutch and has all the tools needed to be a starter in the NFL.
He will not be a bust, there are many teams in the NFL that need quarterbacks and it's hard to argue that Watson will not be an upgrade.
I used to defend JT, saying that if Kessler had a job in the NFL that JT would as well...at least Kessler throws the ball away and is accurate.
If Watson goes to a team with great wideouts he'll be good.
They don't even need to be great, they just need to be serviceable. Watson has great ball placement
He's a turnover machine he'll get destroyed in the NFL.
Just as I said we're gonna get blown out, just as I said Clemson is better than Michigan, just as I said that Weber will not do shit in the game.
I'm going with Watson costing Clemson the win next week.
And I agree that they are better than Michigan, a lot of teams are. Weber was taken out of the game by the play calling which I believe led to his fumbles. You can't go half the game without being hit as a RB.
If Watson loses the game, it won't be because of Watson. It'll be because Johnathan Allen has eaten him alive
Allen will showcase more talent by himself than our entire team showcased tonight.
For a supposed fan, you sure do enjoy when we lose.
When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.
If Urban can't get rid of these fucking loser offensive coaches, then fuck him. So much talent on this team, to get embarrassed in this way is not acceptable.
I hope JT leaves. I don't know where he'll go, because I'm not sure who else would have him. But, I want to see what the young guys could do under new offensive coaches.
Where is all of this talent on offense? Recruitimg rankings don't mean anything when it comes to the show. Certainly not the starting WRs McClaren, Dixon, Noah Brown (Hype train with 1 game impact) Campbell, Baugh, Wilson, etc etc. The freshman show a lot more promise but they have really done nothing either. Samuel is the only real playmaker. JT can't throw people open so it's a perfect storm.
Now for all the softies to bring out the poor straving children in africa comments.... how we should spend time thinking about our military and elders..... how its just a game.
FUCK THAT!!! THIS WAS A GOD DAMN EMBARRASSMENT AND THE ENTIRE NATION IS LAUGHING AT OHIO STATE RIGHT NOW.
Yep. Can the clowns who caused this.
It's just a game.
Now for all the softies to bring out the poor straving children in africa comments..
That comment had nothing to do with poor straving children in africa, and everything to do with filthy mouth gutter dwellers like you, cleaning up your disgusting language, for the simple fact there are young children who read this blog.
FUCK THAT!!! THIS WAS A GOD DAMN EMBARRASSMENT AND THE ENTIRE NATION IS LAUGHING AT OHIO STATE RIGHT NOW.
Take a little pride in yourself and try cleaning it up a little.
You can have pride in yourself and still swear, get over yourself.
I don't mind the profanity, I just want to know what straving is.
You can write all the scripts for people you want, it doesn't mean they're going to take direction.
I think it's firing repeated rounds at no real target in particular just hoping you'll hit something but I may be confusing it with a word that has an F in it.
Starving children. Just now realized my goof. Thanks lol.
I just want to know what straving is.
Don't ask me. I never wrote that, he came up with that on his own. He apparently has been doing his share of drinking.
Just because it was embarrassing, that doesn't mean that we should lose our minds, act like fools, and try to cut off the head to cure the headache.
No one is saying be happy, but don't let it consume you.
Happy New Year
Good lord,man. I'm pissed as hell and I hate people telling me "it's just a game", et all, but you lost me with the rest of your inane babble.
Im sure you have a toddler playing near the top of a set of stairs you might want to attend to.
What? This makes no sense. And no, I don't. Was that an insult? Good job, I guess?
It was a sarcastic jab that flew over your head bub. Not an insult at all. Was trying to lighten the atmosphere but I guess time needs to pass we are all a little off our game.
Lol fair enough. I'm definitely not feeling so hot right now. The joke flew right over my head and my toddler's too.
" I'm pissed as hell and I hate people telling me "it's just a game", "
I agree with you on both of these things, so I don't see what the problem is.
61-6 over five years with a championship trophy. How many teams can say they have that? I won't wait. The blowout sucks but it's a young team that played their asses off this season and made another playoff over 100+ teams. Clemson fans can talk shit. Anyone else? What have they done? End of story. We took an L and will come back stronger next year. 61-6.
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If these coaches aren't fired I have little hope for next season. Clemson lit a fire under our ass last time we lost to them. Let's see if it happens again.
Best comment of the night. :)
Edit: Woops, was meant for the one just above - my bad
"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."
Does anyone know when the game starts?
Let the Hadkins era begin!!!
Need Wilson or Chip Kelly on the staff badly.
If this defense had a chance of bringing people back it would be better next season than the defense with Bosa last year and have more for sure first rounders What a waste
I agree... and might I add that we should try to find a kicker who can make a field goal on a consistent basis
That was one of the best Ohio State defenses we will ever see.
This years defense was a good, complete defense. But... I will caulk it up to being New Years for you to make the "...one of best ever" statement. 100% agree with you on the recruiter vs. COACH statement though, right on!
Pathetic offensive performance all around. The gameplan was terrible - abandon one of the few things the offense is good at, and continue running the swing pass that averages -4 yards. The execution was terrible - JT was wildly inaccurate even when receivers were open, Durbin continued his weird miss woes, Weber decided to cough it up in the few opportunities he got, pass blocking continued to be terrible.
The defense was great. Nothing you can do to overcome being on the field constantly.
But the truth is, the world is so much stranger than that. So much darker. And so much madder. And so much better. -Dr. Who, "Love and Monsters"
I cant stand these beat writers out there saying "oh look at the positives and we can get better going forward" shut the hell up. I thank you all on these forums for actually criticizing the real issues that occurred during this game and why its unacceptable for a performance like this to happen
Beat writers should serve us better, that's true. Granted, they have limited access to the amateur team. But the unwavering positivity is dishonest.
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
I get that its not a professional team so its hard to be outright critical of players but these coaches are getting paid a significant amount of taxpayer money to win games. You can't have a performance like this and not write a single article about how terrible the gameplan was across the board. It's absolutely dishonest youre totally right
Where was Dontre Wilson?
Why was Baugh so ineffective?
Those two should have been part of success. That seemed obvious. How did the staff fail on that?
Dontre Wilson is overrated and Baugh is heartless. I've never seen someone come out of the game so many times "injured."
OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!
You are 100% correct. I saw Baugh come out over that play and I'm not sure the defender even touched him. And Wilson is incredibly overrated
I watched him a lot tonight and he did absolutely nothing. He runs half speed and looks to avoid contact at all costs. At least Alexander looks to mix things up a bit.
Be careful, folks. If you complain, there's at least three or four people who will chide you about it being "just a game" or not having your priorities in line. You aren't allowed to be upset or express your opinions!
what are you a fake fan? god damned skunk weeasel!
Urban's salary is over $6 million. He should repay it after he apologizes for this crap performance.
The Buckeyes had a great and surprising season, considering their youth and the coaching shuffle in the off-season.
Yes, it was a very disappointing loss to the the Clemson Tigers. Woody and Braxton will not be avenged.
But, Lord grant me another year and season of watching- once more- my beloved Buckeyes play the game of American football.
Go Bucks. And better luck next year!
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
Back your team through thick or thin!
That was worse than 06. At least we didn't get blanked back then.
Nothing to really vent about, we suck. 0-31. There ya go...
Im not gonna say anything other than there are gonna be some flaming hot takes in this thread...
"I've had smarter people around me all my life, but I haven't run into one yet that can outwork me. And if they can't outwork you, then smarts aren't going to do them much good." - Woody Hayes
Yep, and most will probably be justified.
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QB's first and formost quality is to be able to throw both short & deep balls. JT is an athelete playing QB, he is not a QB. It gets exposed in big games when they don't respect your arm and crowd the line. A real QB makes the offense work and also make coaches look good. I want a real QB playing the position - not the one whose main qualification is that he is a good leader. Enogh of that crap
Going on another month long osu sebatacle. If I come back to Tim Beck as the OC in February the blame is on me for watching these games next fall and expecting any other outcome. Happy new year!
It's not the end of the world. Urban will make the necessary changes and the team will be stronger because of this.
Better days are ahead
I hope you're right. I honestly don't know. I never thought I'd see an Urban Meyer coached team look that bad.
Onwards to 2017.
I hate the offseason.
I was skeptical about the outcome, but oh my I did not see see this coming. I don't think anyone did... I agree with your humble take - change is needed. I fully expect Meyer to make the appropriate changes.
It may be tough for some at this point, but Happy New Years, everyone. Cheers.
FUCK EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING FOR ALL OF ETERNITY. FIRE EVERYONE. NUKE THE FUCKING SHOE. URBAN MEYER IS A CHEERLEADER WHO RECRUITS AND DOESN'T KNOW XS AND OS.
OK I feel better. Now to drink myself into oblivion and do something I will regret in the morning. Happy New Year y'all.
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Most teams actually use their RECEIVERS in a game. Wtf!
Zac Smith could not develop my dog
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
He didn't say his dog was Bud!
There's talent in that WR room, OLD and young!
Fire back and stud immediately
Haskins, Burrow, and Martell. One of those last names will be on the back of the jersey of the Ohio State QB who wins the NC next year.
It's mind boggling to think we had a month to prepare for this game offensively.
are you a fake fan?
Zip it fart-smeller.
"Sport can create hope where once there was only despair. It is more powerful than government in breaking down racial barriers." - Nelson Mandela
Comment of the day. Agree.
Fire Meyer and bring in Pelini.
good god nooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
" ... poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and a king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything ..." - The Boss
Oh yay, another Nebraska reject. Just what we need!
Outside of OC which position coach sucks the most: Stud or Smith?
At least Stud doesn't talk shit on Twitter like he's actually good at his job
As much as I would love to have chip Kelly, no way he is going to be an offensive coordinator. Helfrich if he is still available would be key, or Wilson. No more recommendations from the current staff, go and get someone with some imagination on offense and can develop our qbs, wrs, tightends and offensive linemen. I feel horrible for the players and this is on the staff for coming up with this game plan with more than a month's time
I have two favorite college teams
1. The Ohio State
2. And anyone that's playing Michigan
Definitely an under-the-radar guy, but I like Phil Longo at Sam Houston State
Sorry, you must of missed the Sam Houston massacre by James Madison. The cops are still investigating the crime scene.
Yeah but they scored at least
Last time we brought in a guy from Iowa State & a lot of folks were like, "who". He worked out pretty well. In my opinion you look at everyone that has shown 2+ years of running a quality offense.
A friend of my son's is attending Ashland Univ (between Columbus & Cleveland). We attended a game & their offense gets up & down the field. Pretty balanced run/pass, as I recall.
Guys name is Tom Stacy. That's REALLY under the radar ;)
It's a simple reality: the offense has been broken since Herman left. We won't win a title again until it is fixed. To do that we have to go out and hire new coordinators on offense. Can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results.
Regarding JT: If he leaves that would probably be best so we can have a clean start with a new offense. We need a clean slate.
Urban is awesome and will make the necessary changes. Tonight is embarrassing but Urban will fix this. Believe it.
To which part?
Nick Saban is playing a true freshman at QB.Yet Urban thinks that's below him.Obvious results be damned.Good coaches go to the bullpen if need be.Last 2 games Burrow was in he went 12-15 w/no pix.Hell try Haskins but no Urban erroneously tried to prove a point.I'm not talking about just tonite either.Didn't Einstein say the definition of idiocy is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.SMDH
Regarding JT: If he leaves that would probably be best so we can have a clean start with a new offense. We need a clean slate.
JT more-or-less said at the press conference thkat he would be staying, and I can understand the emotion that is making him say that. But I had similar thoughts about JT, and I was thinking that Urban might be wanting to turn on page. Might get interesting.
I just hope Tom Herman is kind enough to take both Beck as OC and JT as grad transfer qb. This is the most embarrassing loss since losing to scUM in '93. At least in '06 I could say the team was overrated and SEC talent was overwhelming. The talent was evenly matched tonight; the coaching was atrocious.
O.......sorry. Just can't do it right now.
Yes, that was awful, but many of us didn't expect to make the playoff. Absolutely the offensive staff needs overhauled.
Hire the Western Michigan OC immediately. That'd be a good start.
They wouldn't let me go for 3.
We have no problem being creative. Problem is what we do doesn't work. When was the last time we ran the ball down hill? we don't even do basic shit. We are so concerned with throwing the ball to Samuel behind the line of scrimmage that we forgot how to run power. There has been a complete abandonment of basic down hill runs that use to be a staple of OSU's offense.
"Mongo only sausage in bowl of soup"
We exceeded expectations. I am so happy we didn't loose to Michigan all their fans can talk shit tonight but at least that happened. That still doesn't negate the 21+ plus sacks given up to UM, PSU, and Clemson especially when you had some returning seniors on the line. JT took a step back but the lack of development with wide receivers is a total head scratcher to me. Change is needed. We need to look for coordinators who are developing offensive lines and QBs. We need to get back to a north and south offense. I think back to 2014 and most of the running game was through the middle. I really feel the future is bright with players like Dwayne Haskins, Tate Martell, and Emory Jones and this 17 class but we need more from Urban's offensive staff it HAS to happen
Guess those Nebraska fans that warned us about Beck were right.
Well, at least I got to watch my favorite team play in a really big game...
But, in the spirit of venting:
Sucks that we were bad, it will be even more painful if Bama crushes Clemson.
I would have hated this same score more if it had been against Alabama.
Urban has some thinking to do - clearly some kind of change is needed. Heck even Saban revved up his offense.
Wahoo! Wahoo! Rip, Zip, Bazoo! I Yell. I Yell. For O.S.U.
"Urban has some thinking to do - clearly some kind of change is needed. Heck even Saban revved up his offense."
I don't blame the players. I don't believe it is JT (see 2014). Change at OC/QB coach...& Wariner needs to go back to OL position coach.
Tired of all that zone 6 bullshit
QB 0 tonight!
30-27, that's what I'll remember about this season. Even a shutout in the playoffs won't take The Brooklyn Dagger away.
Posted a forum topic that got mod'd in recruiting, not sure why. But does anyone think tonight's results affect early departures and what impact will it have on the size of the next class
Ohio State > *ichigan
Urban > Hairbaugh
I expect everyone on offense to leave unless they get a new OC ASAP
Hope Clemson reloads the weapons and beats that bama ass. Also hope this doesn't effect recruiting in a negative way.
Another thought, our defense this year was amazing. We are gonna miss the ones who leave on that side of the ball immensely.
How long has that van been there?
I keep flipping between ESPN and BTN trying to find an interview with Urban. Did he speak after the game?
I think he hijacked a plane to Cuba.
Just did a short one on ESPN.
Saw it. Thanks.
He seems to recognize that change is needed. We'll see if he follows through.
Certainly need a new OC but this team this year was awful young. UFM did a great coaching job simply getting them into the playoffs. The difference in the game was the offensive assistant staffs. Clemson had one and OSU did not. OSU defense got hung out to dry...
However, this is going to leave a VERY BAD taste going into the off season and I'm predicting right NOW that OSU wins the national title in '17. If this team is not angry for the next 8 months, I have no idea what would motivate them.
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
I will summarize every rant for your reading convenience.
Person A (Denial): The game was like a lucid dream. How could Urban Meyer, with a month to prepare a team, have a team be so outmatched and outclassed? Clemson might be a more experienced team but talent wise there is no way they are 31 points better than us. We just didn't come ready to play for some reason.
Person B (Anger): I've had it up to here with this offensive coaching staff. Our play calling is straight out of the 1930s. Actually it probably wouldn't have been any more innovative or successful if it were tried back then. If Tim Beck was my son's pop warner coach, I would pack up my belongings and leave town so that my 10 year-old's progress as a football player would not become permanently stunted. And don't give me that Urban Meyer is 61-6 at Ohio State. Big whoop. He is responsible for this trave-sham-mockery that we all witnessed today. He hired the coordinators. He is responsible for the final product. I'm not saying to fire him, but if he decided to take another HC job I would be just fine with that. If Urban has any pride or honor, he would give half of his salary back to the university. Beck and Warriner on the other should be happy to get out of Columbus alive, let alone hang on to their jobs. Sadly, JT has regressed at a remarkable rate. He should transfer to Ohio University, but I'm not even sure he would start there. He holds the ball like a child clutching onto his blanket. On the few occasions when he actually does get a pass off, his release is so slow that even if a player is open it is usually underthrown or overthrown. I wouldn't be surprised if every one of our recruits de-committed after this embarrassment.
Person C (Bargaining): If only we had fired Beck last year. He has ruined two great offenses. I have no doubt if Herman was our coordinator last year, we repeat as national champions. Also, we may not have won the game but it sure would have been nice if we actually handed the ball off to the RB a few times. I know Weber fumbled twice, but whenever we just ran the ball up the middle we seemed to have success.
Person D (Depression): What a terrible way to end the season. Getting pounded like that really kills our momentum heading into next season. Even if we are undefeated next year, the committee won't put us into the playoff. And deservedly so. It's sad that a team with this much offensive talent and highly ranked recruits can't even score a single point. Pitt, yes PITT, put up over 40 points on this defense. The Big10 was highly overrated and we didn't even deserve to make the playoffs in hindsight. Penn State should have made it over us. At least it would have saved us from this national embarrassment.
Person E (Acceptance): We started the season with THE YOUNGEST team in all of the Power 5 conferences. We beat Michigan (again), beat Oklahoma (on the road), and made the playoffs. We just happened to run into a more talented and experienced team tonight. We just got to dust ourselves off and move on. The future is bright. We will continue to improve and correct our mistakes. Look out next year, as we return almost all of our key players! Sure this game was tough to stomach, but big picture our program is still destined for great success in the next few years. Go Bucks!
LOL. Good one, IABS.
And consider me Person E.
Hell, hire the sarcastic guy as a consultant. At least he can see reality.
Want to play this game, sure.
Calling it right now, OU runs the train on OSU next year if the same offensive staff is in place.
Man I cant stand reading the fire meyer shit on this site. This dude is top 2 head coach in CFB 11-2 this year, lost 6 games in 5 years with a title in the first playoff ever, never lost to that piece of shit team up north , recruits like a mad man and you still want his job because he lost against #2 Clemson with the youngest team in power 5. How entitled can you be with that mentality? It's disgusting and it borders the insanity that wolverine fans display on a daily basis. I'm fucking grateful for this team and head coach and shit on all you turds talking this nonsense. Could be worse, could have a booger eating head coach that lost to his brother in the super bowl and has been the brides maid his whole football related career. Fuck Michigan for life and go bucks cant wait til next year u chump ass Yankees. Suck an Ohio nut sack.
Urban Meyer is a very good college football coach. One of the best of his generation.
There's a lot that's fucked up about Ohio State football right now though. That's on Urban Meyer.
Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0
Not a lot. Lost a lot of talent last and replaced with 1st year freshman/sophomores, went 11-2, beat mich, oklahoma, wisky and unfortunately got spanked in the playoff. We all thought 3-4 losses coming in to 2016. Can't have it all, all the time. Great times are ahead, cannot doubt that, losing sucks but it's going to happen inevitably. This was a awesome team that ran in to deshaun Watson and Dabo whom happen to be awesome in their own right and deservedly. Trust me my man, next year is gonna make ur pickle squirt like never before and it's just the beginning my friend.
Agree with you. I don't think there is "a lot" wrong. It actually feels like some shifting of staff & bringing in a new OC (that's just one coaching staff change) could shore things up rather quickly. In the grand scheme of things, that is relatively subtle change.
This is what happens when you make lazy hires...Beck, Stud and now Davis. The only good one he has made recently was Schiano.
Agree. Do you think Saban would make those types of hires? No way; he doesn't do "friends and family"
Saban saw with his own eyes how lousy Studrawa was at LSU and woudn't go near him.
Saban would not hire Don James' grandson as wr coach if said coach was not qualified.
In short, Saban is ruthless and relentless and that's why he nearly wins a title every year.
I agree. That Davis hire scares me. He might be a good guy but his record proves he's not a good DC. If when Schiano leaves if we don't bring in another quality DC it will be bad.
The offensive game plan was awful and I mean awful. We didn't attempt to run the ball. The coaching staff needs a change. With that being said we don't have a chance at winning a championship with JT under center. I've been saying that for 3 years now. I seriously think it's a completely different games if you switch the quarterbacks around even with the shitty play calling.
Happy New Year Nappy!
I just polished off a 20 year old bottle of wine
I'm just going to listen to Jamiroquai and not give a shit about whatever nonsense gets typed
Love it or leave it hosehounds
I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
Jamiroquai is so good, by any chance have you ever heard of Griz? It's a similar style
I have now
Hide the Beckys I'm dancing y'all
Ed Banger records is a great label outta France that has multiple artists of a similar style, be sure to look em up :)
Happy New Year! I had a Jameson but been battling a cold this past week so not getting crazy tonight. In all honesty I'm ready to take some Ny-Quil and go to bed.
Happy New Year! Hope you feel better tomorrow.
May you dream dreams of 5 Consecutive Buckeyes National Championships
Then wake up and witness it happening
Happy new year Dude
PG <3 PG
Happy New Year Fatpants
Anything can happen in Ny-Quil dreams. That stuff's legit.
I took NyQuil two weeks ago and dreamt I was riding a steam locomotive made out of cheese.
Did you eat it?
I should have. i think I just sweated on it.
Losses like that will do harm to a programs reputation. I wouldn't be surprised if recruits start jumping ship after seeing that. I wouldn't wanna play for a team that has Beck and Warriner calling plays.
Thats crazy talk. We recruit ourselves and only 2 programs this year did better then us Bama and Clemson. So yea thats being super paranoid or being something else which is way worse. Recruiting is not or will ever be an issue at tOSU.
I disagree from the standpoint of they know they won't go undefeated no matter where they go. The key here is changes have to be made the right way, timing is everything, and communication from Meyer to recruits is also key.
Could some leave? I suppose so but I personally don't want players here that jump the ship when adversity strikes so we will see if they are truly Buckeyes, or are players that run when adversity strikes.
Listening to his press conference, they told him in the first half 21 of the 27 plays were passes. Asked coach if that was the game plan, he said no. They wanted to be balanced and that was NOT the game plan. He seemed shocked they threw so much. Tells me the offense staff completely panicked. He was adamant that the Buckeyes will get better at the passing game next year. We shall see.
We didn't belong. We proved it on the field tonight. Penn State beat us and won the conference. They should have gone instead of us.
Ah the hidden Psu fan. I commend you on your patience. Lol
For real though. If we were the best team in the Big Ten we would have won it.
When you are a fan of Ohio State and are not used to losses like this, they are all the more painful - that is the price we pay. But I'll take that deal any time I can get it because there are so many more joyous wins.
Urban said it best at the press conference - at Ohio State we are not used to this, and it won't happen again. He said we WILL have a passing game next year. I wouldn't want any other coach - I hope he stays a long time.
And dear God, I'm so glad I'm not a Michigan fan and have to put up with Jim Harbaugh.
Good game and I agree. This sucks but we are lucky to have Urban. Here is the question though: can the passing game turnaround with JT under center? I really don't know.
Urban is a lot of talk. We've heard all year how there's going to be more of a passing game. Maybe if he keeps saying it will magically happen?
I think most of us had questions about OC the past two years. This game was proof we need a change. Wilson seems like the obvious choice. I like Beck as a recruiting Co but OC not so much.
I'm tired of that speculation about JT moving on. The dude pretty much had a whole new receiving corp with no true receivers. Why won't fans simply chalk these up either as recruiting misses or poor coaching and development???
When he had Michael Thomas, Devin Smith, Evan Spencer, and Jalin Marshall, he was hitting guys in stride, completing slant routes in stride, completing deep outs, and when he got the timing down, he was hitting the deep ball with regularity.
I'm sick and tired of so called "fans" shitting on this QB whom you all chanted for when Cardale was stinking it up last season, and who has literally carried this offense this season, because of an inept offensive coaching staff that couldn't script plays if their lives depended on it; have an offensive line coach who couldn't coach his guys up to defend a damn twist and stunt; We've got a bunch of athletes that we don't use in space AT ALL; we've seen what Terry McLaurin, Paris Campbell, Dontre Wilson, etc could do where were all the jet sweeps and screen plays to these guys??? You know the non-obvious guys that Clemson got the ball to who gashed the defense with creativity???
For all this talk about how J.T. regressed - the fact is that this coaching staff regressed on offense across the board. Losing Tom Herman and kicking Warriner up to the box with Beck was a HUGE downgrade, and coach Stud isn't in Warriner's league. I remember when Bama was using twists in '14, and by halftime Warriner corrected that and shut that shit down.
J.T. was on tonight. Balls hit guys in the hands and they were dropping them left and right, killing drives and missing scoring opportunities. If you don't throw downfield with game reps, you're not going to get good at it and you won't get the timing...period. The few times we went downfield we had shots to make plays and it's telling when Binjimen Victor was the only guy making plays.
Between goals and achievement is discipline and consistency. That fire you have inside to do whatever you love is placed there by God. Now go claim it. ~ Denzel Washington
We don't win a championship if JT was the qb. I was saying that back then. He is a leader and a winner but his mechanics, anticipation, and arm talent are all underwhelming.
dont forget to mention long throwing motion that had what like 5 passed knocked down tonight at the line
I stopped reading when you mentioned WRs. JT was ineffective TONIGHT, under, and overthrows. Missed them low, high, inside, and outside. There was separation and he still didn't hit them, not even Samuel!
Personally, I'd like to see what the much maligned receivers could do with a real passing QB, that ain't JT, despite the records.
I don't think most of us are trying to shit on him. He has been a hell of a player and won a ton of games for us. He is a soldier and a plays with a ton of heart. He has meant a lot to the program. It is not inaccurate to say he is a poor passer though. Poor arm strength has always stood out, but this year the inaccuracy has been a problem. No doubt the drops tonight were a massive problem but the Samuel overthrow and a few others were pretty bad. At the end of the day he just isn't a talented thrower, which you have to have if you want to beat a Bama or Clemson.
This being said, the poor offensive coaching is also a massive part of the equation. The drop in production after Herman left is glaring. I can agree with any argument that puts more blame on Beck/Warrinner than JT. The complete lack of creativity is evident. I just think we need a complete restart. Bring in a new OC and QB coach. Let everyone on offense know their position is up for grabs. Bring absolute dedication to an innovative passing offense and stick to it. JT has been wonderful, but a fresh restart with a new QB like Burrow or Haskins could be what this team needs.
Couldn't agree more!
"I was tired of trying to work my way around the back so I just ran him over.” - Joey Bosa
Normally I'd be depressed when this happens to the Buckeyes but my Cowboys are finally looking good again, thanks in part to a Buckeye legend so I'm not quite ready to jump off a cliff yet. If my Boys choke then maybe lol.
We're a wrestling school I don't know you all are complaining about. =)
Happy new year all. I live in South Carolina so go count your blessings as you run 0 Clemson fans the next 9 months.
Fighting the good fight in SEC country. "Our honor defend"
Feels good to see Nappy an old school mod show up and show the fanboys how its actually done. Guy is invisible for months like its supposed to be. Never supposed to have the "help" out actually mingling with the paying customers on a day to day basis. My uncle mentioned him and chief as some of the cooler cats that do things the right way. Shout out to Nappy for starting this thread and being a breath of fresh air when certain people can become suffocating and clingy.
Exactly. .. The F-5 crew has been put on notice. I got my ass reamed this week I'll be damned if I let the guys posing as a proprietor off the hook...
Pimpin ain't easy
What in blue hell are you talking about?
I'm confused too. I'm invisible for months because I'm a terrible, absentee MOD. Not because I'm a good one.
Are you out Pimpin?
I hear that ain't easy.
The fiancee says no
Wise. Pimpin is how fiancées become aggressors.
It aint easy at all FatPants. Especially sitting at a keyboard or with a smart phone stuck in your hand constantly. In that sense...
Pimpin be impossible...
My bad man but that is exactly why you were commended. I guess it was part of the joke. You didnt waste any time wading through tons of trash for this Fiesta payoff. Hey though I bet you got your schooling done or took better care of your family or girlfriend/ fiance/wife and best believe you made out like the fat rat. Some invested far too much for far too long and they are left like. WAT WAT WAT
Someone's gotta keep these fools in line. Pimpin ain't easy but MODing is harder.
Picture a prisoner being forced to do community service and pick up trash on the side of the road at gun point. Months maybe even years later you drive by and that prisoner is out there picking up the trash and dead rodents on his own dime and own time. Still volunteering not getting a paycheck. Couple years later you drive by and the prisoner now feels like he has stake and ownership in this said road. He yells about how fast you drive by and what music you have playing in your car. All this time he could have been focused on other things in life like spouse, children, actual job or career, family. Nope he rules that roadway he volunteers on and to him that is his kingdom. I sweat to God UNCLE if you dont call and make this right I'm going to out ya. And im going to make it a real zinger...
Your account is four months old. How do you know what things were like a couple years ago?
Cincy Thorpe, you seem to know a lot about the site. What other old school MODs do you enjoy?
There are moments when I think herding cats would be easier.
It would certainly be more logical.
I won't hide it that I love JT, but that wasn't a good performance. Not entirely his fault though. The line was horrid again. Hard to ask any qb to play well when they have no time 70% of the time, and the others it is such a surprise that they just don't know what to do. Prince was just as bad as the rest of the year. Mostly chasing his guy all the way back to JT, then he might get a hand on him if he missed the tackle on the qb. Every other play it seemed like 79 would be standing directly next to the tackle that occurred. Elflein was bad both with snaps and blocking, never expected that. Price wasn't any help either. Didn't see too many problems with Jamarco or the LGs but everything is mostly a blur, already trying to forget it.
The wide-outs were bad mostly (didn't say wide receivers because that implies they can catch). Saw some poor efforts on "routes". One in particular was the overthrown ball to C Smith, it was obvious that he was just jogging until he saw the ball thrown his way then he picked it up.
Worst of all was the game "plan". That was what they came up with after a month. How many times do we need to run a play for negative yardage before we think about doing something different? Everyone watching on TV, in the stadium (especially Clemson), or I imagine even listening on the radio could call out the jet sweep from under center. The passes 6 yards behind the LOS were drive killers, yet continually get called. I know Mike was having issues this game, but how many games this season has our RB been completely ignored? Whether it be Weber, or Samuel, or going back to Zeke, there is no excuse. Washington was having worse results than us running the ball, but they at least tried. The D had no threat of a run, they weren't challenged down the field due to no time for route development, so they jump the sideways stuff in the backfield all day.
The Defense played their hearts out, they didn't deserve that from the -ffense. There definitely need to be wholesale changes on the offensive staff. Lets just hope that we have another turnaround like the last time Clemson embarrassed one side of the ball.
Your issue is with the receivers, mine is with JT. You call them wide-outs, I call him a running QB, an average passer, he's more effective running the ball then passing.
Tonight, BOTH the maligned McLaurin as well as Victor were missed on deep balls, where if he simply leads them with the throw, as Watson and others have done this Bowl season, we're talking a catch or a TD (in McLaurin's case).
Like it or not, JT wasn't effective passing tonight. Meyer will most likely speak of issues with everybody else as the cause to JT's performance. Folks will treat his words as the gospel, but I will believe mine own eyes. I was there in person.
Personally, I hope to see a changing of the guard at QB and see what the receivers can do with a passer at the helm. Because if you think Grimes, Linsey, Victor and Mack will make JT a better passer, then I don't know what to tell you!
The last time Ohio State lost to Clemson
What happened the next year
You know it I know it and Deeezzzz Nuts know it!
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Not trying to be a Monday morning QB, but I had an informal prediction contest with my buddies, and thought Ohio State would lose by 20-25. I thought we'd score, though. I thought (maybe) 35-14, for lack of a downfield passing game and (comparative) weakness along the lines. But I certainly thought we'd score. Geesh.
The hard part is seeing some key pieces potentially leave from a team many of us thought would be competitive in 2017. Urban and the players are to be congratulated for sending a record number of players to the draft and STILL making the playoffs. However, this was awful. Just awful.
This isn't worth it. To many head-in-the-sand folks here. You will help keep this program dead for 10 years, just like under Cooper. Same BS excuses. If this game doesn't say major changes, then nothing ever will.
Meyer either makes major changes or leaves; otherwise we will see a slow steady decline until we wonder why we are 0-4 against scUM.
You will help keep this program dead for 10 years, just like under Cooper
Fortunately the people on this site have absolutely no effect on what Urban Meyer does to fix this problem. The silver lining of this beat down is that Urban WILL be fixing it. Can't wait for next year.
Yes because Urban Fucking Meyer has brought nothing but pain and heartaches to The Ohio State? Go fill out another online resume and get a fucking job.
Got one defending my country while you sit on your ass.
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Lol no cuss words and explained i wasnt responding to him? Now we pick and choose which sarcastic reponses we allow here? Uncle go ahead send the group text. You over stepped again big Unk. Matter of fact Unk go ahead and tell bossman JP what ya did so I dont have too...
I hate Saban, but one thing I respect is that Saban doesn't take mediocrity from his staff period... Urban apparently does.. or he's blind..for 2 years, it's CLEARLY a major problem (our offense woes even w/ talent)... and yet, nothing changed for 2 years... even this playoff game (not just any game) w/ 4 wks to prepare, and today's game plan on offense was same BS as any other games against PSU, MSU, TTUN, etc...
total lack of imagination .... that's on coaching.
AND JT's inability to throw.. I mean, for past few games, I wonder how JT is even a QB at this level.... he's horrible... saying the right things is one thing, but JT is a poor passer... HE should NOT be the starting QB at OSU period... past is past... you can keep your QB job just b/c of 2-3 years ago...
in some ways, this game will make everyone at OSU (Gene Smith, Urban)... re-assess our coaching staff, philosophy, etc...
damn.. Saban brings in Kiffin for 2 years and look where they are at.... now Sarkasian next year... that's being bold and wanting to win... who the hell is Beck and the gang... I never heard of these jokesters b4 they got here... why are we bringing in mediocre coaches to OSU?
I just don't get this from Urban...
Saban is clearly a better coach than Meyer. That case is closed
Sadly true now. Had Meyer won it all this year the debate would have been alive and well. Now Meyer may never surpass him. Saban has never lost like this when he had a championship talent team.
A post above said Urban is awesome, well I beg to differ, he wasn't awesome in his preparation for this game. His team took a curb stomping tonight and all he could do was watch it happen. Thirty days to prepare and they got worse, not any better. Urban said on TV just now it won't happen again, it shouldn't have happened to begin with if he had his team prepared to play.
I have the great fortune of being 59 years old. I have seen a lot of OSU my whole life. Buckeye born and bred. I have celebrated great victories and suffered through terrible losses. Those who scream now and tear at their breasts with claws of hate and anger about a dismal performance tonight, get the fuck back into reality. THE least experienced team IN THE ENTIRE FBS (128 out of 128) just made it into the CFP. Yeah, we got humbled in the semi. That is what next year is for. THESE are the new halcyon days of OSU football young turks, embrace them, good and bad. We will be back, again and again. Faith in your coach and faith in your system. If you cannot muster that, I have no time for you, and you deserve none.
Bobbing for french fries.
I agree with you 100%. Most people here have not experienced the national title drought we experienced: 1968 to 2002, and some of the painful national title game loses along the way (e.g. 1976 Rose Bowl).
All year I've had to read fools like you posting things like this. After dismal wins where things are clearly very wrong, telling people "stop complaining we won end of story!!!!!!!" Now after an embarrassment like last night you join a RANT THREAD and tell people "hey guys I'm old, don't rant or I have no time for you." Uh, ok. Yes, its great we made the playoffs, and obviously anyone saying Meyer should be fired (I doubt any of those people are serious) should chill out. But it's perfectly acceptable to recognize and vocalize issues with playcalling and QB performance when its THAT bad.
I'm going to bed. Happy New Year, everybody.
Behold the chunky whoop ass.
Hats off to clemson. Still love this damn team. Buckeye born and bred baby. Still flying my flag high. Here's to next year
You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.
You are a great representative of our fan base. Great post DubJ and I wish I could email you a gift card with the joy in humanity you just brought me.
Appreciate it. At least we did not put on as bad a performance as mariah carey just put on. That was the worst trainwreck ever. WOW!!!
Considering all that happened in this game, I would say the defense played pretty damn good for being on the field for all of three damn quarters. That being said, my hatred for clemson only builds after this game. Having lived in Greenville SC for seven years and experiencing their fans when we lost to them in the orange bowl, they are in my top three for most hated teams. Number one being them followed closely by ttun, and the Florida for losing in the ship to them in two sports a few months apart. Anyways this loss doesn't hurt as bad as i thought it would. The reasoning is because we have a very young team. They will use this schalacking as a motivator for the next couple years as they grow and develop. Also the fact that regardless of who wins the natty (ill be rooting for Bama) they will drop from a top tier team next year with the loss of Watson. So looking at where we are versus where clemson is, we are in a way better situation then they are. Lastly the play calling in this game was atrocious. We all have known that there were issues with playing calling going back to Herman leaving. Well that reality has come to fruition with this game. I have never once doubted Urban until his hire of Tim Beck. Whatever his strength maybe in recruiting , he lacks in all other aspects of coaching. If I were UFM I would be holding a press conference very soon announcing a new offensive coordinator.
Cheers! I'm moving to greenville this summer to be closer to the parents, we can tailgate together!
I don't live there anymore. I live outside of Birmingham Al for the next year until my wife graduates from UAB. Then we are hoping to move to Columbus. A great place to meet Buckeye fans is at Bailey's but it could be fox and hound on Lauren's Rd. The owner is from Cleveland so big ohio backer. Fun times if it still the same owner.
For new years all i want is a competent, consistent oc. Let me know what we have and what i can expect coming into a game. Amen and goodnight
I am not surprised we lost. I am shocked at how badly we lost. I figured Clemson would get their 30. Maybe out D played lights out and we held them to 20 something. Almost did. Shocking our offense couldn't move the ball. But the play that exemplified to me why we lost was that stupid under center jet sweep to Samuel. They have the tape. We have done it every other game practically. Why not add a wrinkle like a fake and a pop pass or run in the other direction? Our offensive coaches lack imagination and are risk averse. It's a shame. We have wasted two title worthy teams in two years.
We make those 2 Fg's and I think it plays out a tad different. Clemson was playing with house money and 2 of their WOW touchdowns were because of that. We wouldnt have won but it would have been 21-17 or something more respectable. They knew and were signaling if we were run or pass. Hard to get a first down when the defense knows what you are doing every play. Somebody sold us up a river.
We played really terrible football. It was UGLY. I hope it's a huge learning experience for this team and for the head coach cause I think some things need to change before next season. Not used to seeing us play this UGLY.
It's player development or we missed on several recruits. I have a hard time believing with so many o-linemen on the roster that we can't find 5 that can play at a high level let alone a few backups also. JT is our Tommy Armstrong. Clemson knew the best way to stop us was to make him throw and they said as much. It will be the same if he comes back. Warrinner needs to return to o-line duties and the rest let go on offense.
offense literally looked like a bunch of guys who showed up 10 minutes before the game and decided to work it out on the fly, Never should happen again
I blame most if this on the officiating. A LOT of missed calls that determined the outcome of this game.
I like JT a lot but I think two and a half seasons with him is enough. He would likely not have been the QB had Miller not been injured by Clemson. Miller plays one or two more years, and then maybe Burrow wins the starting job this year.
As always I just feel bad for the players with that rough loss. Urban said it isnt going to happen again and I believe him. Changes to the staff will definitely be made and I am very much looking forward to them.
I hope all the fuckboys that killed Cardale last season and talked shit about him now know that it wasnt a quarterback problem. The 2 seasons since Tom Herman left have been a horrific waste of talent and it's very sad.
Cardale is gonna get his shot in the NFL I am confident. And he will prove the haters wrong.
I think he can for sure.
He and D Lee were killing the OCs on twitter tonight. Also Philly Brown I saw.
Look how important Ezekiel Elliot actually was to this team and program. Cam Akers could have been that guy. Dobbins is special but us more of a specialty back who lacks the power and size to hold up to 30 carries a game in the B1G. People who loved Akers knew a thing or 2 about us and about football in general.
I had a bad feeling we were in trouble when the ACC was mostly running roughshod over teams this bowl season. And another horrendous bowl season for the BIG. If Penn State gets blown out it's going to be very bad for the BIG.
Ill agree if Wisky loses and Psu doesnt look respectable. Wisky wins big and psu keeps it close the only outlier will be us.
I realise nobody likes to see JT get criticized. He bleeds scarlet and gray, he has been a freaking hero in many games, he is a prue class act and represnts Buckeye nation and OSU like a Boss. We all love him as a person and player. BUT, lets be clear.
JT holds multiple OSU records not because he is a great QB, but because Meyer has allowed our offense to become so narrow that damn near 75% of it is run thru JT as the primary ball carrier. When you look at JT's passing stats they are not that impressive, not at all, and if you look at his stats against the top defenses he has faced it becomes even worse. In every single big game with the exception of OKC, JT has failed to complete passes to wide open recievers unless they are stationary and within 15 yards. He is batted down more than any QB in the big 10, averaging twice a game, that's incredible. He has no ability to anticipate or throw his recievers open. Worse is he is afraid to throw NECESSARY 50/50 balls to give our superior recruits a chance to make a play. This becomes very apparent when you compare his deep ball success to that of the rest of the top ten. Barrets completion percentage on passes over 25yrds is the lowest of every QB on a top ten team. Now maybe the coaches dont let him sling it. But that has to be because of what he fails to display in practice. They (coaches) had no problem letting C.Jones lauch the deep ball. I can litterally say that 80% of JT's 25+ yard passes are underthrown, and when they are not they are overthrown.
I love JT as a player, C.Jones and Braxton too. But none have been at the level of QB that OSU could and ahould have. Urban needs to find a QB who can throw the fucking ball, can hit timing routes, has a fast release and is fearless throwing it deep. I have yet to see even one guy with these traits on a Meyer coached team. Not one.
Last but not least Urban has allowed OSU to settle for second rate offensive coaches. Everytime we have had an opening it has been filled very quickly with someone who isnt a highly accomplished or up and coming superstar. Thay have all been average guys with lots of experience, but nothing remarkable. All the while teams like clemson, bama, michigan, etc... have been adding some of the best assistants money can buy.
Meyer says we will have a passing game next year, well he also said this team had come a long long way since the UM game. So maybe his ability to face the truth is flawed. He isnt facing a new problem. This offense has struggled against good teams in all of Meyers OSU coaching years. So he either just doesnt see it, or isnt willing to be the guy he needs to inorder to get results.
Sure OSU has won many games with Meyer, almost all but a few we were supposed to win. But against great defenses the struggles are the same every single game. When Meyer doesnt have a top notch OC we have an offense that is mediocre at best, 31-0 at clemson worst. We only scored 20 against PSU, 17 against MSU and in regultion only 3 points against Michigan. Thats fucking terrible. The biggest change Urban Meyer needs to make is to stop the denial about his ability to see the problem. Its obvious he doesnt.
Theire is only one truth...
Dude isnt your grandma in hospice right now? How could you possibly take rhis much time complaining about our coaches and team? You are really making life hard on the MODS here. Find a toy to play with. Maybe try a video game? Your hate comes off as a fan of another team under the guise of being objective. Rubix cube? Chew ice?
Your response fails to discredit the facts. And the fact is we just got trashed by a school with a better Head Coach ( based on actual wins and loses) better QB, better Oline, better recievers, and better asst. coaches. Just like the last time we played them. Yet here we are doing the same shit, the same way. When your team is supposed to have better players, supposed to have better coaches, supposed to have better players, supposed to have better resources, I just expect more than the same old ahit everytime we face a elite team. Ao either I need to expect less, or you need to expect more.
Everytime we face an elite team? Man urban has been killing it in big games for half a decade here. Bish please...
Braxton was a problem? If we didn't have the worst defenses in OSU history when he was the QB we win multiple championships. If we had that offense this year with our defense we roll to a championship. Jesus dude what the hell do you expect every QB at OSU to be Aaron Rodgers throwing the football?
I do not expect every QB we have to be able to throw great, I just dont like to see us pin all our hopes of success on one we know cant. We knew this early last year, but at no time did our HC or OC put Burrow in to see what he could do. Even tho he showed he was perfectly capable in the spring game. Not saying it would have worked out. But we didnt even try. We just accepted things as they were.
Look I honestly kind of agree with you about Barrett but I still think your expectations for the QB position are a little too high. First we need new OC's or it isn't going to matter.
Fire all. Fuck this. We expect more because we should. What a joke. I planned better as a coach than this nitemare. I had only 3 losses.
Welcome to the board coach Harbaugh. Im sure the staff will take your advice under serious consideration...
61-6 over 5 years and a championship trophy.
It isnt the 6 losses that's so tragic, its what each specific loss has cost us. They have almost all had a Conference Championship or more at stake.
During the same time line Bama only has one less loss as of tonight, but 3 more Conference Championships and 3 more National Championships.
soon to be 4
During the same timeline Saban was 50-12 with two championships. Why are people skipping and avoiding Sabans first five years at Bama when making a comparison? Urban has outperformed what we thought we were getting.
Should I give Dabo's first five years as a comparison? I'll give a hint, it's much worse.
I'd take 6 extra losses over 6 years if it meant another championship. But yes, Urban has done a great job here, just has made some horrible hires on the offensive side of the ball that hopefully he corrects.
I would take that too but plenty of teams would just be happy to make a bowl game let alone the playoffs. We are living through a great time of Buckeye football and being spoiled. Sit back and enjoy, it only lasts so long.
After the defensive mess in 2013, Meyer blew up that staff. I would hope he will do the same with the offensive mess and staff this time.
Its not the loss, anyone can lose, its the complete failure, its the 31-0 in a playoff game, its losiing everyone of those 6 games the same way for the same reasons.
The first two losses were more about the defense. The last four were about the offense.
Almost like the same complaints from the same guy over and over. My Unk said he is gonns recommend a timeout for you on the next group chat. I hope you take time to gather your thoughts.
Are you talking about you or me ? Look, this is the " complaint " thread. If you want a circle jerk you will need to start a new thread. I promise to not join in.
I know I post insane looking offensive ideas on here from time to time.
i also know I do not have the needed experience in basic fundamentals to correctly perform as an OC at the collegiate level, but dammit, I am extremely creative and there would never be an opponent I faced that would practice and have their players knowing what to expect against me in a big game.
with a salary as large as what OSU pays I would hire my own consultants - mainly rugby based, but some math and programming based to prove that the defense is always at a disadvantage when they don't know what's coming.
i have actually emailed unorthodox plays that I never posted online before to Ohio St coaches currently on staff that I think would easily work 5 or 6 times before someone solved them.
Let's give you a try. Couldn't be any worse to be honest.
What makes me even more pissed is that some of the ideas I DID post on the internet actually got used & were successfull by D1 programs such as Boise St, then Oregon, and even Ohio St - but all on 2 point conversions.
AND I can tell they did not comprehend what I was trying to convey because they made mistakes on where the ball should have gone.
I posted something April 2008, by September 2009 Boise St scored with it.
it's an Extremely unorthodox formation so there is no way it was coincidental.
Also from 2008. I saw Wisconsin do it against Nebraska in 2012 & it was a strip sack - Wisconsin recovered.
Trash. Especially on offense...defense did alright considering the offense they were going up against and how much they were on the field because of the shitty fucking offense. What was that offensive gameplan? Why do I find myself asking this so often? But tonight's was weird...it's like they wanted to throw the ball all over the yard. GO WITH WHAT YOU KNOW!
Can't block, JT's accuracy is up and down, and half the time if JT throws an accurate ball, it gets dropped! They make a good play and then boom, negative play, sack, penalty, turnover, etc. What a joke that was. If that doesn't tell you that real change is needed on offense, nothing will. I hate that it took something like this to finally make coaches realize "hey, we might really want to get better at that throwing the ball thing". Maybe Urban has said it before, but right now, it just feels like lip service. Fuck me. I hope PSU gets annihilated so we at least don't have to hear about how they should've been there instead of OSU. As far as Clemson goes...those fuckers better win the whole goddamn thing.
Class of 2010.
All I know is that Alabama has looked pretty good running what our offense used to look like.
As did Clemson, tonight.
I remember very well when Beck was hired, almost all buckeye nation was skeptical but played the wait and see game. Well we did and it sucked, so then Urban added Warriner, and after a few games everyone was all kumbiah. Well now our Oline is its worst in 5 years and our offense is preforming at damn near Joe Bauserman levels. I dont know what it will tqke for OSU to follow the example of all the other elite programs and hire, and pay, a top notch OC. Especially since it seems we have the defensive side squared away. I certainly hope that with Fick leaving we do not drop off on D. That would cause even more problems. Yet it could happen.
Thank you! I couldn't agree more with this!!!!!!
Class of 2001 - classless since then.
OSU has won many games with Meyer, almost all but a few we were supposed to win. But against great defenses the struggles are the same every single game. When Meyer doesnt have a top notch OC we have an offense that is mediocre at best, 31-0 at clemson worst. We only scored 20 against PSU, 17 against MSU and in regultion only 3 points against Michigan. Thats fucking terrible. The biggest change Urban Meyer needs to make is to stop the denial about his ability to see the problem. Its obvious he doesnt.
Thank You he sees it just doesn't want to admit he made a bad decision - so correct it.Got fat feasting on inferior opponents.I didn't expect to get into the play offs this year.I did expect to see progress or insight regarding the most important position on the field.That did not happen.Complacency at the top to stand pat.HC needs to step in and make changes for the Team and not worry about individual feelings.Wonder what Burrows or Haskins families/friends have been thinking
So i head over to shaggytexas to see any news on Beck and I see this gem, lol:
[Quote] Originally Posted by CurlyDumps [View Post]
They have a site called "eleven warriors." that is how douchey and terrible their fanbase is.
Eleven warriors? Lol
Drunken goat herders at a corral called Shaggy Bevo - ain't nothin' but steers & queers in Texas
I got horns (they're imaginary, but still can be so snarkily evil) & a high paying job as a college drop out due to lack of funds (I paid my own way - entirely) from no jobs at all from the first Iraqi invasion recession.
I've worked jobs below the $3.50/hr minimum wage because it was that or nothing - jobs I didn't have the skills to do AT ALL when hired.
i learned them Fast.
i got jobs I didn't have the skills to do - I bought a book & read the hell out of it & mentally practiced everything it said - I didn't own a computer - it was a computer based job.
they thought I was playing but when chips got knocked off the board in an emergency who saved their ass withbrute force?
who learned the actual programming language from a book & now has 20 years experience - enough where I have to remind people - I'm not an Engineer?
Don't Diss Texas, man. Ohio would have never given me these shots.
wait, Ohio gave me a shot - I had to sign a waiver to agree to work for below minimum wage & then run an entire kitchen by myself.
my previous experience was Line cook at a college grill.
i learned the shit out of how to run a kitchen real fast & realized below min wage was complete bullshit
Goddamn,,this was horrible. Worse than the debacle in 2006. Just hope that they remember the horrible taste from this disaster and go at 2017 angry.
Regardless. _ ichigan still sucks
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Really hope everyone that condemned anyone that criticized JT see that there is a change needed at QB. I know JT had some passes dropped by WRs but he just isn't good enough to beat the elite teams. Time for a new chapter.
I'm a Buckeye born, I'm a Buckeye bred, and when I die I will be a Buckeye dead.
I'll take advantage of a vent thread.
disclaimer 1: I love the buckeyes. Always will.
disclaimer 2: I'm full of IPA and champagne...happy new year. Now, to the rant.
I don't know who is responsible, but the combo of Beck, Warriner and JT isn't cutting it. Helfrich, Wilson, someone...help.
If you pick me as our next Coach, I will take 6 million per year and guarantee to score as many or more points than this bowl game. I PROMISE! 6 million per year/point and I am yours.
Stunned. Absolutely stunned. Not that we lost but the manner in which we lost. And quite frankly, I shouldn't be considering the game plan was to sling the ball around. This passing attack is complete trash. Coaching/player development, QB play, WR play, O-Line protection, scheme? I honestly have no idea where to point the finger and it could very well be all of the above.
We got a false sense of security by throwing the ball with ease against Oklahoma. They're a "name" team but the fact is everybody looks good throwing the ball against Oklahoma. They have a historically bad pass defense this year, setting records for all the wrong reasons. Any time we faced secondaries with a pulse we struggled painfully to throw the ball.
Despite this, for some reason our staff thought the way to beat Clemson was through the air. Didn't work out so well. Our run game? Failed horribly against their front 7. Mike Weber had 5 carries, 2 of which he fumbled. Other than Samuel's long run we were shut down completely. I hope to God this wakes Urban up the way the 2013 defense did and we see some changes on the staff. My knee jerk reaction is I would have left Beck and Smith on the tarmac in Arizona but that's the drunken pissed off fan in me talking. Still can't really believe what I saw tonight.
Respect to Clemson, they were by FAR the better team and straight up beat the hell out of us. But regardless, I love my Buckeyes. Born in Columbus to an OSU grad and graduated from OSU as did my sister. Buckeye born, Buckeye bred and you can call me a Buckeye long after I'm dead. Hopefully the team grows from this.
Needed, no... wanted, to walk away last night, and spent the last hour of 2016 with my family.
Catching up on the post game chatter.
Better days are ahead.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
About what I expected. Thought we'd make one of the field goals, though. That would have been totally awesome.
I drove 2,600 miles by myself, so far, for that. I worked hard to show up for that game... the coaching staff didn't.
This man love for JT is beyond belief. If you have poor arm strength,hold the damn ball, rarely hit receivers in stride can't throw deep then bring in somebody else! How do you know it can't get better if no one else gets a chance. It was obvious in the spring the guy who the real qb was on this team.
My last comment on this.Clemson coaches did not come out and say their QB & play calling blows.But they planned their whole defensive scheme around it
High street Heisman,well said!
If you would have told me the buckeyes would hold Clemson to 31 pts before the game started , I would have said the buckeyes would definitely win
"just a bad game"
"this doesn't happen to Ohio State"
love the excuses from players. of course JT has been saying he's fine w/ his QB abilities as a passer.. I guess he still does. and he wants to return to show us more? I can't wait. it's not like last 2 years was enough already.
can we have real QB competition? no one can convince me that JT is the best option on our roster? maybe most games played..but very doubtful he's a better QB.. I guess loyalty wins over meritocracy at OSU.
Will always fall short if this is the case (vs Bama's Saban or even Clemson, FSU, etc). I hope Urban is not another Thad Matta in the making, getting 2 comfortable....
offseason will tell...
Hard to bench him but I agree with what you're saying. We've definitely seen his ceiling and it isn't very high. But I don't see anyone supplanting him either, since the fall back will always be that "he gives us the best chance to win," without looking toward the future at all. If he stays, I'd have to imagine that we are going to lose at least 1, if not 2, of Burrow, Haskins, Martell, or Emory Jones. Too much backlog there to stick around watching stale QB play.
I can't think of a reason why Joey Burrow wasn't brought in to try and jump start the passing game. He is a better passer and can run when he needs to.
He would've needed that running ability when nobody was open.
Saban would've at least considered it on general principle alone, you know, try the unexpected. Just like he did with that onside kick to start the second half of last year's championship game! Boy wasn't that a momentum shifter. Like him or not, HIS record with championships speaks for itself.
2017 will be telling. I can care less what Meyer record is, if changes aren't made, I'm done with him. To often, fans and people become complacent, the world doesn't stop for anyone. If he doesn't have the win at all cost mentality, then we need to get a head coach in here who does. I don't care about your classification or how many years you've been on campus, the best players need to play and the best coaches need to be hired. Remove your ego Urban or go coach somewhere else. And if the boosters of Ohio State have any guts, they will demand better and demand changes on the staff.
It is just amazing to me that the Coaching Staff came into the game convinced they could not run inside, and never even tried. The strength of the team is running the ball and yet we call passing plays on 21 out of 27 plays in the first half. Sometimes it's good for the OLine to be able to go hit people on running plays rather than be forced into pass protection on every play.
As hard as Clemson was rushing JT, I would even liked to see some QB draws.
Or a fucking screen pass.
We got dominated period. Offensive line was horrible and when JT had open receivers and missed many passes.We need changes. We should not have been there...period.
I thought given the situation with the offense in its comatose like state our defense looked solid. But you saw what 2 star DL men can do for a rush package. Now given our O line only gave tissue paper like resistance to them all night but the point still stands. Also you saw what true speed with combined with offensive competency looks like last night. I for one dont think any of our current WR could crack the 2 deep at celmson. They are getting true WRs not athletes who just happen to have a good 40 time and can sometimes catch a ball. They are actually watching film and making educated decisions on how a kid would develop. Now grated its not all on the WRs when there is no direction or coaching you cant expect to have excelled performance. OSU cant live on a 2014 championship forever. Kids have short memories and if your a WR recruit, its natural to have second thoughts about going to OSU when there are schools like clemson who know how to coach and develop talent. Only thing that saves this off season is cutting those who are not moving the ship where it needs to go.
When the season started my prediction was 9-3 (OK, WI, PSU) with a bowl victory. Last night, along with the upcoming week here in West xichigan, was and will be unpleasant. But everyone knew the O-line has struggled and the passing game has been a crapshoot. That cannot be fixed in three weeks. As good as Brooklyn is, he is not a workhorse and needs the playbook to be effective. Clemson has been consistent with their turnover issues something that can be overcome by good decisions and a stout defense. Plus they have a lot of playmakers with a decent offensive scheme. Hence I had a bad feeling about the game, but had no idea. Even with the butt kicking, a young team lost two games, to a potential national champion and the conference champion on the road. I was optimistic when the season started and was geared for a big run in 2017. All is not lost, 2017 is upon us. The sun is shining, even here in West xichigan. Remember, everyone hates Buckeye Nation, because they aren't.
If you can't be a Buckeye, it's good to know one
The buck stops with Urban. He reminds me of the CEO who sits in the office of a huge corporation, delegating his responsibilities with no accountability for his subordinates. Everything is great until the stock starts to fall. Time for a wake-up call!
Urban's post-Florida team management has bothered me since he signed a contract with his family. You don't take a job in the pinnacle of your career, with the #1 revenue-based college football program in the country and sit in the back seat. (http://es.pn/2iVA76v) Look at Saban, Sweeney, Herman, and even Harbaugh. Are they signing family contracts and committing to balance? I don't think so. Why? Because it is a no-win situation for both sides. By nature, it's an oxymoron. Urban is facing his arrogance right in the mirror......the arrogance of thinking that he can have it all. And his philosophy of balance may have created complacency within the ranks. When you create a culture where you value balance more that the product, you get what you paid for......asst. coaches and players who don't have the urgency it takes to perform at this level. I'm not saying that he should eat, breath, and sleep his head coach role. But promoting it as a "culture" or "philosophy" is the LAST thing a premiere college football team needs.
After the CFP Fiesta Bowl, it is apparent that Urban may have found balance, but he's lost his edge. It's taken a while for the boil of balance to fester, but it's popped now and is oozing all over the program. The OSU head coach job is not one of balance (go ahead - throw tomatoes!). It is one of devout passion, dedication, and tradition. Yes, it is consuming. An Ohio State head coach is a general...an admiral...a president...an involved leader. If balance is the most important thing to him, then this job is not for him. You can't coach at this level with a leash around your neck.
I hope Urban will reflect and make the tough decisions that a CEO needs to make (while being paid a hefty price). It's time to get in the driver's seat, Urban. Get good gas and new tires, program the GPS, and prepare the passengers for the ride of their lives.
I couldn't agree with you more. Being the head coach at The Ohio State, is a high pressure job. This fan base isn't trying to hear about balance, if you're not ready for the high pressure, then you should go coach some where else. This come with the territory. You want to be the head coach here, I'm going to need you to be pedal to the metal. Period.
I was honestly concerned for the safety of Clemsons D-Lineman. With JT throwing bullets into their facemasks concussion protocols really needed to be followed more.
Beck and Warriner need to be replaced. Zack Smith needs some help. I hope Urban has the sack to make all of this happen.
WHY DIDN'T WE RUN BETWEEN THE TACKLES AND PASS VERTICALLY? WHY? WHY? HALLELUJAH. HOLY SHIT. WHERE'S THE TYLENOL?
All my grievances have been aired above so I won't add any more on that score. But I do have a question about the game plan. We saw the same game plan last night that we saw most of the year. Why? Is it because the coaches can't come up with new/better/different plays? Or is it because the players can't execute new/better/different plays?
"Your focus determines your reality."
This one hurts more than any loss in a long time. I remember back in 2014, I was a mess for about 5 days after the Virginia Tech loss because at that point, we had lost 3 of 4 and it felt like we would never win anything major again (overreaction). Then, we got back up and won a national championship. After the MSU loss last year, I was hurting until noon the following Saturday when we put the hurt on that team up north. But this... there isn't a way to describe this. National title implications, a month to prepare, Urban in our corner. We haven't been beaten like this since I was 8 years old. This one is going to sting for a long time. And the Bucks don't get to come back and prove themselves again until August 31. We will make it, but damn. This one hurts bad.
242 days until Buckeye football is back. That cannot come soon enough.
And Toledo still sucks.
That is literally the opposite of how I feel, and my friends (who hate the buckeyes) can't stand it. This was the best thing to happen because it is now undeniable that Beck has to go. He was hired ( Lord knows why) and produced nothing but anemic offense. I heard all last year, how we were going to break out. Yeah, we did, a game too late, and won against ND.
This year we showed glimses of hope, yet he would revert back to that delayed keeper, sweep crap the next week. We were blasted on the biggest stages, which highlighted predictability and unpreparedness.
I will only feel crushed if Urban somehow finds reason to justify having Beck/Warriner after that performance
Didn't urban say the future is great at Ohio state after the natty. I think he missed on that one.