Leonard Fournette to sit out bowl game as to not risk injury

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Matt's picture

He's been injured most of this year.  Good for him.

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Il_Padrino's picture

To be fair; players sitting out is not new...

Michigan's offense and parts of their defense (e.g. Peppers) didn't play the entire 4th quarter versus Ohio State so they could be rested for the Orange Bowl.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

I liked this comment better when you posted it at the bottom of the thread...

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Squirrel Master's picture

I doubt any kid would sit out the playoffs. I don't want it to become a regular thing but it is his choice. Not sure what bowl they are playing in but I doubt his teammates woukd have too much issue missing a low tier bowl game.

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SuperFanBuck's picture

If he is healthy enough to go, this is a bitch move.  You don't just quit on your teammates and stop playing because you're going to be a high draft pick. Thats the definition of a prima donna.  A bowl game is a bowl game.  Finish like a man.  

Unless the injury is enough that he definitely shouldn't be playing, I will never be a fan of Fournette's.  This says a lot about him. 

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

He had an ankle injury that caused him trouble this year, and he has three years of being a starting RB under his belt. LSU has done nothing to make his job easy, and it would be idiotic for him to risk injurying his ankle to where teams worry about his longterm health and then he loses out on guaranteed money because he gets drafted lower.

He doesnt fit the definition of a prima donna at all. Protecting his future doesnt mean he thinks he is more important than all of his teammates, he doesnt want to risk hurting his future. He gave them three years, and they never put a decent team around him. Why risk his future for what amounts to a meaningless game anyway? RB's dont last long in the NFL so he might as well protect as much guaranteed money as he can. Call him a bitch or question his "manliness", as if any of that matters, dude is protecting his future. I personally cant blame him for it.

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The Rill Dill's picture

Make them ineligible for the current draft year.  That would be a start in stopping these pussy types.  I'm talking to you, Brad Roby.

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Squirrel Master's picture

Sounds like you weren't a super fan of his to begin with. This move changed your mind about him? I doubt it.

You know you are about to make millions or lose millions on a BS bowl game that nobody cares about except the NCAA bank account. What would him playing in that bowl game give him or his teammates? Nothing! His teammates aren't going to cry they didn't win a lame bowl game because he decided to let his ankle heal more by not playing.

Get over yourself. If that bowl could cost you millions, you would so make the same decision and you know it. Easy to be tough when it's not your future and body on the line.

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BuckeyeAsylum's picture

I don't get people and this hate of a guy for protecting his future. Risk to reward is certainly a thing, and when you gave yourself for 3 years at risk with no reward, avoiding risk for protecting a massive reward just balances the equation to me. Would I be a bit bummed if a star athlete did this? Of course. But I am not going to throw hate on someone protecting their future by making a business decision. And if his teammates get salty about it, then fuck em. It isn't their future on the line, its his. I would imagine he wants to play, plenty of things people want to do, but really shouldn't.

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

Also, their backup RB is actually a stud himself. I dont think they would win even with Fournette, but I think their backup gives them jsut as good of a chance. 

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mh277907's picture

Lol how's the view up there on that horse? Maybe walk a mile in his shoes before calling this a "bitch move"? It's easy to sit there anonymously at your computer and throw stones at a 20 year old who is risking millions of dollars to play in a meaningless game. What if the well-being of his family is dependent upon him making money? What if he grew up in poverty and he has parents, siblings, children looking at him to provide him with food and shelter? If that's the case, is it still a bitch move? What if his teammates and coaches are the ones telling him to sit out? It's funny how often perspective is lost amongst fanatics. 

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GnarlosHyde's picture

Why would he risk tearing his ACL (or worse) in a worthless bowl game and lose millions?  But at least he would "finish like a man".

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CincyBuck's picture

I won't call it a "bitch move."  Nor do I have strong feelings one way or the other about Fournette.

But, like SFB, I'm not a fan of this move.  If you're healthy (healthy to the point that there's no more risk of you getting injured than there normally is), you should play.  To do otherwise is to put yourself on a pedestal above the rest of your teammates.  Not cool, in my opinion.  It kind of goes against the core of college football.

I get what others are saying about the cost-benefit analysis (i.e., why risk getting hurt in what is essentially an exhibition game?)  I do find it interesting that everyone uses the phrase "meaningless game."  I think that term can stretch much further than just bowl games.  And, by that logic, I'd argue that anyone who has sufficiently concrete draft expectations -- that is, he's very likely to be drafted at a certain position -- should quit college football entirely. 

In a sense, for the elite players, college football has meaning only to the extent it will get them paid by the NFL.  Fournette just shouldn't have played this season at all, since everyone and their mother already knew how talented he is.  Ditto to JaDeveon Clowney, Zeke, Joey Bosa, etc. 

If millions are on the line, in a sense, you'd be a fool to risk injury for something as meaningless as college football.  The primary risk is that some NFL Exec. doesn't consider you a "team player."  And in a world where this type of business decision is rationalized and/or normalized, that wouldn't be a big consideration  I think several people wouldn't like this scenario. 

So what do we do to prevent this scenario in the future?  Remove the 3-years-out rule.  Let players go to the NFL whenever they choose to do so, thus eliminating these scenarios in which a player decides it makes business sense to sit out college football.  That, or start paying the players something that approaches market compensation.  Maybe Fournette reaches a different conclusion if he's guaranteed a cut of the bowl revenue.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

A completely understandable and supportable decision.  Also a chickenshit one.  I think it would be viewed as a negative by an NFL draft team analyzing character.  Abandoning his team and teammates for the sake of self.  Not every NFL game leads to playoffs. 

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Bosco Baracus's picture

Gotta disagree with the NFL team analyzing character. Why would they hold that against a guy who is sitting out due to injuries and possibly more injuries to be better physically prepared for the NFL. Its not like he is sitting out to go on vacation. 

If I was a coach and I had a player like that and we were playing in a meaningless bowl game I would tell them its their choice. For these crap bowl games the only positive is the extra practice for the next year. Fournette is not playing at LSU next year. Get the youngs guys in and more reps.

LIke another poster said. Jaylon Smith... 

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

Ive actually heard scouts say(anonymously of course) that they dont see it as negative at all.

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CincyOSU's picture

Not every NFL game leads to playoffs. 

But one injury in a meaningless college game can seriously effect your draft stock.

I don't like the precedent this may set, but I get where he is coming from.

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BroJim's picture

Nah- probably advice from his agent.

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NOLABuckeye's picture

I'm mixed on this. I hate that he'll sit. But... LSU ran the shit out of him this year. It was the only way they could win.  I don't know his stats, but I'm sure they're well over 25 carries per game. 

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BuckeyeAsylum's picture

"Hey this guy took into consideration the outcome of his actions and weighed the risks and benefits. And arguably made the decision to favor the benefit over the risk. I definitely don't want a character like that in the locker room."

The NFL is a business, with business people. I'd like to believe they prefer people who have the brains to make long term decisions. Sure it may result in some selfish behaviors, but it also makes him a lower risk for "stupid" to occur. Also this is an elective situation. If he is under contract, he is sort of obligated to fulfill and play if a meaningless game arises. The difference between paid players and collegiate players lies in this area.

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CincyBuck's picture

I'd like to believe they prefer people who have the brains to make long term decisions.

You have far more faith in the NFL than I do.  I think they prefer players who give 110%, keep their mouths shut, and don't question the current order.  I recall Chad Johnson being vilified for admitting that he protects himself when he goes across the middle on a slant (calling it a "business decision").  And how the NFL has handled the rising risk of CTE doesn't give me a ton of faith that they want players who are well informed and rational.

Sure it may result in some selfish behaviors, but it also makes him a lower risk for "stupid" to occur.

Maybe?  Clarett's cost-benefit analysis led to him trying to shatter the NFL's arbitrary ban on players below a certain age.  His "stupid" quotient (if you will) was sky high.  Though I'll be the first to say he got hosed. 

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CincyBuck's picture

I think it would be viewed as a negative by an NFL draft team analyzing character.

I agree as a general principle.  I don't think it will hurt Fournette, because his draft stock is pretty rock solid.  But I could see it hurting others (e.g., McCaffrey).  This is because...

Not every NFL game leads to playoffs.

Bingo.  Fans of NFL teams in Ohio are acutely aware of this fact.  One could make a good argument that his willingness to quit on his team at the collegiate level in a so-called meaningless game makes him more likely to do so in pro-level games that carry no meaning.  The two situations aren't perfectly parallel (obviously, in the NFL, he'll be getting paid). 

But we've all seen pro players half-ass it in games that don't matter.  So, too, have the coaches and GMs for these teams.  It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that some NFL Execs. will hold this against players.  Let's all remember, the team that will draft Fournette is, more likely than not, a team that is currently playing in meaningless games.

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GnarlosHyde's picture

One could make a good argument that his willingness to quit on his team at the collegiate level in a so-called meaningless game makes him more likely to do so in pro-level games that carry no meaning.

Those (not you) making that argument are idiots.  No GM is going to hold it against a player for sitting out a game where he isn't getting paid.  Plus GMs overlook a ton of other character issues that are big red flags.  A player protecting his body from needless injury is not a red flag.

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CincyBuck's picture

No GM is going to hold it against a player for sitting out a game where he isn't getting paid.

Perhaps you're right.  I'm not so sure.  Fournette's decision shouldn't impact his draft stock.  His talent and track record are too well established.

But I doubt that sitting out a whole season would go over well with NFL execs -- for reasons unrelated to any "rust" that might accumulate over the year.  Clowney probably wouldn't have been No. 1 overall had he sat out his entire junior season.  Fournette's draft stock likely would've taken a hit if he sat out this season.  Likewise, I think the draft stock of people like Hooker, Lattimore, McMillan, Elflein, etc. would take a hit if they chose to stop playing right now.  It's tough to say until it happens; prior situations aren't comparable because other factors were at play (e.g., Bo Jackson's draft stock plummeting).  But, as an agent, the situations in which I'd advise a player to quit college football would be few and far between.

Still, I think such criticism is be unfair.  And, to limit this type of situation in the future, the powers that be (the NFL, NCAA, whoever else) should abolish the 3-year threshold for entering the NFL.  If the system was fair, Fournette would already be in the NFL -- and, perhaps, have some leftover funds from his college days.

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bucknut1994's picture

Jaylon Smith's knee would say it might be a good decision. His is gonna skip the Buffalo Wild Wings Citrus Bowl, not a CFP semifinal game.

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Nashville's picture

 Yes, it cost him about $18 million guaranteed. He was a consensus top five in every mock draft before the Fiesta Bowl. Sure, he may have dropped but no way lower than six or seven

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

This is exactly right. Playing in the NFL is a privilege and not easy to do, you might as well take advantage of every penny you can get(especially as a RB, who's careers are short). We all know what happened to Jaylon Smith in last years bowl game, cost him more than enough money to live off for the rest of his life. I just cant blame a kid for chasing money in a world where money talks. I say good for him.

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Coach Harry's picture

In all respect, i disagree ... Players should play if healthy ... Players should respect their programs and most of all the fans !!! I know that a ton of money is on the table for many of them but they decided to play football and not curling, injuries are part of the game !!!

You want to play football, go out and play if you re healthy !!!

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BrewstersMillions's picture

If he blows his knee out in a game that doesn't matter, what respect will the program and fans show him? 

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linepilot15's picture

The question is where do you draw the line. What game matters ? If all you are interested in is getting drafted does a playoff game really matter? You could be projected very high with three games left in the regular season. Do you quit playing then? I don't know but I'm afraid it is something we may see more and more

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

If all you are interested in is getting drafted does a playoff game really matter?

I may be totally off-base here, but I think choosing to sit out CFP games could backfire, and do more harm to your draft status than an injury.

You could be projected very high with three games left in the regular season. Do you quit playing then?

Depends on the team record. If your team sucks and has nothing to play for I wouldn't have any issues with the best player(s) sitting out. Now if the team was good or playing for a conference championship? That would be a different story...

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BuckminsterFullback's picture

The question is where do you draw the line.

Reminds me of the old Victoria Jackson song:

Or what if the doctor said I had this terrible disease

And the only way to cure it would be

To take a shower with you naked

Where do you draw the line

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BuckeyeAsylum's picture

I wouldn't be bothered by an elite player sitting out a playoff game. Man it would SUCK. Hard. But I am not so stupid to think that the young man is trying to protect his future and the decade+ he has invested into this. I'm not going to ever down a person for protecting multi-million dollar paycheck when they have over a decade of their life invested(which at that point is basically 50%+ of their years on earth) vs playing a game that won't mean anything if they are critically injured. I really would hope they'd play and I'd be a bit crushed if they didn't, but I just think if it were my kid I'd side with take care of yourself. I've done enough stupid things to handicap myself and its cost me a good chunk of change, so I understand making the smart business decision first.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

You're on the team and you're healthy? Get on the field or get off the team. 

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Jaylon Smith did this and may never see another contract again. Football is a risky game. Perhaps no where in American sport is there a larger gap between risk and reward. Why take this risk for free when you are going to continuously put yourself at risk for the next 8-10 years, if you are lucky?

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Team. Your teammates are on the field. Your teammates allowed you to achieve the success that you did. But... now that you are about to make money, them risking their bodies is okay but not for you? You're right, football is a risky game but football is a team game. If you're going to sit out, someone's going to be there in your stead. 

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BuckeyeAsylum's picture

Fans will never honestly assess risk and reward, its unbelievably rare.

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Nashville's picture

 Those guys are already forced to stay in school for three years, rather than go to the pros like you can in baseball or basketball in one year or less.  Not to mention that their sport has the shortest careers and is the only major sport without guaranteed contracts .

So you've made it almost 3 years without a serious injury and you got one game left before you can cash in and the game means nothing! You really think they should feel obligated to play ? I don't. 

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countrybuckeye's picture

we've made it to this state because this is what fans with NFL/Fantasy proclivities wanted.  College football traditionalists watch all this, roll their eyes, and sip on their fine Bourbon

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shawn kemps kids's picture

Got no problem with this. It's a meaningless "reward" bowl game and he's been injured nearly all year. No way will this leak into the regular season. That's an illogical jump.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

No way will this leak into the regular season. That's an illogical jump.

Fairly certain TUN sat out those last couple of years when Tressel was here

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shawn kemps kids's picture

I can't tell if you're making a joke or not. If not, I don't know who you're referring it. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

If you go back and look at the scores for those games - especially 2008 & 2010 - and then re-read my comment, it will all become clear to you.

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shawn kemps kids's picture

I couldn't tell if you were joking or not because half those years were close and the others weren't.

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Silver Bullet 10's picture

Fournette was a college letdown IMO. Had a good September 2015 and has gone downhill ever since. Shutdown by Bama three straight years in all of his big games. 

Hell, he's not even the best RB on his own team anymore. And his own fans are already calling him Trent 2.0 and a future bust with his poor vision and running scared against good comp. 

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wrathofAJhawk's picture

It's pretty hard to be a good RB against Alabama when there is zero passing threat and the best defense in the country stuffs the line of scrimmage with 2 linebackers keying on you every play lol.

I watched those games, Herschel Walker and Eddie George would've been shut down too

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swobuckeye's picture

Barry Sanders would've had a hard time getting any yards in those games.

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

Lmao I was just gonna say I watched those games. I dont care who the fuck you put back there, they were getting stuffed. LSU's line got manhandled like Ive never seen. Honestly, never seen a power 5 conference team, let alone a ranked one, get abused like that in the trenches. I mean, it was ugly. Name any great RB, and the result would have been very similar.

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RK84's picture

Werent there some around OSU that thought Roby did this before the Clemson bowl game last time?

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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LCT's picture

Fuck yeah Roby did that

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RK84's picture

Claimed it was an injury, but we all knew. Hey I'm not mad at him.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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LCT's picture

It was a rational decision on his part. Watkins torched us that day worse than Abbrederis did earlier that season. Roby had draftitis.

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RK84's picture

You gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em... Or at least that's what Kenny Rodgers taught me.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

With how our DBs were getting torn up all year with that scheme, I cant blame him. Look how good he is in the NFL, and look how bad he looked his last year at OSU. It wasnt him, it was the scheme, no reason to risk an injury while having Sammy Watkins shit on you all day. Would have been a bad look for a top CB to get eaten up by a top WR before the draft. He lucked out and made a good choice if Im being honest.

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Defiance's picture

LSU's junior running back Leonard Fournette will not play in the Citrus Bowl against Louisville on Dec. 31,

meh

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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FatChaddie's picture

Automatic Bob Denver upvote.

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Cincy Thorpe's picture

Bama's whole defense sat out the 2014 sugar bowl, well according to Saban's excuse booklet.

Wordness to the turdness

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Buckeye Knight's picture

Getting knocked on your ass isn't the same thing as sitting out. ;)

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Defiance's picture

Getting knocked on your ass isn't the same thing as sitting out. ;)

it was a jive turkey cheap shot, Landon Collins said so...

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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Grisle's picture

Each situation is different. No problem with Fournette sitting out as he has been injured most of this season and their backup has been very productive so it won't be a big drop off if any. It's not like LSU is in the playoffs or even a NY6 game just another meaningless bowl game in a sea of meaningless bowl games.
 

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BuckeyeChief's picture

I can't say I blame him, but I am sure LSU fans are bummed.

I will say, that as bummed as I was (and I am sure the players were more bummed than I was) to see the Buckeyes in the Fiesta Bowl, there was 100% no way short of death or injury I was going to miss seeing that team one last time.

I actually got into it with my wife over the Fiesta Bowl...older daughter was going out and my wife was taking her and pulled a "I thought you were going with us" moment. I may have lost my shit and gotten overly emotional about it, and when she said "but it's not the playoffs" I MAY have yelled with some tears in my eyes that I had to see Zeke, Joey, Eli, etc. off.

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RK84's picture

*sit

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Rocket Man's picture

Glad you made that comment.

I was going to have to be that guy to ask if he was going to set out a bowl or sit out.

I thought maybe he had a sick cat or something and was putting out a bowl of milk.

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Hovenaut's picture

*Got it*

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Ludwig Yards's picture

Personally, I'd play...last chance to suit up with my teammates, for my school, and knock some heads. But I get, financially, why someone would sit out. All he has to do is sign and he's likely set for life. That's certainly appealing in the long term. I can't really fault the guy for either decision. It's his life, let him live. 

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countrybuckeye's picture

it may be ALL he has in his world ...

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johnblairgobucks's picture

ESPN's SEC Bowl season Performance Excuse #1.......more to come.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I heard ESPN uses B1G branded toilet paper in their bathrooms

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10-Yard Fight's picture

I absolutely love that ESPiN is in financial freefall.

I love seeing them fail. They deserve to fail. 

They'e gone way too far off the sports path with their ideological garbage.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I bet you'd feel differently if they signed your paychecks

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10-Yard Fight's picture

Yeah, but, guess what --- they don't, so I don't.

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10-Yard Fight's picture

I get your point, I just don't give a shit.

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CincyOSU's picture

I get your point, I just don't give a shit.

Who shit in your Wheaties? The better question, who were you prior to 10-Yard Fight?

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

who were you prior to 10-Yard Fight?

Glad I'm not the only one wondering that

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10-Yard Fight's picture

Nobody bud. Just not a fan of ESPiN. You seem to be a big fan. 

I'm not a fan of a network that pushes agendas, i.e. giving a "Courage Award" to someone confused about their gender (Bruce Caitlyn Jenner) over a girl playing basketball with cancer (Lauren Hill).

It seems like you love ESPiN, so you can try to support that if you want. But when a network does stuff like that --- I hope they fail. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Nobody bud

Umm...

You seem to be a big fan

seems like you love ESPiN

You're too new to have watched CincyOSU valiantly fight for ESPN's honor, so you'll forgive me if I don't believe your "Nobody bud" comment.

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Fatpants's picture

I'm surprised that he was able to hold off for a month before going after Cincy. 

PG <3 PG

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CincyOSU's picture

Now how do you know I "love" ESPN? You just gave it away. 

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10-Yard Fight's picture

Just by looking at your last few comments, bub. Wasn't too hard. 

Can you defend ESPiN giving a "Courage Award" to Cait Jenner?

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Can you defend ESPiN giving a "Courage Award" to Cait Jenner? 

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10-Yard Fight's picture

I don't think he can. But, it's ok, I wouldn't be able to either.

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CincyOSU's picture

Just by looking at your last few comments, bub. Wasn't too hard. 

Really? You figured out my "love" for ESPN from three post? Posts which many agreed with? Doesn't add up there fella. 

Can you defend ESPiN giving a "Courage Award" to Cait Jenner?

Huh? What are you talking about?

ScrewTheBlue...that's my guess  

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Dr. House's picture

Kurt angle my olympic hero will get an up vote every time.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

"This still?"
@CincyOSU

I was thinking the same thing about you commenting on an ESPN post.

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buckzilla1's picture

Leonard (The Quitter) Fournette, Looks as though he came from the house of Spurrier. #1 draft comment, "Fournette has championship quality quit in him".

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BradentonBuck's picture

It sure is easy for us to sit here and say play, when we aren't holding a winning lottery ticket.  He has an opportunity to cash said ticket and set he and his family up for life.  He is a RB which already has the shortest shelf life in the NFL, he needs to be as healthy as possible.  Its not like he is playing in the playoffs.

I'm not mad at him.  

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linepilot15's picture

I agree it would be on a players mind. I'm not in the least bit mad at him, of course I'm not an LSU fan. How about if Zeke decided to sit last year? Do you think that if, like you said, the player is holding a winning lottery ticket that the playoffs is really going to make that much difference? I mean he can have a serious injury in a playoff game as easy as any.

So far this hasn't been that big of an issue. I just hope it doesn't catch on.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Bullshit. You can get hurt in any practice. This is a terrible precedent. What's to stop a guy from sitting out when his team loses its second or third game of the year? That team is probably not going to the CFP, which means "meaningless bowl game"? Fucking quit mid-season then. Terrible.

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SFlaBuckeye13's picture

He's had ankle problems for a good portion of the season so it's not like he is 100% healthy and not playing. He was also not supposed to play vs UF but the teams got into it before the game and he wanted to play. He's doing what is best for him and I can't blame him .

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

I don't have a problem with it... I feel like Roby did the same thing when we played Clemson in the Orange Bowl.  I know he was "hurt" but I don't think it was that serious where if we were playing in the playoffs and or for the national title he would've sat out.  And like others have said the whole Jaylon Smith injury.  Bad for him (good for my Cowboys).  If you aren't fully healthy, and you're guaranteed to be a 1st rounder or close to then go ahead and sit out... no sense in risking injury for a random bowl game if you're not playing for a chance to win it all.

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

Not to mention, if it's a player at a stacked position then it definitely wouldn't bother me.  Sure, LSU misses out on him playing but they do have that back up..Guice who has gone for over 150+ rushing 5x this year, including 2 games over 250 yards rushing and topping out at a high of 285 yards...  So yeah, they're fine.

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10-Yard Fight's picture

Said it last year, and I'll say it again: Zeke is better than Lenny. Will be in the NFL too.

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Andy Vance's picture

This is probably an unintended side effect of the playoff: if you're not in, does your game really matter? At least that's the thought process in these types of "business decisions." And yeah, I was pretty salty that Roby dogged it with the Orange Bowl that year, so I can't imagine being the fan of a team where a kid literally quit (although with his injury history, maybe he gets a little more of a pass than a kid who had no history of injury).

The flip side of this argument is that if you look at a kid like Zeke, how much did the playoff run factor into his rise in the Draft? Playing in a Bowl Game could hurt you, literally, but it could also be your last chance to make a statement to scouts on the field. Heart matters, too, at least on some level. But hey, I wouldn't have drafted Jadeveon Clowney, either.

TL;DR: I don't blame him for the decision, but I don't have to like it.

QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

it could also be your last chance to make a statement to scouts on the field

 If a player is in the position where they need to make a statement for the scouts they should obviously play. But if they have all but solidified their first-round status prior to the bowl game - and it's a less than meaningful game - I wouldn't have a problem with it.

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Andy Vance's picture

I agree with the logic behind what you're saying.

I don't like it personally - if you're able to play, you should be there for your team - but I understand the reasoning. I used to be on the "stay and graduate!" bandwagon, but Greg Oden convinced me that sure-fire draft picks should go make bank while they can, because tomorrow may never come, athletically.

QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

but Greg Oden convinced me that sure-fire draft picks should go make bank while they can

Still can't figure out why he waited until he was 40 before heading to the NBA

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BuckminsterFullback's picture

There are some scenarios where this decision could really leave a team in a bad position; imagine if the starting QB decides to sit out, the backup is hurt, and the 3rd-string guy is a freshman taking a redshirt.

Fortunately for LSU, they have another RB who ran for 230 yards in a game, so they're not lacking for options.

He probably could have avoided the controversy if he had just broken some team rule and gotten himself suspended; maybe his agent should have suggested that.

Anyway, before you judge a man, you should run a mile in his cleats (while other large men take shots at your knees).

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BAR43's picture

Since there is an endless number of meaningless bowl games I can hardly blame the guy for not wanting to risk millions so a bunch of business ass hats can make their advertising money. Zero issue with this, and has nothing to do with letting your team down... these are worthless exhibition games with ZERO benefit for the (player) Fournette.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

the Fournette

I really hope that's a typo

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linepilot15's picture

Several people in this thread have used the term "meaningless" bowl games. Has it really already come to that? Is the Rose Bowl a meaningless game? Is the playoffs the only thing that matters? What benefits would the player get if he did play in and win the NC? A ring to show his grandchildren? I mean it's all about the money..right?

I just don't get the whole meaningless game thing. I myself have never watched a meaningless game that tOSU was in. Like many have said on here the kid was hurt a lot but if I'm doing the drafting I would think that may throw up a red flag to me.

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BAR43's picture

Let me re-phrase or clarify. Not ALL bowls games are meaningless... but if I was Fournette I wouldn't give two shits about the Little Cesar Bowl game... I know thats not the game LSU is playing... but the point being there are too many commercially driven crap bowls that have no tradition or merit. I do not blame a kid for passing on a no traditional bowl game... in order to preserve his million dollar worth in a couple months.

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linepilot15's picture

I won't argue that there is not too many bowl games and I wasn't singling you out. Several people used the term "meaningless". That's the part I don't get. Like I said, I never watched a meaningless game that the Bucks where in.
LSU is playing in the Citrus Bowl, two top 20 teams, don't really seem all that meaningless to me. I bet most LSU and Louisville fans don't think it's meaningless. If he thinks that's in his best interest to sit I guess that's his business. I just hope this don't become a regular thing.

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LCT's picture

If I'm an NFL GM this is a factor.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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Dr. House's picture

can i ask why? if he blows out his MCL hes not going to get drafted. this is protecting his spot within the top five draft.

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10-Yard Fight's picture

can i ask why? if he blows out his MCL hes not going to get drafted. this is protecting his spot within the top five draft.

I'll give an example: I don't see Western Michigan WR Corey Davis sitting out his bowl game. He, and other players who are projected top picks at their position are still playing. He, and they, are all risking injury too.

They are more team players than Lenny.

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CincyOSU's picture

Corey Davis hasn't been struggling with a lingering injury all season long. This will have ZERO effect on his draft stock. 

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10-Yard Fight's picture

Thanks for the input, Mr. Contrarian.

But, the general sentiment is that a lot of these guys are risking injury by playing, too. And, by this point in the year --- if you don't think a lot of these other guys are dealing with some lingering injuries and ailments --- then you don't know football. Guaranteed Corey Davis is risking some kind of injury. 

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LCT's picture

Others have alluded but compare this guy to Zeke. Zeke's all heart. If he's healthy he's going and he's giving it everything he's got. You could say this makes Zeke special and I agree. Makes me wonder if Fournette's special or if I can spend the next round's pick on a RB and use the one I was thinking about taking Fournette with to address another need.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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LCT's picture

Zeke last year vs ND in same situation as Fournette: 149 yds + 4 TDs

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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CincyBuck's picture

if he blows out his MCL hes not going to get drafted.

I guarantee you that a blown MCL -- which takes far less time to recover from than a torn ACL -- would not cause Fournette to drop out of the draft entirely (comparison: Jaylen Smith tore virtually every ligament in his knee, and still went in the top of the 2nd Rd., I believe). 

But I agree with your general point.  His stock would definitely take a hit.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

If I'm an NFL GM this is a factor.

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BAR43's picture

You would likely not do well as a GM if you are going to hold this against a kid. At the end of the day Fournette is making a business decision.. if I am a GM I can appreciate the kid being smart. The NFL is not about team, its about winning and making money.

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Neilwoodgables's picture

Dude hasn't been heathy all year and hasn't shown the same type of ability against top competition. If you are an NFL GM those facts far outweigh him sitting out a meaningless bowl game.    It r ally makes you appreciate what Zeke Elliot was during his time in Columbus.

I Hate Michigan.

 

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NYWoodyFan's picture

The NCAA could provide insurance with the money they are making. Bowl's could provide insurance, fans could buy insurance for bowl games. 

Otherwise, Fournette would be a fool to play if he's been granted a way out. 

Matt

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I don't think the NCAA itself makes much money
 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Will Stephen A Smith cry about this like he cried about Lebron sitting out in Memphis?

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Not if LSU is the "home" team

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Jsstull's picture

He's projected as the first RB off the board. Smart call by him and his agent. More players, playing in meaningless bowl games will do this moving forward. 

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WorthyBuck's picture

If I was advising players like Fournette I would have told him to sit out the entire season.  

Marcus Lattimore.  

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huntinwabbits's picture

I completely understand why Leonard would choose this. I also completely hate the decision. It's just a slippery slope. I can't blame the kid for doing it, but man I sure hope this doesn't spiral to a watered down college football game

In nearly every topic, article or comment that praises college football over NFL, you will always find near unanimous support for CFB because the players don't do it for the money. Well you can kiss that argument goodbye, because money is truly factoring into the CFB game now. Money is the exact reason for this decision. Again, I don't blame him for it one bit. But the more stuff like this happens, it makes you wonder about the future of the sport.

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countrybuckeye's picture

at some point, when traditions have been buried after being left for dead, all we'll have is the college football played back where it all started, in the Ivy League

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GnarlosHyde's picture

Good for him. If I was him I would have quit when they fired Les Miles.

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SEQUOIA473's picture

LSU's garbage offense and complete lack of any passing game put extensive straIn on the running game to where Fournette has been injured more than once. Nick Chubb is another example of the inability of an offense to threaten a defense with a strong passing game. Chubb and Fournette were two of the best backs back this season and both were injured. At some point you have to look out for your future and say no to carrying the entire offense. I don't blame him one bit. 

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Sims_tOSU's picture

I mean I hate to see it come down to this. He better not get any of the the cool benefit gifts tho. That'd be bs. Side note: don't think he will do anything in the NFL. From my own perspective (which is my couch) he runs too high. He'd get hurt less if he would run lower. He opens himself for big hits but since he's bigger most of the time it doesn't matter. NFL things change. 

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BAR43's picture

A.Petterson runs very similar and has done pretty well for himself in the NFL... less the recent injuries. I think you are a little crazy to think Fournette will not be successful at the next level, but that just my crazy opinion.

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Sims_tOSU's picture

You named one guy. Now i can name a hundred that don't run that way. You name a guy who is a freak, but still is injured a lot. I think he CAN be really good. But I don't think he will be the best AP or anything. He will be a decent back. He plays in a very pro run offense so he be better In the NFL. Idk I can't read the future 

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BuckeyeSouth's picture

I didn't read all of the comments above so somebody could have beaten me to it, but couldn't he take out an insurance policy against career-ending injury & play the game?  

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Meek's picture

What else do you have to do, work the week before Christmas?

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Ahh Saturday's picture

As a fan, I don't like it, but a fan is in no position to judge. The earning potential of professional athletes is tremendously high, but the window in which they can earn it is tremendously small, particularly for a running back. An injury in a meaningless bowl game, and everything he's worked toward is taken from him. 

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Johnny Utah QB@OSU's picture

  I know where Mr. Fournette can get a comprehensive insurance policy .

Johnny Utah QB@TOSU

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Mosely's picture

Coaches quit before bowls to get a jump on their next job, why can't players.

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BrewinBuckFan's picture

Because the coaches are millionaires who need to do what's best for their professional careers and the players are students who have scholarships and never need to worry about money in their life

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JCam061588's picture

He's played hurt all season. He's proven enough, his ankle isn't 100% & the team really doesn't them since his backup has been a stud all year. Get healthy, get paid. 

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High St Heismans's picture

Mosely & JCam pretty much nailed it.If LSU was in the Play off then a different story.Hell LSU fired Miles whom Leonard came to play for.

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BrewinBuckFan's picture

Its not like LSU fans complaining would all chip in to give him 15mil if he reinjured his leg

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Jobu's picture

If I was one of his teammates I'd have a difficult time being around him. All the blood, sweat and tears we've been through together and you have one more shot to suit up with us and you're not going to do it?

Sort of tells me where we stand in the list of priorities, and more than likely a glimpse down the road of where we'll stand as well

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

His priorities are money, and protecting his future. Cant blame him for that.

"I hate losing more than I like winning."- Chris Paul

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High St Heismans's picture

Jobu wait'll they expand the play offs

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GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

If Fournette can skip a bowl game, then Peppers should have skipped the season. 

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

If he's healthy now then he owes it to his team to be there for them. If I were his teammate I'd be pretty pissed. Imagine if Zeke had pulled that last year vs Notre Dame? Wed all be declaring WW3 on him.

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

I think if LSU was in the playoffs, he wouldnt be sitting out. He is playing in a pointless bowl game, I dont blame him

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Every game LSU played after 9/24 was meaningless to Fournette under that criteria, would you blame him if he sat those out as well?

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

That would be one hell of a slap in the face to every player he suits up with at LSU.  NFL teams should look no further than Jadeveon Clowney if they want to see the risk of drafting a player with that mindset high in the draft.

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shawn kemps kids's picture

Clowney is having a pretty solid year after battling injuries his first two. Might not be the best example.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Dude has been a pretty big bust given he was drafted #1 overall.  5 sacks isn't a terrible season, but its also not a particularly good one either.

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shawn kemps kids's picture

Because of injuries. Which is why Fournette is sitting out....like I said. Probably not the best example.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

He played in 13 games last season and 14 so far this year, his issues go beyond injuries. 

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shawn kemps kids's picture

He was on the field for roughly half their defensive snap count last year. Look, if you can't understand that reoccurring knee injuries kept Clowney from full participation last year, you're beyond help.

Not sure why you mentioned this year as I have said this year he's had a pretty good year.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

I mentioned his name because his desire was questioned his Jr year at SC, but the Texans overlooked those rumblings and drafted him #1 overall anyway.  The fact that you think his 2016 has been a "pretty good year" shows just how bad that pick was for them.  Lets ignore his first 2 years if you want, he's been mediocre this year.  5 sacks from a guy you drafted #1 overall is not pretty good even by Cleveland standards.  Maybe Fournette comes in and has a Zeke like rookie season, or maybe he busts.  Time will tell, but imo showing a lack of desire to compete is a red flag.  One we saw with Jedeveon Clowney, and one that CM and LF are showing this bowl season.  If Clowney's 2016 is the bar we're setting though, it should be pretty easy for any player to clear it.

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CincyOSU's picture

That would be one hell of a slap in the face to every player he suits up with at LSU

I don't know that they would think that. EVERY SINGLE player has the goal to advance themselves professionally, whether it be in the NFL or in the working world. If the best course of action, to GUARANTEE yourself the best possible job placement, was to sit out a game(s) then I doubt those teammates would be too upset, especially they would likely make the same call. LF has been hampered by a nagging injury all season long, he has nothing left to prove. Why punish the kid for wanting to heal his body and protect his financial future. At least he had the balls to come out and say what he was doing rather than not playing because of an "injury".

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GnarlosHyde's picture

Oh well, he's not getting paid at LSU. If he can make millions - he should protect himself and worry about himself #1.

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CincyBuck's picture

NFL teams should look no further than Jadeveon Clowney if they want to see the risk of drafting a player with that mindset high in the draft.

Huh?  Clowney finished his junior year at SC, no (that is, he didn't leave the team early)?  Then again, that was a couple of years ago, so I might be forgetting.

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BigTom's picture

Meh, i remember when lecharles bentley and derek ross sat out the south carolina bowl game (which the bucks lost).   Both had injuries, both "could have" played.   If u even watched fournette play one game you wouldnt be crying about him not giving his team his all.   Dude was a warrior for lsu.   He is every teams, coaches, fans dream player.   If he was wearing scarlet and gray some of these posts would look a whole lot different.

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Cincy Thorpe's picture

Many people are forgetting that LSU already has a younger hungrier RB that has played really well this season. He might even be a better option then a 75% LenDog. They are ready to get the youngsters heisman campaign racheted up going into next season.

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bd2999's picture

If he is healthy it is not a good look. If he is dinged up and unable to play for health reasons than I do not have an issue with it. Seems that it is more of a team feeling than anything. I would prefer players play if they are otherwise healthy. A bowl game is another showcase for good players against what should be another solid team. 

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Cincy Thorpe's picture

Holy shit that is a shocker. Im patiently awaiting Deshaun Watsons tweet about sitting out the Fiesta so he can ensure himself the #1 pick. Didnt expect that out of McCaffrey considering he is about 80% of their offense and special teams.

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bucknut1994's picture

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

I think it's safe to say, Buckeye Nation would love for him to play one more game 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Its not surprising at all that Zeke is having the success he is.

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Fatpants's picture

I know of one way he could've played another dozen or so games. 

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GnarlosHyde's picture

I love Zeke but I call BS.  Like Fat said, he had an opportunity to play 12 more games with his brothers.  To say now that he got paid, that he'd go back and do it and risk injury, is bs.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

I think you are comparing apples to oranges but thats just me. It'd be different if Zeke sat out the bowl game against ND. 

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Il_Padrino's picture

To be fair; players sitting out is not new...

Michigan's offense and parts of their defense (e.g. Peppers) didn't play the entire 4th quarter versus Ohio State so they could be rested for the Orange Bowl.

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Urbanologist's picture

If he is already hurt, and could make things worse, then I agree that it is in everybody's best interest for him to sit. If he isnt hurt, and this is just a preventative action, well its selfish and goes against everything we have been taught about being part of a team. Simple as that.

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osu992's picture

It makes so much more sense in the context that Christmas is around the corner.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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