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Just think - our playoff Buckeyes will be even better next season.
Great work men - Congrats on the accomplishments.
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
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Congrats. Permanent part of the buckeye lore
I'd say Pat Elflein's move to center this year worked out pretty well for him - wouldn't you? It'll be interesting to see if Billy Price follows suit and moves to center next year (as many assume he will) - or if he departs early for the draft.
Speaking of next year - it'll also be interesting to see how many players we'll lose to the NFL - in spite of the record-setting draft class we had last year. For instance, it's conceivable we could lose 3/4 of our starting defensive backfield - even though two of those three are first year starters -
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers
It will be more than "interesting" to see how many players declare for the pros. One key to Saban's success has been convincing some very talented players to stay another year rather than enter the NFL draft early.
One player in particular would be Malik Hooker, who really could use more development and refinement at his position in spite of his obvious raw talent that we all enjoy watching. He has said emphatically twice that he is not leaving, but some have questioned his words.
And lastly, congrats to Malik-- and Elflein-- for becoming "unanimous" All Americans.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
Yes, SH. If a player isn't likely to be a first round pick - that's one thing. However, I imagine trying to convince a player to stay who may be a virtual lock as a first round draft pick places a coach in a difficult situation.
I mean, would the risk of incurring a major injury during the following season at the college level be worth the difference between late first round and potentially early first round money? That may be the kind of scenario Hooker and UFM will be evaluating next month.
For that matter - the same reasoning could apply to Marshon Lattimore. At least a couple of draft gurus have him pegged as a likely first rounder, too
Fundamentally, I agree with you. One year as a starter - even at an elite program like ours - may not be quite enough preparation to make the jump as successfully as it might have been made a year later. I'm thinking that would be particularly true for more difficult position to master - like safety -
Well at least with Hooker and Lattimore ... they're the ones doing the hitting and not getting hit themselves as much.
The advantage of playing another year in CFB is that they will play against every offense under the sun: Pro-style, spread-to-pass, power spread-to-run, air raid, etc. The NFL is more uniform.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Agreed. It's that risk of a major injury before the next draft. Otherwise, it might not be such a tough call -
I've watched Malik play, and I think you'd agree, Phi, we'd all agree, he makes mistakes and needs more development. Tho' not as extreme, he's similar to Cardale after his 3 games in the nat'l title run-- tremendous arm, but did he have the coaching and game experience to be a QB passer in the pros?
There's always that risk of injury-- that's a very important point you made. I think it esp. applies to Lattimore with his history of injuries.
Definitely showed his versatility, which teams will like. Guards make more than centers in the NFL so he'd probably prefer that, but having a guy who you could move around would be a plus to any GM.
Congratulations to all, especially Pat Elflein and Malik Hooker!
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How can this be for Hooker? Don't they know he wasn't even a Thorpe finalist?
Keep raking in those well deserved accolades young men. Bravo
Wordness to the turdness
Hooker has had an amazing year. It crazy how the spring game showed us what was about to come.
Theire is only one truth...
Malik Hooker had such an immediate impact early, opponent DCs 'adjusted' plays and fakes to and counter his excellent execution and anticipation. As a result, Malik got deceived or faked out a few times later on....
If Malik is able to sniff out Clemson offense deceptions, it may not 'show' but will make a great plus for our team. I recall what ND coach Weiss said of AJ Hawk in our 2005 bowl vs ND [paraphrasing]: "we tried every trick in our book to make him choose the wrong move and get out of position - he read them all...."
The chess match for Malik is ...ON!
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Unanimous has a nice ring to it. Congrats, Malik & Pat!!
That is quite a list being recognized, especially for the youngest team in college football. Special congratulations to Malik and Elflein. Great accomplishment, men!
That is awesome! What an honor to have trees planted in your name.
Lead, follow, or get out of my way!
so far... so good...
who wants to stop at 'next' ...?
who wants to FINISH... more?
Whoa...Elflien and Malik Hooker making all five All American teams, and throw in SI and ESPN as well.
And for McMillian and Billy Price to make the list as well, kudos as well.
What a team we in Buckeye Nation have. This will be never forgotten. Very proud.
Just bought a house in Colorado and one of the 'approved' trees in the neighborhood is the Buckeye Tree. Trying to talk my wife into letting me plant one, you know, to honor the all-Americans. She says they are dirty trees, so I will just make sure to plant it when shes not home.
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"Blood on the field" Kyle Kalis as a second team All-American? Do these folks watch the games?
Too bad for Raekwon and Cam - was hoping they would get their well-deserved trees but they never got on one first team.
Wait, What??? Second team All Big Ten qualifies your for second team All American?
Kwon will have to settle for a $10 million signing bonus in a few months. Poor guy :(
Kalis a second team AFCA All-American? Really ? Did they even watch game film??
Did they mistake him for Kahless from Star Trek?
Meh, he was a clone.
...and an ugly one at that.
Just like pee wee football, everyone gets a trophy.
More trees, please....Congrats to both.
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heres what i dont get. How does a unanimous first team all-american lose the thorpe to someone who is not even on the 2nd team ?
Doesn't that just say that snubs happen frequently? I would have given Hooker the Thorpe, but Adoree should totally be an AA too.
Jackson fits the classic "athlete" category. In fact, it will probably hurt his draft status.
Every All-America list every year has a couple of names on it that are truly baffling--no different this year. And some baffling omissions as well--not placing Curtis Samuel on a roster, coupled with putting peppers or kalis on that same roster immediately cheapens that AA team.
This is the best secondary we've ever had, it can't possibly get better than this.
*looks at 2017 recruiting class of 5-stars #7 overall player in the country Okudah, #22 Shaun Wade, and possibly #12 Danary Holmes*
Mother. Of. God.