Instacap: Florida Atlantic Stuns Ohio State, 79-77 in Overtime

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aznchipmunk's picture

Let's not be a team that gives up double digit leads. It's still early in the season and I have faith in this team.

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RedQueenRace's picture

So painful to watch these performances after the Virginia game.

It's so rare to get effort and good decisions and too frequently we see neither.

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eclectic_tastes's picture

I think they needed to lose this as a wake up call

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MDBuckeye2002's picture

Here's the problem with losing to these types of teams, they are exactly why you get left out of the big dance come tourney time.  This can not happen anymore, period.  A week ago there were some radio pundits stating that OSU would be as high as a 6-7 seed.  They played good ball against a good Virginia squad but lost a close one.  Now two bad games and 1-1 over the past 2.  Not good.

"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."

Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

20% from 3-point land is just plain bad.....

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JakeStevensIsSwag's picture

Can OSU offer Calipari like 20m/year?

If i could change my username, i would

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mtrotb's picture

No, we stuck with clown Thad.

mtrotb

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Homey1970's picture

Apparently you haven't realized that Calipari isn't a good coach.  He was mediocre, at best, until he hit a home run recruit in Rose and the one and done rule came along.  He just so happened to get the UK gig and has maximized the "one-complete-semester" rule at a blue blood.  If anything, he's underperformed with the number of 5* recruits that have played there.  

In comparison, coach K has done relatively well with his one-and-done talent...not that I'm advocating for him to come to OSU, which would never happen.

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SoulPatrol32's picture

Jack Tatum hates targeting penalties. 

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DrSpaceman's picture

My #take on the game:

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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Cooper's picture

I watch most games that are available to watch, but I can understand why no one goes to the games; they're hardly watchable on a television screen. I'll never stop supporting the Bucks, but man... this team is building a lot of apathy in me.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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infantrybuck's picture

Because Buckeye basketball has been unwatchable for the better part of 3 years.  Thank God the Blue Jackets are an absolute joy and pleasure to watch now

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TheShookster's picture

I am taking back the nice things I said about OSU hoops.

THERE IS ZERO REASON TO LOSE THIS GAME.

is it possible i was mistaken and the players last year weren't the problem?

JFC guys.

He ain't even stretch doe!!

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Andy Vance's picture

I am taking back the nice things I said about OSU hoops.

Lordy, Shook, if Coach has lost you, he's lost all hope. This must be serious.

Deadly Nuts's picture

Acting like Thads teams haven't gone to the shitter since Sully left.

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TheShookster's picture

Mr. Vance I'll gladly accept being wrong, but you are correct. I've obviously been a vocal thad supporter but I am questioning how I feel at the moment 

He ain't even stretch doe!!

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Andy Vance's picture

I feel for you, Shook, truly, because you've been fighting the good fight. We tend to be too knee-jerk as fans, and you've kept the cool head. But man, losses like this are harder and harder to swallow. Time and change, I suppose. Time and change.

SaltyD0gg's picture

I've loved Thad through thick and thin, but this is just unacceptable. Lack of recruiting, lack of consistent development of players, lack of winning. It's getting much harder to be a loyalist. The time for change is upon us.

Lyle is the most bi-polar players I've ever watched. Kam Williams is the best shooter I've ever seen that scared to shoot the ball. Loving looks like he is in slow motion all the time and hasn't hit a clutch shot his entire career.

It was so depressing to watch last night. At one point they called a timeout and Greg Oden was standing outside the huddle and all I could think about was how far this program has fallen. The talent gap between him and anyone on this team is so monstrous that it just made me sad.

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boras's picture

Just when I think they can't turn the ball over any uglier, they go and prove me the F**K WRONG!! my goodness. 3 turnovers in OT? Really?

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wyatt's picture

How about the turnover with 6 seconds in regulation? Not even getting a shot off?????  Inexcusable.

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buckeyestu's picture

Impressive. A loss at home, to a high school team.

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Enzo's picture

Is anybody really stunned?

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awlinBrutus's picture

I'm not. I'm hoping Thad gets this turned around. Something's been amiss in the program for awhile. But criticism of Thad and the program isn't allowed here. So I rarely comment anymore. 

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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Tree_Trunk's picture

I hate to be that guy, but it is clearly the coaching at this point. There is no excuse for the last three years and it's time for thad to go.

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ibuck's picture

Disagree. The coaches have done a lot to build confidence in these guys, but they are not listening, learning and applying.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

I hate to tell you, but getting them to listen, learn and apply IS coaching. Telling them what to do is academic, getting them to do it is academic. They lost 4 of 5 kids out of one recruiting class because they couldn't get them to buy in after a single season. That a systemic problem, not an exception. The staff made it sound like that was the root of the problem, but here we are a year later and the product doesn't look any different.

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DrSpaceman's picture

Have always been a staunch Thad supporter, but the team's record has gotten worse every year since 2012-2013. Last year's win vs Kentucky was amazing, but came with three blowout losses to Sparty in one season, too. Not saying we need to win the Big Ten every year (an obviously near impossible standard), but it would be nice to feel like we're in the running.

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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wyatt's picture

Can't recruit and can't develop. Pretty obvious to this old geezer. And with the arena looking empty, some others must think the same.

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SweetBabyDave's picture

Is it time for the Coach Jent era yet?

Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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original buckeye's picture

With all due respect to Coach Jent, OSU's athletic program can get a more accomplished coach.

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SweetBabyDave's picture

You are correct.. my question was more out of frustration. It's now 2 years in a row of losing to these awful teams, at home! This should not be.

Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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BELLEFONTAINEBUCKEYE's picture

I paid up for these tix and watched this horrible game while looking at empty seats! A change MUST occur!!!!! FUCK!!!!

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costinjr's picture

Out of curiosity, is this based off pay alone? This traditionally hasn't been a power house basketball team before Thad got here, with the one O'Brien outlier. I get money talks, but the same could've been said with Michigan after LLLloyd left, and they actually had tradition. 

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BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

NO.

I dont want anyone from this coaching staff. None. Clean sweep. Start over. No Luke Fickells on this coaching staff worth retaining for the next guy 

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original buckeye's picture

This team is awful--Loving still looks like he doesn't give a sh*t, Lyle is a turnover machine, and one of the only players who looks interested (Thompson) is about as uncoordinated as they come (on back-to-back-to-back possessions in OT, he missed an easy layup, had an easy defensive rebound bounce off his hands and out of bounds which gave FAU another chance which they converted, and then he followed that up with a dumb over the back foul that both put FAU on the free throw stripe and fouled himself out).  Pathetic.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Lyle can't run the point. How does a program on this level get caught with no point guard? OK, Harris transferred, but he was a borderline Big Ten player at best. It's not like Aaron Craft's and Shannon Scott's graduations snuck up on people.

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BELLEFONTAINEBUCKEYE's picture

^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

I keep saying it over and over. Put C.J. at the point and play Lyle at the off-guard....

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Waterbeagle's picture

Hey, watch it !  I said basically the same thing last week and was told I have no BB IQ by the BB snobs on here.  But I don't see them logged on to comments so maybe they are hiding.  

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IronPastor's picture

Who might you be referencing??????

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Waterbeagle's picture

Ssssssssh! No names please....I see one of them is logged on wondering why everyone is so negative.   Soooo, Hey how bout them Buckeyes!  These things happen....effort is not important.....Loving is looking great....I can really tell that Lyles has been practicing dribbling....I here we recruited someone who can walk and chew gum for 2018, so things are looking up!

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Buckybuckertin's picture

Lol. Last year I said "it may be time to start considering looking for a new coach." My comment was down voted into oblivion. So I'm going to not take the high horse and say, I told you so! Matta is not good! Empty arena, mass exodus of a recruiting class, and absolutely no developed talent, EVER! The state of the program shouldn't  be a surprise to anybody! It's been headed this direction for literally years. 

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Waterbeagle's picture

I think it changed when he started having the back leg problems.  Things seemed pretty good up til then.  There's been a drop off, no one in the seats and it's very hard to watch.  No flow to recruiting classes....happened with Obrien, just kinda thrown together.  I'll let the higher ups decide on that.

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buckeyestu's picture

What is next? A big raise for Matta while declaring what a great coach he is.

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RK84's picture

Mediocre players, being asked to be good players. Recruiting recruiting recruiting...

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Homey1970's picture

Are you talking about FAU b/c their mediocre players were coached tonight.

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Knarcisi's picture

It's becoming apparent that Thad can't reach these kids to motivate them, or recruit kids that already have some heart. 

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original buckeye's picture

I'll add to the list that I'm not sure I see a whole lot of talent out on the floor these days...

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Knarcisi's picture

There's talent. It takes a good recruiter to see beyond the stars and decide what is a fit for this program. We have no identity, especially offenisvely. 

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Homey1970's picture

Although I hope a change occurs, I just wonder how much Matta's disability has affected his ability to recruit, coach, etc.  Like him, I had failed back surgery (multilevel fusion) and now have permanent radiculopathy and radicular pain.  No way I could go hard at anything like I did just a few years ago and I'm in my mid-40s.

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BELLEFONTAINEBUCKEYE's picture

Excuses are like warm tissues.....Warm the buns and nose.....But the Doctors office visit = a plastic glove and a cold finger or two.....Lol

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TheVictoryBell's picture

I've thought the same thing about Thad. His health problems have to play a factor in the program falling off the last three seasons. A big time coach doesn't just suddenly forget how to coach. 

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Buckybuckertin's picture

He's just not bringing in top 5 recruiting classes anymore. I think he coaches the same, (poorly). He just doesn't have the elite talent anymore to cover it up

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Buckloving's picture

I have back issues myself and I can tell that people who have them don't realize how much the constant pain affects your life

bobbyd

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BlockO's picture

Lebron for head coach!

"faith seeking understanding” (fides quaerens intellectum)

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wyatt's picture

Curtis Samuel could probably coach better.

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cdub4's picture

Jabrill Peppers. He can do it all.

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stantmann's picture

Don't give michigan any ideas, he'll end up winning the naismith

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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Sanantonefan's picture

Can't even begin to defend this loss. I'll always root for the Bucks and was happy generally with their play through the Virginia game, but, jeez.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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ckennard22's picture

So for all you out there saying people are stupid for wanting to get rid of Matta, when is it enough? How many more games do we have to lose to the FAU's, and Louisiana Tech's of the world for it to "make sense" to get rid of Matta? When do we stop defending him for what he did 5-10 years ago? When is it ok for us to realize our athletic department is too damn good for this shit level of basketball? Please tell me folks. 

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BuckeyeBattleCry's picture

I completely agree. It's not like we had something terrible happen to our program like with football in 2010/2011 Thad Matta let this program go down hill on his watch. 

Im not expecting our basketball program to be on par with our football, but look at how fast the football program bounced back with the hire of a new coach. 

CARDALE JONES! CARDALE! JONES, THE WHOLE STATE OF OHIO IS COUNTING ON CARDALE JONES!

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Andy Vance's picture

I'm not expecting our basketball program to be on par with our football

See, that's part of the problem. We've generally accepted that "we're a football school," and let it go at that, never minding that other schools have learned to walk and chew gum at the same time. Florida during the Meyer/Donovan championship years, Izzo and Dantonio in East Lansing are consistent contenders, etc. 

Yes, there are a handful of "blue blood" programs in roundball that are the basketball equivalent of Alabama and Ohio State in football, but I'm not a fan of relegating our university to perpetual second-tier status because "we're a football school." This is THE Ohio State University - we shouldn't accept second-best at anything, darn it.

Knarcisi's picture

Amen, Andy Vance. Be the brand that is Ohio State. Endless brand. Endless resources. 

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SnooBucki's picture

Your on point! We can't accept mediocrity.

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erniefurgler's picture

Keep in mind Donovan had three straight 11+ loss seasons after winning back-to-back titles and a losing record his final year at Florida. Izzo has had seven 12+ loss seasons since '01, basically half of the seasons in the past 15 yrs....and their 5-4 now.  I know, MSU schedule is brutal, especially early on...didn't seem to help them beat #15 seed MTSU last year. 

My point: Good coaches has rough patches in their careers.  Heck even Dukes lost in the 1st round of the NCAA three times in a 7 yr stretch from 06-13.  Does this make OSU's past few yrs "acceptable"?  Of course not...but if Gene Smith pulls the trigger on a caching change, he better be 100% certain it's an improvement.  My biggest concern with OSU basketball is the recent inability to keep in-state talent. 247 2016 recruiting ranking, none of the top 7 players signed with OSU...including two 5* guys. 

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Andy Vance's picture

My biggest concern with OSU basketball is the recent inability to keep in-state talent. 247 2016 recruiting ranking, none of the top 7 players signed with OSU...including two 5* guys.

Acknowledging that football recruiting and basketball recruiting are different beasts due to the vastly different supply/demand issues at play, Urban Meyer will tell you that everything rises and falls on recruiting. It's the lifeblood of the program, so your points about coaches having rough patches, while accurate, are rendered somewhat irrelevant by your far more important parting shot.

awlinBrutus's picture

Wisconsin made the ncaa 14 years in a row and never worse then 4th in the BIG, think about that.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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SaltyD0gg's picture

Izzo loses early (to usually staunch competition) and wins in March when it counts. We've been losing early (to awful competition in many cases) and losing in March when it counts. That's the difference.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

"This is THE Ohio State University - we shouldn't accept second-best at anything, darn it."

Looking at you Gene......

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Buck68's picture

1-second best... is a lot better than we have been for years....

2-person who says The but wants Thee has bipolar zero-sum message.

3-FA stat example: now we complain about rebounding... we out rebounded FA.  We complain about turnovers... tied at 12.  We complain about FT shooting - 78% was our best this year.  Our floor shooting was average [42%], not bad.  Did i omit anything?  LOL. So... we lost be cause we "did the critical thing you just can't do and win"?  Gimme a break!

perhaps that's it... we are giving that guy in my mirror... a break.  People taking breaks during competition and training.  What a wonderful complement to the 'leadership' of 'who's to blame'.

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infantrybuck's picture

I disagree with you and most others on here.. The sooner you all realize Ohio State will never be Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, or UNC, it will put your mind more at ease.  Elite recruits don't want to come to a place where their program will always play second fiddle to football.. No college is a blue blood in both football and basketball for a reason, although US, MSU, TTUN, and Florida have had periods where it was close to that, never sustained with both

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Homey1970's picture

Don't care about the DVs.  The team has no scheme, no imagination, no ability to produce points, can't play defense, etc.  Relying on NBA-esque dribble-drives when you don't have the talent to finish is a recipe for disaster.  Maybe that's part of the reason the Schott seems to be emptier and emptier each year.  I'm done watching Matta.  Call me when a new coach is hired because I'm finished with the return of the Randy Ayers era.

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wyatt's picture

Looking forward to the next head basketball coach at The OSU.  Please Santa..................do your thing.

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BuckNutsinIndiana's picture

Lyle needs to get in check. he is not the guy we or he thinks he is. He should be the sixth man at best. Why cant we get a real PG to control the floor. I am done with these guys until they prove me otherwise. Sad representation of The Ohio State University 

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IronPastor's picture

That was a really strange showing tonight...10-0 runs followed by letting them back in with turnovers.  We must protect the ball and go with what's hot, not settle for shooting when we aren't hitting shots.

This will either motivate us and we will come out strong against UCONN or it could cripple us and we can struggle the rest of the season.  I hope it's the former.

It doesn't help when Tate/Williams go 5-20 tonight..

GEAUX BUCKEYES

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BuckNutsinIndiana's picture

FG% from the starters were pathetic

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ibuck's picture

It doesn't help when Tate/Williams go 5-20 tonight.

Buckeyes must learn how to pick up their games when the team's top 2 scorers struggle. Playing soft on D didn't help. 

I suspect some of the Bucks are still confused at times, thinking like this:

  What? You want me to pass the ball high to the 6'10" center near the basket, rather than a bounce pass below his knees? Who knew?

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

"What? You want me to pass the ball high to the 6'10" center near the basket, rather than a bounce pass below his knees? Who knew?"

You win the thread for this comment. Unfortunately, this is exactly what they do many times...

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jralvarez's picture

I didn't watch, couldn't find it on espn... so i'm not going to beat the guys up.  WAS it that bad?  I mean, playing like crap we were still up over 10 in the second half, again, didn't see the game...

I really think this is a make or break year for the program.

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Sanantonefan's picture

Agree with you on the importance of this year. I have been a Thad defender, but I just can't fathom this.

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BuckeyeBattleCry's picture

I can't understand why we can't put any teams away. Every time we build a lead against mediocre teams we let them go on a run and let them stay in the game. Also we always play down to inferior teams, we hardly ever blow anyone out.

Ive just about had it with Lyle, give me back an Aaron Craft type player who doesn't score a lot, but brings the energy and doesn't turn it over all the time. Their last basket never happens with a player like Craft guarding him.  

CARDALE JONES! CARDALE! JONES, THE WHOLE STATE OF OHIO IS COUNTING ON CARDALE JONES!

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RedQueenRace's picture

Lyle had 3 turnovers versus 9 assists.  He was not that bad.  The timing of his TOs was bad, which made him look worse, but imo the Bucks should never have been in the situation where they mattered that much in the first place.

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tcm1968's picture

Thad era low? With the loss and that crowd I'm not sure we've had a lower point in his career?

Just embarrassing. FAU runs and iso play at the end..LIKE EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE COUNTRY does.... and we do some sort of hot potato I don't want to shoot let's turn the ball over shenanigans... and why on earth won't Thad do 2 for 1 at the end of games/halves... drives me bonkers...

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SnooBucki's picture

I'm a Buckeye for life but I can't watch this shit show. Something has to change. There is no reason we shouldn't be a constant power in basketball too. Instead we lose at home to scrub teams

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Steve Earle Bruce Springsteen's picture

"Time and change will surely show..."

The North remembers.

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wyatt's picture

Make America Ohio State Basketball great again.  It worked for Trump

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Barfolomew's picture

Pros: Free throw shooting was much better!

Cons: Everything else

I really think they can beat very good teams if they're playing their best ball but they can lose to anyone on a bad day, as demonstrated tonight. They've been very inconsistent across the board, the team has a lot of work to do. Go Bucks.

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IronPastor's picture

Too all the people saying "I'm done watching," sorry, but you won't be missed.

If you only want to watch a team or a sport if they are winning...a true fan you are not.

But by all means, when we get back to being good, whether in the Matta era, or after, please be sure to tell me "how much" of a Basketbucks fan you are...and how you "follow" them.

Sad day...

GEAUX BUCKEYES

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IronPastor's picture

Btw, DV me all you want...it won't change my fanhood...nor how much I love Buckeye Nation

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

The "true fan" stuff is out of place. 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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IronPastor's picture

I live in SEC country, trust me, I know a lot about bandwagon fans...

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IronPastor's picture

Then explain to me why after a win...there are maybe 30 comments, yet after a loss there are more than 100 comments from people who never comment on ball threads..

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SaltyD0gg's picture

Do you think the scUM boards would have exploded with comments had they beaten Appy State? No, why would they, that's a game they should win 100% of the time. Rest assured those boards exploded when they lost and rightfully so.

Losses like this are inexcusable. I'm a true fan and these Buckeyes have been hard to watch the past 2 seasons.

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basketbuck3442's picture

No it's not. As he said and I said earlier. More fans come on here after a loss. Exponentially more comments because they have an axe to grind. A lot of the same people are the "I stopped watching after Aaron Craft left" crowd.

In my mind I have never left Mug Night...

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Homey1970's picture

If expecting a win against an inferior, 2-5 team, from a no-name conference makes me a fair weather fan, consider me guilty.

I don't always expect a win but I do expect a competitive, "winning" effort.  These Buckeyes don't have it and it's becoming more and more painfully obvious that they're never going to have it with the current coach.

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IronPastor's picture

I agree, we should have won this game, no excuses.  FAU hit about 6 highly contested 3s in the game.

My beef comes from the fact that before UVA, everyone was praising Thad and the Bucks for being undefeated...two losses later and it's #FireEveryone...

Last year we were 4-5 through 9 games...we are 7-2 currently and should have stolen one from the #6 team in the country in their gym.  If we crumble and fail to make the tourney again, I can see Thad being let go.  Yet, there is still a lot of basketball to be played and I guarantee if OSU turns it around and beats UCONN and if miracles occur and we beat UCLA, all the people calling for Thads head will be back to singing praises.  I just don't like the flip flopping that occurs...

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basketbuck3442's picture

I used to think Illini fans were the most unrealistic fans about their team...until I started reading this site. 

In my mind I have never left Mug Night...

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Homey1970's picture

Flip-flopping?  I can't remember when I had any positive comments about the BB team.  I usually don't post about them.

Also, I don't generalize and pre-judge with using terms like "everyone" to describe commenters whose opinions I disagree with.  That would seem like preaching.

To me, the basketball Buckeyes are becoming more like other OSU sports teams.  I don't watch them but I always hope they do well.  I turned this game off five times but, like a masochist, I kept turning it back on, hoping for a pull-away...to the bitter end.

If consistent half empty home courts and non-national broadcasts aren't subtly convincing you of the downturn, maybe nothing will.

Also, I didn't read in the commenting policy that every comment must be from behind rose scarlet colored glasses.

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IronPastor's picture

My bad, I should have rephrased my "everyone" to "most."  I hope you were not offended.

I am not looking with scarlet colored glasses, last night was rough to be nice about it and shouldn't have happened, but it did.  I'm reminded of a team in 2014 who got crushed by VT and "most" commenters went nuts....then 4 months later we were hoisting the Natty and people were back to "Oh we are so awesome" and "I never doubted."

All I am saying is yes, we should have won that game, no question, but last time I checked, there are still 22 games left to play.  If come March, we are mediocre and don't make the Tourney, sure let's talk about Thad going...but don't start it 9 games into the season.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Before anyone says "this is gonna happen with a young team," 56 of the 77 points tonight were scored by players in at least their third year of college basketball. There are younger teams scattered throughout the Top 25. 

It's becoming more and more apparent that we're about where Eldon Miller was in the fall of 1985, or Randy Ayers for pretty much his entire last five seasons. Fair minded people want to give Thad Matta the chance to turn this around, but at a certain point a program loses its mojo, and there's no coming back without a change at the top. It's all just delaying the inevitable at this point.

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brutus360's picture

Man, I cringed reading your post. Sadly, you may be correct.

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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faux_maestro's picture

Is the program down right now? Yes. Randy Ayers last 5 seasons? No fucking way.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Let me clarify that. Ayers stayed as long as he did because of a general attitude of, "He had the team winning once before; we don't want to give up on him as long as there's a chance he can do it again." But that was a vain hope. 

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Andy Vance's picture

This is sub-optimal. Yowzers.

Seriously, this is how you set a program back a decade.

costinjr's picture

Wait, you're saying we can set this program back a decade...

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GoBucksOSU's picture

Yeah, at this point, we would love to see the basketball team go back to 2006-07.

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GoBucksOSU's picture

I wasn't that mad until I went to ESPN to see that FAU is a 3-5 team. This is embarrassing. Last season I said that I would cut Matta some slack until this season. This season, we shouldn't be losing to 3-5 FAU teams at all, let alone at home.

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brutus360's picture

Ok, I didn't watch the game, but of all the stats listed, the ones I immediately looked for were how many turnovers did Lyle and Loving have? Apparently plenty, which they're good at. Sit both those guys. Neither play defense either.

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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SaltyD0gg's picture

Including the one that bounced off Loving's chest in the final possessions of the game and the one that Lyle turned over without getting off a shot that could have won it in regulation? Hold on, I'll get my calculator...

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

Take Your Pick

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

There needs to be changes made in this stale program 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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fastmoney's picture

At this point I would take Doris Burke as head coach over Thad Matta.

We owed Thad plenty of "benefit of the doubt" over the last few years, because he has taken OSU basketball to great heights during his career here, but there has been a complete inability to develop talent over the last 5 years. And for the last two years, the recruiting well is drying up too. Maybe we could see if Lebron wants to suddenly retire and try his hand at coaching college basketball? 

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pat00henry's picture

Jeez first missing Trey Wilson (expected) and now this... birthday went from slightly sad to a lot worse... 

New Jerseyan by birth, Buckeye by girth.

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Fuzzbuck's picture

Just no improvement from last year to this year at all. Is really tough to watch. By the end of the year everyone will know what needs to happen.

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BrutusB's picture

There isn't going to be a mid season coaching change, so comments about Thad are kind of a moot point. If this is a wake up call and the teams winds up being mildly successful this will be forgotten. If this is a sign of things to come then we've got bigger issues coming. 

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costinjr's picture

A. This game was terrible. Poor execution, turnovers, just bad basketball.

B. This team just hung with UVA @ UVA, which I don't think would have ever happened with last year's team (see @IU, @MSU)

C. This isn't the first time OSU dropped to a shit team (Findlay 2007)

D. Lyle is a Lyle-bility (GOD I'M CLEVER!) when he's on the court trying to "take over."

C. Without a true stud at the 5, Thad's teams have struggled, barring a Naismith candidate. Even Craft struggled without Sully. 

B. Member....member how Thad likes his teams to peak in February. I member. 

A. I don't think the sky is falling just yet.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

I have noticed this pattern:

When Matta has had All-American centers (Oden, Sullinger), he's contended for national championships.

When he's had All-Americans who weren't centers (Turner, Russell), we've been good, but at a level below national championship caliber.

When he hasn't had either one, we've been pretty forgettable.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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costinjr's picture

Agree 100%. It seems we don't have either this year, but who knows what Thompson or Potter can turn into. Dials had his learning curve.

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Hovenaut's picture

Is it too late to take back the NJIT over M...igan jokes?

Sigh.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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Knarcisi's picture

No, we can still have those. 

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the finkelstein boy's picture

Admittedly, I am a more of a casual fan of Ohio State basketball. I have followed the team the last few years and have to say that Thad Matta just isn't getting the job done. I am sure he is a wonderful man, he is certainely an accomplished coach and has been an asset to the program BUT the last few years he has had a stark drop-off in the quality of players he has recruited and, in turn, the results on the court have followed. Matta might be past his due date. At least that's the impression I've got. Might be time for new blood. A younger former assistant or hot coaching prospect to take what Thad has done well and make the program more competitive, less inconsistent.

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Spaceman77's picture

Every time time Lyle makes a turnover it seems to lead to a basket by the opposition. If this continues to occur it totally on the coaches who sit there and watch. Who goes behind their back in the paint on a drive to the basket? Coaches didn't care. Bullet pass from Lyle to Loving which was bobbles and turned over, coaches didn't care. For bad play to continue on the court all coaches have to do is nothing. Nothing is done bad play continues.

This Is A Journey!

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Nutinpa's picture

Just remember people:   Indiana Ft Wayne beat IU.   Two weeks later..........IU beats a really, really good, maybe great, UNC team. 

I know this team has its faults.....and they are many......but it's only December.  Lots of ball to be played.  

Off the ledge.....it's cold out here......

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SaltyD0gg's picture

If this was an exception, I'd agree. Sadly this is becoming the norm.

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

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BuckeyeDevil's picture

On a bad day, the Ohio State University basketball team should be able to beat FAU. So how awful must this be?

I have been neutral about Thad to this point willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But all along my thinking was that he had to do something this year. It isn't heading in that direction at this point. Sure IU lost to Fort Wayne but then again they beat UNC. Ohio State has no such victory for its resume' and it doesn't look like one is in the offing any time soon.

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rightfield's picture

This was a bucket of cold water in the face. I expected a different team this year. Out of words.....

Its good to be the king

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Firedup's picture

How about we recruit some damn Ohio kids! That's why this team has zero heart.  Lack of pride.  

Oh what could have been

Hayes, Kennard,Ward, King and Simpson  

"Making the Great State of Ohio Proud!" UFM

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IronPastor's picture

No offense...but Kennard was never coming to OSU...

GEAUX BUCKEYES

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IronPastor's picture

No, because when Duke comes calling...you go to Duke.  The same reason we pull the best talent out of state to OSU in FB....

GEAUX BUCKEYES

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SaltyD0gg's picture

I seem to recall Greg Oden on the sidelines last night...

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

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Spaceman77's picture

Every time time Lyle makes a turnover it seems to lead to a basket by the opposition. If this continues to occur it's totally on the coaches who sit there and watch. Who goes behind their back in the paint on a drive to the basket? Coaches didn't care. Bullet pass from Lyle to Loving which was bobbles and turned over, coaches didn't care. For bad play to continue on the court all coaches have to do is nothing. Nothing is done bad play continues.

This Is A Journey!

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Mute's picture

given the last few years is this really that stunning?

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vball10set's picture

Pathetic...OSU had been on a downward spiral the last four seasons. In all honesty, we need new blood to rejuvenate this program, starting at the top. Coach Matta's a good coach with a stellar reputation, but his tenure has run it's course. It's time for a change.

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ramymora's picture

I didn't watch the game, but the discrepancy between our football and basketball program has never been this great. On the one hand, we have a football program hauling in top recruiting classes and competing for national championships every single year despite losing assistant coaches and having inexperienced freshmen on the team. On the other hand, we have a men's basketball program that is struggling to just make the NCAA tournament. Are we not recruiting the right players? Is Lyle that most overhyped player in recent memory? We are losing recruits to Xavier, Butler, and other smaller schools. There's no sign of improvements anytime soon as I don't see great recruits coming and I don't see a coaching staff developing players better than they have over the last few years. 

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GoBucksOSU's picture

And to think that just 5 years ago when we hired Urban, it was the opposite. We had an amazing basketball team and a bad football team. The two programs have just gone in complete opposite directions.

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Nutinpa's picture

While that is true.....the "Bad football team" was only a 1 year situation, 2011.  It was hardly a trend.

As much respect as I have for Thad Matta, we'd be naive or downright foolish not to recognize that this B ball team has been in a downhill spiral for about 3 years no, getting progressively worse. With the exodus of players from last year's team, it should have signaled that something was rotten in Denmark, no matter what their individual circumstances were. 

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basketbuck3442's picture

What's sad is there are 2-3 times the amount of people on this site after losses than there are to talk about wins. Says a lot about our fans and this site. Bandwagon BS. 

There is nothing you guys want to do other than point the finger after a loss. Fickell, Matta... get a grip. If you really think Fickell still needs to be fired you need a lobotomy.

Dudes are banking in 40 foot threes, and throwing up left handed floaters off their back foot?! 

It was a bad game, lots of teams are having these games.  Stop playing the blame game and support your team.  

In my mind I have never left Mug Night...

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basketbuck3442's picture

So is the bandwagon 

In my mind I have never left Mug Night...

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BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

ive supported thad matta since he was hired (my soph year at Ohio State) and I was there when no one wanted to go to games (kind of like right now)

the game vs illinois is one of my most cherished college experiences.

so im not sure what this bandwagon is you speak of, but you sound like youre ok with being a mid to low tier B10 hoops program. Sad. 

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basketbuck3442's picture

I was on the floor that game too...as well as for Wisconsin. Our fans really haven't been there. Blame the schott...blame the team...our fans are awful. 

Our team deserves better fans. Not ones who only come on here after a loss. It's a joke. We still have over 20 games to play and people are calling for a Les Miles. 

In my mind I have never left Mug Night...

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BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

the fans were there when the recruiting was up to par, and the wins

blame the guy making $3.5 million a year with bonuses and incentives 

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Waterbeagle's picture

I've been watching the Bball games since the 60s.  Hardly miss one.  There is plenty to comment about after the wins.  Most of them are unimpressive.  You can still see issues.  You hope it's a turning point but it's not.  I think people are beginning to tire of the poor brand of BB that's being put on the floor th last 3-4 years.  It's hard to watch.  Who knows what they are trying to do on the offensive end.  

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Ridiculous this team cannot make free throws year after year. My 13 year old shoots 70 percent in middle school games. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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basketbuck3442's picture

77 percent today. That's not why they lost. 

In my mind I have never left Mug Night...

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Thad's recruiting failures in recent years are really catching up to him. Loving is our only senior and he's an empty uniform. I'm starting to think Lyle might be a bust. Diop getting hurt hasn't helped this team but guys like Tate and Kam Williams cant carry them alone. I hate to say this but if we lose 12-15 games again I think Thad is gone. When we're at our best we thrash teams like this by 20+. Who the fuck is FAU?

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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raiders91sc's picture

Matta = Foster.  Time to move on. 

Anyone and I mean anyone can win 20 games at tOSU. Biggest sleeping giant in the country. 

After Matta's first 5yrs I thought he was the man.  Then we found out he can not coach or recruit. 

Got lucky with IU being down and stole Oden and Conley.  Then Sulley lived 5 miles from the gym.

I will give him credit for Turner.  Great junior class in Ohio that we wont lose if we make the move now. 

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basketbuck3442's picture

He made a F4 8 years after he started here. Was that just luck? 

We were calling for Thad to be fired that season too. 

Our fans are unrealistic. 

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Nobody was calling for Thad to be fired 3+ years ago. Tonight is the first time I have felt like Thad probably has to go.

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basketbuck3442's picture

That's not true at all. We had some mid year struggles before that run to New Orleans and everyone was an expert all of the sudden. 

In my mind I have never left Mug Night...

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jralvarez's picture

ME ME ME!!!  I was... Matter of fact it was after our last Elite 8 run....  I'll spare you the reasons...

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Sevenandcounting's picture

Deangelo Russell was a good get. Having 4 players leave last year was the last straw for me. Think about it like a company. If you go in for an interview and everyone is running for the door you won't get any quality people to join. I'm fairly certain this is the final year and the Chris Jent is going to be the coach after they had brought him back. Thad must be tired, he's got to be. It's an incredibly demanding job and guys that do it for a long time on top are few and far between. 

Because I couldn't go for three...

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basketbuck3442's picture

As of today two of those guys who transferred last year have transferred again. I'll take the 4 we have this year over last year. 

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Sevenandcounting's picture

Well that would speak to the quality of person you are signing on to a scholarship in the first place. But at the end of the day it's a wasted year and hole in the roster. Slice and dice it anyway you want. 

Because I couldn't go for three...

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

The change in direction at the top, has to come from the top if needed. The AD has some analysis to do and I hope he does it in a timely fashion. This was quite embarrassing but kudos to FAU. They never stopped playing hard.

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basketbuck3442's picture

A good chunk of power 5 players that transferred in on this FAU team. Clemson, Auburn, Oklahoma etc. They came in with some talent and a chip on their shoulder. They didn't play like a 3-5 team.

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Homey1970's picture

And we have a roster full of P5 talent (plus a lower level transfer), didn't play with a chip on the shoulder and looked like a 3-5 team.  Your point?

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Sevenandcounting's picture

Basketball is a crazy sport where you really only need two guys to have a top 10 team and one player to have a very solid team. On the same side of that if you don't have one of these guys you are hopeless. I mean defense and free throws will take you further than it should since these kids can't knock down open shots even if they play on top teams. I just don't see anything in the pipeline or any signs of hope. It's hard to watch college basketball in my opinion and this is very hard to watch. 

Because I couldn't go for three...

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McGrind's picture

Can Malik Hooker play point? And maybe Feder to clog the lane....

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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james allen's picture

Why do people complain about incompetent games like this one?  Isn't it worth a million dollar coach's salary?

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

I am bitterly disappointed...

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Homey1970's picture

Your handle and comment are perplexing, to say the least.  Your name isn't, perhaps, Woody Harbaugh, is it?

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

lol.....No, I just forgot to use the sarcasm font is all........

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TheVictoryBell's picture

What a pathetic loss tonight. It's unreal how this team loses every lead they get, no matter the situation. I'm not quite on the "Fire Thad" train yet, but I'm starting to entertain the thought. Can't believe this team didn't improve on turnovers when it was exactly what beat them against Virginia.

Uconn on Saturday is a must win.

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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BuckeyesMJ's picture

I've always supported Thad, but I believe the locker room needs a new voice. It's time. I'll be shocked if this group is anywhere close to .500 in the B1G. 

Archie Miller anyone? 

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BuckeyesMJ's picture

As for the game, pathetic that we don't even come close to getting a shot off at the end of regulation. Curly Lyle out there dribbling thru 3 guys, behind his back, trying to be the hero instead of drawing defenders and then kicking it to an open shooter. I can't even start on Loving, well ok, he's our only Sr, dude should be leading, playing with fire, on the floor for loose balls etc. I seriously can't wait until he's gone. Show some enthusiasm dude!!! There will be a day when you wish you still had that buckeye jersey on. We don't have 1 pure shooter on the team! Loving......good grief 

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smith288's picture

Havent been interested or intrigued by OSU basketball since Sully.... Half the problem is that Thad is trying to win with people who will stay rather than 5 stars who will leave after a year but it's not translating at all.  This team is an absolute snooze on the surface and straight up ambien to watch.

The down vote is a mighty tool. Use it on idiots, not differing opinions.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

To think, not even a week ago, these guys should have beaten Virginia on the road.  

Since then, they've played 85 minutes of basketball, and like...10 of it has been good.  What happened?  

Class of 2010.

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BuckeyefromDayton's picture

If it doesn't work out this season, I expect Archie Miller getting a phone call from Gene Smith.

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BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

I cant get this bit out of my head

""The Owls entered the game with a 2-5 record, with losses to Hawai'i, Hofstra, SIU Edwardsville, Tennessee Martin and Texas State."

and people here are saying "stay calm, its a long season"...lol

=( 

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mntfarrell's picture

Totally agree with you 0509.  I had a positive slimmer of hope....not so much now.  Probably the "Browns Fan" genes in me...expect a dumpster fire and then you won't be dissapointed.

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buckeyeinWI's picture

Not sure who is to 'blame' (coaching or players).  Probably lot's of both to pass around...

disappointing at best at this point.  I expected (and hoped for) much better...

Starting to look like a repeat of 2015-2016...  :(

15-1 is SWEET!

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