What's next? Cheer like hell for Wisconsin, leave no doubt.
Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.
Either way, it makes OSU look good..
I don't think either way... a strong showing by PSU over Wisky could be enough to sway logic on who get's in from the BIG.
Add in a Washington and Clemson win and you really have a debatable topic on if OSU should be in.
According to insiders close to the process, here is the most likely scenario's and their outcomes... obvioulsy scenario #4 leaves the door wide open for a doomsday scenario for the CFP committee
If Oklahoma and Wisconsin win there respective conference championships. Then OSU should get into the playoffs. ( Bama, Clemson, OSU, Washington)
If both lose, then OSU should be left out....(Bama, Clemson, Penn St., Washington)
If Washington or Clemson lose in thier CCG... Then the big deserves 2 in the playoff.
If Washington and Clemson both lose ... then Bama, OSU, BIG CCG winner, and all 2 loss teams plus western michigan should be entered in a lottery and see who gets lucky for the 4 seed
I don't apologize for anything. When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there. - Woody Hayes
But cheer for them to win 2-0 in a display that sets football back decades. I feel like that would be best.
VT beats Clemson, no need to be cheesy here.
Mach11 with hairball on fire
We beat the skunk weasels. That IS what matters.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
This^. 365 of bliss..
Absolutely! Let's keep things in perspective:)
"Why didn't we run Zeke?"
Lost the one game that we couldn't - just like last year. Talk about bad luck.
"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman
Bad luck or bad play calling, not complaining but it comes down to execution.
What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.
Losing to Michigan was the one we couldn't. We won what matters.
Seriously, Wisconsin loses 2 conference games and they clinched before playing their last game. That's why only making conference championships matter for the CFP is a fool's errand: conferences, and even more so divisions, are not balanced. That's why I think in the end there should be two B1G teams in the playoff and Washington should be left out. Sorry, maybe next year they should play a schedule with a pulse. Anyone with half a brain can tell the PAC 12 is worse than the B1G.
Ohio State already beat Wisconsin. So if PSU lost today that would have meant Ohio State had to play Wisconsin again to claim conference champs. PSU got obliterated 49-10 by the team Ohio State beat today. psu got beat by Pitt. 2 losses and an easier schedule for the Lions.
No way should a 2 loss team get in over a 1 loss team.
Ohio State is in.
This was my argument earlier in the week. Spot on.
We need a 8 team playoff
No we don't. We just need them to pick the best four.
I would like to see an 8 team playoff as well, that way all conference champions from the Power 5 are in and some at-larges, like a Western Michigan could have a shot.
I'm not sure why you got DV'd for expressing an honest opinion?
"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."
Dude. They will not have automatic bid. NCAA doesn't want and ESPN dropped their bid a lot if that's the agreement. Money was and will continually will be with 4. Money wins most of the time.
Sorry, Dude, but If florida were to somehow beat alabama or VT were to beat clemson they would be automatic? That's not a playoff, imo, that's a mistake. Four works if it is the best four (last year it was not). If it is eight, it needs to be the eight best, not the conference champs.
One thing the B1G should consider is breaking the big games up so they all don't land in late October and November.
I think 6 is the best number
conference champs + one wildcard. Top 4 get a bye. First game b/t 5-6 is on campus of #5.
Even with a 6-team playoff, there should be no automatic spots for conference champs. The commenter above you (Mr. Green) raised the main reason why: in no playoff format should 3-loss Virginia Tech or 3-loss Florida be able to have automatic playoff spots. Now, I have zero expectation that V-Tech or Florida will win their conference championship games, but if they were to win they would not be deserving of automatic inclusion in a 6 or 8 team playoff.
It seems to work for the NFL. There really needs to be a set in stone if you do this your in the playoff situation. If we had a 8team playoff you win the conference your in. That eliminates the popularity contest and personal opinion of some dumb ass committee. I call BS if you don't think they can make $$ on 8 teams.
But it doesn't really work for the NFL. The NFL has teams with mediocre and occasionally losing records get into the playoffs, all because they win their division. There is no reason that teams with unimpressive records should have the opportunity to compete for a championship, but in the NFL that is the case.
I am a New York Giants fan. The last Super Bowl the Giants won (2012) was in a year where they went 9-7 but won their division. Then, they got on a hot streak in the playoffs and beat the Packers (who went 15-1 that year), the 49ers (13-3 that year), and then the Patriots (13-3). One could argue that the Giants "earned" that Super Bowl because they beat out the 3 best teams in the league back-to-back-to-back. Those were impressive wins, but it could be argued that they had no business being in the playoffs with those teams. If the Giants were so good, why did they lose 7 games in the regular season, in a mediocre NFC East division? The Giants were clearly not one of the elite teams in the NFL that year, and yet they still got an automatic right to play for a championship? That doesn't make much sense. Playoffs should be reserved for the teams that prove to be elite.
The College Football Playoffs should never be expanded to include automatic conference champions, because that simply opens the door to undeserving teams having the right to win a championship. That is silly.
I don't usually look to Finebaum, but
Incredible win by Ohio State. One of the best ever. There is no way Buckeyes can be left out of playoffs. None.
— Paul Finebaum (@finebaum) November 26, 2016
The eyes ears have it!
May picks Ohio State to win, then this?
Like I don't even know this world anymore.
What's next, are you going to tell me that Penn State is going to play in the B1G Championship Game?
Hahahahaha, so true.
You may not like the Buckeyes, but you cannot deny their greatness year after year!
Maybe this is a sign MM is recovering. The high of trolling the Bucks might be wearing off?
You win with people
Everyone talks about conference championship mattering but isn't the point of this committee to get the 4 best teams in? Call me a homer but what's the answer to these 2 questions:
Other than Alabama, who would you bet your mortgage on to win it all?
Who would Alabama least like to play?
Answer: Go Bucks.
I would imagine them seeing JT throwing would have their mouths watering.
I'm just starting to come down from yesterday (you know, just a little) and now I don't know what planet I'm on now that I've seen this.
Show them Ohio's here.
Washington, Clemson, and Penn State all win out and I think there is a good chance we miss the playoff.
even if penn st beats wisky, they still have two losses. they have a much harder road to the playoffs than the Buckeyes.
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
Hopefully we will not have to find out.
Hopefully CFP learned their lesson last year watching MSU get blown out in a super boring game. If you're going to put a team from the big ten in the playoff it better be coached by someone that can handle big games and that means Urban.
That was definitely with buckeyes glasses on. They have the head to head and would have the crown AND just crushed a team that almost beat us last week. Perception is on their side.
“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”
Why does this have so many DVs?
i might be in the minority, but I was in a thread the other day and brought up TTUN being good and benefitting the Buckeyes this year as a reason to want them to be good. Someone replied that just beating TTUN was enough. I completely agree. I'm 100% satisfied right now, with or without the playoff. The Buckeyes lost to the wrong team again. Simple as that. And not to mention, this years team is good, but not great. They have their flaws. Could they play with Bama? Probably. I think the D would give Hurts all kinds of problems, but I don't know if we'd get the result we all want. Not a concession in any way, but if you told me at the beginning of the season, that the youngest team in the country would go 11-1, with wins at Wisky, Sparty and Norman, and home wins against Nebraska and TTUN, I'd say no way in hell. That's a successful season, and what amounts to really almost a down season for Urban.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
I agree with you, and I'd also say that 11-1 team sounds like it's headed for the playoffs.
remember that they look at the full array of common opponent outcomes. The Big Ten Championship will serve to complete the circle of TtUN, PSU, Wisconsin and OSU combinations. If PSU beats Wisconsin, then they will be 2-1 against the other 3 teams as wIll ttun and us. It has to come down to resume.
I count 4 OSU wins against top ten opponents for the Bucks (ttun, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Nebraska - at the time we played them), although Chris Fowler said 5 last night. Ttun has 3, and PSU will have two. That's a huge difference, and let's see if ttun stays in front of Wisconsin and PSU on Tuesday. That will be a major signal in my opinion.
Solid argument except for the 'at the time we played them part' . You need to see the season play out before you can really evaluate how tough a schedule is.
Stanford,Tennessee, and Notre Dame were in the AP Preseason top 25
"You can never pay back, but you can always pay forward."
I don't see how a 2 loss PSU team jumps a 2 loss UofM team that won the head-to-head matchup by 39 points. That's your blocker right there.
There's no points for second place, gentlemen.
We in ! Book it.
Wordness to the turdness
FWIT, Urban has only won 1 Big 10 Championship in 5 seasons here.
I am bitterly disappointed in this comment. I couldn't be more clear.
I see what you did there!
You could argue that's it's only 4 seasons. The Bucks were ineligible his first year even though they went 12-0.
And one National Championship!
I doubt Ohio State misses the playoff, but if they do, they have no one to blame but themselves. What makes college football great is that one loss can forever shape or end a championship run.
Pasadena is not a bad consolation prize should they miss the playoffs...
If I wasn't already going to be in New Orleans, I'd be calling dibs on your couch.
First, let me say I agree with the statements in your comment. However, why, as Buckeye fans, are we so self-depracating when it comes to losing a game? Just like everyone else in the country, we should be able to look at our body of work without having to say that we have ourselves to blame. 'Bama usually loses a game somewhere along the way, and everyone has this attitude that, "hey, they're 'bama". They get a pass. We are the youngest team in the country. We lost one game. ONE GAME! On the road, at night, on a blocked kick. If we punt that ball (not saying we should have) we are probably 12-0. Remember when we were all wondering how Norman was going to go? Now, we can't forgive a young team for letting one game slip away? Put the Bucks in! Without apology!
I think people forget that Bama lost to LSU in the regular season then somehow got to play them again in the national championship...
Not arguing your point, 4, but the Buckeyes all too often this season, have failed the "eye test". Bama steamrolls its opponents and we have all too often, won by the skin of our asses.....and I don't mean yesterday. But narrow wins vs. NW, INDY and Sparty were bad looks, weather conditions aside. There is a lot of talk in this thread that we are "in".....but my inner Lee Corso, says, "not so fast, my friend". We need to wish for a WI win on Saturday night and some added mayhem would not hurt. Or we could wind up being the TCU or Baylor of two years ago.
Today was the real B1G championship game.
If i could change my username, i would
It certainly determined who the best team in the B1G is.
First to win the CFP title. First to win the CFP title without winning its conference. #trailblazers
Rooting for South Carolina and Utah here in the next couple hours.
Hopefully FSU and Florida can somehow both lose.
nobody can match our body of work. we in.
What's next, ye askedth.....The playoffs, my son. The playoffs. Ask and Ye Shall Receive!
Really? Playoffs, baby!
Go Badgers, Hokies, Buffaloes or Trojans!
I think we're in regardless, but a Penn State lose would ease my concerns.
It is honestly statistically improbable that this keeps happening.
In the past several years Ohio State has lost the one game it couldn't and gotten zero help from other teams. It's the same reasons for the Rose Bowl droughts in the 00's and continued with Urbs and the lack of B1G CCGs.
In the end, it's much better to lose too bad team than a good one.
They spent their karma in '07
Enjoy the W, the cards will fall where they will. We just witnessed an unbelievably amazing win, to cap off an unamaginable season by a young team with no where to go but up. It is a great time to be a Buckeye!!!
“We don’t get paid to kick field goals!!!” -UFM
Pretty much this, really. We can't control the committee, so enjoy what there is to enjoy- beating Michigan. Again.
Ohio State is in. I really want Washington or Clemson to lose and then Penn State to win and get in also. The committee will match Ohio State and Penn State in the semifinals to avoid an all BIG CFP Championship. REVENGE!
^^^^^^ This is exactly what I was thinking^^^^^^ +1 Sir
I don't know that they'd match two B1G teams in a semifinal game, I think they'd be concerned about low ratings for an intraconference matchup.
I have to agree here. I think they would match up PSU and Bama because I think they want to see OSU and Bama in the title game.
...and Michigan still sucks.
Maybe South Carolina can catch lighting in the bottle tonight and knock out Clemson.
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
This is a scenario that you could feel coming. All bias aside, I simply don't believe Penn State is better than us. I wasn't sold on their win over us. I will say though "that Penn State has improved considerably since being blown out by TTUN." Some on ESPN are already stating "that we are out because we aren't even in our Championship Game." Our Buckeyes have won some big games and been up against it this year. It was a great win today.
I just don't trust the precedent set by the committee to guarantee we're in. A little help from anyone playing Clemson, PSU, or Wash and we're in for sure
I still don't like the concept though of the Big 10 Championship. I mean what are we saying right now, that the 3rd and 4th best teams in our conference are playing for a championship. It needs to be set up so that the 2 highest ranked teams play in the championship. You have a 2 loss Penn St. and a possible 3 loss Wisconsin playing to determine who's the best in the conference. Just doesn't make sense to me even if we get an extra week to rest for the playoffs.
Lucky Buckeye 13
Maybe they should be more like the NFL, and first of all, look at the overall record. If the overall record is tied, go to conf record. If that's tied, then look at the head to head.
It feels like they just played the Conference Championship.
That's exactly why I think they don't do it. Could you imagine us having to play this game again next week? I believe they think it would take away from the prestige and dramatic implications that The Game creates by only playing once a year.
It's kinda weird too since the teams all play different conference schedules. Big 12 honestly has the best system where every team plays each other. Smaller conferences are better imo
Funny this is brought up. because I remember the thread when the Big 12 announced they would handle their Conf Champ Game this way, and there were a lot of opinions about how they are such a joke for doing that.
Root for Utah to beat Colorado. Then USC will beat Washington again in the Pac-12 championship.
Or if Colorado wins over Utah, root for Colorado to beat Washington in the Pac-12 championship.
why? ohio state being one of the 4 best in the country doesn't have anything to do with those games. I think they stay at #2.
You may be confident that we will be a solid 2. But you have no idea how the committee is going to rank OSU next week. If Washington loses, it all but locks Ohio State in the CFP regardless of what happens.
It's just another safety net.
ESPN's bean counters will say we're in.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
A change needs to happen in determining the divisional champ. The divisional champs should be based off of the overall record and not the divisional record like the NFL. The way it currently stands, a 6-6 team (who won all of their divisional games and lost all others) could get in over an 11-1 team who loses 1 divisional game. Why base the winner off of a smaller body of work rather than a bigger one?
It's conference wins first not divisional wins
Downvote for complaining about a system that does not exist. Get it straight.
All conference games count equally in determining conference standings. Your scenario is wrong, the 6-6 team (who would be 6-3 in conference but 6-0 in division) would not go. Their conference record be 6-3, while the other team (the 11-1 team) would be 8-1.
That non-conference games do not count for conference standings is not a reasonably attackable set-up or system.
The point was (despite being wrong about divisional wins), is that over all record is a better indicator of who the better team is than just conference wins. It's a bigger body of work. The NFL uses this system to determine its division winners and nobody ever complains that the wrong team won
You think non-conference games should count. Conference standings?
You think non-conference record should be a higher tie-breaker than head-to-head.
Penn State and Ohio State both went 8-1 in the big 10, and they beat us. All the complaining nature them in the championship game is a joke.
Quit being a downvoting douche bag. Here's an upvote bc people can have differing opinions without being a child
I think the big issue with that is that ooc sos can be so wildly different. Would you want to penalize a top 10 loss more that a sun belt team win?
You make a fair point. I would say strength of schedules vary a ton anyway. But I suppose in this scenario, it would encourage teams to have weak out of conference games
Upvote for you for good conversation
Gotta root for Wiscy now next week. And VT. And Colorado/USC.
If Utah wins this game be Colorado, I think USC will kick the crap out of Washington, again.
Fields of Dreams
why? I think ohio state is in regardless.
I don't want any excuse not to put us in the playoff and I'd love to see two B1G teams get in just to piss off the SEC.
I feel sorry for PSU coming into the Shoe next season. 63-14 on tap for them in the Blackout Game.
What if the Gators step up and beat The Tide?
You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight.
it shouldn't matter - they're easily one of the best 4 teams......oh, hell - it's ohio state and bama as the best 2 and everybody else fighting for what's left.
Tide is in regardless. The only thing that would do would be to give UF a shot if they get past FSU tonight.
You are on to something. Better root for FSU.
there is a potential that we will have beaten two Conference Chanpions in Wisky and Oklahoma. It's going to be really difficult to keep the Buckeyes out of the Playoffs.
The Skunk Weasels are probably over on MGO saying. But if you only lose by 3 you should still get the WIN.
I almost want to go over there and look, but, NOT!
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
Some of them actually believe they still have a chance to make the playoffs
Do I know where I'm going? Absolutely. We're going to the playoffs.
It is not automatic as some would suggest. The ACC Champ Clemson is in, if they win out? The Pac 12 Champ Washington is in if they win out? Wisc or PSU? I don't think so. At least not the way the committee has operated to date. I think the only way we get in is if either Clemson or Washington fail to win their respective championships.
Washington has the 3rd worst strength of schedule in all of college football. - their OoC schedule is Rutgers, Idaho and Portland st. Clemson has only 2 wins vs top 25 teams - Louisville and fla st - and those don't look that good now plus they should have lost to nc state.
even if bama loses next week, ohio state and Alabama will be @#1 and 2 in playoffs - the other teams left will be fighting for the other 2 spots.
Some people just have to piss in your corn flakes, despite all evidence being to the contrary.
BTW, the committee's historical precedent spans all of 2 seasons. Not even long enough to establish a tendency, much less a rule of operation.
This team, in my humble opinion, has overachieved tremendously. I believe they will be in the playoff, but if not, I'm goddamn proud of these kids and what they have accomplished this season. They took haymakers from everyone and managed to only lose one game under a set of flukish circumstances.
Wish I could upvote this into oblivion! Regardless of what happens we did it with the youngest team in America! Props to EVERYONE on this team!
Bo NEVER won a national title!
ohio state is in. they're #2 now and no team could have a better win (#3 Michigan) this week or next. they have more wins vs current top10 teams than Alabama, Clemson, and Washington COMBINED. I don't see how they could be left out.
We get another 365 days of enjoying TTUN and their fans going further into the pit of despair.
I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
I dont wanna hear ANYTHING about "You didnt win your conference, you dont deserve to go to the playoffs" Sometimes the best teams dont win their conference, it happens. I mean OSU would be in Indianapolis next week if they lost to Indiana and beat Penn State. They won the tiebreaker but that doesn't mean they are the better team, you have to compare the full resume and theirs simply does not stack up. Their 2 losses can't be erased, their 39 point loss to Michigan can't be erased either.
Sometimes the best teams dont win their conference, it happens.
Or in this case, neither of the two teams that are clearly the best in the conference will even get to play for the conference championship.
But the truth is, the world is so much stranger than that. So much darker. And so much madder. And so much better. -Dr. Who, "Love and Monsters"
The best two teams in the B1G will be at home next week. Thanks, Michigan, for losing to Iowa.
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Or urban could have called a timeout...
Or if Corey Brown had only lost his mouthpiece!
For the record, I do not think conference championships or lack thereof should be a criteria at all, as the strength of the conferences varies greatly, and frankly, it is not only possible but likely that in any given year at least 2 of the 4 "best" teams in the nation will play in the same conference.
I would like to point out, however, that many OSU fans took the counter position when it came to the Bama/LSU rematch a few years back. Bama was clearly the (2nd) best team that year and deserved to play for (and win) the national title.
In case if we're out of the playoff, the playoff committee should take into consideration and not forget that the reason we lost to PSU was that we played at very, very loud and white out Happy Valley. Everyone know that if PSU and tOSU play at a neutral site, we'd whip them.
I'm not sure if the committee takes this into account but we also had to play in two consecutive hostile environments after they BOTH had a bye week. That extra week of preparation really helped both teams IMO.
Because I couldn't go for three. -- Woody Hayes
Also, F Michigan and Harbaugh.
Also, Peppers is a good athlete and special teams weapon, but he is far from a difference maker on defense, and far from a hiesman-worthy player.
Dear scummers, you just lost in our best chance for awhile, you had over 40 seniors and we had over 40 freshmen today. 12 out of 13, with the only loss being a coachless 2011 squad. Our last 2 actual coaches are 14-1 against UM.
Also, Kyle Kalis, you just became the losingest player in the history of the rivalry. 0-5. Nice choice pal.
future is bright at OSU and dim up north
I dont often hate, but when I do...I hate _ichigan Wolverines. Stay victorious my friends.
I sure hope Clemson, Washington, Alabama or Penn State, although I'd like to think we would beat one of those teams, anyway.
Thing is, while I understand head-to-head, it's just one of many factors, and for all of the naysayers suggesting that Ohio State's lone loss is somehow unforgivable, I want to know why Penn Stat's loss to Pitt is somehow forgivable?Oh, and getting slaughtered by Michigan?
And for God's sake, DON'T even bother to tell me that Penn State did what it took to go to the B1G Championship. I know that. Everyone knows that and they're getting due credit for it with a trip to Indianapolis. BUT...
The Committee IS NOT BOUND by B1G Ten rules. They're not charged with fielding or crowning a B1G Champ. Their standard is NATIONWIDE, which means, yes, a non-conference loss to Pitt really matters.
They value championships and head-to-head results, as they should, but always in the context of TOTAL body of work per a host of other factors, too, i.e., difficulty of schedule/quality of opponents/conference + non-conference record + number and nature of wins + number and nature of losses + stats + eye test, etc. So...
Go Badgers! Let's put two B1G teams in the playoffs. Penn State can go to the most boring and over-rated game in college sports (possibly all sports), namely, the tacky annual Pac-12 home game known as the Rose Bowl.
In any case, they haven't won the conference championship, anyway. I'll grant that they've improved, but I still think Wisconsin is the better team, and if the Badgers win, it takes the head-to-head argument off the board.
bank it, we will NOT make the playoffs. PSU will beat Wisky and get in over us, see TCU from 2014 or same reason last year, lost to wrong team.
Secondly, did u watch the same game as me, our offense was dismal. I love me some JT but dude cant throw right now for some reason.
If we go to CFP we will be this year's MSU in the playoff.
Down vote me all u want but sometimes the truth hurts #harsereality.
I agree with you. I just don't see OSU getting in the playoff this year. I also agree that our offense just isn't clicking this year consistently, something is off. We were extremely lucky to win the game today and I don't believe the better team won.
"In America, anyone can become president. That's the problem." George Carlin
The conference championship game was just another data point to validate Ohio State, not the differentiator. The Buckeyes got into the playoff in 2014 over TCU and Baylor because both Big 12 teams played nobody.
Imho, IF we don't get in, that paves the way for an 8 team playoff.
its what is needed, as much as i hate the whole state of _ichigan that Western team should have a chance to crack the CFP. And that is why it needs to be 8, let the small guys have a chance
The committee is gonna screw up and just worry about conference championships. We have a better resume then anyone in the top 10 minus Alabama. They won't care about any of that. Just the conference championships. The CFP committee is flawed and it will show for sure this year. Oh and for all the TTUN fans bitching about penalties and the ball spot it wouldn't have mattered if Durbin hit just one of those missed FG's. GO BUCKS!
Paralyze resistance with persistence
Given the recent holiday, perhaps it's good to take a step back and look at what we have as OSU fans.
I am very pleased with how The Game ended. Beating Michigan is always a superb way to end a regular season.
The depth of graduation and NFL losses this team took should have been a devastating blow. The schedule was difficult: games in Norman, Madison, Happy Valley, and East Lansing; plus we drew Wisconsin, Nebraska, Northwestern from the West division to replace Minnesota, Purdue, and Illinois.
Yet this team has four wins over ranked opponents, three of whom are likely to still be in the top ten in next week's rankings. No one else in the country has that many quality wins. It has been an amazing season... an incredible job by excellent and highly gifted athletes and excellent coaches alike. Our quarterback is a great leader of his peers, and he makes good decisions. Our D-line creates pass rush regularly. A redshirt freshman running back has impressed with a 1000 yard season... and he's not the most dangerous weapon we have.
That said, let's not overlook that this team has challenges. The O-line has been pushed around for large portions of three games (PSU, MSU, UM). We apparently don't have receivers who can get separation. Our quarterback has accuracy problems under pressure. The size challenges of our D-line make us susceptible to smash-mouth rushing attacks.
If we get into the playoff, and that presently looks likely, let's be grateful for that. We'll then get the opportunity to play a semi-final opponent who will likely present a challenge for us. It is also likely that opponent will have a D-line that our O-line can't handle well... (Penn State? Michigan? Clemson?) We've seen that movie a few times this season.
If we don't get into the playoff, I expect the "consolation prize" will be a Rose Bowl berth. Would you have been happy with that at the start of the season knowing we had over forty players coming into the season without significant playing time / experience? Let's not spend our time whining about the rules (which were announced to all before the season started)...
We've just seen a team of twenty year olds go 11-1. They didn't win the Big Ten this year. They might get chosen to play in the playoff. Even if they do, let's not lose sight of the fact that they're still young. Entry to the playoffs does not include a guarantee for results that match one's previous appearance in the playoffs.
I have enjoyed their performance and I am confident for our future. It has been a very good year.
I agree. Enjoy the moment.
Feed the trolls
We wait til Tuesday of this week to, the playoff selection show to see it we get in. Then if not, what bowl game we get into...long wait!
Actually, I think that Tuesday of this week is the pre-Conference Championship Games ranking, and that next Sunday will announce the playoff pairings.
Winning your conference is a stupid requirement. What are your top wins? What is your record? That should be by far the two most essential criteria
Here's the thing: It's not a requirement. If it were, then there would be no need for a committee. Just take the 4 highest ranked P5 conference champs. The committee uses conference championship as a metric and a discriminator, but it's not a requirement. People are fixated on conference championships because it just so happens that the last 2 seasons, there were a lot of 1 loss teams and conference champs was the way they discriminated between them. This year, at least 2 conference will have a 2 loss champ (B1G and Big 12). We are going to set precedent this season regardless.
It's entirely possible that the committee decides that conference championships matter so much more than anything else. But I doubt it.
People like to use the 2014 example of TCU dropping, but remember that TCU lost to Baylor AND had the same record and similar resume as Ohio State, which trounced Wisconsin 59-0. The committee decided that TCU should be behind Baylor on account of the head-to-head and same record, and that Ohio State was better than Baylor. Period. This was a close call but was proven to be the right call.
Penn State will have zero top 10 wins if they beat Wisconsin (which will fall out of the top 10). Ohio State would have two (Michigan and Oklahoma). The resumes are not similar.
Head-to-head has been proven to be not the biggest factor for the committee. Strength of schedule appears to be pretty important. The truth is the committee can use any justification they want, allowed by their guidelines, to justify including a team over another. And when push comes to shove, I believe they'll take an 11-1 Ohio State with wins over Michigan, Oklahoma, and Wisconsin over a team that lost by 39 to Michigan and lost to Pittsburgh.
You can almost write Kirby Holcutt's answer now: "The committee believes that things like conference titles and head to head come in to play when the teams are closely matched down the stretch with similar resumes. In this case, Penn State did not have a comparable resume."
Agree with everything you said, except one minor fact checking issue - Penn St. does have a top 10 win, against us. As much as I would like to wipe that game from the memory banks, it did happen. And is probably the only reason Penn St. is in the top 25 right now, let alone the CFP discussion.
We actually have 3 top 10 wins: OU, Wisky and Michigan. Nebraska also, though they'll be barely ranked this week after getting drubbed by Iowa.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
What's next you ask? First we pick up a gallon of milk. Then we trust the process.
For all those who think winning the conference is necessary, please ask yourselves this question:
If Alabama loses the SEC championship game, do they make the playoffs?
Yes, although I think it would hurt our chances IF Florida beats FSU tonight. But, I don't see either outcome happening.
And if Alabama loses to Florida, would their resume be better than ours? They'll have top 25 wins over maybe Auburn and Tennessee, if both don't drop out.
TN got drubbed by Vandy yesterday LOL
I honestly don't care, at this point, whether or not the Bucks are in the playoff, although I'll be shocked if they're left out. I'd be just as happy, say, with a Rose Bowl invitation. This team, a work in progress, at best, as an offense, and a solid defense with athletes across the board, is not, imo, even close to being balanced enough to advance. I'm THRILLED with today's result, but I'm disappointed with the offense... again. I just don't see how people are looking past the glaring offensive ineptitude. TTUN had ZERO respect for the passing game. None. Imagine Alabama's D-Line Vs this year's slobs. Barrett, a great kid, good athlete, and a playmaker with his feet, has clearly regressed over the past two seasons as a passer. He's struggling tremendously. The receivers, and I use that term very loosely, minus Noah Brown and MAYBE KJ Hill, are track stars in football uniforms (Campbell and McLaurin). The offensive line, which was embarrassed Vs PSU, and again, but to a slightly lesser extent, Vs MSU, was badly outplayed today by TTUN's D line. Isaiah Prince was absolutely wrecked all day by Taco Charlton. He's struggling horribly. Wherever the 2016 Buckeyes go from here is fine with me. For such a young team when the season started, and for a team some predicted would lose 3 or 4 games, specifically a highly respected former staff writer on this very site, they've achieved a tremendous amount already. It's all gravy from here on out for this team, no matter where they play next.
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I have to say, I am so impressed with this defense. I think it rivals the defenses of the last few years.
I get that the offense is still a work in progress, but excluding Alabama who has been dominant this season? Clemson has played a lot of close games and Wash hasn't been tested. For all of their faults, OSU is still one of the best four teams in the country.
Said it before...only thing I cared about was beating those arrogant sneaky weasels up north . The rest is all gravy. We are a young team that blew one game, losing 16 starters. Today made it a great year and spoiled it for a lot of traitors to the State of Ohio. How fitting. And spoil the Heisman hope for a phony big mouth, low character punk...how sweet it is oh and by the way expose the phony crap of a fractured collar bone and show Harbaugh the tricks didn't work this time. It's ok however it works out now...been a good day and tough schedule. We did good.
Committee already addressed this...conference wins usually matter so much because it gives an additional quality win. PSU would gain a quality win, but that would give them 2, and we have 3-4. Nebraska losing badly may hurt us. Still we will make it. I think Washington is left on the outside looking in.
No way Penn State gets in over Washington. Washington would have an impressive conference championship game win over USC or Colorado to add to their weak resume. Plus, they would have 12 wins and 1 loss. Penn State would not, and it's not like their wins over Wisconsin and Ohio State compensate for that.
J.T. had 30 carries, along with 32 pass attempts, making 62 total offensive plays out of a total of 82 offensive plays (32 pass attempts/50 rushes). That's 75.6% of all offensive plays. Curtis Samuel had 7 rushes, along with 4 catches and Mike Weber had 11 carries.
I didn't watch the game, as I'm out of the country. What was the reason for the heavy reliance on J.T. in this game . . . 62 of 82 offensive plays . . . was it by design, or was he forced to run much of the time due to pass pressure, especially early in the game?
I'm not here to bash J.T., in fact he deserves much credit, along with Curtis Samuel, for a VERY gutsy performance today. But I'm wondering about the offensive play calling, offensive coaching in-game adjustments, and implications for the future. What are the reasons, in particular in a game where weather wasn't a factor, for such an offensive reliance on J.T., to the extent of 75% of all offensive plays, and minimal inclusion of Samuel and Weber as runners? I'd value all informed opinions.
"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." - Woody Hayes
Our offensive line is trash and JT can't pass for the life of him....he was throwing high much of the day. Eventually, they pretty much abandoned the pass...we run blocked better in the 4th and JT made some nice plays scrambling.
JT was the only way we moved the ball...really they should have ran him in the first half....he should have had 90% of the plays in my opinion.
JT can't pass for the life of him....he was throwing high much of the day.
It's unfair to blame OSU's passing just on JT when the OL is messing up and receivers are dropping passes that hit them in hands or chest. OTOH, Ross Fulton tweeted this during The Game:
Another high throw from Barrett. He will not step into throws and so he is not particularly accurate.
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The teams that have been left out of the playoffs did not have the resume the Buckeyes have. I think we have a solid chance.
The only good thing about The Game is winning it - Urban Meyer
Somebody better shore up that O-line if we want to compete in the post season.
May I suggest a crazy scenario? Could we face the team up north again this year? Assume Ohio State will finish #2 or #3 in the final CFP rankings. What if... either Washington or Clemson lose their conference championship game. Currently the team up north has wins over #6 Wisconsin and #7 Penn State and #9 Colorado (beating Utah as I type). Would the team up north be more deserving than the B1G champ who they beat and the potential P12 champ who they beat? What about the B12 champ, probably Oklahoma, who was not a challenge for Ohio State or if it's Oklahoma State with two bad losses (one extremely controversial). If I'm looking at this correctly, shouldn't the team up north be ranked #5 on Tuesday night? Or even #4 (the argument could be made)? Could the team up north sneak into the playoff at #4? Could we have round 2 of The Game? Maybe it isn't likely, but I say it remains a possibility.
Five years, five wins against TTUN and five straight division titles (we get a share this year just like last year). Only one Big Ten Title. We lose the one game we can't lose, but I don't give a damn. Urban is 61-5.
No way is the committee dropping a team that played a hell of schedule and took out 3 top 10 teams. Why even have a committee then? Just use the old BCS formula and pick the 3 highest rated conference champs.
Dear JoeBots... <sad trombone>
Two observations involving other top 10 teams:
1. Now that Louisville has swooned, Clemson's resume is weak. Not that it will keep them out of the playoff.
2. Once defenses figure out that PSU's entire pasking offense consists of jump balls, their offense becomes fairly easy to defend. Starting with Wisconsin in the BTCG.
"And @OhioStateFB already a solid #2 going into the game all but locks themselves into playoff with a win over #3 Michigan.
6:54 PM - 26 Nov 2016"
I hope you're right Kirk but that committee keeps me on edge....
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Wisconsin wins i believe we get in.I'f not the Big Ten needs to
add more conference games to better determine a conference champion.
According to 538 we have the 2nd best chance to make the playoff field. 90%. Alabama is 91%.
If the Committee bumps the No. 2 team in their rankings for the last 3 weeks all the way down to 5th because it doesn't play next weekend they will lose all credibility they have. Not saying that as a Buckeye homer, saying that as someone with some common sense.
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I think Ohio State gets into the Playoffs regardless of who wins B1G. The proof is in the pudding, CFP is not going to take Ohio State from #2 to put the winner of the B1G in at #3 or #4. I don't think we will have two teams in the playoffs, but I do think we get in over winner.
I hope Penn State beats Wisconsin and Washington and Clemson lose next week just so we can have a rematch in the playoffs and redeem ourselves by kicking their ass!
If this happens, and it's not entirely unrealistic (VT can beat Clemson and Colorado can definitely upset Washington), we could end up with three Big Ten teams in the playoff. Alabama plays Michigan and Ohio State rematches with Penn State.
Eh, I think they'd put Oklahoma in before they put Michigan back in. Not because Oklahoma's resume is better than Michigan's, but I'm pretty sure the committee would do literally anything to avoid having 3 out of 4 teams be from 1 conference. The backlash would be unprecedented.
Enjoy this win-- fully. Wow!
The thrill of the final deperate victory in the 2nd overtime against the most bitter rival. YES.
(There will be plenty of time later to chew the fat around the CFP selections.)
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At the end of the day it's still a business...I think we;re in and it's deserved but still think outside forces tip the scale to the Buckeyes.. I think we're heading to 1. Bama vs 4. Washington 2. Ohio State vs 3. Clemson
1.. TV Ratings. ESPN wants Ohio State in as the #2 or #3 seed. They took a bath on ratings last year and having Bama and Ohio State in opposite games gives them the most eyeballs and potentially sets up ratings gold in a Bama vs OSU final.
2. The Fiesta Bowl. Phoenix LOVES Buckeye Nation. They will push hard behind the scenes to make sure Ohio State is #2 or #3 to bring all of Buckeye Nation to Phoenix.
3. At least one person on the committee maybe more won't say it publicly but behind close doors the Paterno/Sandusky stink will play into leaving PSU out should it come down to PSU vs Washington.
I'm out for the night, its 1am on the west coast. Here are some tasty UM tears from mgoblog!
I'm tired of OSU being so fucking good, of being the class of the conference for what seems like most of my adult life. That UM was stuck with an aging Carr, an overwhelmed RR, and an incompetent Hoke while OSU had to deal with one whole year of Luke Fickell before Urban Meyer's heart started beating right again and he set down in Columbus. And they'll be good again next year, really f*cking good, while UM will be trying to replace most of their defensive line and secondary, plus basically all their receivers, offensive line, and leading rusher.
So we're Badger fans now? Badger does not taste like chicken.
I scanned through most of the comments and I never really saw this thought.
IF Oklahoma and Wisconsin win out. Then Wash and Clem win out. Then we are really debating the following teams: Alabama, Clemson, Washington, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Wisconsin. Correct?
Of all those teams, who can say they have ALREADY BEATEN A POWER 5 CONFERENCE CHAMP? HOW ABOUT 2?!!!! How about two, on the road, at night?!?!?!?!
I think that nugget far outweighs this weeks con champ games. This coming weekend will help shape Ohio State's narrative. Nobody has played OSU's schedule out of the teams listed above and if they break the right way, it gets so much better.
Deja vu, all over again?
"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015. Needs no explanation.
I think we should be careful for what we wish...
If the argument that a non divisional champ should be considered for the CFP national championship, we're opening the door for the SEC to put 3 teams in under some strange circumstances in the future... and we don't need that, folks.
I couldn't watch football anymore once that happens.
Maybe Penn St really have improved to a championship level... let's find out.
It. Is. Time.
Bama was ranked #1 last year and needed Ole Miss to lose miraculously to Arky to go to SECCG. Any of you seriously think they were dropping Bama out of the top 4 based upon the outcome of Arky/OleMiss?
Nope. If you believe so, you're delusional.
You wanna talk about being delusional?
The committee had Michigan state at #3 and Iowa at #5 after the BIG championship game last year, and we all knew that Ohio state was better.
I think expecting the committee to crowbar a non divisional champion into the playoffs might be delusional, because so far, they haven't...
Unless...we can get in as a de facto Big XII champion.
To this fan, a W versus ttun makes me happy for a whole year, playoffs or not.
In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...
Actually - I think we are in a great spot! Yes, we don't get to claim the B1G Championship but we also don't have to play another brutal, hard hitting game either!!! We will likely get in the CFP without subjecting our guys to another physical game and potential injury! After The Game - there are no doubt some very tired and sore Buckeyes!!!
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We had an ugly early loss to a horrible VA tech team in '14, and It took a 59-0 championship game to get past TCU.
This year, we really don't have that game to push us past any conference champions. I just don't see it... would love to, but I don't.
We had an ugly early loss to a horrible VA tech team in '14, and It took a 59-0 championship game to get past TCU.
This year, we really don't have that game to push us past any conference champions. I just don't see it... would love to, but I don't.
I think OSU is good (and gritty) and would like to see them dismantle someone in a bowl game. If the Buckeyes get into the CFP, that would be gravy and good luck. And with OSU's OL and passing issues, I suspect they would need good luck to compete against top teams...unless Studrawa & Warinner can improve the OL vastly by the bowl game. And Beck can get JT to throw off his front foot (versus his back foot) and see open receivers better.
I get what you mean, but we don't need good luck to compete against top teams, we have beaten 3 very good teams in Oklahoma, Wisc., and TTUN already. Those are 3 playoff caliber teams without a doubt. Also, let's not forget what JT has proven to us, he is a great QB and plays much better in warmer weather. He lit up Oklahoma and to an extent Wisconsin. He may have not played well this weekend, but we don't come back and win that game without him
We played SIX teams with AT LEAST NINE wins and we beat FIVE of em. That's got to count for something!
Actually this is a blessing in disguise, It is soo very hard to beat a team twice in 1 season. I think that we would most likely lose to Wisconsin.
We beat 3 of the top 8. Even one loss teams can't say that. 'Conf championship' only comes into play IF it's a tie in eyes of committee. There's no tie w us and rest of B10.
We were 2 and beat 3. Worst we fall to is 3 in final ranking. Get ready for Clemson!
Just look at the resume folks. We got this regardless of what happens in the Big Ten championship. Besides Wisconsin's defense won't have a problem shutting down Penn State. In TJ Watt I trust lol. I personally think their defense is seriously underrated
The answer to the question what next is not here. But here is the most likely answer (99%) is the Fiesta Bowl. That's right folks. Why? The 2 semi final games are the peach and fiesta. Alabama gets the bowl closest to them as the 1 seed. The 2/3 game is then the fiesta. Why don't the writers look up this basic information come on guys.
Is there any doubt that PSU/Wisconsin vs Alabama is anything but a bloodbath? Shouldn't we get in based on that alone?
I would say yes, but with the SEC clearly being down has Alabama really been tested? They will cruise be Florida whom has no offense. Alabama hasn't been through the typical gauntlet they usually face, so I can actually see them losing a playoff game. Don't get me wrong they are damn good, and I think having a Dual-Threat QB in a power run offense is absolutely the way to win games, but I feel like their defense hasn't been tested by an offense that can score points consistently. Wisconsin I feel like is far superior to Penn State and if they win I don't think they get in ahead of OSU because of the head to head. PSU I think would get slaughtered on the line of scrimmage against Alabama, and McSorley would likely end up like Colt McCoy in 2009.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
If you want a good laugh while we wait, venture over to mgoblog - WOW I can't remember the last time I read so much whining, crying, and complaining... they have clearly surpassed PSU for the title of Whiners!!! It is SO worth your time!!!
Chaos scenario...... Wisconsin, VaTech, Colorado, Oklahoma State all win...... what are the chances OSU, Wisconsin, and Michigan all get in the playoffs?
In this order, who I believe gets in from B10.
1) Buckeyes: a strong 2 now stronger
2) TTUN: beat PSU and Wisky and Colorado
3) Wisjy: beat LSU and wins b10
3) PSU: beat OSU and wins b10