What a tough place to play...crowd played a huge factor in the 4th!
This will light a fire.
Nebraska and TTUN leave opportunity for the Buckeyes to re-prove themselves to the Playoff committee
"Because I couldn't go for 3." -Woody Hayes when asked why he went for 2 after final touchdown in 50-14 win over Michigan
Ha... I'm watching the vote count go up and down on this. I was saying that I was speechless, but I guess that's getting missed somehow.
If nothing else, we no longer have to worry about impressing the Playoff Committee, that is, beyond winning out. Thing is, we could win ugly for every game going forward and it wouldn't matter--we'd be in the playoffs.
Well, okay, there are always crazy exceptions in college football, but looking around the nation in the Year of Lord Two Thousand and Sixteen, it would take a pretty darned extreme exception to keep a one-loss winner of the Big Ten out of the Playoffs.
That said, as we saw last year--and now this year--when you start to win ugly, a loss tends to hang in the shadows. Ergo, this team needs to get its mojo back, if not with utter beat downs, then at least with complete, well executed games where we don't contend for leading the NCAA in penalties.
Chic, with the ever important "eye test," 1-loss OSU cannot play like they did tonight and get into the playoffs. And that thankfully too. Who of us would want to be embarrassed in the playoffs on nat'l TV with such pathetic play.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
Unless it's a really, really weird season--the eye test won't matter. Win and we're in. IMHO, the biggest truth of your statement is simply that fact that if we play like we did tonight, we won't win out, in which case, we won't make the playoffs.
Heck, if we play like we did tonight, we shouldn't be surprised to lose 2-4 more games--maybe more, including a bowl game. But I trust Meyer's ability to adjust and rally the troops.
He definitely didn't have his edge tonight, but this tends to be when he gets it back.
You said it better, short and sweet, Chic, if we win we're in, and if we don't, we won't.
To your latter point. yeah, I sure as heck wouldn't want to be the Michigan State of the 2016 playoffs.
And not exactly a good prelude for the ensuing season.
This is true. Correction:
Nebraska and TTUN leave opportunity for an epic 2nd half of the season*
Well deserved loss there. On to the next one. Northwestern starting to turn it on, need to be ready.
There's no points for second place, gentlemen.
Agreed. Saturday at 3:30 will be a battle - plain and simple
Everybody wants to be heard, and the easiest way to be the loudest is to be the hater
Uhhhh....need time to absorb this one. I'll bet the team feels the same way.
"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."
Well deserved is right. Terrible play calling, most of the time. Much like last week. When a defense cheats, the middle is wide open. JT does not seem prepared to deal with it. It should be a 70 yard TD every time. The O-Line was horrible. So were the special teams choices.
I'm not sure how much blame I can pin on the play calling. It's not likely any play will be successful when your offensive line performs that poorly.
I can. Most of last year too. Every team knows exactly what we are about to do.Samuel had multiple negative yard plays. They blitzed all out almost all night, and it was not taken advantage of.
They were getting home without blitzing too. We were struggling with the 4 man rush all night. Our o- line want just confused, our tackles were consistently getting beat by the msn across from them. I am in NO WAY trying to defend the play callers. I'm simply saying that it's tough to know what plays can succeed when your o-line is getting beat that badly.
To your point about the coaches, I think Beck needs to go. And I wish we could move Warriner back to O-line coach, but there's no way he'd accept a demotion.
GoB10, i would hope that OSU is not moving "on to the next well deserved loss."
Not really "stunning" when the offense comes out with no plan and zero inspiration.
"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman
Jim tressel is rolling in his osu coaching grave after that special team performance
No. He's not rolling over in any grave.
He's laughing his ass off at everyone who thought that Urban Meyer was taking Ohio State to the "next level".
I think UM has taken OSU to the next level. I loved Tressel, but I wouldn't trade 10 of him for Urban...
16-2 is SWEET!
You plan to win the ship. Each, to date, has provided one. I call that a tie, so far.
Actually its 3 to 1 but nice try though.
One day I will valiantly become a political prisoner of 11W jail.
If you're going to play that game it's 5-3 Tressel
Or 5 to 3, but it's all good
"Great moments are born from great opportunities." - Herb Brooks
I meant for the team I cheer for, cinserious... I don't celebrate what he did for previous teams... do you? Both provided the team I cheer for with 1. I'll be sure to spell it out for you more in the future.... "nice try though" - what a jerk..
Chris, you probably talked trash about Tressell too after each of his losses...A-hole!
I'm not talking trash about Urban. He is a great coach. I also thought that about Tress. I praise both for making my favorite team champions and I hope Urban can double Tress's championship total in the near future. Why do you see a problem with this? Not sure what I'm doing that makes you think I'm an a-hole either....I'm a pretty nice dude, man, that's a big fan of our last two coaches. Why does that rub you the wrong way? Chill, man.
Can't we all just get along?
What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.
I'm all for that. I just didn't know seeing Tress and Urban as equals because each earned my favorite team 1 championship would be controversial or considered trash talk. I'm just all about seeing the buckeyes win rings more than anything. They're the only two coaches in my lifetime that have done that for my buckeyes... and they've each done it once to date. That's kinda how I personally keep score. It's like being in a TD only fantasy league only much more brutal and requiring more patience...
I apologise Chris. Didn't mean to take it out on you. Just a bit too much imbibing last night coupled with a Buckeye loss...Not a good combination. Sorry dude.
It's cool man, I can certainly understand that. Go Bucks!
Seriously, how is it trash talk to see both guys as equals based on what they've done for this program to date? You might not agree, but its my opinion...Do you have an answer or are you just a troll?
Except we're not on probation.
Same guy is running the entire ship, so you never know. He certainly did when others took the fall.
Yeah Tressel didn't have anything to do with that
He took his punishment for his actions, unlike the guy who is still in power.
" took his punishment"........yeah that's what it was
All due respect to Tressel but he can't sniff Meyers jock strap
I certainly hope he cannot sniff it. Is there evidence of this proclivity?
Let alone rush Durbin out there and quickly attempt a FG from the hashmarks in a tough stadium in less than ideal conditions.
I mean, what in the wide world of sports was Urban and the offensive staff thinking on 4th and 7? You sent in the kick team with 11 seconds left on the clock when they started to run on the field. I saw the miss coming a mile away
Absolutely. Meyer knows better.
Take the timeout and regroup. Get it straight. I've seen Meyer do this a 100 times
Completely agree. Have to acknowledge that JT showed some heart tonight behind a struggling O-Line and a struggling receivers group.
We didn't to see his heart.....We needed to see his ARM
Seeing his ARM requires capable receivers on the other end.
That too but we weren't talking about receivers we were talking about JT. When the announcers are talking about you "just throwing the ball up in the air" They're talking about the QB
JT legitimately hit James Clark in the face.
The point is he didn't get a ton of help around him.
It also requires his LEGS under him, but there were too many holes in the O line to protect him.
The O line had its worst game, and I'm not going to make excuses for their responsibility in causing their own problems, but they're also not getting any help from the receivers.
Fact is, Wisconsin's D coordinator said it himself last week--the Buckeye receivers can't get any separation, and so you can handle them with man coverage and stack the box.
Teams just don't fear our intermediate or long passing game, and since we are weirdly reluctant to use our most explosive weapon to the fullest to stretch defenses vertically and horizontally (i.e., this guy named Curtis Samuel), defenses have a smaller box to defend, and the offensive line all too often has an extra man to block.
This becomes a vicious cycle where J.T. then has less time to throw and receivers have less time to get separation. Bottom line: something has to get fixed. My take is that (among other things) they need to go to Samuel more often, take it to the edge more often, run more motion and misdirection, etc. (i.e., all the things they did in the first four games before they shrunk the offense down to J.T. or bust, which is unfair to J.T.)
There is no reason this receiver group should be struggling.
The more you act like a lady the more likely he’ll act like a gentleman.
the reason would be known if one were to only ask the question
“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”
Been happening for a long time. Seems like we were singing the same song the last three weeks that we sung last year up to the Michigan state loss. We have looked "outprepared" for a month. . . .
"Championships are not won on Saturdays in November. Championships are won on Tuesdays in August." -- Kerry Combs
Bad play but also blown pass interference call
We didn't lose because of a blown call....we lost because we played poorly on special teams, offensive play calling, O-line lack of blocking, WR's not getting open, JT missing the few open WR's, and....well we just played poorly. We better do some soul searching before next week with NW playing hot, let alone scUM at year's end...just a bad showing overall.
I agree...we just sucked. Time to get their heads out of their asses.
"They couldn't beat me with two Xichigan coaches. So they had to come down here and take a coach that I trained." -Woody Hayes
Yea we didn't lose just b/c of a blown call. However, when you aren't given the first down you aren't given the opportunity to move forward and win the game. You can't always pin the blame of a game on one play, or one blown call, but you can say that it greatly affected your ability to win at that moment, which that play did.
PSU killed us with field position, and our o-coordinators killed us by forgetting we have better athletes. But the phantom horse collar, no calls on late hits, and pass interference did affect us. Refs had no problem throwing yellow at us, still may not have won, but it sucks when you lose with some big no calls that could have benefitted you.
I put the The, in The Ohio State Univeristy.
You can't EVER blame a loss on one play........I fixed that for you
Well, PSU can't say the refs had it out for them. 1 penalty for 5 yards called? That "horse collar" that was a legal jersey grab that happens all the time?
The worst part about the missed PI is that the defender absolutely should interfere on that situation, but the ref has to be on top of that. No excuse for that.
I almost feel like all the pregame talk about PSU always getting jobbed got in their heads so they overcompensated.
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YOU MUST HAVE FORGOT ABOUT ALL HE GAMES THAT THE REFS GAVE TO OSU
LOL, you guys actually lost to us... Just beat Michigan and you still are in CFP...
Take Beck pls..
Hi. Welcome. Seemed like your caps lock was stuck or your were screaming. But ha!
I see that one of those adorable BSD types have wandered over.
And you still idolize a guy covered for a pedophile, now get killed.
The only good thing about The Game is winning it - Urban Meyer
I didn't imbibe this game so I'm relatively clear headed on this. Psufan is right. We messed up. Our team was unprepared and outplayed. Part of it was,out of our control: 2nd straight road game at night against an opponent coming off a bye week, having a long game last week as well.. Our guys were still sore from the wiscy game. Sure, the refs blew some calls, but I'm of the mind that if you let the game remain close enough to be decided by one or two had calls... You may as well have lost outright.
Regroup Buckeye fans. Stand strong and on to the next one. May we be magnanimous in defeat as we are graceful in victory. We have an excellent team. Perfect? No. Best in the damn land? You bet your arse.
Agree here. That was a HUGE blown call that gets us closer to tying the game with a field goal.
Blaming the refs is a loser move. You should never be in a position to let the refs decide your fate. Especially against an unranked 4-2 team of pedophiles.
Leave Beck there.
He's not the only one calling plays...
His QB development and play calling is atrocious. JT Barrett has only gotten worse as a passer since his freshman season when he had Herman teaching him. Beck is more to blame than people realize. Same can be said for Zach Smith. Just bad position coaches.
This is true...I do agree with you on this. Player development has sucked at qb and WR. I was just referring to the plays...but on the other stuff you are definitely on point.
Barrett has suffered from stagnation as a QB. His mechanics seem inconsistent, the ball doesn't come out cleanly, and he isn't making good reads. Fundamental breakdowns.
I remember the same things were said about Herman after the Virginia Tech game in 2014. By the way, Herman lost again tonight. Let's stick with what we have and trust the coaching staff in place and Coach Meyer who has lost FIVE games in FIVE years.
In all honesty, Beck sucked at Nebraska and has sucked since he arrived here, I (as many others have said) agree that it's time for him to be shown the door.
I'll stick with the staff but we need to acknowledge where the issues are at. Development is certainly an issue at this point. It is a young team sure, but I have a seen a team that has had fundamental breakdowns, mental errors, and overall, sloppy play.
Accountability is critical; it applies to both the players and staff.
I for one don't recall complaints about Herman not developing QBs after the VaTech game.
The house is on fire and this guy thinks it's just a little warm...people like you piss me off. Whenever we win but look like shit you jump on anyone who would dare criticize.
Now that we've lost to an inferior team, due directly to Beck you act like him and Herman are in the same stratosphere because they both lost games.
Herman is the coach at Houston. Does anyone think the talent at Houston is similar to the talent Beck has to work with?
HA. Completely unrealistic people like you piss me off. You say Beck is the DIRECT reason for this loss? Please enlighten me how you know that Beck is the direct reason for this loss. I want to hear about the insider information you obviously have.
Through the magic of math, that is the insider information I have. Can you honestly say this offense is better than 2014?
If beck is the greatest thing ever then why are we struggling?
Is Alabama struggling?
Did they lose?
It is not unrealistic as you put it to expect this team to completely dominate every game outside of 2-3 a year. Bama does it, we can't. You tell me why?
Bama does it? What world do you live in? Bama had one perfect season under Saban. They have lost every year since 2009. 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015 Alabama lost at least one game. This year Bama DID NOT dominate a mediocre LSU team this year that was playing without a head coach. That is WHY.
Are you guys serious ? Barrett has not developed ? Other than running for his life and throwing bombs just to let the defense know we'll try, I saw great throws.
Look, these WRs are getting 0 separation, and the rs freshmen o tackles played like they were freshmen.
Sure pass protection is bad. I know.
But I think the tape will show Barrett is struggling with the football in his hands. Even when he gets time, he has struggled with accuracy. The ball is wobbly too
He holds the ball too long
I agree, and that is nothing new. He telegraphs his throws. He did it against Tulsa and BG also, it just doesn't matter as much against them.
Not just that with as much time that he had you would think he would have just scrambled for some yards I seen a quite of few times where he could have cut it through the middle and make a good gain, instead he try's to scramble outside to throw it away, one thing I have noticed since the mid to the end of the season last year JT looks slower, and more hesitant then he has before, idk I was pissed off about this game but I somewhat expected it , this is the 3rd game in a row that the offensive play calling has been hot garbage, it's so sickening, obvious JT has no deep ball or consistency, so we just run the ball let them stack the box , and pray for quick slant passes to work. Another thing is our offense is drained they spend to much time out on the field 2 games before, can't blame them for gassing out playing 2 teams back to back off of bye weeks with time to heal. We have to get our shit together couches and all, or its gonna get ugly before November!
JT is literally doing all he can with his oline constantly allowing pressure and no receivers getting open.
DID WE WIN?!
Oh wait, once again we can't keep saying that despite our team's glaring weaknesses. OSU deserved this loss 100%
I don't know if they deserved it or not, but they sure as fuck earned it
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
Indeed. I disagree with the guy who just suggested that "development" is an issue. We have superior development, talent, recruiting, coaching, etc., and we're generally great at making adjustment.
That said, I think it is fair to say that the offensive coordinators have shown a tendency to get in a rut--to shrink or un-stretch the field vertically and horizontally, for whatever reason.
It's not a huge rut, and they've proven that they can emerge from it, but it has been enough to cost us a game against inferior opponents this year and last. But, hey--I've heard it isn't easy to win every game.
Then again, that's the goal for OSU. To that end, the 2015 loss kept us out of the playoffs, but that doesn't have to happen in 2016, assuming they do whatever it takes to get out of this rut.
For now though, the numbers speak for themselves: We've gone from scoring 58 to 38 to 30 to 21 points over the past four weeks. Yes, this is a by-product of competition, at least to an extent, but the numbers are clearly headed in the wrong direction, so that we're not only failing to fully rise to the level of our competition, most significantly, we're failing to rise to the level of our full potential.
No that we're far off. Still, paraphrasing Mark D"Antonio, he recently commented that you're usually not as far as you think from being the best or worst that you can be. Let's hope we're headed for the former vs. the latter.
I'm not going to let one loss take away from the fact that this Ohio State team is still very VERY good! They're the youngest team in the FCS! it stings right now but we're going to have a lot of fun watching this team for next two years or three years!
Right but we're so much better than Michigan.......We'll kill them lol
Tough game. We are still in the race.
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Yes, that's exactly will be what you hear from me at work on Monday
Wow did the wheels come off for every unit
No, but some are wobbling-- badly.
Well and yes, the wheels did come off for the special teams--
missed extra point on a bad snap,
a muffed punt by Dontre,
a blocked punt because Worley blocked the rusher right into Johnston, and
a blocked field goal on poor blocking.
Buckeyes shit the bed. Plain and simple. First down offense worst in college football. See ya next weekend.
I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.
I Believe In Ohio State.
They were averaging -1 yd per rush on first down in the first half and continued to run on every first down. I could go on. Hats off to Penn State.
"There are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad" - the Curse of Woody Hayes
First down offense worst in college football.
This offense misses Zeke, with all due respect to Weber and Samuel.
Oh well. We're young and restless.
Offense also misses a functional offensive line. Saw that with both pass protection and the lack of a push on run blocking.
Penn State's defensive line played great tonight. Hats off to them.
I get PSUs d-line played well tonight, but we made them look like last years Broncos. That's inexcusable.
You do better
****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in. FACT
Buckeyes can't play in the rain. OL looks slow and tired. Special teams are the worst in a long time. Penn State played better and wanted it more. Young team finally showed their immaturity.
#FIRE TIM BECK AND ED WARRINER
"I will pound you and pound you until you quit" - Woody
God how I wish that was sarcasm.
You can write all the scripts for people you want, it doesn't mean they're going to take direction.
Beck should be gone. Period. You think his offense will be better without JT polishing that turd?
I don't even think JT is a good QB, but he's good enough to cover up Beck's shitty play calling. Or at least he had been until they play a team with a pulse.
You think Beck can get the job done in November??
Does Meyer get any blame??? Better yet how about the OL coach??? Prince and Jones got exposed!
This for the win
If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die.
Glad someone noticed.
The exposure of the inability to get separation in the passing game has lead to defenses stacking the boxes and blitzing, which (I fear) has now exposed that it's pretty easy to blitz someone around our tackles, or for that matter, just assign a smaller, faster guy who takes a roundhouse loop to the QB, and neither Jones seem capable of getting to the guy.
Granted, J.T. can--and usually does--step up in the pocket and dodge a guy or two... or three... or four... but by that time, half the battle is lost, and he's scrambling just to make his read downfield or tucking and running for whatever he can pick up.
But then, that's just one more set of lessons to learn, technique-wise or scheme-wise. Let's just hope that we have fast learners and speedy teachers.
The better team won today. The end. Have a great week guys. We still have *ichigan to beat! :(
Who Nellie, I'm not so sure. Ohio State played poorly, but they were better than Penn State-- except for 2 special team plays where a punt was blocked and a field goal was blocked.
Check out the stats. They confirm the Buckeyes had much more yardage (413 to 276),
and in both more running (168 to 122) and a lot more passing (245 to 154),
and more first downs (19 to 13),
and much better 3rd-down conversion (9 of 22 versus 2 of 13), etc.
Penn State was not the better team. There were many factors contributing to poor play, but the game would have been won and quite easily except for those 2 glaring special-team snafus.
Agreed. Really surprised what went down with the special teams. Sigh. What I also noticed is how quickly Penn State D line beat Ohio States O line.
This is not a top football team. They will be challenged by anyone who can put pressure on JT. TTUN game will be ugly.
First and goal at the five and Arch is getting the ball.
Well that's alarming because our tackles can't block anybody
Yeah...not liking the odds for TTUN
That pretty much sums it up. Very succinct
Negative yards in the 3rd quarter. Sums it up.
Would have rather lost to Wisconsin last week but oh well. Better than a loss in November?
Yep, but we'll get one of those too. Unless this team does a 180 like they did after MSU last year, The Game will be like last year in reverse.
I was in high school the last time scUM beat us in the Horseshoe...
We were totally outplayed again! We deserved to lose...and it sucks.
Deserve? Without a blocked punt and a blocked field goal, do we win the game?
We did have plenty of opportunities, and we deserve to lose for not making the most of them.
Ironically, the team's theme this year has been, The Edge, and unfortunately, even when we were up by two scores, we had lost our edge. I'm not saying we didn't try hard, but the blade was dull, and you could see it with our carelessness, penalties, play calling, use of time.
We just weren't sharp
We had no edge.
Maybe we were fated to lose like this as a reminder of what brought this team such great success in the first four games--we played with an edge in virtually every aspect of the game.
To that end, I think here's a clue for the Buckeyes as to whether or not they're living up to their new motto: When you play with an edge, you don't just edge team or nurse a lead--you dominate your opponent.
Is this Larry Johnson?
Yep, it was his pep talk to Beck and Warriner after the game.
Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted.
Go bucks! Win out. Time to see what were made of!
We're all going to wake up tomorrow. we're all healthy and blessed.
We will make the playoff
The world is yours
No we're not.
We're not beating Michigan, not a chance in hell with how this team played tonight. It's gonna be a massive blowout if this same team shows up
Yeah, it's too bad teams can't ever improve. Or play better at home.
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Have you seen Tim Beck and Ed Warriner improve?
Improving is not in Tim Becks mental capacity, and Ed Warriner is in over his head. This isn't a team that has been improving, this has been a team that's gotten worse each game that these clowns have been in the booth.
Yes I have actually. Between the MSU game and the Michigan game last year.
Yes. After an abysmal performance against MSU last year, we beat the holy stuffing out of Michigan and ND. Come on, man. Don't ignore clear and undisputed facts.
Still, you're unintentionally right. We need to improve before Michigan.
it is not an undisputed fact that OSU will improve, just as bad as saying they 100% won't. You don't know if they will and there has not been a sign that looks good for them yet.
Sometimes a loss is good for you. We're so young. Let's wait and see how they respond
Beck improved then because he was joined in the booth and demoted to Ed's coffee bitch. If Ed didn't have to be in the booth helping Useless McDumbass up there I think his unit would be in much better shape. He's having to cover too much at the moment. Keep Ed, fire Tim.
Actually, let's give credit where credit is due--they both improved AFTER the Michigan State loss last year, and they continued their bold calls this year. Check that--actually, it isn't bold to fully use your superior talent.
Anyway, let's also give discredit where it's due--they've gone back into their shell. Their offense is predictable and defenses know it. Having watched film for the first four games, they concluded that they could take away our receiving threat (intermediate or long passing game), and then over the course of past three weeks, they took away the receivers, and having done that, they put extra men in the box and blitzed more offense, compromising our offensive line, which, in turn, is compromising J.T.'s game.
Urban's a great coach, and I suspect that he was purposely motivating his receivers when he defended them last week, because he's too smart to be in denial about the serious problem we have with getting separation. Thing is, we have the athleticism, but something's clearly broken in their execution and/or play calling.
Fact _ Meyer teams have never wone a title without dropping a game in regular season play. I predict this lights a fire under their ass. Just in time too, because we needed some motivation before playing out the rest of the schedule
If last week didn't light a fire, there isn't much to be lit. Fact is this team has 1 true playmaker on offense, _ poor throwing qb when the weather isn't perfect, 2 WRs worth a damn that disappear and split time with scrubs, and a good tailback the doesn't get enough carries most days.
The development of talent is lacking. Maybe next year should be the new motto.
We looked like shit but it took a lost last year to turn shit around
How we played against Penn State has zero to do with how we play against Michigan. All we have to be is the best team on the field going forward. Tonight we were not!
How do you purpose we win in the playoffs with an inept offense?
Yeah, it's not like we ever bounced back from a rainy loss before.
Just play all of our games in perfect weather or indoors from now on. Woody would practice in the snow and rain all the time.
For most the first part is true, although some hung over as shit.
Second part? I see at least one more loss. OL and WR suck ass.
I love how one loss changes everyone's opinion so much. The offense was SO bad that the yardage totals we as follows:
A lot of drives kept alive by JT being elusive and tough despite poor blocking and blanketed wr.
Too bad it's the score board that counts.
Every unit underachieved. Coaches included. You can only overcome so much with talent.
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"OH MY GOD YOU GUYS STOP BEING SO NEGATIVE WE'RE GONNA WIN THIS HEHEHE XD"
This team was fucking pathetic, Tim Beck and Brain Dead Ed both need to have their sorry asses dumped in the Ramada. Urban has egg on his face over the hiring of this clown.
We lose to a team who's best recruiting tactic is fucking call girls, that's pathetic.
Spot on. I cannot stand the excuses for unacceptable performance and lack of improvement.
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You're not going to get actual answers from Meyer, he's as good as dancing around the subject as tressel was, he'll give all the credit to PSU and go on and on about how good of a team that is, how well coached they are.
I also think that staff should be fired if we don't go undefeated every single year. The results are definitely unacceptable and your standards and expectations are both fair and reasonable.
Great post but I don't even know if I would waste time trying to be reasonable in a thread like this. It Is one thing to make fair criticisms and another to get emotional calling for the heads of everyone on the staff. Anyone logical can easily see that the Urban Meyer buckeyes have had a historical run. You can hope for perfection but can't expect it every year.
Lets give the team a little bit more of a sample size before we call the year a failure. And Meyer has NEVER been known for excuses. He is the guy who got too hard on himself for success, which eventually led to stress and panic attacks.
It's not about going undefeated every single year, it's about showing consistency, improvement, toughness, sharp mental and physical play, and good coaching. If those are unreasonable expectations let's go root for Purdue.
You guys can go cheer for Purdue, I'm sitting that one out
Bro, I feel your pain but you're posting shit that will likely be laughed at in a few weeks. This loss does nothing to our title hopes.
Lmao when you expect us to succumb to adversity every game you don't get to say "told ya so" when we eventually do.
This team was fucking pathetic
No. You're pathetic. It's a fucking game. You win some. You lose some. I think we've won a hellava lot of games lately.
56-5, you fuck
The worst showing by our oline I've ever seen
You must have forgotten VT in 2014.
No this was way worse.. VT threw the kitchen sink at us. Penn State did bring the LBs a bit but their DEs were smoking our tackles on every passing down. Guaranteed sack or Barrett doing some Houdini shit to pick up a first down or throw it away
I guess you haven't seen the 2006 championship fiasco.
When you take into account the level of competition, yes, this was worse than the '06 championship.
OSU has freshman starting on the O-line. Think about that for a moment...
So does Bama. We like to compare ourselves to them at every turn yet make youth excuses when things don't go well. We either accept that Bama is just better (coaching-wise) or continue making that as an excuse.
We got the loss out of the way, now it's time to see how we respond. Urban, you're up.
This fan base is can be so fucking delusional at times. Always believing everything Urban says. Urban's lost a step. He isn't the great coach he once was.
This just ended a 20-0 road streak. You might want to rethink your stance.
You mean like 2 years ago? Shut up
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Overreaction of the night. Lots of things we thought we had solidified may have been exposed, but let's try to keep our disappointment within reason.
"Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." -- Woody Hayes
That sounds fucking ridiculous... So, in your opinion, Meyer is not a great coach because he lost one road game with the youngest team in the country?
Go to sleep before you say something really really dumb. Oh wait....
WTF? He's literally 2 years removed from winning a national championship with a 3rd string QB.
Our offense is one dimensional. JT is hesitant and no deep threat. Offensive line is not on page and weak. Our play calling is sad and we are getting out coached.
While all of that is true, we are still the youngest team in the nation. Growing pains now accomplished
We should've gotten our growing pains out last week. Penn state shouldnt have been a challenge.
3..2..1...let her fly...in and out..
I agree but special teams errors can derail ANY team... We're no exception
Isaiah Prince and Jamarco Jones 5 stars my ass. Got beat like drums. So pissed
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This offensive line sucked big time especially Prince.
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OL looked like a 1 star at best. Even Baugh couldn't run the right routes. Clark gets a football in the face and doesn't touch the ball. Almost comical.
Pretty hard to get your hands on it when the defender shows up early and pulls your arms down
You didn't watch the same play. The ball was coming in at chest level and the defender pulled his body down by the arm. It was the right play by the defender not to give up the big gain or TD by interfering but then it wasn't called. 100% not the receiver's fault.
This team is not as pissed off for greatness as they were when we started this season
Let's hope that what this loss creates.
Stil control the East.
Feed the trolls
Not until PSU loses another game.
Yeah the crazy part is even if we win out, we're not in control of our own destiny. If PSU wins the rest of their games, they will represent the east. Bull shit night for our Buckeyes. We need a good stomping of northwestern to get this bad taste out of our mouths.
To whom much is given, much is expected.
What's the tiebreaker? This scenario has TTUN, tOSU, and PSU all splitting bs each other.. so why would it go to PSU?
If both OSU and PSU win out:
We beat TTUN, PSU beat us....PSU wins tbe tiebreaker right?
No TTUN beat PSU, it's a three way tie at that point. Not sure what breaks the three way tie at that point
I'll help yiu on this. It's tied until overall record, psu out. Then it reverts back to step one again, head to head, ttun out, osu wins.
"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra
But all of that requires TTUN to win out and then lose to us. If they drop a game to Sparty or anyone else before we beat them, PSU is your B1G East champ as long as they win out.
So, yeah-- we kind of need to be rooting for TTUN until the end of November,unless PSU helps us out by dropping another game.
WORST COACHED GAME SINCE MSU LAST YEAR, WARRINER HAS TO FUCKING GO, AND BECK, NO IMAGINATION WHATSOVER.................. AND I SAW IT COMMING................ WAY TO GO WARRINER !! YOU WATERBAG ! WE ARE THE ONLY TEAM THAT HAS GONE DOWN IN THE SEASON, NEXT LOSS NORTHWESTERN !
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I'm sure Urban will keep making excuses for Beck as a QB coach when it's obvious him and our WRs are the biggest problem. No line could stop 8 people blitizing on every play with no pass threat.
Zach Smith needs to get off twitter and start coaching the wr's, the WR performance is on the coaches. We had better receivers when Tressel was coach, his wr's didn't have the talent these guys have.
Huh? Jenkins, Ginn, Gonzalez, Holmes, Hartline, Robiskie, Posey, Sanzenbacher >>>> Anyone recruited by Meyer. More talent under Meyer at WR my ass
With the exception of Ginn, I don't think any of those guys were 4 or 5 star receivers. I have always said stars mean nothing on the field, my point is the team needs a true wr coach and not a Twitter professional. Urban went on and on in the pre season about how good the receivers were, I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe that yet.
Holmes and Gonzalez (granted it was as a DB) were 4 star recruits, but I think we understand your larger point.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
I agree that the WR need to get better at fundamentals and route running, but we literally don't have 1 starting WR whose main position was WR in HS. Campbell was a RB, Samuel RB, McLaurin flex player, Brown was a TE/RB and a safety. Clark, Dixon, and Hill were WR but all have felt with injury. We need Mack, Victor, and Grimes to be ready to go next year.
You forgot one of OSU's greatest receiver's, Terry Glen, a walk on from a Columbus City league school...
True statement. Playing not to loose again.
"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015. Needs no explanation.
Playing not to lose is playing tight, as in not too loose
I expect Beck will be encouraged to seek employment elsewhere after his two year commitment is up. Kind of like Whithers.
When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.
How bout them Boilermakers?
I hope he takes it.
Hey marine. Guess what, warriner will go because he'LL be a head coach next year.
Do you think playing a bunch of freshmen and then scheduling two consecutive away night games after both team's had byes was going to be a cake walk for these KIDS ?
You are a giant douche, die in a fire.
The lord of brevity.
You dumb MF, POS. I can't stand our fans. F you
You cannot rush the FG team on for a career long and expect anything good to come out of it. That TD is 100% on Urban.
Now we have a Kick Six II...
We can still win our division and get in the playoffs. Show your spirit.
Isaiah Prince two weeks in a row has had multiple false starts and has been destroyed by whoever he matched up with. The whole offensive line was bad, but he has been horrendous
We will show our spirit when we show up for the game next week. For now we're allowed to bitch and wine and say stuff we don't mean. We're human aren't we? We care way too much about this game but...to me this isn't a game. This is a civil war between our states with only pride to pay. So for the next 24 hours im gonna be pissed and then get up and cheer for my team like i always have. #FireBeck
Noticeably horrendous! He looked so bad that I can't believe he wasn't replaced - which leads me to believe he us the best we have - which is not good.
Agreed... Very concerning. If i wasn't against ever watching this game again I would count how many times he missed his assignment... pretty confident it was double digits. If it wasn't for JT's scrambling it would've been twice as many sacks on his head
We deserved this. And the way this team has looked for the last month, we needed this. Hopefully we react like last year. Better to lose now than later.
I thought at the start of the year with such a young team we had a couple of stretches of trap games - including OK. I thought the Back to back games with WI and PSU coming off bye weeks would be tough. NW and NEB back to back could be tough and then ending the season with MSU and um.
After the way we played vs. OK I thought the only way we would lose is if we beat ourselves. We have regressed from OK, or maybe there D was so bad it didn't show up against our O. Our Defensive Backs must be reading their clippings because they didn't look that great. I can't believe how bad our OLine looks - Prince looks totally lost - he was so bad and it was so noticeable, I can't believe they left him in. If that is the best we have - we are in trouble.
Only bright spot - in past years after a loss, we started to play much better. You could feel this one coming - I wasn't even that upset - almost seemed inevitable.
Very reasonable response. I agree, could feel this loss coming. Been playing not to lose
I agree 100%. The line looked awful tonight, but was it any worse than that Va Tech game in 2014? And that line was one of the best in the country after that. I think we all expected a loss coming into the year but those expectations went away when we came out the gates like a bat out of hell. Taking a team this young into Madison for a night game against a top 10 Wisconsin team coming off a bye and following it up with going on the road to Happy Valley to face a team that always gives us problems on the road, also coming off a bye week was a trap we all pointed to at the beginning of the year. We still control our destiny, and Urban's teams have always responded well to these kinds of games.
We control it only if we win out and PSU loses another, right?
I'm not sure that's true. PSU lost big to Michigan, so if we beat Michigan, well, I'm not certain what the tie-break would be, but I'm guessing overall record, in which case, Penn State lost to Pitt, which would leave us tied with Michigan, who we would have beaten heads up.
Again, I'm not positive, but I suspect this might be how it works... but I'm not certain. If I am wrong, it is a concern, because if Penn State somehow were to trump OSU and TTUN in a tie-breaker, that is, presuming they win out, well, there is a fairly decent chance that they might win out.
Thing is, I reflexively thought they still have to play teams like Nebraska, Wisconsin, Northwestern, etc., but no--Iowa is the toughest game remaining on their schedule, and they play them at home. Otherwise, they play @ Purdue, vs. Iowa, @ Indiana, @ Rutgers, and vs. MSU.
You are correct. The first tie break in event of a 3 way tie is overall record which eliminates penn state and a win head to head over TTUN puts us in the B1GCG. If we respond to this loss like we did last year, we will be just fine. Its possible this is just what this team needed.
You're right about Oklahoma's defense making many offenses look better than they are. Tonight, Oklahoma's D gave up 854 yards.
Do they play D in the Big XII?
The way we have been playing as of late, I would necessarily say "stunned"..we all knew if was going to happen eventually, this is a young team..
Young team yes, but this was piss poor play calling, piss poor coaching, piss poor playing. Just sad...We need a new OC, that knows how to call plays. And we need to get rid of Beck. he sucked at Nebraska, he sucks here also. Bad hire Urban, bad hire.......
Wait, your telling me the read option left and read option right, with a pass underneath the sticks on 3rd and long doesn't win games?
Especially when they're actually called in that specific order.
Hahaha, yeah. Two speed options called back to back? Not a good idea...
Coaching has been questionable since the Oklahoma game, not sure how we went to Oklahoma and blew their doors off. I am not sure if Urban has lost his edge but something is different about how he's coaching and motivating this team. We weren't supposed to be a "great" team this year, we were a year away. Not sure how you recover from this, I highly doubt they fire any coaches mid season. I guess it's better to be an underdog going into the "game". I try to remind myself it's only a game and if I feel like shit I can only imagine how the players feel. FUCK MARK MAY!!!
You know that asshole has a big ole grin right now.
Historically, a midseason loss motivates urban Meyer teams. Let's see how mark may feels come January
When you get out-coached by James Franklin, there's really no excuse. Play calling was awful. Execution worse. Defense essentially non-existent when it mattered. And special teams? Maybe Urban should hand them off to someone else. Just "turrible."
And to lose to Ped State is the deepest cut of all.
"You don't win when you're too damned happy, and I like to win"--Woody Hayes
Totally agree! Game falls on Urban Meyer point blank!! They didn't play to win tonight.
Not sure we were out coached. You can't really plan for two blocked kicks in one quarter. That's down to execution.
Running out the field goal team for a long field goal with 7 seconds on the play clock is on Meyer
Well, Brutus, I will respectfully disagree. Weber left, Weber right, four-yard pass on third and seven, over and over again, is really not great coaching. And in spite of our supposed superiority at QB, Ped State managed to throw several long passes successfully. The defense played well in stretches, but the front seven was gashed for long runs far too many times by an undersized O-line that no one thinks is particularly great, and our vaunted d-backs got burned more times than they should have. Aren't blown coverages to some degree coaching issues? And special teams? Poor decisions abounded...by Wilson, Campbell, to name two, and poor execution in the kicking game is generally a result of either poor talent or poor coaching. I'll let you decide.
I gave up trying to keep count how many times the passes on 3rd down were short of the marker.
When your best passing play is a swing pass to Mike Weber over and over, you're going to lose. It was so predictable it was maddening.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
The worst part is that Penn State did everything to give this one away, and the Bucks just repaid their ineptitude with more ineptitude.
DBU? LBU? You can keep those. The Ohio State University is 9unitsU.
Not gonna lie, I'd rather lose now than lose to someone like Michigan. Sucks the road winning streak ends, especially on an awful no call on that blatant PI, but OSU deserved this loss.
Up 21-7 in the 4th, when Samuel takes one 74 yards to the house, and he gets one, one carry after that, is inexcusable. This team needs vast improvements on offense immediately.
Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.
Same thing happened with Zeke vs MSU last year, completely forgotten about...
Amen about rather getting the L out of the way now.
Double Amen about not getting the ball to Samuel more, he was the only one who showed up.
Too many mistakes. Too many missed assignments. Too many missed opportunities to step on the throat. Urban Meyer is the best head coach in the country. He's an average offensive mind, at best. The offense is out of synch and a complete clown show. We telegraph everything we do and are very easy to defend.
We're kinda average in a lot of areas
Buckeye born, Buckeye bred,
and when I die, I'm gonna beat the shit out if Bo Shembechler
The coaching staff plays with fire all the time...this time their ass got burned. Reckless, and careless.
Go ahead and DV, I really don't care
You don't attempt a rushed field goal with the clock about to expire. Ask Art Briles.
Terrible coaching tonight. We can still salvage the season with a win against TTUN.
That loss is straight up coaching. From Urban taking his foot off the gas before the end of the half by not calling timeouts to Warinner and Beck time after time watching an offensive line get beat refusing to give them any help from the RB or TE to free up JT to pass. Not to mention that might be the worst special teams I've seen in a game. Terrible. If you've ever played sports it's really tough switch to flip back on once your coach takes the foot off the gas. That's what you get..drops, poor special teams and a loss when you are 20pt favorite.... just embarrassing..
Should not have punted from PSU's 45 up 21-7. Had them on their heels and should gone to put them away.
And two years ago, I feel like we would've gone for it. I just don't get how this team is moving backwards in its very mindset.
Ugly loss. Several things that we thought we knew were solid about this team-- OL, DBs, Special Teams-- now need a second look. Very hard loss to take.
Alabama would have killed us today, and so would TTUN. That sucks. Bucks played like shit from end of 3Q on. Failures everywhere, and it IS NOT on Barrett.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
Did we actually know any of those things were solid. Not trying to be an ass, jut saying we maybe didn't know for sure.
Substandard coaches like Beck and Smith need to go. Difference betwen Saban and Urban is that Saban is ruthless. Underperformers are gone after a year, not 2-3. Offensive line is horrible too, with Prince being a sieve. Studrawa is not getting it done. Need to get Warriner to just coach the offensive line and hire a new coordinator.
I would still take Urban over Saban. I agree that Beck and Smith are doing poorly. I can't attribute very much positive effect to either of them except for recruiting. Studrawa has a solid resume and I haven't seen enough to say that he's doing a bad job. How the young O-line progresses after this will say a lot.
Yeah, Saban never loses to an inferior team in the regular season or post season ever.
I'd take 4 titles in 7 years..... i don't think there's any question in my mind about that, either. Until Urban does it, I can't say I prefer to have the 2nd best coach over the first. I'd take Urban over anyone else, though.
Maybe we can lure Jim Bollman away from MSU? I heard he's and offensive genius.
Isaiah Prince has no business playing college football. Offense is trash. Defense played great. Special teams are trash. Zach Smith and Tim Beck need to be fired. I would say throw buckets of cash at Tom Herman but that turd just go curb stomped by SMU. Jim Harbaugh is coming in dry and he ain't gonna let up until they win by 40 or more.
MGoBlog Blocked Me On Twitter.
Prince couldn't block me.......or my grandmother.
Harbaugh won't beat Meyer this year, even though it's his best shot for the foreseeable future. The worst thing that could have happened to Michigan is OSU taking a loss like this. Unfortunately. This is what Meyer teams have to go through to turn the corner
You definitely sound angry, Woody.
Win out and we're in the playoffs. Go Bucks!
Unless PSU inexplicably wins out too.
Unfortunately not true. If PSU wins out and we do as well, that leaves a 3 way tie with us, Michigan and them. The committee gets to pick the division champ in that scenario so we have to hope they place us on top. Even then, I think we have to be a few spots above the second highest team for it not to go to other tiebreakers. We need PSU to drop a game to insure our spot.
Maybe tiebreakers have changed, but it used to go to the highest ranking team in the event of a tie. PSU has 2 losses, and UM would have the more recent loss in this scenario. It'd likely go to us.
That ones on the refs. Fck it I would rather have a motivated pissed off team against Michigan. Win out.
Stay the course
We deserved to lose. Passing game was awful, O-line couldn't pass protect against a four-man rush to save their lives, and special teams was straight up putrid. I hope this will be a 2015 MSU type game where we go back and look long and hard about ourselves and how we're playing before making some huge wholesale changes.
Road to the B1G championship and possibly the CFP still runs through scUM, so it's not all over yet, but the margin is now razor thin.
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
Rough night. Passing game was horrendous. Blocking was horrendous. Play calling was horrendous. Officiating was horrendous.
No surprise we lost on the road in a hostile venue. Annoying it had to be against Penn State. Damn, I hate those A-holes.
Oh well. On to the next one. We're still in CFP contention.
Hopefully this gives us the kick in the pants that the MSU loss gave last year.
All Penn State did was poke a sleeping bear. Emphasis on sleeping.
This was a well deserved loss to an opponent that had no business being in the game. Coaches and players had every opportunity to close this out.
The receivers on this team just do not get open.
Their coach is too busy trying to be the king of Twitter.
#shhhhhhut the fuck up and coach your fucking team
If they do get open they drop the ball (Clark) or run the wrong routes (Baugh).
Part of the learning process for the youngest team in the power 5 ... Big concern here are the Oline and Wide Receivers .
Keep the head up guys !!! Time to show character and to work harder !!!
GO BUCKS !!!
MACTE VIRTUTE !!! In Tress I will always trust !!!
If Urban doesn't humble himself and take some responsibility for this abysmal loss, I'm going to puke.
"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir
No room for errors now. Need to go win out. Never thought we would loose a game cause of special teams under Urban but that just happened. Game was in hand and thrown away.
“We don’t get paid to kick field goals!!!” -UFM
Will this be OSU's last loss this year?
Or will they rally and get better? Both players & coaches.
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !
Lose two more
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
I'd love to hear anyone defending Tim Beck and Ed Warriner.
The amount that this team has regressed under the coaching of these two is mindboggling. Both need their asses canned ASAP
Do you remember how young this team is? Or that this is 2 night games in a row in hostile environments against teams with an extra week to prepare? The measure of our coaches will be how this team shows up NEXT week.
Because the players being young has an effect on the playcalling, right?
Both JT and Cardale regressed significantly under the coaching of Beck...this isn't a young players issue, this is a shitty playcalling and shitty coaching issue.
JT was fine, considering how little time he got (from his young supporting cast). This seems more like a shitty fan issue than a coaching one.
being young isn't the thing calling the same vanilla plays and running JT into the dirt. Being young is not rushing special teams out to kick a long ass field goal with no time on the play clock.
Welp, that sucked, gut check time boys. Have not seen much growth over the past few weeks, sadly seem to have regressed in several areas. Bad in every single area tonight, hope they regroup and refocus or NW will be a handful.
When I was 6 I was thinking about this rivalry. This one is seared on your soul, It's ingrained through every part of your body. -Urban Meyer
I wish the camera would pan out so we could see downfield. Is it really possible that we never had an open receiver downfield all night?
We honestly didn't. JT was looking downfield as long as possible but had to settle for the dumpoff or 2 yard run. We are sorely missing our pure WR deep threats, a la Posey or Devin.
From watching the games at the Shoe, it's certainly very possible.
Is the offense no longer a pink elephant?
The interior line wasn't the problem. Both tackles "struggled" to put it mildly.
"Adequately achieving on 40% brawn, 40% Bourbon, and 20% good looks, is over achieving."
I would use the word "sucked".
#struggled was trending tonight on 11W and Twitter
Why does it take a loss for urban to realize that things are not right with the play calling and such.
Hello, my name is Rico and I like to party.
Is it wrong that after the game was over I thought 'Penn State still idolizes a pedophile enabler'?
Not wrong. Kinda funny.
Losing to that fucking piece of shit team is unacceptable. Prince is a joke
We sucked ass. There's no other way to describe that. Special teams was horrendous. At least TTUN tix will be cheaper. D let the team down from end of 3Q forward, and O was no better. Terrible effort from coaches to kicker. SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We'll see if it's a mental motivator or a mail it in next weekend.
Luckily all of our lines will grade out as all Americans during film tomorrow. Between the offensive play calling, a qb who can't throw down field and no front (o d or special teams) that can do shit I'm not sure who I'm more upset with
The O-Line was beat all night long. We ran the same play to start every drive. It's tough to take a loss like this after looking so good against OU. But, this is supposed to be a rebuilding year. As a spoiled Buckeye fan I am extremely disappointed. As an objetive viewer, this was bound to happen sooner or later and we should be better after this.
Bonus: the band wagon wont be as crowded.
Enjoying the Buckeyes from a warmer climate.
Only one positive here: penn state exposed all the areas we need vast improvement in. Now season is just about trying to get better in time to spoil Harbaughs perfect season.
We've known some of these issues all season, especially with the false start penalties. It isn't getting better.
I tho't Wisconsin provide the "exposition of weakness and the motivation for improvement" the week before Penn State.
WTF was that no interference call bs? No line play but getting homered too?
For all the deficiencies on offense, and Urban losing his nerve at exactly the wrong time (the decision to punt on the 4th-and-3 when it was still 21-7 and PSU looked beaten), this game is still a win if:
1. Johnston doesn't take his sweet time and allow a punt to be blocked (3 points)
2. Meyer doesn't inexplicably rush the FG unit out even though Durbin would be attempting the longest FG of his career -- no argument with the decision to kick, but why the rush? (7 points)
And man, Isaiah Prince is totally overmatched at this point of his career.
Defense played well, but both PSU TD drives were the results of bad letdowns that shouldn't happen.
The officiating bailed out the Nits in the fourth quarter to some extent, but there's a reason it's called home field advantage. It shouldn't have been close enough to be a factor.
Urban deserves some heat for this one.
Worley was the culprit on the punt block. You never, as a blocker, let anyone "cross your face" and let them gain the inside advantage.
Born and bred a Buckeye - Buckeye 'til I die
My sentiments exactly, Capt, but you expressed it much, much better than I could.
I would simply rant: what the heck was #35 thinking?
We need to seriously evaluate our tackles prince and Jones played horrible.
They didn't play well, but there's no reason to believe they aren't our two best options, especially with Pridgeon unable to play this season. We need some fourth and fifth year tackles, and don't have them.
Congratulations Penn State! A well deserved win against a formidable opponent.
Neil Armstrong lied to me...
Way to take the high road, BB! There's less traffic there tonight. UV for you.
You'd think after 3 weeks of this same Offensive shit we'd see some changes. NOTHING changed. Shouldn't be surprised at all by this. Indiana, Wisky, and now PSU have shown how freaking easy it is to game plan when you are going against unimaginative clowns calling the plays for us.
Fields of Dreams
Just an ugly game. That's what it comes down to
Congratulations to Penn State. They played well and won.
This is why we play the games.
I don't like it, but I can read the numbers on the scoreboard.
Go Bucks, win out and kick ass. With class.
You win with people
Prince is the worst player to ever put on the scarlet and grey. I had high hopes for him but he is basically the Pitt Brown/Bauserman of the OL
Now we know why Pridgeon was brought in. He'll start at LT next season. And Meyers at RT. Yes as a freshman.
Worst ever? No.
Hey guys, tune in tomorrow to watch the Cleveland Browns and see how a real offense looks!
Who would have thought that the Browns would have a better fucking offense than the Buckeyes?
Absolutely pathetic performance. Deserved to lose. Offensive play calling is embarrassing. Can't complete a pass father than 10 yards downfield. Line was a disaster. Penn State is not a good team and they out-willed us at every position.
I just don't get what is wrong with our offensive play calling. you would think with a seasoned qb such as JT it would be better. This team has a big decision to make this weak. Either fold and lose a few more, or fix the problems and win out and win the B1G and go to the playoff.
"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa
Tim Beck is a fucking joke of a coach and Ed Warriner is in over his head.
Nebraska was fucking laughing at us for hiring this clown, and we all know why
This Penn state is fuckin awful
This is the result of playing soft entitled football. Michigan beat this team 58-10.
49-10. But whatever, let's go overboard on this
Zero screen passes, zero misdirection plays...Zero jet sweeps...Zero imagination on offense. This is on the coaches....this is on Urban....they deserved to lose they way the play on offense has been for 3 str8 weeks. Tought pill to swallow but this is what they get. I love my Bucks.....but if Indiana, Wisky AND Penn State can through the ball down field then we should be able to. Maybe this team especially on offense IS basic because it sure does look like it.
DIP--exactly my thoughts. Not using all the talent available is a crying shame .
They ran one jet sweep for negative yardage.
what happened to the offensive line ?
We needed this wake up call an honestly we could afford it. But what to do with Isiah Prince? Getting beat bad every snap that was a called pass. They read him and knew.
Wordness to the turdness
I tho't Wisconsin was the wake-up call. Or was it Indiana?
Good morning Viet Nam. If it's Tuesday we're in Belgium.
(Since Buck68 isn't on here tonight I've tried an impersonation.)
This team has the worst wrs I have seen in a long long time. None of them can run a route or create any separation. And the oline is terrrrrible.
Put this game in the rear view and get ready for Northwestern.
I don't think I own enough mouthwash to get rid of the bad taste out of my mouth. Pathetic coaching, ridiculously bad play calling, sloppy execution, and an ole from the offensive line. The Buckeyes absolutely earned this ass kicking... sadly it has been coming over the last three games!
I'd love to know what fucking genius is responsible for calling the exact same plays on 1st and 2nd down the entire game. My god I seriously believe Earle Bruce or Jim Bollman somehow took over the play calling..
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We'll be playing games in bad weather every year. There's no excuse for that, I don't wanna hear it. I'm fucking tired over the years of watching us lose games that we have no business losing.
I fully expected the Buckeyes to be toating a loss into November. I just expected it to come in Norman or Madison, against a good team, with competent coaches. I'm really shocked that they lost to such a mediocre team. Let's be honest - everything is still on the table for this team. Win out and they B1G champs and a lock for the CFP. There's plenty for them to work on moving forward, and I still think that they'll sort it out in the long run.
I have finally come around to the thought that perhaps it's time to start considering other candidates for QB coach/OC. The lack of development and creativity from an Urban Meyer team is stunning.
Ohio State ran the ball on first down, EVERY TIME. (Except for the last two minutes)
If i could change my username, i would
So we won't get to see a Barf gif now... Thanks a lot Buckeyes. If it were easy to win every game more teams would do it. We sucked tonight. Regroup. Learn. Get better and get on to the next one.
For real...Urban owes Barf a personal apology.
CARDALE JONES! CARDALE! JONES, THE WHOLE STATE OF OHIO IS COUNTING ON CARDALE JONES!
Why in the hell cant we get a OC that knows how to open a play book. I don't get it. Other teams can do it. It isn't like there isn't talent on the team. We need a better qb coach too, Beck needs to go. really don't know why they hired him to begin with. The whole team just plain played like total shit. Frustrating watch 1 st and 10 run up the middle almost every F.... Time. Hardly any slants, screens you name it to slow rush down. All this talent and crappy coaching, crappy play calling. Weather isn't a excuse. love my Buckeyes, but damn, that was just bad play calling. My wife new what was going to be played and as I said in other post, she doesn't know much of anything about football. That was plain pathetic.
Yeah our offense the last two years under Beck and Warriners play calling has been so boring, safe, and awful. For having so many supposed fast guys we play slow and tedious.
I think this will all work itself out when Warriner gets a head coaching gig this off season. Urban needs to go out and find another under the radar up and coming offensive mind.
Wild thought, but if Rich Rod gets canned at Arizona, I can see Urban bringing him in.
Worst part is we have a better wr coach as an advisor right now
Yeah, UFM needs to shake up the offensive staff this offseason. Beck has had his 2 seasons, not sure anyone can still go to bat for the guy. Warriner and Smith need to go to work big time this offseason, and probably look for other opportunities. Youth and talent weren't prepared tonight, didn't execute, and the breaks ran out. Spoilers at this point, but only if a ton of corrections are made. Hard to imagine this team winning next 2 games, especially if no changes are made.
36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3"
The coaches again are to blame.
First off, that FG try was awful. We should have not rushed it. Secondly, the special teams in general were just awful. Third, I don't know why it is that Beck and Warriner can't understand if it isn't broke don't fix it. Weber was moving the ball on that drive before that incredibly bad FG attempt. And suddenly he was pulled from the field. Finally, Prince was our Achilles Heel tonight. He was constantly getting beat and was a penalty magnet.
Props to PSU for sticking with it, but it sucks our defense has to take this loss when they played solid considering the situation.
Football is a religion in Ohio. We attend our service every fall on the banks of the Olentangy. A place we affectionately call "the shoe".
Welp...back to the drawing board.
Talk about snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory...
Hopefully the young ones can quit thinking about the NFL draft for a bit.
Relax guys. Urbans teams historically perform their best with their backs against the wall. Yes we looked terrible in nearly every facet of the game including coaching. But the world has not ended. Reading through the comments and this is the meltdown we mock other fanbases for. For those that clearly forgot, the world ended last year and we responded pretty well. The season isn't over.
For those that clearly forgot, the world ended last year and we responded pretty well. The season isn't over.
Who's saying that? Only the clown fans.
I know its the clown fans, but theres been plenty of it up above. To counter that point though, there has been a whole lot of reaction taking it in stride as well. So kudos to those handling this well.
This is the youngest team in all of the power 5 conferences. We lost 12 players to the NFL.
Maybe we've been playing ABOVE ourselves until today? Has anybody thought of that?
People start to believe rankings. I did feel that we had enough talent to overcome youth after Oklahoma, but I think we know that it takes time to develop. That was a smoke screen.
Yeah, it is not the end. But we must get better and quickly. We need style points from here on out.
Taking it all in stride? "Beware of accepting failure readily."
I expected up to lose 2-3 games coming into this season. I shouldnt be so mad about it, but were literally getting worse and worse every week compared to any growth that we saw in 2014 for example.
I think we're all totally justified in our letdown considering how the Bucks performed against Oklahoma. It's been a pretty shocking downward spiral, for sure.
The "growth" in '14 wasn't any better than it is this year (remember we should have lost at Penn state that season too). Your memory is skewed by the late season surge and a national title. The 2014 team was no better at the week 8 point than this VERY young edition is.
The lack of effort was embarrassing tonight. Every coach should be embarrassed by the lack of effort, play calling, and outcome. OSU lost every battle.
Breakdowns across the board. Offensive line, defense and especially special teams.
Week by week the limitations are being exposed. I gave Prince the benefit of the doubt against TJ Watt but tonight looked even worse.
There are no quick fixes for this, but they should still have a good year.
Its a sad thing to see Ohio State get out coached by Penn State (James Franklin) uggggh
the youth of this team is catching up with them...
as is the inept WR play, and play calling in general...
The one time a downfield pass was going right, we get a missed PI call. Nothing went right in that game.
Win out, beat Michigan, win the big 10, and we are in the playoffs. No one needs to be fired, make some adjustments, win the Natty
I don't know who is to blame, but that was hot fucking ugly garbage.
We all suspected it.
All that's left is to rise up.
Can someone screen grab the image of a football literally BOUNCING OFF THE HELMET of our receiver and tweet it to Zach Smith? Maybe then he will shut his mouth and coach his players. They are the worst unit on the team. #zone6
It is hard to catch when a defender pulls your arm away from the ball.
Yeah, but he had another arm. He didn't have to try the facemask as option 2...
'Let the players play in big moments'..... hate this line. Why have penalties at all then
Exactly! Whoever advocates that is a half wit.
E+R=O. Go Bucks
That was a total team loss, game plan, play calls, effort, decision making.......nobody coached or played well! Hopefully they won't let PSU beat us twice by being as ill prepared next week. Top ten, maybe....top 4 , not this year.
Well, that escalated quickly.
Baseball was better with steroids
All I can say is, good luck, Mods, on the impending deluge of crap threads coming your way.
How much do they get paid for that job?
5 Schrute Bucks/hr
They deserved to lose this game the way they came out playing flat. They need to figure things out. Urban needs to put a shoe up the asses of both OC's. I guess the only good thing about this loss is that they can grow from it. Look what happened after they lost to MSU last year. How about the luck of playing in the rain in four out of seven games? That is crazy.
I wish Smithston could add his take /s
Just keep winning!
Right?! I guess ya never know what you've got till its gone. Don't worry though MMan/Mron/Smithston will be back
I really hope Purdue hires Ed Warnier and he takes Zach Smith with him. The O-line play is on the players, particularly Jones and Prince. Special Teams errors = coaching error. Disappointing loss, but I think it may be the best medicine we needed, assistant coaches need to feel the heat on their seat.
Two horrible calls on refs didn't help but we should never have been in that position
I'm officially over Tim Beck....I understand he is only Co-coordinator but the offense hasn't been right since he got to Columbus. I know the players are young and mistakes are going to happen but they also aren't being put in great positions to succeed.
MAKING THE GREAT STATE OF OHIO PROUD
Not to mention he's a dog shit QB coach too.
Just imagine if JT developed like Deshaun Watson.
Eh not a great example. Watson looks like a pile of ass this year and is a TO waiting to happen.
SHIT HAPPENS,LIFE IS LIVING PROOF!!!!!! WE DESERVED TO LOSE THE GAME!!!! WE PLAYED POORLY,PERIOD!!!! ON TO NEXT WEEK!!!! GO BUCKS!!!!!
Amen. The OL got 'schooled' tonight...
Can't give up 17 points in the 4th quarter with a junior high offense running the game shit over and over
Every part of the offense is trash. Samuel had less than five carries.
+200 on yds
+ 15:00 time of possession
+ 1 on turn overs
+ 6 on first downs
we lost this game on penalties and special teams protection.
"just a guy, nothing more, nothing less" ~ Some troll then *poof* he was gone
Mahalo JedKat, the Buckeyes played poorly but they were NOT outplayed-- except for the kicking game.
Is anyone REALLY surprised though? This offense has been limping along since Herman left. It's had moments of playing well, but generally it just overwhelms opponents with talent.
Yes there was the blocked FG and the blown PI call. But it shouldn't have even come to that, we tucked head into our shell in the 4th and started wondering about the airport time. Pitt, Temple, Michigan, and Minnesota all scored more points against PSU. Let's not try to hype them up as a good team. This combination of OC's will not win a championship, they won't even make the playoffs.
The Emperor has no clothes. That means you, Urban. Just you.
It's odd that the youth issues we expected in the beginning of the season showed up now. The team that came to play in Oklahoma or even in Madison wasn't there tonight. Play calling was frustrating, would have liked to see more Samuel. Refs didn't help but it shouldn't have come to that.
Looking forward, there is still opportunity to do something this year. The team is talented, but lots of work and now some luck is what we need. Go Bucks.
Youth my ass. Do you know how "young" this Penn State team is? Do you know how many walk ons they've played this year?
Please. This is the worst loss against an undermanned opponent I have seen in many, many years. And it's on the annointed one...Urban Meyer. All $ 4 Million of him...... per year.
That Oklahoma win looks less impressive each week. They lost by double digits to a team that will probably finish 3rd in the AAC group of five conference. And, though OK won yesterday, they gave up over 800 yards on defense. They have given up 40 points four times already this season. While Ohio State's defense performed well against Oklahoma's good offense, conclusions drawn about osu's offense we're very premature.
Offensive line didn't help but how do we have no wide receivers after years of stock piling high 4 stars? We have like 10 former 4 star receivers on the roster but still no credible deep threat. Hard to believe.
We have receivers but they can't run the correct routes (Baugh) and catch the ball when it hits them in the face mask (Clark).
Clark was interfered with, no question - the defender was hanging on his arm halfway down the field with the official looking right at it - I don't usually bitch at the refs, but that was such an obvious PI, that the officials are going to hang their heads when they see the replay ....
Urban needs to coach up some coaches and get this ship righted. Actually, he needs to coach himself up a bit too. It's time to put away the young team card. This was game seven. It's time to step up and be men and move forward. Oh yeah, and it's time to hope Penn State loses at least one more conference game so the Buckeyes can control their own destiny.
PSU blocked a punt and field goal. Scored 10 points off those plays. Thats how upsets like this happen. And to everyone else complaining about the coaching... well i agree. New year, new team. similar results as last year. sub par offense since OK.
"Mongo only sausage in bowl of soup"
Nights like this make me wonder why I come on here anymore. The level of vitriol spewed at one of the best coaching staffs in the nation after one of our exceedingly rare losses is ridiculous. We went way beyond expectations so far this year and finally fell back to the mean in a difficult environment to play. It sucks. We'll live. We had some issues exposed. I'm sure this will help get them patched up. We will live.
It gets pretty nasty. You see a dark side of a lot of commenters. Still quite a few people who manage to be adults about the whole situation, but the open threads are not for the faint hearted for sure and I rarely venture on because I know what I see will be depressing. This was really disappointing, considering it came from a team that had no business hanging around, but our weaknesses have been known for a while and someone was going to capitalize on them sometime. I just hope we can take the next few weeks to get better and not lose to the booger-eating devil from the north.
Yea. The demonstration of doing the same thing and expecting the same results did not pan out tonight. They fell a sleep and the other team did not. Had the game in the bag and couldn't close the deal.
There is no denying bad play calling and the rush out career long FG was really bad too. Yes, Urban is an incredible coach and the coaching staff is excellent, but tonight was not good.
Buckeye fans all over the country like
Tough L. A lot of finger pointing can be made. A championship caliber team doesn't do that, and gets better, hopefully we do that again this year
I would have sworn Tresses wasn't coaching here anymore.
Barney Fife lives, and he lives amongst us.
Sorry chic. When Tress lost a few games to Penn State.....it was against good Penn State teams. He NEVER lost to a shit show like this. You might want to rethink your cynicism toward Tress....and any reverence you have to Meyer. They have the same # of Nattys, just in case you forgot.
The loss to Penn State in Tressel's first year was at least this bad.
C'mon....Tress's first team was terrible. That's why Michigan couldn't take them serisously and we beat them.
You can do better than that, Chuck.
They blew a huge lead, is what I was referring to.
Nut I think Chic was referencing the insanely conservative play calling we've saw (in most big games since the departure of Tom Herman) tonight. It was eerily similar to 2008 Penn State. So many drives went run, run, pass, punt that I too was looking for a sweater vest on the sidelines.
2 carries for samuel in the 2nd half? Maybe 3? Tim Beck has officially cost this program 2 playoff births. It is incompetence. Now it is time for this buckgrad to take a 2 week eleven warrior sabbatical.
Beck is a high paid spotter, 04. Your anger is misplaced. Think of pointing it somewhere else -- like Meyer.....where it belongs.
We truly had to try to lose this game, and that was the only area (besides Curtis Samuel) where we gave a good effort.
Damn you Mark May!!!! Why didn't you pick the Lions?
2 undefeated seasons neither of which went for championships
Exactly. Even at Florida he had some head scratchers.
Unbelievable, can't fathom how a team with this much talent can lose to freaking penn state. Their team isn't even good, but somehow we let them come back from 21-7. Things that came back to bite us: offensive play calling (shocker, been our achilles for the past two years), O line play, and most of all special teams. Also doesn't help that the refs blew a blatant PI call that neutralized our final drive. If we beat TTUN, this is still a successful season in my opinon. Time to focus on making michigan our bitch again!!
One thing people tend to forget is that the Bucks ARE the youngest team in the country. I'm as die hard as they get and I lost sight of that fact. That was an epic loss though and painful. It's not going to be a fun practice week. Also, playing 2 teams coming off of bye weeks and 2 hostile night games in a row is tough.
I wonder if people are forgetting it? We sure hear it a lot, which is all good and true and fair. Thing is, this tends to fall in one of two directions--either they get a whole lot better, because they learn for their mistakes, which is what we all hope and expect, or they look relatively raw and exposed.
The future will tell. I really think it's what you think, because those were two super hostile crowds, two weeks in a row with teams coming off a bye week. Tall order, on doubt. But then, sometimes when you're vulnerable, you incidentally reveal weakness that nobody previously spotted, and that's my fear.
In fact, I think this fear has already been realized. That is, when the competition looks at tape--as we just saw--it sees an increasingly target-rich environment. Teams have clearly identified and clearly exploited genuine weaknesses. The big question is how quickly we can adapt?
I don't have an answer for that, although the track record of the whole program and the coaching staff suggests that we'll be up to the task. In any case, it'll be fun to see, precisely because the weaknesses have become so glaring that it will be equally glaring (in a good way) for the team/staff to make them go away.
Youth isn't an excuse after what we saw from them in Madison. This isn't on the players. This is on staff.
Every single coach on that staff needs to take a hard look in the mirror. Their stunning incompetence lost us this game. And that includes the head coach. That rushed field goal because of their incompetence and indecision was inexcusable. How many ridiculous, should have never happened losses like this do we have to suffer through? PSU, really? And how many horrible to mediocre QB's are we going to make look like Brett Favre? How many games is the D Line going to rush past the QB, allowing him to step up and out of pressure with a clear view of his targets downfield? How many quarters of that sorry fucking playcalling do they have in them? See Samuel break a huge one and then never hand him the damn ball again. See weber struggling all night and keep feeding him. See option not working and keep running. See PSU selling out on blitzes and never make them pay for it with a simple slip screen. Tim Beck, please do not pass go, do not collect your paycheck, and go straight to wherever the hell you came from... oh right, that was nebraska when their QB's SUCKED and the PASSING GAME WAS TERRIBLE. Urban, this is on you. Thanks for all the great moments, but these stains... MSU (twice) and now PSU... these will never wash off. Thank you for giving insufferable fucking PSU fans a year of insufferable bragging. Thanks for making us that disgrace of a University, it's first signature win. Disgusted!
A gentle reminder to BE NICE. Plays guitar and makes iced tea in the winter.
This better not ruin the Indians' mojo.
Priority #1: Beat Michigan
One stat everyone forgets about is urban has never had an undefeated national championship team! I think this may be our wake up call. Two teams on the road that had be weeks to prepare for us!
GO BUCKS! !!!
My plan for this season was win three of the four tough road games (OKLA, WISC, PSU, and MSU who is trash now) and win our home games and we're in the Big 10 CG with a shot at the playoff. We're gonna bring it against Harbaugh just like last year. That team is not invincible. We were in a worse situation last year and came out of it alright. The ceiling is still really high for this team.
That said I think it's time for Beck and Smith to update their resumes.
Sorry, I couldn't resist...
It's a disappointment. There had to be an incredible amount of bad breaks for this to happen, and they happened. I've been watching the Buckeye since 1968. So I've been through a few of these. Honestly I'm going to be bummed out for about 10 more minutes. It's just another game out of an 11 other regular games. There really only is one THE GAME.. For me, for my dad before me and for my kids now, it's ALL about beating Michigan. We do that and all is right in the universe as far as I'm concerned.
Been saying for awhile now the offensive play calling needs to be better and I've been getting hammered for that. Welp, this was downright embarrassing to lose to that team that Michigan just plain ran over. Back to the drawing board I suppose....
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
I'd like to find the positives in this game, but there weren't any .... Poor play selection, two offensive tackles that aren't even MAC calibre and a coaching decision to rush a field goal team on the field to attempt a career long FG, instead of going for it on 4th down (as they did all game).
What really drove me insane tonight, was both tackles trying to kick step like they had just finished running a marathon. Sorry, but it wasn't the speed off the edge that was hurting them, it was the fact that they were just too damned lazy to move their feet. O-Line is an easy job - it's like being a whore - you make your money by keeping your man between your legs. That's tough to do, when you stop moving your feet and become a turnstile .....
Forget the NC series, as we'll be lucky to stay in the top 10 ..... I'm more concerned with JT's health when we play Michigan, because those 2 pile-ons that we have at tackles will be run over and around like they weren't there. If I was Barrett, I'd be planting my size 11 cleats up both of their asses for mailing in their effort tonight.
Let's also give some credit for the loss to those amazing officials, who had a great deal of difficulty in making the right calls in the 4th quarter. Horse collar (not even remotely close) and the missed PI on the ball that hit our receiver's helmet.
Anyway - cold, wet and windy weather (smells like the Michigan State game last season) ..... we better get ready for the Wildcats, because they are better than Penn State (actually, there are lots of teams better than PSU - including a Michigan team that lit them up for 49 points .....
Good stuff, Canuck. I esp. liked the Canadian wisdom that our big, ugly offensive tackles should be like whores!
And there's nothing quite like "nights under the lights," whether it's MIch State or Wisconsin or Penn State, when the rain is falling and the wind is blowing and everyone, players and fans and officials, are freezing in the sunless cold at a "sub-prime time" when players are not at their prime because their bodies think they should be in bed asleep to get up for the early morning workouts, so they are asleep on the field.
Urbs needs to bring someone with a downfield passing pedigree. Warriner and Beck are spread guys, just like him. Teams are bringing safeties within 7 yards of the line of scrimmage and even when we try to go downfield, they still have us blanketed. It's obvious that we are very predictable, and are fooling no one. There's an easy recipe to beat us. It's been toyed with the last 3 weeks and couple of big and broken plays beat us and broke our backs.
While I thought a team with 45 freshmen or red-shirt freshmen would have some low moments this year, I didn't see this one coming. Losing to a James Franklin coached team and PSU, under any terms, is hard to stomach.
Hopefully the Buckeyes can rebound and out this one behind them quickly just as the 2014 team did after losing to VT. Go Bucks!
Terrible execution on offense and special teams. Worse I have seen from an Urban Meyer team.
Every team in the Big is doing the same thing to us defensively as Michigan State did last year yet Beck and Warriner CANNOT figure it out. Wisconsin did the EXACT same thing to us last week.
"Joey, you like movies about gladiators"?
They're all doing it to us. Indiana did it to us the last 2 years and we couldn't make them pay. Indiana. Fathom that.
Penn State very nearly did same thing to us in 2014. They don't respect our vertical passing game at all and so they just pin their ears back and bull rush all night long. They never wavered from this philosophy and Ohio State couldn't do a single thing about it. You have to got to slow a rush like that down with a vertical passing attack otherwise defenses are going to do this every single play. Penn State simply went with what worked the last time. Shame on Penn State though. Their defense flew around that field like their lives depended on it. Not sure where that effort has been hiding all year? They haven't really shown up all year. I bet they lose to Purdue. For all intents and purposes, their season was done with tonight.
We all see it. Why can the guys being paid handsomely see it?
One problem is the passing attack, but the solution is not just bombs away vertical passing. The long bombs thrown deep take more time and so do not stop the blitzing, they just give the on-rushing D more time to get to the QB. And the O-line was not giving JT much if any time anyway. Instead it's the short and intermediate passing that will burn the blitzers-- quick slants, screen passes and esp. tosses over the on-rushing linebackers to the tight-ends.
You cried, admit it.
One mystery to me is why kamikaze pilots wore helmets.
Mich is going to boat race Ohio State. This offense is anemic, poorly coached and soft
Get back to me when Michigan beats anyone with a pulse away from home.
I kept telling myself that also but this osu team is offensively inept
If you can't throw the ball deep, you make everything else a lot harder. You at least have to try to throw deep, even in the rain.
Where's the obligatory "Fire Fickell" comments.
IMHO, J.T. has taken major steps backwards lately and I am at a loss to understand why. Are they over coaching him? Is it the pathetically predictable Earle Bruce/Jim Bollman offense? Receivers? Something is terribly wrong with this offense and it has shown itself over the last three games! They had better get this shit fixed or we are in for more of these pathetic efforts over the next few games.
Just a reminder before I go to bed
Tomorrow @ 1PM the Browns take on the Bengals. Feel free to tune in and watch how an actual offense operates, feel free to invite Terrible Tim and Brain Dead Ed to take notes.
Beck and warriner are inept. They cannot make adjustments nor call a functional game
As always, blame Urban, too. He has as much to do with the offense as anyone and is the dominant voice. He's the best head coach in the country, average offensive mindset at best. He should be seeking someone on the staff that has a downfield passing pedigree. The 2 spread guys he has on his staff that are just like him is limiting.
Great motivator, recruiter but an average game designer
Believe me, when I'm calling our play before it's snapped from my couch and from C deck, we're predictable.
Believe me, when I'm calling our play before it's snapped from my couch and from C deck, we're predictable.
I don't think you give yourself enough credit, Knarcisi.
And that means what?
That means you are an AWESOME play caller if you can call plays that multi-million $ professionals can call!!!! You don't give yourself enough credit, bro!!!!
Fuck you, pal. You and and exclamation points. I was actually calling myself some dumbass sitting on my couch and in C deck. But you have to come in here with your self righteous fucking attitude.
Wow. You need a nap. I know you didn't mean it.
Big Ten takes a nose dive.
OK, I'm into making excuses, too. So we go to the 2 toughest places to play in the country, back to back weeks, at night, and both teams get a bye week right before playing us. Should Gene Smith not be doing a little bitching here? Who schedules this shit?
Sorry Knarcisi....you're too smart for that kind of self pity ....maybe not against WI...but THIS.......Penn State team? C'mon, dude.
I know. And you know I've never made excuses on here. I guess that's the cross you bare when you're us and take everyone's best shot, while our fucking wine and cheese crowd in our stadium can't produce half the homefield advantage that these 2 teams do.
And people should stop bashing James Franklin on here. His team and his staff outplayed, outexecuted, and outcoached ours.
I'm with everyone on the o line struggling but I see something the last 2 weeks and if I see it of course the opposing coaches see it. They never change the cadence. Once JT's hand went down the ball was snapped. Every defender can see it the o line can't. They have a distinct advantage there and used it to dominate the line. Wisconsin figured it out in about 10 plays, it took Penn St a half to.
Si vis pacem parabellum.
Cpewster, I agree totally with your comment about the JT's "hand down" snap signal !!! I said it last week and I said it last night early in the first quarter, if they don't change the snap sequence they were doomed. I played and coached football and I know the OSU coaches have to recognize this OR maybe not! But changes need to be made or we may lose ALL games away from the SHOE. PSU was not blitzing (as the announcers stated)...they only knew when the ball was being snapped before our O line!
They play like this, nothing is a certain win from here on. Northwestern, Nebraska, MSU, UM all could beat this team. Hope this loss was a wake-up call to Urban and he does a serious evaluation of the coaching. Beck just seems incompetent. Warriner's playcalling is mediocre; he needs to go back to coaching the offensive line. Studrawa has not done a good job with the offensive line; JT the last 2 games had a lineman in his face in 3 seconds. "Rah rah" guys like Smith and Coombs need to be seriously looked at. How much coaching are they really doing? I've always thought Fickell is a great recruiter but an average coach. Johnson and Schiano are the only truly great assistant coaches on this staff.
Is coach Meyer in denial about Wilson returning punts? Seriously, why is Wilson still returning punts? Three years in a row not able to handle punts, making poor decisions and never making up for his mistakes.
I've wanted to see Demario McCall back there but no one listens to me...
If I wake up tomorrow and find it wasn't the end of the world, I will light candles at church. I mean I don't want either the Cubs or Indians to win. That NEVER should have happened!
And we lose to Penn State. That isn't horrible but Miss Again will now be ranked 2. That's unacceptable!
I won't even discuss politics.
I know I'll be up all night.
Stronzo The Great
All the above are 'seals on the devils cage being broken' end of times type crap.
This loss is all on URBAN MEYER. With the Game on the line and 2 time outs in his pocket he decides LATE to rush the field goal squad onto the field for our 1st year field goal kicker, Tyler Durbin to kick his longest attempt in his career, in the most hostile environment he has ever been , with the game in the balance. URBAN MEYER LET THAT HAPPEN, NOBODY ELSE !!
Any coach with his head not so far up his ass would have called a timeout, settled everyone down, and gave his kicker a honest shot. URBAN FAILED TO DO THAT.
Moreover, Urban has been very good at some things, no doubt, BUT game management isnt one of those things. In fact he is the worst game manager OSU has ever had in my lifetime. He has repeatedly fucked up making the proper decisions. This one cost his team the game, and maybe a chqnce at a Nat'l Championship.
Theire is only one truth...
May be time to reconsider your moniker.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
You remember the QB competition that lasted all last season, that was Urban's pride not wanting to admit he picked the wrong guy. I wouldn't want anybody else as the head coach of tOSU but Urban seems to have an issue admitting when he's not right.
What a horrible loss. That is a really bad Penn state team.
Now that I got my negative post out of the way, here is my positive one. That team out there on that field is still 50 times better than PSU. It was abundantly clear that few if any of them wanted to be playing that game. They thought they could coast through it and would have, not had it been for the coaches stunning decision to rush that field goal, knowing how important it was and what a block might mean. This team is still bad ass. That D is still one of the best in the country. As far as the actually player side of this loss, it's 100% because they didn't feel like playing today. It was cold, it was rainy and Penn State is boring and exceedingly hard to get up for, esp when it's cold and rainy. I repeat, this team is would kill psu 9/10 times, by 4 scores or more.
And this loss doesn't even matter. We're still in the race for a B10 Championship. We WILL win the B10. This loss will wake these guys up and we'll pretty much slaughter everyone from here on out. They went to sleep. They got complacent... and really I don't blame them. PSU is a joke of a team and a disgraceful university whose administration oversee the perpetual sexual abuse of young boys and covered it up. Some will say, oh don't bring that up. Why the heck not? It's true. If I were a player, I'd have a hard time even stepping foot on that field and legitimizing that team and university. I sure as hell wouldn't be pumped up to play them, especially in the cold and rain. So I can't blame the guys for not giving it their all.
We'll run the table, become big 10 champs, slip into the playoffs and win another championship. This was the wake up call they needed. Now let's get to it boys. KILL SCUM!!!
PSU holds the tie-breaker with us though. They have @Purdue, Iowa, @Indiana, @Rutgers, and MSU left. They might run the table from here.
Indiana will smoke them... and Iowa is a very good team. Did you see them play wisky today? And who knows... maybe MSU will even wake up before season's end. The chance they win out is slim to none.
Its still Penn State and they're still coached by James Franklin. Could they win out? Absolutely. In fact, they should win out, and thats exactly why I don't think they will. Even if they do, as long as we win out and TTUN doesn't lose before us, we create a 3 way tie thus giving the highest ranked team the spot in the B1GCG.
When you just got beat, and I do mean BEAT, by a team , its not appropriate to claim we are better, we are not, norbthat we would beat them 9/10 times, we wont and havent. We played just like we play, period. We have beat nobody worth a shit this entire year, we just got exsposed for being a slightly above average team. We will lose at least two more games. Michigan for certain, and to either Nebraska or NW next week. We are what we are, overrated and a one dimensional team with a decent defense.
Sorry, but that is incorrect. We are better than them, much, much better. And we will not lose "at least two more games". This game was what it was. A team who didn't feel like playing and a coaching staff who made a huge error in judgement that cost them the game. Be sure to bookmark this. I'll come back and eat crow if I'm wrong, but I won't be.
No way man...we controlled the game for 3 quarters and were kicking a field goal to go up with 4:00 minutes on the road. We've played two good teams (and yes Oklahoma is a good team). There is no way we lose two more games. The big ten stinks...there is not another team outside of Michigan that has a shot (and no Nebraska is not coming into the Shoe and beating us). Michigan has played 1 road game and barely beat Wisconsin at home.
"Why didn't we run Zeke?"
...and did you just say that we have beaten nobody worth a shit this year? Really?
The first down inside zone read has got to stop. It's waaaaaay too predictable.
Isaiah Prince should be benched.
We have run that same fucking inside zone read play on first down for three fucking years. Warriner and Beck are just SHIT at forcing teams to stop what they are doing defensively. They let the opposing teams defense control the game. It is insane how they will not use slants, short vertical passes, and screens to prevent the defense from sending the house. It is like they never learn.
Time to hire and/or promote two new OC's. If you disagree, well let's just say you are in denial.
Now that we've all vented appropriately, win out and I'm good.
Not if PSU wins out. Maybe this win springboards them. It seemed unimaginable when they were destroyed by UM, but now it is a very real possibility they win out.
If I were Warrinner I would do the smart thing and take a new coaching job after this season, because lets be honest, after a season and a half of this the answers just aren't there. He's on the clock
Let's be honest... they looked pretty damn good from scum last year up through oklahoma. I actually bought into the both in the press box thing because it immediately got better and stayed better. But something has changed in the last 3 weeks. I don't know what it is, but it was a dramatic regression. Don't tell me quality of teams either because PSU sucks total ass.
Disapointing loss. 2nd road game in a row at night. Home team coming off a bye week again. Young team. That's difficult to do, and our team got beat. I still love the Bucks. I'm not angry, I thought we would lose 1 or 2 this year due to inexperience. These Buckeyes are still a very good, very talented group. On to the next one and keep grinding young Bucks. I'm glad the next one is at home. GO BUCKS!
Still Not Our Rivals. On to the Nerds.
I thought we were playing with house money all season...
Just terrible play-calling and execution throughout the game; my question is, why was the hurry-up offense so slow? It makes it hard to use tempo as an advantage in an end-of-game situation. Obviously, lots of things need fixed, so we'll see what happens (I just wish I could say I'm optimistic).
Penn State should not lose again this year, just looked at their schedule, what happens if there is a 3 way tie in the east?
Woody Hayes had a saying: "You either get better, or you get worse." Hard to see that this team has gotten better (especially the O-line) since the Oklahoma game. That said, it was a team effort contributing to the loss. Credit to Penn State for finding a way to win.
"You either get better, or worse, you never stay the same." Woody Hayes
I was preparing my comment for the post game and it included:
"For the love of GOD, please find someone other than Dontre Wilson to return punts." But seeing as things turned out the way they did...never mind.
My God I miss Tom Herman.
Herman's offense didn't do any better in 14 at Beaver Stadium. The second half was a disaster and we stole one...
Houston hasn't been looking so hot lately.
Ok, first, Houston doesn't have the talent we have and they are much better under Herman than they have been in a decade. Also, Herman was a great OC and excellent with QB's. It is night and day from when he was on staff.
Sooooo....fire Urban and hire Herman?
I said that I miss Tom Herman. I didn't say fire Meyer and hire Herman. Again, I said that I miss Tom Herman.
Jesus Christ I couldn't I agree with you more.
Hopefully the swelled heads are fully deflated now. BIA? Hardly. Someone should have picked off one of those lollipops McSorely was throwing up all night. The Bucks were taken to the shower and man handled by the Fighting Sanduskys. Dominated on both lines and the secondary. Play like this against Booger Hairball and be prepared to lose by 50.
During the third quarter I got this sudden feeling that the game would be decided by a pick-six, and with an ironic twist (given our history of pick-sixes in this game) that it wouldn't be for us. It turned out to be a field goal return.
This is proof that feelings are bad and should always be avoided.
OSU Class of 1999
Beck is too...but, the team looked flat. Bad play calling and lack of Urban stepping in when the panick button was clearly pushed...blame on his shoulders too. We have some learning to do. Sometimes...a change in staff is good.
Good night everyone! Geez...come off the edge. This team did piss this away but it happens. EVERY team plays OSU as if it's their Super Bowl. The big ten stinks. They will not lose another game until Michigan. These were two great road tests in hostile, national televised environments, in bad weather and they will beat Michigan. Michigan has played 1 road game this year...they haven't even been tested and won't till they play us. We will be fine to the big one.
.........and both teams had byes before they played us.
I'm wondering if we genuinely underachieved tonight or if we've just been overachieving thus far this season. Based on the players' turnover from last season and looking back at our more modest preseason expectations, it could be the latter.
I think this group has a high ceiling, but obviously has a ways to go to reach it. An L can be a big help toward bridging that gap (as we saw in 2014. Although I'm not saying history will necessarily repeat itself, but as a fan I obviously hope it will.) I'm curious to see how this group will look at the end of this season, and how they'll look next season given that most of them are so young.
It's a good reality check as a fan to not be able to just assume that we'll win every time we take the field just because we're OFS. Watching their fans during the game, I found myself wondering what kind of heart it takes to root passionately for a team like Penn State that has averaged more than four losses per season during these students' lifetimes. (And then I remembered I'm a Browns fan, and realized how ecstatic I'd be if they could just match Penn State's record of losing only a third of their games during that span.)
Don't like losing to inferior and bad teams
Sometimes the best team wins, sometimes it doesn't. That's why we play the game. I do think we're the better team (of course I'm biased as a fan) but we certainly didn't play like it tonight. My feelings about that echo yours:
PSU is not a bad team.
Every successful play feels like half magic and half luck. Our execution is sloppy and play calling is very predicable. Why wouldn't the D-line rush straight to JT, they were given nothing else to worry about.
It all starts with the head coach, some of you want to fire Beck and Wariner, well Urban is in charge of them, your wasting talent, the same bullshit as last year. I think Urban has lost his edge, if you can't coach any better than that with *4 and 5 guys get the hell out, it's Penn St. they suck. I hope one of the media members give you the business, all that $ you make.
Bingo. Just f-ing bingo. Warriner? Calls the plays....and now has to get them approved by Meyer.
Beck? Spotter. Highest paid spotter in the country.
Meyer? Just suffered one of the biggest losses in recent memory against a team so outmanned in talent that Las Vegas had us as a 20 point favorite. A coach who looked like he was going to fucking lose it on the playing field tonight....while making $ 4 MM per year. Think about it, boys and girls.
I think he has a couple of offensive coordinators who are good but tend to lose an edge over time (not a lot, but 'enough' is all it takes), and that is on Urban.
"you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning"
Four words: You. Are. Way. Off.
No comparison....not. Even. Close. There's 3 more for you.
I agree dude. Most of these guys on this blog want to jump off a bridge but this was good. We controlled the game and the intensity went down...felt like they would just win because they wear scarlet and grey. This will be the kick in the pants they need.
it is what it is...we were up 21-7 to start the 4th. We lost.........lets go 12-1 and see if we make the CFP. We will see tomorrrow
Heads need to fall here. WE ARE THE FIRST TOP 25 TEAM FRANKLIN HAS BEAT. DO WE UNDERSTAND HOW FUCKING EMBARRASSING THIS FUCKING SHIT IS
Get a grip, dude.
And kill the CAPS.
Quit drunk posting and quit screaming.
The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes
I agree with you S&G (s and g is like the rough stuff, right?) but I do hate lending Clifford Franklin the illusion of credibility.
(Unless somehow it would make them finally put an end to the Cult of JoePa. One guy in the crowd had a shirt that said "Joe Knows Football." Curiously, I didn't see any shirts in the crowd that said "Joe Knows Enabling Child Rape For 35 Years." Seems like the more important thing to me. As a Catholic, I don't care about any of the good deeds done by clergy who have knowingly enabled child sex abuse, so why would I view a football coach any better?)
How about you address what I said and stop being complacent. Anyone who wanted to scream last night (and today) has the total right to do so. That loss was that bad.
STOP BLAMING BECK AND/OR WARRINNER......THIS LOST IS ALL ON URBAN MEYER. IT WAS HIS SPECIAL TEAMS THAT HAD A PUNT BLOCKED, THEN RUSHED A FIELD GOAL WITH A 1ST YEAR KICKER ON HIS CAREER LONGEST, IN THE MOST HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT IN HIS LIFE....THATS URBANS FAILURE, NOT BECKS, NOT WARRINNERS. ITS URBANS JOB TO MANAGE THE GAME. FURTHER, IRBAN HAS WATCHED THIS OFFENSE STRUGGLE IN THE PASSING GAME FOR MOST OF THE LAST THREE YEARS. ALL HE HAS DONE TO FIX IT IS TALK ABOUT HOW IT NEEDS FIXED.