Cardale Jones Tees Off on NCAA, Says Collegiate Governing Body 'Exploits' Athletes

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WesBranscum's picture

While I agree with Cardale, I wish he just would of bit his tongue on this one.

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whiteyyd's picture

At least until the draft is over....

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

Im glad he said something. We need more athletes to step up and call the ncaa on their bullshit. They are corrupt and take advantage of college athletes, its pathetic. As long as this doesnt hurt his draft stock(which I doubt it does) I have no issues with him speaking up. I encourage former players to speak up. Someone needs to stop the ncaa.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Lets not forget how much student athletes education, amenities, trainers, coaching, training facilities, travel, food, health care, dental, lodging and books amount to @ a elite D1 program such as TOSU . I'm sure everything is first rate as well.  I understand how athlete's can feel like they are being taken advantage of yet they have it a lot better than the average student as well. Sounds like a knee jerk reaction to the latest NCAA rulings.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Knee jerk or timely, depends on how you look at it.

Yes, they do get some decent accommodations and perks along the way, but holy hell I couldn't imagine living under the ridiculous (and in some ways oppressive) rules while trotting out into a stadium on over 100,000 people or on television in marquee games (rivalry, bowls, playoffs) and not be pissed about those said rules.

By the way, which these players have no choice in the matter.  They're forced to "play school" with zero opportunity to turn professional out of HS.  That is an agreement/system that benefits the NFL and NCAA, but not the players.  "NFL ready" or not, they have zero choice but go play as an amateur student athlete and risk injury.

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GoBucksOrDie's picture

The NCAA is a lot like the Mob. If $ is being made, they need to be in on the action, or Nobody gets to make money.

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pcon258's picture

@AwlinBrutus has a fair point that applies to 90% of student athletes. Most student athletes get a great deal. Even with football players; there are 85 scholarship players. I consider myself a fanatic, and I can name 20 players at most. Those nameless players are not the ones speaking out.

What I think is wrong is that some local car dealership can't throw JT Barrett a couple grand to smile on camera for their commercial. Or why he can't go to the mall one afternoon and sign autographs for $5 apiece.

The reality is, most schools cannot afford to pay athletes and college athletics as we know them would cease to exist if athletes were paid by the schools. But private companies can certainly pick up the slack.

Just my two cents.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

What I think is wrong is that some local car dealership can't throw JT Barrett a couple grand to smile on camera for their commercial. Or why he can't go to the mall one afternoon and sign autographs for $5 apiece.

The danger with that, as some others have pointed out, is while JT is getting $5 an autograph some SEC Bagman might be willing to Derrick Henry $5k for an autograph.  Then it can become a recruiting tool: "Come to Alabama, where we'll insure you get yours."

Where do you draw the line?

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

Osu football program brings in like 35mil a year nowadays. These athletes who literally give their bodies for our entertainment bring in FAR more money to osu, that they use to make the university and other sports better, than it cost to pay for their education(and much of the education cost is really paying for the service of education and not a physical good so its not "costing" the school as much as people act like).

Look, I understand they are given a "free" education, but the reality is that schools wouldnt be giving out sports scholarships if there wasnt a profit in it for them, and the way the ncaa is set up is what allows them to make money off of other peoples likeness(something that is illegal in any other case). Just because it was set up wrong in the first place doesnt mean we shouldnt be trying to fix it.

I agree this was a knee jerk reaction, but it comes from a place of built up issues with the ncaa that many people, especially myself, share. Not to mention, being a knee jerk reaction doesnt make him any less right about this issue.

I dunno, it just seems so fundamentally wrong, and somewhat unconstitutional to me that somehow at some point in time the ncaa was able to weasle its way into owning the rights to profit off of SOMEONE ELSES name, likeness, hardwork, and talent. Its undeniable corrupt in my eyes. I do understand your POV and the whole fact that they get an education for doing something they love, but I simply cannot dismiss the fact that athletes(especially football players at a school like osu) more than make up for the cost of their education with the money, publicity, and endorsements they bring to the school. For reference if every player on the football team had to pay in-state tuition(obviously many are out of state but for the purpose of this arguement I will just do in state) it would cost just over 2million. If you double that it would still be 31 million less than what the football team brings in(and 4million would be more than enough to pay for all 85 players out of state tuition). My point is, their education is not free because they pay for it ten fold by the money our team brings in collectively.

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chemicalwaste's picture

That dude is awesome.

Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.

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SHAKENBAKE68's picture

Yes, he stood there with his hand on his hip and took it like a man! LOL

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FlyerBuckeye's picture

It would have suited him well to wait until he got drafted, but he said what needed to be said, and I appreciate that, he doesn't sugar coat it.

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

As far as Im concerned no nfl scouts couldnt care less about the ncaa and what former players say about it. I could be wrong but I really dont see this having a negative impact on his draft status.

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IH8UOFM's picture

Bad timing, 12. If this would have been 3 weeks from now, the most attention it would have garnered would be a shrug from most people.

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LouBuck35's picture

Is it really bad timing though?  I'm no GM, but this wouldn't even make a blip on my radar if I were considering using a draft pick on Cardale.  He didn't get a DUI, he wasn't arrested for domestic violence, he didn't swear, he didn't call anyone out by name.  He's taking on the same platform that many before him have taken.  I don't see this as any different than current coaches and even recruits speaking out on the satellite camp issue.  Both have issues with the way the NCAA conducts business.  Is someone who was considering Peoples-Jones going to pull his scholarship offer because he tweeted about camps?  I doubt it.

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awarren84's picture

It's pretty simple actually if you think about it. It's very similar to most companies have you sign a conflict of interest clause. The company/school wants to profit on your fame. Fame that they own while you use their platform they provide to become famous. I'm not saying it's a perfect system at all. It has many flaws. But what NCAA athletes face is not that far away from what everyone in the working world faces. And we all ultimately get to make that choice on whether or not to work there. In a perfect world they would create an NFL developmental/minor league. And just really see who is famous. The school....or the player. 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

But you have a choice between which company and which clause to sign. They dont.  It's NCAA or nothing for 3 years following HS.

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awarren84's picture

Sounds like a choice to me. 

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chemicalwaste's picture

Sounds like far too much legal rationality than what should be used for determining the future of a lot of 18 year-olds from less-than-fortunate situations. It's a choice, but you can say someone telling you to pick which of your kids lives is a choice. Nothing like forcing a shitty choice. Play and get an education to better your life and those in your future family, or don't play and perpetuate the situation you came from. Some choice.

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Catch 5's picture

So you are admitting then, that the NCAA does in fact offer a great benefit to these student's lives?
Seems to me it is only a great exploitation I'd you do not value the product you receive - in this case the education the institution gives you.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Cardale didn't have to play D-1 football, he could have played for Mount Union and not deal with the NCAA. Kids from small schools get drafted also.

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Crashnburn01's picture

As a fan of UMU, I had to smile thinking what havoc Cardale would've wreaked upon DIII.   HA!

Indeed. Why not have both?

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BPOSU's picture

I have never been someone that says "OMG the NCAA makes SO much money! Pay the players!!"

But what Cardale is saying has always been my gripe with the NCAA. Why can't a player benefit off of his own name? Heck I'm even fine if it all goes through the university and a player gets just a percentage after he leaves school. Cardale Jones should be able to sell something with the name "Cardale Jones" on it. 

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Andy Vance's picture

But what Cardale is saying has always been my gripe with the NCAA. Why can't a player benefit off of his own name?

While I'm not weighing in either way on the substance, the reason why this is verboten is because of the proverbial Pandora's Box it opens. If you allow players to, say, sign autographs for a fee, then what is stop the SEC bagmen from paying a young student athlete $10,000 per signature to make sure he comes to Alabama or Tennessee?

If you think the NCAA has lots of arcane rules and regulations now, can you imagine what it would look like if they allowed these guys to make money marketing themselves?

huffdaddy's picture

I wouldn't allow autograph money. But I think jerseys, posters etc.: if they are selling your picture, you should get money put in a trust for you. With your likeness, people are making money - just not the player. And that's not right. 

Also, for the people saying he should have waited, do you really think any NFL team is thinking, "Oh I would have used a 3rd round pick on CJ but now that he's expressed strong opinions on the NCAA and paying for a player's likeness, I'm going to pass." ?? Nah.  

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InTressITrust's picture

Jerseys, posters, etc are all the same as autograph money.  When you allow the players/school start selling things with the players making a profit it becomes a bidding war with the different schools alumni on where the best players go.  As OSU fans here that will probably only help us be successful but would destroy all competitiveness between schools.  The richer get richer while the poor get poorer.  IMO, this would destroy what I love about college football.  

A system where all money gets put into a pot and distributed to all players at the end of the year would kind of fix the problem but then the money each player is making probably wouldn't be worth it.

"I'm not going to lie. We're anxious to be a part of a matchup like that. It's two states that love the game of football." -Jim Tressel

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IGotAWoody's picture

That's why he specified that the money should be put into a trust. It's quite a different situation if bagmen or whoever could purchase something knowing the money is going to go directly to the player. If it goes into a trust that can't be touched until their time at the school is over, then it's much easier to control the situation, and alumni and bagmen aren't out there buying players.

But I like your suggestion that a percentage of all of those merchandising sales go into a pot that is then distributed evenly to players. Then you can avoid having any untoward influence, and that could still be a significant amount of $ waiting when they've graduated or are done at their school.

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chemicalwaste's picture

They may be the same, but why should the university and the NCAA be allowed to make money off of it then? They're allowed to use these guys to line their own pockets and the athletes get stiffed.

IMO, this would destroy what I love about college football.

What's that? Underprivileged kids getting taken advantage of in the name of amateurism? Or we have to make sure that everybody gets their cut, even though they didn't earn it? Or we have to be able to make sure some programs don't fail by propping them up with successful programs bank accounts?

This whole post just worries me.

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InTressITrust's picture

The up and down of teams.  It is always fun seeing the Boise State type team come from no where and win.  Or the great recruit stay home (Ed Oliver) to hopefully improve the home town team.  These underprivlieged kids are not being taken advantage of.  They are able to get a great education for free pretty much anywhere they want (in state, out of state, private).  Then once they do graduate the ones who are stars but not good enough for the pros are still local celebrities which has some perks. 

"I'm not going to lie. We're anxious to be a part of a matchup like that. It's two states that love the game of football." -Jim Tressel

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

The difference, as I see it, is that you can't really sell a jersey and make any money off it until the player actually does something at the school. Very few people would have purchased an Ezekiel Elliot #15 jersey in 2013 (except for probably close friends and relatives).  But a bagman looking to stuff $10k in a recruit's pocket could easily have said, "I was just paying for this high school senior's autograph. I'm betting on his future potential just like and investor buys stock."

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BPOSU's picture

My suggestion would be for any player promotion to go through the University. Let the University and the player both profit off of autographs, jerseys, etc. Place a cap on the amount a player can earn in a season through the "Autograph Stipend" 

Maybe I'm naive to think that a player would settle for the "Autograph Stipend" amount when they could make more on their own, but I would like to think it would provide a deterrent to committing a violation if they were at least getting something extra. 

It's not even like this would take any money away from the NCAA/University. It's a market that is currently not even being tapped into 

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Urbanbuck's picture

The NCAA could give two shits about cheating. All they care about, all they have ever cared about, is creating a "product" from our beloved college football and selling that product, with them in the middle, to the highest bidder. 

What ever other intentions, reasons, or agendas might exist within and across college football is all secondary to the goals of the NCAA which is get paid.

The image rights have absolutely nothing to do with preventing cheating - they have everything to do with cementing the role of the NCAA as a part of marketing their product. THEIR product - not the athlete. Not sure if it is still the case but until very recently they owned your image rights forever, not just while you played or attended school.

All this stuff about bagmen doesn't recognize the way bagmen actually work - which is to meet in person with a big ass bag of money and exchange it for whatever - that might be unethical and violate every rule and principle of good sportsmanship but there is no rule by the NCAA that is going to prevent that - the only thing the image rule does is steal the fame of the athlete and divert what would be their earnings to the NCAA's pockets.

It's great that Cardale spoke up, the issues around the NCAA and fairness have gone mainstream for a while now, sure there may be some old-timers who will still clutch their pearls at any criticism of the system but they're not doing the players, the schools, or the system any favors - change is coming.

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Catch 5's picture

How popular would Jones be today had he gone to Toledo instead of OSU? How many Ohians know the name of last year's QB for the Rockets? When you buy player's jerseys, why don't you buy Michigan or Alabama player's? The answer is that it is the OSU brand you are after. It is OSU products you want. The players only mean something to you because they attend Ohio State. The ones who attend other schools - especially the smaller ones - regardless of how good they are - are worthless to you (in these terms). Therefore, this image you all want the players to profit from, is only what it is thanks to the pre-existing behemoth that is the OSU brand that they are using to not only get an education, but exposure for future employment.

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BStateOuckeyes69's picture

Funny reading comments from other college students about his athletic scholarship. They have to realize that this man helps bring millions to the university and the NCAA and in comparison they are literally worthless. If you aren't smart enough to get an academic scholarship or athletic enough to get an athletic scholar ship then you should probably shut up. They deserve to get treated fairly and with respect, they earned it.

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awarren84's picture

Does an individual player really bring in that much money at a place like OSU? I understand an RGIII or Manziel basically making teams relevant are almost priceless. But doesn't every starting QB not named Bauserman sell a ton of jerseys/becomes famous. After JT graduates, don't you think the next guy will sell a ton of jerseys. Is OSU hurt when they miss on a Kareem Walker? Or will whoever the next starting RB be sell a lot of jerseys. Point is we have a system in place that makes you famous.  

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BStateOuckeyes69's picture

My main point is that if you don't qualify for financial aid, or a scholarship due to hardships then you probably had a better standard of living than the average NCAA football player growing up and therefore have no room to complain.If you don't have an academic or athletic scholarship then you probably contribute nothing and therefore have no room to complain. It would be so easy to just treat them right, but still people so adamantly stand against giving them respect. It really is amazing that there are this many scrooges in the world. 

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Buctor's picture

I get your point (I think).  But by your guidelines, 11W would have to shutter the web doors.  And it's unamerican to say anyone may not express their own opinion.  

IMLTHO, there are many ideas that could help.  I get very riled up that NCAA folks and bowl folks reap outrageous rewards on the backs of young ones that are quite literally risking their health for our enjoyment.  So tie some % of gross income (I do know the difference between gross and net) to pay for all athletes.  Sure Mr Elliot put more buts in the seats, but no solution will be perfect.  Then tie max pay for NCAA, coaches and ADs to this number as well. Obviously they will have to back calculate so the normal bills and facilities can be paid for.

Also allow some form of being paid, put the money in escrow, let a portion go to the institution and a portion go to all other athletes, even walk-ones.

At the end of the day, reasonably minded folks should be able to come up with a fair solution.  So maybe it can't be someone that works for the NCAA or any college.  

Maybe use junior high kids!

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But doesn't every starting QB not named Bauserman sell a ton of jerseys/becomes famous.

Hey, I have a Bauserman jersey. I tried to throw it in the laundry once, but overthrew it, and it landed on my porch. 

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DataBuck's picture

cue bauserman passing chart gif. c'mon, i know someone out there has it at the ready!

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SilverState's picture

DJ's love for Cardale is hitting all time highs... :P

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IGotAWoody's picture

This was written by Eric Seger.

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SilverState's picture

This I know.

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IGotAWoody's picture

OK, I thought maybe you were attributing this article to DJ. He does love him some Cardale.

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JoeAndSo's picture

I agree. It'd be easy to fix. The NCAA wouldn't even have to cut them checks for a percentage of what they make off of them.

Just let them come up with ways to make a profit off of what they do. It'd allow them to make some money and teach them marketing abilities that they may use if sports don't work out.

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

It is a two edged sword.  Being in the NCAA, in some ways, makes these young men and women feel controlled.  On the other hand, being in the NCAA also is the platform on which many of these men and women have achieved their recognition that would make profiting from their likeness even possible. 

I still defend, to an extent, the rules that govern the student athletes to limit their profitability during their school years.  Having paid off my school loans years ago, I still remember what that astronomical number was before I made my first payment.  Now, mentioned on this site last week the cost of tuition being 10K for in-state folks and 28K for out of state folks, I am still of the mindset that many of the athletes feel that their scholarship is more of an entitlement rather than a blessing to be enjoyed and remembered.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Difference is, you wanted to be a student.  You chose those loans and had the freedom to do so.

Now, ask the football players, candidly and anonymously, whether they want to be a student or whether they want to play football.  They don't have a choice so the ones that dont want to play along.  Yes, along the way there are wonderful heartwarming stories where kids become good students and graduate, but that should be a choice not a requirement. Especially for an 18-22 year old man.

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

I totally agree with your first paragraph.
I also, though, would contest that the side of the argument on which you find yourself would not so much be that college football players be allowed to make money on their celebrity during college, but that they have to go to college at all, a la baseball's system. That, is a different debate, one worth having.
I would also concede that it would be almost impossible to expect 18-22 year-olds to always remember that for their troubles, they are being compensated.

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LTWilliams's picture

Proud of Dale. I wish more athletes shared their opinions (especially on this topic).

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THE's picture

Preach Dolo...I've always been torn.  I have no answer because I think its a slippery slope but I also think the NCAA is a joke at this point.

These athletes get tons of perks.  Scholarships, free tutors, free gear, travel, gifts, training, food, housing, etc.  Come work your way through college and then spend a few years working 50+ hours a week in a cubicle with crushing student loan debt just to break even every week.

On the other hand, the NCAA is ridiculous and really hasnt adapted with the times and or the business end of college football.  Why the hell should the NCAA make any money whatsoever off of players?  The institutions I can understand but the amount of income versus the outgoing return to players is nowhere near proportionate.  It's even less so for that a small percentage of kids at a time that carry the fame/fortune load for their respective programs.  But again, that's true for most producers in the business world.

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livinginthegrey's picture

I own a small company. I would be willing to pay (insert all 2017 recruit names here) $10 million to appear next year with my companies logo.

I think this is the situation the NCAA would like to avoid

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Macke777's picture

It would be easier for the NCAA to regulate your example than it is for them to shut down the Bagmen operating all across the country. The NCAA could make an autograph signing pay scale similar to what the market already does, limit the amount of signings an athlete can undertake, and hold the majority of cash in an account until the student graduates, with a extra stipend to the players during the year from that account. The School could get a cut of it for providing the opportunity to shine. No corporate sponsorships and a player must be in the program for two years to do an autograph signing. Then, make the penalties for violations extremely harsh to discourage non-compliance. It can be done and it would help most athletic programs to raise more cash, so they don't have to get that money from the state or tuition. Ohio State is one of a handful of self-sustaining athletic departments in the country. Also, I'd like to see the NFL forced to pay colleges for the players that are drafted. Why are universities paying the bill to develop players for the multi-billionaire owners of the NFL? 

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kmp10's picture

Exploited? Really??? You received a FREE college education, tutors, books, lab fees, training table, a place to live, all the Gatorade, protein bars, fruit and snacks you could stuff into your OSU issued backpack, some clothes to wear, Bowl gifts (watches, rings, Play stations, etc), a scholarship check every month AND the once in a lifetime experience of playing football at Ohio State and all the perks and benefits that go along with that. You weren't exploited... you're young, immature, and you have no idea what you've just been given and the tremendous advantage you'll have in life as a result of that gift.

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

I tend to side with your opinion. I would love not to be 38 and still owe money toward my student loans. I would love all the exposure, connections and future business potential. I would love their experiences, their travels, bowl swag bags and their access to the best these universities have to offer.

Don't get me wrong. I loved my college experience from my shithole apartment and $100 a week to live on, while eating crappy cafeteria food.

I do get Cardale's points, but to me the scale tilts toward the opinion that they receive ample benefits on top of a free education.

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CowCat's picture

I'm personally not in favor of favoring one player over another through branding and autographs. Fans gravitate to a few select players, but it's a team sport where everyone works equally hard.

Put another way, would  J.T. Barrett deserve more autograph money than Chase Farris simply because he's more recognizable? Seems like a slippery slope to me.

IMO some sort of a restricted trust fund makes sense. These players beat their bodies up while the NCAA / School profits. Most don't make it to the NFL, and many have lasting injuries. 

Some fund for continuing health care and continuing education / job help makes sense to me.

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Crumb's picture

I think like a lot of systems in our country, this one needs to be improved, everyone knows it but because they can't agree on how to do it they just keep the old one. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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Crumb's picture

He makes great points, and the NCAA is a broken system in my opinion. But I personally would have loved to have been 'exploited' in college and graduate debt free and get in an industry where a practice squad member makes like 250K minimum wage. The NCAA does suck, but I don't like these guys using the term 'exploited', even when they're right. Maybe better terminology would be that the NCAA puts some limits on their opportunities. 

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Homey1970's picture

I agree that student-athletes could receive some of the windfall but the percentage of revenue that is directed to the kids should be divided among all of the team members (at least, all scholarship members).  I can imagine the amount of animosity that would percolate through the locker room if the stars of the team could reap the rewards while other scholarship players that didn't quite live up to their potential got nothing.  That issue couldn't just be swept away as a "winners versus losers" scenario.

The other white elephant in the room is that not every school brings in lots of revenue based on their players' likenesses/jerseys/etc.  That sets up yet another 'haves versus have nots" from school to school and conference to conference, leading to perceived/actual recruiting advantages.      

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Go1Bucks's picture

Bull, exploited my ass. Im so tired of this subject.

Go Buckeyes!

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MichiganBuckeye222's picture

I am not one of those grammar guys, but I really wish Dale would have had someone spellcheck his tweets.

  • he is 100% correct with what he said
  • his message gets lost because his detractors will focus on his lack of correct grammar and spelling
  • EVERYONE makes mistakes like this, but not everyone is in the public eye for tweeting
  • The NCAA should actually keep the rules the same, but put all the $ from merchandise away and provide a pension for student athletes when they are done, based on college credits completed.  The more school you attend, the more money you get after you are done playing.
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Homey1970's picture

He ain't come here to spellcheck his tweets!

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CowCat's picture

We have to consider Title IX in all of this as well. If players are being compensated is it only the profitable men's sports? 

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
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CowCat's picture

Attended Indiianola elementary 3 blocks from TOSU, son of a TOSU professor, graduated with honors from TOSU. Not really a MMan.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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avail31678's picture

Maybe you aren't familiar with the actual MMan, or with his continual ramblings on Title IX?

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CowCat's picture

I know of MMan, kidding. I just can't be associated with a certain school up north.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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jpfbucks01's picture

The only issue i ever have with this is that some folks dont understand how much difference there is between an Ohio State and say Northern Illinois.

Simply put N Ill CANT pay players. Their total football revenue in 2010 as an example was only 2.7 million dollars and they already spend $5.955 million, thats a $3.2 million dollar deficit. 

In fact in that year only 3 MAC teams showed a profit from their football Operations (and 2 of them was 100K or less). Most of thee schools from actual operations lose money on their football programs and make up for it in mandatory student fees (read hidden tuition) or raiding their general funds.

This is not limited to the MAC either. Most schools get some kind of institutional support.

Sure OSU and many of the Big 6 teams could pay players, but to pay even 10K per player at a school like Toledo is just impossible. for 85 scholarship players your talking about nearly $1,000,000 in payouts that they simply dont have, so should the student body of U of T be asked to fork up another $50 a year or more in mandatory fees just so some small portion of their fellow students can go lose more money for the university?

To me the only resolution is for the Big 6 type teams to separate from the rest of the ncaa and go to a semi pro model and drop the student pretense and simply pay the players a salary and no scholarships and no classes required, just be OSU Buckeyes minor league football

other wise you are asking likely nearly half of D1 to drop to FCS or lower to avoid it

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Grimistheville's picture

Oh, I'm sorry.   You get a free education and inserted into the fast lane to be drafted into the NFL???  Sounds like more millenial entitlement.  You belong to The Ohio State University.

GRIM

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Grimistheville's picture

And ... let me get this straight...    OSU deserves profitability of your likeness, they took a chance on you, not the other way around.   It's not business until you turn pro.  Try to get an education while it's being given to you.

GRIM

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huffdaddy's picture

you have got to be kidding me. They deserve to profit off of his likeness because they took a chance on him? they took a chance because they thought he could make them money. which he did.

players get a lot of good things from a free education to all the perks of being a Buckeye. I don't feel sorry for them. However, if someone is going to make money off of literally their name, then the players deserve something in compensation. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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jestertcf's picture

Do yourself a favor and read Josh Perry's well articulated thoughts when he adds to Cardale's tweet.

~Because we couldn't go for three~

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Bratwurstcapitalbuckeye's picture

Love Cardale, but the entitlement bullshit is getting old. He is blessed with talent. I was not. I worked hard to put myself through a great education at OSU. It was hard. It was work and I finished it with no help from anyone. No tutors, no study tables, and no coaches making me go to class. We, as a society baby these guys too much. I put myself in there too. I am guilty of putting these guys on a pedestal. Anyways, I don't comment often, just tired of the horseshit. They know what they signed up for. Shut up, work hard and enjoy the awesome experiences you have been given. 

Go Bucks!

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

Careful Dale - out of the fray and into the fire. The NFL doesn't exactly have your best interest at heart either. Most of us are working for the man in some way. 

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Gobucks2204's picture

Some of the other OSU players were weighing in on Twitter and saying regular students wouldn't last two weeks if they had to do what the Buckeye athletes have to do. I found it a bit insulting to the students who do work their tails off too. Some people work while the are going to school in order to pay for college. I understand where they are coming from but they shouldn't be criticizing their fellow classmates who in many cases work very hard themselves.

"The future is bright at Ohio State."

"Greater love has no one than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends"

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kmp10's picture

That's hilarious. Regular students wouldn't last two weeks, huh? Well, I've got news for some of these players, if it weren't for football MANY of them wouldn't even qualify academically at universities like Ohio State, MSU or IU, let alone schools like Notre Dame, Stanford and Northwestern. So lets start there... if they weren't playing football they couldn't get into the school, many times, on their academic merit. The "regular" students get into their school of choice, every single time, based on their academic merit. That's first. Second, "regular" students make their own way through college, typically, while football players have all the help (tutors, study tables, coaches intervening on their behalf) they could possibly ask for. In addition, "regular" students have FAR, FAR, FAR more financial pressure than do scholarship football players at Ohio State. They have tuition, text books, tutor costs (if applicable), food (no training tables or Gatorade/protein bar/fruit stacked isles deep free for the taking for the regular students), rent (no free housing for the regular student), clothes, etc to pay for. I'm so sick and tired of immature, unappreciative, ignorant (I'll use Urban's word because it's appropriate here) kids, stuck somewhere between teenager and adult, running their mouths about how mistreated and exploited they are. What a joke. I'm 51 years old and I've been a DIEHARD Buckeye for the entirety of my life. My dad went to OSU, I'm an alum, we've both been members of the alumni association and spent thousands of dollars donating to Ohio State, attending games, going on bowl trips and buying Buckeye gear... but this "exploitation" BS is something that is now pitting football players against "regular" students, and at this moment it's putting a serious dent in my OSU football fandom. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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73buckeye's picture

Every group always thinks they have things worse than everyone else, irrespective of their situation. It's human nature. Of course the NCAA and the schools profit off he athletes, and the athletes trade their services for a period off time for a valuable education and a foot in the door for much greater things in the NFL. It's the way the real world works. The system has it's faults but seems fairly stable. We are the beneficiaries because we have the greatest two spectator sports in the world to enjoy, College and Pro football. I don't lose any sleep over which one happens to be complaining at the moment. Both come out in the end with pretty sweet deals.

ernie

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