Alabama/Saban just picked up their 2nd 5* LB today

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CudjoeBuckeye's picture

Both from Alabama, no surprise there.

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teddyballgame's picture

yeah but we got Keandre Jones and Tuf Borland.  Suck it bammers

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mockjocks's picture

I love calling people Bammers. My buddy lives in Tuscaloosa, and he calls all of them Bammers down there, ha

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bucknutz18's picture

Both those dudes were locks for awhile.  One of the big reasons Bama was expected to compete for #1.

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fansince77's picture

FSU and Bama both killing it. Annoying that every year Bama is there but if OSU were doing it I would be ecstatic. Can't wait for Saban to retire and see what happens.  Urban I am guessing will coach another 20 years, Saban another 5 to 8.  Either way, as much as I despise Saban, 4 out of last 7 years with national titles, can't really call them out on much. Seem to be pretty honest in recruiting, kids want to play for titles and go to NFL, this is where you go. 

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

I can.....they ducked us this year, and that committee made sure of it by putting the Sooners in...

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logamaniac's picture

the committee didn't have anything to do with us making ourselves look undeserving against MSU

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

soooooooo....based on your reasoning of ONE game....I could counter by saying Bama looked VERY undeserving against Ole Miss and Oklahoma just plain flat out stunk it up against Texas.......so the TIMING of the loss is what you call UNDESERVING.....I disagree with that type of analysis however...it's the kind of thought process that leads to a two-loss Stanford team being ranked higher than a one-loss defending national champion.

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logamaniac's picture

or because if you arent playing for the national title what is the difference between #3 and #4 in the end?  nothing, thats what.

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CincyOSU's picture

1) How did they "duck us" and

2) The committee did not do anything to us, we lost to MSU at wrong time of the year.

Stop making excuses and give credit where it's due

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Macke777's picture

Give credit to Alabama? No. They suck. They just suck a little less than the rest of the SEC (Ole Miss excluded), MSU, and Clemson (though that game was a coin flip and Alabama is the first NC winner to give up 40 points twice in a season). I'll give credit to their Bagmen though because those guys do a great job every year. 

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CincyOSU's picture

At this point, I doubt Bama needs Bagmen. And look, I hate Bama too, but you can't really argue with their success.

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Macke777's picture

Do I have to use sarcasm italics when I'm half-serious? I don't think Alabama needs any credit from me either, but they definitely have Bagmen. I'd bet cash that every prominent school in NCAA football has bagmen. 

Ohio State: The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

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logamaniac's picture

You're on drugs if you don't think there aren't any bagmen for OSU either.  It's a reality of the times we live in. 

I don't hate Alabama nearly as much as I hate their fanbase, it's the same reason so many people hate OSU.  for every levelheaded fan there's enough nut jobs that want to threaten lives of players or give out addresses to harass alumni etc. 

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Macke777's picture

That's why I said that I'd bet cash that EVERY prominent school in college football has bagmen. That includes Ohio State, unless you don't consider us a big time college football program. Ironically, I'm not an Alabama hater at all. I have relatives that went to Alabama and are active donors to the school. I don't like them because their fans mostly suck (there are exceptions, but they are the exceptions that prove the rule) and dynasties are bad for college football. They need the USC treatment for the good of the sport. Ohio State got that treatment with the Tat Five. Alabama avoids it because Saban's friend runs the NCAA. 

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ScrewTheBlue's picture

...it's the same reason so many people hate OSU...

Who cares.

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ScrewTheBlue's picture

Well then, count me as "on drugs". This is a REAAAALLY huge accusation to make, Loga.

I know a few people on the OSU staff and in the athletic dept., and I've talked about this kind of stuff before with them, and I'm VERY confident that there are NO "bag men" involved with Ohio State.

So please, Loga, tell me SPECIFICALLY what you are talking about. It's really easy to throw crap against the wall, but I am calling BS on you. You're just assuming, hoping and lying. No proof.

Please don't post garbage like this anymore.

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cdub4's picture

Bagman may be a loose term. Quick questions though, who gave Troy Smith the $500? Who gave Derek Morris the airplane tickets and cash. What do you think about the Bobby Di Geronimo situation? The Clarett and Pryor stuff?

Some schools have more active "bagmen" than others, but if you don't think OSU boosters don't take care of players, you are naive. The people you asked know about it too. Yes it happens at every school, ND, OSU, Bama, USC.

Basically there is no way in hell OSU is the only school that has been elite for 50+ years but it 100% clean. That defies logic.

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ScrewTheBlue's picture

Yes, I'm aware of that. But, it's not like the coaching staff coordinated that transaction.

And, that was about 15 years ago. I know there was stuff decades ago. But, Loga is talking present day --- like right now --- he's saying there are bag men right now. And that's bullshit.

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cdub4's picture

What do you consider a bagman? Do I know if recruits get for instance $50,000 to sign with OSU? Not sure. Do I think Meyer and Fickell are behind it? No. Do I think players have ways and means of getting $100 to $500 whenever they want or need it? Yes. Free stuff, access to cars, tattoos, spending money. Yes.

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ScrewTheBlue's picture

There are not "bag men" like we think of bag men in the SEC at OSU.

And, if there are, please...name names. Ditto with Loga. You're just assuming and equivocating. I know for a fact the OSU has program has been proactive in making sure these kind of shady characters are not accessible to the players. I know, no matter what, shady people will try to slither their way in, but there are multiple sets of eyes and ears in the program looking to squash anything happening with that.

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ScrewTheBlue's picture

Present day. There are no "bag men". Believe me. This is the point I'm making. Loga is talking the here and now, present tense. And, it's just not true.

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cdub4's picture

So when did they bagmen stop would you say? Also what do you consider a bagman?

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logamaniac's picture

i upvoted every post you made in these responses cdub, as its almost exactly what i would have said.

bagmen or "friends of the program" exist at every institution where those types of people feel they can make a difference.  do all of them necessarily mean to do harm?  of course not. 

to my follower, there havent been any connections with "bagmen" allegedly working for/with SEC teams.  Merely on behalf of them, as the other boosters mentioned by cdub have done for OSU athletes.

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ScrewTheBlue's picture

Generalizations and assumptions with zero proof. A slap in the face to the hard-working staff members for OSU.

Btw, Looking at your voting history, you are probably atop the leaderboard for downvotes, congrats.

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CincyOSU's picture

Generalizations and assumptions with zero proof. A slap in the face to the hard-working staff members for OSU.

Aren't you doing the exact same thing?

Btw, Looking at your voting history, you are probably atop the leaderboard for downvotes, congrats.

Using the deflection technique.

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CALPOPPY's picture

STB, it would be best just to let some people be. There are some commenters to which you reply regardless of the topic, and your replies are typically argumentative. We want to avoid those interactions on 11W (it's against commenting policy) as we don't think it benefits discussion.

This specific example of you responding to Logamaniac is not horrible, but when you consider that you have responded to Logamaniac many other places on the board, it appears that you are trolling. We want to avoid trolling and ad hominem attacks on the boards. So, please, it is best just to let some arguments die.

Memento mori

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ScrewTheBlue's picture

True, CalPoppy, true

thank you 

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Boom777's picture

I agree with you but Oklahoma had a terrible loss to a terrible Texas team. We lost to a top ten team that night the committee sucks

Wherever you are, there you be!

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CincyOSU's picture

I hear ya, but we lost to a very bad VTech team at home and the committee saw past that. You can't fault them for giving Okla a pass and then be ok with it when it benefits us.

It just sucks that we finally brought it all together too late in the season to overcome a loss.

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brandonbauer87's picture

You really need to stop trying to introduce logic into irrational discussions. Keep fighting the good fight. 

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daytonbuckeye's picture

If we would have played better all year long before the 3 point loss, then I would be upset. However, that was not the case, so I can't blame the committee for their choice.

3 85 yards and a cloud of dust.

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Nutinpa's picture

Yup. 

And...........funny how our fanbase had no issues with "the Committee" last year, did we?

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CincyOSU's picture

EXACTLY! How soon we forget that the committee looked past our terrible loss at home to Vtech.

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Macke777's picture

It is what it is. The committee made the best decision they could with the available information. I think it was the wrong decision, but I also have the benefit of hindsight. I can't fault the committee for the playoffs. Regardless, I would have LOVED to see the 2015 Ohio State team play Alabama. 

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CincyOSU's picture

Can you imagine the ratings for that game...even with it being on NYE?

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Can you imagine what would have happened to the SEC narrative if OSU had beaten the Tide and knocked them out of the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row?.......

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Macke777's picture

That's my biggest regret of last season. I guarantee that Alabama couldn't have exploited special teams against us. AND we could've got another awesome 11W shirt out of it. Someday soon we'll get them again and that day will be glorious. 

Ohio State: The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

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Nutinpa's picture

Nobody can argue with you there, 777!

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Meyer also got the #1 ILB when he was from Ohio (Hilliard).  Location is the #1 recruiting influence.  

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jedkat's picture

Or, you know, hiring the entire High School a recruit is from...

"just a guy, nothing more, nothing less" ~ Some troll then *poof* he was gone

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Yes, that is also a proven methodology.

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teddyballgame's picture

Ahh man.  I feel bad for Ash now

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bucknut1994's picture

DJ Durkin is the HC at Maryland.

#94Ways

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RBurgundy4's picture

Ash had to know this going in, Teddy. He accepted an enormous challenge with his eyes wide open. Highly questionable career choice + same div as tOSU = no sympathy from me. But yeah, the reality of the RU HC job hit his ass hard today. No doubt.

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John Cooper's lucky pig's picture

Time for Davis and Wilson to start the Alabama 5-star linebacker training regiment - donuts and all the greasy Southern food you can eat.

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mockjocks's picture

LOL hilarious, but hey! Don't use Trey, he's from Ohio! - make us look bad. He was a liability his senior year there, they were ready for him to leave

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

Yep, and this is why I would be disappointed with a class outside the top 5. I want OSU competing for championships, and it's hard to do that without keeping pace with Bama's recruiting. There's a reason they've won, what, 4 of the last 7?

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

They have #2, #10, #15, #17, and #35 players in their class. OSU has #8, #32, and then #44. So for all his prowess, Meyer has some ways to go. In fact I've been saying this as long as Meyer has been at OSU: he's great at getting players roughly in the 30 - 150 range, but has gotten very few players between 1 and 30. When Bama has four top-20 players in one recruiting class, they are playing a numbers game with 5*s. Very good bet that at least one of those will be All-Americans. That's one AA just from 4 recruits in the class, plus however many more from the remaining 17.

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cecsix's picture

If you look at where a large majority of those players come from, it's the SEC footprint.  Saban does a great job of selling them on Bama being the top dog in the top conference.  Why go play in Ohio when you can prepare for the NFL right here in Tuscaloosa?  If more of those top 30 kids were from B1G country, Urban would get more of them.  Location matters.  Of course there are exceptions, but how many 4 and 5 star guys from the state of Alabama have ever gone to a B1G school? 

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jralvarez's picture

Ah hell, if we could have just signed the two OL from OH that went to ND... we would be a good bit closer...   damn catholics.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

Tell that to Josh Myers (#3), Shaun Wade (#14), and Marcus Williamson (#18).

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

Take Your Pick

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WVpharmBuck09's picture

And like 50% of the other kids that have OSU high on their lists in the 2017 class.

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

Yep, if all three of those stay in the class, and there are ~10 top-100 recruits and ~15 top-250 recruits, it will be the number one class.

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BucksLaw2013's picture

Honestly probably not. Even if you give OSU Grimes, Okudah, DPJ (which makes 5 of the top 12 overall to the good guys) and Lamonte Wade (all have OSU leading at this point), and say they keep the rest of their class together,  that gives us 14 stud recruits. Everything looks like 15 is going to be the class limit for 2017. Leaving only 1 spot open (probably for a DL prospect). That calculates to about a 270 class score right now on 247. Obviously a lot can change between now and NSD 2017, but it looks like we just won't be able to have enough body's to get the #1 class.

Still not complaining though because that class could have the highest star average ever, including no one under 4 star. I'll take that quality every time.

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Eph97's picture

All the ranking services are biased to Southern kids. As long as Meyer keeps reeling in top 5 classes OSU will be fine. The difference between #5 and #1 is purely subjective. We know how the on field results compare between Alabama and OSU when they played. On the flip side, MSU has been a major thorn with recruiting classes not even remotely close to OSU's.

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tennbuckeye19's picture

Yep. There is something to be said for developing talent, coaching it up, and etc. but it's been well documented that those who recruit in the top 5 or so are the teams that wins championships. 

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

Exactly, and Bama is even separating themselves from the rest of the top 5 in this cycle. On occasion we've seen other schools pull in classes with that much top-shelf talent (USC class from a few years ago comes to mind), but Bama does it the most. It would be nice to see Meyer get a class like that. We saw his best class, 2013, lead the way to an NC. Imagine what he'd be able to do with the class Bama just brought in.

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Eph97's picture

Damn near impossible to pull kids from the heart of the South. Only OSU has been able to get a few. ND, UM, PSU all can't.

If most 4*'s and 5*'s in one class are ever Northern and Eastcoast kids, OSU will be #1 that year.

I do agree with you though that I had visions of Meyer pulling in 4 5*'s in one class like he did at UF in 2010. Looks like 2017 may be his best chance to do so.

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Macke777's picture

It won't happen until 247, Rivals, and ESPN scout the North as much as they scout the South. Those sites devote most of their resources to the South, so Southern recruits end up higher ranked. If there are 10 scouts talking up a Southern recruit and only 1 or 2 pushing a Northern recruit, which recruit is going to be ranked higher? Cooper outperformed every other DE in this class at the camps the recruiting sites value so much (Bosa didn't go to the camps), yet he still ended up as a 4 star. I think Cooper's early commitment has a lot to do with it as well. Drama is good for recruiting sites, so uncommitted recruits move up in the last update to make the NSD an event. I trust our staff's opinions more than 247's or the other sites. 

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Macke777's picture

There is a reason Alabama has won 4 of the last 7: the BCS system and the rest of the SEC (except Ole Miss) crapping themselves when they play Alabama. Plus, it seems like recruits that hold out until the NSD move up in the rankings, while early, no drama commits decline by the last update. A third of Alabama's class held out until NSD, even though they were unofficial Alabama commits. I'd take our class over there's straight up. 

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CC's picture

I wouldn't, they have awesome corners and DT's we have better QB and WR and TE.

We need TE's CB's and DT's.

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Macke777's picture

To each their own. I think Ohio State landed a lot of underrated recruits in this class. We are in great shape with the best DBs in 2017 and we have 9 DTs on roster right now. The only thing we're missing at DT is a 5 star 1 Tech. 

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Macke777's picture

We also landed three of the best TEs in the country. 

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Alabama has the best recruiting tool in the nation; the national media.

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analyticalguy's picture

They have 4 recent national titles, and lots of players making it to the pros, and therefore lots of top recruits  It's a self-perpetuating cycle.  It's what Meyer is working towards at tOSU. Another title here in the next couple years, and Buckeyes making a splash at the pro level will be factors towards that.

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Ohio'sPraise's picture

If championships are won upfront then this OSU class worries me. Soft on DT's and stud LB's. Can't remember the last time somebody won and the fingers were pointing at DB's. Whatever, I'll go along with Urban's plan. 

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cecsix's picture

LB is not a position of concern, just look at the guys we've brought in the past 2-3 years. and they have arguably the best DE group in the nation.  Yes, DT recruiting could improve, but it's not like the guys we have are terrible.  

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Scarlatina's picture

LB is not a position of concern

As long as Luke Fickell is in charge of the LBs, I'll never be concerned about that group. Time and time again, Fickell has taken low-rated/3* guys and made them in to All-American/All-B1G players: AJ Hawk, James Laurinaitis, Ryan Shazier, Darron Lee...

DTs though, I am a little worried about... I believe in LJSr., but it is hard to coach up DTs if you don't have any to begin with...

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Whatever, I'll go along with Urban's plan.

Try not to sound so excited

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Seattle Linga's picture

Chuckle chuckle Quad

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

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Ohio'sPraise's picture

Like I said, this class worries me. I think it's a bad sign that Urban couldn't land more front 7 recruits and I doubt he missed them on purpose. It's especially worrisome when these dudes are going to Bama and TTUN instead. Sorry, just being honest. 

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BucksLaw2013's picture

Dude you have got to chill. Take a look at the top 100 talent at LB and DE in the last 2 classes. Bosa, Cooper, Jones, Baker, and Hilliard. Plus Booker, McMillan and Jalyn Holmes the year before. That's 8 top 100 in front 7 the last 3 cycles alone. Front 7 is loaded at DE and LB. So please don't complain about front 7. Maybe say what you really mean DT. Yes its been lighter than other positions, but its still a numbers game (See Bruce, Sam). We have a ton of young DT's and came really close on a couple blue chippers from the deep south. Panic if you want, I'm not worried in the slightest.

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buckeye phi's picture

Our 2015 class was crazy strong at linebacker.  It's hard to do that two years in a row - potential playing time becomes an issue.  All things considered, I'm rather pleased with the kids we landed. 

It's agreed, though - DT remains a major area of concern.  And championships are definitely often won up front.  But if you've got trouble at safety, you're not going to win many championships.

I can remember several instances when "somebody won and the fingers were pointing at DBs".  I've followed Buckeye football long enough to remember names like Tatum, Sensibaugh, Fox, Winfield, Doss, etc.  Every one of those guys were key to many victories over the years. 

Let's face it.  It's definitely still a team sport.  Possibly, the ultimate team sport -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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brunstar's picture

Alabama is oversigning its way to a #1 recruiting class?  No way, I don't believe you.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Look, I hate everything about Alabama, but they only have 23 commits, so I'm not sure it qualifies as "oversigning", given their graduations and draft entries. In fact, if you look at 2013-2016, Bama has signed 26, 27, 24, and 23 kids (100 total), respectively. Ohio State has signed 23, 23, 26, and 25 (97).

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

Also, oversigning doesn't explain how they got 4 top-20 kids in their class.

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kmp10's picture

Saban is THE best recruiter in college football. Urban Meyer is amazing... but Saban recruits like no one else. I hate to admit that, but it cannot be denied or debated. The results, number one class after number one class, say it all. It is beyond impressive... it really is. 

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tennbuckeye19's picture

Not taking anything away from Saban as a recruiter, but the product speaks for itself. It's a well-oiled machine. At this point, there's not much more he has to say other than: "Come here and you will win championships and play in the NFL." 

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CC's picture

He should get credit for the product.  It wasn't that way when he got there.

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tennbuckeye19's picture

For sure. Without a doubt, he's the reason they are so successful. I give him all the credit for that. I just meant it's easier to recruit kids there now due to their consistent level of success. 

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Brutus865's picture

It's easier to recruit to Alabama than Ohio st. Urban was a better recruiter when he was at Florida just based on the location of the school. 

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DaiTheFlu's picture

I don't think Saban is necessarily a better recruiter than Urban. He has the advantage of being in the south, where virtually every top 4 and 5 star prospect stays. Rarely do you see a stud 5 star player leave LA, Alabama or Mississippi for a northern school. We've had a bit of success with Florida and Georgia kids, but that's about it.

Also, winning 4 of 7 championship trophies is a hell of a drug. So in that regard, maybe Saban is "better", but if you put Saban at Michigan and remove the inherent location and talent advantage and I don't think he automatically gets the #1 class every year.

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youra6's picture

Agreed, his backyard is fertile with high 4 and 5 star recruits, which definitely helps. Look at the recruiting rankings before and after Urban. With Tressel, the recruiting classes were erratic. Some years we cracked the top 5, other years we fell off the top 20. But with Urban, you can count us having top 10 classes every year. Tressel was no slouch at recruiting either, but there is a marked difference between the two.

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cecsix's picture

On top of being in the south, kids who get offers from Saban and commit to Saban (rightfully so, probably), get a bump from recruiting services.  For example, if Jonathan Cooper was a Bama commit, I guaran-damn-tee he'd be a consensus 5 star.  

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Brandon26841's picture

While I agree with this for the most part, the same thing will often happen when Ohio State offers someone or someone commits to the Buckeyes. 

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kmp10's picture

When Meyer was at Florida he didn't recruit like Saban has at 'Bama. Meyer is a great recruiter, but Saban is in a class by himself. It's ridiculous to have to say that Meyer, as much as he's achieved at Fla and OSU, is not the best... but the data is what it is. At this point in time, Saban is better. A better recruiter. A better winner. Now, he's also more than 10 years older than Urban, so let's see what happens if, and I do mean IF, Meyer stays here another decade. The story hasn't been written for Meyer just yet... nor has it been for Saban, and that's scary. 

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Jack Burton's picture

Meyer had two #1 recruiting classes at UF

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kmp10's picture

Yes, he did... but I've now lost track of how many consensus number one ranked classes Saban has had at Alabama. It's a recruiting run unlike any that I've seen since recruiting became a national competition unto itself. There's no need to defend Meyer to me. I wouldn't trade Meyer for Saban... but Saban, in part due to the built in regional advantage Alabama enjoys in the SEC, has excelled beyond anyone else in college football, Urban Meyer included. 

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cdub4's picture

Meyer had one, if not two of the best classes of all time at UF. What Saban does is ridiculous though.

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cecsix's picture

Yeah, he had two #1 classes and one #2 class at UF, and when he finished #2 it was still the #1 class in the SEC.  He brought in tons of top 25-30 players, had the #1 or #2 player in the country a few times, and guess what?  ALmost all of them were from the south.  

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cdub4's picture

He basically was what Saban is now, the best recruiter in the SEC, then cherry pick players from other parts of the country, like Harvin, Haden, Hernandez, etc.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

You count that 2011 fiasco as a national title? And then 2012 when they should have not been there in the 1st place? They won 2012 by default......so that's two years of the four you mention that are quite suspect...

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CincyOSU's picture

Did they win the game on the field? The answer is unequivocally yes, they did, and that's all that matters. I'm not sure why so many on here are obsessed with making excuses for Alabama's recent success. They are VERY good, they recruit well, they have the 2nd best coach in the game, they send a boatload of players to the NFL., the list goes on. They are good, stop making excuses.

And if we're playing that game, remember when OSU backed into the 2007 game? Had we won that game, would you put an asterisk by that title???

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

um....OSU didn't deserve to be in that 2007 game either....and then to get curb stomped by a two-loss SEC team was embarrassing....

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CincyOSU's picture

Fair enough, but in that case shouldn't we be blaming the system and not punish the teams? Look I agree, had the playoff system been in place the last 10 years the SEC probably cuts their number of titles in half, but that doesn't mean they deserve an asterisk.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Okay....I can agree with that....the system did give them an edge....no question. I guess that is what infuriates me now. When there's an actual playoff, they got waxed last year even tho they beat a fair Clemson team this year. In hindsight, I'm still convinced we could have beaten them again, but as underdogs this year, perhaps we can make it back to CFP. 

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Montana silver bullet's picture

We'll see if Kiffin gets a HC opportunity if he has another good year. If so Saban will have a relatively new DC and a brand new OC in '17. While we should be peaking with a lot of our talent. 

Of course keeping our staff intact would help with a national title run

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tcm1968's picture

Saban is a great recruiter and has built that team into a dynasty. Having said that he ALWAYS enters into any recruiting trip with two advantages Urban can never get around. City size and weather. There are just a lot of kids from small towns in the South that don't want to play in the cold and don't want to live in a big city. You add in distance from home and it's an uphill climb to get a lot of these kids.

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Diplomat's picture

So 247 has jumped Bama all the way to #1...SMH

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oprettyricky's picture

Bama is showing no mercy today..... -3 f*cks given 

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fenger's picture

Too bad we didn't hang onto Hall, would've been historic DL haul with Cooper/Bosa/Hall, a la Spence/Washington/Bosa.

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

I would have traded Hall for a top-100 DT in a second. Also for a top-100 DB, come to think of it.

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BucksLaw2013's picture

Bosa was not in the same class as spence and washington. Se'von Pittman, another highly rated DE from Canton McKinley was, however.

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2002osubuck's picture

The rankings are so biased for southern players to begin with. This gives Bama and the SEC a jump out of the gate. The area players they get are naturally going to be rated higher than a Midwest or east coast kid. Look at Wayne Davis, Gatorade player of the year in Virginia, and he's a 3 star. Cooper wasn't rated high at all until he went to every camp over the summer. I love getting 5*/4* guys but I'll take the kid over the rating anyday.

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SFlaBuckeye13's picture

The best players are in the south and will continue to be. Excluding OSU, ND and TTUN there are no recruiting powers in the north. As much as we want to think it the B1G isn't that close to the SEC. When schools like Purdue, Maryland, Iowa, Indiana, Rutgers and Minnesota, etc can recruit like middle to below average schools in the SEC then we can talk

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drank1933's picture

Let's all just remember that Darron Lee was only a 3 star player coming out of HS and he was the best defensive player on the field in the 2015 Sugar Bowl (including many 5 star guys). Stars are certainly important, but getting the potential out of those stars is even more important.

In Urban we trust. Go Bucks!

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youra6's picture

Darron Lee is an edge case. 

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Nutinpa's picture

I will be interested in tomorrow's write up on this site as it grades the recruiting for the Defense with this class. Lots of reasons to be excited about the skill positions on both sides of the ball....and the O line.  And....is the lack of DTs in this class a concern....since it is a major ?? going into next season?  If Munger, Sprinkle, and the boys don't stout up, Kwon is going to be run over as if he was caught in a stampede.  

The main reason Bama has won 4 of the recent top 7 NCs has nothing to do with "southern media bias" or much of the other crap that we love to console ourselves with.  It's because they recruit the front 7 better than anyone in the country ---  and it isn't even close.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Perhaps, but that 2011 title was a fiasco and everyone knows it, and then 2012 was given to them by default. They should have never been there in the 1st place....

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CincyOSU's picture

1) Would it have been a fiasco if UM/OSU had a rematch in 2006? Or are you just complaining bc it's an SEC team.

2) Why shouldn't they have been there? Don't mention OSU, we were on probation. And if you think we would have beaten Bama that year you're insane. Bama played by the same rules as everyone else and then won ON THE FIELD. Try as much as you want, nothing will take away those two titles.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Are you Strav in disguise?......

1. Yes, it would have been a fiasco on the OSU/UM rematch. I don't believe in them, especially for a national title from the SAME conference.. How can you say Alabama was the national champ in good conscience when LSU shut them down completely in game 1 and stuffed their sorry *****?

2. IF OSU is NOT on probation in 2012, Bama is NEVER there in the 1st place. We would have played Notre Dame. Bama backed into TWO national titles by pure circumstance. 

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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elitesmithie's picture

We are 1 title and another draft class like this year away from getting top 2 classes every year. We can hate Saban but he has won 4 titles and puts kids in the NFL. We do too but not for as long. We get another year under our belt and we will be right there. Plus our division is nothing to sneeze at anymore. Michigan and Michigan St will be in the top 15 again plus Penn St will flirt with the top 25. Their D will be solid and they have good young running backs.Plus, its not like we sucked this year. Top 5 class is excellent. 

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cecsix's picture

While I agree that another national title and draft class like the one coming up are going to help, I don't think you'll ever see Ohio State getting top 2 classes on more than a one off basis, unless they relocate the school to the South.  There's just not enough top tier (top 25-30) talent in Ohio and surrounding states anymore. Yes, Urban does an amazing job of plucking kids out of the south, but it's mostly outside players.  He hasn't cracked the code on getting the big boys up front to move away from mama, and that's where the Bamas and FSU's are still out-recruiting him. And probably always will.  

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cecsix's picture

The Bosa boys being an obvious exception.  

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buckeye phi's picture

As long as we're consistently ranked in the top five classes, we'll have enough talent on the roster to consistently compete for championships. 

I read an article about this somewhere recently.  If I remember where I saw it - I'll post it in the forums

Just look at the recruiting rankings for the four years preceeding the championships won over the past decade or so.  It's highly unusual for a program that does not consistently recruit at a top ten level (at least) to finish the season in the top two or three - let alone as national champs -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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cecsix's picture

In addition to the already-mentioned inherent advantages to recruiting in the SEC, and even moreso to Alabama, there's also been a population shift over the past twenty years to the south.  Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc, have lost a ton of people who were seeking warmer weather and better economic prospects.  The rust belt has been in decline for 30-40 years.  Just look at western PA and NE Ohio, where schools like Ohio State could fill an entire recruiting class from a small area like that 30 years ago - those areas aren't quite as fertile as they used to be.  

Plus, in the South, these kids are playing more football.  I live in suburban Atlanta.  The school district we're in, which isn't even a powerhouse football program, has multiple tackle football teams for each grade starting (I think) in 4th grade.  It's a religion down here.  And, there aren't as many "fringe" sports AS readily available like lacrosse, hockey, etc to siphon off athletes.  The top athletes pretty much all play football from a very early age.  So, it inevitably just creates a larger pool of elite players.  

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jralvarez's picture

Don't be a damn hater. I HATE SABAN as much as the next guy..... but that team is fucken loaded.  Just like we are.

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bucknutz18's picture

I don't know why this comes as a surprise to anyone...  Saban has dominated college football while at Bama, is at a historical powerhouse, in the best conference in football (if you believe that or not is up to you), right smack dab in the heart of the most talent rich area in America.  No doubt he kills it year in and year out.    

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Eph97's picture

Was reading on bleacher report about why Terrelle Hall decommited from OSU. Looks like Alabama sold him on getting to the NFL. Alabama is getting a ton of guys with NFL dreams. Might eventually blow up in their face. I like the family atmosphere OSU is building. Of course, OSU guys get to the pros too, at a higher rate than Alabama.

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rglic001's picture

OSU needs to be in the top 5 on an annual basis to keep up with Bama.  According to the 247 composite rankings OSU has finished outside of the top 5 in recruiting a whopping total of 1 time since Meyer has been here (they finished 7th in 2015). So for those complaining about Meyer not pulling the top 30 guys or winning recruiting titles, he's still managed to finish in the top 5 and everyone else is right, generally those elite kids are down south and aren't leaving home or the warmth and why should they when they can go play for a guy like Saban in a small town near home.  

Out of the 35 5 star players that Saban has had commit to Bama only 3 have come from above the mason dixon line (Reuben Foster, Trey Depreist, Minkah Fitzpatrick). When Meyer was at FL he signed 19 or 20 five stars in the time he was there and only 4 came from above the mason dixon line so point being the two most successful coaches in recent SEC history could step out their backdoor and be at a 5-stars school.  Can't quite do that anywhere else but the South. 

All of that being said if you're the top 5 every year all is well, the difference between 1-5 is miniscule and usually a matter of a few points.  

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johngobuck's picture

OSU needs to invade IMG Academy and get this guy

http://247sports.com/Player/Dylan-Moses-22587

Scroll down and see some of the pictures on down the page.   This guy is ripped.   This is someone Fickell needs to show how OSU is Linebacker U. 

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