This meme says it all.

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aznchipmunk's picture

Much wow.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Nice work Brig

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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BuckeyeGrownFloridaLiving's picture

I believe this came from Block O. I saw it in an email from them.

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WorthyBuck's picture

He beat the team that beat Ohio State.  And he beat that team by 38.  With their star QB.  

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thebrig's picture

Does that mean Nebraska is better than Ohio State because they beat MSU too?

Never forget how we got screwed in 98

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WorthyBuck's picture

No.  

Although Bama,  MSU and OSU had the same record and based on the results of the entire season were pretty even, whereas Nebraska was clearly not on that same level, just pulled off an upset. 

Only Ohio State fans think Ohio State was as good as or would have beaten Alabama.  If the MSU front 7 could dominate our OL, what would the Alabama front 7 do?  

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thebrig's picture

Only Ohio State fans think Ohio State would beat Alabama?

That's what people said last year. lol

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Catch 5's picture

You don't give credence to the transitive property from recent games, but you sure love relying on a game from a year ago.  

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

MSU committed more bodies than we could block.  That doesn't mean they dominated our OL.  It means we absolutely refused to pass because the crosswinds were horrible the entire game.  We also refused to give the ball to Zeke, which also doesn't help any.  

I think if we had played MSU on any other day in any other weather there is a much different outcome, but you can't change the past.  And people act as though Urban Meyer has never won a big game before, either.  I recall a less celebrated defense shutting down 3 Heisman finalists last season, I don't think our improved defense would have had issues with Henry.

Also, as we all know the transitive property is completely bogus in football (and any sport) since it is about matchups and not always about which team as a whole is better.  Try the transitive property with paper rock scissors and let me know when you figure out which one is the best.  

Also, from 2014:  OSU < VT < GT < Florida St < Oregon < FSU < OSU < VT < GT < Florida St < Oregon < FSU < OSU.  Let's crown Georgia Tech with the national championship since they beat the team that beat the actual national champions.

As many others have said in many threads...  the team that showed up against TTUN and ND would have played with any team in the country, including Clemson and Alabama.  It took Alabama a few warm up games to get good in 2015, too.  And their loss wasn't by a last second FG to a playoff team.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Just adding my 3 cents to the conversation. 

Same sport different level - last year 2014 season of the NFL there is sequence where one team had lost to another that lost to another and the entire circle was complete. 

I guess it was 32 degrees of NFL separation

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chicagobuckeye's picture

And Ohio State took ND to the woodshed who only lost to 2 of the 3 teams in front of them by 2. Therefore, there needs to be a second NC between Ohio State and Alabama as Ohio State should really be the 2nd ranked team right now. #transitiveproperty

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Earle's picture

Alabama lost to Mississippi, who lost to Arkansas, who lost to Toledo, who lost to Northern Illinois, who lost to Ohio State.

#Disputed

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Spivan's picture

That must mean that Florida is better than Alabama. They abused the team that Bama lost to.

Does thst also mean Wake Forest was better than OSU last year?

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BeatTTUN's picture

It's funny because it's true

Bama got our sloppy seconds

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Every Alabama fan I talk to agrees.  They truly understand, unlike Finebaum, that Ohio State was much better than Clemson.  JT and Zeke would have produced a better run game and Ohio State's defense is much superior to Clemson's.

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Brandon26841's picture

Would Ohio State have been able to pass for 405 yards and 4 TD? I don't think so.

A game between OSU and Alabama or Clemson would have likely been close, but Clemson showed they deserved to be there, and had they not blew it on special teams would have won that game. It's safe to say those were clearly the 3 best teams in the nation (although OSU only played like they were in 3 or 4 games), but fans saying that OSU would have destroyed those two teams are being ridiculous. 

Everyone knows the whole transitive wins thing usually means nothing, but this team lost to MSU at home to a backup QB, and yet Alabama beat that team 38-0 with their QB back. And OSU is obviously superior to Alabama? What are people basing that off of? Last year means nothing. Last years team would have beat this years team IMO, and maybe easily. 

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Buckeyeneer's picture

Last years team would have beat this years team IMO, and maybe easily.

Last year's team was hungry. This year's team can be summed up by Mick from the Rocky series:

The worst thing that happened to you, that can happen to any fighter: you got civilized.

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Brandon26841's picture

Agreed. This team was not an improvement over last years team. It had the potential, but that potential was never realized (aside from most of the ND game, the Michigan game, and the Rutgers game). There was a pretty decent sized regression. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

You forgot to include the Penn State game and the Virginia Tech game.

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Brandon26841's picture

I was hesitant on the VT game. The first half they looked like they did most of the season (trailing, I'm pretty sure?) but they exploded in the 2nd half and I remember thinking "Damn, this team will be scary good". Good call on PSU. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I think Bosa would have kept Brewer in-check and helped prevent their first half rally. We started off strong going up 14-0 before the offense inexplicably eased up on the gas...

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awlinBrutus's picture

bosa would have destroyed bama's RT, dan Jackson I think. clemsons DE blew by him several times and he looked slow compared to bosa. . no mistake about it Clemson was a very good team.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Alabama lost to Ole Miss.  They played poorly and lost just like Ohio State did against MSU.  Yes, Watson passed very well, but punching Alabama in the gut with a power running game will wear them down physically and emotionally.  Clemson could not do that.  Their defense was a big part of that problem.  I was looking at the athletes and depth, not using the transitive property.  No team in the nation will match up athletically with Alabama, top to bottom, except Ohio State.  

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Catch 5's picture

punching Alabama in the gut with a power running game will wear them down physically and emotionally. 

Yeah, that's what MSU thought.  Bama's run defense was awesome.  OSU's best bet would be to do what Clemson did - rely on JT to keep plays alive and avoid the pressure ... then hit NFL throws or take the 10 yards that open up if he can make it to the corner.  Trying to run power against them is futile as that D-line was about 10-deep with run-stuffing specialists so you aren't going to tire them out with power.

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

Alabama lost to Ole Miss.  They played poorly and lost just like Ohio State did against MSU.

Actually, we lead or were tied the entire game against MSU.  The only point at which MSU ever had a lead was with :00 left on the clock.  So actually, our loss to MSU (a playoff team) was nothing like Alabama's loss to Ole Miss (not a playoff team).

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awlinBrutus's picture

the problem with some peoples argument about us losing to a playoff team is they only made the playoffs because they beat us.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Everyone knows the whole transitive wins thing usually means nothing, but this team lost to MSU at home to a backup QB, and yet Alabama beat that team 38-0 with their QB back. And OSU is obviously superior to Alabama? What are people basing that off of? Last year means nothing. Last years team would have beat this years team IMO, and maybe easily. 

One could also point out the fact that OSU wiped the proverbial floor with a team that Clemson barely managed to beat in a game that was literally played in a hurricane. Had conditions for that particular game been more conducive to throwing the ball there is a high probability that Clemson wouldn't have been playing Alabama for the national championship.

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Brandon26841's picture

I'm not sure I understand your last point. Clemson's bread and butter is throwing the ball, and if anything better weather would have made that ND game (who was much healthier at that point than late in the season) much easier for them (Watson only had 84 passing yards that day). You're saying if the weather was better ND would have beat Clemson?

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Notre Dame had a pretty fantastic passing game as well. I was not guaranteeing a victory for ND but I would have liked their chances had conditions been more favorable.

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Brandon26841's picture

Yeah, I get it. Both teams had to play in that slop though (that's why I always roll my eye when people bitch about the weather in the MSU game - MSU didn't seem to mind) but I get what you're saying. 

I think a fully healthy ND team is a top 5 team in the country this season. Their losses came to the #2, #3, and #4 ranked teams. 

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

MSU found success with a mobile QB against us in the bad weather.  They didn't beat us through the air, other than as a product of accounting for the QB run and our pass coverage being out of position.  We didn't game plan for that (and still held them to 17 points).

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awlinBrutus's picture

and the coaches thought we could slip by msu by running JT every play. shades of 2013 BIGCG.

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Jake321's picture

Not to mention ND was healthy when they played Clemson not so much when they played osu

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thebrig's picture

Ohio State was missing 3 key starters on defense.

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chromedomebuck's picture

Do I wish the Buckeyes were in the playoff and were one of the four best teams? Absolutely. 

That being said, I thought Clemson played a GREAT game (defensive issues for sure but Watson is an animal on O) and forced Saban to make a decision to change momentum of the game. He did; that onside kick was a very gutsy call that paid off. I disliked both of those teams from Monday night but they played a great game and I think Bama was a deserving champion. 

What needs to be changed? How the 4 best get selected or move it to 8 teams, IMO. Best 4 teams in the nation this year (subjective I know) were Bama, Clemson, ND, and OSU. I do think we would've won the National Championship if we had made it to the Final 4.

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

"I do think we would've won the National Championship if we had made it to the Final 4."

I don't understand this logic.

We DIDN"T make it to the final 4 because we lost to MSU.  We demonstrated that we were not of the same calibre as the teams that did make it. Out of the teams that made it, MSU put in an absolutely dismal performance, looking much smaller and weaker than Alabama. 

And we lost to them. At home. 

Fans need to really think logically about this instead of with all the homer emotion of any SEC fan base.

This team, with many returning starters, was still not the same team from 2014. And that showed in the QB struggles, the problems on the field(and some off). It was a good team, but it didn't become a great team until after the MSU loss. By then the train had left the station. 

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BuckeyeAirGuard78's picture

It's not logic, it's opinion...nothing to understand here.

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Triv's picture

Saying we weren't the same caliber as the playoff teams because we lost to MSU is just as laughable as saying we would've won if we made the playoffs. We lost to a 6-7 VT team at home last year, does that mean we weren't of the same caliber of the playoff teams? 

We played poorly, with poor game planning, in the middle of a downpour. But if you watched the Buckeye team that ended the season, I don't think its remotely far fetched to claim we were one of the best 4 teams in college football. Both the AP and the Coaches agree with that sentiment, so I'm not sure where you get we "weren't of the same caliber" as some of the teams ahead of us

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Crumb's picture

Only Urban and Auburn have been able to stop Nicky and Urban would have once again. 

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Maka's picture

Season is over. While the meme is funny, arguing over who had the better team is absolutely pointless. 2016 season cant come fast enough.

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blu.fan's picture

Funny meme. But the sad thing, for OSU fans, is it is all pointless speculation. OSU didn't beat MSU, end of story. We'll never know what would have happened if OSU had played Bama. Isn't this always the lament of the loser? "I coulda been a star, it shoulda been me, we woulda beaten them." Coulda, shoulda, woulda, is something we always hear. I will tell you:  be thankful you have the national championship the year before. Michigan has sucked for a long time. Whenever Michigan homers would talk about the national championship series, I'd roll my eyes. I think OSU would have represented the Big 10 better than MSU. But that's life. I was in shock, in utter shock, that OSU lost. I still don't get how OSU couldn't pass more. I mean, the weather was absolutely terrible, but their secondary was ripe for the picking, and it didn't happen. And you didn't use Zeke. Your losing to MSU is a little bit like the Seahawks losing to the Patriots in the Superbowl last year. Of course, Marshawn Lynch should have run the ball. But Pete Carroll, who is a good coach, outsmarted himself. Maybe Meyer did the same thing? I dunno.

Regarding the "4 best teams" argument, be careful with that. If you go down that road, there would be no basketball tournament. Because after all, "better teams" occasionally lose to worse teams. In every sport, pro and college, the "best" teams don't always end up in the championship. And we all love upsets . . . except when we're rooting for the better team. You'll always have to live with what could have been.

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Neilwoodgables's picture

Agreed, losing to MSU was a kiler.

Yet the glass is still half full in my eyes....especially when it is filled with the blood of Michigan and Notre Dame after skull fucking both teams.

I Hate Michigan.

 

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