2016 Offense Per Urban Meyer

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

As the Who would say..."Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Without Zeke next year and 4 new starting OL I think that we will see more of what we saw at the Fiesta Bowl. JT Barrett will throw more of the shorter routes to help open up the running game for Weber and Samuel, with an occasional deep throw to keep the secondary honest.

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BuckeyeNut's picture

Aren't Elflein and Price both coming back?

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BeatTTUN's picture

Yes

O line is a unit I'm not worried about. Coach Ed will have the Slobs ready.

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OfficerRabbit's picture

I'm really not trying to be a jerk, but doesn't the poor O-line play from the 1st half of this year (after returning 4 starters) give you some pause in your faith hat the O-line will be ready to go out of the gate? I'm assuming Coach Ed is going to have some sort of expanded role in the O-Coordinator role as well given Beck's lackluster performance, so how much time is he going to be able to devote to the new slobs?

 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

I think that our poor line play most of the year can be attributed to the new scheme that the Buckeyes tried to run. With Cardale, things tended to be more pass heavy and moved away from the read option. When we moved back to JT Barrett and the read option, our OL was much more comfortable in that blocking scheme and it showed. With JT being the undisputed starter next year, our OL will work on blocking in that scheme and I think that they will do just fine.

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Bringthejuice's picture

Yeah...our more-of-a-pro-style-offense didn't last very long

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awlinBrutus's picture

yes abandoning the zone read  was a mistake with cardale as the QB imo. he was effective enough in the post season running it as we all saw last year. I don't think meyer was referring to the  schematics of the offense mainly the play calling balance. but they definitely need to do a better job throwing deep and not quit after 1 completion or int.

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PoopOnMichigan13's picture

I was gonna say the same. O line looked very good the last 2 games imo. I saw them dominating against good defenses. The only time there was pressure on JT was when the coverage was good(or JT held the ball too long). I think our young guys will be very very good. Ive watched a little tape on some of them and I have to admit they look like beasts. Im sure with the playcalling seemingly figured out and a whole offseason to keep working our oline will be fine.

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BeatTTUN's picture

Nope

Jones Knox and Prince know what is expected of them. Having Spring and Summer practices to gel as Slobs will help.

Plus when they have to go 1 on 1 with the D line where in the soon to be 4 deep is the weak link?
Goodness Nick Bosa might be a 3rd stringer

The depth at DE is ridiculous

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countrybuckeye's picture

Many fans mistakenly believe all Lineman have the same skill sets.  I am specifically speaking of pass blocking, "an art not easily acquired in a short period of time." (Pat Elflein)

These super studs we recruited and forced to watch the Slobs from the bench are supposed to be the next best thing since sliced bread. I've read as much from all commenters on 11W. 

So, now begins their opportunity to create their legacy.  A Slobs unit with superior pass blocking would be an improvement over the 2015 edition. 

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Sorry, forgot about Price. Elfein should move to center next year and Jamarco, Knox and Prince should fill the other 3 remaining spots.

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awlinBrutus's picture

I think the OL may be more athletic in 16. we have plenty of 3&4 year guys to choose from. would be nice to have more rotation on both sides of the line. the rotation on the DL did improve this year dramatically compared to the last 2 years.

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robinson819's picture

I think it will be Lisle over Knox. Just a hunch.

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SouthernTip's picture

I don't think they move Samuel back to RB. He could definitely do it, but if they keep switching his role he isn't going to be able to really polish his skills. I think Weber and Dunn take over RB.

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countrybuckeye's picture

Makes sense 

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Zonabuck's picture

I think schedule plays quite a bit in this. 2016 is probably the most brutal schedule Urban will have seen here. We will need to be clicking on O right out of the gate, as opposed to being able to get through the first 6-8 games before we're really challenged. And when we shut down the passing game and ride the running game to early victories, we'll lose out on the opportunity to (a) work on the passing game at game speed, which will be needed far more next year, and (b) we lose the chance to rotate guys in at WR to see which combination works.

Finally, the product on the field has to hurt us in recruiting. Elite athletes don't mind blocking for the RB, but they want their chances to be on highlight reels for receiving. We have three big targets left for he 2016 class at WR, and we need to pro is more emphasis on the passing game going forward because we haven't consistently demonstrated it on film. 

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8rhohiostate's picture

Oklahoma will be a good game at a good time in the seasons. We win, that's a big boost. We lose, it might wake the team up like the past two years after a loss. 

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Txsbuckeye's picture

I think we will use a lot of qb runs. Basically the whole season will be like the MSU game

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countrybuckeye's picture

naw, after 0-6 we just close the doors and concentrate on hoops

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Nashville's picture

I don't think so at all. We'll have tons of talent, just inexperienced talent. This sounds crazy, but our passing game will be better despite all the new WRs. The dysfunctional QB situation and play calling was the biggest problem and that will be worked out. 

"You can never pay back, but you can always pay forward."

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robinson819's picture

Agreed. I expect it to be better with bigger WR on the outside with smaller guys working the inside.

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bd2999's picture

I would assume more similar to 2014. Meyer prefers power running and all sorts of guys running out of the backfield. But there were some insanely run heavy games this year that were very unbalanced. 

I imagine that we will see a team that is nearer to 50-50 in terms of plays run but edged towards running the ball. This year they seemed like they were afraid to pass at times and afraid to do much other than long routes. I imagine that the goal will be passing all over the field and so on.

One of the very worst things about his year was how at times it was either the deep ball or nothing at times. The short and intermediate routes were largely ignored. Maybe that is because of WRs or whatever but seems that it was a trend. 

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Doak412's picture

I thought we should have ran with Zeke more this year. with 4 New lineman I think throwing the ball more would be a hard task with the new lineman. Plus if Thomas leaves that's our most polished receiver. I think the other guys that would be around (Marshall maybe...) all have room for improvement with creating separation and finding the soft spots in the zone. We really need to find a speed guy who can be our deep threat because that was truly missed this season.

Overall though great season I enjoyed watching MOST of it. Just made these points because I think it would be hard to pass with all the changing players.

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countrybuckeye's picture

Maybe we should send an 11W staffer to interview Jamarco, Meech, Evan, Isaiah, and Brady -- ya know, to get their take on the sitch 

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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BeatTTUN's picture

201Zone6

I'm nostalgic about Dudes that are leaving and pleased with what is still in the cupboard.

A healthy season from Brown, Clark, Dixon and Campbell to go along with Marshall, McLaurin, KJ, Stump and Gibson plus Mack

Dudes boom boom firepower

An off season of JT working with Zone 6 will workout the pecking order of who the go to receivers are. Once a bona fide deep threat steps forward the offense will have the devastating rhythm we enjoy seeing.

Also looking forward to Jones Knox and Prince achieving Slob status.

There is solid depth at each position on both sides of the ball.

Go Buckeyes

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Tebow, Harris, Braxton, JT..... If you don't think the QB is going to run 15-20 times a game, you haven't been watching Urban Meyer coached football teams.  The one exception may be Alex Smith, who carried about 11 times a game, in 2004.   

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Bringthejuice's picture

Per Urban...balance isn't about 50-50 run-pass. I think we'll see more of a commitment to getting the ball in the hands of playmakers on the edge and in space. One point of the spread offense is to force the opposition to defend every square inch of the field...from sideline to sideline. Teams like MSU were never forced to do that.

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UrbanCulture's picture

one thing I cannot understand is how we don't really utilize the middle of the field.

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scooby22's picture

more worried about the other side of the ball ... the whole damn defense will be playing on sundays next year.  i think the offense will be fine with barrett, samuel, marshall, wilson, brown, etc. ... they have a LOT of weapons ...

" ... poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and a king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything ..." - The Boss

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OSU069's picture

Well a lot of people are saying that Marshall is going to enter the draft 

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scooby22's picture

no worries if he does (and best of luck just like the rest of them -i hope they all make it big!) ... but it just means more reps for the others. also, my heart could use the rest cuz it jumps out of my chest every time he fields a kick ... that kid makes me nervous when he touches the ball ... partly excited, mostly nervous!

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Doak412's picture

Yeah I think he's gone. A lot of the other guys mentioned are slot or H-back receivers. Brown is the X-factor along with Mack because I think he will get playing time. A major question if Marshall and Thomas leave who will be who are the two outside receivers.

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linepilot15's picture

Agree, the offense should be fine. I think Gibson is going to be a real playmaker for the Bucks. The Defense is the biggest concern

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countrybuckeye's picture

Scooby22

Looking at what provided depth this year on the front 7, I don't see the worry (and don't forget LittleBear coming to challenge for PT) --

Sam, Tracy, Michael, Jaylyn, Tyquan, Darius, The Chef, Chris, Dante all have experience.  

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hetuck's picture

See the Fiesta Bowl game plan. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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southbay's picture

It will be designed specifically to do one thing: destroy Alabama's defense.

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

destroy Alabama'sMSU's defense.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Get well soon Mrs.Naut 6-0 > 3-6.

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Buckeye Knight's picture

Just my opinion, but it'll look similar to 2014 and the TTUN and ND games. The option game, power runs, trying to develop a deep threat. We really lacked the deep threat this year. Combine that with the while changing the offense for Cardale and Tim Beck's sorry ass, and we just weren't the same this season. JT is THE man next season. I think Samuel and Weber will share RB duties. We get Noah Brown back, hopefully TG who might end up being the deep threat.

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Zonabuck's picture

Was it just a deep threat, though?  The frustrating part of much of our passing game offense in the Tressel era was that it required a WR to make an extraordinary play in spite of the offense.  In other words, play scheme, pre snap formations, motion, route running, etc. wasn't designed to create mismatches or to put defenders in no mans land. Or if it was, coaches had already seen it on tape and knew how to prepare their teams to defend us. And a lot of it was the QB not throwing until the WR was to a spot and they made eye contact. Result?  A lot of passes defended, or a QB that became hesitant. 

The Herman era brought much more of the "pick your poison" pressure on the D. We honestly didn't have a roster of studs last year at WR. We had straight line speed in Devin, a decent route runner in Thomas (not hating, but he wasn't taking over games), a guy who could work in space in Jalin, and a decent route runner / devastating blocker in Evan.  Not a bunch of 6'-3" speedsters who scare the crap out of you. But the offense had plays designed to match safeties on speed, linebackers on guys who can work in the zone, and three levels of routes that can take advantage of a DB biting short or getting good positive yards with a chance for YAC if the DB shades deep.  And it was "I'm throwing to a spot. Get there."  Result?  A lot of explosive plays in the passing game. 

This year felt like we had moved back to more of the Tressel type offense, where we were asking the WRs to make individual effort plays rather than run an offensive scheme that got DBs out of position for explosive plays. A lot of that is likely because we put our running game coordinator in charge of the passing game, and a lot of it is likely because the info he was getting from the booth wasn't insightful enough to make in game changes based on what the D was overplaying or leaving vulnerable.

That absolutely has to change next year, or we should expect to see the same results. I think it means we will see someone new in February, and I think that's what Urban is ultimately alluding to when he says it'll be different. 

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stxbuck's picture

Spread offenses are not designed for making downfield throws easier or more common. They are designed to make explosive plays happen by quick guys juking a slower/sloppier LB or S. The downfield plays Devin Smith made were not scheme specific.

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Buckeye Knight's picture

To me, a deep threat is a receiver that can catch enough long passes to make a defense respect him enough so that if they load the box, they pay dearly for it. Devin did that. We didn't really have that this season. When Urban talks about stretching or spreading a defense, it's both horizontally and vertically.

Also, Spencer was great at making blocks to spring big plays. By all accounts, Noah Brown was during the fall, too.

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MaxPowerBucknut's picture

Why wait until February?  If you're going to make a change, better to do it now so recruits know what's going on. And I assume you are alluding to Tim Beck being the change, and I seriously doubt he's integral (for the positive, anyway) on anyone's recruitment. Fish or cut bait...

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NashBuckeye's picture

Running the option is clearly on of JTs strengths (Zone Read or speed option), We have a potential workhorse in Weber, Home Run hitter in Samuel, and a new O Line that will probably be better run blocking than pass blocking. I hope the Offense looks like it did in Ann Arbor

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TroyBuckeyeFan22's picture

Scrap 90% of designed QB runs in my opinion. Zone reads, scrambled...cool. QB draws over and over again..I hate it. JT is a good runner but not worth the risk, and we have playmakers. This isn't Louisville where the QB is the best athlete. Or Oregon. Get the ball to the playmakers. I liked the offense against Notre Dame and UM. Other than that, can't remember to many times this year where I was happy with the execution and play calling together.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

The QB draw is boring, if i may say so, but winning is better than excitement, because you play to win.  JT is an above average runner, with a career average of 5.7 yards/carry. Barrett has a career average of 8.3yards/pass attempt, so sometimes I wish they'd pass more, getting the ball to players like Miller, Thomas, Samuel, Marshall, etc.  also frustrating about the QB draw, even at 5.7 yards/attempt, is it takes away carries from guys like Hyde and Zeke who carry the rock for over 6 yards a tote.

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Zonabuck's picture

The more you run the QB, the more worn down he gets. Precision passing, timing suffer. Tempo is slowed down to let him catch his breath. If he's Greg Ward and he's all you got, you do it. If you're surrounded by play,Akers, you get the ball out quick, keep him fresh, line it up again and go. Wear down the D, not your QB, IMO. 

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johnblairgobucks's picture

I hear you, have heard a ton about going up tempo, but rarely saw it in 2015.  The times they went there the offense clicked, multiple players got involved and we moved the ball.  The offense really seemed to slow down when they went the QB draw route.

good call about the crispness of the passing game, ZonaBuck.  

Before we get the 'you know less about football, than Urban Meyer has forgot' comment, I'm well aware that I'm just shooting the shit about football, here.  

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countrybuckeye's picture

No, I actually appreciate your thoughts, as this is the proper time to discuss these things. 

The blind could see "up tempo" was our strong suit. And quite frankly, we didn't run it to Oregon 2014 specs.  Those guys scored quicker than the Pete Carroll Trojans. 

THAT should be a weapon we perfect. And how does the Silver Bullets defense handle the quick turnarounds?  By training for it with Mickey Marroti. Speed kills -- lets just make sure it doesn't kill our Bullets 

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Zonabuck's picture

We prepare for it on D by recruiting and developing quality depth. We had three starters on DL out against a Top 10 ND team and the backups, without a lot of rotation, did fine. Early in the year, we weren't seeing those guys on the field and Urban was publicly challenging them (and the D coaches) to step up their games and become contributors. We need to have quality backups at all three defensive levels in order to go up tempo on O. I'd we have to protect the D for any reason, we slow down.  And, as we saw against ND, slowing down not only takes the pressure off the opposing D, but it lets them tee off on the QB when they time the rush based on the play clock, and it impacts execution. 

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KBonay's picture

How many of those 'Run' plays were called pass plays that turned into a QB run?

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