I was just reading about Eli when I saw this. Best of luckJalen
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All of Buckeye Nation get used to this every year or two because as long as Urban is recruiting this will be an annual event Go Bucks
I can live with that, it just means they were great here and earned a reason to leave early.
But this is also why it is all the more baffling that the team didn't play with the sense urgency and passion (as several have admitted) during the regular season, knowing this was their last hurrah together.
2015 was a great year, but the ultimate conclusion will of the 2015 season will always be a big fat "WHAT IF?"
Yikes. Well, I hope young guys are ready to play because they're 100% going to get an opportunity next year.
Talent-wise we seem to be pretty set for next year... experience will come obviously as we move forward. Excited to see some of the young guys step up and show us why they were recruited.
What I really want to know is WHERE did he get THAT HAT! "2015 Big Ten East Division CHAMPIONS"... which is true since we were technically co-champions. Want.
....the royal we.... man........
Yes, that hat would absolutely be in my collection, especially wearing it around B1G Conference team fans. When they say, "but you didn't go to Indy and play Iowa in December 2015!" I will respond, "And how did THAT work out for everybody?!"
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I feel like out of all the declares this is the only bad one. He'd have the chance to make millions of more dollars staying one more year and being the go to receiver. I exepct him to go 6th round - undrafted.
Agreed. He needs some work on his route running and his hands weren't always the most reliable.
I'm sorry Jalin but I don't see a lot of teams excited for smallish 5'11" wide outs with average route running skill and lingering ball security issues.
I thought there was no way Apple, Powell, or Marshall would declare for the draft since to my eyes they had so much more to improve about their skills. So I hope I'm as wrong as I was about that prediction when I now predict all 3 will end up drafted significantly below where they hope they'll go. I understand the excitement around going Pro and I'm sure that excitement is magnified on a team with so many graduating seniors but at some point someone needs to sit these kids down and explain that just because they're a big man on campus doesn't necessarily mean NFL teams are just waiting with baited breath to shower them with millions of dollars of precious salary cap space on limited 53 man rosters.
Apple is projected to be a 2nd rounder and will be a long time starter in the league.
I hope Apple ends up being a top-40 pick and doesn't fall into the 3rd round, I hope you're right.
Who is grading Apple as a 2nd rounder? I haven't seen anyone saying he goes before the 3rd.
Matt Miller of Bleacher Report has Apple going in the 1st round in his latest mock draft... even ahead of Zeke. CB is a premium position in the NFL and Apple has the prototype length and physical attributes that NFL teams covet so I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.
Matt Miller at Bleacher Report? Who cares???
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Yea, that Matt Miller, the same turd who never backtracked on his support of either Sandusky nor Paterno after the whole child raping issue. I pretty much lost all respect for him after that.
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Ive seen numerous mocks with him going 1st and 2nd round. Im not sure what round he goes but I cant see it being lower than 3rd.
Also he looked dominant against ND so his stock is probably as high as ever. With a strong combine he could easily be a 1st or 2nd rounder.
"I hate losing more than I like winning."- Chris Paul
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, he is an electric player with great field vision, finds holes, has done well securing the ball this season, a decent WR is not a common commodity, even in the NFL.
Best wishes to Jalin at the next level.
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Just look at the impact Tyler Lockett has made. Him and Jalin are very comparable. I would love the Bengals to take him in the 4th-6th round. Tons of teams need good returners...field position is the name of the game.
Maka, Tyler Lockett ran a true 4.4 40-time, had two 1,000 yard seasons, didn't declare early so he could have a 1,500 yard senior season and with all that still fell to the 3rd round. By contrast Jalin hasn't even gotten 1,000 yards receiving in 2 seasons combined. Unless Marshall runs a true 4.4 40 at the combine I think the 4th round is mighty generous, you might be able to get your 6th round wish.
Im not trying to compare him to Locket...just what a good returner can do to a team.
If he can replace Brandon Tate I'd be thrilled.
To me he is a guy who goes in a low round if at all but then ends up being a good slot wr and returner. Hes got great vision and solid hands. I dont know how good he is at route running because its hard to watch that consistently but he seems decent at it.
Anyway best of luck to him.
I love Jalin, did a lot of good over the last 2 years but could have been great in 2016. I believe he is making a mistake...but I wish him nothing but the best!!
I see Jalin being a 5th round or worse, Apple a 4th round pick or worse and Powell not drafted
"When you help someone up a hill, you get that much closer to the top yourself..."
You're crazy if you think Apple is going 4th or worse. He's a tall, aggressive CB with good coverage and speed who started two years for a National Championship team. Second round.
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@ Blue Eyed Buckeye -
I understand the excitement around going Pro and I'm sure that excitement is magnified on a team with so many graduating seniors but at some point someone needs to sit these kids down and explain that just because they're a big man on campus doesn't necessarily mean NFL teams are just waiting with baited breath to shower them with millions of dollars of precious salary cap space on limited 53 man rosters.
I have no doubt that these players are getting accurate & honest advise from their position coaches & Meyer. They also can request the NFL to project their estimated draft position if they declare. To a young man from a tough background, dreams of millions & a 300,000 salary or signing bonus can seem too good to pass up. You're thinking of helping your mom, your wife or girlfriend and even a baby you need to provide for. (Disclaimer - I know very little about these young men's backgrounds, other than they seem like outstanding people).
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"The recipient of Oyster's ONLY down vote".
Exactly, this isn't done in a vacuum, these kids know pretty much what their chances are and how much they will make coming out of the chute.
I think you're spot-on.
Many of us come from primarily privileged (or at least not too rough) backgrounds, and even though our first instinct is that they should stay for one more year, the allure of a paycheck and providing financial stability to a family that has struggled is certainly admirable and understandable. The thing, of course, that happens too often is that they make money the only focus and blow it all on stupid things. Or repeat those learned behaviors and be like Adrian Peterson...I'll leave it at that. If the motive is right, and you stay humble, I don't blame them.
"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir
I'm not the biggest fan of this argument. It's a very similar argument to saying "you should get a job out of high school because someone's willing to pay you rather than going to college and hoping for a bigger pay day later on." Most of us went to college for 4 years to make a little more money, this is a guy who could go to college 1 more year for the chance to make a lot more money. I don't think it's a wise decision, but just one fan's opinion.
The difference is you would break your leg, never be able to walk again and still work in most fields. Football players don't have that luxury.
My girlfriend who I admit knows little about football nicknamed him "slimy hands" because of the drops he's had receiving and PR. He's definitely got work to do as a receiver. I can see leaving a year early but two? Not sure about that one.
Well she sounds hideous.
I'm not sure fans understand that college just didn't fit for some people. Some guys need to get out and work and have their life planned out for them minute to minute. Academics, drugs, overall culture are often missed when people talk about NFL or not for some of these players.
I'm not judging or bashing anyone's comments either. I understand that most people only see this from a football perspective. I'm just stating that often times guys just can't hack college. It's a completely different beast being the big man on campus and possibly being in the wrong crowd, etc.
You'd have a stronger point if it was a player who's looking at being suspended/kicked off the team/etc. Or someone who has a reasonable and sound shot of being drafted. Marshall is neither. Are there rumors he has issues with his grades, drugs, hanging with the wrong crowd? I don't think this is the case.
It's a strong point then..
Well gee, thanks for answering my question. If there was any doubt he was in trouble you'd think we'd have heard about it? Good to know it's a weak point you made.
You don't know what you are talking about and I do regarding this situation. That's why my point was strong. I assumed you would comprehend that.
Obviously I don't know, which is why I asked. And since you have yet to give any evidence or hint that there is something going on behind the scenes that absolutely nobody on 11W has talked about, I'm guessing you don't know either. Which makes your point incredibly weak.
I'm trying to be nice and tactfully explain that there are plenty of outside from football issues that are on play here. I would rather not go into specifics and if you think that's wrong than you have the right. I had hoped to provide some input on the situation without being disrespectful to a great kid from a great family. College just doesn't fit for everyone and sometimes outside circumstances are more in play than fans think when someone might be deciding to go pro. I mean no offense.
You haven't given any input whatsoever. And my point remains, if there were issues outside football (drugs, classroom, whatever) it's something that would have been discussed or at least mentioned by someone with some actual inside knowledge on here, not some one who signed up on 11W yesterday. You're trying to make yourself look more smarter by ominously say there are outside issues.
There are outside issues is the point. I'm not sure why you are arguing with me. I'm not sure what my motive would be to sign up to a website to lie about knowing Jalin and his family?
Maybe the reason I signed up just yesterday was to provide input to fellow Buckeye fans regarding a specific situation I know about. Have you thought of that one? In either case you aren't very welcoming and seem to anger quite easily. I'll move on and you can pound your chest for pushing someone away from this site with your condescending, rude attitude.
Have a good day!
You clearly have no idea what anger looks like lol. Just like you have no idea what's going on with Jalin's decision to go pro.
Thank you. Fans are selfish and only think about football(most fans). You have no way to know all that goes into these men's decisions regarding their personal life.
I want all OSU players to be successful but Id rather them be happy with their life and choices then have them for an extra year or two. Success is measured by happiness not by yds and tds or even money.
I have no issues with people disagreeing with their decision to leave or not leave but at the end of the day its simply not our choice its their life and career. They have every right and imo should make whatever choice they truly want to make regardless of what others say.
Cant disagree. Has not shown enough to me to warrant an early entry. Not to mention his fumbling issues...
Buckeye fan in the heart of Badger territory.
I agree. I knew he was mulling it over but I am surprised he decided to do it. With the exodus of talent on offense, I thought he'd assume to be more of a feature in the 2016 offense and get a better opportunity to showcase his skills to scouts. Either way, best of luck to that young man!
Yes I agree.
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I disagree, and I'll take that bet! He'll go in the 3rd, most likely, but definitely a lock to be drafted. He'll be drafted for his return skills alone, but he also has a good chance to get time as a slot receiver.
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He'll be a 4th or 5th round pick more than likely. This is definitely a guy making a decision based on the moment and seeing his buddies declaring for the draft instead of looking bigger picture. Jalin would be featured more in the offense next year without Zeke and could really help his stock. Right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see him be assigned to a practice squad next year.
I wish him the best, but I think this is a mistake and a kid caught up in the moment or not getting good information.
4th or 5th round makes it extremely tough to make it especially at a skill position. No guaranteed money means that he'll be cannon fodder.
I will always appreciate what he did for us but this isn't smart and its hard to watch. I'm from Akron and I watched Antonio Pittman come out too early and get drafted in the 4th round. Got cut in his first training camp, bounced around for two seasons and then out of the league. I did hear he's trying to be a firefighter now so I'm glad he's getting his life back together.
I wish them all well, but this is going to be tough to stomach for everyone...especially Apple, Marshall, Powell and Bell (if he comes out).
Agree 100%. Bell may be the only one of those that could go by the 4th round, the others will be late picks and no guarantee to even make rosters. The only guys that for sure need to leave early are Bosa and Zeke. The rest could improve their stock with another year of getting stronger and gaining more experience. Just depends what their current financial situation is and whether it's worth risking possible injury that might hurt draft stock. Roll of the dice and hope it works out for them.
@SilverBullets I can't agree with you more, the NFL is a terrible place for on-the-job training. Just watch Hard Knocks to see how quickly you can go from being the star of your college team to fighting a losing battle for a roster spot, scared to think of how you'll put food on the table for your kids. The NFL is a real hard place to make a living if you aren't Joey Bosa and Zeke Elliott.
I couldn't agree more!
Absolutely agree. When people started mentioning Jalin and Tyvis going pro, I could hardly believe it. I understand that your friends are leaving and that its in your mindset that you will always be the best, but it's a different level. They haven't shown that they can be the best in college yet, let along be indispensable on a 53 man team where there is always someone else waiting. Those two could have really used another year.
I will agree to disagree with you. His decision making as a punt returner has really never been all that sound, solid or fundamental... in addition to his ball security issues. From watching every punt return of his career, if I were him, I would be hoping that NFL scouts looked at that last in regards to everywhere that he has contributed offensively. He regressed statistically in 2015 as stated. Calling him a 3rd rounder, most likely, is very generous. He needs one helluva combine to be anywhere near the 3rd round.
Had he returned next year, without Braxton taking away his touches, he could've been 2nd round or better pick for sure. I wish him the best and hope he proves me wrong, but my gut feeling and fear is this may have been a tragic mistake for his career. Hope to see all of our boys kill it at the combine. And I'm excited to see how Curtis Samuel thrives next season with JT, now that Jalin and Braxton will be moving on. I think they'll be a speedy and powerful duo.
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Probably a 5th rounder. That would be my guess. As a 5th rounder, he would be a potential practice squad candidate... That would suck for him. Imo, he's the 1 guy who REALLY needed another year w/o Zeke, Miller and Thomas to increase his draft value. Hopefully Urban tried to talk some sense into him anyway.
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I thought he was solid in the return game this season. Much improved over last year. Not saying he should have declared, but I saw great strides in this area. Thought he would have taken one back at some point.
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I agree with you on the expectation of a return for TD. Heck, I had expected 3 punt return TD's at minimum, to be honest. With as many punt opportunities as he was bound to get coming in to the season. He was less shaky this season compared to last, I also agree. But he didn't really do anything all that dynamic this season at PR for a pro scout to look at first and foremost, I guess is what I'm saying. Versus his ability to go up and make tough catch one on one and ability to find separation in slot route running. Those I think are his bread and butter skill set. Remember that first big catch he had against Bama down the side line up and over that dudes back? And then the 3rd down separation he found over the middle to help convert and keep the chains moving in the first half. That's our boy, Jalin.
You must have missed the Fiesta Bowl. He had 73 return yds on 4 punt returns, and his one kick return, he got 36 yds. He's a dynamic returner, improved greatly this season in his decision making, and had zero muffed punts this season.
Don't confuse him with facts
Especially when the facts consist of one last game in a 3-year OSU career.
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One game huh? Solid data.
I agree but I think part of the problem and marshal saw this year how there just isn't enough snaps for everyone. this roster is still deep and talented imo.
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Exactly. It's not like we're throwing it around the yard on Saturdays. He probably wanted to stay the H back, but was our best option to move opposite @cantguardmike - especially when Noah Brown went down. I think he's a slot guy in the NFL anyway, and without established #1 WRs next year (assuming Mike declares) he's goin' while the gettin' is good...
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I thought about that, and honestly in the end I think that with less options, the offense will function more efficiently with less skill guys on the team demanding touches-without significant injuries of course. That being said, he most likely would have been the feature weapon on offense next year (assuming Mike Thomas also declares) seeing that he'd be the most experienced WR on the roster. In the end, he probably figured that he might as well get paid to improve at the next level rather than play for free and risk injury for one more year, which is sound logic. He'll definitely get drafted in the mid-to-late rounds.
IF he goes in the last rounds, will he be on a team's 'practice squad'? He would be paid, but is this what he is prepared for?
Jalin is likely losing a shit load of money by not playing college for another season. Like you said, he would be the #1 go to receiver next season and that would surely up his draft position.... Can't blame him for wanting to make money, I just hope he really thought this through.
he had TONS of room to improve his draft position......someone "advising" him did him no favors
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Frankly speaking, I think the two biggest mistakes being made are by Jalin and Powell, with Powell being the least likely to get a shot at an NFL team. Too slow, average tackler, poor hands and still makes coverage mistakes (when compared to Vonn Bell, who should be heading to the draft). Don't get me wrong - l love both of these guys, as they are both quality people, but neither is ready to step onto an NFL roster. Both need one more year to improve their draft stock ......... But, now that they've declared, I wish them all the luck in the world (both will need it)
I agree 100% Powell wasn't going to improve much so leaving now gives him a chance in a weak safety class, Marshall would move up a few rounds and has potential but hasn't put together a full season
I'll play devil's advocate...it has been well documented that he has the drops, neither elite route running nor elite speed. My question then is how would making him the go to receiver (who takes on the other team's best corner) guarantee improved draft stock (see Brown,Philly) or production (see Thomas, Mike). He could easily look a lot worse now and his in-game weaknesses would have greater exposure. He might not get drafted this year? If the adjectives we have used to describe his play persist, he may not get drafted next year either, so what's the difference? He can improve? Well, he could also regress through play or injury.He should at least get his degree? I thought BIG athletes were guaranteed their scholarships if they returned to finish their degree after leaving early. If anything, returning after a stint (or not) in the NFL might put a different perspective on the value of a quality education (especially when that is your last option for a decent paying job rather than as an annoying condition necessary to stay academically eligible for college ball). Pardon me for poking holes in everyone's theories...don't mean to be a prude.
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Wow... honestly did not see this one coming. I thought for sure he could have used an extra year. Will be interesting to see where he lands and what round... Best of Luck to you Young Man!!! Go Bucks!!!
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thank you Jalin
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Middletown, Ohio is getting another receiver to the NFL. Good Luck Jalin!
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Ryan day is the new Ohio State head coach.. and I'm okay with that.
This is a curious decision.
Best of luck to him.
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Some future NFL fan-base is about to get blindsided with heart-attacks from his occasional head-scratching punt return decisions
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"GET AWAY FROM IT!!!"
Ha ha - I yell the same thing everything a punt hits the ground and he's hanging around it.
Definitely a guy I thought could use another year in college, but I won't begrudge him for making the best decision for him.
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Thank you for reminding me about Dontre! That actually cheered me up. Hoping for a big year next year!
I wouldn't hold your breath. Although, like me you're from Cle so in our book "big year" could just mean he plays in every game
I was coming in here to post "Dontre Wilson won't admit it, but he's smiling on the inside."
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2016 is shaping up to be a big year for Dontre. He has the speed, talent and now the experience to be very explosive.
I sure hope so, I was so hyped for him but he's just been in the dog house on the sidelines.
Mass exodus... yuk.
We're a blue blood program and should be seeing an exodus every year, kinda like Kentucky basketball.
I mean, yes, but this is a stampede, not an orderly line forming at the exit.
MOTHER FUCKER CAN THIS PLEASE STOP NOW.
Ok, I'm fine now. Damn it this sucks ass.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
I'm sorry, but I cannot see how this is a good move. He hasn't shown the ability to get open and his route running ability could definitely use another year. Best of luck, but I just don't see this working out well for him.
I disagree there is no reason for him to comeback he is not a flank he is a slot in the NFL Ohio State had him playing out of position this year last year he got open a lot because he is much better in the slot! Basically he is a very good slot not so good outside
Always enjoy the fire take saying the guy can't get open or catch, but definitely needs to come back and play for the Buckeyes again.
I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..
Because he could learn to run better routes and therefore get open more, improve his draft stock.. and get a degree in case he doesn't get drafted and make a roster.
How many "fans" care about a guy getting his degree vs. producing touchdowns for their favorite team? People act so salty and take it so personal when someone leaves early. Practice squad money is more than an average joe fan will make and that's usually a worst case scenario.
I will never fault someone for leaving if they think it's the right thing to do. Thank them for their contributions and wish them well as opposed to giving us a hot take draft projection with all the reasons why they aren't ready.
Hammering fans for giving their honest opinions is worse than being "hot take" guy
Clay Travis would like a word with you.
People can have their opinions, no problem, but that doesnt mean their opinion is correct - mine included. The message board draft experts and people bashing a player's opportunity to make a living are upsetting.
Never bashed him for going a making a living. I am happy he has the opportunity to go pro and make a living. I simply stated my opinion where I thought he could benefit from another year of learning to run better routes and get open.
I'm not salty about him leaving early. It's quite rude of you to assume that my opinion is me being salty and not actually caring about his future. I think there is a good chance he won't be drafted.. remember George Farmer from USC? I think if he came back he would have the ability to craft his game so that he could get drafted as high as the second or third round and finish with his degree.
Yes practice squad players make very solid money.. for a short period of time. Then he's left with no degree and out of the NFL. He could make a solid career in the CFL but that isn't sustainable either.
I am not blaming him or faulting him saying he did something morally wrong. I don't know his family situation.. maybe they are in dire straits. I just think it isn't in his best interest.
"Thank them for their contributions and wish them well as opposed to giving us a hot take draft projection with all the reasons why they aren't ready."
Don't tell other people what opinion to have because their opinion will become effyoulou
Good Luck Jalin!
I can't help but think he is leaving a lot on the table in terms of room for improvement and having the chance to be a feature of the offense next year.
Totally. He could've done some real damage if he stayed another year--especially if Urban makes good on his promise to bring more balance to the offense. Can't fault him for taking his shot, though.
This is a bit surprising. Hopefully he can get drafted by a good organization and flourish at the next level. The young guys will have a lot of opportunity to step up next year.
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First Apple, now Marshall.
Actually, I know. It's an extremely successful program, that the sc UM faithful dream of having.
Bo Schembechler: Student of Woody;
Gary Moeller: Player for Woody;
Lloyd Carr & Rich Rodriguez: Owned by Tressel;
Brady Hoke: Owned by donuts;
Jim Harbaugh: Owned by Urban to the tune of 42-13.
Thanks for the memories, Jalin. Buckeye Forever!
Now go Wow 'em in the NFL!
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Just think of all of the extra scholarships we will have now for crootin'
Some of you have done a great job of keeping the rest of us calm. Now I'm starting to lose my sh*t again!!! :-) Voice of reason...I need you.
Just remember that Urban Meyer is the head coach, and has recruited almost everyone on the team
"Man I wish everyone stop saying I beat a kid in the hospital 91-35.... It was 98-35, had 91 with 1:26 left in the 4th"
Cam Johnston is coming back.
Well thank heavens for that!! :-)
We lost a lot of good players two years ago as well. The following season turned out pretty well.
Urban seems to operate best as the underdog. Even though a lot of players a leaving, it just means more opportunities for the young guys to show how good they are. They will be hungry to prove they are just as good.
"best as the underdog"
Chop it down with the edge of my hand
All I would say to you Rod is this, take a few minutes & look at the roster. Think about the names that are moving up the depth chart & how talented these players were coming out of High School & into the program. Finally, remember that they will have a QB that is cool like the other side of the pillow leading them on the field, keeping them calm at all times.
I am excited for these young men that have decided to take the plunge into the NFL waters & hope I hear their names, see their highlights for years to come. I am, however, equally excited for the next group of young players that have been working hard, sharpening their skills as back-ups and are now going to have the chance to look into the mirror and say, "my time is now! My opportunity is now! It is time for me to go out & prove to the world what I can do!"
Go get'em young Bucks!
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Cardale leaves, we got JT
Zeke leaves, we got Curtis
Powell leaves, we got Erick
Lee leaves, we got Booker, Hillard, Baker and more!
Apple leaves, we got Lattimore (and I really like how quickly Ward has grown as a true freshman)
Jalin leaves, we got Dontre and DeMario McCall.
In some cases it will be curious if OSU skips a beat but in others it will actually be an upgrade in talent! I wouldn't worry, many are moving on because they know the next guy coming up will handle the position just fine.
and there is always Urban Meyer!
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Great Post SM
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Indeed some good call outs SM. We cannot forget about the impact Noah Brown was destined to make this season too...it has been postponed one year, but you have to wonder if Jalin took that into account too. Good luck to these men in their NFL pursuits!
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Squirrel got the nut. Well said.
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Tom Herman leaves, we got Tim Beck.
Underrated comment, this one.
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good point but Ed Warriner is no slouch.
plus that is last year, we are talking about changes this year. So really it would be Tim Beck leaves, we got...
Sucks like crazy but I wish him the best going forward. Nothing but love for the kid.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
Best of luck, Jalin. Been a lot of fun watching you play!
I love Jalin, but think this is a very bad decision. He needed more polish as a WR before he could be considered a high draft pick, IMO. He made some big plays but also had a tendency to fumble (a lot) and disappeared in way too many games. Best of luck, JM, but I don't think this was the right move. We will see.
While I don't completely agree with this decision, his fumbling tendencies in this thread have been exaggerated. I would've said it last year, but not this year.
He showed a much more steady hand this year as a positiive. On the negative......he did not take a single punt to the house this year and had plenty of chances.
Bottom line....whether due to $$ hardship or simply the feeling among these young men they have been to the mountain top and have nothing left to play for, they have left the door wide open to kids who truly want to start or continue their college career as Buckeyes in the coming season.
Nobody can say that in 2016 the Buckeyes had a team littered with players who were afraid to get hurt with the NFL draft waiting. For that alone, this should be a hungry team, albeit an extremely young one.
I don't know, he usually had the two years where he had a game where he fumbled three times a game. I think Minnesota previously and IU this year. Not sure what was up with that but he was sure handed otherwise.
I disagree to a point. teams carry a lot of receivers on their roster. why not make the minimum which will be $450k next year and work on your game?
That makes a lot of sense IF he makes a roster. I don't know how deep the Draft is at receiver this year. Just because there's a lot of people on here who thinks he will make it doesn't mean he will. I get a kick out of all the people on here who think they're NFL talent evaluators lol
Austin Spitler lasted 3 years with the dolphins just for special teams, remember him? I have no idea how he missed that block against LSU, lol
As someone who was born in in 59 I've seen several NFL players who made me scratch my head but that doesn't mean Marshall will be one of them. Obviously I hope he does I just don't understand why everyone automatically assumes he does. I've seen some damn fine players come out of Cbus not make an NFL roster
The 2016 NFL Draft is set to begin April 30 in Chicago Columbus...
"Defiance in Silence"
His family must need the money. I think his draft stock would have been helped greatly by another year. Best of luck Jalin! You were instrumental in the championship run last year!
I believe there is truth to this statement. I know the neighborhood he is from I have family that lives there, and.. yea..
Fortune favors the bold.
I'm in Sycamore so i know what you're talking about. When i was in high school i went to Mtown a few times for bball and fball games
whats a michigan?
why is he poor? because hes black????
On a serious note I agree he needs a little more seasoning. An extra year as the go to guy(assuming thomas leaves) could do him wonders. Good luck Jalin!
I think he is like a Golden Tate in the NFL a smooth runner that kind of goes with the flow of a tackle (rather than hunch and cover up) which is why think most of us got nervous when he fielded a punt. He never seemed to protect the ball.
Good luck Jalin!
Side note/Question: Do you think this is a Red Shirt backfire round 2? When we said we don't intend on red shirting and we did. Forgive me if i'm off target. I congratulate these guys and really appreciate what they have done for our team. Go Bucks!
I seem to recall that Marshall's 2013 redshirt was due to an injury holding him back, not too different than what happened with Weber this season.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
Jalin almost was off the team. Playing his freshman year was never going to happen.
I will miss the adventure it was returning punts lol
"To The House"
was like watching a 9 year old all hopped up on mountain dew @ chucky cheese, lol
nice imagery, AwlinBrutus
I suppose we will end up with a nice recruiting class. There only thing that concerns me with all the early exits is depth for next year. We should be fine at WR and H-back - as long as people don't start going down in spring with broken legs and what not.
I am seriously concerned about next year's depth. The 2-deep is going to have a LOT of new faces.
There were a lot of new faces in 2014. Not saying to expect another UNDISPUTED season, but just saying.
They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.
i think we will be fine. its going to be a big motivator for the coaches imo. just like when Braxton reinjured his shoulder 10 days before our first game. at first i was on the ledge. but the more i thought about the more i got excited because it was going to be a challenge for TOSU coaching staff and that we would see the coaching staffs best effort. in 2015 we pretty much had the whole offense coming back which i think gave the coaching staff a false sense of security. i don't think the staff slacked off but i also think having a deep and veteran team returning prevented us from seeing the coaching staffs best effort.
Let's see teams negatively recruit our WR depth chart now.
Who advised him that this is in his best interest?
I think there's a little group-think going on. I am surprised by both Jalin and Tyvis declaring but it comes down to where their hearts are. Hearing Decker's comments on next year's team being a hungry team is the silver lining in all of this.
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next. man. up.
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I'll always remember him for making some big 3rd down catches in the Bama game.
Good luck at the next level young man
Kid was SUPER clutch in the CFP. Had a huge 2nd 3rd down conversion in the Natty game, too
This is a head scratcher to me, but best of luck to him.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Good luck 17! Don't let anybody 'hold you' back at the next level...
Nick one Mock.
The fact that he made such a good play on that ball was insane. If he was not held it would have been a perfect TD pass in stride.
I've never said I 'hate' anyone because that would imply I had any emotion for them whatsoever.
Hopefully this gives Dontre Wilson the chance to show what he can do, if he is healthy. Lots of talent out on the perimeter but little experience.
I was thinking the same thing. I really like Dontre and hope he gets nice touches next year. Didn't he get targeted once in the Fiesta?
IF he can stay healthy. He has shown glimpses but I am still not convinced he can make it long based on health. Not that I wish it on him at all, but he has had a rough go of it.
Can Beck declare for the NFL draft?
Yes, however, he would go undrafted.
Hope things work out for Jalin. I have to admit that I'm a little shocked that his NFL grade was high enough to compel him to leave early. In any event, next years team will be very different and many younger players will be competing for starting AND back-up positions. I think there is plenty of talent on the roster, but the lack of experience will make things very difficult......especially the first few games.
The degree of difficulty should help the coaching staff get their attention during off-season preparations.
Gonna be a very Scarletty draft... =)
But on the other hand, is anyone else as pumped as I am to see Dontre take some reins... Dude is a break-a-way touchdown in a bottle... Could be a huge year for him and Samuel!
I wish the real world would just stop hassling me...
I agree, with his zero breakaway TDs in 3 years Dontre has been bottled up pretty good. Maybe he does finally bust loose next year. I sure hope so.
You sir, win.
11 TD's is much more than I realized. The stats will help him, and I'm sure he'll have a great pro day. Needs more polish at WR but I think he can do it.
I almost feel sad for Jalin in a way. Seems like he is getting bad advice.
Think back, take away Indiana in which he scored 4 tds I believe, I can only think of a handful of other decent-to- good games. Most of the time we were wondering if he could hold onto the ball. Best of luck #7.
I wanted to add that I don't mean this in a negative way. By decent-to-good games I am looking at big or important plays or statistics, not necessarily blocks or other pieces of the puzzle.
I didn't even consider that Marshall would possibly declare. Really surprised that all these kids are leaving so early! I am not going to begrudge anyone for wanting to fulfill their dreams, but man....i think they some of these kids are really jumping the gun. Would not be surprised to see Marshall go in the later rounds. Same with Tyvis. I think another year would have really helped. But hey, I am just a guy sitting in front of a computer.
Good luck guys!
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His game reminds me of Doug Baldwin from the Seahawks.
Not even close. Baldwin is an over the middle crisp route runner with good hands more in line with an Edelman kind of guy. I think absolute best case scenario for him is Dexter McCluster.
The offseason is the longest season.
A little surprised by this but I can see it. Best of luck to him
Actually a little surprised by this one.. Round projections? I can't imagine he would go higher than 4 or 5.. he's pretty small for the NFL.
Antonio Brown, Odell Beckhan Jr, Edelman, and most other slot receivers in the NFL disagree with you. Height doesn't matter.
I wish Jalin the best and hope he gets drafted by the right team first and foremost. He has the talent already, with good hands, speed, agility, and confidence. Jalin believes in himself. How many times did he bring in a catch over a CB, across the middle, or run into a pile on returns and make something out of nothing. The dude has great instincts. He just needs to refine his route running and blocking, and continue to improve his ball security. Best of luck to all our our future star Buckeyes entering the NFL. Dominate the league, Buckeyes. Give it your all and success will follow. Go Buckeyes!!!!!!!
Being able to catch AND hang onto the ball does....
Hopefully he's drafted. I wish him the best. Realistically he's 5-10, 200 lbs, will run around a 4.55 - 4.62 40, and didn't play in a very NFL friendly passing offense (limited route tree), but he's a talented player. Just have a hard time seeing him going before the 5th round, but I'd love to be wrong.
This is why I always tend to believe 99% of Ohio State football rumors that come about. People acted shocked when it was said that Apple and Marshall were both going to leave early, but I figured it was probably true. Where there's smoke there's always fire.
Nostradamas Birm has been 100% spot on so far. I half-expect to see the Hurry-ups in the form of quatraines, soon. Based on that - Bell and probably Thomas will declare within the next day or so -
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers
He's 5'11 205 and I've heard his 40 time as between 4.4 and 4.55. He ran some impressive routes last year and made some impressive catches. This year the passing game was chaotic with QBggedon, injuries, and Beck in the box. He was close to 500 yards for the year, splitting time with Braxton and Samuel and missing a game. He could go anywhere from 3rd to 7th, but I bet he's drafted. This isn't a strong WR class like the last couple. The NFL is going to have to take what they can get.
Can someone jog my memory about whether 2012/13 was one of our best recruiting classes? I just can't remember losing so many stars at once but admittedly could be mistaken.
Rod - I only checked 1 site, but they are all generally somewhat similar. Per Rivals our 2013 class was rated #2 nationally.
Appreciate the info.
Well shit... good luck Jalin!
Damn, I was really excited to have him back next year. Didn't think he'd leave so early and we could definitely use him.
Best of luck to him! Make plays and get that money!
We've been telling you guys for a month now that this was coming. You think we're guessing?
Discussing numbers game in the Hurry Up this week?
You sure have, Brim. He's basically been the only one you guys were steadfast like "Ahem <cough, cough> he's leaving <cough, cough>"
It almost seemed like his people were going out of their way to throw his name in the mix for possible early declares. Seemingly just days after the MSU loss
Don't worry, some of us have been paying attention, Birm!
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"just a guy, nothing more, nothing less" ~ Some troll then *poof* he was gone
A lot of Buckeyes fans out here hating on this young man for leaving. Please just be a fan and be supportive of this young man chasing his dreams. I hope Jalin kills it on Sundays!
Then they are not fans.....just idiots. I can't say I agree with all of these kids, especially Apple and Marshall. But I damn sure won't hold it against them. None of us has that right.
Looking forward to your NFL highlights, Jalin.
Parris Campbell, Terry McLaurin, KJ Hill and Noah Brown, please report to Coach Smith's office.
Torrance Gibson says hi!
Don't forget TG...I think he will eat next year #RandyMossJR
I think KJ is gonna come in and kill it. We won't be worried about the passing game next year, the RB position or the qb. I'm more concerned about the D-line and Db positions.... But I still have faith in urban.
"If you take no risks, you will suffer no defeats, But if you take no risks, you will earn no victories."
Of all our talented players, this is the one that I thought should stay another year. With that said, good luck Jalin and go be a star in the NFL.
Well said. I appreciate everything Jalin did for OSU and wish him the best of luck in the NFL. However, this is the ONLY one of the declaration that may be a career mistake. None of the other players would go earlier if they stayed another year; Jalin might just have improved considerably. He still looks like a QB converted to a WR sometimes. Another year with more touches than the past two might have improved his stock significantly. Even more importantly than improving his draft stock would be improving the odds he makes a team and contributes right away and makes it to that second contract.
Jim Tressel used to say if you're going to be a first-round pick, go ahead. If not, come back and get better.
Bosa and Zeke, those guys have no reason to come back. But all of this with especially Jalin and Tyvis is ridiculous. Jalin is a super-talented athlete who could've been one of the team's top 2 or 3 playmakers next year. He finally could be in that dynamic offense without having to share touches with Devin Smith or Zeke or Mike Thomas or Braxton. He easily could've become a first-round pick. My guess is he won't go before Round 3. Tyvis, I'm not sure what he's thinking. He just doesn't look like an NFL caliber safety to me.
Both guys could've easily benefited and made more $$ if they stayed one more year. Is there any other conclusion to draw other than they just don't want to go to school anymore?
More importantly, is this a bad look for Urban and the program that guys are jetting as soon as they can?
Tyvis has his degree. Time to get on with his life. I don't begrudge him that.
Agreed on that. He got his education, let him go forth and do with it what he will. Not getting a degree is something that just irks me on a fundamental level. It's one of the reasons I have a hard time with NCAA basketball. I hate to see the university student-athlete tradition turned into the minor leagues.
Imperium in imperio
There's a hole in that reasoning, though. Regardless of what Tyvis decides he'd like to pursue as a next step in his life, the goal of college for anyone is typically to leave having positioned yourself best for that chosen next step.
In other words, if his career choice is whatever his degree is in, then he's ready for it. He has his a degree. He completed the necessary work to prepare him for success.
However, his career choice is professional football. So if that's where he's going to direct his effort and passion, it's in his best interest to use his college career to position himself the best way possible for a successful career in professional football. In his case, I think most would agree he could use another year playing on the collegiate level to do that.
Let's say Tyvis is business major and not a football player. Let's say Tyvis has had an internship for the last 3 years. He's good at his job working in business. Maybe he's not the best in the world at it, but he's OK. He's making very little money as an intern, like $10/hr.
A large, well-known, reputable organization wants to give Tyvis the chance to work for them before his degree is done. They tell him he can get a degree, and they will pay for it...and they will pay him handsomely for his work in their company. Tyvis is offered $80,000/year in salary.
Would any of us really tell Tyvis not to take this job?
I think quite the opposite on a bad look on Urban. Come to Ohio State, be a star and go to the pros as soon as you can. You would think the big time recruits would like that.
I do agree with what Jim Tressel said.
Indeed, play on a good team, get the scouts checking you out and potentially play in the big leagues. Does not seem bad to me. The reason they are leaving is not because they cannot stand Meyer. About every guy you hear says he is a stern guy but very caring about his guys and that shows when he talks about them too.
The only downside is the kids who leave too early and don't make it at the next level for that reason. Naturally, I'm hoping for the best - but Jalin is in a completely different set of circumstances than Joey or Zeke, for instance -
I think Tressel's advice was good at the time, but began making less sense after the NFL created the rookie salary cap. Being draft in the 1st Round is no longer the financial windfall it used to be. So even if someone stands a good chance of playing himself into the 1st Round with another collegiate season, the potential benefit no longer outweighs the cost -- i.e., additional injury risk and forgoing one year of potential earnings in the NFL.
And the answer to the question of whether it's a bad look for Urban Meyer depends on how you define "bad look." I think the primary goal for most of the players that are considering Ohio State Football is to someday play in the NFL. If that's true, then I think this will be very appealing to recruits. Now, with that said, I do think Meyer goes out of his way to educate these young men in several areas unrelated to football -- such as the career days he has created.
I agree w/ Tressel's advise, but like you I see where holding out for that 1st round $$ is no longer the smartest move. IMO if a guy is projected to go in rounds 1-3 he should go. If it looks like it's going to be round 4 or later then you should come back unless your personal situation absolutely mandates you take whatever $$ you can get.
The risk of injury looms to greatly for a youngster that could make some serious $$ as a 3rd round draft pick. I know I don't make 3rd round draft pick $$ & if I had the opportunity I wouldn't risk a career ending injury in order to try and get 2nd round $$. I'd take the 3rd round $$ & smile all the way to the bank.
Don't believe everything Tress said. ...Ask the NCAA
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ah man, he hit me with the "hmm" emoji LOL. I was actually acknowledging them being onto something with Jalin, since at the time I hadn't heard anything at all about him in mock drafts.
E.Seger, we bow down to you!
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My only complaint is when they leave without getting a degree. It just flies in the face of the whole philosophy behind being a student-athlete. The NFL isn't my thing, but I hope he finds success wherever he winds up.
If he were an archeologist should he stay in school if he were offered a spot digging up dinasaurs or tombs?
how about if Pfizer was offering him millions to develop pharma for them? Should he say "wait guys wanna take these useless art credits to finish my degree"
1) Yes, because all archaeologists have to have a baseline education to be considered archaeologists. If he already has that degree then there would be nothing holding him back and he would/should go for it.
2) Again, not sure Pfizer would be asking anyone without a degree to do much pharamceutical development for them. These examples are very different than a student-athlete leaving to go wear spandex professionally.
I'm not saying anyone has to stay or do anything. I'm just pointing out that for me personally, leaving your free education before getting a degree just feels like a waste.
You do realize they can finish their degree any time, right?
A friend of mine once dropped out of college after his freshman year because a company in Cleveland offered him a job with a good starting salary in his field. He was laid off after a few months and never went back to school.
So the short answer, is stay in school. However, for scholarship athletes, the school will often honor your scholarship if you choose to return in the future, so there isn't a ton of risk to leaving early. Conversely, there is risk to staying, where you could be injured, etc, and then never regain the opportunity in the NFL.
He received an education. I don't think going to college means that you have to get a degree. It should mean that you prepare yourself to make a living and help others. Degrees are pointless unless you apply the knowledge.
Although there are pointless degrees given by colleges, having a degree today is unfortunately, the minimum benchmark most companies use to vet employee candidates.
Why? Because many years ago, an employee of Duke energy sued the company for requiring passing grades on aptitude tests that the Supreme court, in their wisdom, decided were racist because....well you can read it for yourself.
I get the line of thinking, but you can always go back to school for the degree later on...
You can also always come back to school when you've got two years left of eligibility to possibly improve your draft stock, but eh... I never fault guys for leaving early not knowing their personal circumstances. School will always be there, an opportunity to play in the NFL will not be.
I guess I'm just stodgy on this topic. I'm not faulting anyone or anything, I just hate to see the student side of student-athlete get neglected.
Has anyone ever actually gone pro with years of eligibility left and then come back to play them out? I honestly haven't heard of that happening before.
You cant come back and play once you get paid. What people are saying is that plenty of athletes do return to school and receive their degree.
Yeah, I agree. Although if they get a career ending injury in the NFL, they can still come back and get their degree. IF they get a career ending injury that final year in college, their NFL career is over before it starts.
I would like to see scholarships set up so that the athlete has ten years post college to come back and earn his/her degree. That final year would be paid for(I don't know for sure what to do with basketball) as part of their scholarship given for athletics. IF they don't come back despite being able, then they owe their scholarship back to the University scholarship fund. If they do come back, no charge for that final year to earn their degree.
I can really get behind that idea.
i was slightly disappointed but then I realized he plays the deepest position on the roster.
Good luck man, maybe he gets picked up by BB and gives tom another target next year.
can he rescind his decision to turn PRO? this one is not a wise decision. not sure who, in the right mind, would advise him to turn
pro and not be drafted or at best, very latter rounds. He could easily stay and show more in college for 1-2 years and get a higher draft &
I don't get this decision at all, other than unjustified ego - perhaps watching other team mates turning pro just got to his head?
Well, we will have a lot of new faces starting for our team next year.... glad JT is back at QB - that should stabilize the youthful team a bit.
Usually not. it has to do with giving up amateur status, signing agents and so on and so on. There is a window but I am not aware of anybody taking that one.
I don't know why anybody is shocked Birm has said all along - he gone. I wish the young man the best of luck at the next level, I remember when Hartline declared for the draft there where a lot of OSU fans that thought he had made a big mistake. It worked out pretty well for him and I think it will workout for Marshall as well.
Going to miss 17
The comparison with Hartline is inadequate IMO. Hartline was more polished with the necessary skill sets and was more of a consistent target for Boekman, especially considering Hartline did not and probably never will have Jalin's freakish athleticism. Instead, Hartline compensated with sound fundamentals. Frankly, Hartline was more ready to make his jump to NFL than Jalin at this point.
From a football standpoint, with an extra year in college, it would be more beneficial for him in order to become a more well-rounded & polished receiver for the next level. With Jalin, there is no deny of his raw talent & athleticism. The instinct is there but the same can't be said when considering the skills it requires to be an elite WR. Areas of need for improvement for him, to name a few, ball security, route running & separation. He is dangerous with the ball in his hand, albeit his well-documented fumbling issue, and he is fast enough to beat 1-on-1 corner at times. But the skill set to get yourself in the position to be open consistently is still somewhat lacking. THAT is what I think with another year in college could help him to perfect his craft.
With all being said, I wish Jalin a successful professional career and will always cheer our Buckeyes on on Sunday.
*A poster below has provided an insight into Jalin's decision making process. It appears that ultimately his decision is more related to his lack of interest in the academic side of college football than anything else. If that's the case, he absolutely made the right choice to move on even though it is a shame that he couldn't take full advantage of and to get the most out of the free ride to college.
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Ohhh no!!.... He better plug his phone in that 18% will go fast
Anyway not surprised here but definitely not so sure about this. Best of luck
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I would be shocked that he got drafted higher than 4th round. Decent slot guy, but he never ran with that sudden burst.
I hope I get proved wrong and he gets drafted very early.
Kid will make a NFL roster. I believe he will be drafted. Why else would he leave? Jalin must have gotten a favorable draft review. Happy for the kid and all that have declared. I feel some might need a little or a lot more seasoning but if the iron is hot....let them strike. I think fear of what happen to Cardale and him losing a lot of money last year might have help with all the underclassmen jumping ship so to speak. Good luck men. NEXT MAN UP!
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Come on Thomas. what are you waiting for ?
I was hoping he would stick around to be sort of the leader of the group of WRs really. I know Thomas is sort of on the fence but he is the one with the best NFL prospect if you want to be honest. Unless he really just enjoys college and wants to play that year. Good for him if he goes that way though.
Good luck to Marshall, I have to imagine he will not be a super high pick though. Given that WR is generally a position with all sorts of talent each year in the draft. He is a solid guy but has work to do at route running and consistency.
Good luck....next man up....
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He's an exceptional athlete, great return man, and an okay receiver. I wish Jalin the best, but above everyone else, it certainly appears he would have benefited most by returning to school.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
"on the field" find this shocking. He would have been the #1 weapon with a veteran QB and could have put up crazy stats helping him move from a late round/undrafted guy to middle rounds.
But no clue what his life/family is like off the field so he may need to start "earning" today.
Wish him the best...
holy shit our offense is going to be young next year. good thing we have jt at the helm. jt to curtis all day
Marshall is a beast so I think he will do just fine in the league. Kid is tyna get that paper so I can't blame him for leaving. Who's next Vonn, Mike?
Bad form. Eric has some growing up to do.
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I like the trash talk by Eric. The 11w staff deserves more credit.
This is a bad move on his part. He's not an established receiver and not a dangerous punt returner ( I'm thinking of Devin Hester who wasn't established in a particular position but who was a legit threat as a returner or Tyler Lockett this year for the Seahawks). If he returned he had an opportunity to be OSU's #1 receiver ( assuming Mike Thomas left, which seems almost a certain) with an established qb ( JT). That could have meant more targets, more catches, more big plays, and more opportunities to showcase that he could transition from a marginal slot player to a player who could make plays in a variety of ways. I see him as a 5th round type guy at best because this is only judging him against himself and not against all the other receivers who will be coming out.
Don't really see where everyone is expecting Jalin's stock to go after this season. He's a high floor low ceiling kind of guy for me. At best he's a 2nd-4th rounder. He's a possible punt returner and H-back in the NFL, his natural athleticism and effortless movement will help him become a better route runner in the league. I like his hands more than most, not the most dependable, but I think he has natural hands that will get better. IMO I dont think his ceiling is as high as we want it to be, not trying to take anything away from him because he played his role PERFECTLY for this team, but if I were to grade him I'm not sure theres anything that he does exceptionally well, just a good, tough, versatile ball player. Would have definitely helped this team next year and i think thats where everyones strong opinions are coming from, but I don't see where another year in college benefits Marshall enough for him to risk return and injury. If he wants to master his craft of a slot guy then go to the league and begin to make your name. If he wanted to pad his stats to maybe guarantee a 2nd round pick then I guess he should have came back to college.
Someone please post a projected depth cart - STAT
His situation on the roster, and the way he's leaving early remind me of Brian Hartline leaving. If Jalin can stick in the league as long as him, it's a slam dunk for him. I hear the money's nice in the NFL...
I have a feeling there won't be too many more redshirts, unless through season long injury. You come to Ohio State and you will play as a freshman from now on.
Yeah..they only played 3 out of this last class...I think as many as 10 might play as true freshmen next season..
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
There will always be a lot of red shirting going on every year at OSU, IMO. Especially with the talent they keep bringing in.
Made some pretty clutch catches in some big time games (3:40 mark, for example) and is pretty darn slippery. I certainly see the stay-one-more-year argument, but I think we're slightly underrating his talents.
"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."
This one really surprises me... I honestly gave Marshall going pro a very small percentage.
Bad decision...unless he tears it up at the combine. But he may not even get invited. Looks like the NFL day at OSU is going to be very busy this year.
Weber, Samuel and Williams at RB
Samuel, Dontre and McCall at the H
Brown, Mack, Gibson. Hill, Stump, Clark, Campbell, McClaurin at WR..I have to think Gibson stays for good at WR because the lack of depth...but I am intrigued by what Brown. Hill, Mack and Gibson can do...
I can't blame him for this. I would have jumped at the money, too. I just think he would have been much better served to come back for another year.
And Toledo still sucks.
Can't believe none of you have brought up this catch of his.
Don Brown must've attended night school, because he got owned by Day.
Chris Fowler wet his pants on live television calling that play
I will say this. It's going to be one of the more exciting Spring and Summer camps coming up I can remember in quite some time. Lots of open spots up for grabs and lots of opportunities. I honestly can't think back to a time I can remember when there were so many open spots up for grabs.
Edit: That's assuming now both Bell and Thomas are going to the draft. Seem's like a forgone conclusion at this point.
Well we have plenty of room for Corley and Victor and while we are at it toss in Sam Bruce for good measure. Hope Corley still doesn't believe that we have too many receivers. (and whatever other lies Sparty is telling him)
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Yep...and 2017 they will bring in 3 more studs at WR
I think it was known that Jalin was actually one of those guys who didn't come to play school so why not go do what you love and get paid for it is what I say. Best of luck to him I hope he crushes it. Do I think he just cost himself a lot of money (likely drafted much higher next year) absolutely I do but it's his decision and it's his life so more power to him. Once a Buckeye always a Buckeye! Hey Donnie Corley come on down!
Marshall is a risky bet in NFL... Personally I wish him all the best of course, but I just think he could have used another year or two even.
being self confident is one thing and maybe he got a draft review that has him in middle rounds and he wanted to take the chance, but
I just don't see him being anything more than a practice team player.... although I said the same thing w/ Herron and he turned out better than I ever expected. Herron was tough though... Jalin is a bit softy in my view. fumbles 2 much.
good luck as always for any Buckeye
It's been fun watching Jalin and he leaves with some great moments to remember. Best of luck!
I am pretty confused about this one though. Can't imagine him being drafted higher than the 5th round. This was only his first year as a true WR. He has a great chance to make a roster, but he has a much better chance after next year.
He could have been a first round pick if he stayed. Oh well.
Don't think there's any chance he ever could have become a 1st round pick. Sub 5-11 WR without blazing 40s aren't going that high.
Someone will get a good WR for a bargain. I never watched a lot of Golden Tate until he came to the Lions, but Jalin reminds me a lot of him. First and foremost, he has to work on ball security or he won't be in the league very long. But, he has good hands and is dangerous and fearless with the ball in his hands. You put him in the slot on a team like the Patriots or Packers, and good things will happen.
I'd love to know who advised him to leave because this is the one I expected to return, this just feels like a mistake by him IMO, but hopefully it works out
"My idea of a good hit is when the guy wakes up on the sidelines with train whistles blowing in his head." - Jack Tatum
I think another year could have benefited him nicely, but if drafted by a team with a solid QB, I see him being very successful
Crap. Maybe we should just start listing the underclassmen that stayed.
Truth & Courage, 1-17IN, 5/2 SBCT
Good lord! how many players from Ohio State will be available in the draft. 20?
If I'm keeping a correct count, we will now be able to take 59 commits for this class. All your recruitz belong to us
Before anyone takes that seriously and downvotes me into an oblivion...sarcasm font
I agree with those who are saying he would have benefitted from another year at the major college level. Especially, since UFM has publicly stated he's going to have a more balanced offense next season. Jalin would have played a big part in that
There's still a huge difference betweem first round and fifth round money, too. Most of the players who are leaving early made more sense for that reason.
Gotta wish him the best - no matter what, though -
Can't fault anyone of them for taking a shot. Gives us an even bigger recruiting advantage now for early playing time. So we lose 3 olineman, 2 D linemen, 2 linebackers 3 defensive backs (assuming Bell goes), 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 REC, and maybe a punter? 17 - am I right? This could lower our chances to about 85-15% next year to go undefeated.
I am starting to wpnder why such a mass exodus? I hope it is not more than what we see...Good luck to everyone at the next level.
Its not. It should be viewed as a positive.
Are we allowed to blame Beck?
<ponders>...Tim Beck effect?
They file paperwork to get approximate draft position. They know what they're getting into.
Best of luck! Excited to watch all the Buckeyes develop through their professional careers.
Ok Mike and Vonn, you're next to rip our hearts out.
"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War
Congrats to 11W for knowing this was coming.
With that said, bringing up old twitter conversations and comments from people doubting Marshall was going pro is in EXTREMELY poor taste. woo hoo you guys knew something we didn't and get to rub it in our faces now. Expected better from this crew.
PLEASE make this stop!!!
The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced
Great Route Runner: NO
Great Hands: NO
Great Size: NO
Great Speed: NO
Great Production: NO
This is more than just a "head scratcher"
I love Jalin and he has made a few big plays for us but this is just mind boggling IMO
I disagree with you on hands and speed. I always thought Marshall had some of the best hands on the team. Dude made some great catches during his time here. He seems pretty quick to me too. I really wish he was staying.
He made some great catches but also had some head scratching drops. He made key third down catches against Alabama in the playoff but also dropped a td pass.. he made that crazy catch against Oregon but also had one bounce off his hands and become a pick. Great hands means consistency not just making circus catches. He is quick but not fast(for a 5'11" WR in the NFL). He won't run faster than a 4.5 and he may run as slow as low 4.6s. He has the "potential" to be a solid slot WR and returner in the NFL but his game needs too much work and his physical attributes won't have the wow factor to get him drafted in the top 4 rounds.. and I'm afraid there is a good possibility that he will go undrafted.
George Farmer of USC made a similar decision.. ran a 4.35 at his pro day, and still didn't get drafted
now to lighten the mood a bit:
— Joe Boggs (@joeboggs1) January 4, 2016
Did anyone else laugh out loud when they heard this? Jevan Snead Syndrome or something. I wish the kid well and everything, but come on, someone is giving him some bad advice.
Excellent name to bring up!
With all the talk of mock drafts and the "draft advisory board" in this thread its worth remembering Jevon Snead was mocked in the first round often, got a 4th round draft grade by the board, and proceeded to go undrafted and not make much money.
Powell has his diploma, and he wants to test the NFL waters.
Marshall can make it if his approach is to be a hard working 365/24 football professional.
For selfish reasons, I wanted them all to come back.
Best of luck to him.
Now I'm totally pumped to see Dontre become that superstar we've all been waiting for. Stay healthy... Please!!!
I know that many of us believe that given an extra year of "seasoning" and "polish" that Jaalin would have substantially increased his draft position for 2017. However, the biggest knock on Jaalin I believe, is that he is not a classic speed burner at his size, only running a 4.5 40 yard dash as opposed to something in the 4.4 range for someone of his small'ish stature. A year from now, he is not going to be any faster, and probably isn't going to be any bigger.
He will absolutely have better numbers next year, as he would have had a more prominent role in the offense. But gaudy numbers do not necessarily translate into higher dollars in the NFL. He could have come back, had a great year, and still found himself as a small'ish guy with average speed who the NFL does not necessarily covet. He has decided that today is the best opportunity for him. He has decided that he will either succeed or fail, and that if he ultimately does fail, he would have failed too, a year from today.
I fully support his decision because of the incredible memories that he has given us.
I full support his decision because he is a BUCKEYE.
It's hard to say. I think Marshall is an example of a player who might have been able to improve his draft stock by coming back, because it's pretty clear he's still learning his position, and the NFL can be impatient with that sort of thing unless you have unreal physical ability (Terrelle Pryor) or are on a team that can afford on-the-job training (uh, Terrelle Pryor).
I wish him well, but I'm a little worried about this one.
As far as Marshall, or any other kid going early, get a freaking grip. Unless you are their family, you don't know squat about what went into their decision, and it is not your place to say anything other than "best of Luck". People on here complaining about his personal choice only he can make, and saying "he should stay", and then turning around in the same comment and cracking on him for "how bad he runs a route, scary to watch punt returner blah blah". If that is how you feel, shouldn't you be glad he is going? Like Thank God you don't have to be burdened by having to watch him anymore, taking 4 second half touchdowns to the house against Indiana during the title run when literally no one else would step up and get it done.
Best of Luck, Jalin!
"Throw a slant."
Big difference in saying that someone sucks and that someone isn't ready for pro ball. Steve Bellisari sucked, most people here agree that Marshall's game just isn't ready for the NFL level yet.
Heard he was upset with the offense and tired of school. Would rather go undrafted than stay.
What a brilliant career path, then .... Get the degree, because the only NFL he'll see next season is from the stands or his big screen television .....
I haven't seen too many players who are ready to play at the NFL level after only two years of collegiate experience. Some of these guys are beginning to believe their own press. No further comment here, but the odds are against these kids jumping to the NFL with only two years of college under their belt.
Good luck kid...
But, wtf?! He has good hands, speed for the NFL, I dunno... he won't be at the combines? wtf...
I can't blame any kid for doing everything they can to get to the NFL and earn NFL money as soon as possible in their life. As soon as possible !!
BUT, I also see every year guys from many teams that either don't get drafted, or are drafted so low that they are very expendable in the event they do not get a chance to stand out early in the preseason. Many never getting another shot.
Im not saying that's going to happen with any of our guys that have declared early, but I do believe that tho it's clear they are great athletes, they have not established themselves as a NFL quality player at any position.
I feel guys like Jalin Marshell is on the path to establishing that he is a NFL quality WR, but he is far from having accomplished it. Because of this I think they put themselves at risk of very short NFL careers. Something that becomes much less likely if they stayed 1-2 years ( whatever it takes) to have truly shown everyone that they are developed nod ready to play at the NFL level.
look at it this way, do you remember what Clemsons Sammy Watkins did to Eli Aplle and all our DB's last year ? Well is Eli Apple " ready" to face a Sammy Watkins receiver every weekend ? And actually win those battles ?
I think one day he might be, but he isn't today. I think 1-2 more years t OSU and he may be, but because he is vulnerable to getting exposed he could be tossed aside if he has 5-6 plays that he gets beat. This is especially true if he goes in the late rounds when teams are not financially forced to stick with him. Guys like Apple, and Marshall are at risk of this type of thing happening.
Now guy like Darron Lee, who will go in the top 3 rounds, he will have. Spot on a roster no matter how bad things might go early on. Gems will have to much invested for one, and secondly he has established himself as a player.
"If you don't have something nice to say, then say nothing at all"
I wish I had the time and patience to read all of these expert opinions and prognostications.
I think it's great so many of these young guys are declaring early. It simply means there's more room for more great players.
Go chase your dreams young men! Ohio State will still be here with arms open to give you the opportunity to further your academic goals when your NFL career is over (if you haven't already received your degree). Your body will only be in peak physical condition for so long. Go get paid to play the game you love.
Noooooo! My avatar says it all. Insane. Obviously only he knows the rationale, but he's missing out on very significant playing time. Not only would he get significant game experience but would do it while being the focus of the defense. That is truly invaluable.
I agree with you, but folks are allowed their opinions. I think we're all freaking out a little since we're going to be seeing so many many untested young Bucks out there, when we all see a real OOC test looming in game 3. The more folks leave, the more uncertainty there is. It used to be that someone had to have "lights out" numbers in order to declare early. Now, we're seeing guys leave because they have achieved their goals, ie, winning a NC. They may not have world beater numbers, but many are declaring on potential and not necessarily production. That makes me nervous. Not for me, but for them. Not that it matters to any of them, but personally, I care about these guys, and I hate to see any of them make a mistake. What are the chances that all of them are long term NFL stars? Not likely, and in retrospect, with some of them, we may look back and wish they'd stayed for their own sake. I'll shut up now! Sorry for the long reply.
"Wake me up when it's all over"
I always hope that all Buckeyes are very successful in the NFL but keep your eyes open because one or more might be a manager at the gas station in 3 years......That would be those who didn't work too hard in class because they are gods gift to football.
Good luck Jalin! we'll miss ya'...
16-2 is SWEET!
I heard there is a redshirt walk-on also leaving early for the NFL.
Late round at best, but since everyone is leaving he won't look as good next year.
I hope he does well, but I am with the others that don't really get this one. He drops and fumbles more often than he makes a play it seems to me. The ability is there, certainly, but the production and reliability are big question marks I think. Unless he feels like he will surpassed on the depth chart next year, I don't see how he feels now is the time to make this jump. Best of luck I guess.
It's sad how some of you guys can talk bad about a kid they don't even know.Who knows what our players are capable of if they was the only go to guy on a team..Many playmakers could've been all Americans on other teams.Jalin will do fine.Hey look at Stefan diggs he was a late rounder and having a great rookie season with the Vikings.Be happy for Jalin.Most of these comments are selfish just because you guys feel he should return we don't know his situation..Good luck Jalin
Good luck Jalin. We will miss you.
This wasn't about football at all. Jalin and college didn't fit. It was an extreme struggle from day one. Great family and a great kid but academics and individual responsibilities with that were often a MAJOR struggle. Freshman year Jalin was redshirted because of maturity and academic issues, not really the concussion as stated.
There was virtually no chance that Jalin ever stayed in college beyond 3 years.
Mahalo for the inside tidbit on Jalin.
BTW what is it in your moniker that Germaine wasn't? And Aloha welcome to 11W.
JoeGermaineWasn'tAGinger... A stupid inside joke between myself and another guy I graduated with. He argued vehemently that Germaine was a ginger and I fought for fair skinned/brown haired.
Wish him all the best, but this kind of reminds me of Bill "Spaceman" Lee's speech when he left the MLB....
Just wondering who gets picked first, Jalin or Braxton ? Both are similar size, Braxton a little bit bigger, both are dynamic playmakers, Braxton probably a little more of a threat. Jalin probably a little better receiver, but Braxton made some amazing catches. But based on what I've seen I see Braxton as a better prospect, and I don't see him going until very late in the draft if he even goes at all.
Good player's make the play's they're suppose to, great player's make the play's they're NOT !!!
Jalin got a better evaluation report than people might believe. Flexibility in playing inside and outside really helped him and he's a dynamic returner. Teams also evaluated the mess of the TOSU passing game overall into his grade. Don't be surprised if Braxton and Jalin go higher than you think.