"Illegitimi non carborundum"
Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.
He's never happy.
Thanks, Coach Beck.
Keep calm. It's only a game.
Absolute garbage! Name me 3 players you'd take over him! Terrible that the NFL will show once again whose more valued..
Joey Bosa ...
Trust me! I'm an Engineer.
It just depends on what the needs of that particular draft team. There's not another running back in the country more ready for the NFL than Zeke and I think he will be the #1 RB taken.
"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
Hope my Giants get him. They haven't had a back with 100 yards in a game all season. They use 4-5 running backs, one for pass catching, one for tough yards, one for pass blocking, one for general failure. Zeke could fill 3/4 of those rolls.
"If the NBA was on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love on channel 4, I'd watch the the frogs, even if they were coming in fuzzy." ~ Bob Knight
All for general failure.
Giants fan as well; the season cannot end quick enough. Reese and Coughlin are gone. Can we get EZE and Bosa?
If there was a way we could get both, and I had to give up a major organ to do it, I'd take one for the team.
Come back and win the heisman elliot.
Heh... if only!
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
He isn't gone yet!
Not surprised. Disappointed, but definitely not surprised. Dude gets no love and might be the most complete running back I've ever seen.
I've never said I 'hate' anyone because that would imply I had any emotion for them whatsoever.
But because he doesn't return kicks and punts means he's not worthy, SMH...Not a knock on McCaffrey just don't see how they only have 3 guys this year! very fluid options all year..
I guess it hurts Elliott that Ohio State has enough athletes that they don't have their starting running back returning kicks. McCaffrey's 11 fewer rushing touchdowns on 57 more carries (and one more game) than Elliott are really impressive, but I guess he does play Stanford football.
yeah, this stanfred thing is really starting to annoy me
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Saw the rules, NO SALMONING allowed in the Heisman House. Clearly this is what it is...
You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever. Urban Frank Meyer
"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa
That's because Remound Wright gets the goal line touches so he can leap over the line, seriously
Then maybe McCaffrey should try scoring from outside the goal line. You know, maybe occasionally take one 45, 55 65, 75 or 85 yds for a TD.
“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt
I was surprised until I realized they only invited three. Dalvin Cook, Baker Mayfield and Keenan Reynolds all got left out too so they went the ultra-exclusive route this year. Still one of the best backs I've seen in all of college football, Buckeye or otherwise!
I love Zeke, but his campaign was killed by 12 carries against MSU. I get the feeling that another Alabama RB will win the Heisman, despite not actually being the best player in the country.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
That's true and if we had won that game we would likely be going to the playoffs the #1 pick and Zeke would be their darling like last year.
I hope Zeke does not see this as a knock on his talent, potential or what he has meant to Ohio State. Anyone with half a brain can see this for what it is - political BS. Zeke has a national championship trophy that he earned by being a team player and by blood sweat and tears. Thank goodness we were able to get in last year so he could shine bright for everyone to see. In 2 years no one will even remember who won the Heisman this year and on Sunday's all of Buckeyenation and whatever town is lucky enough to draft him will get to shout Zeeeeeeke as he scores another touchdown.
Oh i think he'll see it as a knock and a slight. Remember last year emmitt smith tweeting there will be two elite RBs in the sugar bowl and they both play for alabama? Hopefully this slap in the face will be the motivator for him to go zeke mode on ND
Not just his game against MSU. His comments after the game hurt also. It wasn't that big of a deal to me you can bet a lot of the old voters didn't appreciate it. Fair or not a lot of old people think different. I'd be willing to bet they're aren't a lot of voters in their 20's or 30' s (except past winners)
Interesting thought, but I have to disagree with you there. I think the fact that he is not invited is a total joke! No knock on the guys that were invited whatsoever. I think Watson sucks, but I also hate Clemson and think they are going to get absolutely trounced by OU... I digress. Zeke is one of the most dominant players in the country and showed it all year. Every game save 1 in the rain where he didn't get the ball, he had 100+ and a TD. Who cares what he said, he DOMINATED all year in the best conference in football
I agree your performance SHOULD be all that matters but I still believe there are people who would hold that against him. ......The press sure made a big deal of it
The Heismann has been degraded the moment they gave it to Johnny Football. Then they doubled-down by selecting Famous Jameis.
Proper Heismann winners include the likes of Roger Staubach, Archie Griffin, Marcus Marriota.
Think if of me what you will. I think the award is soiled and stained by its recent awardees.
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I agree CB. It really does't mean anything any longer. It's kind of like Coach of the Year.
Couldn't agree with you more - it doesn't mean anything like it used to. If it did, Zeke and Keenan would be #1 and #2.
Agreed - Manziel's continued issues and Jamison's outstanding legal issues are a real testimony to the quality of individual they are handing this trophy to.
You win with people - W.W. Hayes
I understand this is a separate debate. But while we're on the topic, I think it's absurd that a player cannot speak passionately after a loss. They are expected to speak that way after a win, and one guy speaks his mind and everyone flips out.
If they can vote for Cam Newton and Jameis Winston, then they certainly shouldn't hold Zeke calling out the truly awful playing calling against him.
I don't think the MSU game or his comments are the reason he is not invited. I mean if stealing crab legs doesn't stop you from getting it, he should be fine.
He is just not a show boat. Not really ever.
It's just funny the B1G has two of the top four teams, and he is the best offensive player and running back in the B1G and he's not one of the best three players in the country? Hog wash.
Unless you are talking about teenagers, older had very little to do with it. After his comments, I read many upset writers in their 30s-40s picking at his statements. Nothing positive came from his spill and once it landed across the country everyone that pushed for someone else was all over it. While Zeke is complaining that he deserves more, McCaffrey was saying his accomplishment were nothing compared to his teams accomplishments.
Zeke has ALWAYS been the ultimate team guy. Always thanks the Slobs and even took then out to dinner. One emotional please doesn't change three years of being that guy. Zeke wanted that game. Bad. So he was upset...big deal. What player wouldn't be? Especially when said player has already carried this team all season. Grown men who have no interest in something railing on a young man who is fully invested is irrelevant to me. Zeke has always put the team before himself. And if you listenjoy to what he said,,he said the TEAM wasn't put into the right position to win. Context is everything. And takingredients a couple comments out of context might make for a sexy hit piece. But they don't tell the story of a kid who has been nothing but a team first guy his entire career.
Agreed that agendas push comments out of context. Articles were not focused On the TEAM aspects of his comments but rather that he blasted his coaching staff. Completely unfair bit it's the world we live in. It was news and grown men do the news.
McCaffrey or Watson hopefully win. Henry has good numbers, but 'Bama just hands it to him and he's too big to bring down right away. He doesn't have a lot of highlight plays or "moments" like McCaffrey or Watson, or even Elliott. In the past, if they weren't taking Texas Tech or Hawaii qb's too seriously for their 80 pass attempts a game, they shouldn't take Henry seriously when he runs it 40 times a game. Would love to see Henry lose twice this postseason.
I put the The, in The Ohio State Univeristy.
It got killed by a staff infection and three days in the hospital!!!!!!!!!!! Did you not read and SEE THE PICTURE OF HIM ON A HOSPITAL GURNEY(for those who can't read...not naming names here..OOPS)
died, and resurrected
Yeah, we all saw it, and I'm sure it didn't help. However, according to Zeke, he begged for more touches in the 2nd half, but didn't get them. It's not like the staff rested him due to the hospital stay. He was still out there as a decoy/blocker almost every down. I'll still stand by my opinion that if Zeke gets 25 touches and/or they let Brax take at least 1/3 of the QB runs, the Bucks win. The decision to give Zeke 4 touches outside of one drive cost a lot of people a lot of different things. Live and learn, and Go Bucks!
Sorry, Notre Dame. Don't take what he does to you on January 1st too personally.
Yep. Take it out on the Golden Domers Zeke.
First and goal at the five and Arch is getting the ball.
My first thought too. He might go for 300+ if Urban lets him.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
...In the Michael Corelone sense of the phrase.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
Thank you Tim Beck!!
........and Urban Meyer. They absolutely screwed the young man.
Well at least he won't get the jinx at the next level. Still happy to see what he's done the last 3 years.
Man….. this football team.-Jeff Okudah
Cam doesn't look too jinxed at the moment
If you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!
Cam doesn't look too jinxed at the moment.
Funny comment, but I can't upvote anything regarding him.
Well, he did get a head start. He's been playing professional football for one year more than anyone else in his draft class. Auburn boosters paid him enough to help him fix up his dad's church.
Not surprising. He pretty much played 2 games less than everyone else (MSU and no conference title game).
FUCK YOU TIM BECK
Nothing against the trophy, but I don't need some hardware to prove to me that Zeke is the best back in college football..
You're the man, WB28.
What kind of dildo downvotes this? Kick the douche off this site please.
You are also the man, MDB 23.
i wanted to downvote you just to be ironic...
I'm just here to see how many people down vote...
What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.
I came here to say just this. Brilliant my man. And spot on.
He should have been there, but again, back to MSU game, not only did the play calling hurt him, but then he didn't get to play this Saturday, which also hurt him.
Overall, I think he is better (blocking, catching included) than Henry, but he was denied the chances to prove it.
I agree with the second points in particular. I think they are both good runners, but Elliot is honestly better at everything else. But what are you going to do?
Ahh the play calling card. Are you aware we only ran 17 plays in the second half? Are you aware MSU had the ball for 38 minutes? Are you aware he had only 1 run that went for more than 3 yards?
But write your own narrative People need simple explanatuons to explain conplex phenomenom.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Are you AWARE he was in the hospital for three days that week?? If you can't read there is a picture of him on a hospital gurney on this site and he is NOT smiling. Tuesday of the MSU game he said it hurt to stand on it...his leg and he didn't think he could play. I am not sure ignorance or not being very smart fits the bill for blaming the coaches for not ruining oops..running him more vs. MSU
Should've used Curtis Samuel more.
Agree there Turban+1
I dont think you are following the conversation here. Not criticing Zeke in rhe least. I am criticing "blame everything on the play calling guy." But thank you for supporting my point--maybr the staff knew they had to find a plan B because Zeke was not 100%.
LOL. You just wrote your own narrative. Is it the defense's fault that the offense had 5 three and out drives?
Are you aware that playcalling can have an effect on avoiding that?
"Great moments are born from great opportunities." - Herb Brooks
I guess being the most consistent player in college football means nothing. Even when that consistency dominates the field. What a load of horse shit.
I'll echo the earlier sentiment. Bullshit.
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At first I thought that was Tebow.
There will be an angry player and team in Glendale January 1st. Domers gonna get rolled over.
The Heisman has been a crap award for awhile now. Not suprised.
The Heisman has been a crap award for awhile now. Not suprised.
There is no doubt that it is still the top award in college football, however, you make a great point that in recent years it has lost a bit of its luster. From the antics of the 2012 and 2013 winners to the obvious slighting of Braxton Miller two years ago, J.T. Barrett last year and EZE (and Reynolds from Navy) this year, I really don't have much faith in the ability of the Heisman voters to actually evaluate talent and achievement.
I think the trophy has been tainted with STDs and Coke dust ever since Johnny Football got it. Or maybe after Reggie Bush had to give his back - don't even want to think about touching his old trophy. I used to think character was a part of it the decision but not so much anymore. Whatever I think we can all agree the award has lost some of its luster which is sad.
It's the BEST PLAYER, I don't buy. One would imagine that through all the years there would be more than just one best player that was on defense and he played some offense. They should tell it like it is. It's run by offensive stats and winning teams for the most part
if it was the BEST PLAYER then Orlando Pace would have won it in 96.......
Jabari Peppers wins it, then.
If there was ever a player who deserved purely on principle it is Keenan Reynolds. Thing is he deserved an invite on much more than principle. And just not seeing Henry over any one else in the conversation.
You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight.
I'm sure you'd be saying the same thing if he had won.
No. Look how many of the recent winners that weren't worth a crap in the pro's. Also, why does the winner have to be on a good team? You could rush for 5000 yards but if your team is 6-6 you can't win.
That's not a new thing. Heisman winners have never been great in the pros.
YGBSM, what a joke. No Elliot and no Reynolds.
Sad - one bad game and some post game comments probably ripped him off the list! That is the kind of world we live in now with 24/7 communication access...
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Something of a tragedy that he is not a finalist. Did not think he would win but I thought he would be in the top. But at the same time it is not that shocking.
Like our final ranking and bowl game matchup...this is complete shit!!! The best team with the best player will not be participating in the events that recognize that. 3 damn points with time running out.
same thoughts exactly. It wrenches my gut to know that some sub par team is going to hold our trophy and some overweight back that will be Trent Richardson Jr in 3 years will have Zeke's trophy.
"That's one of the best players in America. He should be a Heisman guy."
Says the guy who can't even win B1G coach of the year.
One game ruined it. Needed more carries in that damn game plus stats from a championship game. The mich st game is the gift that keeps on giving.
So McCaffery is an "all-purpose" back, which means he can not only run the ball, but can catch the ball out of the backfield and also be an effective blocker.
No wonder Zeke didn't make the cut.
The Heismans becoming a joke and isn't even relevant anymore
Unless a Buckeye wins it?
They picked one RB, one QB, and one multi-position player. Makes it interesting
They should invite 5 every year. Zeke and Keenan Reynolds should be there.
Better NFL prospect - Zeke or Henry? (all Buckeye bias aside).
Henry to me is one dimensional, not a great pass receiver. But a beast, hard to bring down. But we've seen recent Bama backs become busts (T-Rich and Lacy) Zeke can catch out of the backfield. And his blocking skills are second to none in the nation. Guarantee Zeke goes higher, unless my stupid Browns are involved.
I'd be somewhat concerned drafting Henry knowing the massive workload he's taken on this season. If they are to beat MSU, it'll surely be because he has 30-40 carries, and then probably 30 more in a title game. That's not healthy.
I agree and last week Henry was in the game until the end just to pad his stats.
Well now Satan will have two excuses for losing to MSU. First his Heisman trophy winner is tired and second his NFL draft picks are protecting themselves.
Zeke will be selected before Henry in the upcoming NFL draft.
That speaks volumes on that situation.
"Vision without execution is just hallucination."
Zeke is better, but it has nothing to do with OSU v Bama backs, as I think OSU loses that comparison on the short term.
I would somewhat disagree on your Bama back comment, as one has been an absolute bust, but Ingram has turned out to be very good and TJ Yeldon is playing really well for a rookie. Lacy was a 1000 yard back his first 2 years in the league before having his issues this year. Add to that he is much more established thusfar than Carlos Hyde (and its not like Urban has a long track record with NFL running backs).
Other than that, I agree that Zeke should be the 1st back off of the board.
The hate against Ohio State continues.............First, ranked #7 now this........This team maybe losing a lot of talent this year but it is gaining one big massive chip on its shoulder for next season
Crushed Las Vegas and their 40-1 Odds
Blah blah blah
The coaches will fuck it up anyway.
Tell us how you really feel.
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Speaking of hate ...did you know Jeff Long spent 11 years at scUM...most of those under Bo as football administrator????!!!!!!!! SMELLS!!!!!!!
Manziel won the award. Heisman has become a joke now.
"The future is bright at Ohio State."
"Greater love has no one than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends"
Let's not forget about Jameis Winston and Scam Newton...
Personally, I think they should weigh off the field character in the award. Guys like Eddie, and Archie are the epitome of class. These latest ones not so much.
EZE is going to take this slight out on ND
I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
That's my thought, too, Beat.
I pity the fool Domer who gets in Zeke's way.
Thanks Beck, Meyer and Warriner..
Also pretty shocked about Reynolds.
This is a recurring theme and it's beginning to piss me off...
-Happened to Braxton.
I hate Tim Beck, not at as a person, but I hate Tim Beck! Sighhhhhh........
"Because I couldn't go for three."
I've also been hard on Beck BUT it wasn't just him. Warriner and Urban should share in the blame. Horrible, horrible game plan and calls. Realistically, Zeke was running against a stacked front and the only way to solve that was to open up the passing game somewhat, especially when everybody familiar with MSU knows their defensive weakness is their secondary.
Last year, Gordon had like 2597 yards and 29 TD's. If those kind of numbers didn't impress last year... It's all a popularity contest.
Reynolds getting left out is the other huge omission and evidence for the whole "popularity" contest and as someone said having to be on a "best" team.
I think he didn't get invited because of popping off about the coaches after the MSU loss. He was right but it was a bad look. I think I saw something a couple days after that game that said he went from on everyone's heisman top 5 to off everyone's. I think something similar would have happen to Connor cook if he was good enough to get votes in the first place
Taking $180k to play at Auburn, getting paid for autographs and constantly being a drunken a-hole, and raping a woman are all bad looks. Speaking your mind in the heat of the moment, and doing so in a pretty calm manner, is not that bad of a look by comparison. I find it hard to take these voters seriously if those comments took him off their top 5.
Should have given him more carries. Play calling(lack there of)blew playoff and Heisman all in one game, period!
tim beck deserves a lot of blame for the offense this season, but...
he's not the one that thought hiring taylor martinez's quarterback coach would be a good idea.
the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS
Shhhhhh.......don't say anything like that. You're supposed to bow down and kiss his ass like all of the ex-Buckeyes and local media.
i will say it's only the second decision he's made that i've really had a problem with since he's been at osu, the first being 4th and 2 vs sparty in 2013. that's pretty good for a head coach in four years. he is the best there is, but the best make mistakes too. they just make less of them.
SAME mistake twice. Cost us two wins against Michigan State. Slow learners, apparently. He makes 7-10 MILLION dollars a year, and my trash man is held to higher accountability. The dude fucked his team------MAJORLY.
Everybody makes mistakes including Urban, but a NC and 49-4 record over 4 years does not equate to a slow learner. Good Lord, get real.
Those two are the resident cry babies. Never seen a positive post from either one of them.
The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes
I did not mean BF BTW ... and I should not engage in name calling in any case.
Let's just say if a couple of people left the site I wouldn't complain. I'm starting to think an ignore button might be nice. :P
Maybe you should be a Head Coach, since you know it's so easy and all.
Meyer makes great decisions everyday, his winning percentage overall record and 3 National Championships speaks for itself, but you can't look at the positive, you can only hang on to the negative. Damn that must suck!
This makes no sense to me, the Heisman is all about stats, but let's have a comparison of stats:
Henry: 339 carries, 1,986 yards, 23 TDs, 5.9 YPC, 170.7 YPG (13 games).
Elliott: 262 carries, 1,672 yards, 19 TDs, 6.4 YPC, 135.2 YPG (12 games).
Elliott has 77 less carries, yet is up there with Henry is pretty much every category. Not saying that Henry isn't good, but I would take Zeke over him any day.
Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.
Henry getting 40 plus carries a game could be real damaging however it'll probably get him the hardware.
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
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Yeah, Running Backs' careers are already limited, but giving him so many carries in multiple games before he even takes a snap at the pro level, I can't think that'll favor him come draft time.
Saban ought to feel ashamed of himself, burning all of the tread of that kid. Cut his NFL career in half...
OSU didn't execute and lost to horrible officiating. BOTH things can be true
If you're a college coach, you have to win games, too - how much do you really care about the players going to the NFL?
I know it's a big deal in recruiting, but if I'm Urban, Satan, whatever, I have to win now. Big college coaches don't keep their jobs if they 'rest' players and lose games.
They are beating the crap out of the guy with that many carries, but I can see the other side.
I suppose you'd have to balance "We sent XX guys to the League" vs. "We compete for Natty's"
You win with people
It'll also help saban with recruiting going forward.
Dalvin Cook 211 carries, 1658 yards, 18 TDs 7.9 YPC 150.7 YPG (11 games)
I would take him over Henry
your YPG numbers don't compute.
?? I'm talking about the Henry vs Elliott comparison
?? 150.7 yards per game times 11 games = 1658 yards. I just double checked it.
I was just making a Henry vs Elliott vs Cook comparison is all.
Henry may be in it purely because they are a playoff team.
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Zeke does SO much more for the team than just run the ball - he's had a great to outstanding season as a Buckeye - wouldn't want anyone else in the backfield.
Congrats to Henry for being held under 100 against the Bucks while Zeke ran roughshod through that elite defense for 230 yards. I'll stick with the RB who just happens to be better than the Heisman winner. Good luck on your Richardson Part II gig.
Just a little bit misleading...Henry was a backup and was running down our throats until Kiffin magically decided to stop running the ball.
And yet that's misleading. Yeldon was hurting so Henry was the main guy. Henry had early success with a couple of big runs and then we were putting them in third and long when they tried to bull with him later on so they had little choice but to try to throw to get us off him. If you don't think Saban would have run it down our throats then you don't know him very well.
He didn't really have a chance unfortunately, but this still doesn't sit well with me - knowing all that he went through the week of the MSU game in the hospital. The program waited way too late to get behind this campaign, and when they finally did - the coaches forgot to give him the damn ball.
This kid is an all-timer, and it's really too bad he didn't get the invite. Man am I gonna miss you, Ezekiel Elliott.
The GIANT silver lining in this is it just adds more fuel to the fire. If this season taught me anything, it's that I never want to be the preseason favorite again. I want to see the Bucks come in angry and dying to prove everyone wrong. Since this season is not gonna be the one for us, bring on every snub, critique, and shaft possible. Get Mark May running his mouth again too. Let's polish off ND and come into 2016 pissed the f*** off.
Gotta get back that edge, that "no, fuck you, we'll win NO MATTER what YOU throw at us"
I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.
I Believe In Ohio State.
If I'm ND, I'm forfeiting this game because my kids are going to get hurt bad.
Like it or not, Zeke was never really in the Heisman conversation all year. Just 3 or 4 weeks ago, it seemed like everyone wanted to hand it to the kid from LSU (Fournette). He wasn't invited either.
My point is that we ought not make Zeke's not being invited to the Heisman ceremony a reason to compare or bash the 3 who are among the finalists. I wouldn't trade Zeke for any of them but that surely isn't meant as a slight to them either.
IMO, it would have also been great had Keenan Reynolds been invited to NY. Go Bucks!
Very good point - I felt they had all but shipped the trophy to Fournettes house a few weeks ago. It's like you have to have stats and be hot right at the time they are casting the votes. Maybe the committee happened to watch McCaffertys piano playing ESPN special this week and were moved by it. Wtf knows right? Let's just hope a nice kid gets it and move along.
Eat a bag of dicks Tim Beck
"I didn't get a harrumph outta that guy!"
That slight by the Heisman committee is a travesty. Ezekiel Elliott should have at least been invited to New York, even if he was going to be an also-ran in the balloting.
It's bitter herbs that the Bucks are eating in the CFB wilderness right now.
I stopped taking the Heisman seriously after they gave it to Cam Newton and then doubled down on it later, giving the trophy to Johnny Manziel. Shows that the trophy is no longer what it used to be. Remember, the winner is supposed to be an "outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity."
Remember, the winner is supposed to be an "outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity."
Johnny Manziel as THE example of a Heisman winner that lacks integrity? I think Jameis Winston is a better example. But I get and agree with your point.
"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."
Ah, yes, that's who I meant instead of Cam, but I couldn't remember. I felt like Cam Newton wasn't quite right and forgot about Famous Jameis entirely.
As much as I pulled for Zeke by that metric Keenan Reynolds deserves it both by the numbers and on the principle of the thing.
The Heisman has NEVER been a legitimate award. This goes back to Hornung beating Jim Brown in 1956 at least. Gary Beban winning it. Honestly Archie should not have won 2 Heismans , and Keith Byars should have beaten Doug Flutie. Salaam, Jason White...Leinart beating Adrian Peterson in 2004. Andre Ware and Ty Detmer have Heismans. Eric Crouch and Gino Toretta have trophys too. No defensive player except Woodson has one. I could go on and on.
The Heisman trophy has been a joke LONG before Winston and Manziel. This goes back 60-70 years. Nothing has really changed recently.
I was lucky enough to meet Archie Griffin at a function last week. He told the crowd he is voting for Zeke (although he was not supposed to reveal) and was highly praising him and totally receptive of his post game comments. On another note, I got to take a picture with Archie and felt honoured to shake his hands and now I totally hate Connor Cook.
A shame to see he won't be in New York
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He's hardly a hack. Give credit where it's do...you come off sounded like a jilted ex gf.
Yea, right after you called him a hack. Nice compliment.
Let's see. PAC 12 has 2 teams in the BCS Top 20 and have a Heisman finalist. ACC has 3 in the Top 20 and has a finalist. SEC has 4 Top 20 teams and a finalist. The B1G has 5 teams in the Top 20 and it's Offensive Player of the Year is not even invited to NY. Maybe if we had all volunteered to chip in for airfare they might have added a fourth.
"You either get better, or worse, you never stay the same." Woody Hayes
No huge surprise here. Zeke's college career was gutted along with the fans hopes and dreams against MSU when as a team we choked and mailed in the expectations. We all saw it we just didn't do a body count until now. That night the heart beat stopped and everything was lost.
Amen. Knowing how important that game and the one after it were, we just didn't come to play....or were not prepared as well as they should have been.
Hoping that JT earns his summer scholly back in the desert. Would also like to see Zeke back on punt coverage so that he could solve his anger issues by turning a gold dome into red mist.
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With all due respect to all players involved, including the beloved EzE, Bosa is the best player in the country. 30 years ago he would've won the Heisman. These days it's QBs and RBs only. This award is the most overrated and useless award in college football (these days).
The best team in the country is not in the CPF.
The best player in the country is not a Heisman finalist.
Definitely sucks. But ... if the bucks beat ND and end up with a 12 - 1 record winning a NY6 bowl game the program will stay at an elite status and recruiting will be good. Hope Zeke has his usual great day running, blocking and catching passes, don't get sick a few day before Zeke lol, and he'll leave on a high note. Great kid, what a college career he's had, and he should do great in the NFL.
I blame Notre Dame...
15-1 is SWEET!
If I had a vote, that kid at Stanford would get it.
Agreed. I didn't think Zeke would win, but he deserves an invite.
Mccaffery is badass, though; he deserves it over either of the SEC guys.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
Sparty game hurt. Oh well, JT for Heisman next year!
ESPN has ruined the award. They decide who goes with their heisman watch starting in September. They awarded the damn thing to Fournette in October, then completely switched gears and started the Henry narrative during the game between Alabama and LSU. It was going to the almighty SEC and ESPN made sure.
I knew at some point someone would blame ESPN....never fails.
And yet they did do that. I don't like The ESPN thing much either but the fact is they were consistently pushing those two but Zeke did get some nice comments.
Just one more consequence of the hot mess that was the MSU game. So disappointed for Zeke.
That game killed us in more ways than one.
Yeah well, that is how this season would end. Total nonsense. The media fawned all over Fournette all year and then found Henry when Fournette stopped showing up in big games.
Remember at the beginning of the year when we - and a lot of media types - thought we would have 3 legit Heisman candidates? Ah, those were the days.
Seriously, what the eff happened?
Seriously, what the eff happened?
I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Tim Beck.
This is pretty off topic, but the thread is about the heisman so I'll ask. I was thinking about the past heisman winners recently and that they get a vote every year, and I thought of OJ Simpson. Does OJ still get a vote from prison? It's just dumb enough of a question that it's not answered anywhere on the internet when I googled it.
I, too am curious.
Henry has to be one of the most overrated CFB players I've ever seen. 45 carries a game and he still only gets ~160 yards? Can you imagine Zeke with 45 carries? He might break 300.
Unfortunately, 2009 taught us that no matter how talented the Stanford finalist is, the mediocre Alabama finalist will always beat him, because, you know, S-E-C S-E-C
Sigh...this is getting old. Henry is not better than Zeke, but he certainly not overrated either.
And you can't "if Zeke had 40 carries he'd have 300 Yds". It's not that simple of a comparison...if you don't know why not you don't know football.
I love that line, "You don't know football" haha, how about you learn me then? I know that Zeke has more moves than just falling forward. I know that Zeke has better breakaway speed. I know that Zeke is better at breaking tackles. I know that Zeke plays in a system more conducive to the running back position gaining yards from scrimmage. I know that Zeke has a better YPC average. The fact is, neither one of us knows what would happen if Zeke got 40 carries because it never happened, but I definitely like his chances to get more than 189 yards on 44 carries.
I know that Zeke has more moves than just falling forward.
Very true, but so does Henry, unless you only focus on the runs that back up your theory.
I know that Zeke has better breakaway speed.
Zeke is quicker, especially in the 2nd tier, but Henry also runs a 4.5(sub 4.5 by some accounts) so it's not like he's the slow, plodding RB you described.
I know that Zeke is better at breaking tackles
Zeke is indeed very good at making people miss and breaking tackles, but what evidence, other than bias, do you have that shows that Henry, who weighs nearly 20 lbs more than Zeke, is worse at breaking tackles? That's what Henry is known for...his ability to break tackles. That's not what Zeke is known for.
I know that Zeke plays in a system more conducive to the running back position gaining yards from scrimmage
You do realize this actually could prove that Henry excels in a system that isn't conducive to a RB putting up prolific yardage...thus potentially proving Henry is the better back. You words, not mine.
but I definitely like his chances to get more than 189 yards on 44 carries.
Maybe, maybe not. But you claimed he was the most overrated back you have ever seen and used ONE game as your proof and then hypothesized what Zeke may, or may not do in the same situation....using this as further proof that Henry is overrated. You then followed all of this up with even more absurd remarks that show you lack the ability to think objectively.
Those other 4 teams are lucky we're not in the playoffs.
If i would have placed bets in the preseason on this site that cardale flopped, the offense would be anemic, they wouldnt win the b10 east, they wouldnt win the big10, theyd put 100 yards up on msu at home, they wouldnt make the playoffs, not a single player would be a heisman candidate and msu would beat mich on a last snap once in a trillion fluke play that would ultimately cost the bucks everying..... id be retiring this week.
What a load of crap.
The only good thing about The Game is winning it - Urban Meyer
The most ridiculous part, to me, is that they don't take into account all of the games that took place since the last vote. The Heisman voters turn in their selections before bowl season. That means Zeke's two bowl game appearances were not taken into account last season OR this season. Stupidity.
I have been on this site since January of 2011, and I have never once called any member of this site out for stupidity and general ass-hattery.
But you, sir...Rill Dill, are simply a whiny, sour, puckered asshole.
Please take yourself up the road to Michigan and join their fan club and hate on the Buckeyes properly.
I like cookies.
36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3"
I’m not sure what time it is, but Xichigan still sucks
Zeke will not be getting the Heisman, but he set a standard for clutch performances in the CFP semis and championship game that will be very tough to equal by any Heisman winner or any other player for that matter.
I am incensed that Zeke was not among the Heisman finalists. I am also disappointed that Keenan Reynolds of the USNA did not make the cut. Either of those two young men would be excellent Heisman finalists. It seems the media does not respect the athletic accomplishments of polished young men that have a brain. Instead, they promote boys like Henry, who like most SEC players is intellectually challenged. I am pulling for McCaffrey.
Ive got a few thoughts on this. The first is that its surprising given that he is a much better all around RB than Henry (Does Henry do anything other than run up the middle 40 times a game? Does he block? Does he catch?). The second is that its incredible how one bad game completely removed him from the Heisman discussion, which IMO is complete bs. Third, SEC players get WAAAAAAY too much credit. IMO, McCaffrey is the best player in the country, with Watson 2nd, and Henry 3rd. The SEC was garbage this year, but the media and other voters get caught up in the bullshit that is their reputation. The Heisman to me has become a bit of a joke lately. Sounds like Im being bitter and maybe I am, but the politics and and decision making involved with it (also the fact it is really about who is the best RB/QB and not the best PLAYER) make this modern version of it complete crap.
I actually feel bad for people that watch Henry run and think that's impressive. *yawn* I literally watched every minute of the Bama-FL game Saturday and recall this run, maybe 7-8 yards, and the announcer creamed in his pants. "WOW!!!" Henry made a slight shift to the left and broke one tackle, then ran out of bounds. I think he had all of 131 yards on 36 carries. And I thought to myself, "is that all?" Don't forget he only had like 60 yards vs Charleston Southern. It was about as pitiful a performance as Zeke had vs MSU. But we're not supposed to break the "Henry's the greatest" narrative. This entire season was a Buckeye hatin' snow job. If we were the SEC, not only would Zeke be in NYC, but MSU and OSU would be in the playoffs. No ifs, ands, or buts. Well maybe a few butts....BIG ONES!!!!!
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Ha! Henry was in the game for 2 series. He got 68 yards and 2 TDs. That's a little different than the MSU game.
Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban
Yes, very different. It was against Charleston Southern.
The disrespect continues. Hard to believe Elliott was not invited. What a hose job....
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
Yea Henry is going to win it but he won't do crap in the NFL. To me he doesn't have the acceleration. His vision is Ok if the wholes are huge. I mean no doubt he is one big dude. And yea if he can get enough carries he will wear out a defense.
But Zeke has that ability to explode and gash teams.
There is no doubt in my mind that Zeke is the best Ohio State running back I've seen in college football. Warrick Dunn was pretty good also. And I'm going back to the 80's. Lots of great Ohio State running backs and I like Zeke the best. He has the power, balance, vision, agility, explosiveness, strength, great hands, blocking,
He is truly the most complete running back I've ever seen. It is a shame that he won't get recognized. But the reality is he is way better than Henry. I haven't seen the McCaffery kid play this year but he seems to have had a great season.
If the coaches wanted Zeke to win the Heisman, he would've won it.
Never forget how we got screwed in 98
Dantonio and Mich State keep costing Ohio State. What costs?
1. cost winning a game, and now over the last 5 years they are on top 3-2 against the Buckeyes.
2. cost a B1G conference championship.
3. cost a spot in the CFP playoffs and a chance to repeat as champs.
4. cost recruits who watched a dismal performance in the cold rain.
5. cost Zeke a Heisman opportunity.
Dantonio and Mich State are THE rivals today. So why are some Buckeye fans so kissy, kissy with Dantonio?
a. because he was a former Ohio State asst. coach? So was Bo Schembelcher.
b. because he is from Ohio? So was Bo Schembelcher.
Dantonio should be today's hated Schembelcher.
Let's keep a frown on Bo Dantonio's face!!
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
Hard to hate Dantonio....2002 Buckeyes D IMHO is greatest of all time....never say die and pounded what many considered one of the greatest college teams in history in the 02 Hurricanes.
"Why didn't we run Zeke?"
Zeke just was a victim of poor timing. If the Heisman vote had been after the National Championship game last year, he might have won. Mariota certainly did not look like the best player on the field. You have to be the flavor of the moment--that is why Doug Flutie won.
Someone above pointed out that we only got 17 plays against MSU in the second half--well we only got 17 plays because we were not getting first downs. Give the ball to Zeke and that means first downs and more plays.
It should have been Zeke but we were all screwed by allegiance towards our weak, inept, play caller......... The fool should have been sent packing that night.
I guess when you get 50 carries a game, that makes you a Heisman.
"Only God can judge me." Jim Tressel #QuietTime
This is such crap.
I think Zeke should come back next year, win the Heisman, and become the #1 draft pick. That's what i would tell him if I were Meyer.
So wait, if a Buckeye doesn't get nominated, the Heisman voters are all idiots and the OC should be fired? And Braxton was robbed a couple of years ago?
And if the Buckeyes don't make the playoffs, it should expand to 8? And SEC!!! And fire Tim Beck! And screw the MEDIA!
Come on guys. Zeke is insanely amazing. Braxton has done things we might never see again. Our team won the national championship last year and earned the right to play a great bowl this year after not quite getting it done against MSU. The media doesn't hate you. It points out flaws, just like it does for every other teams, including teams in the SEC.
Let's keep loving and supporting our Buckeyes, but it would do our fan base well to stop acting like the world revolves around us. Blind fandom is exhausting. Love your players. Support our team. But please stop crying bloody murder when the rest of the world appreciates somebody else.
Insert snark here.
Zeke can thank Tim Beck for this.
FIRE TIM BECK!
If Zeke really wanted this I feel for him but I just cannot get worked up about it. The whole concept of picking a most outstanding player is flawed. Comparing across positions and judging different sides of the ball is impossible and no player operates in a vacuum. Deshaun Watson got it right when he said "This is a team award as much as anything." If Zeke won it there can be little doubt he would give a lot of credit to the OL.
I'm not surprised.
Neither is Fournette, Keenan Reynolds, Baker Mayfield, Dalvin Cook, etc.
The award has lost its luster.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
But it's surprising how Zeke is not in the Heisman discussion let alone the consideration. For example, today's lengthy article by SB Nation about players who should get the Heisman instead of Derrick Henry, does not even mention Ezekiel Elliott.
SB does mention:
Christian McCaffrey of Stanford
DeShaun Watson of Clemson
Dalvin Cook of Florida State
Derrick Henry of Alabama
Keeshan Reynolds of Navy
Leonard Fournette of LSU
Baker Mayfield of Oklahoma, and even
Vernon Adams of Oregon
But NOT Zeke. Is this a PR failure of Gene Smith and the AD's office?
Well dude, then stay another year....
Onward and upward! Go Buckeyes!
I heard a lot of comments this year about how the Heisman panel is "not allowed" (!?) to take into account Zeke's trifecta from last year, goring Wiscy, Bama and then Oregon for 700 yards. Like we have to pretend that didn't happen... even though it happened BEFORE last year's Heisman voting and so was not part of their consideration.
Otherwise, I think he had a great damn year and he will get drafted high and he will get over the Heisman snub. I don't think the MSU game can be singled out, or that we have to blame Tim Beck or Urban Meyer. It just didn't happen. If you wanted to, you could blame JT. Maybe he could have audibled us into some better plays against MSU. Maybe we would have been playing better if he hadn't gotten his OVI. Maybe maybe maybe.
Zeke is great and had a great year, and he's the conference MVP and the team MVP as well (I would think, right?).
Could have been better.... but it's all good.
Zeke and the QB from Navy definitely deserved to be invited for their on the field performances as well as being as big if not bigger studs off the field.
Heisman should really be considered at the end of all games. If it had been, Zeke would have won last year, not Mariota. Whereas Winston would have definitely won after beating Auburn in the title game. It's so silly to watch Heisman winners go out and get creamed in the title game (e.g. Troy Smith, although I think he still would have won that year).
I think McCaffrey might pull off the upset. Watson and Henry are going to split a lot of votes.
We all can most likely agree that Zeke is certainly among that group. Watson is a very good QB and is the main reason Clemson is where they are at right now. McCaffrey can do it all and will be a great pick for an NFL team. Henry, I am not so sure about. How many times do they pound that freak at defenses? About all I really see is him walking over bodies that his lineman put on the ground. Reminds me of another Tide running back that everybody thought was so great (Trent Richardson). Look close at his time at Bama and you will see the same thing. The guy's line was awesome. Maybe one of the best offensive lines in collegiate history. They were also the reason that McCarron threw with total impunity. Richardson is now a bust. Zeke though, will have a fine NFL career and be playing on many many many sundays. Henry will be a bust and will fade into anonymity.
QB #1: QBR 87.1, 203/314 pass (65%) 2834 yards (9.0yrd/pass), 34 TD, 10 INT; 171 rush, 938 yards (5.5yrd/rush), 11 TD; led team to conference championship and playoffs
QB #2: QBR 86.6, 287/413 pass (70%) 3512 yards (8.8yrd/pass),30 TD, 11 INT; 163 rush, 887 yards (5.4yrd/rush), 11 TD; led team to conference championship and playoffs
One of these QB's became a Heisman finalist, the other did not. Different years. Explain to me how one becomes a finalist and the other doesn't. Competition is relative for sure, but I believe this demonstrates how absurd the Heisman voting can be year-to-year.
F-ing espin! Bull$hit. Back to the SEC bias. Stanford is undefeated when playing Stanford football BS. Stanford ranked ahead of OSU is as bad or worse than not going to the CFP. WTF??
All of this from one F-ing game with MSU. And Beck and his BS. F This. What a complete total lack of respect. Henry has to run the ball 35-45 times a game to get 200 yards vs. real teams.
This season is the biggest disappointing letdown in every way. This team would beat any team they played by 17 points right now.
F the Fiest Bowl. F. notre lame. F Bama. F The Heisman. F the CFP. F espin! F IT.
It's a shame, and the best we can hope for is we blow out ND and Oklahoma wins the title, again a 4 seed, and that one of these next few years (possibly next year, look at Bama's actually tough schedule next year) the SEC is shut out. Then we will get the 8 team playoff we deserve. Just too late for this year's squad.
Don't play "not to loose"!
"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015. Needs no explanation.
This is a disgrace. The hatred of Ohio State knows no morals.