It was really nothing out of the ord.. So shocking this wasnt done to MSU
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I mean the play calling part.. Just shocking the execution was not up to this level all year.
Absolutely agreed, But if we had to lose one, I'm happy it wasn't the last game of the regular season!! Go Bucks! Go USC/Florida/MSU/UNC!! Prepare for chaos!
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I don't really understand rooting for USC. Do we really have to worry about Stanford jumping us with 2 loses already?? I understand they have better wins then us, but they lost to Northwestern & Oregon...
The only reason I could see the committee putting Stanford in over OSU is not wanting to have 2 teams from the B1G Ten. That being said I don't think they would have a problem with two SEC teams...
Agreed, and I would argue that Stanford has one quality win - ND. We have one quality win - TTUN. They have 2 losses. We have 1. Getting another win over a mediocre USC is not going to impress anyone.
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Conference championship though, huge criteria
I understand conference championships are huge but let me put this scenario out there...If Stanford only had one loss and Notre Dame didn't have any losses, do you truly think Stanford would get in over Notre Dame.
They would have the conference championship but wouldn't have the undefeated record. What I'm saying is I think there is and has to be more of an emphasis on the record first and foremost. That being said the fact that Notre Dame and the Big 12 don't have to face another really good team at the end of their season (for the conference championship) is ridiculous. Don't you think Clemson would rather not have to beat UNC this weekend? They would still be the number 1 seed in the playoff without the conference championship. It's clearly not fair and I'm going to keep whining about it.
I absolutely agree, I'm sick of hearing about who "deserves" it, I want the 4 best teams to get in, over anything else. I realize that can diminish the regular season. But in that circumstance you brought up I 100% agree with you. I'm just saying i don't want any doubt for the committee and their ridiculous criteria. How bama is an automatic in with beating florida is awful. Their resume is worse than ours.
Bottom line i agree with you, i was just covering all bases. :) OSU deserves to be in. That loss to MSU was an absolute fluke, Put OSU and MSU against each other again and we win i guarantee it.
Bama has the "storied program" big name (much like the Buckeyes do) and also have a stud running back who gets a lot of attention.
not saying they have better credentials than OSU, but they would make a similar argument.
I dread the fact that this all means we are almost guaranteed to see an 8-team playoff in a few more years.
Yeah, although I think they were trying some of these things, but it was not working. MSU did not respect the pass and had everybody at the line. It is quite a bit to ask to avoid that many talented tacklers. The weather had a fair bit to do with that one though, and the coaches really freaking out early on. Not sure why they did not have Zeke or Samuel in the backfield more in that game.
It was execution as well as play calling that "wasn't done to MSU." B4N, here are 3 gifs (ala our Kyle of 11W) that show what happened in the Mich State game. Now you'll know.
Insightful Link: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14230402
And BTW, mahalo Kyle, for great explanations of what went right against Mich, and why.
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Great breakdown, Kyle. Love the stills, followed by the gifs of each play!
That TD throw by J.T. was pure gold. The run fake bought just enough time to get the safety out of the play, because if J.T. throws it over Jalin's shoulder the safety looks like he still could have made the play. Perfect placement at the perfect fraction of a second to make the play.
It was like an old friend showing up at a house party with 49 kegs of beer.
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These are my favorite types of posts. Really illustrates the intelligence and strategy involved with football.
The kegs and strippers?
I like what he said about how forcing the ball into players' hands made the playcalling disjointed and didn't allow a natural offensive progression through a game. I know I'm guilty of thinking that the best way to open up the offense was to force feed players like Braxton, but in reality the best thing to do is to execute a solid game plan.
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It really works. The zone read power running game really works. I hope to see it two more games this year.
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That throw is pretty good. If he overthrows than the safety is right there and if he underthrows too much the DB gets it. Just nice stuff overall there.
This is one of those games that makes you scratch your head about where some of this was other games. I get Jones is a different player but we have seen him do alright with some of this stuff before.
The big change was moving Coach Warinner up to the coaches box. It not only allowed him to see the field and what would work play to play but also allowed us to go "up-tempo" and wear down the defense.
Also credit Jim Cordle on the sideline coaching the OL as Warriner was in the box. That's the best the OL has looked all season.
Agreed. Cordle was the unsung hero in the TTUN game.
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Cordle was a unsung hero as a player too. While playing center at tOSU he broke his snapping hand and played the remainder of the season snapping with his off hand. The next season he slid to guard because he was needed there. I also recall him playing a couple of games at tackle due to injury.
He is definitely one of my favorite unheralded Buckeyes of all time. Plus, who else would you want to coach the line than someone who has played every position.
Was it that, or was UFM more involved as he said he would be? This looks more like Florida's offense with Tim Tebow or our offense from a couple of years ago than it looks like we have run all year long. I see Urbs' fingers all over this thing IMO.
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It was like watching a completely different offense. Elliot was his usual hard charging self. But the line looked cohesive. Barrett was showing the ability to read and distribute. And receivers were making plays when needed. This is the offense I was expecting all year. And my opinion is that the defense they just dissected was the best they went up against all year. Better than the MSU unit which seemed to be a Rubix cube to the offense and coaches. Happy to get the win and witness potential meeting up with execution.
The offensive line struggles when they don't play up-tempo. I'm surprised it took 12 games to realize that but I'm so grateful it came just in time to ruin UM.
Some team is going to get beat down by Ohio State in the bowl game.
Some teams is are going to get beat down by Ohio State in the bowl game playoffs.
Amazing job Kyle. I am sure you had a lot more fun doing this week's film study :)
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Great breakdown as always. A follow up question, could this gameplan have been run against MSU or was their alignment/scheme setup to prevent this?
Great question. I think for the Power-read, running it with Shilique Calhoun as the option man would've probably been much more difficult, as he is a good enough athlete to force Barrett into a decision either way while still being athletic enough to react in time to stuff it. Additionally, the pulling back-side guard would've left a potential opening for Malik McDowell to dart through the back-side A gap and mess up a play that takes a couple ticks to get going.
However, that doesn't mean they shouldn't have tried it. Many teams have figured out how to stop Power-Read when they know it's coming, but Michigan suffered because they seemingly didn't expect it at all.
Would you say that fear of those two MSU D-linemen is what got the gameplan so discombobulated last week? It seemed to me that against TTUN we could run our bread and butter inside running plays where MSU consistently takes those away.
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I don't think it was fear of them in the planning stage as much as they were so disruptive once the game started. For all the issues with the play-calling against MSU, I'd guess we only saw about 50% of the game plan due to the countless three-and-outs. There were probably tons of 2nd-and-short and hurry-up wrinkles that never saw the light of day because of how ineffective the unit was in their execution. Calhoun, McDowell and the entire MSU front just ate up the slobs that day.
I noticed that Michigan was pretty consistent in staying with its base defense looks. Meaning the safeties stayed 10 or yards off the line and didn't load the box like we have seen from past opponents. Interesting strategy and they didn't make the adjustments.
They were consistently reacting to our play and put of position when we controlled the line of scrimmage. It was also pretty clear that they lacked the athletes to play us in space and on the edge.
When all is said and done for TUN, their defense really struggled against the athletic, spread offenses.
They may be well coached and had a record start but they weren't as talented as originally thought. Overachieved against mediocre competition and exposed against the good teams.
They may be well coached and had a record start but they weren't as talented as originally thought. Overachieved against mediocre competition and exposed against the good teams.
Well put, CPT, well put. Also, let's not forget, they're actually LUCKY to be 9-3. They could easily have been 8-4, or 7-5 save for a couple plays.
Bottom line: THIRD best team in the BIG East, but not by much.
And with crazy Jimmy and staff committed to Power I-formation football, I honestly don't see them getting a lot of wins against tOSU, because Urbz will know how to counter that, and will always recruit at a high level.
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Yep. I forgot about the Minnesota game for them. They aren't a really deep team. They peaked early, got exposed, and ran out of steam.
On offense, they need to figure out the WR situation and TE with Butt likely going to the draft. As well as a QB. They are a senior laden team and they don't have a lot of impact players returning.
They have a weak OOC schedule next year but they draw us, Sparty and Iowa on the road. They have a lot to do to becoming an elite team like many think Harbaugh will make them become
Agreed. The loss they had to Sparty mid-season, and our beat down yesterday, makes it all the more SWEET!
And with them breaking in a new QB next year, I don't see them being truly competitive until 2017.
Yep. A lot of work do up there.
If it's Speight, I won't worry too much. Did you see the kids face when he came in? Fear. Absolute fear in those eyes. With the depth at d end, that fear should be a constant for him.
I think this was about timing too. Even though this play was unleashed in the first half, Harbaugh in his post-game did say (one of the only coherent things he said actually) that they really thought they were winning this game when they went into half-time. I don't think they felt any need to make adjustments because they thought they had momentum and would just hunker down. I have to believe a few coaches (defensive especially) had to have quite the sinking feeling during that 3rd quarter as they watched us dominate!
Yes that mostly true and they did have momentum. But it was pretty much gone after our first drive. It was clear their plan wasn't stopping the run. We had like 180 yards in the first half so that's flawed logic to have because they got beat. The tape showed that they weren't really controlling the line of scrimmage.
Mack Brown did cover that during the half time show but we responded on the first drive in the second half. They didn't adjust or simply couldn't.
These articles are great. You really get a sense of the intricacies and layers of each play. The coaches came in with a great plan and the players executed at a very high level. A complete game for sure. Bragging a bit here, but I was at the game and I cannot wait to watch it again (which I will tonight) to pick up on some of those things I missed on Saturday.
Amazing what happens when you put a play caller in the booth who understands Urban's offensive philosophy..............................
and reduce the impact of a play caller who doesn't..
I do wonder what this means for Beck going forward. Besides Urban coming out and saying it, I don't know of any stronger way to show that he doesn't trust Beck to call the game. Urban has repeatedly stated that he prefers OL coaches to be on the sideline. So unless he has been really impressed with Beck's ability to coach the QBs, you have to think he may be looking for a replacement soon.
Though it remains to be seen who will get the next opportunity to face the Ohio State offense, one thing is for sure: if the Buckeyes are able to replicate this kind of game plan, that defense is in for a long day. Just ask Jim Harbaugh.
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That Marshall catch reminds me a little bit of the Smith to Gonzales catch against that team.
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Great film study as always, Kyle. I hope you wind up having more than one left to do this season.
The re-introduction of the power-read certainly leaves one to wonder where that's been all year. There was just enough of a viable passing threat to keep the defense honest, as well.
Anybody else notice who was missing from this quote?
... Meyer and offensive coordinator Ed Warinner didn't wait to go at the Wolverine defense with a wrinkle they may not have expected.
Wasn't there a trio of offensive decision-makers, previously? I'm not necessarily saying the adjustment in tactics and subsequent turn-around is reflected in that omission - but it kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it?
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I'm of the belief that Beck's influence on the play-calling has been inflated by fans all year long. His title of 'Co-offensive coordinator' is the same one Warinner held last year, when Herman was simply the 'Offensive coordinator' and was responsible for play-calling. Ed simply bumped up a chair, and has been the lead play-caller all year while Beck moved into that second chair. Yes, he was involved in the game planning and relaying info from the booth, but I've never thought that he was the one calling the plays just because he sat upstairs.
If anyone besides Warinner was involved in the play-calling in games, it's been Meyer. He has openly admitted it the past two weeks, and it's in line with everything I've ever heard about his relationships with coordinators. Any lack of communication or chemistry between the staff likely has little to do with Beck, and more to do with Meyer and Warinner getting on the same page. Whether the placement of Ed in the booth this week helped, I don't know. What's clear though is that they were all aligned within this game plan, both in terms of a game plan to attack Michigan, and the cadence of when to build concepts on one another based upon the defense's reaction.
From what I have read, Warinner being in the booth helped the offense play more up tempo. Before Saturday, Beck would relay to Warinner what he was seeing from the coaches box and then Warinner would take Beck's suggestion and call a play, pending approval from Coach Meyer. This all took extra time that really slowed down the offense for the Buckeyes. Now, the two can confer in the booth together, call the play to Coach Meyer and go with it quicker. Seems to be more efficient than the prior system in place.
This makes sense. It took Tom Herman some time to get into a groove with Urban Meyer too. For all the focus on the players during the B1G CCG and playoff run, it was also the first time that the offensive coaches seemed to have a fully cohesive game plan.
That could be the case with Meyer and Warriner too.
Plus, it seems that the OSU offensive staff has one game a season where a team totally surprises them and they can't seem to get out of their own way - MSU this season and VT last season for example. Not quite sure why that happens.
In both instances the OSU offense had to adjust their game plan in a big way almost immediately (VT with the Bear front/Cover 0, the weather against MSU) and simply failed to do so both times. Whenever there are multiple voices that are forced to make a group decision, different philosophies and ideas will emerge, instead of letting one voice dictate the response. Undoubtedly, Meyer has the final say but I'm sure he, Herman, and Warinner have disagreed on the best course of action in the past.
Yes so OK it is raining and windy. But Ohio State doesn't throw the ball much anyways. If anything the weather should have benefited Ohio State. The problem was that they didn't execute and the play calling was given away by the formation changes they made. I mean the announcers were calling what the plays were likely to be. You can bet everyone on the field knew it also.
But poor sloppy wet field conditions should benefit the offense that knows where the ball is going and how they are going to cut to get their blocks. The team reacting should have been the one suffering more with the wet field.
Again Ohio State ran right into their teeth and when they did throw they never threw deep enough to take advantage of the loaded box.
I've not been one of those who thought UFM was allowing Beck to "go off the reservation" as far as play-calling is concerned. However, the difference in the offense this week was undeniable.
It's my understanding - that like most teams - we go in to every game with a list of pre-approved plays we're to run against a given defense in a given down and distance at a particular point in the game. And that most of that is determined during the week - only to be tweaked as in-game adjustments are made.
I have always found it hard to believe that UFM had been allowing Beck to go completely rogue on the play calling week after week. That's why I specifically did not use those words in this case. I believe these were decisions that were made as a general strategy going in to the game.
For whatever reason, the power-read had seemingly been taken out of the repertoire for a while. But I sincerely doubt that was entirely Beck's doing.
I've read some excellent points about tempo in the subsequent comments, too - by the way. Clearly, Warinner is better in the role -
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The worst part about the season being over is these articles stop.... Great work all season long!
I would like to hear your comments on the scum DBs and the technique they are taught to stay with the receiver. They grab the WR jersey but keep their elbows in tight to their body grabbing the WR inside his shoulder, hands almost always inside their own shoulders, so it is very hard for the referee to see. They could have been flagged on the TD pass, and on a few other throws. They really know how to disguise it, and I have seen this many times in their games this year.
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Can't believe that Zeke got caught from behind by #22. He is so washed up.
Well, with him leaving after this year, you have to figure he wasn't even trying.
People often forget that Urban's spread is designed for the run and not the pass. It was his classic scheme executed to perfection on the most important stage for the Buckeyes.
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Great analysis Kyle!
If two coaches in the press box means these kind of results, why not just put 'em all in the press box? Might need a padded area for Coach Red Bull.
Jalin blocks! Nice technique on Zeke's first breakaway.
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truly amazing how 20 years ago, I would have wanted to dance in the streets with a victory over Michigan, a Rose Bowl appearance, and a top ten ranking. It would have been total success. But now it feels somewhat empty leaving us to reminisce about 2014's run. It's not because another W in the game isn't important, but because we all knew this gameplan was somewhere, waiting to be unleashed for 11 weeks. You used a great term, "layered" play calling. Nice work by the coaching staff - and nice work by Ash/Fickell/Johnson on the defensive side of the ball.
I have a feeling that next year's young team will be EXTREMELY hungry. An we'll have a more solid schedule spread throughout the season: Oklahoma, Northwestern, MSU, and then Harbaugh (at home).
"However, the 'Power-read' hadn't been seen much this fall after also playing a big role in that big win over the Crimson Tide."
That's a real puzzle then. If CJ was named the starter, and this fits his abilities, why didn't we go to it much earlier?
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I think that the offense we ran with Cardale was the Pro Spread. So many different variations it is hard to keep track, lol.
Different name but the same offense. Power spread, Pro Spread I always thought it was the same thing. That game they called against Alabama and Oregon last year. Power Spread Something... It works. Cause you spread the field inside and out and short and deep all at the same time.
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The one question I keep wondering, are we that weak in the passing game? And what can be done about it before next year?
As great as Saturday was, it was still very one dimensional. A team that shuts down the running game (Michigan State), beat us. At some point, they have to adjust. A #1 team in the country should not be one dimensional.
I just finished watching the game again and for the most part I thought the passing game was very effective and mixed in effectively. Media kept pounding on the number and results of rushing plays to contrast with the game before last, si I think the passing side of things was overlooked totally--there were some really pretty throws and catches.
I did notice that Meyer was pssd about the underthrown pass on 4th-6yds just before the last TD, that drew a PI. If I read his mouth correctly, he was pumping his fists and yelling "Throw the ball!" Next play JT runs it in with a little, but very quick cut.
They gored, not gashed, their opponent and saw they could do it very early in the game. The 1st qtr I think the run-pass ratio was pretty close, especially considering field position. Rushing tempo was the way to go, so they did it.
The Buckeyes' play-calling for much of the year felt disjointed because it often lacked this layered approach, instead forcing the ball to specific players instead of letting the offense naturally open up opportunities to get play-makers like Marshall and Elliott the ball
Thoughts about the play-calling for Braxton against TTUN and in general for the year? UFM did say he wants to get Braxton the ball more, and he did on a few times this past Saturday, but the plays seemed ineffective.
I really think they should have lined up Braxton at RB and given him outside handoffs. He could have run the inverted veer just as well. Letting JT decide to keep or give would be better because Braxton tends to keep the ball when he has the choice.
I am also dumbfounded why we didn't see more screens thrown to Braxton.
Even if we don't make the playoff, this encourages me that the playcalling can improve next year and we can use the equally amazing talent we will have next year then.
These write ups are just the best. So helpful! Thanks so much!
Yea I sort of feel like Cardale Jones was ripped off by the offensive play calling this year. I mean would run like one or two plays a game with pulling guards. And nothing like this power run read which would have fit Cardale's power running between the tackles. Instead they tried speed options with him or other forms of the read option which forced him to run wide.
I have literally wondered all year where the power spread and the tempo had gone all year long. This power spread is what won them the national championship and other plays that fit this mold. In fact most of the year they would have success when they would not change out of that single back formation. But they would never stick with it.
Instead as the author suggest they got cute and tried to force the ball to certain players. Which could have happened anyways once they wore out the defense and set up some long drives. The ball can only be distributed if you get a lot of first downs.
I feel sort of sorry for the whole team (Cardale the most because he took the brunt of the blame this season) because honestly after you win a national championship with your third string (practically a rookie) QB running this type of offense why do you go away from it.
This is the type of game plan that lets the offensive linemen wear out the defensive linemen a bit. So on top of the play action effect you also slow down the pass rush to begin with cause they are sucking wind.
I don't really care which coach was at fault for the bulk of the poor play calling. I personally think Meyer got a little bit to complacent. Perhaps focused on recruiting too much I don't know.
What I do know is the play calling was dreadful between the Virginia Tech game and the Michigan game. Just dreadful. I think they were trying to force the ball to certain players and everyone on the field knew it.
And this whole power spread - mixed with the read option - has hardly been used this year. And it was never used with enough consistency to actually wear out defenses. Tempo....????? I mean the only time I remember using them tempo was once with J.T and once on a two minute drive with Cardale. Both were successful. Yet where has it been?
I know many of us thought they were saving these things for the big games. But then Michigan State came to town and they became more one dimensional then ever before. It made no sense. Could it be that when things unexpected happen the first reaction is to abandon the bread and butter plays and instead try new stuff that hasn't been practiced. I mean think of all those penalties the offensive line, the bad snaps by Boren, and the false starts, and lining up in the formations wrong happened when they were surprised by the odd fronts at Hawaii and the next game after that.
I dunno I mean this is all speculation. I just think at some point you need to have some bread and butter plays you can go to. And it felt like this year they spent time trying out new stuff. All I know is the Michigan game rocked and you could see how they were confusing the snot out of Michigan.
Just not sure why they couldn't do this when other teams loaded the box. I mean just throw over them... Instead they try to run at them using plays that they didn't run much before. Strange just strange.