Chris Ash responsible for move to Rugby Tackling

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Ethos's picture

probably means more shoulder injuries, but thats a lot better than spine and head.

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Andy Vance's picture

One guy's observation, but it seems like we've been a much better tackling team since moving to the Rugby style. During the first couple of years of Meyer's tenure, it felt like guys were trying to make SportsCenter by blowing a guy up rather than by actually wrapping up and bringing him down. I find myself yelling at the TV about our tackling form a lot less these days.

RunningFree's picture

I've noticed that as well.  Even some of our best players were guilty of it (such as Shazier). 

Extra benefit: less subjective BS targeting calls.

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Andy Vance's picture

Even some of our best players were guilty of it (such as Shazier). 

Bradley Roby was the guy who I seem to recall yelling about the most. It was like he was trying to put together his highlight reel rather than just getting the man on the ground. Led to a lot of missed tackles, as I recall it.

Andy Vance's picture

I went back and did some digging, and seems I was remembering Roby correctly. From CBS Sports' draft scouting:

Only knows full speed and will over-pursue in space. Relies more on the hit than wrapping up as a tackler, and drops his head on contact.

QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Some of those hits were pretty spectacular

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Andy Vance's picture

No doubt. He could lay a guy out, but his speed & aggression made for some really aggravating misses at times, too. You mess with the bull, you get the horns, I suppose.

QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I'm a Bronco's fan so I still get to enjoy the occasional whiff.

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KBonay's picture

That was my biggest issue with Christian Bryant in his earlier days.  Always wanted the highlight hit.  But he made the change & unfortunately got his career cut short.

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TomD's picture

Andy, you're right.  The aggressive style of tackling so often seen today doesn't actually intend to "tackle," it is to man-handle and physically blow up a play and it often leads to taking a bad line or, if not perfectly executed, missing the tackle entirely.

As with some of the tackling by the safeties, it would be much better to take a proper line with good tackle-the-legs technique and give up one or two extra yards than to take a too aggressive approach and miss the tackle entirely.  That is what often springs these long runs, a defender taking too aggressive an approach, missing or half-tackling, then being forced to try to arm tackle too high, leading to a long gain, especially if it is a safety who is often the last defender in a position to make the play.  Dial back the pure physical aggression, take a more fundamentally sound, technique-oriented approach to tackling and make sure you bring the guy down.

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Andy Vance's picture

Andy, you're right.

Could you repeat that one more time so I can show it to my wife?

Seriously, though, you said it, Tom. I know it's probably not hip in the days of the viral Vine, but I'd much rather see our guys make a fundamentally sound tackle and get the man on the ground than to end up on SportsCenter's Top 10 once while they whiffed on three other big plays.

Jake321's picture

I don't think rugby style makes you better at tackling, it just makes playing the game safer. The only differences in tackling between football and rugby is the head is suppose to be behind the runner instead of in front and sometimes you are suppose to roll when you have the carrier wrapped up instead of driving you legs. I still think that Chris ash is a big reason for the better tackling but I don't think it's because of rugby tackling but something else he does.

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Benwin's picture

Bad tackling has become epidemic throughout college and the pros a lot of it has to do with player safety and "Business Decisions"

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apack614's picture

It's funny how everything has changed.

When I played it was almost the exact opposite.

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RK84's picture

I remember being a freshman in college (which wasn't too long ago)  and having our LB coach teach us not only how to use our helmet when tackling, but how to snap the back of it up when we tackled so we could split the ball carriers chin open or knock them out completely.

Oh how times change.

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gobucks96's picture

Yeah, those leather helmets sucked..

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aznchipmunk's picture

Rugby tackling?

What about Rugby style kicking!

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Toilrt Paper's picture

A VERY bad Idea an certain instances. You saw what happened to U of M's rugby style kicker when there was all out punt block.

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toad1204's picture

Don't get me started on #kickergedon

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Toilrt Paper's picture

Fewer concussions in Rugby, and they don't wear helmets. A no brainer.... as well as a pun.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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Bigbuckeyes's picture

not so sure there are really less in rugby. Its like saying, there were less concussions in the NFL in the 60s. Which was based on whether or not they were even diagnosing concussions. Which was the problem. Rugby only recently has come under scrutiny for its concussion issues. they are just now looking into the long term effects. and rugby has less resources than the nfl.

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Toilrt Paper's picture

BTW Urban is now 100% sold on the rugby tackle. The only reason being the safety reason.  

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Moutarde's picture

This was dealt with in a thread and multiple comments in April 2015.

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2015/04/52228/video-he...

Of course, because it is related to Buckeye football, it is worth discussing again now.

A thing repeated will happen a third time.

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buckeye phi's picture

Like many Americans, I played football before I played rugby.  Trust me - you unlearn that "head across the bow" business pretty quick when you're not wearing a helmet.  The form we were taught in high school was technically illegal - even at the time - let alone in this day and age.  This was a smart move. 

Chris Ash is a tremendous coach.  Sometimes, I get the feeling he's not as appreciated by the fan base as he should be -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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Andy Vance's picture

Sometimes, I get the feeling he's not as appreciated by the fan base as he should be.

Agreed. I'm not sure if it's because we've been so focused on the offense this season, or the development of the offensive line and J.T. Barrett last season, or if it's just that Ash came in and quietly took care of business, but we seem to talk about him very little relative to the work he's accomplished with the defense.

Toilrt Paper's picture

IMO, he will be the next coach to leave for a Head Coaching position

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buckeye phi's picture

Our pass defense was ranked 110th in 2013.  Last year we finished at 28th.  So far this season we're sitting at #5.  I'd say he's pretty good -

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Chris Ash is a tremendous coach.  Sometimes, I get the feeling he's not as appreciated by the fan base as he should be.

You mean Chris Gash?

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Hovenaut's picture

Great read - and count me among the "Retain Ash" crowd.

Thanks for the share, Toad.

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Andy Vance's picture

Hope you're not too emotionally invested in him staying on board another year... With approximately 87 FBS head coaching positions coming open this year, it's all but certain that we're going to be, at some point, saying "He Gone."

buckeye phi's picture

It's my understanding that UFM asks his new hires to stick around a minimum of three years.  Ash is easily the hottest young coach on our staff - but I don't think he will be gone until immeditely following the 2016 season -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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Andy Vance's picture

It's my understanding that UFM asks his new hires to stick around a minimum of three years. 

I had two years in my head when remembering the commitment Urban asked of his guys, but you could be right.

Hovenaut's picture

Hoping for another season or two - to set Erick Smith and Marshon Lattimore (and Dame Webb) on the right path, as well as lock in another recruit or two.

He's an Iowa guy (Drake)...dare I say he could replace the perennial COY at some point?

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Andy Vance's picture

He's an Iowa guy (Drake)...dare I say he could replace the perennial COY at some point?

One possibility; the other question is if Iowa State's Paul Rhodes gets the pink slip at some point and he goes back there.

Hovenaut's picture

I think (hope) he stays in B1G/Midwest country in any case.

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