Searching For Answers Offensively, Urban Meyer and Ohio State Exploring Idea of Altering Play Calling Duties

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Tree_Trunk's picture

This is good to hear. While watching the first three games of the season, the thing I was most annoyed with was our pandering to whatever the defense was doing rather than just shoving our gameplan down their throat. We're good enough that we should be able to dictate the flow of the game rather than react.

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bd2999's picture

That is very true. Although sometimes there may be no choice, but that should be a minority of times. It is not like the teams they have been playing are generally known for their great defense.

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BuckeyeForever's picture

Bear Defense? Doesn't everyone run that against us now?

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bd2999's picture

I thought that was the 3-4 this year...apparently...

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WestDesMoinesBuckeye's picture

I have noticed this season that when Cardale is in there seems to be no sense of urgency, then JT is in and he is trying to go uptempo.  I don't know what tempo they are trying to reach but there seems to be 2 entirely different speeds between them. 

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ibuck's picture

our pandering to whatever the defense was doing rather than just shoving our gameplan down their throat. We're good enough that we should be able to dictate the flow of the game rather than react.

How did you ever get this impression? Perhaps this is true when OSU is loaded and plays hapless Kent State or Akron teams, but there's more parity in the FBS now with the 85 schollie limit. Good defenses and/or good DC's are able to produce some discombobulation, unless the offense is performing on a very high level. So we're seeing 8 or 9 in the box with a lot of blitzing, daring OSU to pass, and the Buckeyes aren't getting it done. 

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

I agree, rather than pounding the ball early to set up play action and making them chase our speed from side to side, it seems we are on our heels offensively trying to out guess the defensive scheme. I also wish we would bring back the read option a little more because I loved it in years past when we would play action off the read option and attack the middle of the field with the tight end. This would also favor JT being the guy which in my opinion he should be.

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TheTitleist's picture

He's irritated things aren't going the way they should be

FTFY 

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Hovenaut's picture

The comfort in all this?

Ohio State has the talent and experience to right the ship...on and off the field.

Go Buckeyes.

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Strelly_C89's picture

This is great news.  Anxious to see some of the changes for this weeks game and as the season progresses.  Still awaiting for the giant to awaken and unleash on any and every opponent. 

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AZBUCK-I's picture

Yep!

Bo Schembechler: Student of Woody;
Gary Moeller: Player for Woody;
Lloyd Carr & Rich Rodriguez: Owned by Tressel;
Brady Hoke: Owned by donuts;
Jim Harbaugh: Owned by Urban to the tune of 42-13.

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Fatpants's picture

Urban must have been swayed by the 14,962 11w play calling threads.

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OSU_ALUM_05's picture

Never a truer word has been spoken.

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Osusam77's picture

And I think they were all pretty good!

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stantmann's picture

Who could have possibly down voted that? It was funny as hell. I think Ed Warinner may be here incognito...

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B1Gspeed's picture

Why the DV--because its not in the sarcasm font?

;-{)}

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DefendYoungstown's picture

I have a 40mpg VW I'm trying to sell anybody interested?

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Turfgrad's picture

Will you take a Corvair on trade?

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ScarletAndGrayMatter's picture

I have always been a little nervous that Warriner would be calling the plays from the sideline. Not that coaches are incapable of doing that, but calling plays or at least filtering plays through a guy in the booth seems like a big advantage. Especially when you run an offense predicated on taking advantage of numbers and match ups.

I have total faith in Urban and the staff to get things right. If the pundits think this team is going to be like a Florida State from last year, which I have been hearing a lot of, then they have another thing coming.

Go Bucks!

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Osusam77's picture

It is even harder if he is calling them from Gainsville - sorry couldn't resist. Now I will leave.

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cinserious's picture

If the pundits think this team is going to be like a Florida State from last year, which I have been hearing a lot of, then they have another thing coming.

Damn straight!!! 

One day I will valiantly become a political prisoner of 11W jail.

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input4u's picture

To the Booth we go....  Missing that ump Tempo from last year.  We need our main guy calling plays (whoever that is) upstairs...

Wasn't there a certain number of offense plays desired last year with the ump tempo...  Where has that been???

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IslandBumBuckeye's picture

Ump tempo? Tell me more...

"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."

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TBDBITL DAD's picture

Ump tempo is the fastest tempo known to man.

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nm_buck's picture

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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Texasbucksfan's picture

Everything we hear about Urban is that he is detail oriented and pays attention to even the smallest item. If this is the case, shouldn't these communication issues and offensive philosophie's been talked about and fixed before the season began?

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IGotAWoody's picture

You can't simulate game conditions in practice. You can try, and with some things you can get close, but it's not until game time that you actually see how all your preparation comes together. And if something's not right, then you get busy fixing it.

Same thing happened last year, too.

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Buckeyeinsc's picture

I never thought it was a good idea to have an OC be a line coach at the same time because the line is what gets the most adjustments throughout the game. You need to have a guy devoted to just picking that stuff up and not having to worry about the rest of the picture.

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Buckeye Knight's picture

I LOVE this about Urban!  The man is always evaluating himself and the team honestly and willing to do what it takes to change in a positive direction.

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Macke777's picture

Truth. Urban doesn't pull punches. He knows more about football than I ever will. I trust him. Go Buckeyes!!!!!!!

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Breakawayspeed's picture

Tora! Tora! Tora!   Attack! Attack! Attack!

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d1145fresh's picture

Question: Last year Herman was in the booth but who was actually calling the plays on the sidelines? Was it Warinner on the sidelines?

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BigJohninSF's picture

My impression was Herman was in the booth, calling plays, evaluating defensive formations/matches. Then relaying the info to the sidelines. 

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d1145fresh's picture

Right but who was actually relaying the information to the QBs?

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Luckobucko's picture

Whoever it is with the orange and green shirts on the sidelines, they signal to the qb. 

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B1Gspeed's picture

We need to hire another Mensa card carrying OC.

;-{)}

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OSUBucks5's picture

Sometimes great coaches don't fit all roles perfectly.. While Warinner is the best of the best on the Oline (personally I think the best in all of football, even NFL), he just might not be ready to be an offensive coordinator quite yet. I would like to see him go back to creating a dominant unit of slobs and take away the focus on playacting for the time being.. Nothing against Ed, but I feel the plays need to be called from the booth, and Coach Warinner is at his best with the line from the field

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NewPhilaFan's picture

This is his third gig as an offensive coordinator.  Army in the late 1990s then Kansas from 2007-2009.  If you remember that Kansas team in 2007, they put up a lot of points and had the best record in like forever.  They were one of the teams that had to lose late for us to get into the NCG against LSU.

Let's Go Bucks

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vmcclell's picture

He was a successful oc at Kansas..... Lead them to Orange bowl and was the play caller. I keep reading this comment I'm different forums and it's just wrong.

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OrdieBuck72's picture

I figured out what the problem with the offense is and fixed it last night. The Bucks should be ready to go for the rest of the season. My kids make a Buckeye necklace every year. They get one Buckeye for every win from the tree in our front yard. This year we have not had any Buckeyes so far. I set up a game camera and found the squirrels have been taking and burying them. Just want to say the problem has been fixed......ready for their 4th Buckeye on Saturday! Go Bucks!...you can thank me later!

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RoadRacer's picture

This: "If we go jet tempo, that's got to be from upstairs, because you can't see anything from down there," Meyer said.  Besides splitting QB reps (practice and game) in a way I don't entirely understand, I think we have to move play calling to the booth as part of the "fix."  Got to be able to see what is going on!

I have no doubt that Meyer knows what needs to be done and that he'll get it done.

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Jpfbuck's picture

Urban has said over and over again that no one is the "sole" play caller, Warriner, Beck and himself share the duty to a large extent.

Tressel had a similar arrangement when Bollman was here, ie he and the Walrus shared the play calling duty on offense

I think this is a bit more about process than any major change in duties

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BuckeyeSouth's picture

That's a bunch of things that need fixed...

There are a lot of things on offense that need to be tweaked as the article appropriately points out.  I think we fans need to keep in mind that all of them won't be fixed overnight.  If we see incremental improvements each week we need to keep calm and know that by the time the Buckeyes hit the toughest part of the schedule the offense should be humming along.

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buckeyepastor's picture

From Meyer's comments, it sounds like they came in calling the offense as if week 1 2015 was just week 16 of 2014, as if we just picked up where we left off.   We've been calling a lot of stuff that worked last year mainly AFTER we established the inside rush attack.   But we forgot to or skipped over the step of getting that established.   I still wonder if some self-imposed pressure to get all these talented guys, especially Braxton, their touches each week hasn't sort of taken the team out of rhythm.    I am 100% confident that when the offensive line gets to the business of blowing open holes in the middle for Zeke to hit like a boss, that the front and back of our opponents' defenses will start being a step behind us in dealing with all sorts of other aspects of the offense.   But I think we have to win the battle up front first.   I think if we start with doing very well what plays to the strengths of Boren and Decker and Co., we'll then be able to quickly move onto doing what best utilizes Miller and Marshall and Wilson and the others.  But first things first.   

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CowCat's picture

I had the same thought.  Braxton rules, but some of the designed plays for him seemed forced and predictable, rather than the play just seeming like any other play.  They can use Braxton as much as a decoy as a featured player.

It's when defenses don't know where the ball is going that the offense will open up.  Our receivers really need to improve on deep routes for that to happen.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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TShell's picture

One of the announcers for the first few games, don't remember who, said it looks like they are trying to force big plays to happen instead of running the offense and letting them happen through the course of the normal offense. I think that's a pretty accurate observation through these last 2 weeks, although the normal offense has been anything but normal so far.

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Ole Buckeye's picture

I think Matt Millen said this during the Hawaii game.

I have thought several times that they're calling the plays Thursday evening and not paying enough attention to what they are seeing on the field.  I also think (and I know it probably wouldn't work), when you get a 2 or 3 man front, and they have the rest of the defense flexed 4 or 5 yards off the line of scrimmage, just run "The Dave" and linemen,  just go forward as hard as you can.  I mean, no dancing, no hesitation,  just run your goal line offense and get 5 or 6 yards....

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

I really like how Urban isn't worried about hurting feelings.  He is going to make decisions to best help the whole.  Things are going to look better Saturday and will continue to improve until we hoist a trophy January 11, 2016!

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Kurt's picture

Sort of sounds like what I was hoping for: get Tim Beck more involved in the play calling and game planning.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

To me, it seems that the Urbanator has found exactly the antidote for ails the Bucks' offense right now. Your OC needs to be in the Pressbox; your QB coach needs to be with his charges; UFM needs to issue the papal bull when necessary to clarify a strategy.

Also, the offensive line is experienced enough now that I think they can handle the 3- and 4-man fronts + stunts without Coach Warinner having to hover over them on the sidelines. This focus on offensive strategy has to be total, and with clearly understood roles by staff as well as team.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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CowCat's picture

I think the way it pans out is Meyer and Warriner communicating a thought upstairs, and Beck will give them feedback based on the alignments he sees and can offer alternatives.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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awlinBrutus's picture

He never said warinner would be going up stairs, as I read it the plays need to be coming from upstairs and Tim Beck has been here long enough. OL coach needs to be on the sidelines imo.

"We're looking into some of that. Ed Warinner's — it's not like it's a demotion or something like that," Meyer said. "And Tim's been here long enough. The way it would work I would say Tim or Dan Mullen or Tom Herman, run this, run this, and it's boom, and we're on the same page and we're going.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

"If we go jet tempo, that's got to be from upstairs, because you can't see anything from down there," Meyer said. "So those are all things we're going to get cleaned up."

Agree on the ambiguity, AB, but I still think it will pan out with Warriner in the pressbox.

Opinions and bellybuttons... ;-)

Edit: GA Jim Cordle should be able to help with the OL on the sidelines while Warinner is upstairs.

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PATTBuckeye's picture

Glad to hear. It's good to know we can react to the opposing defense and make adjustments, but we are #1. We will set the tone and we will make the defense react! Get the ball in the right hands, create a rhythm & crush the opposition. 

The difficult we do at once, the impossible takes a bit longer.
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krodawg's picture

Meyer is on a mission. I like it. It will be addressed; it will get fixed.

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RodeyBuck's picture

I know in my heart that he will get this fixed.  Still I can't help but feel like... this is NOT how this season was supposed to go!!!  lol

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Making adjustments with new coordinators and defining roles can be tricky. Urbz will figure it out. 

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oztintacius's picture

Cardale's YPA in 2014/Playoffs was above 9.0 . Cardale's YPA against VT was still above 9.0 with a QBR of 95.

12-Gauge simple has not "brought it" mentally for Hawaii and NIU. Simple as that. He didn't forget how to play football against the dregs of the schedule, and he wasn't lucky for 4 straight games.

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Kurt's picture

Ugh...the 'we're just not executing argument.'  If that were the case Meyer would've just said that.  It's clearly not, which is why they're digging deeper.

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stantmann's picture

Maybe Cardale is an indoor player, feels more comfortable in domes, where the weather is not a factor  -or- He is in shock because he realized you don't get a trophy after every game

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My2Sons's picture

Maybe nobody KNEW Cardale before, and now they have had 9 months to watch tape.  Maybe Cardale is better coming off the bench.

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ohiobobg's picture

"12-Gauge simple has not "brought it" mentally for Hawaii and NIU"

And JT?

"you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning"

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eclectic_tastes's picture

Which begs the question of whether or not the play calls

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

Whatever UFM decides for play calling duties, I know one thing for sure, Warrener needs all his time and attention focused on the offensive line so they can get back to last years form via our offense revolves around the power run game. That is all.....

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ESQ_BUCK's picture

"If you look historically what an Ohio State offense is for us, it's control the line of scrimmage, best perimeter blocking in America, which we had last year, and a very good, solid playaction passing attack. That's not what's going on. So we're going to get that fixed."

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AzBuckeye45's picture

He said, "Things will get better." Good enough for now, IMO. We are still 3-0.

"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
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nm_buck's picture

Amazing that so many people are questioning the coaching. Some people even called for Tim Beck to be demoted/fired/neutered this week. 

Last year at this time we already had a loss and we were questioning both the offense AND the defense. Hell Penn St gave us all we could handle last year... and that was more than halfway through the season. People were calling Herman everything in the book... and questioning if he was as smart as advertised.

Calm down and trust the coaches.

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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brylee's picture

same folks were yelling for fickell's head last year.

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IDGADFTWSOM's picture

If I could upvote this ten times I would.  In Urban I trust!

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armybucknut's picture

The Head Coach Ohio's own UFM has got this. We will see improvement this week.

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ohiobobg's picture

The meetings between Urbs, Warriner & Beck this week. Well..... all the flies on the wall died.

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jralvarez's picture

Who was the new hire?  Beck.   Which unit is having the most trouble?  In Urbs I trust.

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Ole Buckeye's picture

running back coach is new, too, right?

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Love614todeath's picture

Glad to head . I really wish we didn't lose the old coordinator honestly tho .

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QuercusAlba's picture

This is encouraging. 

...as long as nobody believes that Urban just waved the magic wand and fixed everything by saying a few words. Don't expect all the problems to disappear overnight, and be prepared for more offensive woes vs Western Michigan.  Hope for the best, expect the worst, I say.

"I say let us give them all they want; not a word of argument, not a sign of let up, no cave in till we are whipped or they are."
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RickyJ's picture

Forgive me whoever it was that already mentioned this but I noticed on a couple of the picks we had vs NIU that the intended target was Braxton.  One could also see defenders clustered all around him.  College pass defenders are playing for a reason  (they are great) but I don't think they are good enough to be in 2 spots at the same time.  In other words "if all those guys are around our 1 guy then somebody else out there for us is most likely running free and open."  In fact, on all of the picks there was a player wide open albeit in the short flat.  We have all heard it before. "Take what the defense gives you."  If these teams want to go fanatical on us and dream up junk defenses and whatnot to contain our down field explosiveness then let them.  We can just dink and dunk-em to death along with a steady dose of Zeke.  Sooner or later they will have to move people up.  Lets just play basic O and get into some consistency.  Braxton lit up VT and the nation but now everybody is out to ensure they don't end up on a Braxton Miller highlight reel.  Once the ball is spread to other guys and done logically then Braxton will fit in all by himself and silently.  Just what we need him to do.  People need to be cautious at our offensive prodding.  The bomb went off in East Lansing last year and who saw that coming?  The drunks up there are still looking at their bottles and what they drank after seeing that massacre.

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mugbucket's picture

Right on.  

One pick specifically to Brax was in double coverage and an arms length behind (12 Gauge's 2nd I think).  Yeah, we want #1 to break ankles, but how can you have your pudding if you don't eat your meat?  Coach Meyer understands this and has said as much about returning to our strengths.  

Looking forward to improvement and another win.

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Ole Buckeye's picture

I thought JT's pick was a VanNett target.

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Buckeyebrowny919's picture

It's unfortunate but this was my stated biggest concern going into this season. The offense operated so efficiently partly bc of the play calling. It definitely has not been there so far this year. I, along with everyone else, hope this is remedied immediately

"It's so easy to be average...to HELL WITH THAT" - Urban Meyer

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SouthernBuckeye85's picture

I can't help but think Urbs is going to unleash holy hell onto his coaching staff and most of the offense. Hopefully he lights a fire under some asses. 

Here's my question... Over/Under 56 points?? 

My guess is over.

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Tresselball4life's picture

Tressel would love to be offensive coordinator and yes he does win.

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Qujo's picture

Amen UFM. I kind of worried about the departure of Hermann. However if Warriner is who Urban wanted running the offense who am I to argue. I believe the calls have to come out of the press box. Warriner might be an ok offensive coordinator but someone needs to see the field better than Warriner from the sidelines. Mullen was in the box, Herman was in the box. Why is Warriner on the sidelines? Was it a mistake to give the OC to someone that needs to be on the sideline coaching the Slobs?

The other perspective I have is that I doubt we have opened our offense to the extent it will be opened up. We aren't running Eze as much to preserve him for B1G games and playoffs. Braxton will get better in his new role. The key comes down to QB and getting one of them more consistent and I think there needs to be some different approach than the current one.

We will be alright but until we start to see it turn around it sure makes on scratch his head....

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harleymanjax's picture

#FireEverybody 

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BoilerBuck's picture

The coaches live what they want the players to learn - selfish contribution towards the ultimate goal.  It's impressive that Urban can make these changes publicly and keep egos in check.  Certainly, some staffs might grumble - loudly - about their roles and how they are being perceived, but I don't sense that here.  The message seems to be one of constant improvement and that's a great focus.

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

Good to know coach is as irritated as we are. Switch it up and do whatever you have to do before the ship sinks...

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JoeAndSo's picture

I like the idea of taking the play calling duties away from Warriner, at least long enough to get the O-Line stronger.  I don't think it's a coincidence that, virtually, the same O-Line as last year is struggling when their coach has other duties.

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