Terrell Hall - The "Things" That Happened

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Get well soon Mrs.Naut 6-0 > 3-6.

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LouBuck35's picture

Perfection.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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Redlegs1000's picture

Really wish I could see this post at work. 105 UV's gotta be worth it.

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jeremytwoface's picture

It's a little girl giving the peace sign...

It's basically the perfect picture. Well done.

And when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of boooooooooze!! And we'll drink to old Ohio 'till we wobble in our shoes.

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BeatTTUN's picture

Dude that is spectacular
Happy to say I was your 130th UV
That has to be a record

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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chicagobuckeye's picture

For UVs on one post?

Its not

What if you don't hear YOLO anymore because everyone who use to say it died?

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BeatTTUN's picture

Dude is at 174
Is that the record?

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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BeatTTUN's picture

Rdubs

Plus Jalin made all of them clowns cry when he went off vs Indiana

Thanks for the assist Dude

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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chicagobuckeye's picture

Of course.

Just remembered this being a question a couple weeks back, so only knew it from there.

What if you don't hear YOLO anymore because everyone who use to say it died?

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DefendYoungstown's picture

The truth will set you free...

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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OkayIllbethe12th's picture

Yep, that's insulting.

"They're gonna have skill at the skilled positions where guys have great skill sets." - Brady Hoke

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WedgeSplitter's picture

I would try to not take it personally when it comes from a teenager. Chances are good it will be one of the scenarios like Urban told Von Bell: one way or another we will be seeing you in the playoffs. Let's go Bucks.

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BuckInChicago's picture

Thanks for the insight, unfortunate given that I had thought he had bought in for the Buckeyes previously.  I'd rather have his spot go to someone who wants to be in Columbus, than someone who pulls things like that... and sorry but the 'he's 17' thing only goes so far.  Next man up.

"Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it." Woody Hayes

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NutBuckz's picture

yep, and better now than after getting a scholly

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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CALPOPPY's picture

Wow. Not a good look. I can't fault him for wanting to explore other options...but just be respectful of others.

Memento mori

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Oyster's picture

Blowing off the planned events was wrong, but as for him wearing Bama gear?  I can recall many around here getting a good chuckle when recruits wore OSU colors to other schools.  The shoe is on the other foot now.

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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ClintS307's picture

The shoe is on the other foot now.

Which is on the table that has now been turned...

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0H-10's picture

And if it fits, wear it...

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aboynamedtracy's picture

A well fitting table is hard to find.

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0H-10's picture
You have to look in the right places...

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buckeyenut74's picture

Well clint, Ohio State will be fine. While it is too bad he decided to go elsewhere and I do wish him the best of luck, The Ohio State University is far larger than one person and will move on and still have a top 5 class.

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

I can recall many around here getting a good chuckle when recruits wore OSU colors to other schools.

Do you have an example of this?  I recall many recruits wearing OSU gear to camps, but not to recruiting visits at other schools that they were committed to.

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Thedrw's picture

Mo Clarret allegedly not only wore OSU gear to Michigan (he visited when they played us), but he allegedly left his seat and went to root for us near other OSU fans.

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Not sure this site was around when Clarett was doing that.  I didn't know he did that, though, thanks!

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MacG91's picture

That's not the same. Mo wasn't committed to UM like Hall was to OSU. Now if hall was a Bama commit and wore that to OSU it would be different, but he wasn't. 

Mac..yeah

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WedgeSplitter's picture

Awesome. Just when I thought I couldn't love Mo any more than I already did.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Was Mo Clarret committed to Michigan when he wore OSU gear on his visit to Michigan?

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theopulas's picture

thats the best you got... one incident 15 years ago...?

Theopulas

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Rob Reese's picture

 Do you have an example of this?  

Weird.  Don't recall one of those he's talking about either, aside from maybe Tyler Green?  He was an OSU commit, and wore his gear to Michigan and popped a block-O.  He wasn't a UM commit though. He was a solid for tOSU.  

EDIT:  Just saw that my man John Cooper's Lucky Pig posted it below, already.
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SilverState's picture

Do you have an example of this?  I recall many recruits wearing OSU gear to camps, but not to recruiting visits at other schools that they were committed to.

Oyster? Any examples?

*crickets* 

"Year for what?"

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Knarcisi's picture

I believe those kids were already Ohio State commits or heavy leans. Hall was a commit to Ohio State.  That's different. 

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Oyster's picture

Hall was a commit to Ohio State.

I thinking that he wasn't by the time FNL happened, he just hadn't told anyone officially.

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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Knarcisi's picture

Apparently so. Another no no. 

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dubjayfootball90's picture

Knarcisi delivering the TRUTH today

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

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osu07asu10's picture

Man Oyster, that comment really brought out your { Fans }

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CALPOPPY's picture

but as for him wearing Bama gear

Actually, I was about to post something in response to SL that this aspect doesn't actually bother me. And yes, our recruits have worn Buckeye gear to other official visits.

I agree that the worst thing was that he would blow off the academic tours and not being honest about his other trips. I cannot blame him for looking at other schools or even deciding that another school is more his fit. Just be respectful of other people.

Edit: I'll also say that I bet he learns from this experience and doesn't pull something like this again. Hopefully he has parents or mentors that will explain why it is not a good idea to handle the situation in this fashion. Ultimately, he'll be much better off in life if he can learn to say 'no'. It would have been much easier for him to say 'no thanks' to the OSU staff rather than trying to avoid everything in order to get out of the situation.

Memento mori

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buckeyeguy0615's picture

Hopefully he has parents or mentors that will explain why it is not a good idea to handle the situation in this fashion. 

They're the ones who allowed him to do it in the first place. 

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CALPOPPY's picture

They're the ones who allowed him to do it in the first place. 

Maybe. He could have told parents/mentors that he was going to decommit...but that doesn't mean that they would have known he was going to lie to the OSU coaching staff or that he would have worn the Bama shirt to the OSU facilities. Depending on when he arrived in Columbus, they might not have known about skipping the academic tours. I don't know.

Again, I don't think it was good for Hall, but I've said so many stupid things for which my parents were mortified and some were plain insulting to others (without intending to be insulting). I sure learned from those mistakes, though, and I still get embarrassed about things I said 20 years ago. I'm not even going to say that OSU should still recruit him hard. Just saying that it's possible that his parents might not have known all of this. Honestly, I believe that even Nick Saban would sit him and tell him it doesn't look good to do what he did. It certainly could be a learning experience for him.

Memento mori

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

I think I recall guys wearing OSU gear to camp events but not to actual visits. 

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MacG91's picture

It's not the same tho. Hall was committed to OSU and wore Bama gear to OSU. The other kids were either uncommitted or OSU commits visiting other schools. 

Mac..yeah

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

I agree with you.  I was basically saying that wearing gear from another school to a visit is pretty messed up.

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Boxley's picture

Yes, but were they already commited recruits?  There is a big difference between  an uncommitted recruit wearing opposing colors, then thee is with a committed recruit. Wearing Bama stuff at OSU while being a OSU commit! c,mon that is just low class.

Also heard he was talking up Bama to recruits at our FNL event, that is even more classless.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

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Overbuck's picture

The shoe is on the other foot now.

Na, it's on the banks of the Olentangy 

"If you go to Alabama you're going to be seeing me anyway. You might as well ride with us to the game" - UFM

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Oyster, you're exactly right. We find it hilarious when our recruits do it, and now it happened to us. The salty taste left in our mouths stems from it being a committed player to us, wearing the gear from a chief recruiting rival, on our campus. It doesn't mean he's a bad kid, it just means there won't be any love loss. 

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Rob Reese's picture

Oyster, you're exactly right. We find it hilarious when our recruits do it, and now it happened to us. 

I agree with your premise, but not entirely the same thing.  Committed recruits wearing gear of program they're committed to is almost expected and happens in every camp.  Wearing a rival's gear to your own program's facilities/events you've committed to is a little snarky. 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Yeah, that's what the rest of my comment said. 

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Rob Reese's picture

Ah.  Was a little confusing.  My bad.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

No worries. It probably wasn't the best worded comment, but my lingering thought on Hall after that stunt is like old dude to Wyatt Earp in Tombstone - ( ( ( "Bye." ) ) )  

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

I can recall many around here getting a good chuckle when recruits wore OSU colors to other schools.  The shoe is on the other foot now.

If a stray dog shits in your neighbors yard, its funny.  If he shits in your yard, not so much.

I suppose Bama fans are getting a good chuckle.

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southernstatesbuckeye's picture

Good for them.  They desperately need a little humor right now.  They have been broken, humiliated, and crapped upon by those mean Buckeyes.

So Bama...you go girl!

I like cookies.

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CowCat's picture

"You go girl". LOL

If I could upvote this by 1000 I would.  But what would Phillis from Mulga do with such advice?

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Seattle Linga's picture

Thanks Birm ------ and I thought showing up in Blue was bad. Classless move showing up in bama gear especially when you are still committed to the Defending Champions - his day is coming.

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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RK84's picture

The bailing on the academic side of things, thats not just screwing with the football program, but youre now involving the University as whole and the time of people outside of the game of recruiting. Playing around with Bama shirts and bad attitudes is one thing, wasting the time of people that could have spent that on other students is another IMO more disrespectful thing altogether.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

It's different.  He wasn't committed to Michigan, he was committed to OSU.

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Oakland Buckeye's picture

Birm says he was indeed committed 

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Seattle Linga's picture

Come on Coop - much different scenario brother - BGSU's comment is spot one. 

+1 to counter the DV

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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John Cooper's lucky pig's picture

I can see your angle, gentlemen, but it's semantics to me. UFM says a commitment simply means top-3. UFM says recruiting is over when they sign on the dotted line. If that is the mindset of the top man, then what does a "commitment" really mean?

I agree it's not the best look and it might be in poor taste but this is what recruiting has become.

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SilverState's picture

Did Tyler Green have UM in his top 3?

"Year for what?"

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LawClub's picture

Big difference.  Just a lack of respect to handle it that way.  Passing it off as "that's what recruiting has become" is like saying "everybody does it" always has been: Not true and a bogus excuse.

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Jeremy Birmingham's picture

Tyler was at UM for a team camp, did not work out, and was committed to OSU. 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I know that we'd take him if he came back, but good riddance. I don't wish him ill, just that what he did is one of those "actions have consequences" moments. And,  one consequence is that Bucks fans will follow his playing days closely, be it here or there. The chief difference is which outcome they'll be hoping for... 

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Rob Reese's picture

  Bucks fans will follow his playing days closely, be it here or there. 

Some truth here. ^

Remember this guy? 

In a recent interview with Bleacher Report, McDermott told a story about the time he turned down Meyer and Ohio State in person. According to the Hurricanes' commit, Meyer "looked like he was a baby about to cry. The Urban Meyer thing was just funny to me. He came to my school a week after I told his assistant that I wasn't even interested in them," McDermott said. "I told him no to his face, and it's got to be one of the top five reactions of someone ever. His facial expression was just so funny. My coach was tearing up and had to go in his office and laugh."

All class.   100% perfect fit for those tools in Miami.

Side note; Urban seemed to recover okay, though.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Awesome link, RR. I don't doubt that men like Urban don't like hearing "no" in those situations, much less when they're expecting to hear a "yes."  But, I would have to say that this kid is a fool if he's not looking at where Ohio State and Miami are, respectively, and rethinking his decision.

Urban Meyer and AL Golden are on markedly different career paths. 

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Redlegs1000's picture

If I had my phone on me I could tweet him and ask. But I left my phone in a better pair of pants. It was a huge mistake that I'll regret the rest of my day.

"If the NBA was on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love on channel 4, I'd watch the the frogs, even if they were coming in fuzzy." ~ Bob Knight

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

What a big, ugly galute.  As the author of that article barely notes at the end, there's a (good) chance that KC's account just might be skewed.  Can't imagine a kid from West Palm Beach who was committed to the "U" would have a glowing perspective of the man that ran college football in the state of Florida.

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

I remember, RR.  Good call.  Now I have another name ( T. Hall ) to add to my "BOO" list.

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CowCat's picture

Hopefully he's a Miami 2002 Flag-whiner.  Woulda, coulda, shoulda ... have fun with that!

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Brutus865's picture

I don't believe he would disrespect Larry Johnson like that 

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ap2538's picture

Just a young kid, everyone makes mistakes.

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Knarcisi's picture

Mmm, sorry, no pass there, even for a kid. Most of that is about honesty and accountability. And the wearing of the Bama gear is just plain blatant and stupid. 

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Buckeytrips's picture

Big "IF" but IF I was the coach I would have pulled the scholly right then and there. First thing, it was planned (obviously) because he packed his own bag. 2nd what a slap in the face to UM, LJ and THE OSU and Buckeynation. Do kids make mistakes "YES" but this was no mistake. 

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Knarcisi's picture

I figure just talk to him and let him de-commit. Saves face for us and for him. 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Agreed. An intentional insult. He packed it, brought it with and then chose to wear it.  Plenty of opportunity to rethink it.

He'll learn from it as he matures, but the biggest teachable moment is for him to see his actions had consequences and what he does is visible and will shape what people say/think about him (good or bad).

He'll obviously get his 2nd chance elsewhere but with the glut of high talent and high character players out there, the staff can chose players who are already mature and not chance one who's done that.

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Redlegs1000's picture

Maybe next time he wears Alabama gear to an OSU function, it'll be to see Zeke run 85 yards passed him through the heart of the south.

"If the NBA was on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love on channel 4, I'd watch the the frogs, even if they were coming in fuzzy." ~ Bob Knight

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Wearing Bama gear and being aloof.
Hope he enjoyed his visit to Columbus. Ohio State isn't for every athlete. Bama isn't for Buckeyes.

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Scuba_Steve's picture

I'm getting on Twitter now and telling him how I really feel about his change of mind!  Plus, we never wanted him anyway.

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Hovenaut's picture

Re-emphasizing best wishes to Terrell Hall.

Now moving forward with our Buckeyes, present and future.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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bucknut8's picture

Showing up to the WHAC wearing Bama gear while being committed to OSU and visiting OSU is really really disrespectful! Wow cant believe he actually had the balls to do that! 

I dont even want him now. Next man up! 

#Buckeyes

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when Urban saw that.

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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Jeremy Birmingham's picture

As far as I know that situation was remedied before Urban was made aware of it.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Thanks for the response. Probably best thing for Mr. Hall that was the case.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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gumtape's picture

Some recruits are a "must-get". Birm as always is a "must-read".

High and tight boo boo

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Katzfan's picture

Wish I could upvote this ^^^^^^^^

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BuckeyeSouth's picture

Why can't you?  It's a free country, go for it.

Champions.  Undisputed.  

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gumtape's picture

Reasons you can't upvote:

1. You are in 11w Jail

2. You don't have 100 helmet stickers

3. You are trying to upvote a staff comment.

Since the user has 200+ stickers, I assume he is referring to Birm's response and not mine. It just looks like he is talking about mine because of the ^^^^^^

High and tight boo boo

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Katzfan's picture

I was indeed referring to Birm's comment but I up voted you "because I can". :). Good advice...

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Buck298's picture

Why would someone DV you? Seems odd. 

Send the Earth Reverberating

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Aportis0214's picture

If I was Urban I would have tied him down to a chair and made him watch the Sugar Bowl 5 times on a continuous loop.

The Life Of PABLO

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Defiance's picture

Wow cant believe he actually had the balls to do that!  

I'm not sure that's a case of the balls to do it as much as it is the lack of respect to NOT do it! 

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Any chance he was wearing a 2015 Sugar Bowl Champs Bama shirt as a joke?  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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OSUlaw11's picture

Let him go. We're stacked and can use his Scholly elsewhere. I only want players who want to be Buckeyes

Don’t put all my eggs in one basket? Nice try, basket industry.

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buckeye phi's picture

Agreed!

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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buckeyenut74's picture

Right on, I know they had offered Cupp before hall pulled his stunt but Cupp chose to go to fnl, worked his butt off as he wanted to be a Buckeye....that my friends is the kind of kids you want at Ohio State.

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OSU069's picture

Wish him luck but after reading that I don't want him. 2 of them I can understand somewhat as a kid making some minor mistakes. But the last one is just extremely disrespectful. And blowing off academic people? That is just wasting other people's time outside of the football program.Go have fun at Bama. 

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Stuff like this just makes me mad the "adults" around a prospect. His advisors are failing him if they're letting him roll like that. Kid is obviously insanely talented if OSU would take him back, so I hope he gets his circle straightened out before they pilfer him and lead him astray.

Edit: Specifically talking about how he handled his decommitment, not the actual decommitment. Croots will be croots, after all.

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CALPOPPY's picture

Yep. I posted this above, but I bet that he will learn something from this. However, that depends on whether he has parents or mentors that will help him realize that this is not a good look. I suspect someone will talk to him about it.

I did some pretty stupid stuff trying to avoid saying 'no' (not the same situation, but the same intent, if you will). So I get it. But I hope he learns from the situation.

Memento mori

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osu07asu10's picture

I think you nailed it DJ. We're still talking about kids (or #teens) and these reactions are to be expected. However, you can damn sure bet that Papa 07/10 wouldn't let me blow off people who have set aside their time for me, or disrespect a staff that for all we know was nothing but good to him.

Like CP said, all I hope is that but Hall and his inner circle learn from this and don't take the same missteps again.

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StrongBuck's picture

So true 710. Not showing up on Thursday was a bad look but wearing Bama gear to the Whac is disrespectful. I always give kids the benefit of the doubt, but at 17 and soon to be Senior in HS? No excuses. This mistake is all on Hall. 

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LawClub's picture

^^^This.  Sorry, DJ, adults may be wrong, too but 17 or 77, he did this and it's on him.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

We're still talking about kids (or #teens) and these reactions are to be expected.

Grandma always said, "Be careful making big life decisions before you're 30, 'cause you aren't really playing with a full deck."  The older I get, the more convinced I am she was right.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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So aMaysn's picture

I second this. Scariest part of the whole thing is how can the adults allow him to behave like that?

You never should burn bridges like this even if word is we would take him back. 

GO BUCKS!

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theopulas's picture

the way these recruits are treated, some feel they are to big and the people around them don't correct them maybe because of future reasons... maybe their is know one that will tell him, even his parents... just a thought, but I surly could be wrong.

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thunderhawks51's picture

While all this is very disrespectful, keep in mind that he is a 16 year old kid with a still developing brain before we make any negative comments. I know I hadn't handled every situation with the proper couth. 

With that being said, you can't really blame the staff for distancing itself after being treated like that. I hope he has success in life wherever he lands and he learns from this experience. 

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brunstar's picture

While all this is very disrespectful, keep in mind that he is a 16 year old kid with a still developing brain before we make any negative comments.

I don't think that age and immaturity is a good excuse for this case.  I knew not to lie to people well before I turned 16, and if I was a committed player at a school I wouldn't show up to that school's football camp wearing another team's colors (especially if that other team just got it's ass kicked by the school I was committed to).

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thunderhawks51's picture

I think age and immaturity have everything to do with poor choices. You're telling me that you never lied after the age of 16 even though you knew it was wrong? It's easy to say what you would and wouldn't do when some of the largest brands in the country aren't trying to woo you. I'm not saying what he did is right or that it should be forgotten, but people need to ease up and stop taking it personally. 

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StrongBuck's picture

My son went through the recruiting process and he would've never done something as rude as wearing a competitors gear for a visit. No excuses, that mistake is on Hall. 

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aboynamedtracy's picture

Maybe we should give him a trophy...

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brunstar's picture

That would definitely boost his self esteem because I don't think that he'll win one at Bama.

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socalbuck2014's picture

Who goes to bama for a week long visit? Sec bagmen are obviously responsible for this one. Easy sell after Bosa committed. Ultimately his loss. Ohio state didnt need 3 de's this year anyway.

Pay it forward

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LouBuck35's picture

Can we pretty, pretty, pretty please stop with the "SEC bagmen" play everytime a #teen chooses a school south of the Mason-Dixon?

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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High St Heismans's picture

Didn't the bagmen bail out Saban on some investment/house

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Whoa Nellie's picture

Sounds like he committed on his trip to Bama. FNL was just going through the motions.

Still, how can you disrespect Larry Johnson and Urban Meyer.  smh

“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

+1 for Johnny Utah.  Great tOSU QB.

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elitesmithie's picture

I love the fact that recruits have to go to Alabama now to get quicker playing time due to lack of depth compared to us

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CC's picture

Awesome post.  I hadn't thought of that but it's so true!

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bennyhana311's picture

Didn't I read that he had "the utmost respect for the program?"

Apparently, we have different definitions of the word respect.

Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it.
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mstevens's picture

I wouldn't mind if OSU just completely cut contact with him. I get that he's a kid and they make mistakes but it sounds like he was a jerk for pretty much the entirety of his visit. We have Cooper and Bosa, which is a hell of a haul at DE, we don't need this kid or his childish antics.

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Alhan's picture

I think I've seen Harbaugh go through those expressions before.

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MacG91's picture

It's like sitting next to your wife or girlfriend and texting a new girl you just met right in front of them. Total disrespect and ignorance. 

Mac..yeah

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LawClub's picture

And not something a person of character does, no matter their age.

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Buckeyebrowny919's picture

I understand why kids need to do what is best for them, but for a school that seems to be waiting on you hand and feet to show your importance to them...he was acting completely disrespectful. Completely handled the wrong way by him.

"It's so easy to be average...to HELL WITH THAT" - Urban Meyer

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Buck68's picture

so now, what 'kid' from any place does not know 'the signs of our times'?

cred, respect, gimme, get, buzz, 'my' ...'whatever'

TODAY...the whole world has evolved so far, so much, that who does not 'get it' that your colors are who you say you are?  And, anyone in your hood better be wearing your colors... on pain of....

So, what is unusual here, is how our coaches and our players treated this kid, despite how he was treating them.  So, for Ohio State players and coaches, it was an opportunity to demonstrate this "integrity" of which they speak.  And one remark, one foto, one soundbite... can smear all that effort to demonstrate integrity...for no man ever 'owns'... integrity.

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NavyBuck64's picture

A legend from the old days over at the O-Zone has been reborn like the phoenix (have fun with that one, B68).  Welcome back!

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

I'm so confused ...

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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GA_bucki's picture

Not confusing and convoluted enough to be the real Buck68. Good try tho.

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Cooper's picture

I'm just going to go with young and lack of perspective at the time. In a couple years, he'll probably wish he may have handled a thing or two differently, as we are all wont to do at that age.

Best of luck to him.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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zeeman60657's picture

Three words.  Next Man Up.

Zeeman60657

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

"OSU would still take him if he wanted to come back, but they won't chase."

Can't fathom why. If it's like this already out of the gate. I like what Urbz said: Don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution"

Next man up......I can't emphasize that enough.

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

Unfortunately for these kids, they don't quite grasp that the internet never forgets in this day and age, and it is also unfortunate that his character is a huge target based on what went down with the whole Bama shirt in the WHAC. Sometimes, kids make it harder on themselves than they need.

"OSU would still take him if he wanted to come back, but they won't chase." - I'm glad we are not chasing, because it points to the fact that they gave him the red carpet treatment, and that should be what matters here. He didn't think tOSU was for him, so good luck Mr. Hall. He left with wise words on his twitter, and he had his reasons for choosing Bama. It's good that we took the high road.

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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theopulas's picture

I think the staff is just taking the high road. I don't think there is any chance they would take him, and wouldn't be surprised if they asked for his D.O.R.

Theopulas

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tunehtraef's picture

I agree with some, as I read the list of "transgressions", the wearing of Bama gear to the school you're committed to is the one that bothers me the most.

You lie/falsify what you tell the staff about a visit, that's immature and not showing integrity/honesty, but we are talking about a kid, blowing off the academic tour shows me you are not really concerned about that side because you have made up your mind to go elsewhere (his choice, he gets the right to choose whatever is best for him and I wouldn't fault a kid for choosing whichever school they see as right, it's not my decision to make), but to slap the staff in the face by wearing another schools "gear" to their camp while being committed to that school is disrespectful to the school and staff.

His tweet said he respected both coach Meyer and Johnson, deliberately wearing another schools clothing to their camp while being an Ohio State "commit" shows the exact opposite of that.

On to the next... Go Bucks!

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Bigmarty's picture

Anyone have an opinion on how this may affect getting Jackson...Lawrence or another DT we are recruiting?????

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bd2999's picture

I wold not think it would make much of a difference. Unless they wanted to be a package deal or something.

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osu407's picture

Now we know why he performed so well at FNL as noted by several reports... He had SEC speed. 

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apack614's picture

It's insulting to see good people like Coach Meyer and Coach Johnson, plus anyone else involved in recruiting put the time and effort in to a kid that is { Committed } for him to go behind everyone's back and do this. I'm not mad at the kid but his mentors that are helping him make decisions should've told him to be honest with tOSU about what he had planned with Bama. Committed doesn't mean quite the same thing it used to.

Earle for MOD in 16', it'll be the last best thing to ever happen to him.

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camcop71's picture

I was wondering what had done to irk the staff when I read the Hurry Up last night. Sounds like he was trying to do enough to get tOSU to pull his offer so they would look like the bad guys. Wonder if that was advice he received?
Thanks for the background Birm!

"I was tired of trying to work my way around the back so I just ran him over.” -Joey Bosa, PSU 10/25/14

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HandsOfSweed's picture

I tried to care about this. But I just couldn't. Meh.

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tcm1968's picture

Glad he's heading somewhere else. The Bama gear, and wanting to make sure he made the right choice is just "stuff' to me. The thing that sets off an alarm to me is missing the scheduled tour on Thursday. That speaks to the character of a person. I dislike Saban and Bama as much as the next person but he won't put up with that stuff either. Not going to surprise me one bit to see Hall end up someplace other than OSU or Bama...

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Maka's picture

Thanks for sharing Birm.  If he didnt want to be at FNL, why show up at all?  I just dont understand the blatant disrespect to the staff and program.  Is he simply that naive?

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ZMBucks's picture

This^^^. If you are going to blow off things that have been set up specifically for you and purposefully try to rep another program while you are still committed to another, why even bother coming? I think he thought it would be funny, and maybe he could use this to get to other recruits to turn the tide away from OSU. Just disrespectful in many ways. 

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gobucks96's picture

Great point. Just call and say you changed your mind and want to explore your options. Don't get it.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Recruiting and talent evaluation is an inexact science. Urban and company are among the best in the business at evaluating talent, but even they will occasionally miss on kids - too high, or too low. 

Well, when you see a pattern of behavior like this - especially blowing off the academic presentation - it doesn't mean that Hall will necessarily be a lackadaisical student, or have poor practice habits, but it does raise the probability that he won't exactly be John Simonish.

For that reason, I'm less bummed about this defection than I was yesterday. Hall might turn out to be a major stud, but he now looks "on paper" like less of a "sure thing." 

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

"O, what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive!"

--- Sir Walter Scott

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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CALPOPPY's picture

"O, what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive!"

--- Sir Walter Scott Jim Harbaugh

Memento mori

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Seattle Linga's picture

--- Sir Walter Scott Crazy Jim Harbaugh

#nuttinbuttcrazyjim

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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CALPOPPY's picture

Nice #nuttinbut, SL.

Wait, did you mean to put two 't's' on but? If so, that changes everything.

Memento mori

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Seattle Linga's picture

Agreed 2 TT's on the end of a but would be a little unusual

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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EnonBuck79's picture

Thanks for the explanation of what happened Birm. It's a shame, but Urbans 2016 Buckeye recruiting express moves on.I'm all aboard for whomever the coaching staff chooses for this mighty locomotive.

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branelijah's picture

Shows you plenty about his character, doesn't it...

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teddyballgame's picture

Welp.  That info doesn't get released if they really want him back/think they can get him back. 

Cliffs:
We are never ever getting back together.

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Kid Buckeye's picture

Take him back???????  no way he is a Buckeye now. If the coaches saw his Bama gear you know the recruits and players saw the gear also and that lends to a pain in the ass player.

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waterswave's picture

It bothers me that an adult would allow this to occur. 

I wonder what Saban thinks about this.  It's not a good look if he's representing Alabama. 

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I don't understand why he even came to FNL then. Why not just de-commit and cancel the trip? Oh well, best of luck to him. As much as I love the Buckeyes, I can't imagine that the depth at Bama along the DLine is easier to overcome than it is at OSU. They both recruit elite level talent with NFL aspirations. Hope Hall does well, but Bama does not.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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1989DuckDuckGooseChampion's picture

He came here to see the trophy one last time. He knows by going to another school he will never get that close to it again.

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otrain2416's picture

He must have enjoyed that Alabama didn't make him take an academic tour

We were born to love Ohio State and hate that team up north.

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blocko330's picture

Wow that's not a good look at all... kind of shocking to me actually.  He seemed to be all about playing at tOSU with Cooper and Bosa and having the best DLine in the country, etc.

“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”

- TruthTeller

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SilverState's picture

Yeah, kinda shocked me too.

"Year for what?"

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blocko330's picture

Thanks Silver, this is exactly what I was referring to.

“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”

- TruthTeller

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Whoa Nellie's picture

But, then he listened to . . .

 

“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Lying to coaches about trip - Strike 1

Not showing up to a tour/academics presentation that people put time and effort into setting up for him - Strike 2

Showing up at the Woody in Bama gear as an OSU commit - Strike 3

Good luck in Tuscaloosa.  Seems like that's where he really wants to be.

Class of 2010.

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Even for a kid ... and I remember all the stupid things I did ... that is really bush league.  I was stupid but not disrespectful at that age.  Of course I was not a highly sought after elite athlete either.

Hopefully he matures and learns some respect and humility.  Best wishes to Mr. Hall.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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buckeye phi's picture

I'm glad Birm cleared that up. In a strange way, I feel much better about the situation now. 

I certainly don't blame him for having second thoughts about his commitment - given that there are now two 5-star defensive ends in the same class - let alone, the guys who are already on the roster.  But that's not really the issue.

I know he's just a kid - but I've been following the recruiting process fairly closely since I first came across Birm's work - and I think it's safe to say most of our recruits have far too much class to pull a series of stunts like that. 

Time to move on.  Hey - the 2016 class was filling up very quickly anyway.  We can surely use the scolarship -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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neo's picture
Adios!

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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Crimson's picture

Normally I'm on the side of the kids, but that was cold.

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DCBucki's picture

1) We are loaded at the DE in this class, so while he is a big loss, we can handle it. I think Bosa and Cooper have more upside and are better suited for our needs. I thought that Hall could be converted to a LB as he seems more athletic.

2) I honestly think he was scared of competition. By having two other STUDS at your position, in your class... it makes you rethink your desire to "fight" for the position. Maybe he thinks somewhere else ('Bama) would be better for him.

3) If he's being disrespectful now, imagine what he'd be like on his own in college. If he doesn't have the heart to be a Buckeye, then maybe this isn't the best place for him.

With all that being said, these are young kids that are getting a lot of attention. Things can be taken the wrong way and we don't know what he's thinking. Wish him the best, but if you ain't with us... you against us!! Go Bucks!!

"The deadliest weapon in the world is a MARINE and his rifle!"
GEN. PERSHING, US.ARMY
 

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bobbyvcp's picture

Best to get rid of the CANCER before it causes more damage....good riddance.

Kauai Buckeye

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JCarp42's picture

Kids change their minds. But it's probably more about Nick Bosa than anything else. 

Bucks Fan in Texas

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Braxton2Devin's picture

What a dick...

And before I get skewered with comments like "he's only 17/18", let me say that I, too, am 17 and I, along with any of my peers who I consider to have good character, would never dream of doing the string of things that he did.

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OSU069's picture

I am also 17 and I completely agree with you. Some of these things are ridiculous and disrespectful. I would never do any of these things and I am far from a perfect child. 

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allbucksallthetime's picture

Birm does it again.  Thank you for NOT posting this until this side of Hall's recruitment got out from another source.  We Buckeye fans need to follow your lead and stay above the fray, as there is FAR too many great things going on in the OSU football program to waste time going negative on any recruit who doesn't want to be here.  

I love our coaching staff and the work they are putting in daily to promote all that is right about OSU AND the state of Ohio.  As for Birm and 11W, NOBODY does it better.  Go Bucks!

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Northbrook's picture

Whether committed to anybody or not, it is rude to wear some other school's gear when visiting a school.

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AlwayzABuckeye614's picture

Wow, at first I was like good luck to him and his future. Now after reading he showed up to the WHAC in a Bama shirt im like, PEACE MOVE THE HELL ON!!!!

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LawClub's picture

Birm,

Can you address why the coaching staff (apparently) wanted the facts of Hall's disrespect to them and OSU out?  Was it out already or done to correct inaccuracies or something else?

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buckguyfan1's picture

Still wish him the best, but bammer gear in Thee WHAC?

Simplify...

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FatChaddie's picture

+1 for the Al Bundy door slam.

"The magic word's rock n' roll, Man!"

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Belliott's picture

So now that you started talking about this, can you speak on the chain of events his commitment to Bama might set in motion that you mentioned on Twitter yesterday?

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Wayward buckeye's picture

 If he was going to leave , he should have done it on Thursday when he didn't come to the academic walkthrough. Blowing that off and then showing up in bama gear was a complete dick move. That was not only a slap in the face to the coaches , but wasting the time of the academic staff was a slap to the university itself.

 To all of the "he is only 18 " people. I served with a lot of 18 to 20 year olds when I was in the navy. I believe that most of them are a lot more "grown up" if you will then people give them credit. I believe he knew what he was doing and didn't care about the out come.

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Special Agent Dale Cooper's picture

He's not 18 though.  And at that young age, every year, hell every 6 months makes the difference.

The 18 year olds you served with were all over 18 and had all already left to cocoon of home and began to be molded and matured by their real world military experiences.  The experience hardened and grew them more than any specific age.

Kids like Hall have not been put in situations like that. They're 16-17 years old and have been fawned at and treated like demi-gods by HS coaches, College coaches, and college fanbases. They are not going to have the same perspective or experience as someone who chose to enter the military.

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countrybuckeye's picture

... and the blame for that I place squarely on me and my generation.  We failed to pass along the wisdom and manors of our upbringing to all. I am reminded daily those who would be "like the son I never had" are few and far between.  

sigh

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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dwcbuckeye's picture

Total D Bag move IMO.  That is very insulting to the coaches and players.  DV if you must, but glad he is gone

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Special Agent Dale Cooper's picture

Kids are super impressionable.  He was at Bama for a full week with his friends Abdul Adams and around a local DC mentor in that recruiting coordinator Bama just promoted.  They had already been hammering him about depth/playing time/priority and while there in their company Bosa committed.  As expected, but perfect timing/storm for Bama to hammer home to Hall that he was Ohio States 3rd choice/3rd priority.

Couple that with Bama having just on other DE in their class, and its easy to see how this went down.

Now obviously, agreeing to spend a week in Bama, he was already all ears to them, probably because of the that recruiting coordinator/DC connection.  I don't have a problem with him going down there.  Should he have told our staff, yes?  But I get that he may have been nervous too or wanted to see how it went down there before he revealed something that could upset our coaching staff.

I do take issue with skipping the Thursday Academic presentation they had set up for him and with wearing the Bama shirt on Saturday morning.

Bottomline is, these are 16-17 year old kids, its their lives, their choices.  Its part of a learning and growing up process. not going to hold a grudge at all.  In fact, short of him playing against Ohio State in a CFP game, I want to see the kid dominate.

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rkylet83's picture

Kids are gonna be kids.  A child-age kid acting childish is never a surprise.  Best of luck to him wherever he wants to go...but I agree with the staff in no longer pursuing.  

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305Buck's picture

Bucknuts just put out a story with quotes from Hall discrediting everything Birm said. 

Knowing the history of Birm and Bucknuts history, I tend to side with Birm when it comes to Buckeye recruiting. 

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Aportis0214's picture

What exactly does he say for "his side" of the story? If he missed the meeting Thursday, there is really no denying that. He's obviously decommitted as well. Is he saying he didn't wear 'Bama clothes? Because I'm sure there are a lot people who saw him wearing it

The Life Of PABLO

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Jeremy Birmingham's picture

I realize that there's reports out there including quotes from the kid himself on these issues, but I stand behind what I'm saying 100% and have it from multiple sources.

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Braxton2Devin's picture

And we firmly believe you, Birm. Hall has character issues.

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bdbrown66's picture

C'ya, kid.  We'll use that scholly for someone who wants to wear the S&G.

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FatChaddie's picture

Damn right!

"The magic word's rock n' roll, Man!"

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redsfanhere's picture

enjoy bama young grasshopper. you want be missed.

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BuckeyeBulleit's picture

Man this is getting ugly and fast. Hall's actions over the FNL were just dumb plain and simple. If he wants to deny them, that's his right too. But it doesn't change the fact that they happened. And I'm pretty sure the coach/assistant who saw him in the Bama gear and told him to change wasn't the only one who saw him wearing those disrespectful colors that day. It's time for you to ride off into the sunset Hall and commit to Bama. Best of luck to you.

"Don't trust every quote you read on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln

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Sanantonefan's picture

Understand he's only 17 and all that and I won't slam him (except on his twitter...) but I think this is for the best. Urban and crew work hard to get not only top-notch athletes, but young men with character. They have worked hard to develop a caring culture. The team seems like a family. No sense in bringing in an attitude problem. If he doesn't want to be part of it, his loss.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

Thanks for the update, Birm!

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Considering that's how we was acting it's probably safe to assume he would've been some kind of locker room cancer. Blessing in disguise if you ask me.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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Aportis0214's picture

This is getting funny. Now Kurelic and Givler are subtweeting each other. I didn't realize there was rivalries for message boards. For the record I hate Bucknuts. They are always pretending they have the inside scoop. 

What started with Hall has moved over to Cupp lol

The Life Of PABLO

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BassDropper's picture

Wow, this is awesome. I follow neither guy so thanks for posting. Love me some good subtweeting drama. For the record, I've never really liked anyone from Bucknuts, but Kurlic is right, though. I didn't even realize Rivals had a message board, or a site dedicated to Ohio State (unless it's the BuckeyeGrove). Either way, I support Givler, and I've never heard of him until just now. Is he legit? I might have to follow him to keep up with this drama.

DIRECTIONER

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Jeremy Birmingham's picture

Marc Givler is literally the best in the business.

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305Buck's picture

Yup, I never understood why Rivals OSU site never got much traffic, but many people are missing out on Givler's insight. 

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ZMBucks's picture

Rivals OSU site is BuckeyeGrove by the way.

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D-Day0043's picture

I learned some valuable lessons when I was young, and one of the most important was; never burn bridges.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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jeezy78's picture

This is the prime example of people getting in a kid's ear and "looking out for his best interest"! His quotes about Bama making him more versatile are laughable. I have a sneaking suspicion that this year's NFL Draft will let recruits know what versatility and development looks like; Buckeyes everywhere!

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LoufromOSU's picture

They are more versatile and even interchangeable...I couldn't tell the difference between a safety or a d lineman as they all watched Zeke run through them.

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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CaliBuckeye's picture

I bet Hall did not pack OSU gear on his Bama trips!

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Dublin68's picture
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otrain2416's picture

Florida lost to Missouri by 29, Indiana beat Missouri by 4. So Indiana would beat Florida by 33 right?

We were born to love Ohio State and hate that team up north.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

If you love recruiting like I do, you love the scuttlebutt like this, even when it's bad news for your particular team. That said, every recruiting season has huge decommits and Hall's doesn't touch Greg Little's or Isaac Nauta's in terms of rankings (not to mention Dylan Moses's decommitment from home-state LSU; by far the most intriguing decommit of the week). He's a great player, made some questionable moves and is now back on the market. Thanks to Birm for the info and for not shading it with judgement. The vitriol aimed at the teen by posters, though, is a bad look, just as amateurish as wearing other team's gear when you're already committed.

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btalbert25's picture

At the end of the day does it matter if Hall decommitted respectfully or not?  Either way he's not coming here anymore, I guess being disrespectful about it takes a little of the sting out.  Either way he won't be playing here, so who cares about the rest.  I do want to know what the interesting chain of events will be when Hall ultimately says Bama is his new choice. 

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bd2999's picture

In the grand scheme of things not at all. Most will forget fairly shortly anyway. All the same I think it is ok to comment on how classy it was. Not to insult the kid or anything, he has to do what is right for him. And I honestly think some would be miffed either way, but just reading the blurbs and such it does sound like he could have been a bit more mature about it. Even if he decided not to attend FNL and told the coaches that is all he needed to do.

Does it matter? Nope, but it is an internet mb so we have to gripe about something.

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Jabba1977's picture

I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THE INFAMOUS SEC BAGMEN GOT TO HIM!!!!!!!!

SECHATER77

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TraSmith4's picture

Jalyn Holmes+Sam Hubbard+Tyquan Lewis+Nick Bosa+Jonathan Cooper+DreMont Jones+Darius Slade+Grown and Sexy Sprinkle = me not at all worried :))

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Mantis's picture

Sounds like we really dodged a bullet here in terms of character.  I just hope we get the chance to play against him in the future and make him regret his decision. 

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rocker9999's picture

This level of immaturity, lack of character, lack of class - has no place at OSU.  However, if his college career fails, he can always find lifetime work as a professional "turd in a punchbowl".

tlg

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bucki5's picture

I think he's an alabama lean guys.

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MichiganBuckeye222's picture

anyone notice this?  Usually when someone capitalized "THE" it is a reference to us. 

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

Meh.  Cooper looks like a more ideal viper(3-4OLB and 4-3 DE hybrid) than Hall and we have Nick Bosa to play SSDE.

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

Nick Saban:  Hey, recruits, come to Alabama!  It's a great stepping stone to the NFL, it's a great stepping stone to the NFL, and it's a great stepping stone to the NFL.

After bowl game

Nick Saban: Why do these players just think of this place as a stepping stone?

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Buck298's picture

When my son was 16 we were visting schools in the same conference. I had to tell that knucklehead, that no, you cannot wear the rival's clothes to the university we are visting today. I had to do that twice. 

Now, if that's all that Hall did, I don't have a problem with it. Because, 16 year olds will be knuckleheads on occasion. But given all of the other actions,Hall wasn't just being a knucklehead, it was intentional. 

So yeah, enjoy your time at Bama or with the Gators or whomever. We move on with kids that want to be here. We will be just fine. 

Send the Earth Reverberating

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