From what I know of JT and anon sources, I'll go with JT for the win.
Best case: Obviously, the story doesn't hold, and everything that we believe Tress to be is reaffirmed.
Worst case 1a: Tress is guilty, but the paper trail ends with him. OSU fires him and docks a few schollies. The NCAA deems that sufficient.
Worst case 1b: Tress is guilty, but other people in the AD/football program knew about this as well. NCAA cites lack of institutional control, and the hammer drops.
Best case scenario, the story doesn't hold but the public perception of Tressel and the program still takes a huge, huge hit.
And if it's true, well, I think the hammer will drop regardless...
You might be right flip. Sooner or later, the football program is going to have to come back down to earth a bit after the unprecedented success of the past few years. I sure as f*ck hope it's not like this.
I think we need to remember that this is supposedly something that was said to JT, not written up in a memo and passed to him. If this did in fact happen, JT could simply say that he heard the person (with vague details of allegations) and asked the players, the players in turn denied any wrong doing and that was the end of it. While this story could very well be true, the burden of proof that is on the NCAA and Yahoo! to prove that JT had been accurately informed of the transgressions (in April) ...well, that is going to be pretty difficult. IF they can, then JT screwed up enormously and deserves to be canned. I just don't believe he is that stupid.
I would also like to think that JT is not that monumentally stupid. I would also like to think that JT wouldn't be monumentally stupid enough to believe TP when/if he said, "No Coach. I didn't do anything wrong."
but at that point, what would be his reasoning to not believe him? Someone said not to? A person who he may have never met? I think if someone just blurted it out at a book signing to JT and he asked the players, their denial would hold much more weight than the original accusation. If he initiated an internal investigation from the word of some jagoff on the street even after his players denied it there would have to be some sort of evidence of that, you would think. I just don't buy that there was appreciable knowledge to the extent that there would need to be a "cover up". Someone may have mentioned something about the violations to Tressel but with no evidence or details, how is he supposed to intiate an investigation? Who knows how detailed the "tip" was? Without that information, which presumably does not exist if this was a verbal transaction, then this is all a bunch of heresay bullshit of which we will never know the truth. If there is any valid evidence then this is a massive cluster of which Tressel failed miserably. Again, I just don't believe anyone with JT's experience, would go through a paper work process to prove knowledge, via email, memo, whatever and then claim publicly something in direct contradiction of that knowledge. It just doesn't make sense. I have to believe that JT is covered on this one barring a recorded phone call where he says that he is "very disappointed...and so forth".
ET pulled down 4 rebounds in his first 40 seconds on the floor? That's amazing. Were they Deshaun Thomas offensive board-miss-offensive board type things?
There is something really weird about this Yahoo thing. Per the allegations, somebody was concerned enough about potential OSU violations to contact Tressel and give him a heads-up on what his players were up to. The tipster knew the players were breaking the rules and instead of going to the media, notified Tressel so the violations could be investigated in-house. Suddenly, this person who was looking out for OSU's best interests goes to Yahoo in an attempt to completely destroy OSU and Tressel's reputations?
That seems really odd and I guess somebody could always fall on hard times and need a little cash, but this a SEVERE 180 with this person's attitude and actions towards OSU. Even if it wasn't the original tipster that went to Yahoo, it would still need to be somebody with knowledge of the situation, inside the program. Tressel being the man he is, I'm reasonably confident we'll be fine.
Along those lines, it's very difficult to maintain a conspiratorial lie (or cover up) for very long, especially these days.
Let's say, for sake of argument, that anonymous source's hearsay is correct, but that the guy told JT and no one else and JT never mentioned it to anyone else (either he did not think it was worth the trouble or he strategically chose to ignore the accusation). Subsequently, though, the guy who spoke to JT starts talking to other people, after the Tat5 story broke, etc. Well, then, it'd be unlikely that anything much would connect to JT or the university and few people would believe the whistleblower.
On the other hand, if - again, for sake of argument - the whistleblower and/or JT talked to other people about this matter back in April (or before the original story broke), what's the liklihood such information would not spread like wildfire? That it didn't come out until now defies human nature. An exception to the rule would be that, say, JT spoke only to a few other insider-type people who hold their cards close to vest (no pun intended), as part of a damage control effort. But that'd involve a lot of moving parts. Possible, but unlikely.
Occam's razor is on JT's side.
Remember, the anonymous source and the unnamed person who supposedly informed Tressel are different individuals. So the source need not have OSU's best interests at heart, even if the person who first attempted to get Tressel's attention did/does. That said, I'm cautiously optimistic. Unless Robinson and Wetzel have something more up their sleeves, something they're ready to pull out when OSU releases the obligatory press statement denying all allegations but insisting that they'll conduct a thorough investigation in-house -- that is, something like multiple corroborating sources or a paper/email trail that leads to Tressel -- then I can't see the NCAA being able to prove anything besides one person saying that another person said that s/he told Tressel and that Tressel seemed concerned.
Of course, some damage has already been done (though obviously not as much as could be done). Often no one remembers whether allegations are true or not, simply that they were made.
This is just great. I'm not going to get a thing done at work today, I will be looking for updates, Friday afternoon will be shot, and next Thursday and Friday are gone too....
Today will be spent refreshing select websites, impatiently waiting for the university's response.
I feel your pain, brother.
It was just announced that The Iowa-Nebraska game will be played the Friday after Thanksgiving. This will set up the greatest weekend of college football, with Ohio State-Michigan at noon and Wisconsin-Penn State at 3:30.
Also, when Yahoo sports broke their first story on USC's violations, did they also then write an initial story that led with one sentence of actual news and then surrounded that one sentence with ten more paragraphs of context/filler?
Maybe this time they're fishing. In the report, the two reporters claim to have spent the last two months digging on this matter. So far, they might have more goodies, but all they've shown is one anonymous source's hearsay (the source is not even the whistleblower, aparently). The CD reported this morning that Yahoo is requesting email, phone records, etc. So, perhaps after investing two months in the story, Yahoo's editors/management decided to bet "on the come" on this one: a big risk, but big reward play, in which they otherwise would have little to show for their investment by doing even more traditional "investigative journalism," so they release what they have, watch to see if anything breaks, and reel in whatever does scatter.
Btw, if you're a genuine hard-core journalist/editor, how would you feel about telling others that you work for something called "Yahoo"?
Also, big news operations will often sink several months into an investigation, only to come up with nothing to show for it. But, even if Yahoo has had a soild track record up to this point, I'm not sure we know how well they'd handle those kind of blind-alley efforts. It's not like Yahoo has built up eight decades of journalistic excellence.
I just want to say that when the Tat-5 news first broke, the vast majority of our fans were in denial right off the bat. "It's a shoddy source," "How dare Herbstreit believe a word of it and name names like that on the air?" "Tatoos are no big deal, it'll be maybe 1 game suspension." "How are they going to prove tatoos were given for free, anyway?"
Same is happening here. Many of us are wasting energy shooting the messenger. It's likely the story is correct. And by likely, I bet we only have a 10% chance that it's not true. This could be a very bad couple of days. The NCAA will come down very hard on the program. Very. Hard.
I agree with you about the denial thing, but not so sure how damaging this will be. There's no indication of who this person was just yet. If it were someone very close to Tressel who brought this info to him and there is clear evidence that he just brushed it to the side then yeah there's going to be trouble. Without an email or something though, it's just too hard to prove.
Well, I'm likely to believe the story whether it's provable or not. I'm willing to bet the sequence of events went like this: Someone came to Tressel and told him these kids were dealing their stuff. Tressel said thanks, he'll look into it. I bet he called the players into his office and asked them if it was true, and these kids probably lied straight to his face.
Tressel was quoted during Tat-gate that what surprised him the most about young players was how these kids are capable of lying to his face. That sort of implies he either asked them about it at a previous date and was referring to this incident in particular, or was making a general comment about run-ins with kids lying to him over his whole career. Regardless, it all sort of fits. It's a shitty situation involving a lot of people.
It really doesn't matter if we believe the story or not, it only matters if it can be proved. If Tress asked the kids about it and they lied strait to his face well that's unfortunate, but should he have pressed on at that point? I dont' know. Either way if they NCAA can't prove it, there's not going to be trouble.
I don't know about this one. Sure we could say we said similar things about the tat-five, but is that really evidence that it is true this time?
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Ever heard Fool me once, same on you. Fool me twice, shame on me? Unfortunately, this program is not squeaky clean (Clarett, Smith, the most NCAA self-reported infractions of any school in the nation, Tat-5). Are you asking me to suspend the belief that Tressel is in complete control of his tight-ship program in order to believe he knows nothing about what goes on behind the scenes of his program with these situations? Both can't be happening at the same time. I'm not saying this situation was necessarily cut-and-dry in the sense that Tressel had proof that these kids did something wrong, then proceeded to do nothing about it. If he hears a rumor, asks his kids about the rumor, the kids deny it emphatically, he believes them, then there's no basis to report anything.
I'm not blaming him or think he's evil in my own mind. But the NCAA looks at these things far more illogically than any entity ever could. If they can prove that Tressel had heard a rumor about it, either in an email from someone, or there was a phone call made or something, they might consider that a smoking gun when it really isn't. How can a head coach be responsible for heresay? Well, the NCAA says they are responsible. End of story.
So, I do believe the story is probably true. That doesn't mean I think Tressel is guilty of not trying to get to the bottom of it as some sort of a coverup to win some games this Fall. But the NCAA often sees it that way.
"the most NCAA self-reported infractions of any school in the nation"
The most of the 69 schools that gave the Dispatch their numbers.
How about we wait for the real information to come out before Buckageddon is proclaimed.
I'm guessing the story is legit. Put yourself in JT's shoes. Someone claims that your players, who you practically think of as your own children, violated an NCAA rule that you don't agree with anyway. Will your loyalty lie with your players, or with the corrupt, hypocritcal, and frankly, anti-American organization known as the NCAA.
You could argue, "well, these are the rules, and even if you don't agree with them, without rules there is anarchy". That's a good point. But this isn't federal law. These rules weren't drafted during the Geneva Convention. These are silly rules, made by silly people, with one goal: maintain and grow the power and wealth of the institutions.
Every year, when Nike delivers Buckeye jerseys to be sold by retailers to the fans, is it just a coincidence that the numbers on the jerseys represent that year's most popular players? The jerseys don't have names on the back, so hey, I guess this clears the NCAA of having to acknowledge that they are making money off specifc athletes. It's a technicality and it's bullshit.
If Tressel did know in April and didn't tell the NCAA, I for one, don't blame him. I don't think he was being stupid. I think he saw what it might do to the lives of these student athletes and he did what he thought was best. If you judge it morally, you might even say he was doing the "right" thing.
I wonder if he has any urge to behind a podium and say: "Yes, I knew, and I didn't tell the NCAA. You know why? Because FUCK the NCAA. That's why." (Maybe not in those exact words.) If he did, I would be impressed. Hell, he could probably get elected governor.
I tend to agree with you. I made a couple posts last night basically saying, true or not, it really doesn't change my opinion of the man. He's done so much good for the kids, university, and fans. I'd be disappointed, because there will be trouble to follow, but I think it would be extremely hypocritical for people to all the sudden characterize him as a slime ball or not still view him as a good man. We all make mistakes.
I think he saw what it might do to the lives of these student athletes and he did what he thought was best.
Did what was best for those individuals not what was best for the team, not what was best for the university, or not even what was best for the entire state of Ohio. I can't see Tress putting those kids above all else. I agree the rule is stupid and I can understand defending your kids. A part of helping them grow as people is helping them be accountable.
A part of helping them grow as people is helping them be accountable.
Too true. Good point.
These, as we all know, are very serious allegations. Like Tim May wrote this morning, either he knew or he didn't. I pray that he didn't because i would never think he would do something like this. If the story proves to be untrue then I will not hold it against him in the slightest but I am also a huge Buckeye fan. Others probably will not be so kind.
If the allegations are true then he could be terminated from his position as head coach. He knows that. My question is; if he knows that is even a possibility and he truly didn't know, why would he wait until today to respond? I know there are things beyond my knowledge about the way these processes go especially with a university like OSU but i would think that he would want to respond as soon as possible if he was truly innocent. Maybe he doesn't want to feed into the media storm like other people would, but I just have an uneasy feeling about this whole thing. This is just one man's opinion.
Go Bucks. Always.
If the reports are true:
"If Tressel knew of the potential violations in April and did not act on or inform his superiors about it, he could be charged with NCAA violations including unethical conduct, failure to monitor and/or a failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance. As is standard for most coaches at major Division I schools, Tressel's contract can be terminated for failing to promptly report violations."
This also seems like it's going Yahoo striking while the iron's hot. There are several programs in hot water right now and it's extremely popular to read and hear about NCAA football scandals right now. Oregon, Auburn, and Tennesse are already about to get hammered. Also, there are several other programs connected to the Lyle fella and his recruiting service. There is likely to be quite a scandal coming out of that.
2 months of digging yielded an un-named source, not annonymous and so they decided to run with the information. It could be legit and probably is a legit source. That doesn't prove anything though. If Ohio State responds and Yahoo produces some damning evidence that shows JT covered it up, well then add the Bucks to the list of teams getting in trouble this off season.
The logic of this continues to elude me. A coach and university, renowned for reporting every little infraction, suddenly refuses to report minor violations (thereby creating a major one)? How does this make any sense?
My solution is to just cheat as brazenly as possible, since selling personal items for cash and tattoo discounts apparently gets you multiple negative media hits and NCAA sanctions, while oversigning and paying a kid a couple hundred grand gets you a MNC and a Heisman Trophy.
This. SEC can do whatever they want, but we're getting raked over the coals for minor violations (which, save Herron's, shouldn't even be violations--personal property is that--PERSONAL).
What are you going to do, though, when the NCAA is judge, jury, and executioner? They have no legitimacy left after this season. Someone needs to stand up to this joke of an organization. I say it's us.
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One thing that I strongly disagreed with Johnny on yesterday was the idea that we had been "conned" if this were true. I think Tressel loves The Ohio State University. I think he wants to be the AD some day. I think he loves his players, and I think he loves the fans. Regardless of what comes out of this.
I totally agree with you Jake.
I responded this way to a degree because it just doesn't make sense to me that the person I believe JT is would have, in good conscience, let this thing get to this point. I would have thought that this would have torn him apart inside, and he would have made some sort of mea culpa before a story from Yahoo forced him to do so.
It will change my perception of him slightly if it is true.
Hate to say it, but you do have a point Johnny. It would be a terrible misplay to levy this kind of story against a coach (especially Tressel) without absolute believing your facts.
I have had time to sleep on this and have a few thoughts:
1) The more time that goes by without word or statements from tOSU, the more I will be bracing for bad. I believe Gene Smith jumped on top of the Tressel Resigning rumor within a few hours.
2) I don't recall when the above rumor started but I think it was around that time. That would worry me a bit in conjunction with this story from Wetzel & Co.
3) I agree that a "source" who was supposedly in the know enough to contact Tressel discreetly indicates a caring for the program and people. Why this person would then do something that would directly bomb the program/coaches/player/university is odd to say the least.
It is absolutely insanely difficult for me to even think JT would make such an error in judgement. I just can't see it. He has been around too much for too long and seen the consequences around the nation to not self report and/or take something like this seriously. I'm hoping the University comes out with something soon. Longer the clock ticks, more an indication of rutroh. That comment does strike a bit of fear.
It's about this, right now:
1) "The more time that goes by without word or statements from tOSU, the more I will be bracing for bad."
Yes, the longer it takes for a response from JT and the school the worse it will look to outsiders.
Screw the outsiders of course, but perception is important when you are talking about a man's reputation in such a high profile position.
I am sure the school is just making sure that all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, but I really want to hear from Tress today.
I am praying that his response is something along the lines of "this story is completely false."
The more wordy and vague the response is the worse I expect this to become.
Hahahaha! I just got a huge laugh. Go to the "newsfeed" on our ESPN page. The second thing you'll see is that this may cost us our win over the SEC. That's what ESPN is concerned about!
Even if the allegations are true, I don't see how the Sugar Bowl win could be vacated. We weren't playing with ineligible players either way.
The Yahoo article makes it sound like the whole season could be vacated if you know about violations and don't report them.
If Tressel or Ohio State comes out today, this week, or whenever and simply says its not true, then I am 100% with them.
I trust the men who run this University and athletic programs far more than I do one unnamed source.
I trust them too, but this could still be a pretty damning story.
Of course I am sure that Coach Tressel hears all kinds of rumors about his players on a very frequent basis, but if he was given solid information (not just chatter) and chose to ignore it and then later lie about it.........well that trust takes a hit.
We certainly all make mistakes, and as much as JT is deified it is near impossible to live up to such a squeaky clean image, but I can't just blindly say that this won't tarnish that image if proven (really truly proven) accurate.
That being said Coach Tressel is the greatest thing that has happened to Ohio State football in a very long time.
No @kengordonosu or @OSU_AD tweets today... Kind of ominous.
If this story is true and Tressel knew about it in April and didnt report it to anyone then OSU then the players who played al season would be deemed Inelgible by the NCAA and hence OSU would have to vacate the entire season. Sad but true.....
Not to divert the attention away but what is going on with Nate Oliver? Players are saying things about him.
What are they saying?
Thoughts and prayers are with him.
Christian Bryant said "RIP".
A lot of them are saying Buckeyes stick together in times of adversary - they could be talking about him and not about the Tressel situation.
From a quick glance, his mom may have passed away this morning.
Who the source may be and why.....
Darrell Hazell- If it is a coach who is the source it would have to be one that is no longer depending on Jim Tressel for a job....
Urban Meyer- He may be setting up Tressel to get fired so he can swoop in to take over the program....
Kirk Herbstriet- He clearly has been trying to bring down OSU lately and this could be his best attempt......
Maurice Clarett- Did he make a deal to get released from prison in return to set up Tressel?
George Bush- Isnt everything his fault anyhow?
Charlie Sheen- I hear he is looking for a new job as well.
Adolph Hitler-His body was never identified.
Herbstreit seems very credible. Also seems consistent with the "concerned about the program" then "slash and burn".
Herbie is ESPN. He'll give the scoop to his network before giving the scoop to anyone else.
Maybe, but he also might not want it to be pointed at him. Or maybe he said something to someone else that leaked it there. Either way he is dead to me.
Meanwhile, during all of this...Bruce Pearl is still employed. So there's that.
..and that is laughable within itself
The authors won't allow comments on their post. If this is false, I hope these two "credible" journalists get what's coming to them.
Speaking from the perspective of a little bit of recent experience with some weird NCAA allegations originating with the press (ahem), I'd say that some extreme caution is warranted.
And I should say at the outset that I am prejudiced -- I am prejudiced in favor of Jim Tressel, for the way that he graciously (and, as it turns out correctly) stated his general alliance with Rich Rodriguez and his confusion over what the Detroit Free Press had been reporting, that was the sole proximate cause of the investigation of Michigan's football program. Coincidentally, the Free Press reporting on Michigan was dropped on the Athletic Department on a Friday afternoon, with the instruction that the paper was going to press in an online edition the next day, and it would be in print in the next Sunday paper edition. It was the last week of practice before the 2009 season, when Tate Forcier would be starting his first game, Rich Rodriguez was coming off a 3-9 season, and Michigan would be facing a Western Michigan quarterback whom everybody thought would be an NFL draft pick.
Anyway, I would strongly suspect that a call has already been placed, by Gene Smith, to Gene Marsh at the Lightfoot firm in Birmingham, Alabama. Gene Marsh is the former NCAA lawyer who was retained by Michigan in 2009, and who performed so brilliantly, as Michigan largely successfully defended itself and Rich Rodriguez. Gene Marsh is an OSU grad.
Sadly, I can tell you that no matter what, this will be a huge distraction for your program. Michigan's AD David Brandon, who entered in the middle of the Michigan self-investigation, said the he spent more time on that investigation, than he did on a billion-dollar stock offering in the private sector.
Appreciate the perspective.
Let us look on the positive side, distraction = focus off of basketball team = less pressure on basketball team = better (but underappreciated) performance
Can anyone shed light on how far a coach or department must go to investigate a "tip" like this? If Tress got an email from someone he doesn't know - and he must get tons - and maybe its a little cryptic, how far does he have to go to check it out? Is he supposed to forward all such emails to the AD and let them handle it?
This might come down to a question of what the "tip" was exactly. How much info must be provided for it to warrent an investigation? If it named names and items, you'd think someone from the AD would have asked the players to show that they still have their stuff. This isn't just a he-said thing, there was real physical evidence somewhere.
Very hard to believe Tress would have truely "known" and covered it up. No one is perfect, but it goes so against his charater for that to make sense. More reasonable idea is that someone contacted Tress (or his staff?) with some info and Tress found nothing substantial or informative enough about it at the time to do anything with it.
I kinda get it that you are not the run of the mill hot dog eating meatchicken troll, buy go away m boy. Not the time.
****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in. FACT
Michigan Man has the same rights you have to post on this board. He's not a troll.
I agree, M Man is not only welcome, he's an excellent commenter (blasphemy be damned). He's consistently supportive of Big Ten institutions, to the extent that he gives them the benefit of the doubt, until having solid reason to do otherwise, which is maybe farther than some of our compatriots are ready to stick.
guys, I'm seing this, "Jim Delany just suspended Jim Tressel for the first half of Oho State's spring game." all over twitter. Can anyone find any credibility to this claim?
Don't think that's true.
i think that is a joke.
I think that's a bunch of obvious trolls being obvious.
As long as he still has the same head coach I agree with TP. Steel the resolve, circle the wagons, all that stuff. If his head coach gets canned (please don't let that happen) I will probably feel a bit differently about it.
The school might want to ask the Chinese govt. how to put a filter on TP's twitter account.
The March 2nd post by Brutus is suddenly very scary now.
Say it ain't so, Jim (and Gene)!
Sooner or later it all gets real.
I'm failry sure that was in regards to the Oregon situation regarding street agents and AAU-like camps/recruiting services... specifically because Cowherd said the publication about to break had "bank accounts" ,ie a money trail, to back it up; The guy suspected of directing TX RB Leache Seastrunk to the Ducks was paid $25,000 by the University of Oregon and there is a check to prove it.
Our current situation does not involve money, as it has already been proven that TP and Co. accepted benefits in exchange for stuff.
That said, this sitution is very serious as well.
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I'm sure that is the case. However, seeing that abomination masquerading as headgear on my favorite Buckeye soft landing spot gets my blood boiling. Don't know him personally, don't want to, but they are all trolls in my book. Not the blogosphere troll that you mean, but literally the soulless creatures that live under bridges. Just my opinion, as is my right....
The more I think about this I can't help but think that I don't care if it is true or not. I only care if they can somehow, someway, prove definitive knowledge by Tressel prior to the US AD's involvement. That seems like a very tall order in light of what Yahoo! is basing this on right now. If they have it, they have it and we're screwed, I just doubt they do.
Twitter is making me nervous. There are a bunch of Buckeyes posting stuff about adversity and how it makes them stronger. Not sure if that is referencing the Tress rumors or something else. Then there are media members not associated with OSU basically saying they believe the Yahoo guys over Tress. Former players are chiming in. I will now ignore the internets so I can have some peace and good health. Or at least I will try.
"COLUMBUS, Ohio — Members of the Ohio State University athletics department met on Tuesday to discuss the findings of a Yahoo! Sports report that football coach Jim Tressel knew about violations involving some of his players months before they were reported by the school.
A news conference was planned for Tuesday but sources did not say when it would occur, 10TV's Beau Bishop reported.
Sources told 10TV News that Tressel addressed his team about the report before their morning off-season workout"
I'm going to throw-up.....
I would think that was SOP. He knows the kids are hearing all kinds of stuff so he addresses them before it gets out of control. Not concerned about that meeting at all.
It feels like to me this whole situation is about to officially go public, and if it happens during the month of march, than the tournement may be a pretty damn good [temporary] distraction for the public, and a much needed one for all Buckeye fans.
If it is as big of a deal as most of us are assuming it to be, then the university and the NCAA have been prepping and most likely in legal discussions for at least weeks, probably even months.
My gut tells me that past "reports" about how tOSU has been appealing the player sanctions are most likely legitiment claims, but are misguided and are ACTUALLY the University/NCAA investigating the now current alligations against Tressel.
Damn. Damn. Damn. IF our bball team wins the tourne, my excitment will be short lived. Becuase of this.
I would tend to agree with you. Putting that in conjunction with players beginning a tweet-fest of adversity and getting through something stronger ... tends to put me in the, rutroh mode.
Response coming today.... lets wait and see....
I am of the opinion that the adversity is the fact that Tress is being drug through the mud. If he had stepped down or something really ominous we would know via twitter.
isn't it crazy that twitter has become the chief avenue for releasing this kind of news first?
yeah but you have to sift through tons of crap and then go find a reliable source to verify the twitter rumor
that's what i think is crazy about it. it's like we've institutionalized rumors
As for Twitter's credibility...they said the same thing about...radio.
The kids just can't help themselves.
I hope you are right. It makes sense but I would have to think these yahoo guys have something. If they don't have anything, then they just shot their reputation all to hell. Tress seems like the ultimate character guy. Like integrity is at the core of all that he is. I actually met him once while traveling. Super nice and pleasant guy but I don't know him any better than the dude I chatted with in line getting coffee this morning. I would like to believe that he is of strong character and I hope this gets proven soon so I can actually get something done.
Honestly, the story itself could be the adversity. I'm not burying my head in the sand, but I'm not on the ledge ready to jump just yet either. Let's let the school address the allegations.
New allegations "folded in with appeal".
This could mean that the "allegations" have already been addressed, and perhaps ingnored or refuted by the NCAA. Or, it could mean that they will simply support the NCAA in upholding the previous ruling rather than reducing the suspensions.
Either way the phrase itself seems to suggest that the allegations are not new to OSU or NCAA, which may actually be a good thing since we haven't heard that this might be a serious issue until the story broke.
so, uh, anybody wanna talk about evan turner?
I really hope he finds out what kind of nba player he is soon. Seems like a great kid, with great potential. Bruce Hooley's radio show was discussing which Buckeye all time would you want taking your last second shot and I remember getting upset because not one caller called in and suggested Turner.
Are you kidding me Dave O'Brien??????
i hate to add to the potential twitter rumor mill, but for anyone looking for a response soon, this is what the dispatch/lori schmidt had to say...
I can't open the link for some reason.
ugh, not sure if I can wait that long.......
Maybe pryor will tweet something useful in the meantime :)
A couple things I have taken from this. 1) NO PROGRAM IS SQUEAKY CLEAN! Not even one run by Jim Tressel. Its impossible. With the kids you bring in, thier age, their backgrounds and thier personalities/attitudes established by where they are from and who they surrounded themselves with, as well as the people interacting with them, something is gonna happen. 2) MoC. When the whole MoC thing perculated, it was dealt with, promptly, by Tress. And MoC was the best player on our squad. And one could argue, at the time, in the nation. So if Tress knew about it, and it was cocrete enough, I am very confident he would have addressed it right then, and without prejudice. 3) As great as Tress is, even he is capable to make a mistake or have poor judegment on how to handle a situation like this. 4) Its going to be EXTREMELY difficult to prove this. I don't care how reliable a journalist you are. They are talking about one of the most respected coaches in all of college history, and then some. 5) Either way you slice this, the alligations are there, and as mentioned before, that is what is remembered. Not the end result. And finally, 6) As I am sure he knew this was part of such a high-profile gig, the dude just cannot win. When we lost the BCS games back-to-back-to-back, the media and Buckeye Nation were killing him all off-season. Now, he's put together two GLORIOUS seasons with BCS wins over what many considered ELITE teams, and now these sharks don't have the "can't beat an ELITE team" drum to beat, so now they conduct what I consider a Witch Hunt on his character and his control of the program and his players to fill the empty space.
I decided to stay home today because I knew last night when this all broke, I was devastated on so many levels, that I would be a trainwreck. For us, for the players, for THE Ohio State University, but most for the Vest himself, this is absolutely devastating. Dude has anchored one of our best decdes of all time. With class, dignity, and respect. And through all the good, this one thing will kill it all. I will ALWAYS admire Tress, even if this is true. Its one mistake (huge, but not criminal) compared to a decade of golden times for tOSU.
In my eyes, Tress is innocent til proven guilty. And the guilty verdict is gonna very hard to come by.
Lastly, IF this is proven to be false, or not credible enough to send Tress to gallows, these "journalists" need to be handled. Slander is spoke, but this is as CLOSE to slander and Defamation of Character that you can get. So the question is, who gets the hammer? Tress and tOSU, or Y! Sports and thier "journalists"?
P.S. Sorry for the book!
"At critical moments throughout the season, we learned about the character of this football team. This was a team of true character, of true resilience." -- President Barack Obama
Couldn't it be considered libel? This report is leading to the defamation of Tressel's character, and if there is no physical evidence only heresay, I think that should be considered libel...
Doubtful - libel law typically doesn't protect public figures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan)
Dr. Saturday breaks down what looms:
I am refusing to support Yahoo in anyway by ever, ever giving them any traffic whatsoever
No more fantasy league, no more March Madness teams, I'm taking it elsewhere. Who else is yahoo affiliated with so I can stop using them?
All I've gotta ask is: "Who's coming with me?"
Notice the terminology. They are using "allegation." Back in December, it was noted in the comments section here that the term allegation was not being used, only violation.
Maybe it is something, maybe it is nothing.
Heresay. Source reports someone else contacted Tress. This is all we know. We don't know ANYTHING else. That's not alot to go on. Therefore, all this sky is falling stuff is a waste of energy. I have to say that this just doesn't ring true to me. And for those of you that said Yahoo first broke the Reggie Bush story so they must be right here are forgetting something.
"Past performance is no guarantee of future Profits."
Babe Ruth struck out 89 times in 1927. (Yes I looked it up)
A Blind Squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.
OK. I am done until something factual shows up.
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Well, this certainly isn't as bad as the Clarett allegations, and that went fine. Maybe god will continue to smile on any shit that involves Tressel.
And, incidentally, I still get frustrated that this whole tat5 thing has the legs it does. I mean Jesus, the kids got caught, they got suspended for over a third of a season, and yet still people are reacting like the university/Tressel was paying people to play. It just seems like justice was served to me and the rest of the world should happily enjoy our misery over losing all of our most important offensive players for such a big part of the season (over a shitty, non-program involving violation). The only people who should even get worked up about the whole thing are OSU fans since our players sold their fucking gold pants.
"The only people who should even get worked up about the whole thing are OSU fans since our players sold their fucking gold pants."
Yeah, and I'm not even worked up about that.
I was doing some blog hopping and one of the writers at Waiting For Next Year brought up that the Yahoo writers requested a freedom of information act afterward, which he thought showed they didn't have much evidence and were hoping to use the article as a way to get some.
It made me feel somewhat better.
That's a really interesting point.
Again, a Michigan comparison: After the Detroit Free Press broke its breathless, RichRod-is-the-devil story, most of which was subsequently shown to be inaccurate and/or completely blown out of proportion, I did my own FOIA of the University. (It's easy to do, and I'm a lawyer anyway.) I had a rather unusual request. I asked the University of Michigan for all of the FOIAs it had gotten from the Detroit Free Press. And sure enough, the two sportswriters (Michael Rosenberg and Mark Snyder) who had done the original story didn't do any FOIAs of their own in the course of their investigation. Only after they had gone to print, did one of the paper's regular investigative reporters do a FOIA, for the basic Compliance Office information. Obviously, what they got in response to that after-the-fact FOIA wasn't much of anything, because after that, they left the story alone and let the NCAA go to work. And in the end, the NCAA found that a couple of grad assistants had watched workouts as if they were coaches and the team hadn't counted pre-practice stretching as "countable" athletically-related activity. Both things were wrong, but you'd figure that out only if you got a team of lawyers to look carefully at the NCAA bylaws and a lot of detailed paperwork that the Free Press didn't have at the time they wrote their damning (and substantially false) story.
COLIN - You are on to something with this fact. There is one reason why reporters would not do a FOIA before publishing a big story. That single reason is that the reporters wish to blind-side the subject of the reporting.
As far as some of the Twitter comments go, regarding adversity, I believe Nate Oliver lost a family member today and some of the tweets I've seen are directly in response to that (certainly Etienne Sabino's was, and I think Pryor's).
Just saw that Tress's book signing tonight from 7-9 is still set to go on.
This is positive, right?
Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.
Yeah, unless he's thinking that he's soon gonna need another income source. NAHH...
he cancelled it now
I just heard Jon Diebler hit a three..... dude is on serious fire.17/20 from deep the last two games. I want to think about that.
The allegations may be right. The choice of media is interesting. Dan Wetzel is on a mission to destroy the BCS, hence his book - Death to the BCS. tOSU has long been a supporter of the BCS. Could it be that Wetzel has an ax to grind? Not saying that the allegations are not well founded, but why is it that Wetzel and Yahoo are reporting this and not SI or Fox or etc, etc? Yahoo is not associated in any way with the BCS - the other media directly benefit from the BCS. There may be a little dose of self serving reporting here. The allegations may prove out to be true or false or somewhere in between, but what is certain is that Wetzel will not rest until the BCS is dead.
see everybody back at 7PM. confirmed by the university that a presser will be held then with Gee, Gene and Tressel speaking.... the presser will be broadcasted on ohiostatebuckeyes.com
7p. Too bad, SportsCenter.
Merely speculation here - but I would be willing to bet that there is some truth to this report, but Tressel will have very solid reasoning behind the decision he did or didn't make concerning the information that was given him.
That being said, my preference would be for this Yahoo! report to be false at some level.
For those that haven't heard yet, there will be a 7pm ET presser tonight. Jim Tressel, Gordon Gee and Gene Smith will all be in attendance.
Isn't it a little unusual for Gee to be in attendance? Perhaps just a strong show of support for Tressel?
el presidente will be there? thats not good...
I assumed, and it was the case, that when Mary Sue Coleman joined with Bill Martin/David Brandon and Rich Rodriguez at our pressers, it was because the news was serious, but that the defensive front was unified. It was always a show of support when that occurred. (When Coach Rodriguez was dismissed, David Brandon did it alone.)
Can't wait to hear something to the affect of "nothing to see here."
I echo so many thoughts on here. I just cant imagine JT purposely ignoring this matter. The point about MoC is a good illustration of his integrity when it comes to rules and players. Remember, these NCAA investigations were not so 'vogue' in those days and for him to take the kind of swift and severe action he took, particularly in the context of investigations at that time, this simply defies logic on many levels. Also, if some 'concerned friend of the program' made him aware of ithis sitation in 4/10 surey Tress is smart enough to know that the potential for the matter to go public was great. Again, logic being defied once again.
I know Tress loves these guys and I know he loves winning, but there is nothing about this man that tells me he values either of those above the University, or most of all, integrity.
Full on boycott of all things Yahoo in progress.
I just can not fathom Coach Tressel openly lying to the NCAA. He has ALWAYS talked about making the right decisions both on and off the field. His character has never come under fire before. The Clarett debacle was proven false. TOSU self reports the smallest violations to the NCAA. I can not believe this has any shred of truth.
Even if there is something that Coach did that was not above board I am sure he did it for the best of reasons. He will always be a class act in my book, no matter how this shakes out.
“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!” DLR
News conference live on channel 10. 1900.
I think there are a few things in the Yahoo story which bear mentioning. First, as BTAlberts pointed out above, this is an unnamed source, not an anonymous source. Huge difference. Someone that Yahoo can identify told them that a concerned party advised JT back in April. Yahoo has no obligation to identify that source and I have no problem with them running this story with the amount of information they have. The question is whether the source is identical to the concerned party. If so, then this is even more damning because Yahoo is getting the information straight from the horse's mouth. So this begs the question as to why Yahoo wouldn't provide more evidence of the contact between the concerned party and Tressel. They might not be able to because they don't have the proof they need yet. Or they me be withholding the proof because they don't want to disclose the identity of the source.
One more quick point. I've mentioned in two previous posts that I was aware that the university hired someone in December to deal with a matter directly involving Tressel. I still don't know how credible that information is but it's sounding more and more legit. Anyway, perhaps this Yahoo report is nothing more than an unnamed source catching wind of this very same information, albeit with several more juicy details, and passing it on to Yahoo. Think about it. If OSU hired someone in December to deal with a matter involving the university's most public and important figure, a lot of people would have to know. This could be as simple as someone who was aware of the basic allegations against Tressel coming forward and reporting it to Yahoo. The Yahoo report makes no mention that the university has been aware of this and investigating since December. Yahoo either doesn't know, or conveniently left that bit of information out because it makes a better article if they sound like they are the first ones to break the story. Either way, I think the important thing to keep in mind is that the university has been looking into this for at least two months. They knew this day was coming. JT and Smith were not hearing this for the first time last night. The question is how and when they will respond. I'm concerned that there hasn't been an official statement yet, but this is incredibly delicate so I'd rather they wait to make sure they can address the issue correctly rather than rush to put out a statement and then have to back peddle. As for how they will respond, well, that has me the most frightened. I think that in two months, they probably have all the information they need at this point. My guess is that the response will be a definitive statement as to whether JT knew in April or not.
@blank_dan: Once again we are left trusting Tressel's defense. #Tressel #OhioState
We should be very confident then.
The news conference is set for 7 p.m. on Tuesday night at the Jack Nicklaus Museum on the Ohio State campus, includes Tressel, Smith and Ohio State President E. Gordon Gee. My gut feeling is that they will deny the accusations with the three of them there. If it was something of substance, Tress would be painfully absent. Imagine the chain of events otherwise. JT: Yep I did it.... GG: Fire Tress....GS: Tress you are fired. Thanks for tuning in folks.
Wags at ESPN are mentioning that this is a sole source story. That doesn't make good evidence. They would need some corroborating evidence.
Jim "DooDah" Day
"If I were giving a young man advice as to how he might succeed in life, I would say to him, pick out a good father and mother, and begin life in Ohio.” --Wilbur Wright, 1910
Wow, taking it to the extreme.
Okay so this:
"The NCAA, prodded by Ohio State officials and Big Ten commissioner Jim Delaney, allowed the players to participate in the Sugar Bowl — putting off their suspensions until the start of the 2011 season."
Tells me everything I need to know about this 'journalists' credibility.
Anyone with an INKLING of sense knows this is simply NOT TRUE. We did not 'prod' the NCAA--someone does not know their O's/S's/U's from their B's and C's.
So, Yahoo! sports is reporting that Jim Tressel will be fired as Ohio State's football coach tonight at the 7pm press conference because he knew about the 5 players selling their personal items months before the NCAA found out. Interesting.
"Anything easy ain't worth a damn." - Woody Hayes
They took it down already.
Dude, that is absolutely NOT the wording in the article or anything even close.
Edit: I am reading at this point that Tressel has cancelled his book signing event tonight. Don't want to keep reading too much into this. Might have just cancelled due to the probable craziness if he was there with the cameras ... but all day long there has been mounting supporting coincidentals.
How did you interpret the article?
Just following the updates from twitter for select people. Can just as easily be due to the timing of the news conference (7pm). Signing was from 7-9pm I believe, but again ... holding it so late is an oddity to me.
He canceled it because the presser is at 7 and that's the same time as the book signing. Even The Vest can't be in two places at the same time.
This is happening at ludicrous speed.
Which is good to me. We need to move on as fast as possible, whether he is guilty or not.
I'm inclined to follow M Man's thoughts on this one. I think EGG and Smith are there to have Tress's back. The University is not going to throw him under the bus so quickly, if at all. I've read everything I can about this story and it has a high B.S. factor to it.
In Tress We Trust!
I'm optomistic as well, but I'll have a knot in my stomach the rest of today.
Well, yeah. It is human nature to worry. We brace ourselves for the worst and hope for the best.
There's no way to interpret this press conference. Some would consider it terrible news that Gee is going to be there, others may consider that great news. I'll wait and see with a big knot in my stomach.
I will take it as a sign of solidarity and the same with Smith flying back.
Their coach was just called a liar for the entire nation to see. That is the worst thing anyone can be called IMHO, and I think they are going to be at Tressel's side to defend him and his character. At least I sure hope so.
They certainly aren't going to hold a press conference to publicly fire the man.
Agreed with the last part for sure.
ESPN = A bunch of dumb asses.
At the worst he is going to resign and I still think that is truly stretching it.
Gee and Smith would not be in the same room as Tress to fire him, just my opinion. But I also thought the whole tat5 thing was BS until the suspensions finally came down. If the Yahoo story is true, I hope all three of them come out and say "F*C* YEAH IT'S true, and everyone in this room and out there in TV land knows Cam Newton was a professional last year".
It would sound more eloquent coming from them I imagine...anyways 100% in Tressel's corner until I have a concrete reason not to be.
I bid you good day, gents. Lunch hour in California is over. See you at 4 (my time).
From this site's twitterfeed:
"We're hearing Tressel will admit wrongdoing tonight, sanctions and suspension possible."
Stomach just turned
I know, now I'm imagining Tressel firing himself, saying something like, "It has become clear that my desire to win has grown too strong and gained sway over my own moral compass. I am no longer fit to lead this great university and am stepping down."
It wouldn't change the punishment, but I'm at least hoping that it was an unintentional violation and not a blatant one. It just seems so out of character.
Yes I could see him doing something like that.
I am now on the verge of tears.
“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.” - Woody
From Ken Gordon "Our sources tell us Tressel told team this morning to stand firm. Didn't get into specifics, but also did not mention stepping down."
Well, I have thought about this all day and been quiet because I have a tendency to speak before I think.
This is a crazy story, and unfortunate. Either we where caught off guard, or lied to.
Here's a thought: I can call his office at 2AM, tell him I know something but be a total whack job, then call Yahoo in 6 months.
Great men have fallen trying to protect others.
Let's hope this mess is cleared up soon.
I hope everyone crying about Tresselball is happy. Do you guys (haters) want Urban Meyer?
EFF! NO! I'll take this over 25+ arrests in 5 seasons any day. If 11 Warriors tweet is true, then I give even more credit to Tress for having the STONES to admit wrongdoing. Sas sad day...
If Smith, Tress, and Gee were smart, they would not admit guilt for anything and force the NCAA to make Y! Sports reveal their source. Not buying the whole "can't reveal the info cause it will reveal the source BS." I did hear Herbie was moving to Tennessee about a week or so ago. Hmmmm.
From the Dispatch:
"We have reported a violation, a perceived violation, that we were having discussions with them (NCAA) about the best way to handle it," OSU president E. Gordon Gee told the Associated Press while at the Ohio Statehouse for the governor's State of the State address today. "We reported that immediately when we found it."
Now the question is "when?".
Tressel trending on the twitter. I am going to be sick
I have to wonder if that just means next season is going to be the sacrificial lamb. Players suspended, Tress suspended. Take it on the chin for a year and bounce back after.
So what are we looking at in terms of punishment now? Post season ban, reduction in scholarships?!?! I can do anything but hit refresh here and on twitter! UGH!
It could get ugly. NCAA doesn't take lightly to being lied to.
Well there is only one thing to do now....have the bball team win the whole damn thing!
Is this a veiled Major League reference? If so , well played sir. Well played indeed.
Interestingly, I just saw a Jardy tweet saying he just re-watched Tressel's presser on TatGate and not once did he mention when he first learned of the allegations.
I know Smith said he didn't know but I don't recall Tress ever saying he didn't know. I know TP said HE DID KNOW he was doing wrong but then Gene Smith said the players didn't know they were doing wrong.
I don't see Tressel stepping down. He would be admitting defeat and that he is not man enough to take his punishment. He'll right his wrong and move on.
I don't really want to admit this, but if Tressel steps down, I'm going to blame Pryor.
And I still can easily imagine Tessel stepping down as a way of administering his own punishment. Do unto yourself as you would do unto others... and then some.
What I want to know is, how the hell did Amazon know that Tressel was going to be part of some scandal back at the end of December? Remember when they were giving away digital copies of The Winner's Manual? They could've at least provided us with some details as a heads up.
/end of bad joke.
This was my thought process last night in attempt to digest the allegation.
2 NCG's down. Program and Tress taking a national beating. Here comes Pryor. Huge win for Ohio State on the recruiting front.
Tress decides that he will ride Pryor to NCG.
Tress hears of something that doesn't seem like a big deal and sees that he is lined up for a NCG run in '10. Has to decide to investigate potentially bogus claims or ride Pryor to the NCG? Chooses the latter.........and here we are.
I really can't blame him considering the blasting that he has taken in the past 5 years on the national stage.
Excellent blog post here from the Maize & Brew:
If he knew about it why wouldn't he tell somebody else? Why wouldn't anyone else in the program know about it? B.S story to get hits that is all.
Anyone have a good alternative explanaition for why the 2011 - 12 football coaching staff page is blank?
I guess it could have been blank yesterday too...
I think the site just hasn't been updated for next season yet. A quick click on the roster shows only the incoming freshmen. We've got much bigger problems if that's our entire roster for 2011.
Well they haven't updated it since we lost a coach and added another. That'd be my guess.
It's been blank for a few days.
I just clicked on the link, and it came up fine. Including Drayton listed as recievers coach.
Interesting take from Maize n Brew:
"Tressel-gate and the Decline of Journalism"
The surprising call for temperance when reviewing these allegations comes from our friends at Eleven Warriors: .... I appreciate that our friends are in a no win scenario here. They can't say what I'm saying here without being accused of being homers or something worse.
I rest my case. You heard it here first. I'm not always on the same page as MiazenBrew, but I like that post. A lot. [Indeed, I'm not so sure I'd go so far as to say something like, "if the allegations are true, Tressel should be fired." Even saying that, at this point, seems to be a form of hysteria.]
But we gotta have a talk about your avatar, SOB; the Wisconsin "W" looks nothing like that.
But we gotta have a talk about your avatar, SOB;
It's an homage to Brian Cook and Mike Hart. I don't mean to offend (or only a little).
the Wisconsin "W" looks nothing like that.
Ha, I like your style.
I just cannot fathom Tress not patrolling our sidelines next season. And the season after that. And the season after that. Just mind-boggling....
I know this is what no one wants to hear right now, but JT is going to leave sooner or later. Obviously, we'd all prefer for him to go out on his terms. But, there is life after JT. W needn't be like PSU fans who are terrified of Joe Pa leaving because he is LITERALLY all they've ever known. JT has led us through a golden age of OSU football. But, he isn't bigger than OSU football. We will survive either way.
Luke Fickell needs a few more years of grooming from Tress, so now isn't the time for a change.
This is an anything BUT ideal time for a coahing change. As much as Tress should be allowed to call the shots in terms of when he's done, he unfortunately hasn't put himself in that position. The program will survive this, and there will most assuredly be other "golden ages" in the history of OSU Football.
I sincerely hope that I don't come away from the presser feeling betrayed...but I'm starting to get that sick feeling.
Maybe this (and some Pepto) will relax you:
cool..been sick to my stomach all day and didn't really have the urge to post..there is just one serious thing that i cling hope to...how...if any..is there proof out there that this is even true...? shed light on this anyone?
and i'm in the boat...i will hunt down pryor if we have lost our senator...he was supposed to be the fucking leader of this team..instead he led them into a couple extra bucks and put the vest in an impossible spot...i'm gonna fucking riot...no one will have any idea wtf i'm doing b/c i'm in northern virginia..but i'll fucking riot
"It's so easy to be average...to HELL WITH THAT" - Urban Meyer
fuuulkcwjeahnwarlhg...my avatar is still pryor..sd.fsdvcdsva
JOHNNY, Pam, ANYONE ELSE from last night.
THIS IS ME EATING MY CROW, ITS A SAD SAD DAY IN COLUMBUS.
I WAS WRONG, TEFLON TRESS LOSES HIS NON-STICK COATING.
I WAS WRONG
Let's at least wait until 7 before declaring him done/dirty/sticky.
If Tressel resigns, Jim Heacock - I suspect - will "fill in", as it's too late to hire a head coach. He'll guide the team through the sanction period. I wouldn't be surprised if Pryor and the rest never play for Ohio State, again.
Enter Urban Meyer, in 2012 or 2013.
Everyone relax. A lot worse could have happened. Tress is no less the person we knew him to be before this all came out. He made a mistake. He was protecting the program and the players he cares about and turned his cheek the other way instead of doing what was "right" by the NCAA and reporting this. I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing myself. Why tell on them if you don't have to? I know it's "morally right" but I don't know how many of you I believe would actually take that information and turn these guys in and out the program.
I still love Jim Tressel. I don't think any less of him. Am I disappointed? Sure, but I think I'm more disappointed we got caught rather than upset that Tressel didn't spill the beans that his players stole some stuff. Not once did he lie to the fans or media that he knew about this first in December. Watch his Tatgate film. He never says when he found out about this. Now could he have done things differently? Sure, but once again we all have made mistakes in our lives.
I think JT will get a 2 game suspension and fined and the program may get some probation type things hanging over it. Life is not over. The Bucks will live on and I don't think this tarnishes anything he has accomplished in Columbus.
I respect your point of view, Alex. I understand it.
We love Tressel, because he wins.
But, if rules were broken by Tressel, wins will be no defense against sanctions.
Sanctions, will leave our heads spinning, no doubt.
And though life won't be over...an era will be - with a shattering thud.
This is essentially what I've been saying since this news came out. In terms of the man. We aren't dealing with a sleezy coach here. He's not Lane Kiffin. He's not Nick Saban. He is not a man who has no regard for the rules and does things on his own terms. In this situation, I tend to agree, he was protecting his players and team and for that matter the fans and University. The very tarnish we mentioned that accusations alone bring are what he tried to avoid here. This doesn't mark lack of institutional control.
Can the program get into some hot water over this? Absolutely, but with other programs dealing with major recruiting violations, street agents, and pay for play scams, I can't fathom this being anywhere in the same galaxy as that stuff.
If this is enough for people to carlessly group JT with some of the true slimeballs in the NCAA then shame on those who judge so harshly. The man has done nothing but good for this university. I doubt we'll see him resign or fired, and if we do it would be quite ridiculous. There are so many other coaches out there doing worse. So many who don't care about the kids and have no moral compass. If this does take him down, I'm done with college football. A sport that doesn't have room for a man like Tressel, isn't worth my energy.
If Tress lied and covered things up, it tarnishes a great deal - surely his image forever, since integrity and doing what is right has always been his biggest thing.
Covering up for his players doesn't seem to fit his charactier at all. Feels much more like Tress got some info but didn't think it was serious enough to do anything about at the time, including whatever he "should" have done with it in light of facts that were revealed later.
how about a laugh everyone..we need it....
nrk918: RT @slmandel: On an Ohio St message board: "Jim Tressel should just say they informed his DAD but he never knew anything about it."
it was funny for 2 seconds while i posted it and now i'm pissed again...:-/
Still way too much panic going on here. Ken Gordon and others are saying there will be no firing or resigning tonight.
There are just too many hinkey things about this situation. There are only so many plausible scenarios--and each one is more head-scratching than the next. I could almost write a Choose Your Own Adventure book with the information coming out.
So, a concerned person communicates in some way with Tressel that TP and Co have traded items for tatoos. Who is this person? How close are they to the program and should their information be considered (by Tressel at the time) more concrete than the various other situations reported to the coach to be looked into (there must be countless emails and calls to him about things players are doing off the field). If this person is just a random, run-of-the-mill, joe-blow leaving a message, I dont see why JT would have to 'investigate' this, let alone report it to anyone. So maybe he (or she for that matter) is not some guy/gal off the street and is someone Tress should be listening to about these kinds of things. Tress calls the guys into the office, asks them, and they say "I pay for my tattoos ."(Remember that tweet?).
The only possible scenario that results in JT stepping down or being fired is that the guys admitted to him they did it and he did not report it. How many of you think thats how it went down? The NCAA cannot possibly expect a coach at the collegiate level, let alone a Top Five Div-1 school, to police/investigate/report on every single allegation of wrongdoing levelled at a player FROM EVERY SINGLE SOURCE. Again, even if the 'concerned person' was someone JT should listen to, it comes down to what JT did about it, was it sufficient to conclude that no infraction took place and is he required by his contract to report a potential infraction he determined to have not happened. What more could he do but ask them--I guess he could have gone to the Tat shop, looked for goods and then questioned the people about it. Is that what the NCAA requires of coaches these days? i mean it did take a CRIMINAL investigation to bring this whole matter to light in the first place. Or maybe Tress should tie up Gene Smith's time by forwarding him each and every voice mail, e-mail, or snail-mail accusing him, the players or the University of some infraction. That would have certainly satisfied the terms of his contract--reporting any potentiial infractions.
Even more mind bending is the possibility that JT not only KNEW what the players did, and hid it, but that he KNEW what the players did and hid it UNTIL the yahoos at Yahoo found out. All December long the NCAA was up every scarlet and grey backside this side of I-70--and no mention that JT knew. The outrage over the Tat-5 playing in the Sugar Bowl and no mention that JT knew. Where was this concerned person then? Where was this 'source' at that time? I cant answer that, but I can say that it makes perfect sense that JT knew what they did, hid it from Smith, the NCAA, law enforcment, and the twitterverse while simultaneously encouraging all players involved to return for their senior season--hinging their bowl game participation on it, while at the same time appealing the suspensions further prolonging the investigation. Now it makes sense.
I guess the real question is this: Did Tressel believe he was going to win an MNC last year? If the anwer is yes, and we know man's heart is inclined toward sin, then it is fractionally possible that he pulled a Chizik and decided to go for the trophy and let the chips fall where they may.
I for one do not think this is the man I have grown to love and admire. I guess we'll see in a few hours.
Hold Fast Buckeye Nation.
As if my last post was not long enough...
Oh, and I guess today when they called all the players together and told them what was going on (a resignation, termination, discipline, sanctions--all the good stuff everyone is reporting on), NONE of that info has made its way to Twitter. We got players tweeting about wanting food, for crying out loud. Are these the tweets of men who just lost their leader? Vacated their season? If anything like that were giong down, there would be a moritorium on all player twitter accounts to keep even cryptic info leaks to a minimum.
Maybe I am bundled up in my biggest, fattest, fluffiest homer jacket gazing out into the unknown with my scarlet and grey colored glasses, but it beats the hell out of the uncontrollable sobs I was engaged in about two hours ago.
Thanks for putting in words what I have been feeling all day. It just seems way to fubared to be real.
Good word--could have just used this and saved my self a couple of hundred.
All I know is, regardless of the results of the press conference, I will be sitting in front of my TV on Saturday, September 3rd looking forward to watching the Bucks pummel Akron. Life will go on... and change will always be a part of it.
The world is not coming to an end :)
We'll be there tonight so stay tuned for coverage
anyone have a link for someone on the road traveling?
They say they will stream the presser live.
You are welcome.
Will you guys post as soon as the pressergoes? On my way to waffle house...
Setting up a open thread now so I'm sure news will be on there. We will post our videos of the presser ASAP.
Chief's not sweating it. There's Waffle House to be had! :)
Meanwhile, Barry Switzer is somewhere laughing hysterically.
Seems it will more than likely be a fine with possible loss of scholarships. Hopefully no post season ban. If it were anything worse, Tressel would have been fired or forced to resign. Not the end of the world, but loss of scholarships may hurt considering the wealth of Ohio talent next year.
10 tv reporting 2 game suspension for Tress
Fine + 2 game suspension would be fantastic.
Five years ago.
I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...