Thanks a lot Birm.
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Well, shit. Oh well, best of luck to him if that's true. On to Aaron Hansford, Shazier/Lee 3.0.
Hansford's CB currently reads 100% OSU with 14 predictions.
Speaking of Lee awesome job with the video. Thank you again. So when are you going to pony up with that Vonn Bell video? Haha
I will be interested to know more about the reasoning behind what is going on.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
If it's West Virginia, safe to say it's due to being closer to his home, with his brother, and for their engineering program. If it's Penn State, not sure what the pull is.
Could also be playing time -or a combination of many reasons. Maybe Birms knows the scoop
Yea, I'm not sure it really matters though. He sounds like a great kid from a great family and he's been a life long buckeye fan. Best of luck to him for a long and productive career.
If it's WVU it's not distance. WVU and tOSU are the same distance from St. Clairsville.
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Think it was Birm who mentioned that WVU is a little closer. Just going by that, I didn't look it up.
From the area. Morgantown might be ten minutes closer.
Penn State has a much better Petroleum Engineering program.
Maybe petroleum jelly.
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Both PSU and WVU have some Petroleum Engineering field of study, which I I believe could be a factor.
Edit: Duh. I guess I missed the post right above me.
I remember Birm mentioning Penn State was our biggest competitor in the Ferns sweepstakes a few weeks back, It is what it is, I just hope this quiets down the whole Urb doesn't recruit Ohio bashing we've seen here the past few seasons as everyone is realizing not every top 10 kid in the state each year sees the Buckeyes as their fit for the next 4-5 years of their lives.
That's a bold statement.
It's because of the clout of that WVU diploma.
Seriously though... I'll take Nick Conner after his performance in the spring game. Good luck being mediocre in the Big XII.
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Good luck being mediocre in the Big XII.
The salt is real.
As for the whole "clout of a WVU diploma" thing, well, your sarcasm is misplaced.
Ferns wants to major in petroleum engineering. WVU has one of the best programs in the nation for that. Ohio State, which has a good engineering department, doesn't have a petroleum engineering major.
Also, his brother goes there. That's more convenient for the family and a huge factor.
He grew up as a HUGE Ohio State fan, and now some of his fellow "fans" are giving him shit on the internet because he's making a very tough choice and picking a school that's an obviously better fit for what he wants academically.
Never thought I'd see the day where our fans give a 17-year-old kid shit online because he wants to go into a very specific and rigorous sub-field of engineering. Good god, man.
When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.
Just saw the "YardBarker" report stating "major" was the reason. If this is true I have to admire the young man for looking beyond football & planning for his future. We may all want every top player we recruit, & certainly every top in-state recruit, but it would be fool-hearty for us to believe that tOSU is the best fit for EVERY player we go after. That kind of thinking would mean we are expecting these kids to come here for football only. Cardale made that mistake awhile back and has since seen the importance of getting his education - a continued maturity that has been praised by some of us on this site. He came to this realization through the guidance of his coaches here at Ohio State, through the guidance of people who are "in his corner" and want what's best for him like coach Ginn, and through the maturity that comes with becoming a father & knowing that there is someone precious that is now counting on you.
I wish Ferns all the best unless he faces our Buckeyes. He is a son of Ohio & deserves our support & respect for making what was surely a hard decision, but ultimately what is going to be best for his life goals over the long term.
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If only we had a different LB coach this wouldn't happen....
Thanks, Birm no worries. There's a Darron Lee type player out there just waiting for an opportunity. This staff will give just that and we'll forget all about those who desire to play elsewhere. Best of luck to Ferns wherever he lands.
Well said - +1 to counter the DV
And +1 to counter the DV you just picked up, tough crowd today I guess.
Thanks to you both, Linga and KevinJ. I asked my mom to stop doing that every time I post something. She just over talks me, spouting off concerning the first rule about DV.
Dude - Nicely done - Does she still cut up your food and pick out your clothes ??
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I suspect Ferns will be following his brother to WVU, which is fine. I hope he succeeds wherever he goes.
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Well we obviously can't recruit...
Are we thinking West Virginia?
we were ALL thinking tOSU but it sounds like said young man has different (incorrect) ideas...
Everybody remain calm all is well.
We only want guys who are willing to compete. We only want guys who want to be a Buckeye and/or champion. His offer wasn't committable. We always thought he was overrated anyway. Etc.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
"Year for what?"
This guy was definitely a star at T-ball
Why does he not want to go to the playoffs? #don'tgetit
Wonder if Birm will let us know if he thinks this will lead to an offer for either Tucky or Glackin and if Hansford still favors us.
Hansford is the LB from Maryland right, who just tore it up at a recent camp, who is currently a 3 star guy, but by all accounts should see a nice bump in his ratings?
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Both Hansford and Glackin will most likely get bumped up to 4 stars here in the next few months based upon all reports.
So he cooled on us?
Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.
Odd that we have such a good class but seem to be missing out on some top Ohio talent. Obviously the 2 O-linemen to ND, Layne to MSU (even though he didn't appear to be a priority for the OSU staff) and now potentially Ferns. I guess we can't sign them all. Best of luck to Ferns.
I blame Thad Matta for this disturbing trend. #FireMatta
Beat me to it!
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No worries. His loss.
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Oddly enough I used to get worked up over players going to different colleges, but, now with this coaching staff and watching Darron Lee, Tyvis Powell, Joshua Perry among others success as underrated prospects. I'm confident Urban will find a diamond in the rough for Ohio State.
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This is definitely where I parked my car.
Seemed like a lock at one point, so pretty surprised. I really wanted him to be a part of this class as badly as any other recruit in the entire nation (save for Bosa).
Good luck to him at WVU. Hope everything works out well for his brother and him.
Assuming this reopens things for Hansford then?
Would you still wish him luck if he opts for PSU #comfortable
Sure, but he'd just go 0-4 vs OSU, whereas at WVU he'd be 0-0 because the Bucks will be too busy in the CFP.
I scrolled down just because I knew this would be posted and I wanted to upvote.
Wonder what happened to St. Clairsville. Their uniforms look just like the Buckeyes, their fight song is "Across the Field", and Tim Spencer. Need I say more? I think the Ferns boys are trying not to be cast in a mold, so to speak? My alma mater plays them every year. Decent players. Sometimes you just wiah kids wouldn't make it too hard. The brother connection has to be huge.
When did you graduate, BR4? We used to beat them in the late 90's when I played them.
Checked out your user page. Got you as the last two years of WHS or MHS to the first year of ICHS. You play football then?
It simply comes down to Brandon Ferns wanting to major in a program that Ohio State does not offer. A program that could earn him a lot of money after graduation if football doesn't work out.
If anyone can possibly fault that logic, they deserve a swift kick to the balls.
See, I hadn't paid any attenetion to that. What major would that be? Just curious.
Oh well. Take the kid out of Maryland. And Ferns ends up at WVU with his bro and sandwich
Not concerned with the young guns osu has at LB...baker, hilliard, conner, borland, booker plus they will add one more in this class
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
I am really looking forward to what Booker brings to the table over the next couple of years. I know that the coaches were really excited about his abilities. Don't sleep on Kyle Berger either.
Must have decided that winning championships is overrated. Best of luck, don't think Urbz will have trouble finding someone to take that spot in this class.
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Or, you know, maybe he decided that he didn't want to go to a school that didn't offer the major that he wanted.
Petroleum engineering is one hell of a major, and WVU has one of the best programs for that in the nation. Let's ditch this "he didn't want to win championships" bullshit. Dude is setting himself up *very* well for life after football. And playing alongside his brother would be great for him and his whole family.
I have no doubt that is exactly what happened man. Was just kinda bummed at the news. Truly meant it when I said best of luck to the young man.
Unfortunate to lose out on Coughlin and Ferns. Silver lining is bringing in Hilliard, Baker, and Connor last year will soften the blow of missing out on linebackers at the top of the board. Still a long time to reel in a big fish before signing day.
Tuf Borland? He is just as good as any LB out there. Plus osu gets one or two more in this class
I thought the Borland commitment was ominous for Ferns, though I know some are quick to say that they're not exactly related. I think the Darron Lee model (or Shaq Thompson model if you want to think nationally and, now, with NFL draft implications) is the route we'll go with Hansford.
Agree. Lee is the new mold for osu linebackers
Losing Kraemer, Eichenberg AND Ferns would certainly sting a little but hey, next man up. Creates an opportunity for someone else. Maybe Tucky can blow 'em away this summer and realize the dream.
Lose 3 of the top 4 in the state after winning a NC. That shocks me. Not worried though. Urban is recruiting on a different level right now and can get someone better.
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I think there is a ton of negative recruiting toward osu and its depth chart that are hurting with these kids.
Aren't we thin on LB for 2016?
Thought they were taking only 2 in this class...borland and one other
It doesn't have to be negative. I can see another coach saying "OSU is stacked, you'll just be another player, here you can be the man. etc etc". Hell, Thad has said he gets kids to come to OSU instead of Kentucky or Duke by pointing out they already have gyms full of banners, but at OSU you can be a legend and take them to new heights.
Please avoid any negative comments about Brendan, his family, etc. Sometimes things just don't "fit" and it has nothing to do with anything other what's best for a kid and his future. He loves Ohio State, always will love Ohio State, but that's not how you pick a college.
Thanks for the info Birm, Wish the kid nothing but luck except if he crosses paths with Slobs.
Please avoid any negative comments about Brendan, his family, etc.
You can't post this info on this site without this happening, Birm. Some people just have to "keep it real."
When keeping it real goes wrong...
Honestly, his preferred major is petroleum engineering. Something OSU doesn't offer. It should be as simple as that and not one person would go to a school for any reason if it didn't offer what they wanted to major in.
Yeah don't try telling that to the "COME TO OHIO STATE OR LOSE TO OHIO STATE, HAVE FUN BEING MEDICORE AND GETTING NO CHAMPIONSHIPSZZSZ BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS IN LIFE!!!11!!11" crowd.
He loves Ohio State, always will love Ohio State, but that's not how you pick a college.
I must have did it wrong because that is exactly how I picked my college. That and the discounted football tickets =P
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I didn't notice any negative comments about Ferns or his family. Did I miss something or was this just a preemptory admonition?
I don't DV. Most people don't deserve it, and the ones who do probably enjoy it.
I think this was preemptive...but some are getting pretty close to crossing the line.
There is no reason to say that OSU will just get someone better if they lose out on Ferns. That's a little harsh. Just wish the dude well and be on your way. Most commenters follow this model.
The Eichenbenberg thread was flat out embarassing. I assume Birm is trying to avoid a sequel.
birm, whos side are you on again?
Could you maybe include the picture of his bedroom (which is all decked out in OSU gear) to remind people sometimes your heart and head are in two different places. Thanks Birm.
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I guess I'm just naive/ignorant, but I'm surprised that a school of OSU's size doesn't have a program that WVU has, or at least some viable alternative. I love that you termed it a "40 year decision." Good for him, just wish he was coming to OSU. I'd hate to see him end up at a place like LSU, so if it can't be OSU, then I'm rooting for any time that doesn't play OSU and/or is not in the SEC.
I'm with you. Why couldn't OSU have some sort of independent study with oversight from faculty? You'd think we would have the resources.
Why couldn't OSU have some sort of independent study with oversight from faculty? You'd think we would have the resources.
This would not be the same as going to an established program. His degree wouldn't indicate PE and he would always have to explain that he "had some independent study that kinda got me there."
My $0.02, regardless of the resources, it wouldn't be the same and I don't care for the idea that OSU would make a special course of study just to get a football player to come to the school. Overall, OSU has so many programs that they probably have this situation in their favor more than most other schools. C'est la vie.
Well put Poppy. I guess I was just hoping.
I don't care for the idea that OSU would make a special course of study just to get a football player to come to the school.
Why not? Isn't that what UNC did? Apparently that's not really cheating or anything.
It is about developing players. OSU is doing that very well. Guys they get will not take a backseat to any recruit in the long run
Well if Jerome Baker taught us anything is it's never quite over until NSD, especially with Urban. If he's meant to go to OSU he will. If he doesn't, sincere good luck to him.
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But, but, but what about his bedsheets? He has Ohio State bed sheets. He can't go anywhere else.
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If your IN Ohio and Ohio State is in the mix for your services DISTANCE IS NOT AND SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM
My wife's family is originally from St. Clairsville. I will have to have them make Brendan an offer he can't refuse (they're Italian you see). I would love to have Brendan play here, and still hope he makes that "correct" decision. But if he choses to go elsewhere, he still an Ohioan, so I will wish him well.
Don't worry guys, I am on my way to the high school to talk him out of it.
I have to give it to J Birm, the man definitely has the inside track on all things recruiting!! Its a Jeremy Birmingham world and the rest of us are just living in it!!
I really appreciate all the insight but I'll be interested to hear the rest of the story because from the view down here with the rest of the knaves, it sure looked like Ferns was a hard OSU lean...
I feel like I'm one of the few people who isn't shocked/disappointed from this news. The writing has been on the wall for a while now (Or at least it was to me, I have a pessimistic view on recruiting) . I still hold a small amount of unfounded hope that he will pick OSU, but I wish him the best where ever he goes. It sucks to miss out on an Ohio player, especially one as good as Ferns, but I know much more goes into picking a school for football than liking the school growing up. He has to find the best fit for him, whether that be WVU, PSU, OSU or somewhere else.
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Not always the kid that loses interest. Sometimes the staff starts to drift in another direction. Sometimes both.
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Birm - I voted for you in the Readers Choice Awards! Love how you always keep us informed, and don't let us jump off the ledge with fear/panic.
But when you give us bad news like this, I'm awfully tempted to go back and edit my pick ... LOL!
Trust me! I'm an Engineer.
Good luck to him.
It would have been nice to have him in the class, but Urban always has a plan! The class will end up with a stud LB one way or another
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Some of you fellas obviously didn't take Birm's "hints" seriously. He was pretty telling about it in last week's Hurry up.
Anyhow, best of luck to Brendan!
Weird to see 3 top100 players from Ohio go elsewhere in one class. That's not to say it's OSU's fault, just an unfortunate circumstance for sure.
With the bad comes the good. Two of the last three top ranked QB's in Texas have committed to Ohio State. When you recruit nationally like Urban Meyer, you are going to miss on some instate stars, that is the main negative of being a national recruiter, rather than a more regional recruiter such as Coach Tress.
For sure. And it'll end up a top 5-7 class regardless, just weird seeing it (outside of those years UM was getting a lot of Ohio guys back in the 80s/90s).
Two of the last three top ranked QB's in Texas have committed to Ohio State.
That is not correct. Only one of the last three. Wallace is the #1 rated 2016 Texas QB. In 2015, it was Kyler Murray (Texas A&M). In 2014, it was Jerrod Heard (UT)
Incidentally, JT Barrett was not the top rated QB in Texas in 2013, in case that is what you meant. That honor belonged to Cody Thomas (Oklahoma). Barrett was rated #2. (All ratings are 247 composite.)
Well, who could say no to a coach that looks like Donald Trump?
I've always thought he'd look like Willy Wonka if you put him in a purple suit and hat.
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I wish him the absolute best in his career. I do think someone should have let him know that even though you may not major in petroleum engineering, you can still get into the field. I have had friends who majored in Chemical, Civil, and Mechanical engineering and all ended up with very high paying jobs at Exxon, BP, and Shell.
I haven't heard that Penn State was Ohio State's toughest competition for Ferns (I've always heard WVU), but would much prefer Ferns to stay B1G and sign with Penn State.
Not me, if not a Buckeye, I'd prefer he's out of conference
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Agree. Birm says he is a big Buckeye Fan but that is absolutely inconsistent with choosing PSU and playing your "favorite" team every year. That is not something I could do, particularly with an offer from OSU.
Growing up in B1G country, and being a lifelong fan of the B1G, It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he didn't want to go to Ohio State, but would love to play Ohio State every year.
Agree being from Ohio I would love the chance to play at the Shoe in front of fam and friends.
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For what ever reason I only get upset if we miss out on the top "skill" positions in state. The talent gap in positions like OL, ILB, etc isn't drastically different. Now losing top WR, DB, ATH, etc stings a little more to me. Maybe just "flashy" players get me excited about recruiting?
'Slight update' ? That's like saying Shaquille O'Neal is 'kinda' tall.
If this truly is about his intended major and Ohio State not having it, I understand his thinking but he needs to ask more in depth questions. Petroleum Engineering is one of those majors that will have many conflicts with football. He needs to find out how many football players have started out majoring in PE and how many actually graduated with that degree. I would be willing to bet the answer to that second question is zero. It's admirable he wants that major, but not realistic due to time constraints. I've had friends try it and it just doesn't work.
now that its had time to settle in, it's time to
We're going to be fine at LB. Let's get some more DT
Urbans track record speaks for itself. Best of luck to him. Look forward to still being awesome in 2016 and beyond
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Wait, we might not be getting a top ranked LB recruit...definitely fire Fickell.
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I know rankings aren't everything, but losing the top 2 in-state OL and top LB is hard to accept, especially when we put a full court press on all three recruits and came up short. That being said, we have some solid talent at both positions from the 2014 and 2015 class.
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And from the recent crystal balls on 247 it seems he's going to Penn State which makes this hurt even more....ugghhhh!
If that happens I think it would've been a move heavily influenced by the depth chart. If you went to West Virginia at least you could say he went to play with his brother but PSU?? He knows where the new linebacker U, right?
Oh well good luck kid!
Franklin is a heck of a recruiter. Urban is a hell of a coach. Guess we'll see who will have the edge when the Lions come to the shoe this year.
Was Ferns projected to play outside linebacker or inside? We have excellent depth at both but outside is a complete logjam with Booker, Berger, and Hilliard all waiting in the wings. And even inside we have Raekwon and Conner who look set to solidify the spot for at least the next 3 seasons. No doubt Ferns looks great, but playing time may have been an issue. Competing against multiple five star talents who are already in the system is a tall task.
24/7 sports has his interest in Ohio State: None -- Way at the bottom of his 30+ team offer list -- The hell?!
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Dude must love him some petroleum engineering. All kidding aside, in light of the recently completed NFL draft it should be crystal clear to any high school footballer that your chances of getting drafted are, um, small, really small. If he's serious about petroleum engineering, he's making a smart decision, because the chances he has a career in the NFL aren't good. Still, the cynic in me wonders how long before he's majoring in communications.
Amen to what you posted above. He must be knee deep in this Petroleum Engineering thing. (Bosa Shrug). I do so because he knew OSU did not have that program from beginning of his recruitment and now its an issue. Just saying. I wish him the best of luck. Go Bucks!
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There is definitely something else going on. Birm sort-of alluded to it in an earlier post stating, "Sometimes it's just not a good fit"... I heard somebody else mention that he could have majored in mechanical engineering and then went on to graduate school to enhance his preferred field of study at TOSU. I do find it hard to believe that TOSU couldn't have gotten close to what he was looking to gain as a student athlete. I think something else is in play here; I don't need to know what that is and I wish the kid luck but a class is NEVER defined solely by the recruitment of one individual, and certainly NOT at TOSU. Never has been and never will be.
If I remember correctly, he is on the path to being the class Valedictorian. He's pretty intelligent.
And not all engineering students wash out and go to a non-technical major ...
Oh well...I'm still getting drunk tonight though. Not because of 5 de May, but because I'm an alcoholic. Good luck kid.
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I just got a Bleacher Report Team Stream update saying that we were dropped from consideration because we did not offer Petro.
I hope this kid follows through on all of his rigorous academic screening process, because I know most 17 year olds don't know what job they want, not to mention what major they will select (and stick with) for 4 years.
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Best wishes to Brendan Ferns regardless of where he ends up. I always hate seeing Ohio kids go elsewhere. It happens and I fully trust in this coaching staff that they will find an equally quality young man who does see OSU as the perfect place to be. Go Bucks!
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So can we contact UNC and figure out how to create a fake major called Petroleum Engineering at Ohio State?
Good luck Ferns as a engineer grad myself its tough but worth it. Youll be glad you chose to follow that path even tho it doesnt include Ohio State
Without being cynical at all, it's pretty rare that we lose top-flight athletes to schools due to majors and that they actually go and study that major and pursue a career in it (which, it sounds like, Ferns wishes to do). Best of luck to him.
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Right now, Petroleum Engineering majors have the highest starting salaries of all the engineering disciplines. PSU is a much better school than WVU in that regard. With that said, a Chemical Engineering (or even Physical Chemistry) major would have probably been the better long term bet unless he is determined to stay in E&P his whole career. OSU is outstanding in both.
The good news if any is that TSUN doesn't have a Petroleum Engineering major either.
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I read on 247 sports that his reason for choosing not to go to OSU was because they don't offer the major he wants. I for one am completely fine with that. It sounds like he is a very intelligent young man who realizes that his chances of playing on Sunday are very slim and is preparing for the future. Best of luck to him in football and in life.
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This sucks but I get it. Best wishes Brandon.
Can we get a petroleum engineering program started before next year? Anyone want to spearhead this?
It's actually surprising OSU doesn't offer that major given the amount of E&P taking place in Southeast Ohio in the Utica Shale. That being said, I hope he is really set on this as a career path. Being 16 and thinking you know what you want to major in/do for the rest of your life isn't a sure thing. Would suck if he went to PSU/WVU solely for a program they offer only to change his major once he gets there.
Honestly, he should be thinking Texas/OK if he really wants that career path anyways.
An OSU chemical engineering degree is like a less specialized form of a petroleum engineering degree. I have buddies who are chem E's working in the Utica oil fields and although they make a decent amount of money, it's definitely not as glamorous as some may think. Chances are that you'll be placed on a remote well pad in the Texas desert or the Dakotas. No thanks.
I don't know about osu's Chem E program, but my brother went to UC and is working for marathon. Also, I've got to imagine that a Chem E from a good institution like osu would be better than a petrol degree from a place like lsu.
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According to data provided by both schools, your assumption is incorrect. If your idea of quality is earning potential.
LSU Salary Info (from 2013-14 graduating students survey. 43 people)
Petroleum Engineering (starting salary) Average: $81,886
OSU Salary Info (Engineering Career Services 2012-13, 47 people)
Chemical Engineering (starting salary offers) Average: $62, 961
Very valid point, you can argue with numbers. You also have to consider petroleum engineers sometimes work 80 plus hours a week as opposed to a chemical engineer putting in 40 at a factory.
Reaaaaally delayed reply (sorry), but I was referring to the fact that LA funding is in jeopardy. LSU is likely looking at institutional equivalent of bankruptcy. Even though their accreditation might be ok, their departments (and therefore educational quality) will suffer.