Braxton. Cardale. JT.
You honestly can't make a bad decision, that is the beauty of this whole thing. They will all succeed if chosen and make the staff look great. Braxton goes down? Cardale/JT you're up, They go down? You get my point...
Based on yesterday's comments from Meyer about how Cardale is still raw and is going to get "a million reps" this spring, I know Meyer is a motivator but it sounds that if Cardale makes the strides the staff wants him to make, Meyer may think Cardale's ceiling is a little higher than the others.
Who knows? Again, they can't make a wrong choice.
It's going to be funny . . . when the Buckeyes are blowing out an opponent in 2015, they'll have a hard time "calling off the dogs" by putting in the third-string QB. After giving up 28 points in the fourth quarter to lose 70-14, the opposing coach will complain, "Don't give me that b.s.! Your third-string QB is ten times better than my starting QB."
It's like owning a Ferrari, Lamborghini, and a Porsche...
"Well, I don't want to be too flashy today, I guess I'll just take the Porsche to the grocery store honey..."
Exactly, OSU! There is no drop-off in the talent level here from our first string to our third string QB. The only difference is that each does one particular thing better than the other two... It's like a "pick your poison" for opposing defenses.
What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!
I would much rather have 3 Joey Bosas on the team and just one of the 3 QBs. Can you imagine what could be done on defense with 3 Bosas??
Yep. While the D played good enough to win, they were far from awesome. Losing 2 guys off that Dline and im wondering who/and if someone steps up. Seems like the Urbmeister isnt crazy bout the prospects at this time.
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I hope we get to see 2 Bosas out there sometime soon . . . but one of them might be named Nick.
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Braxton. Cardale. JT.
You honestly can't make a bad decision.
Braxton. Cardale. JT.
You honestly can't make a bad decision.
The only bad decision is indecision. You don't want a quarterback who's constantly looking over his shoulder, and you don't want a locker room wondering who the leader is.
Exactly. That's my biggest fear this year. While having three Heisman caliber QBs is a blessing, it can also be a curse as it could cause the starter to play less aggressive for fear of making a mistake...which itself leads to mistakes.
I think the offense knows they have 3 VERY CAPABLE leaders, whoever steps onto the field and up to the line, they KNOW the offense will be successful.
If the most important thing is having a leader in the locker room and on the field, the decision is easy, No competition is required.. JT wins hands down.
IMO, finding comfort getting our next deep ball receiver to step up and fill those D.Smith shoes. Gonna be a big task and it will happen. We really did get spoiled with no.9 .
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The one area of this that concerns me is the locker room chemistry. I agree that he can't make a bad choice, in terms of the quality of the guy taking snaps on the field. But, if you played sports, and I know you did, you know that guys have friends. If this thing gets too heated, I am worried about the propensity for a guy to want to take sides. Last year, the "next man up" was due to injuries, and 12 Gauge hadn't proven himself, so giving the job to JT out of fall camp was not a divisive move. This year, it could be different, emphasizing the word COULD. I hope they all stick together and ride this thing out.
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Great points 3M - players need to know their place at all times both on the field and off.
Urban will be the leader that will take note and straighten things out if needed
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Agreed, but the scariest part is that no one can completely control the mind of a 19 or 20 year old. Not even UFM...
I am with you on that - our 20 year old is in college and I can appreciate the challenges. That's where the leadership of the upper class men takes over.
IMO, not in this case.I truly believe that after Urban makes his decision. The other two will make it known that they support the decision 100%, back the starter and will do everything they can to make the team better,
Very true. It's one thing to declare JT the starter when Miller is out for months, or Cardale the starter when Miller and Barrett are both out. But the relationship dynamics when one person is the starter out of three fully healthy options is different.
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This needs to be discussed at length. Let's start a thread about it.
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This needs to be discussed at length. Let's EACH start a thread about it.
We need a Vegas-type line for the over/under on this topic for the off-season... I am thinking 150 would be the number.
Urban's offense has featured two back-to-back 1000-yard rushers. We can run, alright.
His tailbacks have put together back-to-back 1500 yard seasons but his offense has had back-to-back-to-back 1250 yard rushers.
And boom goes the dynamite.
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Remember when top RBs should stay away from Meyer because his system doesn't allow them to excel?
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Here's some film that M man sent from the Skunk Weasel's spring practice running back drills. Hope I'm not violating any policy by sneaking some of his stuff in here. In Case your wondering, that's Tyrone Wheatley Jr. depicted below. ;-)
My, the Hairball effect is astounding!
I do (and have) think that if the Braxtonator is healthy he starts. I definitely agree; UM3 starts a healthy SENIOR Brax over anyone. Guiton was setting records and as soon as Brax was healthy again (the rest of the sports world thought that a QB controversy was coming) Guiton sat and Brax ran the show.
If it suddenly was true that Tebow had another year of eligibility UM3 would start him... ;)
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I agree with what you've said about Braxton. I have always felt like Meyer would allow him to reclaim his job as long as he is healthy. Braxton's biggest obstacle to becoming the starting QB again has always been whether he can get back to being fully healthy or even 90% healthy. The fans have all largely assumed it would be Barrett and then Cardale came along and won and everyone thought he was now the favorite to be the starter, but in reality it has always been Braxton's job in my opinion. I don't say that because I belive Braxton should start necessarily, but rather that Meyer believes he should start, and he has the final say on the matter.
Meyer added he had a conversation with his mentor and former Notre Dame coach Lou Holtz "that the morale of a team and morale of a locker room ith not juth becauth you win. It's becauth they know they're getting better."
I'm sorry, I had to.
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No, you're not...
Hell I want Mark May or somebody....ANYBODY, to keep hatin on Ohio State. Got to have someone to motivate the team.
I want mark may . . . to keep hatin on Ohio State . . .
Well, then, wish granted.
The Magnificent 3 debate will be pulled apart and put together millions of times between now and the end of time, but no matter who starts, we will be winners.
IF a bad event should happen along the way in this year's journey, I would like to think that it wasn't meant to be and not blame decisions made by the coaches in a newer role (Warinner & Beck)
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I have to believe Braxton's loyalty to the program will be paying off for both parties in a few months.
It's such an interesting situation. Only time will tell because Braxton has to consistently feel comfortable throwing the ball over 10 yards. No one forgets the pass to Devin Smith against Wisconsin. Can Braxton recover and throw like that still?
I still feel that JT has the best mixed ability of being able to throw and run the read option attack. With that said if JT or Cardale wins the starting job I still think the coaches get Braxton under center to keep opposing defenses on their heels.
I don't care who's in there at QB, it's a no lose situation, let's get this party started
The only way it becomes a lose situation is if they lose a game. The fan base will think that changing quarterbacks is a good thing.
I think he’s got a real shot at reclaiming his role as the starting quarterback.
If Miller is healthy, he's the QB, until he gives coaches a reason to think that we shouldn't have one of the most electrifying players in the last decade, on the field.
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Miller is electric on the field as a runner. But I am not sure he is the best quarterback on the roster anymore
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I would agree with that.
Without doubt Braxton is the most electric athlete. Not just at the QB position either.
Even when he was healthy, though, he was not as good with his reads, his accuracy, or his option reads as JT.
Cardale is actually the wild card because, and it is hard to believe this is true given the three game stretch he had, he is mostly still an unknown. He without doubt has the best arm and the best "truck stick" when running.
Man oh man is this is an amazing situation. I love all three guys and can't wait to cheer on whomever wins the role.
Just for the record, you weren't the best qb on the roster either and you started. Just saying. I'll add, that, if healthy, I think he is the best, by far. Toodles.
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I honestly thought, throughout 2013 and posted so as well, Kenny G. with his intangibles was a better fit and better overall quarterback. I believed he could of possibly taken them farther.
It just seems like the offence as a whole is much more versatile when the ball is distributed to a plethora of playmakers rather than the quarterback being a major counted on playmaker himself that a defense can hone in on.
I love Braxton, what he brings, but it is unwise to go against what makes more sense for the team in terms of winning.
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Still think JT has the best skill set to run this offense. Cardale we know is a winner and can get it done. Braxton is more of a concern because of his injury and of the three probably struggles the most in the passing game. When he is at QB there is a feeling that it is Braxton left and Braxton right. I feel like the other 2 guys use more of their weapons and spread it out more. Also, the key is Zeke. I want to see him get 20 carries a game this year at least.
Not trying to bash any of these young men, but the key to running Urban's spread is reading the keys. There were times ego's get in the way of how QB thinks he can make a play, even if the defense is not showing that as an option. JT made the right call on zone reads most of the time, which made this offense prolific. I believe the zone read was eliminated at times for Cardale and just give Zeke the ball. However, his arm strength and the ability to make the correct pass at the right time, made him dangerous. I don't get this same feeling with Braxton. Braxton is a freak athlete that you need on the field because the things he can do with his feet (and hips).
I wouldn't mind Zeke getting 20+ carries the last two games on the current schedule then through Post season but would be happy with limited Zeke carries until then.
Samuel, Ball, Dunn, can run. Might as well use them.
I think it would actually be the best thing for the team in terms of chemistry if Braxton gets back to 100% and wins the job. I think everyone, including JT and Cardale would be pulling for him because of what happened last year. The whispers of whether the right person got the job i think would be a lot less if it's Braxton. Now, if Braxton wins the job, and the offense isn't humming like it was with JT or Cardale, then you have a problem.
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I don't think who starts the year is as important as who will be the starter come October and November.
I think it is more important than you're thinking. Obviously all three have proven they can excel on little prep time, but there is something to be said for consistency throughout the year. Especially when we will definately be getting everyone's best every game, it would be extremely beneficial to have one consistant starter from game 1 to game 15.
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It didn't seem to matter last year. I think all three will see playing time at QB throughout the year. Opposing defenses will have to prepare for three slightly different Ohio State offenses that are all explosive. Go Buckeyes!!!!!!!
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We get everyone's best game year in and year out because of who we are. I am not sure, based on last year's results, how it is extremely beneficial to have one consistent starter for the whole year. I tend to think Urban will use all three, if healthy, early in the year. Either way I am confident in whomever he chooses.
Cardale starting, smashing the cupcakes he didn't get to play last season, then picking up more end of the year big wins will put him in the top 10 of the draft. That would bode extremely well for future QB recruiting.
Urban's offense is physically demanding on the QB also. Miller has never made it through through a season without being banged up or hurt. I am not sure he can make it through the season.
JT didn't last the entire season either. So OSU is going to need 2 or maybe all three of those guys this year.
This is echoes the sentiment I have been feeling lately, he has "done what we asked him to do", the impression I am getting from this team & the coaches about Braxton is that we haven't really seen what he can do, we have seen what he was asked to do to make up for other deficiencies in the offense & in doing that he only became a Heisman Canidate & 2-time Silver Ball winner, if he is healthy expect big things from #5...
"Because I couldn't go for three."
Perhaps this bears repeating - we needed all three of those quarterbacks to get through last year. What makes anybody so sure we won't need all three again this year? Besides, until Braxton and J.T. have recovered fully, if there is a quarterback competition right now, it's between Cardale and Stephen. Of course, fall camp may be a different story.
So in the meantime, I'm focusing on all the other storylines this spring. Like, who's going to win the open corner spot - or, if we have a defensive line rotation as the coaches have wanted, what's it going to look like? Or, back to offense - who will take over at right tackle - and what will the wide receiver rotation look like?
Heck - I'm enough of a junkie for this stuff, I'm already shuffling two and three deep line-ups in my head. Believe it or not, we may have a couple of positions where depth could be an issue.
For me, the quarterback competition can wait. It's going to, anyway -
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Hmmm, I predict that one of our QB's gets hurt in august and is lost for the year. Then a second will get hurt against Michigan in the regular season final. And then our third Quarterback will lead us to a national championship...
I know, its a ballsy prediction because something like this has never happened before...
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Very interesting quote from Urban, and it raises the question of how much this team can improve over the year. Meyer said multiple times last season that the 2014 Buckeyes had improved more over the course of the season than any team he had ever seen. What will the '15 Buckeyes look like if they can begin to approach that level of improvement next year? What will they look like if they don't?
Thing is right now they aren't as good as they were in Jan because they have to replace the seniors. So they do have to improve to get back to that level ... Then keep improving so we don't just beat Bama by 7 but by 21
I dont worry about the QB race having an effect on team chemistry. I AM worried the media will turn this into a distraction so I hope Urban limits his team's exposure to the media during the offseason so they all wont have to keep answering "Who's gonna be your QB?" Those questions asked during yesterday's presser were proof positive ESPN is going to beat this dead horse into a bloody pulp.
Meyer is in a unique position that he has a selfless team and they'll follow whoever he names the starter. When Brax went down they followed JT. When JT went down they followed Cardale. Whoever wins the starting job will only get unseated if he gets hurt because Urban knows he will have a QB who can lead his offense to average 40+ points a game no matter who he puts in.
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Regardless of who ends up starting, how awesome is it to have all three guys at OSU?
Braxton was a big-time recruit, came in during a dark time, never got to play for Tress, but has meant so much to the program. He's as humble as he is athletic. Thought he did really well not being able to play, staying out of the spotlight, but still mentoring the younger guys. He's a soft-spoken guy and always says the right things in interviews.
J.T. was/is a quiet leader - apparently his pre-game speeches are legendary. He did his thing while complimenting his teammates and deflecting praise to them. A real "team guy" and again, doesn't seem like he has a huge ego either.
Cardale then came in, and while he had his issues early in his career, learned behind J.T. and then stepped up and did what the coaches asked of him. Really seems like his teammates like him as well and when things could have "gotten too big" for him, he brought his education to the forefront back home in Cleveland. He even volunteered at a Meals on Wheels and only got noticed for it because a fan posted about it online. Seems like a good dude who doesn't mind being a bit goofy, but is also humble and gives back to those less fortunate in Columbus and Cleveland.
Just really cool that all three are so talented, yet seem to be really good, humble guys too.
All of our QBs are great people and great players. How blessed are we to have so many EXCELLENT QBs? Go Buckeyes!!!!!!!
The personality difference is interesting though. Jones looked as comfortable stepping into the media spotlight as he did on the field.
Jones should be the starter assuming the health is uncertain.
Between Braxton, JT & Cardale, I think what excites me the most is talent like that has to get quality reps. That means that in games against Rutgers when we have 55 at the end of the 3rd qtr, a new QB comes in & the defense has to change their entire approach even though they're already betting destroyed. And the game finishes with us scoring 80.
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UFM is extremely loyal to those that are to Him. All 3 will get their chance to show their skills to the NFL scouts at some point / at some position.
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The big question for me in the QB derby is really about Zeke: were those three monster games he had to finish off the year because of the scheme they were running with Cardale, or unrelated to it. I'm sure Urban has a better idea than we do, but it seems to me to be a key to things. Were Zeke's three massive games a by-product of the deep threat Cardale posed? If so, that's going to be hard to give up, because Cardale proved he could get first downs on foot when he needed to. Will Braxton's tendency to pull the ball down and run sooner change defensive schemes in such a way that Zeke is running into tighter secondary coverage against the run? Will the fact that there were more QB runs called with Braxton and J.T. be a net gain or loss when you factor in what Zeke might do on those same played if handed the ball? I'm not enough of an expert to know, but the coaching staff is, and as a fan, I'll just have to trust them to make the right decision. But we're fans, and our opinions are divided, and we know that the players have their own opinions/favorites. My biggest fear this coming season is not complacency, but that the team will be divided into camps in support of three different QBs, and that none will have a majority. One bad game behind center, by any one of the three, and the doubts will start flowing for players, media, and fans alike, and maybe even the coaches (We do have a new QB coach, and that may affect things). I hope not, but human nature is what it is. You know BSPN will egg that on if they get a chance. I'm not really worried about lack of talent or depth at any position, although I know I should be. I just fear what this QB battle could do to the chemistry of this year's team, and what consequences might ensue. That and how the QB choice may affect Zeke's production.
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I don't think that is a problem much in college ball... these guys go to school together,and they trust each other, and they grow to love their coach, they learn to trust there coach... when you have a three time national championship coach, and you believe in him... what ever Coach says to this team, they will be all in!... to think that there will be a divide on this team is crazy... teams would never question Woody, or any great coach that has proven that their way is a winning way... even the QBs that don't start will love and trust THE COACH... who has it better then us...NO BODY!!!
I sure hope you're right, Theopulas! I hope I didn't sound too gloom-and-doom. I just remember hearing sportswriters asking players who they thought should start next year, which I don't think they should be asking, but which I feared would just divide the team into camps. I said in another post that Urban did his best coaching job ever to win the title this year, but that he'll have to top that effort to win next year. This should be the most talented Meyer team yet, so no question they can repeat, if they stay focused as a team on a single, collective goal.
i read that post from you, and your right about upping his coaching game... thats why I think he is sending the staff a message... these players are Buckeyes... like you and I, they have become committed to this school and this program and believe, good or bad, in this Coach... and good and earned leadership on a great team almost makes descension impossible... I think he knows that if this team buys into "The Grind" that the one thing that can hold them back is the coaching decisions ...
Dude, you cheered me up about this! Thanks!
Sorry if this is a little obtuse of me but can someone explain this in non-coachspeak?
"I was even telling our team the perception of the Big Ten and Ohio State you can't run, that's blown away. We can run pretty good and now we gotta keep that going. Some of these guys that could run are going to run a program here in a couple days."
I was even telling our team the perception of the Big Ten and Ohio State (is) "you can't run", that's blown away.
I think that might help. It took me a few times reading that, too. That last sentence, I still don't get what he's saying.
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Maybe he meant to say a couple years or a couple decades -- they are going to be future coaches. Either he misspoke or someone misquoted or mistranscribed.
E2, I assumed the first sentence was referencing the B1G misperceived lack of speed. Not sure about the 2nd.
I'm an amateur for sure, but I say, let Cardale start through September, Braxton in October, then JT in November, except for sc UM. Then for the Skunk Weasels, have Jalin Marshal come out for the first two plays of the game, with a couple easy handoffs. After that, rotate the other three regular QBs throughout the game. That will confuse the living hell out of Hairball and Mattison, and they will look like this by the end of the game, as a 5 or 6 touchdown margin develops, in favor of tOSU:
xbrax, 12 gauge, jt the distributor, collier, gibson, burrow...that list is crazy.
most programs would be happy with just one of those guys lol.
the hback and tailback list is crazy too. the defense improved a lot last season, as did the slobs. now the bucks just need to work on limiting turnovers in big games. the sugar bowl and national championship would have been utter humiliations for bama and the ducklings if we limit those turnovers.
to top it off, the playcalling was great in those games and the team embodied the definition of team. you can tell they enjoy playing for one another.
i have never been more excited for an upcoming season of football.
I wouldn't be surprised to see some 2 qb plays this year either. Meyer can also use each qb for different situations too. Opposing defensive coordinators will have a rough time next season planning for all this. It is a great time to be a buckeye fan!
I think the biggest factor will be leadership. All of them have the skills to run the offense and win games. Meyer expects more than talent and poise mental and physical toughness from QBs. He expects leadership. I don't know how he measures it, but I think whoever comes out on top in that category will get the starting spot in September.
I remember coach Meyer saying Braxton had the perfect skillset of a QB to run his offense. I think Braxton lacked the consistency in his preparation week to week, which JT seemed to do much better. Guiton also seemed more consistent his senior year. Cardale was amazingly prepared as well, but those were not difficult games to get up for, and he had extra time.
My open questions are:
With real competition for the first time in his career, will Braxton's preparation and consistency improve dramatically? If so, and if he is healthy, I think he will not only start, but will put up a Troy Smith-esque season and runaway with the Heisman.
If Cardale wins out, how well will he prepare week to week? It is a lot harder to get excited for Indiana in October than it is for Alabama in January. Will he continue to grow?
The most certain option is JT, if he recovers well and can run full speed. He will start the season with confidence and purpose, and we know he prepares well week to week. But, all things considered, I think any of these three will be fine. It is the most interesting QB situation I have ever seen in college or professional football. Great time to be a Buckeye!
Why do I get the feeling the big Spring Game story will be the surprisingly astute play of Stephen Collier?
12 year old scotch? Great, I'll get out my 6 year old glasses and have a double!
I think it would be nice to see braxton get the nod and do well so he can go pro but at the end of the day it really doesn't matter. I just hope that meyer picks a main guy and sticks with him and whoever he picks will be fine.
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