Perkins Signs With Cavs

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Seattle Linga's picture

IMO Great News - wonder who will be sent packing the article didn't say. 

Great move by Player/GM in the biz ----- LeBron

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703Buckeye's picture

My guess is Joe Harris, maybe Brendan Haywood.

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TraSmith4's picture

Haywood's weird contract is prob too good to just let him walk so Harris will prob be the odd man out.

edit: see below (they had an open roster spot)

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Seattle Linga's picture

I may be missing something but Haywood seems to only see the floor when it's time for mop up duty.

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TraSmith4's picture

His contract is worth up to 10.5 million to the Cavs or another team who could trade for him next year. That is the only reason he's still on the team.

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BuckDoc's picture

Probably nobody, because Cleveland still had one empty roster spot left. They were saving it in case Ray Allen decided to come but apparently they realized that wont happen. In my opinion Perkins fills a much bigger need though.

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bigbadbuck's picture

My understanding is that there was an open roster spot that needed filling

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osu07asu10's picture

I want the Cavs to win but fuck Kendrick Perkins. He's a dirty, whiney, bitch who is way past his prime.

Just a few weeks ago he blatantly fouled Mozgov during a dunk attempt, delivered a forearm right across his face.

I don't like this at all.

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703Buckeye's picture

I haven't liked his antics either, especially when he was in Boston. That being said, I'd rather have him on our bench than someone elses.

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BuckDoc's picture

Looks like we posted opposite reactions at the same time, lol. We'll see how this plays out, but as long as Mozgov is healthy Perkins will only have a limited role. The main thing is adding depth at that position, that's what I like about it.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I concede that each individual athlete enters and exits their primes at different years during their lives. Having said that, Kendrick Perkins is only 30 years old, it is possible he has another 4 - 5 good years left in him. 

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osu07asu10's picture

Do you watch much NBA? He's been a shell of the player he was in Boston, since he left the Celtics.

We needed front court depth badly, I get that. Just, anyone but this bum would have made me happy.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I admittedly don't watch much NBA outside of the Cavs. I'm a huge NBA fan, just with work, school, and family don't have the time. Having said that, a quick check on his stats I see per 48 minutes played averages over 11 rebounds and 2 blocks a game. Also over 48 minutes would average close to 10 ppg. Has a wealth of experience as well. In my not so educated opinion this is a big time pick up for the Cavs. 

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osu07asu10's picture

+1. I know we needed depth and he fits that role I probably don't despise someone in the NBA more than him though.

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Seattle Linga's picture

I actually like the pick up only b/c Haywood is not a good fill in for Moz and Perk will only play in a limited role and to get Moz a break. 

I know it's challenging but try and let go of the despising you have for Perk. 

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osu07asu10's picture

I will, but for now the disdain stands. I just don't like cheap and dirty players like him.

Ultimately, he can and hopefully will pay dividends with depth as we hit the post season.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Yeah I am a grudge holder myself and I laughed at your comment because you are dead on. I think as I get older - it gets easier to let crap go that I used to hold on for what seemed forever.

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osu07asu10's picture

I guess, the thing is he has done it for over a decade now. He isn't going to change, dirty and cheap is who he is.

If it means a title for Cleveland, I'll eat a massive plate of crow, but I'd rather do it without him.

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Seattle Linga's picture

If he puts the team in jeopardy of losing a game that's where I will have an huge issue - if he lays low and does what he's called on to do I can tolerate if he helps. Cheap and Dirty he'll be released quickly and the Cavs will just eat the salary.  

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osu07asu10's picture

I think if he cost us a game that matters because of something dirty or cheap, that would be the worst case scenario.

I don't think that will happen. I just think it's a bad look. However, LBJ said, "welcome my muscle" and truthfully the team doesn't have that without him.

I was initially against the Smith trade because he can be disruptive but the Cavs needed it. Shump brings some attitude too, and Mosgov has some Euro flair that also brings some attitude.

Thanks Linga, even though I'm still anti-Perkins I definitely see his role and potential for the Cavs!

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

In my opinion JR Smith is everything I though Dion Waiters would and could be in Cleveland. The JR Smith trade was brilliant because unlike Waiters Smith has a consistant jump shot and doesn't clog LBJ's and Kyries lane. 

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Revolution.is.my.name 1890's picture

I feel your pain ASUOSU, I posted on here a few weeks ago about that exact Perkins/Mosgov exchange. I loved how Mosgov didn't back down from his bullshit. I hate how Perkins is always mean muggin, but is usually not intimidating anybody. I love the Cavs, but damn I can't root for this guy. That being said, good depth move. Griffin has made some really nice moves this year. Glad they kept him around. 

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BuckDoc's picture

I like this signing a lot. So far Cleveland's in-season moves have been brilliant - Mozgov, Smith, and Shumpert have completely changed this team for the better. Cant remember the last time I said a Cleveland team made good trades.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Cant remember the last time I said a Cleveland team made good trades.

The only good one was moving Richardson to the Colts. That's kinda worked out for them. Then again, they traded him like 2 years after drafting him, so the crappy pick cancels it out I guess.

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BuckDoc's picture

Yeah, not a bad trade, got them the 22nd pick of the draft last year. I wonder what they did with it?

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jamesrbrown322's picture

NOTHING from what I've seen and heard...

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Revolution.is.my.name 1890's picture

Indians had one of the best trades of the last decade when they traded Bartolo Colon for Brandon Phillips (although it didn't work out in Cleveland), Grady Sizemore, and Cliff Lee. 

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BuckDoc's picture

You're right, I forgot about that. Might be the best trade we've seen in Cleveland, that was quite a steal.
I also forgot about this trade, which resulted in the pick that landed Kyrie Irving: http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/02/report_cavaliers_in_3-wa...

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Seattle Linga's picture

In the 90's (different era) we traded 3rd baseman Reggie Jefferson for Omar Vizquel to the Mariners. Needless to say I think that one turned out alright as well. 

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BuckDoc's picture

I didnt know that. I loved watching Vizquel, one of my favorite players (along with Kenny Lofton and Sandy Alomar). Remember when Vizquel had the 2-out 3-run triple to complete the 14-run comeback against the Mariners? I wonder if someone in their organization was kicking themself that night

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Seattle Linga's picture

I still watch that gem on youtube on occasion - they had an unbelievable lineup - top to bottom - never an easy out. 

And for what it's worth Reggie Jefferson came back to the club and as of a couple years ago and was coaching on our farm club.

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BuckDoc's picture

That might be the most memorable Tom Hamilton call that I've heard. He actually called the Vizquel triple moments before it happened. It was unreal. He's definitely one of my favorite sports broadcasters ever.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Doc - I worked with Hammy back when I lived in Cleveland and I still get chills when he calls the Tribes home runs. I know there are others but here are some of my Goose Bump Favorites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqOASqRXYs

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rosenbuck's picture

That game was unbelievable.  The best parts imo: we pulled several starters mid-game because of the deficit, and we made the comeback in the late innings against one of the best bullpen trios of all time: Jeff Nelson (righty setup man), Arthur Rhodes (lefty setup man), and Kaz Sasaki (closer).  The year those guys had was incredible, and we owned them that night.

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BuckDoc's picture

Just found it on YouTube. I'm so glad I stayed up until the end of that game, I woke up the whole house celebrating though. One of the best moments in Cleveland sports history that I can remember.

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703Buckeye's picture

My uncle was at that game and left early. That hour ride home to Geauga was hell for him... he is still kicking himself for leaving early.

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Revolution.is.my.name 1890's picture

Doc, that was one of my fondest Tribe memories. I was watching it in the basement with my best buddy and his brother (die hard Tribe fans). I don't think we slept that night. 

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I loved Kenny Lofton. One of the truly all time great lead off men. He is so under appreciated for everything that he did, offensively and defensively, during his time in the Majors. What a great guy and player he was. It still hurts that an organization that signed young, talented guys like Baerga, Bell, Alomar(s), Vizquel, Thome, Ramirez, Colon, Carmona, Mesa, Lee, Sabathia, Sizemore, and Sorrento (hey he had a couple good years) couldn't win a World Series. That core from the 1994-1998 teams hurt the most, IMO. Then, the team with Carmona and Sabathia that blew in versus the Red Sox in 2007 really finished the job. I almost don't have the heart to invest in rooting for the Reds or Indians anymore. They're always just good enough to get my hopes up, then let me down.

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Seattle Linga's picture

K Love also played Basketball for Lute Olson at Arizona and led them to a final four appearance

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I loved Kenny Lofton. One of the truly all time great lead off men. He is so under appreciated for everything that he did, offensively and defensively, during his time in the Majors. What a great guy and player he was. It still hurts that an organization that signed young, talented guys like Baerga, Bell, Alomar(s), Vizquel, Thome, Ramirez, Colon, Carmona, Mesa, Lee, Sabathia, Sizemore, and Sorrento (hey he had a couple good years) couldn't win a World Series. That core from the 1994-1998 teams hurt the most, IMO. Then, the team with Carmona and Sabathia that blew in versus the Red Sox in 2007 really finished the job. I almost don't have the heart to invest in rooting for the Reds or Indians anymore. They're always just good enough to get my hopes up, then let me down.

 Damn right it hurts.  

I would pit either the '95, '96 or '97 Tribe against any of the World Series winners over the last 20 years aside from maybe the '98 Yankees (and don't get me started on the '07 post season collapse, that Indian team would have straight-up jailsexed Colorado in the WS, period). 

Those 90's teams have the dubious distinction of being on every "Best Team(s) to Never Win a World Series" list for a reason.  Good God those teams were stacked.  And you mention Paul Sorento; name me another guy who could hit 25 HRs, 70 RBI and bat NINTH in the order, all year.  That same line up had Thome and Manny batting 7th and 8th.   LOOOOOL

Video games don't have line-ups like that. 

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Now that I think about it, I would throw in the '94 Tribe, too.  The player's union took that one away.  They were at one point 6 or 7 games out of 1st place.  They got within 1 game of the Sox, then the strike happened.  And CLE fans knew what happened once baseball resumed; they won the division by an MLB record 30 games.  The '94 team most definitely would have caught and passed the Sox, nooooo question.

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Habu71's picture

Defense and rebounding, big time need and nice pick up for the Cavs.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I have went back and forth the past fews day trying to decide which the Cavs needed more, a PG depth, or C depth. What do you guys think? Kyrie worries me because he has been injured each year since his FR year at Duke. On the other side of things, If Mozgov gets into foul trouble, or injured the Cavs have absolutely no one who can play that position. In the post season, especially if the Cavs were to make it to the Finals and play a team from the West, having depth at the C position is paramount. With Delly being at least a competent replacement for Kyrie, I realized the another big was the most important position for the Cavs to get. With the addition of Perkins, I believe the Cavs should be considered even stronger favorites to win the East, and are on the same level as the elite teams from the West. 

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C depth is more important because Lebron can run the offense. Perkins should play no more than 10 minutes a game, get 4 fouls a game, and really just clog up the paint. The only issue is when to play him because Lebron and Irving are so good slashing into the lane that you don't want him in there all the time. 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I'm sure Perkins will only be in the game when Mozgov is on the bench. I don't think we will see much of a change in the offensive chemistry as both Mozgov and Perkins primarily stay in the post. 

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DefenceWinsChampionships's picture

We saw it against the bulls when love was out. If we're missing one of our bigs we become a very small team. If Irving is out smith, or shump, or LeBron can run the point and we'd be just fine. Every team needs to run 4 deep in the post and now the cavs do. This signing is huge.

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Buckskickbutt's picture

Never really liked him but he's another much needed big body

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BroJim's picture

This is a good addition to the team. Any news on Ray Allen?

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JTbuckeye2436's picture

Seems like Allen is not happening. I am glad though because he wasn't a need. We have Vet shooters. A backup point or another center were much bigger needs. The team only had one true center capable of playing any real in game minutes so getting Perkins fills the biggest need IMO.

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BuckDoc's picture

I'm hearing he may just stay retired after all

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ajwellman_'s picture

Perkins is the type of player where everyone hates him, unless he is on your team. grity, not afraid to get in someone's face, doesn't take crap from any opposing player. Smart move. 

Can only think this helps with getting Ray Allen. As far as I can remember they have a good relationship from their Boston days.

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Perkins is the type of player where everyone hates him, unless he is on your team.

Nah. OKC fans didn't like him either.

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The players seemed to love him.

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Ok? They also loved Fisher.

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4cardpoker's picture

Can't stand Perkins. Dirty player who has zero, offensive game.  

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DefenceWinsChampionships's picture

With the minutes he gets he won't be expected to get points - we have enough people on the team who can score - he'll be expected to provide another defensive presence. He'll get in the game solely to man up bigs, block shots and get rebounds.

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OCD tells me that comma has to go

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Revolution.is.my.name 1890's picture

DB, I feel you. I keep reading it as he has nothing. And his game is offensive to others. 

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Citrus's picture

It's a shame that Andy is hurt because he would fit into this current team so well. Perkins is a nice pick up. He plays D and rebounds well. Between TT, Mosgov, and Perkins, the C is set. 

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BuckDoc's picture

Yeah if Varejao was healthy they wouldnt be signing Perkins

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Brutus' Left Nut's picture

I'd rather have Larry Sanders just for the upside. 

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GoBucksAF's picture

I'm into this. I'm also into the fact that this team is actually going out and getting the pieces it needs. Nice change for this Cleveland fan!

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

This is the one thing the Cavs couldn't and didn't do in LBJ's last go around. This team is a championship contender imo. 

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GoBucksAF's picture

Agreed. After watching all the bumbling back then for the Cavs (not to mention the other CLE sports) this is so refreshing. I agree - there are very few problems I see with this team now. Winning the NBA Finals after the first ever College Football Playoff? Yes please.

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BuckeyeLuv's picture

Excellent addition. Solidifies the roster. Everyone will appreciate him n the playoffs when the game slows down and defense really matters. 

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sbentz4's picture

How bad was Chris Grant? I realize Griffin really didn't bring in Lebron, but his work this season has been so much better than Grant.

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stubbzzz's picture

Perkins?  i always thought of him as a villain, he certainly won't be my favorite player, but i can adjust to him being on the team.  we did need someone like him and he should get the job done.  Larry Sanders would have been perfect, but he's not playing this year, so I was secretly hoping they'd  renew their interest in our boy Greg Oden.  I'm not sorry if I'm a homer,  I just don't have it in me to give up on that guy.  i want to see him redeemed, successful, and happy again.  preferably, all in a Cavs uniform. 

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stubbzzz's picture

Here's a question, I see it's pretty unanimous that everyone says we need/needed a back up Center and backup point guard.  But i haven't seen anyone mention that Blatt's offense requires a stretch 4 to operate most efficiently, and Kevin Love is the only stretch 4 on the team.  If he goes down we can't run the same plays, and the offense looks bad, like it did in the most recent game against Chicago, when Love's eye was injured.  Isn't our biggest need a backup stretch 4?  or is Lebron the backup stretch 4?   he'd be great at it, but I just can't imagine him being limited to that role.

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Citrus's picture

Miller is in that role as is James Jones. Also James can play there when needed so there is plenty of stretch 4 depth. 

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villagebuckeye's picture

Perkins is an enforcer. His job is to make sure people don't want to come into the paint.  Come playoff time when things get much more physical he will be much appreciated.

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Citrus's picture

Just finished watching the Cavs blow the doors off of the Knicks. Mike Miller and Shawn Marion didn't get off the bench in the blow out. That's impressive depth. The Cavs have size, scoring, shooters, and D off the bench. They have the pieces to be a championship team right now. Could still use a backup pg but this is a damn good team. 

Dion Waiters for Smith and Shumbert was an amazing deal that I didn't get at the time. 

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Seattle Linga's picture

Good call Citrus - the one thing they struggled with the first go round with LBJ was depth off the bench. Looks like they have really cured that with the new players this year and the DW trade. If this team can move past the Raptors and put some pressure on the Hawks - they may squeek in at the number one seed. Still a long season ahead.

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Just finished watching the Cavs blow the doors off of the Knicks. Mike Miller and Shawn Marion didn't get off the bench in the blow out. That's impressive depth.

Blowing out the worst team in the league shows depth?

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Citrus's picture

The fact that Marion and Miller aren't even making the court during a blow out against a bad team because there are so many capable backups ahead of them shows depth.

Both of those players would be logging minutes for most clubs.

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

The Knicks are so bad, the backups could have played the entire game, and still won.

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stubbzzz's picture

no, I think he meant that accomplished guys with name recognition like Mike Miller and Shawn Marion not even getting on the court during extended garbage time, shows depth in front of them.  Although, I think I read somewhere that Marion has a hip injury?

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Citrus's picture

That is what I meant. Miller could be dinged up too.

The key to this team this season and subsequent seasons is being able to rest James and Irving.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Staying healthy and getting rest all while continuing to gel together is incredibly important as the season moves to the back half. Shumpert played more minutes off the bench than any starter today. And yes I do realize it was the Knicks but isn't that what good/great teams are supposed to do?

Thankfully it was over early.

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