Hey Big Ten:
So Your'e Telling Me That Imma Sauce Boss?
Every year on Thanksgiving I'm thankful for the same thing: my parents leaving Detroit for Ohio before I was born.
This is just plain dumb
What? Were they thinking? Apparently not.
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Dumb is right, To all the EGGHEADS that thought this was advanced big picture thinking, I.E. Mr. Delaney "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
I'll show myself out, Thank you
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this is unbelievably bad ...particularly if no other conference does it...heck Vanderbilt/Kansas (along with every other crappy non Big 10 team) is sitting there praying this happens, they'd immediately make a huge jump in recruiting.
How about trying to come up with an idea to help the rest of the big 10 improve their recruiting instead of taking a shovel to it?? if this isn't squashed IMMEDIATELY, the big 10 should be looking for a new commissioner by Monday.
This has got to be one of, if not the dumbest things I have read. Didn't the school, that has been the best school in your conference since 2002, just win a national championship with mainly freshmen and sophmores? So why are you going to try and get them banned from playing? Stupid idea is stupid
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It's hard to figure out if Delaney is a genius or an imbecile. B1G Network - genius. But wasn't he against the idea of playoff games on higher-seed campuses - imbecile. And this idea - idiotic.
The thinking is that if these really are academic institutions then this would demonstrate that. As a practical matter, it would hurt teams, since they would get two seasons out of their best players instead of 3 (football) and may never see the best players (basketball). So I don't think this will go anywhere. But you'll see a lot of support from the academics.
If that's supposed to be the statement, I'd rather see the NCAA raise academic standards for admission before sitting young players that might have both the grades and athletic prowess to play as freshmen.
NCAA has already raised the Academic Standards for the clearinghouse. They begin with the 2016 recruiting class.
Great, I have no problem with that. If a kid can do what he needs to off the field to be eligible and has the ability to get on the field as a freshman, I don't see why we need to just ban all freshmen from the field.
I attended a conference in 2014 and the NCAA gave a presentation on the changes going into effect for 2016. These are not significant increases for high school students looking to obtain NCAA eligibility, especially at certain high schools that have questionable reputations when it comes to passing kids through the system. In theory, it's a good idea I guess, but the NCAA is so hypocritical it's hard to take them seriously.
I have a bigger issue with the one and done basketball players. The courses they take for a semester to maintain eligibility into March Madness are in many cases an absolute joke. I've heard Calipari brag about the GPA of the freshmen that he funnels through the Kentucky program and those kids are taking spoon-fed courses that you don't even need to open a book or take notes (or even have a brain) to pass.
Uh, players in both sports would just quit coming to these schools. If they can't play as freshmen, why go there? Especially if it's just an isolated conference or even anywhere except the SEC.
According to the depth chart on buckeyegrove.com between the offense and defense there were 13 true sophomores or freshmen(not counting RS Soph) in the two deep out of a total of 44 spots. According to that it was not mainly freshmen and sophomores.
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
Nope. 20 or 21 of 46 on the two deep depth chart are freshman or true sophomores. There are a couple more RS sophomores as well. Here's the starters: Barrett, Price, Elliott, Marshall, Bosa, Lee, Bell, Apple, and Neurnberger. Elflein, Thomas, and Powell are RS sophomores. I think Johnston is a sophomore as well. This rule is a HUGE mistake that could wreck the BIG.
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How can you say this would be a mistake and then count guys who were red shirts in order to support your argument? It also doesn't make sense to count sophomores since they would of been eligible to play anyways.
YOU SAID true sophomores and freshman. RS freshman are true sophomores in age. I mentioned the three starting RS sophomores as well, In Addition to the 20-21 sophomores and freshmen to differentiate between them. Honestly, the numbers were probably higher by the end of the season because a couple second stringers had injuries that bumped up the third stringers (Hale, Reeves). Also, you should probably consider the freshmen and sophomores who started on special teams.
That's fucking stupid. Pardon my French.
That's not French, just some good ol' fashioned 'Merican...
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I've heard of better ideas in my day.
Terrible idea, they'll set the B1G back years. And why just football and basketball. If you're going to single out your big sports the others need to follow suit. This is a joke, to hell with B1G pride. If this happens I hope OSU says to hell with you, we'll start Buckeye Network and go Indy
Why can't the conferences leave this to the NCAA? eSECpn must be licking their collective chops at the potential windfall.
I've been advocating independence for The Ohio State University for the last 10 years. Imagine the revenue we wouldn't have had to share with the bottom feeding B1G this year alone. No one seems to listen to me and I have like 100 followers on twitter too! (Thanks mom)
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Dumbest thing I have ever heard of.
The road to nowhere leads to me...
Jim Delany, B1G powers who are actually considering this;
The only good thing about The Game is winning it - Urban Meyer
What a terrible idea
"We'd wipe the floor with them" - Evan Spencer
Delany needs to consult his boss Urban on this.
Let's go back to leather helmets and underhanded free throws while we're at it.
its actually believed leather helmets did a better job at protection because they werent used as weapons like they are today.
And maybe we can start putting gel in our hair and wearing blue jeans!
Dumb at the conference level...If the NCAA wants to take hold of this idea, then so be it...make sure everyone is on an even playing field.
This will go nowhere quickly!!!
"Quickly' being the important word in that statement.......or the B1G is staring at a bunch of elite 2016 recruits going elsewhere because they want to play.
The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick
Brylee nails it.If all conferences are in then fine.Otherwise from a recruiting standpoint you just commit hari-kari.Shelf life isn't long playing wise and they want to hamstring that.
Wouldn't this be a potential catalyst for the billionaires of the NFL and NBA to just start minor league systems to entice these perspective freshmen elsewhere?
I would be a fan of leaving the conference if this actually happens.
So would every other Buckeye, and the so would the other 13 teams in the conference.
I'd imagine that the smaller conferences are salivating at this proposition as well. Imagine the potential recruits they could get.
Hell FCS and even D-II could benefit
For the love of all things Holy, DON'T DO IT!!! If a kid is good enough to start as a freshman, let him!
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You been saving that one or have I just missed it before? Either way - very appropriate.
It's kept in the case that says "Break in Case of a Big Dummy"...
No reason for posting the Aunt Ester pic below - I just liked that character:
"Esther, they used yo face to cut out gorilla cookies."
(I almost shit my pants laughing at that one.)
I logged in just so I could upvote.
It should be noted, however, this isn't an original idea from the Big Ten. The ACC, Pac-12, and Big 12 are all reportedly weighing similar options.
Always wondered what it would take for Ohio State to pull away from the Big Ten, this would be it.
It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.
The Big 10 has enough recruiting issues. Let's add 1 more for $hits and giggles....
No kidding! Just when your conference goes out and wins the first ever College Football National Playoff, the B1G Brass wants to put a stop to any chance of allowing your conference to re-establishing itself back into national prominence?
If this even comes CLOSE to happening, I hope the OSU officials start to break away from the conference.
I think the conference brass better take a long hard look at the Ohio State roster that won the National Championship BEFORE they initiate any plans.
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This is just a bad idea all around. I believe the last time this was in effect Archie Griffin was a senior in high school. Just imagine if the SEC is the only school that doesnt do this. They would recruit even better than they are now. At that point I would move for Ohio State to go independent. But having said that I would be shocked if this actually happened.
"You win with people." -Woody Hayes
If we go independent, who will we play in our "Championship" game?
Maybe we could join the SEC.
From what the schedule looks like next year the toughest games will be practice.
Shhhhhsssh - don't tell anyone on the team that.
“What I like about the concept of the proposal is it puts right up front the basic issue: Are we basically a quasi-professional activity or primarily an educational activity?” university President Wallace Loh said. “And if you support it, you are basically saying very clearly the No. 1 priority is the education of the students.” - And you are also telling top level recruits to go look at other conferences.
Those billions of dollars for research were still present when we won the national championship this year. OSU is and will continue to be a great ACADEMIC school. So not allowing freshmen to play based on educational grounds is stupid.
So not allowing freshmen to play based on educational grounds is stupid.
100% agree. Somebody please tell these morons that redshirted kids still put in the exact same amount of practice/prep time as everyone else on the team. They just don't get to play in actual games. Sometimes, people are in charge of things for no reason whatsoever...
"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."
Gump was smart enough to play special teams for Bama as a freshman; but if he'd gone to a B1G school . . .
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That's just CRAZY TALK
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
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And why for only men's basketball and football? One of the arguments on why they can't pay athletes is that all student athletes are equal and that a member of the women's rowing team would have to receive the same benefits as athletes from the two revenue sports, and that colleges couldnt afford it. But they are singling out athletes in only two sports wirhbthis proposal.
note: this isn't an argument on if athletes should get paid, I am just noting an inconsistency.
My guess is it is a middle finger to the NBA and NFL. Especially NBA. One and done would be....done.
If the ncaa banned freshman from playing I can see the one and doners going to Europe for a year.
some are playing in China this year already....tax free income til next year's NBA draft
I think thats the point. They want players here who want to go to school or something. Why they are including Football is unknown because they are here for multiple years regardless.
This is so freaking stupid.
Which wouldn't even work. People were saying before this year that Okafor was the #1 pick. If he sat on the bench at Duke for a year he'd still be #1.
I have to wonder, do things like this impact recruiting? Telling a kid, "you can't go to that conference, you'll have to wait a year to play."
This is being pushed for all P5 schools. Not just the B1G. Delany may be an advocate for it but it's not just going to effect us.
It's not going to pass, so it will not affect anyone.
The headlines will be B1G pushing for freshman ineligibility…thats usually what counts for HS kids. Coaches can swing it anyway they want at that point.
What's wrong with the Status Quo? NFL and CFB (minus the playoff) are always fine tuning...WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHY?
I feel like this is old school boardroom ego where you have to tinker and do things just to save face, it's ridiculous.
If i could change my username, i would
This is a great way to hurt B1G recruiting!
Nothing cleanses the soul like getting the hell kicked out of you - Woody Hayes
This is a great way to hurt finish off B1G recruiting!
Dear Big Ten/NCAA:
Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.
It is time for Ohio State to be an independent if this ever happens. And fire Jim Delaney he is the worst. I am so sick of him trying to be the first to do everything and sometimes it just isn't good for the conference. Sometimes you can be too smart. This conference just got respectable again don't ruin it
Personally I think we should, Too many schools happy to be leaching off the Bucks success in conference and aren't using it on coaches salary, upgrading facilities anywhere close to the rate their bringing in conference affiliation money at. The Buckeye network would have syndication nationwide whereas the longhorn network only carries weight in one state.
A network that plays Buckeye games over and over; sign me up NOW!
I disagree that Delany is the worst, but I'm on board for tOSU independence!
Our honor defend we will fight to the end for OHIO!
That new rule would also bring down the total number of eligible players to, what, 60? 55? The way injuries take a toll on a minimum 12-game season, you need those extra kids, Freshmen or not.
I understand what the B1G ( and vis a vis NCAA) is trying to sell, but I think they're going to have a deuce of a time trying to put the genie back in the bottle on this one. The dollars speak louder than educational integrity.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
id have to assume that if it ever happens again that scholarships would go back up like they did when this was a rule already.
I don't see how they would get around Title IX issues to add more male scholarships to keep the rosters the same size as they are now.
That's a great point. The extended seasons with playoffs increase injury chances. Accordingly, playoff teams will be at a disadvantage if not permitted to use freshman. So if the P5 teams can't play freshmen, I guess Boise State will finally get their championship.
i just understood this to mean they wanted support from its members to bring it to the NCAA as an option, not as they wanted to do this in the B1G and nowhere else.
I wouldnt be opposed if it was an NCAA rule for FBS schools, its not a terrible thing to make sure that your players are succeeding at college first before they get to see the field or court.
its not a terrible thing to make sure that your players are succeeding at college first before they get to see the field or court.
I see your point, but I do not understand why for only two sports.
they probably dont have any athletes for their other sports playing for a year and then leaving. However I do agree that it should extend to all freshman if they are serious about this issue, and it shouldnt just apply to revenue generating sports as a way to get out of pretending they aren't a minor league feeder system so they wont have to pay out more money.
@11W what genius thought of this idea
— Darron Lee (@DLeeMG8) February 19, 2015
EDIT: Opps, when I posted this it wasn't added to the article. My bad
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I thought Darron was giving Twitter a break, Haha,
This warrants a comeback.
Waiting for Aaron Craft to tweet, "If I had been ineligible my freshman season, I wouldn't have suffered that one gosh dang A-"
There are plenty of freshmen that get good grades. It's much more difficult to see the field as a freshmen than get the grades.
Why exactly would Darron Lee be so chapped about this?
As a freshman, he played in six plays in two games, then suffered a season-ending injury. So he applied for and received (no gripe from me) a medical redshirt. To get a do-over of his Freshman season.
The genius who thought of "freshman ineligibility" -- the rule in effect for almost all of Coach Woody Hayes' illustrious career, with Coach Hayes' approval as far as I know -- is probably a different genius from the genius who enacted the Medical Redshirt rule.
Why do you repeatedly insist on harshing our mellow with trivial facts? No one cares about your mad Google skills. Kindly go away.
Lee is chapped for the same reason the other posters here are, it doesn't directly affect them but would negatively affect others. Why are you chapped that Lee is chapped?
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Ohio State would leave the B1G before they would agree to this, unless every conference did this.
'these teams need to be more old-school and stay and players ought to finish their education!'
[conference considers banning freshman from play and emphasis on education, a-la old school student athletes]
'well, this idea is bad!'
So a kid like D-Russ signs, sits on the bench for year, and then opts for the draft? How fun.
i think its fair to say that he played himself into a lottery NBA pick and had he not played this season likely would have been here his sophomore year.
they would probably have to make an addendum to extend the length of college stay for NBA eligibility from college, I know this has been a topic of discussion for a while where a lot of coaches are pushing for at least an extra year requirement or something similar to the MLB design where they can go immediately out of HS if they want or they have to remain in college for X years if they choose that route.
Another dumb thing about this... I don't know about you guys, but my freshmen classes, especially the 1st quarter, were by far the easiest of my college career.
understandable but with the amount of time the athletes have to spend within athletics as well as the classroom i think its the intention to allow these freshman the chance to acclimate as well as require them to actually be a student for a year. I dont know if you've been following the basketball side but its become commonplace for the 1 and dones to basically get by the first semester, declare and then drop out.
I honestly don't care about the bball side. If it's a problem there, fix it there. Leave football alone.
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Ya know who's not thinking of this?
Kentucky would crumble into ashes for BB.
You never go full retard like the B1G is talking about doing.
Just FYI - prior to 1972 Freshmen were ineligable
But why was it ever a rule? If a kid is that good as a freshman, let him play. He still has to make the grades to be eligible and stay in school anyway.
There was a freshman team with a schedule in the big 10.
I'd be curious to read/hear what Archie Griffin thinks about this - I believe he was among the first wave of freshmen to take advantage of immediate eligibility (and did he make the most of it.).
i think he was forced to sit his freshman year. that was the year when they said the freshman beat the upperclassmen in a scrimmage.
edit: i was wrong
"His freshman year was the first year freshmen could play on the varsity team, so when he won a starting position, many sophomores were disappointed because Griffin took their spots. Former Ohio State head coach Woody Hayes said of Griffin, "He's a better young man than he is a football player, and he's the best football player I've ever seen.""
Thanks for the lookup, LM...I wasn't sure, but thought he did.
And before 1975, the BIG would only send the winner of the conference to a bowl game. There were A LOT of stupid rules back then.
Horrible. Simply horrible.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
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A: I don't think they believe it will ever happen
B: It is an OUTSTANDING political ploy to shift the narrative from "the D1 big sports are evil money sucking minor leagues for the NBA and NFL that don't even pay their players"....to "D1 sports are really an outstanding mechanism to give kids the opportunity for a college education" ...As an aside, I think it's funny if you compare the relative financial well being to the actual minor leagues of Major League Baseball or Junior Hockey to the kids on schollie at big time schools.... boy those minor league dudes live high on the hog ... NOT.
The rationale up until the early 70's was to lighten the load for the incoming freshman, along with the belief that it gave them a year in the weight room/program to more fully mature physically and mentally before they faced actual competition. It's honestly hard to argue with either point for the average D1 student athlete. I mean look at the pictures of Josh Perry from the time he was a freshman through the start of his junior season.
BTW for all the posters having a negative reaction...most of the stars of OSU's NC team red shirted.....even though Urban proclaims to hate the idea.
You can ban them for their freshman year but what does that accomplish? Let's be honest freshman year is the easiest year in college, you have more time to do what you want because the classes are not that hard, so why not play. Besides sitting out a year does not automatically make you smarter. Have you seen some of the kids who come into school now a days they are huge so I am sure they can take the punishment.
Yeah, I see it as just a "scare" position that the conference big wigs are floating out there to raise awareness of the problems in college basketball, with no intention of actually making it happen. Let's face it, the one-and-done trend in college basketball is even worse than previous status quo and supposedly the NBA owners and players aren't being cooperative in addressing the issues.
A more sensible solution is to go (back?) to a rule, like they do in baseball, whereby kids can declare for the NBA draft out of high school, but if they choose to go to college, they couldn't declare for the draft for three years after that point.
Elliott, Bosa, Bell, Wilson, McMillan, Samuel, Booker, Webb, Holmes, Jones, and Neurnberger didn't redshirt. This year, mostly injured freshman redshirted, other than Hubb (Urban regretted RSing Hubb).
Finally a well reasoned response to this article, thank you.
A lot of people seem to be under the impression that only the B1G schools would be effected by this. This idea is for the entire NCAA landscape. Obviously Delany isn't stupid enough to handcuff only his conference if nobody else will agree to play by the same rules.
The SEC, which if we are being honest recruits the best as a total conference, has not even thought of this. This is a conference by conference thing.
The SEC didn't want to do this either, but they were forced.
Noah Spence begs to differ.
Might as well call this the Kentucky rule. If you can't beat em then ban em. What a stupid rule.
And the funny thing is that this years UK team is so good because a lot of their players who everyone assumed were one and done came back for their sophomore/junior year.
Exactly. It's not like Kentucky is winning it all every year. They are going deep but 2012 was their last nc. It still takes experienced leadership.
it doesnt hurt they signed a ncaa record number of mcdonalds all-americans as incoming freshman either
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How does this help anyone? I am missing the purpose of this...
If this is about basketball, then keep it in that sport. Don't eff up football! Just don't!
One person who I assume would be against this would be Urban Meyer
And, that guy.
Oh, and that one, too.
And, every other damn person with a lick of sense. Just ask DLee...
I don't know that I am completely against the idea as long as all of the conferences follow the same rules. In addition the scholarship numbers will need to be increased too. Because of Title IX, this will cause a ripple effect across all sports. Many freshman, while having the physical ability to play their sport, are not prepared for the rigorous academics that are also required. This would give them time to adjust without the concern of needing to play each week. This used to be the standard back in the day of Woody. So it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I can think of at least one guy who is hoping the B1G passes this stupid policy:
This rule would apply to the SEC too.
They probably weren't in favor of this either, but that didn't stop it from happening now did it?
This idea is so bad it cannot possibly be real, unless it was from a VERY small minority, any act of this sort would literally kill the B1G & every major program would be immediately looking to exit the conference...
"Because I couldn't go for three."
If it ain't broke... Break it?
IF this is B1G specific (they can't be that stupid), well, it would cripple the conference athletically (i.e. football and basketball). My God, Urban Meyer, Harbaugh, Franklin and Dantonio would almost immediately leave for other opportunities, and elite recruits would avoid this league like the plague. The B1G IS NOT the Ivy League. It's also not comprised of 14 Stanford's, Notre Dame's, Vanderbilts and Northwestern's. Stop pretending this isn't a minor league for the NFL. Enjoy it for what it is; the highest level of amateur football played in the world.
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John U. Bacon has been in the forefront of this discussion, for longer than just about anybody I know.
The MGoBoard had an uncharacteristically excellent (lol) discussion here:
Most of them seem to be in agreement and I have to say that I wouldn't expect any different
Your screen name is funny in this context.
This particular reaction, thread-wise (and in almost every single post!) is one of the more SEC-north things I have ever witnessed on ElevenWarriors. I've been such a frequent critic of the MGoBoard, in terms of recent commentary and its longer-term moderation; this thread is the kind of thing I'd criticize if it were on the MGoBoard. For the first time in a long time, I'd say the MGoBoard handled it a lot better.
But good gracious -- there's hardly even any discussion of the merits here. I get the impression that almost nobody understands or even is aware of the thought processes behind the proposal. And of course the Delany "proposal," -- hell, if it even rises to the level of a proposal -- is for a discussion. Half the folks here seem to want to jump to the conclusion that the B1G is on the cusp of imposing this dramatic change unilaterally. So the immediate worry is about a "competitive advantage" with the SEC. And about attracting pre-NFL recruits. And thinking that a Katzenmoyer or a Clarett could not do as Sophomores what they did as Freshmen (?).
Oh well. Not ElevenWarriors' best effort. Sorry. I'm not even going to argue the merits here. It's just too bad that the merits (both sides) aren't even being considered. It's not even a discussion. It's a bunch of JPEGs and .gifs.
DJ; if you wanted to do your readers a solid, I'd suggest that you talk to Bacon about this. Do a nice interview, and post it. I think you -- even if you are acting as Darron Lee's mouthpiece to cross-examine John -- could enlighten your readership no matter how intractable and immune to reason they might be. Or else maybe you could get a word in with Darron Lee, for a debate with Bacon. Maybe we could split the distance and get a room at Toledo's Law School for the match.
Have to say I agree with M-Man here..this was really presented in ham-handed fashion. The comments section is particularly bad; we look like a bunch of monkeys flinging poop around compared to the rational discussions they're having over at MGOBlog.
...aaaaaand Teddy, right on cue, the geniuses of the MGoBoard, lacking any institutional memory, fire up a new thread that isn't any better than this one. No good deed goes unpunished at MGoBlog these days. The "long view" for the CFB blogosphere seems to be measured in milliseconds. Must be all the Ritalin.
Serves me right; going out on the proverbial 11W limb to say something nice about the MGoBoard.
Start it up again tomorrow - it's the offseason (for football anyway) and we all need something to argue about. This is as good a real topic as anything. People are just blowing off steam. Good idea to do a JUB interview or Reddit kind of discussion on here.
could enlighten your readership no matter how intractable and immune to reason they might be
Your trolling becomes less subtle when you say things like this.
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Let's have the discussion. A good, clear, intelligent, informed discussion. And if the 11W Forum can conduct that, you know I'll be the first to congratulate the participants.
Ok...I can see how this could be a good thing...having that year off would allow these kids to become more comfortable to their schedules and classes, but I still don't like it. Freshman have made huge impacts on turning teams around rapidly
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And it has to be an NCAA-wide rule, or it's just going to put the B1G at a marked disadvantage when it comes to recruiting.
From how I understand it, it is a national proposal...not sure why the B1G seems to be singled out. I can see the good for football, bad for basketball
John U Bacon is always a great read. Excellent stuff from the guy.
Way to piss away all the good karma the bowl season got you Delaney
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
This is so much of a bad Idea that Urban may have to get out in front of this shit and sink this quick fast.. You best believe as I type SEC recruiters are on the phone or Twitter saying how "you won't play as a freshman" or how "the big10 hates kids"...
Genius, pure genius...oh, Darron already mentioned that didn't he ?
I have a Grandson who may attain the fortunate status of being offered an athletic scholarship in a couple more years. Guess what his thoughts were on that situation....hmmm ?
2013 bosa. mo clarett. greg oden. mike conley. sully. d-russ. 2008 pryor. 2006 beanie torching michigan for a long TD. andy katzenmoyer. all would no longer be possible. stupid stupid stupid
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The B1G seems intent on creating a competitive disadvantage for themselves.
Just as they are poised to overcome their "second-rate conference" reputation, they pull a stunt like this, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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This has to be fake, I do not think the big ten can be this stupid
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No way it would happen unless all P5 conferences bought in. In fact - it might take the non-P5 conferences, as well.
"you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning"
The only beneficiaries would be the non-P5 conferences, unless this implemented across the board, including the other divisions.
The day that Archie Griffin came in for Morris Bradshaw and gained over 200 yards jammed that freshman door wide open. I don't see it closing.
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Actually it was Elmer Lippert he replaced vs. UNC.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
Elmer Lippert--I totally forgot that name. I remember listening to the radio when that freshman ran all over the field, though.
Go Indy if it happens .. Fucking bad and dumb idea from the big ten..
"To The House"
I will be in the minority. I think it is a good idea. A year to develop physically, academically, and emotionally. Still give them 4 years of playing eligibility. Most of this year's "freshmen" with significant playing time were either red shirts or January entries. I agree it would hurt with the recruiting of 5 and 4 stars players if not required of all schools.
Personally I can't stand what Kentucky has done to college basketball. I am hoping they get beat by someone like Iowa State.
I will be in the minority. I think it is a good idea. A year to develop physically, academically, and emotionally. Still give them 4 years of playing eligibility.
that is why you have red shirting. And regarding the kentucky comment, several college teams have been recruiting one and done players including Duke. And this years Kentucky team is being lead by juniors and sophomores who didn't leave after one year.
I don't think this would solve whatever it is they are attempting to accomplish by doing this. There will be ways around this rule anyway. Kids will take college credits in HS, so that when they arrive at college, they'll have sophomore status and be able to play when they arrive. This will just put more pressure on kids while in HS. I found this out when my son went to college. Freshman weren't allowed to have cars on campus, but after one semester, he was a sophomore because of credits he earned while in HS, I then had a kid and a car away at college...
They better do this for all sports, not just football and men's basketball. Why are these sports being singled out?
The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes
I know I'm not the first to say this but it's worth repeating: this is an incredibly stupid idea. Unless the Big Ten wants to turn into the Sun Belt. If a freshman is good enough to play, let them play.
Maryland squeaks into the Big-10 and now they want to run football. Take a step back please, Mr. Loh.
How many NFL caliber recruits would the Big-10 attract after a bone-headed move like that? 1 out of 20? If that. We'd become Division 2 overnight.
Loh is out of line. Dumbest idea I've heard since the last pass in the Super Bowl.
Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season
hes proposing it for the NCAA... which would cover at minimum all of FBS and D1 schools
I think this is a good idea . . . . For me to poop on!
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Stupidity would create more stupidity. If you have 25 players on your roster that can not play plus medical red shirts not playing then at least an additional 5 scholarships per year in football and 1 in basketball must be added.
Question....If Freshman are not allowed to play, would red shirting, other than medical red shirts, be eliminated?
As long as the SEC bans freshman, sophomores and juniors from playing, I'm cool with it.
This is about the money. About being able to stop the players from being able to get paid or unionized. That's why it's only for revenue sports. They don't care how bad they muck it up. They think most of us will come no mater what they do and as a result figure that 100% of 1 billion is better than 80% of 950 million. And you know, they are probably right. Yeah the game will suffer but it'll still be what's going on during a fall Saturday.
Don't be surprised if this gets through. Don't be surprised at all.
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So stupid. This reeks of appeasement to the academia type. You know -- the stuffy, elitist, pompous, tenured professors who don't really give a shit about football or basketball, but worry about what their fellow tenured college professor egghead types think in regards to an institution's academic reputation. They will sacrifice sports programs for their low self-esteem. It's a minority of morons, but, like many other things in this country --- common sense goes out the window in the name of "education".
In reality, it's not the "education" of the "student-athlete" these eggheads really care about. They care more about themselves and their ego. This is actually phony moral outrage, self-righteousness, political correctness, appeasement.
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"In reality, it's not the "education" of the "student-athlete" these eggheads really care about. They care more about themselves and their ego. This is actually phony moral outrage, self-righteousness, political correctness, appeasement"
Exactly. Far too many tenured "professors" haven't seen the inside of a classroom in this century.
I had a long post typed out about the idiocy of the B1G but I scrapped it for this gif
You see what this is going to do, right? The FCS and DIII schools should be jumping for joy. They will have a greater chance to recruit the very types of athletes ready to go pro after a year... And as others noted, I find it not so surprising to hear crickets on this potential movement from the SEC. Delaney's genius will be that we turn into the IVY league or become like Notre Same... Athletically irrelevant.
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This is simply a case of the egg head Presidents trying to show everyone that they are still in charge.........
"Because I couldn't go for 3"
It's my understanding this is because the NBA won't adopt the three year rule, yes or no?
Also, it might seem a smart attorney (insert oxymoron joke here) could argue this violates restriction of trade, which has been extended to individuals in recent years. If kids can't be one and done, they are losing out on $millions$...
If the B1G does the Freshman Ineligibility thing unilaterally, then we know that ALL of the top recruits will go elsewhere. Maybe some of the top coaches as well.
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Where there are stupid rules. There are loopholes for stupid rules. While I realize this is just in "talks". Even if this was put in play you would see I think more prep school/boarding school football teams getting flooded with players trying to get past freshman equivalent classes their senior years of high school.And would this rule be in effect for early enrollee's?. Too many loopholes for this ever to go into effect in this day and age.
What makes me mad is that ESPN is now going to cover this like it's a huge story. It's a non-story. It's something that would never/could never happen in this day in age. If one person comes up to me and says, "Hey did you hear this huge story about freshmen not being able to play," I swear I will punch them in the face. This happening is 10 times less likely then a college athlete being paid a million dollars to play in college. I cannot wait until this goes away (please be tomorrow!).
HA! That is in the HOF for Epically Bad Ideas. Put this freshman proposal right beside it (and leave it there!).
So, their idea is freshmen could go greek, join a political or social club, play another sport, have a legit or not so legit job, but those assholes who try to play football or basketball clearly aren't involved in academics?
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THIS BETTER NOT BE TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's almost laughable how dumb the decision makers in the Big Ten are! These people have no clue. This might be the single dumbest idea ever. It would completely ruin college sports. Of all the positive changes that could be made in college sports they come up with this. Fire them all into the sun, ecspecially that pompous nerd Delaney!
Jim Delaney is such a cunt. Just seeing his smig face makes me angry.
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Sad to say, but most commenters here just do not seem to understand the story whatsoever. 11W needs to present this issue in the correct context with pros and cons to allow for reasonable debate. Right now, this is simply becoming another example of group speak and nonsense. For example, most seem to think that this is something that the B1G is considering to do unilaterally. Also, many think that most of this year's team consisted of freshmen. (Pop Quiz: how many true freshmen starters were on this team?)
This story just has it all wrong. Freshman ineligibility is not a bad idea, but a good one... IF you are more interested in the college part of "college sports". To be honest, I have hoped for this for a very long time. There is a very real difference between student athletes and the sort of minor league players that we see in college sports today. As an educator, I agree with our academicians that our sports programs should consist of our students playing sports rather than athletes pretending to be students. A return to Freshman ineligibility does not accomplish that in and of itself, but it does move in the right direction. Increasing academic standards for enrollment and then increasing that standard throughout the students' academic career will help even more. Let the non-student athletes go to play sports in the semi-pros instead of playing school.
+1 BuckGuy....Obviously coaches and ADs will be against this because they want to win because it makes them $$....on the other hand, this will allow university presidents to maintain better control of their institutions...we all remember the ill timed joke of "I just hope Coach Tressel doesn't dismiss me"...sports need to be in their place at the university.
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I understand the sentiment they are trying to put forth, but it would have to be an NCAA-wide rule. That is not something conference by conference should do. I don't agree with the idea, but to even bring it up as a B1G only rule is somewhat disturbing, actually.
Kids that want to go to Ohio State/Michigan/MSU/Penn State/Wisconsin/Nebraska and will be players that will be playing in the pros in 1-3 years (depending on sport) will no longer even consider going to the University. Players that also go pro after 3 years are still able to come back and complete their education. If this were to go into effect it wouldn't hurt some teams all that much but you can forget about a big10 national champion in football or bball ever again. Delaney is a lot of things--but to be remembered as the guy in charge that stopped the BIG 10 from winning another major championship ever again--I think he knows better than that (let's hope). I mean if you want to have 14 Indiana's...well then, have at it hoss.
Because I couldn't go for three...
If it was an NCAA decision across the board - then maybe. Why not let the kids have a shot at school and academics and a year to settle in? But how would scholarships work? Still 4 years of eligibility total or would everyone only have 3? How would recruiting work - what if you sign with notre shame realize they suck during your freshman year before youve played? Can u transfer? It could be a transferrig fiesta as I could see many players changing their minds.
a LOT of details would need to be addressed.
Changing the big ten only would be a complete utter suicide mission. Fatal error.
"Let's make these elite kids work for FREE!
We'll work 'em like rented mules! For as long as we possibly can!
Then we'll scoop up 100's of millions more from TV revenues! Sweet!
They can't afford to buy a car, or go out to dinner once in a while? That's their problem"
If any boneheaded NCAA move will get these kids unionized, its this one.