God I hate Michigan. Get well JT!
If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. ~ Bruce Lee
Right ankle being reported.
“I have yet to be in a game where luck was involved. Well-prepared players make plays. I have yet to be in a game where the most prepared team didn't win.” -Urban Meyer-
Sprained? I hope?
I'm thinking it has to be a high ankle sprain. Silence from OSU is a good thing because if there was a fracture or break, they would know with X-rays rather quickly.
Trust me, I'm a lawyer.
Dispatch reporter Tim May is reporting broken bone in his ankle
Because they wouldn't let me go for 3!
Woody Hayes 1913-1987
If its fibula he might be ready in 5 weeks.
Be strong JT, the teams got your back!!!!!
GO BUCKS - HAVE FAITH!
Poor guy. I feel terribly for him.
Radio says right ankle and may be headed to hospital for further evaluation, get well JT
When I was 6 I was thinking about this rivalry. This one is seared on your soul, It's ingrained through every part of your body. -Urban Meyer
Going forward Meyer and Hermann will have to re-evaluate how much they run their main QB. How about letting Marshall throw a few safe passes, so that you can line him up and make the opposing defense respect the pass? Otherwise you're playing with this kind of fire all the time.
Agree. Most QBs really are not built and/or conditioned to take that pounding.
Really makes me sick about Barrett. He's had such a magical run this far.
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I know. What do they think is going to happen when they keep running our QB up the middle! We have to many weapons to not use them. I'm really upset with their decisions to overuse him. Most importantl though just get well JT. That's all that matters.
"Michigan Sucks" -Abraham Lincoln
He had the option to pitch the ball. He chose to keep it himself. It doesnt mattet how much a qb runs or doesnt run it can happen on any play.
And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!
How about we just get Marshall involved early (or at all) after he just had a 4 TD performance? Then they have to respect that sweep.
That play was an option. Our entire running game is either QB leads, QB counters, or an option: inside/outside zone reads, speed option, etc.. It's not a play choice. It is a philosophy. When the QB is a possible carrier, you get an extra blocker, and in the case of option, another player is left unblocked and is occupied by the option. So, play-side, you'll have 4 on 3 with 1 of them dealing with the option. They can sneak a safety in, but that's when you pull it and throw over the top. There are no alternatives. We could stop running all together, I guess...
Time for the lightning rod that is Cardale Jones. Get better, JT.
Enjoying the Buckeyes from a warmer climate.
We're gonna find out if Cardale did indeed come to play football (as opposed to school). ;-)
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
Simply trying to find a little humor in an otherwise crappy situation. I'm going to laugh so's I don't cry.
Fair enough. My apologies for the negativity, was in a bad mood about JT.
We can win with Cardale
cardale is thunder
Please oh please let it be something minor.
Maybe you didn't watch the replay, but his ankle was pointing in the opposite direction of the rest of his leg. It was gruesome, no chance it's minor...I feel so badly for him. What a tough dude that has been lights out this year. Hopefully it's just a few months of rehab and recovery and he'll be back to himself, but damn.
"I pet a llama once. That's the manliest thing I've ever done."
I don't know anything about body injuries, but from what I could see, it wasn't 'gruesome' as the announcers said. How bad do you think it looked?!
"You are confined only by the walls you build yourself."
Wasn't gruesome, wasn't pretty either.
From only one angle you could see his foot pointing the wrong way. My guess...broken ankle OR lower leg bone (fibula)
Agree with you juice. Broken ankle or fibula
Everyone hope for a high ankle sprain
Even a high ankle sprain would likely mean no bowl.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
Still better than a full dislocation or a break. It's not all about football either
Get better soon, JTB. Awful way to end a great season.
Until the diagnosis is in, I'm going to keep hoping for a double miracle of making the playoff and getting JT back for it. But how they use him HAS to change.
No way he is back this season. We are talking about a 3 month healing period either way. He just needs to rehab and get ready to play lights out next season.
Exactly why Herman will need 2 Heisman QB 's next year
Bingo. I've been saying this since the QB controversy started. To have two extremely dynamic, top notch players capable of playing like Braxton and JT can it's not only amazing but necessary with this type of QB run-heavy offense.
LMFAO there was a QB controversy? When did bM Come back and was held out or was cordell tearing it up in practice enlighten me in case i was in a coma and no one told me.
I know of only two things that are infinite, space and human stupidity.....and I'm not sure about space". Albert Einstein.
Sick to my stomach over this. I appreciate Gardner's class.
I couldn't agree more. Can't remember last time I liked a xichigan player, but this was close.
"Indecision may (or may not) be my downfall."
Totally agree. With a real coach, I believe he could play at the next level.
I'm just disgusted by Herman. He'll run every QB we have into the ground for his own ends. His garbage play calling is the reason JT is hurt. I wish he'd jsut fuck off and go take a shitty head coaching job somewhere. 4 td's last week and. marshall touches the ball twice. POS.
A gentle reminder to BE NICE. Plays guitar and makes iced tea in the winter.
This isn't Herman buddy, this is the offensive style that Meyer brought with him. Fickell & Walrus were doing the same with Braxton. It's what they do with dynamic runners.
"Don't think, bad for the team."
I guess it is useless to say that QB are safer running than standing in the pocket...physics and everything. It's not like a QB ever got hurt before the spread to run.
If that's the case then why did Meyer not have quarterbacks with season ending injuries at University of Florida your statement has no merit
2012 Beat Michigan Tail gate: UFM: "Let’s beat the sh*t out of Michigan, have a good night."
He didn't run much with Leak, and Tebow was the size of a defensive end.
We have two quarterbacks that were hurt as a direct result from running.
you don't have to have your quarterback run constantly to be successful, they just have to be a threat to run to make the defense account for them.
When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.
It was a football play that happened in a football game. Barrett made the read and decided to keep the ball instead of giving it to Marshall.
A real shame he was injured and I wish him a full and quick recovery.
J.T. Barrett is a great player with a bright future. Hopefully this is only a minor setback.
you're right. Our offense was much better with Walrus ball. (note the sarcasm font)
He may have had to leave the field, but JTBIV still inspired his teammates...
Head up, young man.
Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here.
Get better good buddy!
true class by Gardner. Really was. Looked like Barrett was mouthing 'I'm good' before they cut to commercial. Hope he is ok.
You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.
I thought I saw that too.
i hope he is
We'll be okay. Cardale is a baller!
The juice is worth the squeeze
My despair is absolute.
Jones came to beat Michigan.
Get well soon Joe Thomas.
High and tight boo boo
Hope Braxton kept his receipt for those Birkenstocks.
The replay looked bad, but I've seen players come back from worse and play the following week. Just pray he is OK.
*the season isn't necessarily over for JT. Positive vibes.
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
OSU has to find a way to reduce QB carries. There has been a significant QB injury every year under Meyer
Get well soon JT, I hope it wasn't as bad as it looked
It's not Meyer, it's part of the run-heavy offensive systems used across college football today. The dual-threat QB's that thrive in these systems know this. Nobody is lied about carrying the ball.
Need pocket QB! Help IS on the way.
Feel the worst for JT - no way the committee lets OSU win without him... What a terrible way to go down...
In case you're curious, it's Mr. Spray
Ick the diagnosis but it looked horrible in the replay and before they put the cast on it. Get well JT! Buckeye Nation loves ya buddy!
I don't understand how or why, but if JT has to miss considerable time... then I think down the road this will only add to his legacy. The comeback is always greater than the setback.
Just saw an MD on Twitter saying that a frame-by-frame analysis looks like it's a severe high ankle sprain. Anyone familiar with the timetable on that injury?
EDIT: sorry for the shitty embed:
@DaveMSiebert: JT Barrett replay shows severe high-ankle sprain. Vacuum splint means concern for a fracture/dislocation component. Hate this. #MICHvsOSU
If that's the case it's basically like breaking your leg.
Sprain is not the same as a leg break. Even a severe sprain.
Depending on severity (and if there is ligament/tendon damage) it could be short or long.
He said it was a severe high ankle sprain. That would make the severity "severe" and would be essentially the same thing as a break. Best case is he's back for a bowl game but I don't think that happens unless we make the playoffs.
We're in a bowl for sure, just which one is TBD.
If it's a ligament tear, then rehab is gonna be a couple of months. I tore a ligament in my wrist while trying to land a 360 while snowboarding and it took about 2 months after surgery just to be able to lift 5lbs consistently with my wrist. Granted i'm not an elite athlete, so I'm sure rehab time could be quicker with all the resources they have available. Hope JTB gets well soon!!!!
From what I've seen other guys have, he'd be unlikely but not out for a bowl/playoff.
Wow, hope it's not a break or dislocation. That vacuum split does seem to indicate a more severe issue, though I'm hoping it's largely preventative.
Just saw this from Tim May
Sources telling me JT Barrett has right ankle dislocation and probable broken bone. Was taken to hospital immediately.
— Tim May (@TIM_MAYsports) November 29, 2014
Im pretty tired of negative posts. Im glad we are going to win but just am crushed and feel for JT. Literally these guys are all kids. Root for them and stay positive. Fire Fickell Herman sucks Urban has lost it.... Shut up. Enjoy the bucks and love them good and bad.
Last post ever. GO BUCKS!!!
I hear that. I had to hit the door to the game chat because of it. The negative cromagnon's ruined it. scUM games seem to bring it out.
High ankle sprains can take 4-6 weeks
Some take longer to heal than a break.
As someone whose had several high ankle sprains, a dislocated ankle, and a broken ankle during my soccer days, I can tell you the severe high ankle sprain took the longest to recover from by far. Wasn't even close. Took over a year to be back to speed.
Obviously, though, every injury is different. Hoping JT's is as minor as is possible and he has a speedy recovery.
Remember when we thought Braxton was out for the season after that Purdue horsecollar?
Maybe we'll get lucky again...
A stable of running backs, 2 of which are pretty good in Ezekiel Elliott, Curtis Samuel. Brionte Dunn, Warren Ball also there.
ONE QB who can play. JT Barrett
2nd down and 1.
Hand the ball off to a RB.
Playing the result much?
That play, along with 80% of our other running plays, is an option. The other 20% are designed QB keeps. We should stop doing all that, right?
When armed with the outcome, questioning play calling is ridiculous. If you or I were to tweet something about offensive play calling and Urban were to correct what was said, everyone in the world would consider his correction to be correct over the point made in the original tweet, whether right or wrong. Why then, are people so quick to think they know better than the coach with the highest active winning percentage, that spent the last week getting paid a lot of cash to prepare to call plays?
I didn't hear any complaints when J.T. took the same play 86 yards against Minnesota.
Thought and prayers for JT. What an amazing young man. Also, incredibly classy act by Devon Gardner.
"It all goes so fast, and character makes the difference when it's close."
Put in Brax.
Kidding obviously, but I will say this:
I really hope JT is ok. He has stepped up as a tremendous leader and has done so much for this young team.
Additionally, I now have the utmost respect for Gardner after what he did on the field when JT went down. If he can put the rivalry aside to make sure our QB is ok, we should certainly all be able to put the rivalry side for a moment and appreciate him doing that.
We are red shirting Collier. I still think Jones can be a lot more dangerous than people think.
Cardale was first replacement up until a week before Brax was hurt.
He'll be fine.
I doubt we'll see JT again this year. Hope I'm wrong. As I said elsewhere, the shame is that happened because JT made the wrong choice on the read option, which he'd played so well all year. His reads were actually pretty poor all day.
I said the same thing.... He makes the proper read its an OSU 1st down and he is still playing.
I understand this offense utilizes the talents of running QB's....but I think it should be a matter of CONTEXT. Why a routine 2nd and 1 requires a QB run as opposed to Ezekiel powering forward is beyond me.
You know that is an option, right?
If J. T. is gone, I suppose the committee will not want to put OSU in the playoff regardless.
But for now, just hoping J. T. can come back.
I hate _ichigan, but Devin Gardner's OK
Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege.
Tyrion: A wedding.
If we blast whoever we play next it will be hard to keep us out
J.T. was successful, in part, because of the amount of talent around him. Cardale can be successful in different ways as long as he distributes the ball. Also, I read a Tweet saying an MRI on his ankle is underway. If it's an ankle, even broken, he could be back before playoffs. So, I doubt the committee will dock them.
Urban..work on the friggin defense this week..
Anything on radio about the injury?
Why does this keep happening?
He's getting a MRI right now per inside sources. Hope for the best.
The offseason is the longest season.
Get well soon JT...you were amazing this year!
fuck you Tom Herman…I'm going to jail
Great sportsmanship on Gardner's behalf. It's easy to dislike scUM, but it's another to dislike a human being for being thoughtful. I tip my hat to Gardner, not sure that I would've done the same if I were in his situation.
Thank you for the great season JT. Best wishes and I hope you heal well.
— Freep Sports (@freepsports) November 29, 2014
Ive seen Braxton and now JT get crucified to make this offense work…it's sad… I hope Cardale can lead us to a B1G title…but, Im struggling to find a reason to believe
Braxton messed up his shoulder throwing. When you say, "this offense," are you talking about the forward pass?
That was classy and I appreciate Gardners concern. This game was odd throughout...I could have swore I seen us helping them back on their feet a few times and vice versa.
F@ck you Michigan!! F@ck you!! Enjoy your last game of the season
seize the carpe
Get well soon JT.
Risk It For a Biscuit.
Braxton: done, JT: done, #HermanBall
2 straight (maybe 3) B1G MVPs #HermanBall
My heart sunk watching that play. I'm hoping it's just a bad sprain... D and O-line are going to have to step up because this team is gonna run the ball a lot if Cardale is the QB.
No idea the extent of the injury but the eye test says he's definitely not playing next week. Possibly bowl game. I'd say that will keep us out of the playoffs but.....this defense is not national championship quality. I'd rather win a bowl game that take a beat down from Bama as the 4 seed It just makes all these underclass men that much hungrier.
As as for the game......was Jalin Marshall in the witness protection program?? A decoy???
I'm glad you're not my doctor. "Eye test says you're fine"
Ha! They were considering an MRI, but for the sake of time, opted for the eye test.
Ohio State has never been known as a quarterback factory. Next week (possibly) we will be starting a game with not one but two Heisman caliber QBs on the bench.
Edit: Forgot to wish JT a speedy recovery.
Amazing qb and leader. Prayers for sure.
Next man up! Jones has a big arm and let's face it he can take the pounding of the running! Just hoping with one week, that they can get him comfortable. He will see 8 or 9 in the box...so he better start loosing that cannon up!
Who knows, but the look of the play I would suggest broken fibula and ankle. Thankfully Urban has played the JT/Braxton talks the way he has. Recovering from that injury, if it is so, it is a long road. I had the same injury in a CFB game tackling a guy and a lineman lunging at my legs and my cleat didn't give from the turf. 13yrs later, I am still not the same. Horrible inury.
Positive thoughts, vibes, and all else I can conjure to JT and his family.
My friend just posted a picture on Facebook of Barrett back in the shoe. Said he didn't look in to much pain.
Pics or it never happened.
RT OSU QB JT Barrett hurt and then... "@rtoro20: @AlbertBreer ...watching the end of the game from the stands! pic.twitter.com/3flx6gcKZC"
— The Gridiron (@TheGridiron_) November 29, 2014
"Year for what?"
Awesome post, thanks
Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.
This has got to be one of the coolest things I've ever seen!!!!!
What does Braxton's shoulder injury have to do with HermanBall?
So apparently he was seen sitting in the stands without a cast or anything? Like I'm sitting here with my buddy and there's a picture on Twitter if someone could embed it or has more info that'd be cool
I saw him
Later in 4th quarter...seemed oddly ok
There's no points for second place, gentlemen.
Thats the picture passed around my guess is it was from JT visit or something. Know way he is in the stands.
Anybody blaming Tom Herman or Urban Meyer for JT's injury needs to be evaluated by a psychiatrist. Are you seriously questioning running the QB on 2nd down? If he would have scored, you would probably think he was a genius. I would elaborate further, but it is obviously above your mental capacity.
Best wishes to JT for a speedy and full recovery. Definitely looked like a broken leg of some sort.
Great win against TTUN. Let's get ready for the B1G Championship! Go Bucks!
I agree Buckeye 80. But this offense does expose the QB to more hits
Agreed. Injuries are unfortunately part of the game. It's not like we were up 50 and he was still in the game.
Keeping fingers crossed...my 1st thought was his knee and hearing ankle area makes me feel a little better. Probably the most dis-heartening win over scUM ever. Way to finish the game though fellas.
Please tell me if I'm being overly sensitive, but did it seem to anyone else that the Michigan defender took the opportunity to apply additional pressure to Barrett's body when his leg was bent back? Perhaps not dirty or malicious, but certainly unnecessary.
Agree, but I don't think that's any different than every other down of football played today
I feel so bad for JT. Not for us fans, but because, most likely, his magical season is over. He has played better than anyone could have imagined, me included, and I hate to see his season end this way.
Get well JT
Thank you for Just Doin you
JT made 2014 an amazing season
I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
You can say that again... This has been one of my favorite seasons watching my buckeyes!
I confess, after that THE game last season, I kinda liked Gardner. I always measure wins against the quality of the adversity and the opponents. To me, beating this team is always a quality win and players like Gardner contribute regardless of their individual statistics. It's the big reason the B1G will always be the best conference, imo.
Get better #16.
And if #5 is ready to go, let's get him back in there for the B1G CG and the Playoff run. Plus avoid any QB controversy next season.
No way Braxton is ready. He is almost cleared to throw a nerf ball, but no way he'll be cleared to play next week.
Are you high? There's no way he's ready.
One could argue that Ohio State suffered the two biggest injuries in the college football season this year. Get well JT, and thanks for a great season.
No way he was in the stands and not on the sidelines with his teammates ... That just makes no sense
Life is short. Filled with stuff.
Makes perfect sense. Why lose the momentum of winning one for your fallen leader in the locker room. Sideline could have been a distraction.
It is a bit grating to see him run 15 to 20 times a game, that being said this is how the QB works in Urban's system. They wouldn't be where they are without him doing that, so, take the good with the bad. Very classy of Gardner to go out there though. As much as I despise Michigan, aside from Bosa's one bonehead move, a well played game. Next man up Cardale. Throw in about 10 plays with Marshall in wildcat, maybe even a pass. Also, WHY IS RAEKWON NOT PLAYING EVERY SINGLE F-#KING PLAY? Enough with this subbing crap. Every play he is in, good stuff happens, needs to be on the field all the time.
Very true, some additional QB contact is going to happen with this style of offense. Cardale obviously wasn't recruited for this offense and hasn't had the practice reps so much. Nevertheless, the fact that he's such a big, tough guy will stand him and the Bucks in good stead over the next couple of games, as I'm sure our offensive scheme is going to be a conservative pound-it style.
Agree wholeheartedly about Kwon.
Sad thing is if he had handed the ball off to Elliot, Zeke would have had the first down and JT wouldn't be hurt. Totally gutted...
Get well soon kid, you are a true leader of men and had a wonderful season.
Ok Cardale, you didn't come to play school. It's time to play football.
"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever. David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel
Who is the next man up if Cardale gets hurt?
Torrance Gibson...lol...probably Jalin Marshall
He'd have to scrap the red shirt, right?
JT is a class act, so was Gardner's display of sportsmanship - two class acts.
JT is why you like CFB. Dude is a class act in an era of "me". Very proud to call hima Buckeye.
Doubt many people with a horrible injury, the weight of the playofffs and the Heisman to go into the stands with no emotion to cheer his team and go into the locker room after the game to talk with the team prior to surgery would do the same. Terrific young man.
How about dislocation & no break? Could we get lucky?
We didn't get lucky...
All college QB's are expected to run a fair amount. Its too easy to take advantage of inexperience and lack of skill when QB's scramble. The pro systems o not have that lack of experience or lack of skill to cover a scramble. This is why college uses running QB's. It seems they do lean on the QB a bit much. Jalin Marshall/Cardale could work... Jalin Marshall might be the man, kid is off the fricking chain. Cardale has the power...
Great game!!! J.T. is the man!!! I hated to see him get hurt!!! Unfortunently we have had bad luck when it comes to injuries this year!!! Cardale is a good pro style offensive quarterback but Ohio State runs the spread offense!!!! We shall see!!!
F@#$ hate Devin but all the props in the world for showing some serious sportsmanship! Hard to say anything bad for somebody who do that!
The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced
There was a JT/Braxton thread recently where someone touted JT's durability over Braxton and everyone failed to mention JT's historical injury. Yes, I realize this injury is completely unrelated to his old one but to tout his durability over Braxton's was always a wash. Both historically and because it's hard to stay healthy as a QB running the ball in this system all year long.
Preparing for the worst next week.
Stay the course
Tim May saying broken ankle and surgery is expected to happen tomorrow.
An emotional moment captured by USA Today. I did notice a Michigan player walk over to Barrett although I had no clue it was Gardner. Much respect.
I know Barrett requires surgery, but did he suffer a dislocated ankle? For his sake, I hope not. That is the same injury that Laquon Treadwell suffered a few weeks ago when he was tackled with a horse collar on the goal line. It is a long road to recovery and it is possible that your ankle is not what it once was. I hope that Barrett is lucky.
Gardner's going over and wishing Barrett well was very classy.
The reality is that both Braxton and JT are tremendous runners in very different ways. It makes perfect sense our coaching staff has tried to utilize those talents though injury is certainly part of the equation.
Best wishes to JT with the surgery and recovery. I miss him already but am also confident that Cardale will be ready next week. Go Bucks!
Ohio State NOW has 2 Heisman candidates QB's returning from surgery next year and a possible National Championship QB.
Terrible end to the season for JTB!!! Feel for him!
Get healthy young man!! See ya in the spring!!
Sadly enough -- the Game of Thrones game day poster is oddly appropriate. JT Barrett's story book season could not have ended worse if George R. R. Martin had written it himself.
Thankfully he was not at a wedding.
.I'm only half joking -- or maybe I should say 'japing' as Tyrion would -- I feel terrible for JT as I'm sure everyone on this board does. But it's still better to laugh at misfortune than to cry.
Good luck to Cardale, and speedy recoveries to Braxton and JT.
I's amazing how much respect JT has earned throughout the course of the season. His ability and character are outstanding. I don't know if you could hear the fans chanting JT JT JT on the TV as they were tending to him on the field. A fallen hero, who will be back.
Terrible injury, my younger brother suffered the same injury as JT to a lesser degree while at BGSU, its about 12 month's of recovery time on average, my brother came back in 9 months, but wasn't truly the same player until the next year, we will be lucky if he is ready by next year, but hopefully by then Braxton will be back & we can get use a MRS on JT, don't want to rush him back the kid has a bright future, wishing JT a full & speedy recovery...
"Because I couldn't go for three."
Did anyone know why Kirk Ferentz was with JT on the golf cart?