MSU..blah. Nobody wants to see Bama vs. MSU again.
...and nobody will see that again Beth :)
I love this graphic because it depicts a rematch of a game that was played already this year.
Read my entire screen name....
I hate post-season rematches. They were right when they didn't let OSU and Michigan rematch (we learned both teams were over-rated) and they were wrong when they let Alabama and LSU rematch (we learned nothing). Please let us use the post-season to learn something new about teams... there are too few games in college football to purposefully waste one of them on a rematch.
This is why only conference champions should be allowed in the 4-team playoff.
"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."
But that LSU / Alabama rematch was such a great game!
Apparently 14 of the 22 defensive starters in that game went to the NFL.. so, while I do not support the rematch, there's definitely a good reason that it was a low scoring game.
The BCSCG was a terrible game though. It was a 21-0 snoozefest.
I agree, but had they shut out Florida and allowed OSU and Michigan to play again in Glendale the SEC would have never birthed Frankenstein's monster and it's Satanic spawn for the following 7 years. While a rematch between 2 Big Ten schools would have not been the right move, it still would have been the lesser of two evils. Hindsight is 20/20.
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But we probably wouldn't have ended up with Urban. We'd have one more title under Tress, but Urban is going to get us multiple titles in the coming years. I'm a believer.
Ahhh reminds us of the NC game SEC vs SEC... lowest TV rated game in BCS history.
Looks right to me. Keep winning...conference championship game will work wonders.
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That's fine for now.
committee of morons. What a clown show
Why? You'll be singing a different tune when the Buckeyes are at 4 in a few weeks. I think the Committee has been fair. There are some disagreements I have but this is far from a moronic list. The logic the Committee has demonstrated is that winning against Wisconsin is going to matter.
I agree. I think the committee has been pretty darn close to what I feel is fair. Heck of a lot better than the AP poll where fsu is #1! As soon as the Buckeyes beat Wisc in the Big Ten Champ game we will be in a good spot.
"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
I want to believe they are being fair, I do, but it is hard to think that way. Wishing MSU would of fell farther but knew they wouldn't deep down. But what I do disagree with 100% is that we didn't jump TCU after they were almost beat by a 3 and something Kansas team. But crossing fingers the Bucks will continue to win and by the end be in that top 4.
I think the committee is pretty high on the Buckeyes, right now. Imo, #6 was spot-on fair for us this week.
Now we're in striking distance to the final 4... In 2-3 weeks, we'll be sitting at either #4 or #3.
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The thing about TCU is, is that they are probably the team with the best shot, aside from the Buckeyes, at winning out. The top 4 teams all have very real possibilities of dropping a game...
Mississippi State's only loss is to the #1 team in the country. And they were on the road. It was a 5 point game. They should be ahead of all the other 1 loss teams. Makes total sense to me that they're still in the top 4.
I felt like Baylor should have jumped TCU. Both SOS suck, and Baylor won the head to head. My top 7 would have been 1-Alabama 2-Florida State 3- Mississippi State 4- Oregon 5- Baylor 6- Ohio State 7 - TCU.
I still think all of the teams ahead of us could lose another game. A conference championship game win should provide a push over the 2nd SEC West team, and the Big 12 champ.
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How can you justify Oregon above FSU though?
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In my opinion, you can justify it by SOS, and eye test. In my opinion, the only possible way you can have FSU ahead of Oregon is if you base it off of last year.
i would justify by the fact that whether they won in completely impressive fashion or not, they still took care of business and have won all of their games. I think wins and losses matter, and if you're the only undefeated power five team, then you should be ranked number one. That's just my opinion. Everyone on here was saying the same thing I'm saying a couple weeks ago when they were pissed that ole miss was ranked ahead of the bucks when they had 2 losses compared to the bucks 1 loss.
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If Ohio State was undefeated and jumped by a 1-loss I think you might have a different outlook. It's the same argument of last year, had OSU gone undefeated, would a 1-loss SEC team jump an undefeated Big10 champion? The answer is always NO...because going undefeated is really hard and it has to mean something, especially coming from a P5 conference. FSU should be #1....they might not be playing like a #1 team should, but they still don't have a loss.
Because Oregon looks better? This committee has done it's job, which was to rank teams based on more than just the record, but to throw in the eye test and other factors. FSU has not looked as good as Oregon imo. But that's just my opinion.
And, it's just a number. In the playoff, there is absolutely no difference between being the #2 or the #3 team. If you were talking the difference bet a #3 and #4 ranking, there would be reason to debate it.
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Imo in addition to the eye test there is the smell test and every one of FSU's stinks to high heaven!
You can write all the scripts for people you want, it doesn't mean they're going to take direction.
I would imagine that the committee would really (secretly) like for FSU to drop out of the picture all together. Not only is J. Winston a train-wreck of a human being, but the team is playing sub-par when compared to the rest of the top 8.
If/when Buckeyes beat Hoosiers, -ichigan and B1G W leader, Buckeyes will be the #2 or #3 seed.
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Remember when everyone was all over the committee when they dissed Notre Dame after the Florida State game...they must know more than we think. Really, I think they have done a pretty good job.
I think that game said more about fsu than Notre dame. Fsu while undefeated is over rated.
I don't know about over-rated, their ranking is justified. BUT, of the 4 teams sitting in the top spots, they and Mississippi State look the most vulnerable. But for that matter, none of the top 4 look UNbeatable.
I bet silver bullet 10 has all the right answers that the committee of morons don't have. I can tell by the intelligence and depth of the comment he is the supreme source.
Right where I thought we'd be. Just win and we'll be in the top 4.
Why do they have us above Baylor but behind TCU? We should be above both or below both.
Because TCU has also beaten Minnesota and KSU. Not that I agree with it, but beating top 25 teams seems to be very important to the committee and Baylor has played TCU and Oklahoma but hasn't played k state or any out of conference team of note.
What if you don't hear YOLO anymore because everyone who use to say it died?
Then again, Baylor did beat TCU. IMO those teams are too close to put anyone in between them.
I agree. Like I said I don't agree with their logic, but that appears to be the reasoning.
I'm with you man. But I think that if neither team loses again, Baylor may get flipped with TCU if TCU keeps winning close like against Kansas and Baylor keeps blowing the doors off people.
Or you know, put TCU above Baylor, since BAYLOR WON ON THE FIELD, PROVING THEY ARE BETTER THAN TCU.
The only thing they proved was that they had the ball last.
That at game was a joke. No defense.
I agree, that is a slap in the face. I don't agree with it at all, and after TCU's last game I thought the committee would have used the "eye test" to decide that TCU looked like shit against a 3-6 team with an interim HC and drop them a spot or maybe two. Baylor should be ranked ahead of TCU. Baylor lost on the road to a respectable West Virginia team that hung within 10 of Alabama. Head to head should matter.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
8-1 vs 9-1. This is a good thing.
Yeah awkward situation where Baylor has the better loss, but it happens to be against the team they are being compared with. So if it were me and both teams had an even record at the end of the year, Id flip em.
The problem is, by that logic, Virginia Tech is better than Ohio State. Head to head is one factor, but can't be the only measure.
The committee is ranking things as they stand, not projecting. Once the season plays out, and they will both have played all of the same in conference opponents, then Baylor will jump TCU because the committee will be forced to look at H2H.
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I believe now that we can jump TCU. Ideally either Bama will lose again or Miss State will lose.
Between playing Auburn and Ole Miss next week plus a conference championship game I believe at least one of them will not win out.
I also believe that if we win out and win conference championship, theres no way they can put non-champion Mississippi State above us
Win out, we're in... This committee thinks more favorably of the B1G than the National media does.
I would agree the B1G has 5 teams in the top 25. That is tied for 2nd with the Pac-12 and behind the SEC by 1.
Auburn should be out of the top 25.
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I think so too, but before that happens Baylor will be ranked ahead of us again assuming they take care of K-state. Hopefully nobody overreacts to it because the very next week we will be ahead of them and TCU.
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I can't get any rest.
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Thanks. Now I will be singing that song for the rest of the night.
3 85 yards and a cloud of dust.
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Seriously? I'm a student at Oklahoma State!
This Saturday, yes. Beat Baylor.
Ah. I'll be in Waco for it. Full disclosure I wouldn't hold your breath. Okstate is playing so bad Michigan would probably win.
Even with a Gundy stem-winder rah-rah speech?
OK State is a bad team this year. No shot this weekend sad to say.
. . .said Northwestern. I watched that shit show 2 weeks in a row & what I took away is never say die.
It's terrible. The QB Can't make any throws and the defense uses a bold "bend and the break" strategy. surprisingly it doesn't work out.
Once Walsh went down their season went with it. He isn't the caliber of some previous QB's in Stillwater, but he covered up their complete lack of a running game and a pretty porous O-Line. Watched them in person against Iowa State and there was a significant drop off from the past several years of OK State football. Hope they can bounce back next season.
Wish I could up vote that. Literally I LOLed! This is supposed to go under Buckeye Bull's comment
Have a problem with TCU and MSU still being so high. We are slowly climbing though.
"It's so easy to be average...to HELL WITH THAT" - Urban Meyer
Yeah, I think MSU is an overrated 4 and FSU is an overrated 3 (but I can't argue with undefeated, so they deserve to be there right now. I jsut think they are vulnerable). I think Oregon is a solid 2, but they somehow always manage to blow it and play worse than they are at crunch time. Would love to see them play Bama. I can't really buy in to any of the Big 12 teams.
Oregon is like the Bengals of the College Football world. They have a super talented roster, but have a tendency to choke in big time games.
Agreed. At first I saw people commenting on "MSU" being too high, and I'm thinking "What? Sparty high only helps us!" I must be tired or brain dead from reading so many comments...
I agree with OSU at 6. I do not agree with MSU at 4. I suppose TCUs close game at KU let MSU in front.
It'll all work out in the end. Beat IU, and whomever else they put in front of us. O-H!
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Hey...so if we crush Indiana this week, that means we beat the top team in the SEC East right? Thats gotta count for something doesnt it?
I hope they compare the scores
Our honor defend
Why is everyone dismissing Michigan? I know they suck, but they have beaten us before when they sucked. Michigan becomes THE TRAP GAME.
You forgot to hit the sarcasm button.
Agreed. I'll be 100% confident in blowing their doors off until I wake up that morning, and will be nervous as hell.
Go Longhorns this week and go Rebels the week after
And Auburn please.
If Charlie pulls the upset I bet there is a high probability he gets a really nice Christmas gift from the Meyer family.
The TCU vs Texas game is next Thursday not this week... so go Longhorns and go Rebels both next week!
well just had to change the Thanksgiving menu to include some frog legs with the turkey
Even David pollock is saying the va tech loss isn't as bad as he originally thought. Everyone is changing their tunes. Keep winning, we'll get in.
I will say this every week until it ceases to be the case. While I applaud the committee for recognizing the absolute lunacy that was Baylor outranking Ohio State, the fact that TCU is ranked higher than Ohio State is a farce.
Not sure what you said AV, but I'm in a generous mood since we're at #6, thus the upvote.
How odd that my comment got swallowed by the cyber gremlins... Here's what I said originally:
I will say this every week until it ceases to be the case. While I applaud the committee for recognizing the absolute lunacy that was Baylor outranking Ohio State, the fact that TCU is ranked higher than Ohio State is a farce.
Worth another upvote.
This. That is all.
Okay I have never seen ESPN defend OSU like they just did. That was insane. They even went so far as to defend VT loss.
They are now saying on the playoff show that the VT loss wasn't so bad.
Likely because VT defeated Duke at Duke when they were ranked something like #16. That couldn't hurt.
In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...
Va Tech only plays Va Tech football when they are playing ranked opponents.
The ESPiN talking heads giving OSU credit, hell has indeed frozen over.
And just coming in from outside I do believe you sir... it is freaking COLD OUT.....
Have you looked outside? You may be right. Coldest day in decades for November.
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Hell is in Michigan. Seriously.
Suppose all 4 of these teams win out and they each win their games in fairly dominating fashion. This is what the final 4 would have to look like, because the committee would not be able to move any of these teams. This is a bad signal to me. We are still behind TCU which looks like shit on Saturday and obviously the committee is valuing quality losses over quality wins by putting MSU at #4. Doesn't bode well for the Buckeyes.
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See this was actually a thing I was going to make a forum post about but I actually disagree. With the way they have put Alabama and Oregon over FSU, and ohio state over Baylor just in the past couple weeks, they do seem to have no problem ranking the teams again depending on who and how they played. TCU, like I've said before doesnt have a game on the rest of their schedule that will give them a boost. Baylor has k state, Ohio state has B1G championship game and the Mississippi teams have each other. The Baylor and Ohio state games are a wash and I think if both win out you keep Ohio state over Baylor. I think they both jump TCU by the end of the season. Miss st is the wild card assuming none of the top 3 teams lose. If they beat ole miss then that's another top 25 team they beat, but won't be a conference champ which is something they've stayed is criteria. I believe if Ohio state wins out and doesn't let down against Indiana or Michigan then they will be in the top 4
The committee will weigh conference champion heavily. Miss St, (Please people stop calling them MSU,it's confusing) will be jumped by a conference champion like Ohio State.
Wish I could upvote you twice for both the points made in your statement.
I agree with you. The conf. championship game will absolutely give us a boost. Imo, there's NO WAY tOSU will be left out if all 3 bubble teams win-out in similar fashion. There's too much momentum (not to mention tradition and $$$) in the Buckeyes favor...
Just keep winnin' and we'll be in there!
MSU, TCU, Baylor = no conference championship game. OSU = conference champion. In.
^^^^(With 3 more wins, of course)
They.....they like us.
Just win out baby!
Damn the SEC. Damn them all to hell!
The tone is starting to change. Good to see they are finally seeing what the rest of us are.
Feed the trolls
We will jump Mississippi State in the end. The committee will value conference championships when all things are equal and I believe in their eyes TCU/Miss. State/Baylor and Ohio State are all equal.
We just need one team not named Miss. State to lose ahead of us and we are in.
We just need one team not named Miss. State to lose ahead of us and we are in.
Disagree! Ohio State needs to win 3 games, and will be a #2 or #3 seed.
Yep. Hell, look what they've done to teams with just bye weeks? A later show on ESPN said MSU has basically no chance if everyone wins out.
How is Auburn still in the top 15? They got waxed by Ga. last weekend. The committee has also got to keep Ga. close in case they win the SEC. This shall be interesting down the stretch.
Yep - don't understand the Auburn love at all.
ESPN is lobbying for us. Does anyone know ESPN's connection to the playoff committee, if any? They're obviously lobbying for ratings and MSU vs Bama is no go. So how much, if any pull, does ESPN lobbying have on the powers that be?
All I know is that ESPN has the broadcasting rights, and they also want money.
Obviously... but who's the business guy in the sharp suit knocking on the committee's door telling them how to vote with a wink and a nod from ESPN?
That would be Benjamin Franklin.
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Wow I'm watching ES( EC )PN and there giving the Buckeyes some love - Glad I'm sitting down
Soon the SEC will be complaining about the ESBIGN bias...who woulda thot
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Comment of the night. Well done.
Win out and we are in. Simple. No Mercy, crush IU and TTUN. Become Champ. Play B1G.
Thought we would come in at 7 so this is a nice surprise. Though I don't get the TCU at 5. This makes the road a little easier but we still need help. All we can do is win out - and do it in style.
14-1 is still possible! GO BUCKS!
TCU is on a bye this week, if OSU dominates Indiana I wouldn't be surprised if we jump them then. It happened to Baylor this week.
I think that's more because we beat a top 25 team on the road than it is us getting a win while Baylor was idle. Beating crappy Indiana won't make us jump TCU just because they're idle. In other words beating IU <<< beating top 25 team.
Well, beating Indiana is a transitive win against the entire SEC East, so we should move up to #3 behind Alabama and Miss. St. next week.
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Grrrrrr People keep referring to Mississippi State as MSU and I keep thinking they are talking about Michigan State.
The committee and the talking heads all heard Urban challenging any team to go up to MN and play an away game in the snow and cold.
I liked the committee chair's answer on the Buckeyes. Next!
On to the next one
There's no points for second place, gentlemen.
I'm fine with it. We are getting a lot of love/respect! We win out we will be in. Let's go boys, murder these last 5 games!!
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Guess we really should shore up the special teams. Interesting to hear committee say twice "all three phases of the game"
The question I wish they asked was if Ohio State wins the Big Ten Championship while Miss. State sits at home would the Bucks jump them. I say yes! How could that not happen?????
It will. All we have to do is win out.
When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.
Five Big Ten teams ranked in the top 25... nice.
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Win the B1G championship and we are in. Both big 12 teams don't have a championship game and Miss St. Likely won't get to play for the SEC championship.
We control our own destiny. GO BUCKS!!!
No we don't
Yes we do.
2 of the 5 teams in front of us won't play in a conference championship game.
If we win out we will: a) Have a conference title. b) Have one more win than two of those teams. c) Have another win over a top 25 team.
So explain to me how exactly we don't control our own destiny?
There are currently five teams ahead of us in the rankings. It's possible that none of them will lose again. The selection committee may not share your logic.
Why would the selection committee not reward a team that goes 12-1 with a conference title over a team that goes 11-1 without one?
I would still like to see Baylor lose. They can win a conference championship also and could play a ranked KSU on Dec 6.
Did you listen to the words of the committee and how impressed they were with Ohio State? If that isn't enough to move ahead of TCU who we already have a better resume than then I don't know what is. If everyone wins out minus Bama or MSU since they play each other, OSU will finish 5th.
Well, no one really controls their own destiny i guess. Last week TCU was in. They could probably have made the argument that they controlled their own destiny as long as they kept winning. Yet here they are on the outside looking in. The committee is a fickle beast that way. Ohio State controls its own destiny for the B1G championship and that's all that matters right now.
Good point but when you have the tradition that teams like Ohio state, Bama, Notre Dame, etc. have other teams will be moved out of the way to make room for you if all else is equal. That's just how it is. Teams like TCU or Miss St are not afforded the luxury of truly controlling their own destiny very often if ever. They have to add a little something extra like blowout wins or some other attractive aspect to their resumes in order to fend off the big boys. Even with the brand power of the SEC behind Miss St, they can't be a doormat for years and then expect to ride conference hype into a playoff spot over surging powerhouse like Ohio State.
Leaving Minny in was a surprise. Good for us.
Giving up those last 10 points probably helped us.
marshall's a genius!
We keep winning and were in. Top 3 in eyeballs and seats and that also matters!
I hope you're right!
Pretty happy with where we are. Winning the conference title game will do wonders. TCU still has Texas on Thanksgiving, Miss State still has Ole Miss, Florida state has ACC title game, and Bama has Auburn and potentially a conference title game against Indiana..er Missouri. A lot to be played, just keep on winning!
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And FSU has Florida next week. We saw what Florida was able to do in their last big rivalry game (wax Georgia). IMO this is FSU's best chance for a loss.
Count me in the camp that firmly believes we are in if we win out. However, one concern is that if MSU beats a grossly over ranked Ole Miss, they'll look at that as a quality win and feel compelled to keep them in the top. That would really blow. Same could be said for Baylor over K State. However, on the plus side, K State and Ole Miss losing means Wisconsin would jump up (as long as they keep winning) and that quality win would come later.
Too many what ifs to worry about. Just win.
There seem to be a thousand different scenarios that determine if we make it or not if we end up winning out.
There is one scenario where we are for sure eliminated: we lose. I figure, let's not do that, and let the rest play out in hopeful chaos.
Minnesota still getting some love and sitting at #25. Here's hoping that they take down a reeling Nebraska team and continue to make our win against them look good!
If Minnesota wins out, isn't it possible that we could play them again for the B1G and have them ranked higher, so wouldn't a rematch (that we would win of course) be really good for us, propelling us into the top 4 bracket? I like that idea.
Would be better for us if Wisconsin beats them by a point, then we put up 70 on Wisconsin, since they're ranked higher.
I see you're point, but if Minnesota beat Nebraska and Wisconsin, wouldn't they be ranked higher?
Not higher than Wisconsin will be if they win.
I think we're in great shape. There's lots of football left, and teams will lose. As long as Urban and the boys take care of business, I think the Buckeyes get in.
"Alabama had a decisive victory over #1 Mississippi State."
a little while later:
"Mississippi State only lost by 5 and was never out of the game"
Good catch, I noticed this as well. SEC is still way over-hyped. Bucks can ROLL with anybody, and the TIDE will get a taste of some Buckeye Nuts soon.
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I am OK with this wording. MSU did keep it close and fought hard. Yet somehow Alabama seemed in control that entire game, despite only winnin by 5.
Aaaargh, MSU did not play Alabama, Miss St. did. And by the way Miss. St. was never in that game, not even close.
Taste of some Buckeye nuts bwahahaha! Well done sir.
Hey look....it's the AP poll again but with even more SEC bias moving Alabama over Oregon and FSU.
That isn't SEC bias. FSU hasn't looked good.
Good point.....if it weren't for Alabama also not looking good and Oregon looking good. In other words, they put a one loss team not looking good over another one loss team looking good and an undefeated team squeaking by every game.
I look at it as signaling. If there were only 2 spots, FSU gets one of them. The Committee knows there are 4 spots and thus it can communicate things to us by how it shuffles 1-4/
I'm just not sure how you determined it wasn't SEC bias because of FSU barely winning games. In Alabama's last six games they have a loss, a one point win, a five point win, a seven point win in OT, a 14 point win, and a blowout of a bad team. In what world is that better than a team that has rolled in all of its last five games and has wins on the year over #9, #11, and #17. And, they weren't only put over them, they were put over another team doing just what they've done with one less loss. At best, Alabama should be #2 just like they are in the other two polls. And, I'm not really finding the impressive wins or performances to put them past a team that hasn't lost in almost two years and who beat the best in the SEC last year. If it's a draw in resume and performance, it should go to the defending champ with one less loss.
We are not going to jump anyone in the Top 4 unless there are some losses. Luckily, there are big games left on the docket.
#1 Alabama plays #14 Auburn and then the SEC Championship game (virtually a lock for Bama to play in unless all hell breaks loose in the SEC West)
#2 Oregon plays Colorado and Oregon State. Meh.
#3 FSU plays Boston College and Florida. Double Meh, but if there is a team prone to choking late it would be FSU. Plus ACC Championship game against #18 Ga Tech.
#4 Miss St plays #8 Ole Miss where the state gets to talk for a day about something other than being 2nd nationally in the rate of Chlamydia.
We need some dominos to fall but it looks like it could happen.
Why does Dublin have so many round-abouts? Because everyone in Dublin thinks they have the right-of-way.
I disagree, Heavy criteria is going to be conference champions. Miss St wont win their conference and we will jump them.
Good point. They won't even win their division.
Yeah, I firmly believe MSU is still in the top 4 so the committee can hedge the SEC west. They aren't going to put two of them in but they still aren't sure who's going to win the conference. If Bama happens to lose to auburn the committee will still have MSU to represent the west. If Bama goes to sec championship then I think that's when the committee will drop MSU behind us or the big 12 teams. Just a matter of time.
Who is downvoting you people? For chrissakes...I got you boys!
Oregon plays a conference championship game vs the Pac12 South winner (could be Arizona/USC/UCLA/Arizona St). That is a potential loss.
I also think you underestimate the bump the Buckeyes will get if they win the conference championship game against Wisconsin (probably). Even if the top 4 don't lose I think we pass Mississippi State as there will be a lot of pressure to include conference champs.
Boston College beat USC earlier this season, so don't count them out against Fla. St.
BC has a great QB as well. It would not surprise me if the Eagles pull the upset.
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I wouldn't sleep on Oregon State giving Oregon potential trouble. It's a rivalry game that has had some upsets. Also, Oregon would also have a Pac12 title game to play against UCLA, who is capable of putting 62 on Arizona State but also capable of playing like crap.
I have to question your chlamydia statistics... No way in hell could Florida rank 28th, have you heard some of the crazy stories that come outta that state?
Auburn is still in the top 20. Ok. :/
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Get well soon Mrs.Naut 6-0 > 3-6.
Could easily make a case for OSU to be 4.
As as far as tcu, I absolutely believe OSU should be ahead of them. They beat Minny at home in nice weather 30-7. OSU beat a seasoned Minny team at their place in brutal conditions, with a score much closer than the game really was.
So long as Wisconsin wins out to the championship game OSU will have the best closing game to make a statement. Better than any other team in the top 8 outside of a potential Georgia/Bama game.
Wisconsin>>>>>Georgia, why they are 10 is a mystery.
Yea I was talking about ranking. I agree Wisconsin is probably better than Georgia.
Go Georgia. Go Auburn. Go Ole Miss. Go Florida. Gotta be pissed if you're Baylor. Yes, they lost ugly to WVU and only edged out TCU by a hair, but they did beat TCU. Damn Canes and Irish. If only Miami could have held it together in the 4th quarter. If only ND had not been so cartoonishly horrible at running a pick play. Either of those, and FSU has a loss and is likely 8th or lower.
I wonder if the committee, much like most of the country, is almost hoping the FSU drops a game. I know that OSU has at times been over-valued, but my gosh, FSU is the worst undefeated team I've seen in a while. I mean, yes, you have to give them credit and they have to be in the top 4 because they keep winning, but they are the only team in the top 5 that, looking at them in September, October, and November, does not seem to be improving. TCU, Oregon, Bama, and MSU have all lost games, but they don't appear to be fading the way FSU has over the last 4 weeks. Even great teams have a hard to understand struggle once in a while (OSU with Minne, TCU with KU), but FSU looks shaky every week against opponents not even in the top 20. I realize that OSU spent much of 2002 surviving scares from teams without our talent, but it's frustrating seeing the Seminoles still up there near the top.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
ESPN has been lobbying for the Buckeyes on one side of their mouths and whispering orders to the committee to make certain 2 SEC teams make the play off out the other side.
This whole thing is a huge joke.
I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
Exactly....and too many people miss that it is entirely fake. Why wouldn't they root for Ohio State NOW? They have two SEC teams in the top four, and now they are lobbying also for the best back up option if one of them should lose. They accomplished goal number one, now it is time to move to goal number two of securing your second best cash option.
i got down voted for this well here's to you
Racing toward the FINAL FOUR!! Just win baby, and we will be in.
Meanwhile - highlights from last week's Florida State game:
Benny Hill theme song. Good for multiple situations.
Are you sure those aren't highlights from the Browns game?
They were from the Redskins-Bucs game...TRUST ME.
I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...
+1 for any Benny Hill reference.
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
lol that's about as fast as teddy ginn would have scored in real time
the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS
I would love the playoff but at this point I want a big win against a quality OOC opponent. There are still a ton of people who believe we can't beat the big teams from other conferences especially the SEC. The worst thing that could happen would be a decisive loss in the first round of the playoff. I want to beat a top team out of conference, kill the narrative from the past years and show that Ohio State and the B1G leaders are as good as anyone else in the country.
Wonder where Wiscy will be when (or if, I should say) we play them in the B1G champ game? Possibly around 12 if other teams keep falling. Let's pound IU then send scUM back to their cesspool!
1. Beat the crap out of Indy.
2. Beat the shit out of TTUN
3. Play better run defense and beat Wisky/Minny
4. All while becoming Auburn, Ole Miss and Arizona State fans (I don't see FSU losing unless Winston does something else stupid).
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
So then you're saying that there is a good chance FSU loses. Since Winston is prone to doing something stupid about once an hour
Close enough now to be in the discussion. The playoff is already here just keep winning.
“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden
I had to keep looking and make sure it was really ESPN I was watching. I haven't heard that many good things about the buckeyes come from them in a while.
I don't understand why everyone constantly insists that the conference championship game win will "do amazing things". The committee is instructed to place emphasis on winning the conference. Just because the Big 12 does not have a separate game to do this does not mean anything that we know of. Because what they do have is a schedule where everyone plays everyone. And their season ends on the same day as everyone else's championship games with games (KSU/Baylor and TCU/Iowa State) so they are NOT idle like some people have incorrectly stated. The Big 12 still crowns a champion and the committee has never said anything to make us believe that because we do it with a separate game that that's more valuable than how the Big 12 does it. In fact for all we know they sit around and wipe that factor completely away since it's the other conferences that have direct authority over the fact the Big 12 does not have a championship game due to the size. It's not like they don't want one, but it requires authorization from the other conferences. So for all we know the committee has decided or will decide that not having such a game is a non-factor because it's out of the control of the teams and is a bureaucratic thing and so they just look at the championship game as some additional, neutral field game against a decent team and nothing more.
I think the thing every one is saying thats going to help us is pretty much who ever we play from the west will probably be in the playoff top 25 and just another quality win for us is all.
Pretty sure I read the committee head was quoted as saying conference championship GAMES will be valued, not just being conference champs. Can't find it on my phone right now but I think it was a Yahoo sports article. How could you NOT give added value to winning a conf championship game when you likely are beating a top 20 or top 15 team??
Literally playing 1 more game against the best competition from the rival division. How can that not count more against a team that doesn't play a conference championship game?
But the Big12 plays everyone...
This is the attitude I hate. Why do you ask questions like this. Are you aware that they value head-to-head results least of all? The actual results of actual games actually played between teams are valued the least? You can ask all the questions you want about how you think things SHOULD be and it doesn't change how things ARE which is what I only ever comment on this site and then get 50 questions about why I'm saying dumb things. It's not my opinion it's reality.
No, the reality is that we don't know. You're speculating just like we're all speculating. Maybe the committee won't hold the lack of title game against the Big 12, maybe they will. There's never been a committee before, and we haven't gotten to CCGs yet, thus we can't know. There are plenty of valid reasons for a CCG to have extra value vs teams that don't play one. A conference championship game has a lot more pressure than an early season game like KSU vs TCU/Baylor because there is so much more on the line. KSU could still win the Big 12 in spite of relatively early losses to TCU and Baylor. IF we lose our CCG, we don't win the conference. Plus, it's ANOTHER game. That can't be overstated considering that Big 12 teams will only play 12 games and we'll play 13. We will have one more win.
The thing is the winner of the big 12 would be Baylor anyway, and we are already ahead of them.
Well, here's why it's going to help us against TCU and the rankings this week are huge for us. If everyone wins out, TCU and Miss St. will not win their conference. Baylor who is now behind us will win the Big 12, but them beating K State at home will not be a better win than beating Wisconsin in the B1G championship. So we could/should get the edge over Miss. St/TCU and then stay slightly ahead of Baylor, who I believe will also at least jump TCU in the end because of conf championship and head-to-head finally mattering in the end.
TCU is the team that is pretty much screwed in my opinion. They have a weak finishing slate and will need help to even win their conference. We will pass TCU if we both win out. Passing Miss. St. is going to be the tough part if they beat Ole Miss.
Lots of other good upsets can happen anyway, but I like where we stand right now even if all the top 7 teams win out.
As much as I hate to admit it, this is true. The others do have conference champions, just not a championship game. Our advantage is more about playing a high ranked opponent in a high profile game on the last weekend of the regular season.
I'm really happy with how this looks. Glad the committee values our performance the last two weeks more than both other polls. Honestly, we weren't going to be 4th this time around. 6th was best case scenario. Even better, Minny is still ranked, keeping the luster of our win last weekend. If they beat Nebraska, they move up to the top 20. Wisky wins out, they will be near top 10 in the B1G Championship Game. Based on this poll and the insane amount of positive press we've been getting the last couple weeks, there's no way in hell we are outside the top 4 if we win out and even ONE team ahead of us loses. I like our chances, a lot.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
Plus the Gordon vs. Barrett hype will be through the rafters of Lucas Oil if (when) they meet on December 6th. What other teams are there that might have two potential Heisman candidates (who are both hot, hot, hot right now) playing against each other right at the end of the pre-playoff season?
Top 7 is exactly as I figured it would be, except Baylor and TCU are flip-flopped (sorry, but I have to give the nod to the head to head winner).
Minnesota maintaining its ranking is great news, but it may be short-lived with contests against Wisconsin and Nebraska in consecutive weeks. Let's hope that Wisconsin wins out, Nebraska beats Iowa but loses to Minnesota, and, consequently, Minnesota beating Nebraska but losing to Wisconsin. Could be a top-12 showdown with Wisconsin in the B1GCG, which isn't quite as good as Nebraska winning out would have been, but not much worse either.
If the top four ends that way, we will see the exact same game we just saw of Alabama vs. Miss. St. I'm hoping the committee doesn't like that idea but who knows.
You shouldn't have that attitude. You can't just worry about this year knowing that for the forseeable future, regardless of how many teams are in the playoff (4/8/whatever) it's going to be a committee choosing teams. Would you want OSU to be screwed out of its deserving spot some year just to avoid a rematch of a game? There's lots of reasons why MSU shouldn't be 4, but avoiding a rematch should not be one of them, it's bad precedent
I wasn't really saying that this should or shouldn't happen. I was pretty much just saying that it may take some excitement away. This would be true with any two teams. There is really no avoiding the fact that rematches can do that....mainly if they weren't that great the first time.
My feeling is Miss State had their chance.......................and they blew it (to remain in top 4).
Let's be honest, MSU is only 4th in case auburn wins against bama. You are going to have to have a 3 loss sec west champ to not be in.
Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.
Somebody, hopefully 2 teams, out of the 5 in front of us will lose. All we need to do is win and everything else will take care of itself. Style points must not matter as much as I originally thought. I was expecting a ding because of how close the Minnesota game was. It seems the committee has a good enough amount of respect for that team to give us props for beating them. I feel like if we keep winning, we're in.
A win over Indiana will also give OSU the SEC East championship crown.
The good news is that we somehow ended up ahead of the team that still has the best remaining game and not TCU (Baylor vs. Kansas State). This means we will have Wisconsin and an extra game to hopefully hold them off and match their Kansas State win. And, we will have a chance to pass TCU at the same time maybe since they are on a bye and may not even win the Big 12.
Wisconsin > K State
I season my simple food with hunger
Chick-fil-a sponsors this?!?!?!? so SEC.
no but seriously we're in good shape! and I don't think they can keep Miss St. in the top four if they don't go to a championship and we beat another ranked team.
I like football
So as it is we will have beaten a ranked Minnesota, a ranked Sparty and if(when) we play the B1G championship a ranked Wisconsin (probably). That's worthy of getting into the playoffs
Based on these rankings it's becoming clearer what they look at....Buckeyes are in a great position we jumped one Big 12 team.. We can jump another... (Especially when they are on a bye) . The Committee is also looking at win totals (which I think is why they put us above an 8-1 Baylor) Beat IU soundly and that's Ten wins... Which should jump TCU....Then I think the conf championship will also be a BIG deciding factor... Not stressing! Slow and steady wins the race... GO BUCKS!!!
It’s absolutely hilarious that UGA is in the top 10. Michigan State lost to the #2 and #7 ranked teams. UGA lost to unranked and dumpster fires UF and South Carolina. They beat an Auburn team that is over ranked and has no defense. They lost Gurley for the year. The Spartans would steamroll UGA. 10-14 points on neutral field. Someone explain how a very good team like MSU gets caught behind a team like UGA, who has beaten no one….
That's a great damn point.
Gotta be honest...Wisconsin scares me. And we better not be looking ahead.
That's why these rankings could be even more of a blessing than we realize. It may be a great thing to head into that potential B1G CCG matchup still ranked #5 or #6 with an idle Miss St. sitting in front of us. The players will know they still have something to prove to even have a chance. Versus last year's game where they saw Bama go down the week before and suddenly thought they were already "in" the national championship game.
So, as it stands now, Alabama has only 1 good win. Why are they #1 instead of Oregon? Also, Miss. St. only has 1 good win. Why are they #4?
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
Miss State's best win is against 3 loss teams. Bama's best win is against Miss St at home. Bama lost to a two loss Miss. The theory of the SEC West is so good is ridiculous. The rankings should be FSU, Oregon, Bama, Baylor right now.
Yes, the house of cards the sec west reputation has been built on has crumbled but the committee is too besotted to see that.
Even if everyone in the top 7 wins out, I think we get in. TCU will not be a conference champion, Baylor will because they beat TCU. MSU would be watching bama play in their championship game, while we would have beaten 3 top 25 teams in the last 5 weeks and won a conference championship. we could jump TCU anytime because they play nobody. we would beat a quality team the same day Baylor does and with MSU not playing. The committee would have every reason to move us in the 4 spot.
I do not get the love for Miss St. the best Win they have is over a 3 loss Auburn, the next 2 best wins is against a 4 loss A&M and a 4 loss LSU ( how the hell was that good enough for no.1 in the first place) they should not be #4 period. This is all because or the SEC bias in the preseason rankings that make the wins actually look better than they are.
"If you don't have something nice to say, then say nothing at all"
So will bammer and Georgia get dinged in next week's poll for scheduling West Carolina and Charleston Southern while the rest of the top ten are playing real games? Hmmmmmm?
Seems about right. If Wisky wins out and we beat them (convincingly) we'll sneak in.
Note to Gene:
Dump the Cupcake State games and make sure we have 2 marquee (not Ky/Vandy, Iowa St./Kansas, NC St/Wake or Oregon St./Wash St) Power 5 OOC games per year.
So, what if Miss. St. wins out, Bama gets beat by LSU in champ. game. Miss. St. is rewarded for losing to Bama and not having to play in sec champ game. Too stupid for words.
"You're welcome for the house I built."
LSU is in the West...Bama already beat them...so I think you meant UGA beats Bama in the SEC Championship.
IMHO, if that scenario played out, the loss to Bama becomes a little less impressive. So the committee would likely move MSU down to 5 and keep Bama in at the 4 spot on a head-to-head basis (Saban/Bama has more cache than Mullen/MSU).
We need to worry about the opposite (and more likely) scenario of both Bama and MSU winning out...that may give the committee enough reason to keep MSU (then also having an Ole Miss win) ahead of OSU (even after beating Wisky).
Moving Bama ahead of MSU would be rather duplicitous of the committee considering they aren't following that logic with Baylor and TCU. I personally think that the committee is going to have a very hard time keeping the SEC champ out of the playoffs no matter who it is. As long as UGA doesn't have more than two losses, I could see them jumping into the playoffs, especially if they beat Bama in the SEC championship game. Could you imagine the uproar if the greatest conference in the history of man didn't make the inaugural college football playoff. It would be madness. That said, Missouri currently controls it's own destiny so if they win the SEC, all bets are off.
No matter what happens I just want osu to have a Crack at an all mighty sec team. If it is in the playoff that is even better.
You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.
I really don't know how TCU is put ahead of us. They almost lost to KANSAS last week.
Yeah, the Charlie Weis dumpster fire program.
To play devil's advocate it's simple - larger margin of victory vs. identical opponent, and they have defeated Oklahoma, Kansas St., and WVU. As a group, that's comparable to OSU's best wins, especially the 3 TD win over KSU. So, I can see it. However, if OSU were to boat race the Badgers, I can see the argument for including the Buckeyes instead. Another factor to be considered is that TCU lost to #7 Baylor by 3, in a game that they controlled for most of the contest. Whereas, we are all aware of the status of the team to which OSU lost...
I think Michigan State is getting screwed. There 2 losses are to #2 Oregon and #6 tOSO but Ole Miss is ahead of it while losing to #14 Auburn and a non ranked LSU....I guess the mystic of being Alabama is better?
Yep, the mystique of beating the now #1 team in the country is stronger than anything else Mich. St. has done. Plus, MSU's losses were by an average of about 16 points, while Ole Miss lost two heartbreakers that could have gone either way. So, it makes sense.
+1 for a fresh breeze of objectivity
I don't know about anyone else but I feel like this means we almost control our own destiny. If we win out we should be ahead of any Big 12 team and should be above a championshipless EsecPN team. That's what I'm sayin if I'm Urban Meyer, to my team to get them to focus on the games at hand, and to the press to get the committee to listen.
"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War
I think its hilarious that Mizzo is even in the rankings. Sitting above Nebraska and Minnesota. I would bet against Mizzo in both of those games it were to happen.
Three year olds throughout Alabama have officially declared The Tide, "Number VERY one!"
If Ohio State's opponent is, somehow, Minnesota in the B1G Championship game, that'd be a worse case scenario for the Buckeyes, then they likely won't get a lot of consideration for their Championship Game because A) It's Minnesota, and B) We've played them already.
But there seems to be a bit of love for Wisconsin, which is who the Buckeyes absolutely have to face if they want a chance to leap frog the rest of the teams. Keep in mind, too, that Barry Alvarez is on the committee, and should the Bucks beat his beloved Badgers, you know he'll give the Bucks love. Plus, IMO, it's absolutely critical that the Bucks sure-up their run defense. Beat a Top 15 team, hold the Heisman front runner in check, and the committee may fall kindly on our ear.
Keep in mind too, that neither Miss. St., or, Baylor played a team from a Power 5 Conference in their out-of-conference schedule, and Miss. St. only beat UAB by 13, while giving-up 30+. Baylor's loss to West Virginia won't be any better than the Buckeyes loss to Va. Tech, as both teams could end-up 7-5 by season's end.
Other things to consider, the Buckeyes will have, with a victory over Wisconsin (hopefully), three victories over THREE ranked teams, with two of those teams being ranked in the Top 15 at season's end; not at the beginning of the season when the 'wannabe contenders' haven't been exposed as pretenders yet. Also, I'm not sure that a team will have as many victories over bowl eligible teams as Ohio State by the time all is said and done.
We need to go 3-0, clean-up the run defense, and I think we'll be in good shape. If it's Minnesota in the B1G Championship, we may need a little help, but if it is Minnesota, that means they'll have a victory over Wisconsin, and will have shown vast improvement themselves over the next three weeks. Who knows? It'll also give the Bucks an opportunity for a 'redo' of sorts against a common opponent against a team that's ranked ahead of them.
Could be huge if TCU remains ahead of us. Would the committee put more weight on our 31-24 victory in the elements? Or a 63-7 victory over the same team in the elements. How do they compare those games, and still consider TCU's victory at the start of the season?
Could be huge if TCU remains ahead of us. Would the committee put more weight on our 31-24 victory in the elements? Or a 63-7 victory over the same team in the elements.
I'm pretty sure you meant a 30-7 win not in the elements. Other than that, all solid points. I hadn't considered the Alvarez angle if we should meet and beat Wisconsin. I'm sure Osborne will also put in a good word as the Badgers trashed his Huskers. As for Miss. St., I have no clue how you put them in over a one-loss conference champ if that happens. If they want to keep them there now then whatever I guess. But, if they don't win the SEC AND have their best loss over a three loss team, and still get the final playoff spot that is complete BS.
I think he's talking about a hypothetical 63-7 win for OSU over Minnesota in the B1GCG in the indoor Lucas Oil Stadium - would that win get more weight than the 31-24 win that was a little sloppy in rough weather when being compared to TCU's 30-7 win over Minnesota. I think it would get more weight if, for no other reason, because it's the more recent result. Do I think OSU would beat Minnesota quite that bad in a rematch? No. Even if it was more like 45-14, though, it would still get more weight.
Class of 2010.
If we win out, were in. No doubt about it in my mind. But Wisky is starting to scare me. Gordon is a beast and weve had some holes in the running game.
"You win with people." -Woody Hayes
Let's just stay focused on what's in front of us. We have to win three more games or none of this matters. Indiana is on the clock...
As long as we keep winning we will be just fine…..Patience… :)
BTW…Is there anyone else that thinks Jason Seahorn from CFB Daily is a tool? I'm sick of hearing his mouth talk.
"Michigan Sucks" -Abraham Lincoln
The committee is keeping Miss St. in the Top 4 in the event Bama losses before the SEC Championship Game i.e. Vs. Auburn. They want to make sure an SEC team is in the final four, and odds are it will be the SEC West Champ, so long as they win the title.
In reality, by the end of the season the last spot is coming down to OSU or TCU. The Horned Frogs have been really lucky this year when it comes to playing teams when they are ranked and getting a win. Check out their schedule - teams they beat that were ranked are no longer ranked. Basically, TCU is getting a lot of play for also hanging 80 on Tech a couple of weeks ago. It's amazing the voters are falling for TCU. Ohio State just beat two ranked opponents in back to back weeks on the road.
The varnish might be starting to come off TCU - my guess is the Buckeyes get in by winning the next two BIG and of course taking home the title in December. TCU is going to struggle and it doesn't look like Baylor is a threat - jumping them this week was HUGE for Ohio State.
"There is nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
Completed the "Double Skully" 18-August-2015
Don't forget that Miss. St. Still has to play Ole Miss the same day as the Bama-Auburn game and I believe that Ole Miss has a better opportunity to win their game. Auburn is struggling now, especially after loosing to UGA. Also, Oregon is not a shoe-in for a Pac 12 rep as they will have their hands full in the Pac 12 Championship game. My top 4 in the end: Alabama, FSU(unfortunately), OSU(I'm optimistically hoping they stay focused and win out soundly as OSU will have to stop the top two running backs in the country between IU's back and Gordon from Wisconsin), and TCU. Just a thought...
Change is Inevitable, Growth is Optional...
What scares me is if Ohio State struggles with Indiana this weekend, it could be it. No room to even struggle with Indiana or Michigan.
I know there is some griping about several teams from the SEC being over ranked, but if I had to pick 2 teams that are the most over-ranked it would be #9 UCLA and #23 Clemson. How in the hell is Clemson still ranked after that 28-6 embarrassment to Ga Tech? And I don't get UCLA's meteoric rise to #9 after a handful of non-convincing wins against mediocre to bad competition. I guess they're getting boosted by their non-con wins over Memphis and Texas.
They put 62 on Arizona State?
Everyone else is weighing in with their opinion so I'll give mine too - I don't think FSU belongs. Lots of wins over teams that aren't very good and their wins are by the skin of their teeth. Undefeated isn't enough for me (just ask Marshall).
Also think MSU is out. Right now they have one win over a ranked team. MSU's inclusion is clear proof of the SEC effect I think. They've beaten a bunch of teams that WERE ranked but aren't now but somehow that still counts. That doens't work for me. I'd take TCU or Baylor over them.
Think it'll play out and we'll be in if we take care of our business. Sure am glad we have a B1G championship game still. That may be exactly what we need to cinch the deal.
I remember last year about this time we needed help and got it. However, will not matter again this year if OSU does not win the last three games. As many have stated, "just win." Only then we can make it a tough decision on the committee. The more tough decisions and angrier people get the faster they will move to an eight team playoff.
A lot of premature frustration here -
Made up half the ground to the top 4 since last week. Keep on winning and they'll make up the other half.
we win the last 3? we are in, plain and simple. moving ahead of baylor this week is bigger than people are saying. they still have one more quality game left (kstate). we still have one quality game left (presumably wisky). tcu has zero quality games left (texas, iowa state). we moved ahead of baylor after a top25 win. we will move ahead of tcu if we are fortunate enough to beat wisky. the additional win (when neither baylor, miss st, nor tcu play a 13th game) will put us at least into the 4 spot (although i think tcu loses at a much improved texas, florida state loses to a nothing-to-lose and talented florida team, and mississippi state loses the egg bowl at ole miss).
final four when it's all said and done? i say #1 alabama, #2 oregon, #3 ohio st, #4 baylor (i'd like to say baylor loses to kstate but i think they are overrated as well). an argument could be made for a one-loss miss st if it happens, but as i said above i think they lose again. i think bama takes baylor easily, and we dispatch oregon due to superiority in the trenches on both sides, setting up meyer v saban for all the marbles.
I agree on how moving ahead of Baylor is big. It actually sets up decent if everything in the top 7 stays the same (which probably won't) for the last week. Baylor is playing #12 KSU that week which is what currently separates them and TCU. TCU plays crappy crappy ISU. We'd be in B1G champ game. With wins, Baylor would at least jump TCU because of head to head win and they'd get the win TCU currently has that they don't (also one of us would jump presumably idle miss st, they may end up at 5 but who cares) but that win wouldn't help Baylor surpass us as B1G conf champ winner with a similar quality of a win vs Bucky. It's important we're at least ahead of Baylor if no one loses from here on, they actually have competition left.
I am on record as saying three of those top 4 teams will lose another game. Yes 3 of them.
That would be a glorious revolution.
We just have to win out.
I. Like. Where. We. Are. At!
"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.
I don't like Ole Miss sitting there at 8th. If Mississippi State wins out and beats a top-10 team in their final game, that's going to make it tough for anyone to jump above them.
I feel that we still need a lot of things to happen.
And it would not surprise me if Ole Miss beats Miss State and then jumps the Bucks. They would have beaten two teams ranked #1 this year. It seems like the committee is determined to reward the SEC. I think our best bet is Florida knocking off FSU, which might happen with a Will Muschamp "Earle Bruce swan song scenario". If Duke can give FSU a game in the ACC championship, that would help, considering Va Tech beat Duke.
Great seeing Ohio State getting some love from ESPN. I think 6 is about right, but don't see how Ohio State is below TCU.
One other thing: I don't remember if this was Herbstreit on Saturday or someone else today, but an ESPN member said that if Barrett does not get invited to New York, they should not even give the Heisman out. Interesting that it comes from ESPN but I have to agree. Maybe ESPN is improving?
I know a lot of people on here feel like ESPN is anti OSU, but I travel a lot for work and listen to a lot of ESPN radio. Colin Cowherd has us 3rd, Herbie has us in as does Danny Kennel. Hell even Paul Finbaum questioned a caller who said he was sure Miss St would. Beat OSU. They momentum behind OSU is changing....
Okay. Obviously if baylor, Tcu and msu all lose and we win out, no problem at all. But if everyone wins out we need ole miss to tank. Lost to ark and msu and finish w 4 losses. Kansas state needs to go down to west virginia thusday night and wisconsin CANNOT get tripped up
I think the committee is also doing a good job and performing as we'd hoped. However, I doubt Baylor fans feel the same. I just don't understand how head to head isn't the trump card when two teams are as close as Baylor and TCU. I've listened to the arguments for TCU and find them all to be bull shit.
With that said, I'd have both Baylor and TCU ranked above the Buckeyes.
Don't get me wrong, I want the Buckeyes in this play-off as much if not more than most. It's just when I take my "Block-O" Woody hat off and put my "objective neutral" hat on, I can't find a way to rank the Buckeyes above #7 right now.
Let's remove the names of schools in an attempt to remove bias. Of the 5 - one loss teams in consideration; we have two teams with losses to teams with 2 losses who are currently ranked in the top 25. We have another team with a loss to the team ranked currently number one. We have another team who's lone loss is to a team ranked number 5. We have another team with a loss to a team with 4 losses (but that team was ranked consistently throughout the season in the top 25), however, they have a win over the above mentioned team. Then we have a final one loss team with a loss to a .500 team at home. That team who beat them also plays in a weak conference to boot.
Losses have to have consequences regardless of how great we're playing now. The other sport I love to follow beside college football is MMA. The president of the UFC (the largest MMA promotion), Dana White, whom I don't always agree with, has a brilliant saying: "Never leave it in the hands of the judges". This is always what he tells fighters who come up short in controversial decisions. In other words, these fighters should have knocked out their opponents or submitted them - dictating the outcome rather than counting on the judges to rule in their favor.
I'm old school and what I've grown accustomed to is that if you want to play for a national title you better go undefeated. Now there is a little more forgiveness for a loss. With that said, if you are going to play in a weak conference and play a weak non conference schedule, you better go undefeated if you want to play for a national championship. Look at FSU. They also play in a weak conference. But unlike the Buckeyes, they haven't "left it in the hands of the judges". Even though they've dropped to #3, they're still in the play-offs and will be if they remain undefeated. Just as the Buckeyes would be if we were undefeated.
Committee says conference champions will be given top consideration. IMO it doesn't matter who OSU plays in conference championship game they will be in. Only reason Miss St hasn't dropped yet is because committee can't gove credit for something that hasn't happen yet....
I find it fascinating, and perplexing as well, as to how Alabama vaults from being out of the top-4 to now becoming the new No.1. They just beat a supposed No.1 team that has only one good win against a ranked opponent. Alabama is good, but NOT that good.
No worries. Committee will not put 2 teams from one conference in the playoff. Bucks are in a good spot.
Trust me, I'm a lawyer.
Keep winning and winning impressively. A win over Wisconsin will vault us over TCU and maybe Mississippi State. I think Ole Miss will take care of them for us.
OSU at 6th looks pretty good, although I think they should have jumped TCU since almost losing to Kansas should be worse than Baylor's bye. All the endless speculation about how the committee should/may/might interpret all the other games is making me remember why I want an 8 team playoff with each P5 conference winner.
"Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder."
And we're gonna keep on climbing! Go Bucks!
Regardless of how any scenarios play out, I want Bama.
I want Meyer vs. Saban
Ohio State vs. SEC Power
Us against them
B1G muscle vs SEC strength
and just beat the piss out of them.
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moving em up step by step. they just want the bucks to keep proving. man handle iu and mich and win big10 and they are in. va tech doesn't even exist anymore. every team in front of them has gotten a pass for on reason or another so the bucks got theirs. difference between top 5 and osu is that osu just keeps getting better and better.
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Can't say I'm excited about the format of the playoff, but our guys have worked their tails off to get better game by game. I think we will be there in the end, and I don't think anyone wants to play us.
I know I'm preaching to the choir on this. I heard the chairman of the committee talking about Mississippi State having quality wins with LSU, TAMU, and Auburn. Explain to me why those are "quality" wins...aside from them being part of the SEC. I don't like to bash SEC lovers because their level of success speaks for itself, but not those teams! You don't get to build your resumè based on playing naked emporers!
With that said, I think the rankings were fair. I hate Florida State's vibe but they keep winning. Ohio State over Baylor tells me that a Big Ten championship vaults them over the horned frogs.
I really hope Alabama loses to Auburn, Mississippi State beats Ole Miss and toes to Atlanta and loses to Mizzou. That would be great. I'm not sure who would get the nod from the SEC to get in the playoff, but it would be odd if there were Oregon, Ohio State, Florida State, and either Baylor or TCU all sitting there with a loss. Well FSU would be unbeaten.
I like where we are at, only 2 spots from being in with 3 weeks to go... I like our chances to get in.
There's good news and bad news. The good news is I think this committee will have us jump TCU. Their win over K state is comparable in terms of ranking to ours over msu, and we both beat Minnesota. A win over Wisconsin will be enough to jump, I'm excited we passed baylor. That to me was the bigger move, considering baylor has a better win (no.5 TCU). That being said, Miss State being 4 is just downright awful. Their best win is auburn.... At home... Who is ranked lower than Michigan state. Plus we have a win over another top 25 team and a tougher out of conference. There's no justification . I'm worried that a win over overrated Ole Miss will keep them in front of us, or that ole miss with a win over them combined with a win over alabama would push them in front of us. Fck the SEC
Wait for it ...
Best part of college playoff show was Danny K trolling David Pollak about LSU no longer being ranked. If Miss St gets credit for beating LSU because it's a brand OSU better get Credit for beating Michigan
Just keep winning. Control what you can control and let the chips fall where they may. Just like every other year, teams will lose in the last 2 to 3 weeks.
Alabama, Georgia, and Auburn have some killer tough OOC games this week.....
But they go through "The meat grinder" every week.
The fact that this thread is happening on a Tuesday night just shows the genius of this committee idea.
Spot on. Think about it - the committee doesn't have to reveal ANYTHING till the final. But oh no - we get an "update" every week that just makes for tons of talk and drama. ESPN and talk radio must be lovin' them some CFB playoffs!
Well, to me it looks like if we win out and 1 team from the top 4 loses, we are in. I think we are in a really good spot.
The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender. - Woody Hayes
I love that David Pollick is starting to think differently about the Buckeyes.
"Just win baby"
When an intimidator fails to intimidate, he becomes intimidated.
Unleash hell on the Hoosiers.
Ohio State is the leader in the Big Ten right now, but we don't get a ranking boost as a conference champion until we win the B1G Champ game. The titles aren't even a part of the equation for the current rankings. That itself could be enough to boost us over MSU. Another thing that helps us is that if Alabama is #1 and #4 is Miss State or Ohio State, do they go with a rematch or not? Bama-OSU would obviously be the more attractive choice.
Ohio State class of 2018
Be honest. Who would have realistically thought right after the Virginia Tech game that we'd be sitting where we are right now? The improvement of this young team has been phenomenal.
Two things the committee supposedly takes into account should work in our favor by the time the final standings are released.
Assuming we win out, of course, our "body of work" will have improved with a victory over a fairly highly ranked team in the B1G championship game. TCU doesn't get to play a championship game and the remainder of their regular season schedule is quite unimpressive.
Incidentally, if both teams win out - Baylor would win the tie-breaker for the Big-12 championship due to their head-to-head victory over TCU.
Since being a Power-five conference champion is also supposed to carry some weight, we should have an advantage over both TCU and Mississippi State when all is said and done. After all, should a team that didn't even win their own conference really be playing for the national championship? One of the Power-five conference champions will be excluded as it is.
Remember - they said that numbers four through seven are very close. We'll have a chance to win a Power-five conference championship while at the same time improving our body of work. Neither of the two teams ranked immediately ahead of us can do both.
Of course, there will probably be some upsets among the teams ranked one through five between now and then, as well. This is college football, after all.
If we just keep winning - we should be in -
Note: technically, Mississippi State could still win the SEC if Allabama loses to Auburn. But if Alabama loses - they'll have two losses and therefore, they will be ranked behind us instead. An even better scenario - for us.
OSU will be in the Final 4 upon winning out. OSU will jump Miss St, TCU and Baylor regardless whether or not those teams win out. It wouldn't surprise me if either Alabama, Oregon or FSU lose before all is said and done as well.
“I have yet to be in a game where luck was involved. Well-prepared players make plays. I have yet to be in a game where the most prepared team didn't win.” -Urban Meyer-
The Next 2-3 years are going to be amazing with these new recruits coming in. Talent wise it's going to rival or pass John Cooper's teams of the 90s. Regardless of whether we get into the playoffs or not, I just hope we get paired up with an SEC team in a bowl game and pound the @#$% out of them to shut their mouths up. #GOBUCKS
I can't help but think that should Bama lose to Auburn and Miss. State lose to Ole Miss the chaos that would ensue should no SEC teams be in the play offs. Certainly Ole miss wouldn't move up much if they got the W and Auburn has all but shot its wad.
Man. No SEC teams in the first ever play off would be like Christmas morning!!!
My Personal CFB Rankings. Based on the best wins, record, and current eye test.
4. Ohio State
6. Michigan St.
8. K St.
10. Georgia? Ole Miss? UCLA?
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I still want Alabama to lose and MSU to lose to Mizz.
Really hope we make it to #3 so we play Oregon in the Rose bowl.
I still have no idea how Michigan State isn't in the top 10? They lost to #2 on the road and #6 at home. Sure, their quality wins category may be relatively limited, but I don't see how Georgia is up there with a loss to Florida on their resume. I'd love for Bama to lose to Auburn, but I don't see that happening. Its at Alabama and the playoff spot is on the line. I do think its quite funny that Florida State gets no respect. Unbeaten in 2 years, a national title last year, and jumped by two 1-loss teams.
Any remotely realistic scenario where no SEC team makes it in the playoff?
This committee has alot to learn from the NCAA Hoops Committee. The way the Buckeyes are playing now vs way back on Sept 6, we are now NOT the 5th best out of the 6 one loss teams.
Throw out the darn stats Committee! You said you are going to ensure the BEST 4 teams are in the playoff! Who is playing best now? Not back before any of these schools had classes in session and it was only our new O line and JTs second start!!!!
This what happens when you rank everyone in the SEC. It doesn't matter bad a loss to a multiple loss SEC opponent. They are all still rank or will be again shortly (ie. LSU, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, MSU, Gerogia!).
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It. Is. Time.
I think we are right where we should be right now. I will say this though, based on the graphics shown on the countdown show, OSU currently has a better SOS and we have comparable W-L against top 25 teams versus as Baylor and TCU. This will boil down to having a conference championship (which the Big 12 does not). That being said, its a matter of when, not if, OSU passes TCU to be number 5. If Wisky wins out and is ranked 16 or better and we beat them in the B1G championship, we will be at 4....Of course a loss by anyone ahead of us will make this plot much easier to obtain.
...Because I couldn't go for 3
We shouldnt be the 5th of the 6 one loss teams. Vegas says only Bama and OR would be favored against us in H2H games amongst entire top 10.
No one wants to play us, we can put up 50 and have great D.
Ohio State fans need to relax, We need to root for Wisconsin to finish strong and get ranked a little higher preferably in the top 10 but I think 12 or better will work. Our SOS is already better than Baylors and TCU's and with Wisconsin we might just catch Miss St which is only ranked a couple spots ahead of us when is some to SOS. If we take care of business and look impressive doing it we will be in the playoffs. Ohio St VS Alabama in the Rose Bowl, Scarlet vs Crimson, Urban vs Saban. College Football needs that match up.
#4 is as good as #1..
Seriously - I am digging this committee process! In the back of my mind, I thought our performance against the gophers was going to hurt us (given how many times it had over the years with the AP and coach's poll) but to hear them actually come out and give us credit for winning on the road, against a good team, in shitty weather - well I am sold thus far! Keep winning Buckeyes and the rest will take care of itself!!!
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It's about Indiana and how we play them. If the Bucks win in an over the top way limiting Ind. at little to nothing...we jump an idle TCU and possibly a lack luster MSU playing Vandy (bye). Unless of course if BYE beats TCU and Vandy catches MSU with a hang over...well then a Bucks over the top puts them vying for the #3 spot; how did Ore. look against Mich. St.?
So what does it mean if we get in the CFP and win or, get into the CFP and win one round, or get in the CFP and win NO round?
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I like where we are ranked. It will keep our team hungry to get into the top 4.
This will all take care of itself. The idea that the top 7 teams will all win out (including us!) with three weeks left is absurd. You can look at each team on their own and easily project them to win out, sure. But taken together, it is unlikely.
Personally I think the most likely upsets are Texas over TCU, Kansas State over Baylor, Ole Miss over Miss St, and USC/UCLA over Oregon. I don't see Alabama losing again, at home to a weaker Auburn and to a Gurley-less Georgia. I thought FSU would lose one of these damn games but I'm done predicting that they will lose. Maybe to Georgia Tech if Duke can lose to UNC, they'll be in. But I doubt it.
I also think one-dimensional Wisconsin will give us a run for our money. Unlike Nebraska though, I think we have the offense to out score them, even if Gordon rushes for 4 TD and 300 yards. We can top 28 points.
As long as OSU wins out they are in. I feel confident a couple...if not a few...teams ahead of OSU will lose. All of these teams other than the Big12 play a title game. Still a lot of football to be played and a lot of big games lurk. OSU needs to just win and it will work out on Dec 7th!