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Oyster's picture

I said it before and I'll say it again.  Embrace this year and the problems up North, because it will end very soon.  It has been a great 7 years, I just wish it could have been 7 more.

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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LouGroza's picture

If there are as many unwanted hands in the cookie jar making decisions up north, they could very possibly screw it all up again. Maybe not the cluster that it is now, just one less ring in the circus. (Fingers crossed)

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Oyster's picture

The Carr camp has been all but banned, so their interference should not be an issue this time.  I do think that a number of them will still want the mythical Michigan Man as their savior for the football team, but from what I have been reading, that line of thinking is starting to die off.  Some have actaully read the quote from Bo about a Michigan Man coaching Michigan and they have realized what was said by Bo is nothing close to what it has morphed into now.  My gut says they get a young up and comer and let him do his thing.

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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rdubs's picture

For their sake I would hope that the realization that they turned down Sumlin for Hoke is enough to throw the Michigan Man meme to the curb when picking their next coach.  If they can get a Harbaugh that's fine, but holding on to some mythical ideal as the sole criterion for choosing a coach is a recipe for disaster.

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okiebuck's picture

Lane Kiffin is available....

The only hard day was yesterday

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THEOSUfan's picture

I highly recommend Charlie Weis.  It would be awesome to see scUM with a decided schematic advantage like that.

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

Totally agree.  'Michigan Man' is about as defined and agreed upon as my wife's argument with me that I have a pair of black socks in the drawer which I clearly see as a dark navy blue left sock and a black right sock - but in spirit are simply dark or 'black'.  

I also agree that our reign of terror over Michigan is coming to an end, but it will be interesting to see if they come to their senses and try to build a new brand of winning versus trying to relive and restore Bo's way of winning.  His coaching tree has a lot of great names, but I don't see half of them wanting to take the job or qualifying to take it.

That said, I'm sure if Bo were alive he would readily admit that the tradition of toughness and winning that he built doesn't require people from the program - he himself being a prime example.  His brand of winning cannot be replaced or restored, so it's time to move on - Gary Moeller was their best drunken bet until he self-imploded, and that was only because John Cooper wasn't much of a challenge for them.  Lloyd Carr being 'banned from the program' doesn't help them either.  All told, I've said it before, but they may want to consider someone like Tommy Tuberville - his staff has done a great job with UC, and he is proven to win at big programs.  If they want a home run, they better get the Harbaughs right - I overheard a convo that they wanted John more than Jim and haven't been giving Jim the same kind of attn as for John... fail if true

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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Oyster's picture

In the WSJ article, Ross was asked about a replacement if Hoke were to be relieved and he went right back to that "Michigan Man" mantra.

Ross continued to state that if Hoke is replaced, then in his belief, "(Brandon) will look for a Michigan person that will fit Michigan. That's someone who doesn't want to win at any cost. Who plays by the rules and doesn't take shortcuts."

So we do have hope that there will be a Hoke 2.0 in the wings.   

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

So we do have hope that there will be a Hoke 2.0 in the wings. 

I think you have it backwards. If Michigan hires a Hoke 2.0, the (buffalo) wings will be in the Hoke 2.0, not the other way around.

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

Badabing~!

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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chitown buckeye's picture

Sadly enough they had a great hire in Rich Rod. This was the exact hire that should have been made but the old powers of the university couldn't deal with the non Michigan Man and set him up to fail. He was a defensive Coordinator away to being on to something really great in AA. His offense was comparable to what we are looking at currently in Columbus. I truly believe that had RR been given the support Hoke's been given this tailspin of Michigan would have never taken place.

"I'm having a heart attack!"

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I am curious why Rich Rod is accepted as great hire?  He had one championship type run at WV.  In my book, his DC Castille should get a lot of credit for that.  Rich Rod has a great offensive mind, but is fairly clueless on the other side of the ball,  When they win now at Arizona, it is because they are lighting up the scoreboard (see 49-45 win over also ran California).  Not sure I get all the Rich Rod love accept that some don't like the way he was run out of town on a rail.
 

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chitown buckeye's picture

Its not a love for RR. I appreciated his offensive mind as well as appreciated the fact Michigan took a chance and hired someone that was part of the new wave offense that swept and is still sweeping through college football. I agree with you from the defensive perspective that he has no clue but at the same time that is a simple hire at a place like Michigan. If Michigan was looking to keep with the times and stay relevant (offensively) RR was a great hire. Again, not having the support of the major alumni was more crippling to RR and Michigan. If RR had been given a pay check to pay a coordinator, or simply given a chance to clean up the defense,  I think things could have been very different under his leadership there. I for one was relieved  he was canned after year 3. He was definitely on to something offensively up there and all he truly needed was a defense. You look at things now and their defense is mediocre at best and the offense is a trainwreck. Much easier to just have to fix one side of the ball and under RR that's all you had to do. Would have been very interesting to see what RR would have done yr 4 if given the opportunity.

"I'm having a heart attack!"

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fear_the_nut70's picture

"agree with you from the defensive perspective that he has no clue but at the same time that is a simple hire at a place like Michigan."

If that were true, they would not have hired GERG last time and screwed the pooch.  Head coach picks his assistants, and if that coach doesn't get it, good luck with that.  In fairness to him, he did ask Castille first but he would not come over.  But that's when a guy who "gets it" can evaluate talent and find a suitable replacement.

Other complaint I had about RichRod--he knew one thing, the spread, and tried to run it with the likes of Tate Forcier.  Good coaches can master one system and use it to beat lesser coaches.  Great coaches can design a system around the talent they have and maximize their assets(JT exemplified this by altering his offense when he had Troy back there and great receivers, UFM running a power game out of his spread last two years).  RichRod falls in the first category after banging his head against a wall for three years running an offense that didn't fit his personnel.

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45buckshot's picture

That's kind of a weird view I think. Defensively, RR was doomed. He brought his defensive philosophy with him, thinking what worked in the ACC would work in the B1g. No chance. It can work in the PAC12; he's a good fit there--lots of shoot outs and only 2 teams that even try to play defense (USC and Stanford). His 3-4 defense was going to get run all over here. He never would have challenged for a title. We gave Cooper the same crap when he was hired (he didn't fit the culture), but he won through it. He did had much better DCs though. ;)

Similarly though, Hoke appears to have needed an OC that knew what he was doing and never got one. Borges didn't fit the personnel, Bama fans seem glad to have jettisoned their scraps to up North. But basically, I think what you got with the Hokester is another great recruiter who can't coach. I can empathize. ;) 

But if Borges hadn't inherited RR's players the Hokester might have been alright. Never great, but alright. Better than RR. 

But never a Sumlin either. hahahaha suckers.

“The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.”
—G.K. Chesterton
 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I am curious why you think his D wouldn't work in the B1G?  I am assuming this isn't some "high and mighty" statement, but rather, something specific.  CFB to me has changed a lot--where the B1G used to be ground and pound and defense league, it looks a lot more like other conferences now.  Hell, we're watching shootouts now in the SEC.  Perhaps for RichRod, it was more a question of timing as maybe he was a head of his time (at least in terms of a job in the B1G).  But I would love to know why you think such a defense in general wouldn't have worked in the B1G.  Keep in mind, Northwestern was already running the spread.  Ohio State was in the process of opening things up and running more of a shootout offense.  That's just a couple of examples. 

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SlumLord6973's picture

I agree. In my opinion the problem isn't necessarily the ones who they hired. Now don't get me wrong. In hindsight Brandon and Hoke were not good hires. I think in spite of their records and methods that they aren't really the problem. They are a symptom or a result stemming from the real issue which runs a little deeper. The real issue is a cultural arrogance and misplaced elitism that surrounds the the school and board of trustees itself. Its the unwillingness to acknowledge that things have to change in the very way you do things and maybe stop approaching it as if Michigan is a destination program. They are not keeping up with the times. Its not even hard to figure out. In order to win you have to spend money. You have to spend lots of money. Going the cheap bargain basement route has netted what? Brady Hoke. Kill the idea of the "Michigan Man". Its over. Everyone knows it but Michigan. Open the purse strings and commit to winning. Or just stick with Hoke because you really aren't going to do any better unless you pony up the check. 

In my opinion of course. 

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Oyster's picture

In hindsight Brandon and Hoke were not good hires.

Brandon, nobody knew at the time what would happen.  Hoke, on the other hand, was obvious from the day it was announced because they hired a head coach with a LOSING RECORD!

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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Joebobb's picture

Different take on Brandon here. He has been very successful despite his popularity. He was brought in so he could shore up the athletic department finances and create new revenue streams. He has done a good job at that. This is what a corporate CEO type does.

He is not good at catering to the students and playing the politics in the academic circles that is a major university. He has failed at the PR game and also the long game. Under his leadership, the facts will show he has brought their programs significant financial benefits and has shored up the financial stability of the program for the short term. In the long run, his mantra will have alienated the students and prevent the younger alumni from embracing the program and whomever succeeds him will have to clean up that mess however, no one will remember that Brandon caused the mess.

Where Brandon fails and did not realize when he came to Michigan is that the fan base has a finite number of people who will be Michigan fans. If you are an alumni or live in the area you are going to be a fan. You cannot significantly grow your popularity beyond your geographic and alumni reach. With Dominos, even if you alienated a set of customers, you could always tap into an untapped market. Not the case with UM, you cannot go to East Lansing to secure new fans to replace the ones you have alienated.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

What you are saying is that he is good at marketing Michigan.  My question is, after more than a century of doing that, is that really something that you need to focus on?  Doesn't it market itself (especially if you just win a decent number of football games)?  Canham had already built the brand in the seventies, all Brandon has to do is not fuck it up.

Things like putting the macaroni noodle out front, trying to keep the band from going to Jerry World for UM's biggest game that year to save a few bucks, and charging for seat cushions tells me he is a CEO who can maximize the bottom line at the expense of the fans' experience.  The failure of the team on the field tells me he doesn't have any idea about putting together a competitive program, and with the advantages that UM has, this is almost criminally stupid.  Yes he is a good fundraiser and marketer, but beyond that, an abject failure as an AD (and at MGOblue, more than one fan has commented about how downright rude and arrogant he is in emails to fans.  I am not sure they teach you in marketing classes to be rude and obnoxious to customers when you also happen to be peddling a shitty product, but I don't have a MBA, so maybe I just don't get it).

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Joebobb's picture

The AD's job is not necessarily to win games in fact, you can be a great AD and the program will be a middle of the road program, but the AD's job is to manage the program and ensure it makes money for the university, funds all the sanctioned sports. He raises funds to help put infa-structure in place so the teams can compete. He also hires the coaches. With the exception of Brady Hoke, he has done a good job in that area (Jon beelien in Bball is a success). The AD is only indirectly responsible for the results on the field. He is also a Michgian Man so he has that going for him as well.

The problem with college sports as John U Bacon points out is that it is not about monetizing everything and he is approaching it like a corporate CEO trying to maximize every last dollar. In the NFL that is fine because ultimately, the success of the franchise is about turning a profit not developing the fan base. This is why everyone envies Jerry Jones, he puts a lousy product on the field half the time but his team is the most valuable in the league. In college, football is much more about the whole university experience, it is a culture, a religion, not just something to do with your spare time. People pay money to go to the games but they are going for so much more too (tailgating, nostalgia, etc). College football is a way to connect with the alma mater whereas the pro game is not like that. By monetizing all of this to the max, it chases away students and young alumni who will eventually be the big donors to support the program and 10 -15 years from now, their donations will be missed because they will not feel that connection. This is where he fails, but again it is a different mindset from what he brings to the table.  He is playing a short game instead of the long game which is ultimately more important

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Your response seems to be all over the place to me.  What you write about the AD's job is generally true at most places.  However, not all schools are exactly the same.  What you write might be true at Iowa State.  Certain schools are different, and Michigan is one of such school.  The brand has already been built, so much of the fundraising and marketing is a matter of walking the dog so to speak.  But the AD has to know, based on history, that he is going to be judged by how the football team does to some degree (and since he hires the coach, he will get the credit or the blame).  I watched this exact same thing play out at Arizona State when their AD was fired, and it was primarily because of the lack of success of the football and basketball teams (not one person even suggested the university was financially strapped).  This is magnified 1000 times at a school like Michigan.   

As for this statement, "He is also a Michgian Man so he has that going for him as well.," I can tell you, I am not hearing from any UM students and alums who find this the least bit redeeming.  The truth is, many are starting to reassess Bo's statement and what he really meant by that (as Bo himself was not really a Michigan Man in the sense it is now being used since he is really an "Ohio man").  Being a "Michigan man" really means that you love that school so much you will do anything for it to promote it's success. 

I agreed with almost everything you wrote in paragraph two (which really seems to support my point) save the last sentence: "He is playing a short game instead of the long game which is ultimately more important."  I am not sure what this even means, but I will take a stab at it.  In the corporate world, there is a term called "short-termism," which basically means CEO's are judged by the quarterly net gain or loss in the value of their stocks.  If this is akin to what you mean, I have no idea why you think that is what is "ultimately important." (it would be for a school that is cash strapped. like say Maryland before moving to B1G.  This is NOT Michigan). When big programs fail in college, it starts with multiple losing seasons.  This results in fan apathy, empty stadiums, decrease in merchandise sales, etc.  UM won't die in this fashion, but I fail to see how "capitalizing on profits" by bilking people out of money for seat cushions in the short term works as some drop their season tickets (I have talked to some UM fans who say this is happening as their waiting list for tickets is completely gone).  Capitalizing on these kinds of streams of income if it costs you generations of fans is the best way to diminish long term profits, exactly what has been happening in corporate America because of stagnant salaries and cuts to research and development being scrapped all in the name of spiking quarterly stock prices.  I would say we would have to wait to see how this plays out with Brandon at UM, but I don't think he will be there much longer.

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Joebobb's picture

First, I will disagree that at Michigan fundraising is like walking the dog. It still will require a person with connections and the ability to twist a few arms but yes, fundraising at Michigan is much easier than say fundraising at say Cincinnati but it still takes a person with the right connections to the alumni and other influencial people to continue the success. I cite 2 examples, 1) Gordon Gee - Awesome fundraiser even though he often put his foot in his mouth. He held on at OSU much longer than anyone else because he was a great fundraiser. If as you say, the Ohio State Brand carries itself, then there should have been no issue cutting Gee lose long before OSU actually did. 2) Mike Thomas, Athletic Director at Illinois. Prior to going to Illinois, he was at Cincinnati, he was known as someone who did a good job at hiring coaches and was a strong administrator but he was not a good fundraiser. Now, Cincinnati was not a brand the level of Michigan but it was good when he left because they were able to get a strong fundraiser to push for their stadium expansion. These are 2 examples where the right person in the position makes all the difference for fundraising. This is where Brandon is probably successful.

To clarify the short game v long game. You are pretty much correct. My point was that Brandon plays the short game because in 10 years when everything goes to Sh*t no one will be there to remember that it was his doing and it will be blamed on the successor. While this will not hurt his legacy, it will ultimately make things worse for the university. This is where I think he is doing a disservice and we are in total agreement here.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Oh and if that's why they brought him in, then the BOR is also stupid.  So much money is coming in through the B1G Network ESPN deals, that it is almost impossible not to be awash in cash.

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Whoa Nellie's picture

Gotta love this quote from John U Bacon's Yahoo Postgame article:

"The [athletic] department has all the credibility of Pravda, and half the charm." 

“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”

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fear_the_nut70's picture

That quote is fantastic.  For those that haven't read the Bacon article, it is a must read.  It really captures the problem at UM succinctly.

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southbuc's picture

Their program has been set back 5 years minimum. 

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rdubs's picture

I disagree, if they hire the right person they will be good within a year or 2 tops.  Their personnel is very solid so unless the new person runs everyone off, they will get the opportunity to develop the high level recruits that Hoke was able to snag and subsequently waste.

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jhart's picture

Agreed.  *ichigan isn't facing anything that isn't insurmountable in short (2-3 years) order, with the right coach.

While it's fun watching this dumpster fire, I want them to turn it around.  It's more fun to beat a *ichigan team that has double digit victories, than one that is a struggling .500 team. It's better for OSU and the B1G as well.

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AcrossTheField11's picture

I welcome them being good again.  I liken Ohio State to the Stark's in Game of Thrones.  Having our key bannermen be PSU, Sparty, and Wisconsin does not hold the same level of power as having a strong UM.  

We can't travel south of the trident and take on the Lannister's (Alabama and the SEC) for championships without UM being at full strength once again.  Having another B1G perennial top 10 team will give us a shot at a playoff berth in any given year assuming we run the table.  Dunno if we can say that right now.  

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I will wait to see if they hire a good AD and Coach before I pronounce an end to their misery (they have botched it the last two times in my book).  F that up, and we will get four more years of this.

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osu07asu10's picture

This time of the year the winds tend to shift and the jet stream drops down out of Canada and the North, to bring cooler air to Ohio.

This year it smells like one massive bag of dog shit has been set a blaze on Ohio's front porch...

Just Michigan's program continuing to smolder....

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Oyster's picture

I thought you were going to paint a picture of the smell of leaves burning and hot cider in the air.  Silly me.

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Well, something's up in flames up there.

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osu07asu10's picture

I thought you were going to paint a picture of the smell of leaves burning and hot cider in the air.  Silly me.

There is that too Oyster.

Our beautiful state is doing all she can in this wonderful Fall football season. The stank emanating from that state is just too overpowering right now...

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Oyster's picture

You had me ready to rake leaves and play with my children this afternoon, until I read the whole thing.  Now I'll just stay inside and drink beer.

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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osu07asu10's picture

Ha! I apologize (on Michigan's behalf) for dampening the Fall spirit. I'd recommend getting out there today. If you're in Central Ohio tomorrow is going to be a deluge.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Bama is in a no lose situation against Ole Miss, whether they deserve to be ranked 11 or not.  If Bama blows them out, everyone says it's because Bama is so good.  If it's a close game, Bama beat the #11 team on the road, and Ole Miss probably gets bumped up a few spots.  If Bama loses, they lose to the #11 team on the road, probably drop to #4, and still make the playoff.

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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roamingbuckeye's picture

huh, its almost like its the exact opposite of when OSU plays overranked teams...

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Playing in the B1G, I don't think OSU has to worry about any overrated teams.

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Here's a quote from Bosa yesterday:

"It’s why I play football: To go out there and have fun with my friends and hit the quarterback in the face."

Hands down, simply the BEST tidbit I've read in quite awhile. I do prefer "mouth" over "face"....but we love it Joey!

A lion sleeps in every man, dissatisfaction moves him,  complacency keeps him asleep.

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Buckabroad's picture

Bosa plainly is having a good time at OSU.

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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MattyBeingMatty's picture

Gotta pray that he wants to play one year with his brother... Although by the looks of it, and the way NFL Defensive Line play is at a premium right now, he will be a top 15 pick come April of 2016.

“Not everybody’s the perfect person in the world, I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever. I think that people need a second chance, and I’ve always looked up to Mike Vick." -TP

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ohiobobg's picture

I'm sure we'd ALL love to see He and Nick on the field together, I don't see Him giving up millions of $$$ for that. He may go #1, depending on who else is available.

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Dmac3212's picture

I doubt it, but really depends on his measurables. He is real athletic but I think he is seen more of a motor guy, similar to jared Allen. For some reasons, NFL scouts don't like football players, they like freak athletes. 

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Alhan's picture

The tweet about all of his forced fumbles turning into TDs is incorrect though. One last week went for a safety. Still, it was a score!

"The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes." - EACommunityTeam

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

And they scored on the ensuing drive after the free kick, so it sort of did.

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Alhan's picture

I misinterpreted the tweet to mean immediate and not on the ensuing drive. Thanks for the correction.

"The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes." - EACommunityTeam

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ibuck's picture

When UC kicked after the safety, the Buckeyes got the ball on their 42. Then they went on a 9 play 58 yd TD drive.

To me, that short field led to a Buckeye score. And the 2 points for the safety made it a 9 point swing for the OSU. Better than a TD.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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JoeAndSo's picture

I agree, I literally laughed out loud when I read that. 

"¯\_(ツ)_/¯"  - Joey Bosa

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

I'm really confused on what kind of stunt the voters think they're pulling by ranking 6 of the 7 teams in the SEC West.  You can't honestly believe that because they "beat up on each other" that you can keep them in the rankings.  Ole Miss is seriously nowhere close to top 15 material and neither is Miss St.  Just because they beat an average LSU team does not mean they're good.  I can agree with Auburn and Bama being highly ranked but the rest of the teams just aren't top 15.  FWIW, Michigan State is the highest ranked 1 loss team in the country, so there's that.

Also, Jason Whitlock is a no talent ass clown.

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maniacmcgoo's picture

IMO the media are lazy and they just take ESPN's lead and follow like the good little lemmings they are. Pawwwl and many of the other "analysts" at ESPN have been pounding this drum since the preseason arguing that the SEC west is as good as an NFL division.

On the other hand, when you pay your players or their fathers fat stacks to play "da footebawl" you can't really call yourself amateurs so they may have a point.

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southbuc's picture

Fav office space quote. Use it all the time. Well done. 

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jhart's picture

Agree...

Here's a breakdown of who the 6 SEC West Teams have played:

Team W/L Score
Alabama (AP #3)
West Virginia W 33-23
Florida Atlantic W 41-0
Southern Miss W 52-12
Florida W 42-21
Team W/L Score
Auburn (AP #5)
Arkansas W 45-21
San Jose State W 59-13
Kansas State W 20-14
Louisiana Tech W 45-17
Team W/L Score
Texas A&M (AP #6)
South Carolina W 52-28
Lamar (?) W 73-3
Rice W 38-10
SMU W 58-6
Arkansas W 35-28
Team W/L Score
Ole Miss (AP #11)
Boise State W 35-13
Vanderbilt W 41-3
Louisiana-Lafeyette W 56-15
Memphis W 24-3
Team W/L Score
Mississippi State (AP #12)
Southern Miss W 49-0
UAB W 47-34
South Alabama W 35-3
LSU W 34-29
Team W/L Score
LSU (AP #15)
Wisconsin W 28-24
Sam Houston State W 56-0
Louisiana-Monroe W 31-0
Mississippi State L 29-34
New Mexico State W 63-7

Mississippi State's movement is what is curious to me...they went from being unranked prior to beating a then #8 LSU to being ranked 14th.  Then, after a bye, they move up 2 spots to 12 (leap frogging Georgia who beat Tennessee, dropping them from 12 to 13)?

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Dr. IlliBuckeye's picture

While you could easily argue that Miss St. should be ranked, #12 is probably way too high.

Buckeye in the desert of Washington state.

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Brutus's picture

How can you guys not upvote the Hedgehog? For shame.

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CarolinaBuck's picture

Have any of us been dazzled by our skilled players?

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Crumb's picture

Is EzE considered a skill player? Cause I don't know if I'd call it dazzling but he was dang impressive against UC.

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I think you're giving too much credit to UC's defense.

Read my entire screen name....

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Crumb's picture

Any time a non QB goes over 200 total yards it's impressive.

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11UrbzAndSpices's picture

Michael Thomas and I Bedazzled a denim coat last night, does that count?

If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.

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MattyBeingMatty's picture

Vagazzled?

“Not everybody’s the perfect person in the world, I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever. I think that people need a second chance, and I’ve always looked up to Mike Vick." -TP

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I have been.  Have they been as consistent as we'd like?  No.  But we aren't struggling to score touchdowns.  Compare this to what is going on in AA.  God Ohio State fans can be so spoiled.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Earle's picture

The first part of your comment is unfortunately placed (not that there's anything wrong with that).

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ibuck's picture

YES !  As a freshman QB, JT Barrett has been phenomenal. 

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Crumb's picture

If I were a Buckeye assistant I'd put that quote up somewhere that Dontre, EzE, Mike Thomas, Jalin Marshall and Co. can see it everyday between now and next fall in Blacksburg. Putting the hurt on a team of freshman and sophomores in the 2nd game of the season and then not getting up for ECU a week later at home sounds like a personal problem.

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Crumb's picture

Quick question to everyone, if we were in a mess like ttun would any of you wear piss yellow and tears blue in Columbus to protest? I know I wouldn't be caught dead and in hell wearing anything from that school up north, no matter what.

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buckeyedude's picture

I can't stand the color yellow. I have one yellow golf shirt that I got at a garage sale two years ago, and I've never worn it in public. Not once. I think I paid .75 cents for it but I don't know why.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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Oyster's picture

You paid too much.

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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WezBuck28's picture

In case you ever run out of TP in the middle of the night and have nothing else...keep that shirt in mind..

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CCatanzaro's picture

I won't even use yellow highlighters, they remind me too much of UMs basketball unis.  My eyes!!!

Dairy-fed intellect and pure, unhinged sass.

 

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WC Buckeye's picture

Keep it in your trunk to tie to your door if you break down on the side of the road. On second thought, don't do that - everyone would pass you by and throw things at you. Set it on fire behind the car if you break down.

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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keeponbraxtonmebabe's picture

Sorry, I wear Blue and Yellow every Friday night. The town that I live in and the high school team that I follow has colors almost identical to Michigan. Most of my summer T-shirts, shorts are Blue and gold for that same reason. Don't be dumb about colors, they are just that, colors. Once Saturday comes along I am all scarlet and gray.

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WC Buckeye's picture

Right, just as you may get criticized for wearing scarlet and gray to your team's high school games.

Michigan wearing them is what makes maize and blue suck, and no one else.

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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ohiobobg's picture

My wife's a Bama grad - so pretty much all of our clothes are red(ish) and white(ish). It just works for us. ( well, right up till we meet in the NCG, then I'll be moving out to the tool shed for awhile... )

"you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning"

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sharks's picture

Lets not paint Alabama as a paragon of progressive thinking, even when compared to Ole Miss...

As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster...

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Buckeye Black's picture

As a Mississippi resident, and frequenter to the Grove, Ole Miss fans are not as racist as you'd think. I ran into just as much racism at Ohio State in undergrad. Alabama though, they are racist. They just allowed black coeds into sororities this year or last year.

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Buckeye Black's picture

I guess I should clarify, due to my screen name. I'm not black, that's my last name.

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Bucksfan's picture

I'm not planning on getting into this debate.  I'm just going to say that I completely disagree with your sentiment, that there are a lot of ways to mask racism in public, and Mississippi calling Alabama more racist is like a lake calling an ocean "more wet."

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ohiobobg's picture

I'm in Huntsville. Let me just say that Alabama's unofficial motto is "Thank god for Mississippi"...

"you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning"

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ibuck's picture

It seems both Alabama and Mississippi fail to enforce laws observed by most of the rest of the US.

How to change this? Should we take away their statehood, and have them revert back to territories?

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CALPOPPY's picture

To really show them we should just kick them out of the country and then they would have to form their own.

Memento mori

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robobuck's picture

Sarcasm font?

Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it.  1 Corinthians 9:24

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OH1O State's picture

I would be surprised if Wunder sues Ohio State or the Schlegel.  I don't know him at all, but you have to hope he's had a reality check by now, and realized what he stands to lose in the future (employment, etc.).  Dragging another court case into this would only intensify the publicity.  It seems his family has enough money as it is, and I'm sure they all just want this to go away.

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Abe Froman's picture

I think that the defense will be that Wunder us a student and therefore should have access to certain facilities including the Shoe.  Additionally, the 'use of excessive force' in detaining him might be used as leverage but I doubt he sues.  The kid is a smart kid, you don't make it past the 2 & 3 year engineering courses being a dummy.  He obviously made a bad choice that day, as many of us have done (albeit not running onto e field DURING a game) in our pasts.  

Nothing says "You're a Loser" more than owning a motivational poster about being a Winner.

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buckeye_chick's picture

FWIW, I heard Tony White on the radio yesterday. His legal opinion was that the kid wouldn't have a leg to stand on, that it is well-marked that you're supposed to stay the hell off the field, and "drunk and stupid" is not a legal defense.

Is it possible that the Evans Scholarship people quietly reinstate him after this thing's blown over?

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ohiobobg's picture

The fact that he was charged with criminal trespass and that Anthony can claim he did not know if the idiot was armed or not would get this tossed out on the 1st day.

"you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning"

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Squirrel Master's picture

I might be mistaken but I don't think he is suing the University, I think he is being represented in defense of his crime and asked for a jury trial.

If he sues, he is an idiot and hopefully wouldn't win.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

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fear_the_nut70's picture

What you describe is an America that doesn't closely resemble the one that we have.  In the words of Sol, sue everybody.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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TUNBUCK89's picture

About that Mears guy....He just happens to own OSU hoodie? Hmmmm....OK!!!.......How convenient!!!

That nugget about James Clark simulating Steffon Diggs in practice is very reassuring. That means he's getting his speed back & would love to see him contribute on special teams may be as KR/PR.

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FitzBuck's picture

Idiot fan gave up a full ride for immortality.

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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CHESAPEAKE-VA-BUCK's picture

It HAS been a great seven years with the buffoonery that we have seen in the head coaches of Meatchicken, and It may soon come to and end.

But take heart my fellow Buckeyes, if Dave Brandon survives another year... Lane Kiffin is available for a head coaching job.

What a coup it would be to "steal" the current " SEC" offensive coordinator from Alabama, right?

Did I mention "SEC"?

"Woody is a God-fearing man. It's good to know that he's afraid of somebody." --Archie Griffin
 

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Oyster's picture

I think Brandon has a very good chance to survive myself.  He has Ross on his side, and he just came out again to reaffirm his support of Brandon in the WSJ.  Those $100 million donations go a long way to getting your opinion heard and considered.  UM certainly doesn't want him to get mad, take his checkbook and go home.

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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TUNBUCK89's picture

I just hope they 're not smart enough to go after coach Tressel because for them it would a homerun hire. He is from Ohio; he coached at tOSU & with his ability to recruit the state of Ohio he WILL be able to turn things around in AA in no time.

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WC Buckeye's picture

I hope that's a job the Vest would NEVER take.

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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ibuck's picture

Why would Tressel do that? He can't need the money, and UM wouldn't offer enough to entice him (or probably other quality FBS or NFL coaches) How much did he make from OSU?  

He's already got the hall of fame, so that can't motivate him.

And  he seems to like his non-sports gig—and probably the shorter hours.

And loyalty is a big deal to him, otherwise certain assistant coaches would not have endured at OSU.

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chitown buckeye's picture

What if he felt like he got a raw deal at OSU? What if what most think around here is true that he was the "fall" guy for the whole tat-gate. Maybe he would want to give a big F-U and go coach the rivals. Just pointing out scenarios, not saying these are my wishes.

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Oyster's picture

I don't like the way you think ; )

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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ibuck's picture

ChiTown, that scenario seems pretty unlikely, given the statements (including saying "Go Bucks!") Tressel has made since leaving OSU.

And didn't his firing turn out to be resignation/retirement? 

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MattyBeingMatty's picture

I said to some friends yesterday "How great would it be if they hired Kiffin and Urban got another go at owning him"... I would love nothing more. 

Coach Tressel is very happy in his life as the President of Youngstown State University.  Michigan trying to pry him away from that would only cause embarrassment for them.  Hasn't he done that enough to that university already?

“Not everybody’s the perfect person in the world, I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever. I think that people need a second chance, and I’ve always looked up to Mike Vick." -TP

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Squirrel Master's picture

Brandon already did that last year with Nussmeier. Think about that!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

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FROMTHE18's picture

to be honest, Foster isn't completely wrong. Our offense was pretty crap vs VT. It was largely due to the OL but when you drop passes and fail to have any game changing plays, you deserve to be given a poor evaluation. I will say this, Bud needs to figure out how not to give up game winning drives to ECU at home and not about our developing-into-a-monster offensive skill. 

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Furious George 27's picture

I would say the Thomas TD was a game changer when it tied the game. But outside of that you are correct. I would chalk that up to VT facing OSU at the right time when it was trying to figure out its offensive identity post Miller. This offense is not even remotely the same as it was against VT. 

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

The proof is in the pudding.  Foster dared our skill guys to beat them.  They really didn't.  I've got no problem with what he's laying down.  I'd love to get a rematch with them this year.

Read my entire screen name....

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Hovenaut's picture

How about next year?

I expect a return serve on their court.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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N3t's picture

certainly we would be better prepared but I still don't think we have world beaters at the skilled position.  I still have not seen a buckeye go up and out compete the opponent for the ball since Meyer arrived.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Unless I'm misreading what you and FromThe18 are saying, I think you both are giving Foster too much credit. Again, Foster said:

"Probably skill-wise, the most talented we've seen all year, counting Ohio State."

Okay, so Foster didn't say that UNC's skill guys on 10/4 will be more talented than Ohio State's skill guys were on 9/6. He's saying they're flat out more talented and I think that's a big stretch. But even if concede that point, Foster's defense also lost to East Carolina, giving up 28 points because ECU's darkhouse Heisman candidate QB, Shane Carden passed for 424 yards against them. Carden was able to complete jump ball passes against VT's talented DBs in single-coverage to ECU's tall WRs (e.g., 6'3 Cam Worthy caught 224 yards). As a result, ECU got over 500 yards against Foster's defense. So, is Foster suggesting that UNC will get 600 yards and 30+ points against his defense?  

What's worse, is that the week after VT lost to ECU, the Pirates destroyed . . . you guessed it, UNC 70-41! And ECU destroying UNC wasn't a fluke. The turnover margin in that game was even. UNC got out-rushed by ECU 343 yards to 145 and out-gained overall 789 yards to 439. ECU's skill players put up video game numbers against UNC, while UNC's supposedly ultra-talented skill guys did alright.

So please explain to me how/why Foster's comments make any sense? 

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Haybucks's picture

Foster doesn't make graphical sense. If he's in the mood for Schlegeling tOSU he should have said East Carolina not North Carolina.

If the world comes to an end, I want to be in Cincinnati. Everything comes there ten years later. -  Mark Twain

 

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BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Thanks for the shout out, DJ. My first appearance in a Skull Session will be celebrated by doing absolutely nothing at work today. I'll be in the premium lounge sipping Bulleit while reading 500 scathing articles on the shit show up north. 

Another point to add about Bosa's forced fumbles is the Cincinnati play netted 9 points if you include the safety. The kid is an animal.   

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

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Buckeye_in_SEC_country's picture

Need to chill out with categorizing all southerners  DJ. My roots are from Ohio even tho I live in TN. Everybody is good in my book no matter what the color of their skin is. 

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SOF_Buckeye's picture

I'm all about bashing the SEC, but some of the crap put out towards the south is just that, crap. I'm from Ohio (southern Ohio), but have lived in the south (NC) for 28 years now (military brought me here, retired, and stayed). Rednecks are everywhere (quite frankly, when visiting home, I see some of the best examples). Regardless, continue on in your progressive thinking, if that's what gets you by.

"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender." Woody Hayes

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Breakawayspeed's picture

Agree.  Spare us from racial controversy here.  There are plenty of political blogs for that.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Also, DJ isn't a college freshman anymore. We all remember those coffeehouse pulpiteers who knew just enough to be dangerous.

An article on BBC News online is reporting that Amazon Prime has recently put up "trigger warnings" for those old Tom & Jerry cartoons from the 1940s and 50s. The following quotes from that article might also apply to some of DJ's comments:

The warning was attacked as "empty-headed" by cultural commentator and professor of sociology, Frank Furedi, who said it was a form of a "false piousness" and a type of censorship which "seems to be sweeping cultural life".

"We're reading history backwards, judging people in the past by our values," said Prof Furedi from the University of Kent.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

If judging people for holding onto imagery for a country that fought to enslave others is bad... fine, I'll be that. If saying "wow you people were trash for wanting to enslave others" in 2014 is bad, then I'll be that too.

for what it's worth: i also have never had a cup of coffee, and can count the times ive been in a coffee shop on one hand. 

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

What's the point in judging people who lived in the 19th century? Judgment implies rational, detached discernment.

Now, it's totally natural for us to feel and react with anger and disgust at images and stories of past evils. But then we have to remind ourselves that it was a different time and try to make some sense of the past. If we fixate on how trashy and evil everyone was in the past, historical analysis turns into a form of self-congratulatory piousness as Profoessor Furedi describes in the Tom & Jerry article (linked above).

Sorry that I wrongly pictured, in my mind, you as a college freshman waving his fist of righteousness in a coffeehouse. Maybe I was remembering what I was like as an insufferable college frosh. 

I gotta ask, though: How do you get through life without coffee?

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Buckeye_in_SEC_country's picture

You're entitled to your opinion all day DJ and I'm fine that... But I'm a southerner and I had nothing to do with slavery and I'm opposed to confederates flags too. When you use the term "southern boys" you're categorizing a multitude of people in a bunch of diff states. I'm sure you didn't mean to come off that way, but that's exactly how it came off. We have an idiot in my neighborhood who flies a rebel flag who is from Chicago, so it's not necessarily just southerners who are racist even tho the stigma of the Civil War seems that way. I live in a very nice neighborhood and the HOA sued them and forced them to take the flag down. Should I be viewed as racist because of an idiot neighbor? No... Just like I shouldn't be viewed as "holding onto imagery that fought to enslave others" because I live in the south. Just my 2 cents. 

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bsanders2519's picture

For most, the rebel flag isn't even close to representing slavery or a racist south. Also, I can't stand the over-simplification that people categorize the Civil War as a war based off of slavery. By the Grace of God I was born in Ohio, but unfortunately was relocated and subsequently educated in Wisconsin. Even in the deep north they taught us to read from actual history books outside of textbooks provided by the school. Slavery definitely became an issue in the forefront (not downplaying the severity of how horrid it was) but it simply was not even close to the reason it came down to a war. Robert E. Lee himself responded to slavery as a moral and political evil. Believe it or not, people in the South still fought for the Confederacy because they believed in states rights over anything else. Not everyone was a racist who "fought for the right to have slaves." I don't want to write a book here, just a pet peeve of mine to hear, see, read people over-simplify a very complex period of American History. For the record, I am against slavery and racism, but I am definitely against not fully understanding history and making broad statements in ignorance. 

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Zimmy07's picture

Slavery is the reason listed in the Declarations of Secession.  It's not personally why a lot of soldiers fought, I'm sure, but it's why the war was fought.

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bsanders2519's picture

Respectfully, please read a book on American Economic History from the founding of the nation to 1861 and then comment further with your take. 

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Zimmy07's picture

With all due respect, there is no need to go off on tangents.  Each State issued a document declaring it's Secession.  Here are selected parts of each:

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Mississippi:  Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

South Carolina:  We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

Alabama:  And as it is the desire and purpose of the people of Alabama to meet the slaveholding States of the South, who may approve such purpose, in order to frame a provisional as well as a permanent Government upon the principles of the Constitution of the United States,

Georgia:  The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

Texas:  The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the [federal territories] as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions [editor's note: "unconstitutional restrictions" means the prohibition on slavery], from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slaveholding States. . . .

Virginia:  The people of Virginia in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression, and the Federal Government having perverted said powers not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slave-holding States:

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bsanders2519's picture

No need to go off on tangents. 

However; for fear of going off on a tangent, I'll stick with my first piece of advice and say go read a book about the history of American economics and if you still come to the same conclusion that the civil war boiled down to slavery...God bless you.

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bsanders2519's picture

Since I got a -1 on this comment, let me simply pose the question: If the Civil War was about slavery, why did the North wait until 1863 to pass the Emancipation Proclamation and why did Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, Kansas, and Washington D.C. wait until 1865 to free all of their slaves? Seems to me if it was North vs. South, slave vs. non-slave, ALL the Northern states and territories would have abolished slavery prior to engaging in a conflict that revolved around it...no?

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Baroclinicity's picture

What about when half of a high school in my area flew rebel flags on flag day at school when it was designed for the current American flag?  There are still multitudes of moments like this that happen in the south that drum up the (right or wrong) broad generalizations of the south.  Never mind the people out wearing shirts with the rebel flag saying "it's a Southern thing...you wouldn't understand".  The stickers on the trucks.  Need I go on?

Im against generalizations and stereotypes.  But Southerners make it hard to chalk up these occurrences as "limited" given the frequency of them.  Many are not like that, but many still are.

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SOF_Buckeye's picture

I guess it's an epidemic of folks from the south doing that...what with all those green/white/red 'southern' flags being flown in California. 

I don't think anyone here is condoning slavery in any way. However, there's quite a few sanctimonious folks wanting to continue doing just that, by deciding rebel flags = pro slavery. You don't like the SEC, I get it, neither do I; but, wanting to lump those fans with a stigma of pro slavery and/or racism, is an over reach. How about we stick to football, or put up more intellectually stimulating dialogue like BSanders.

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Woody16111's picture

Slavery was not just an institution in the south. Many northern cities, viewed then and now, as "enlightened"  were some and still are some of the most racist/segregated cities in the country i.e. Chicago to this very day. So please don't put this forward as only a  "Southern" issue.

Many people in the south were troubled by the institution of slavery just as many people in the north were not.

And another thing, the Civil War was about more than the institution of slavery. The idea that a state could separate from the union when it disagreed with the federal government was one of the core issues at play - slavery was the by product, not to trivialize it at all as that issue alone would be worth fighting a war over, and runs contrary to the beliefs this republic was founded on, among them individual liberty and personal freedom.

Lincoln struggled with this as well, should the preservation of the union trump slavery, as the war was winding down. Many people just wanted the war to be over, and life back to normal. Lincoln and others, rightly so and thank God for it, saw an opportunity to correct a great moral wrong and pressed for the abolishing, once and for all, of slavery. That was a pivotal moment for your Republic, and one that took both northerners and southerners to accomplish.

And in fact, it was those supporting big government, a minority I might add, who used intimidation to control society. The issue isn't the southern people, if you think it is you totally miss the point, the issue is the belief in government as a protector of the people/society. That is what happened in the south, a hijacking of government and it's empowerment over the individual, to suppress a group of people who posed no threat to the government/society or the people in general.

The Confederate Flag is B.S. and shouldn't be used to promote anything, it's silly and the idiots waving that flag don't get it. However, that is a matter for them, I don't live there and I hope I never do, frankly.

Now back to football.

"There is nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."

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Buckeyeinsc's picture

DJ. Please stop bashing the South. Keep in mind about half of Ohio States fan base is out of state and most down here in the south 

Fighting the good fight in SEC country. "Our honor defend"

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Buckeye_in_SEC_country's picture

I wish I could upvote this a million times!!!! 

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partisan's picture

I didn't read his comments as bashing the south.  It was rightfully making fun of a culture that romanticizes treason and racism.  As long as Ole Miss continues to call themselves the Rebels, they are fair game.

Don't forget, this is a university where earlier this year someone hung a noose around a statue of James Meredith.  

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

From DJ's skully (above):

For whatever reasons, some southerners [but not northerners?] . . .

Shoutout to all the racists down in Mississippi . . . 

. . . one of my favorite images in college football is throngs of sad southern boys wearing bangs and pastel-colored clothes standing around idly as their football team gets waxed on national television.

Actually, the last line is hilarious, and I must admit to enjoyment at watching such scenes myself, but it does seem to me that DJ is sort of bashing the south. I'm one of the biggest anti-SECers on 11W, but it's possible to say nasty and cruel things about the SEC without unfairly characterizing about 1/6(?) of the U.S. population.

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Catch 5's picture

Well said, Fido.  It amazes me how much the South has all these prejudices against it (ironic use of word intentional) from actions taken 40 and 50 years ago.  My grandfathers were both strong racists by today's standards (as were probably more of yours than you would admit to), but were moderates by the standards of the 60's.  That aspect of our lives is gone - my kids interact and play with black (and other races) kids every day and the skin color is no different to them than hair color.  That's not to say racism is dead or that you can't find a news story here and there - but I've personally encountered as much of it out of the South as I do in it.  We ain't as backward as ya'll think us to be y'know?

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Catch 5, thanks. My grandfather, who grew up in Pennsylvania and lived most of his life in Ohio, certainly had strong racial prejudices, but was a very good man in many other respects. I can't say whether racism - in all its overt, but these days mostly veiled, manifestations - is worse, on the whole, in one region of the country or another. I do wonder sometimes, though, when some white dude who grew up in a small town in Kansas or New Hampshire, with a 99.7 percent white population, starts lecturing the south about racism.

Hey, Catch 5, now that I have your attention . . .  Would you please, please, please give me your theory on the "Alabama quarterback haircut" - a la John Parker Wilson (and a half dozen other Bama QBs from the 1990s and other eras). What's the cultural history behind that phenomenon? How and when and why did it become so popular for teen boys there? That should make a documentary about that hair style.

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Catch 5's picture

I wish I knew Fido.  I really didn't notice it until JPW but it has probably been around a lot longer (I've never been much for noticing fashion on anyone).  My main concern with Blake Sims as far as his race goes is only that he is limited in his "Bama Bangs" production because of racial genes.  Perhaps he'll usher in a new era in Bama hair fashion.  

Of course, there has been some notable success with it ...

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Zimmy07's picture

I live in the South & it's not 40 and 50 years ago.  It's right fricking now.

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bsanders2519's picture

A study (forgive me no link) recently showed some of the most racist cities in the country are in New England and the top was Chicago...all above the Mason Dixon. Racism is not a regional thing, and doesn't just exist in the south.

Also...our founding fathers were pretty big on treason, wouldn't have the good ole USofA without it,so Im pretty sure every history book you've ever read about the founding of this country romanticized treason. Without treason, we don't have a country. 

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Catch 5's picture

History is written by the victorious.  That is the difference between being a "gang of treasonous scumbags" and "freedom fighters" or patriots.  You have to win to be seen in a favorable light.

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bsanders2519's picture

Couldn't agree with you more there, brilliant statement. 

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robobuck's picture

Our great country was born out of treason and rebellion. I suggest showing more respect to those who still value such things.

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gm3jones's picture

The southern flag 'Dixie' is not a symbol of racism. It is a way of expressing southern pride and a love of where you live.

I wonder if the Redskins tried that tactit?

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elitesmithie's picture

I would take Liberals more seriously if there was an equal outcry about changing the NAACP's name since both instututions are old and use outdated and racist names. Unless Colored is still cool....?

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fear_the_nut70's picture

My suggestion to you is that you review the posting policy before hitting the enter button on your key board.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Cavluv23's picture

wow ... Incorrect .... I've been stationed in the great state of Mississpi ....for 3 years now ... Worst 3  years of my life .... Been called the N word 7 times ... Had my Indian wife who is Hindu ... Called a Muslim bomber at wall mart ....... Got ran up on by the KKK on Memorial Day 2013 and my military service was the only thing that saved us apparently patriotism trumps racism.... They where in a 1990 Chevy truck with the confederate flag painted on the hood ...... And there's 16 chapters of the KKK in Mississpi ... You can identify there buildings by the confederate flags they fly ... As military we learn this when they put out the off limits listings for military personal .... I clearly don't have the same joyful experience down here that you do .... Anyways this isn't the forum for this type of discussion ... But I just couldn't let you ride with that statement .... Sorry I'm done ....oh and I'm speaking on Mississpi not the south in general ...

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Buckeyeinsc's picture

Wow yah ok... Because one state is the entire south right? Right?! No! I'm tired of the bullshit of us getting run on. How about when I go into north charleston and get called kracker and told to leave or else I'd be shot. I'm military too and I was in uniform. It wasn't about to save me

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BlockO's picture

Dude your post is just stupid! I'm white but I clearly understand that there is no such thing as racism against whites. Like it or not, we have a certain power and privilege that other races do not have. Racism is a term that is loosely substituted for prejudice and should not be so. Yes everyone has biases and prejudices against others that are different, but racism takes it further.
Racism is the use of power and privilege to oppress another set of people. When have blacks ever had that sort of power to oppress whites? The issue is that most of our people want to find a way to rid ourselves from a past riddled with the shameful treatment of others, but the reality is we just can't do it. For humanity to heal as a whole we must be truly honest about the role in which we play in the hurt of others. This is why countless victims of color are terrorized on a daily basis- because we don't want to see the evil in our society.

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Jeeves's picture

What a heaping load of bull#%^*.  It frightens me that someone can preach this vitriol and hatred as fact. I only hope that you are an undergrad somewhere spouting nonsense inculcated by some humanities professor and not an adult with real responsibilities.  

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BlockO's picture

What is hatred is to sit silent when others are treated poorly. The fact that you are pissed at my comment proves my point that many fail to ignore the part they play in the hurt of others. Love is not being a silent participant in the mistreatment of others.

"faith seeking understanding” (fides quaerens intellectum)

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FloridaBuck's picture

Block, this isn't really the best place for discussions about subjective definitions of racism. But I will go out on a limb and assume you are fairly young. Early twenties or even 18 or 19 right?  Your views need some additional life experience. "White people" (whatever the hell that is actually defined as) aren't the only ones who treat other groups of human beings poorly. Sadly, there shit tons of examples all over the world of ethnic violence. I know it's popular in today's media, but it's not always the incredibly scary and evil Caucasian Male traveling around committing atrocities everywhere. 

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BlockO's picture

The larger point I am trying to make is that those who are privileged have a hard time accepting the role they play in the mistreatment of others. I.e sexism, classism, racism, etc....But we can agree that this discussion does skirt the line in regard to 11w policy.

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SOF_Buckeye's picture

Racism: the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Prejudice,:discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

You can use whatever social definition you want, but racism is alive and well in each and every skin color. So find someone else to feed that line of crap to.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Y'all must've missed the part where I used the word "some." As in, not all, or even a majority. Definitely did not bash the entire South.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

One can bash the south without bashing the entire south and one can bash southerners without bashing every southerner, or a majority thereof.

For example, whenever I want to say or write unkind things about a particular ideological movement, I simply slap "some" in front of my statements and, if anyone calls me on it, I point back at the "some."

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

You are a master of language, Fido.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

You forgot the italics.

I'm as close to being a master of language as I am to being a master of my domain.

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CALPOPPY's picture

You should work with He-Man. Then you could be a Master of the Universe.

Memento mori

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BuckeyeGroove's picture

I'm going with the next obvious choice here. I just happen to be an excellent fisherman. You might say that I am a Master Baiter...............

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rekrul's picture

Why is it when I read the part of Wunderboy I thought about making it in to a DirecTV commercial...

When there is nothing on TV, you drink with Buddies.

Then you and your buddies decide to go to the OSU Game.

Before the game you and your buddies make a bet for you to run on the field during the game.

When you run onto the field you get slammed by an OSU linebacker alum, aka Strength Staff, you get embarrassed and loose your scholarship

Don't run on the field and get slammed by an EX OSU Linebacker on national television and loose your Scholarship, order DirectTV.

Out Work, Out Think, Out Play!!!

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ohiobobg's picture

Can only UV once, dammit!

"you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning"

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Kurt's picture

DJ, please don't write y'all, it makes my brain hurt.  (I'm going to go take a shower now that I had to write it)

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

I use y'all in everyday speaking, and the y'alls will continue until the morale improves!!!!!!!!!!!

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Unky Buck's picture

If you start saying "yins", I'm walking away...

"Everything you see on the internet is true." - Abraham Lincoln

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Oyster's picture

Jeet a good breakfast after your run this morning, Unky?

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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Unky Buck's picture

Jeet a good breakfast...

Not funny!

And are you stalking me?

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Oyster's picture

No, why?

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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CALPOPPY's picture

And are you stalking me?

Unky, is Oyster your boss?

Memento mori

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Unky Buck's picture

No, he's JTF's boss. We're just co-hijackers.

"Everything you see on the internet is true." - Abraham Lincoln

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Oyster's picture

Wuhjeet for lunch today, Unky?

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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Unky Buck's picture

Nunya bizness

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Oyster's picture

Nunya bizness

That's worse than Jeet. 

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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robobuck's picture

Jeet is an Indian restaurant near Wright State in Fairborn

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bedheadjc's picture

"You'ins", and "crick" were used by my Grandparents...in CANTON.

Hillbilly: It's everywhere.

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Oyster's picture

I got a crick that runs through my back 40.  Sometimes the bridge warshes away if it rains too hard and we hafta go get it.  And this is in Central Ahia.

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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ohiobobg's picture

My understanding is that "yall" is the singular form. The proper plural form is "all yall".

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buckeyeradar's picture

FYI y'all is singular. All y'all is plural.  Y'all need to get off the PC wagon it's the Washington Redskins; since we went way way off the subject.

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Catch 5's picture

This is a little off-topic, but how is it wrong to have an NFL team called the "Redskins" because it supposedly ridicules Native Americans - yet also wrong to have a college teams named "Rebels" because it glorifies a troubled history?  I really wish the media would make up its mind about what to get upset about.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

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Furious George 27's picture

Rebels is just stupid on so many levels. First off they wanted to keep their lifestyle which included slavery that alone makes it stupid. And don't forget the South lost the war so in essence they are rooting for a treasonous racist loser not a great combo in a university mascot. I am all for celebrating the past, but in this instance with COL Reb it's a complete swing and a miss. Now if they went with the admiral  Akbar mascot I am down for that.

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree that the Rebels branding/mascot/iconography is stupid, but to be fair, a lot of college sports programs are named after entities that eventually got militarily, economically, demographically devastated - Spartans, Seminoles, Aztecs, Pirates/Buccaneers, Chippewas. Crusaders, Sioux, etc.  

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Furious George 27's picture

Yes, I edited it. Newborn at home lack of focus etc... I promise to step up my posting. UV for you 

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Well, parse this one together, Catch Five.

Washington DC's football team is a literal racial slur. That's bad.

Ole Miss' football team is named after a gang of treasonous scumbags who killed American troops and fought for the right to enslave other human beings. Also bad.

That is how it works... bad things are labeled bad.

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Catch 5's picture

When did "Redskins" become this horrible slur?  By that standard, is "Rebels" not considered a slur for those that fought for the South?  I get it: The South wanted slavery to continue and that is the worst thing this country has ever done - but it wasn't the only thing driving the Civil War, but slavery was (a big) part of it and I guess that trumps everything else to the point that anything else doesn't matter anymore and therefore anyone who so much as breathes anything positive about anything from that era or those people are therefore racists and shall not be tolerated.  

But back to my question:  Redskins (and Seminoles, Indians, Braves, etc.) are criticized because using them as mascots is thought to be demeaning to the subjects - however when Col. Reb is the mascot, it is seen as glorifying the symbol that many associate only with the sins of the past.  So which is it - is a mascot demeaning the subject or glorifying it?

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Unky Buck's picture

Redskins (and Seminoles, Indians, Braves, etc.) are criticized because using them as mascots is thought to be demeaning to the subjects - however when Col. Reb is the mascot, it is seen as glorifying the symbol that many associate only with the sins of the past.

You literally answered your own question. It's doing both but neither in a good way.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture
lol

Also worth noting... the Rebels had the choice of being rebels, and Colonel Reb, although horrible, isn't racial minstrelsy.

This is a horrible false equivalence, and if you can't see that, Catch, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Namaste. 

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ohiobobg's picture

Google "Miami of Ohio".

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Squirrel Master's picture

uh, Redskins is a horrible slur! It has always been a horrible slur. Activists (and some native american tribes) have been fighting for the name change for decades. Just because the media decided to jump on it (and Dan Snyder) in the past 5 years doesn't mean the fight to remove that name is only been recent.

Redskins is a slur. Seminoles is a tribal name. Not really a slur. Indians and Braves are a description, such as Black. Redskin is the equivalent to the N word.

I personally don't hate the word Rebels because even though it is the name for a horrible group of people, its not really a slur towards anyone. Just an ugly history.

so for me, Rebels can stay if they want but Washington needs to change it now!

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Catch 5's picture

To me, Redskins is the more descriptive word, no?  Indians is a name Columbus gave the natives because he thought he was on the other side of the planet, but we let that one stick around because we didn't want to bother correcting ourselves I guess.  That seems more offensive to me:  calling someone something they clearly are not.  Then again, PC is a subject I'm better off staying away from - as I'd never once (before the recent hoopla) considered Redskins to be a slur, nor had I ever used it with malice intent.  

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Squirrel Master wrote:

Redskins . . . has always been a horrible slur. 

Maybe by "always" you meant "for a long time," however:

Smithsonian Institution senior linguist Ives Goddard spent seven months researching its history and concluded that "redskin" was first used by Native Americans in the 18th century to distinguish themselves from the white "other" encroaching on their lands and culture.

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buckeyeradar's picture

On my trip to the grand canyon this year I stopped in the middle of no where to get gas at the only place in no where to get gas. There were three pick up trucks parked together in the parking lot.  All three were owned by native Americans.  Two trucks had Washington Redskins decals and the other the K.C. Chiefs.  I was stunned so I asked them why the decals.  They said that they supported their teams and did not feel that it was derogatory in way toward them.  They said they were proud.  No where is in Az.

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bsanders2519's picture

Um...they were ALL American troops...was George Washington also a treasonous scumbag that fought for the right to enslave other human beings? Seems like that would be your definition for most of the founding fathers as well. Or could it be you are just using a terribly ignorant over-simplification involving one of the most complex periods touching an extremely dark and complicated part of America's past? I recommend reading books cover to cover and not just picking up Cliff notes when forming opinions on History. 

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J.Mo's picture

Can we remove Illinois from the Illibuck and make that a trophy between the winner of Ohio State and Maryland? Maybe rename it to the Marybuck?

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UpIrons's picture

I like that but I really just want to beat Maryland because I don't want them having any sort of grave/headstone on their campus with tOSU on it!

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dubjayfootball90's picture

That low res photo is gold.

On a serious note, I highly recommend everyone taking a half hour to read the wmd 'Trial by Twitter'. Wow. What a morning read. I had tears at the end. Disgusting people. I don't want to ruin the story and, this may be past due, but RIP Skylar. Thoughts and prayers with the Neese family.

What a story.

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The Butler's picture

Wow! What a story! Well worth the time invested to read. 

 

 

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chirobuck's picture

I'm glad I read it, but man.......that was hard to read

 

^ best post ever ^

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shadybuck's picture

Agree, well worth the read, extremely sad but I couldn't stop reading it, even though I'm trying to do a little bit of work.  Something like this should never happen but at least those teenage girls left their web of lies published on the internet, and it didn't take a rocket scientist to unravel their story.

RIP Skylar

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allinosu's picture

That flag is used all the time in the south as a rallying point of racism. I don't know where you live to get your stats but it was my experience living for extended periods that it was 90% the other way. Even in their churches there was little to no mixture. The number of confederate flags in back windows of pickup trucks with racist bumper stickers were everywhere. I understand you feel in your heart that's not the case because you probably are a good person and don't feel that way yourself but there is a significant part of the population that cling to that flag because they don't want compromise what they were taught from generation to generation. It might as well be a swastika at least for them.

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Buckeyeinsc's picture

The fact remains this is a website for ohio state fans to gather and talk about ohio state. Let's keep it that way and leave everything else out.

Fighting the good fight in SEC country. "Our honor defend"

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allinosu's picture

You are right about the site but you got your say. I evened it up for you.

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Buckeyeinsc's picture

Love how I get down voted for that

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allinosu's picture

I promise you that wasn't me. I was trying to be respectful with my opinion.

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FunZone's picture

I enjoy Ole Miss getting slammed on the football field and in the courtroom. They have no history that should be glorified.

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southbuc's picture

ok so the south was built on slavery and the north on the slave like treatment of immigrants and the whole country by genocide of the natives. We all have things to be ashamed of in our past. Let's move on now and talk about OSU football and meshitagain's self genocide. 

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FunZone's picture

75% of my family originated from the South. I love the South. It's a shame that vocal minorities can't stop using symbols of the past that end up mislabeling the region as a whole. 

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Woody16111's picture

I have little to no sympathy for the WunderBoy however it shines a light on the new national past time which is to not only punish people but destroy them.

Running out onto a football field like that is stupid, and you never know what the person intentions are, just ask Monica Seles. But once the facts are known and last I checked WunderBoy didn't have a weapon, but most likely was just drunk, that is when you evaluate a punishment.

This seems a bit premature, especially since he hasn't been found guilty of anything. We do have due process and people are innocent until proven guilty, regardless what YouTube or social media thinks.

I would hate to see a guy's life ruined over something like this, especially if there was no intent to harm.

I don't have a problem with the scholarship being pulled so long as he has a chance to earn it back. I think some sort of academic punishment is in order up to and including a semester suspension.

We all have to be careful not to fall into the "Do Gooder" camp. All of us have done stupid things, even dumber than WunderBoy but it doesn't make it any better since we didn't get caught.

"There is nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."

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Bucksfan's picture

I would hate to see a guy's life ruined over something like this, especially if there was no intent to harm.

He is a senior.  His life is hardly ruined if he now has to pay tuition and find an apartment for the rest of the year.  He's currently forking over a ton of money to a high-end lawyer to try to get the case dropped using fancy delay tactics.  He's not being destroyed.  We kicked kids out of our fraternity for pulling pranks far less harmless than this.  Evans is a fraternity.  There are rules regarding good standing that existed before he decided to run out on the field.  Cause and effect.  That's all it is.  There are consequences for actions, and discipline is underrated.

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Oyster's picture

I would venture that the backlash and loss of scholarship are due to getting a lawyer, pleading not guilty and asking for a trial.  All for a misdemeanor, which would be over with a simple fine being paid.  Admit you were wrong, pay your fine and have a great story to tell 10 years from now

"Those two, they're ruining this war, for all of us!"  MAJ Houlihan, when she was whining about Hawkeye and Trapper because they were simply having fun.

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jhart's picture

I have little to no sympathy for the WunderBoy however it shines a light on the new national past time which is to not only punish people but destroy them.

Couldn't agree more.

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KevinJ's picture

I'm hoping UM can pull a ND and continue their run of mediocrity, Lou Holts has been gone since 1996 let that sink in for a moment.

Charlie Weis is free to coach where ever he wants to now, coincidence I think not

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buckeye_chick's picture

I have heard Urban say that he wishes he had Virginia Tech to do over again.

He will...next September in Blacksburg. My guess is that he's going to put everything he has into that game, and he's going to step on some turkey throats along the way. And I will love every second of it.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

There have only been two games since UFM arrived that I thought he was obviously out coached (the other MSU which we don' need to speak about any more).  I guess I feel very fortunate to have that guy on our sidelines as some programs get out coached on a weekly basis.
 

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Hopefully Alabama puts a mudhole in them, because one of my favorite images in college football is throngs of sad southern boys wearing bangs and pastel-colored clothes standing around idly as their football team gets waxed on national television.

I love this. Despite all the nonsense we've had jammed down our throats about the SEC, I can't bring myself to hating Alabama. Sure their fanbase is of the tree poisoning variety of crazy but from a football standpoint, its hard not to respect what they do. Ole Miss on the other hand needs their comeuppance. I don't know if I've ever cared about an SEC game that much but I really, really really want Alabama to leave Ole Miss barely breathing in the middle of some ditch in Mississippi.

Go get em Nick.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Sorry for the bold.

Proudly dispensing unbridled arrogance since 1983.

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BeatTTUN's picture

What has 2 eyes and can't see?

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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CALPOPPY's picture

A lunar moth?

Memento mori

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BeatTTUN's picture

mIchIgan
 

just a play on the old question: What has 4 eyes and can't see?

Mississippi

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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CALPOPPY's picture

Nice. But only one up vote to give.

Memento mori

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

Ole Miss = Washington Redskins

Bud Foster = Master motivator and a poor trash talker since he has only known losing after us, can't wait until we prove him wrong next year

Wunder = Definitely an anti-wunderkind, and a limping Bio-neural Mechanical Engineering Malfunction

DJ = Skull Session candyman

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buckeyepastor's picture

Hopefully our scout unit does a better job simulating Stefon Diggs than they did Cincy's receivers.   Meyer flatly suggested earlier this week that our secondary seemed to do just fine with the press coverage when facing our own, but not facing UC.    

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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chirobuck's picture

VT is so screwed next year......lets make sure we save that quote

 

^ best post ever ^

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Unky Buck's picture

That story about those girls in West Virginia...good god...speechless.

"Everything you see on the internet is true." - Abraham Lincoln

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rosenbuck's picture

Yeah, I have a feeling that was too long for most to read.  But my god that's horrifying. I thought my middle/high school experience was rough enough, and I only missed their "generation" by 10 years.  It's something you even see here sometimes (albeit in far, far, far smaller and more trivial doses), people just lack empathy anymore and its seeping out from the internet into real life.  That's probably the scariest part.

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Unky Buck's picture

I've been on the side that the likes of Twitter and other social networking sites have helped promote a lack of appreciation for proper grammar and spelling. It's not that we're all perfect with it but there is certainly a disconnect with this younger generation. They are being prompted to constantly abbreviate or misspell words on purpose so that it can be contained within a small window. I think we can take it a few steps further and claim that it's also doing exactly what this article stated that it's doing: creating a lack of social skills and preventing proper psychological development of young kids. This is definitely Exhibit A to us with it front and center, but, as stated in the article, there are clearly other cases of this happening as well. With an ever increasing need/dependence for technology, assuming that it's not worth fighting it, how do we develop ways to promote social skills among kids? I think that question needs to be answered much sooner than most people want to believe.

"Everything you see on the internet is true." - Abraham Lincoln

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rosenbuck's picture

I couldn't agree more.  I was an English major and Twitter drives me nuts in that regard, but I even notice my own social skills deteriorating sometimes.  I loved Mike Leach's comments on this topic. Even though he took it to hyperbolic levels, I'm sad to say I can see it getting to that point if we don't take active measures to keep kids plugged into the real world and not just technology.

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Unky Buck's picture

Yeah, it drives me nuts too. I actually will type out all words that can be typed out on it. I won't abbreviate or spell incorrectly just to get it within a 140 character limit. A tweet can always be continued if need be or just figure a way to say what you need within less space without letting the spelling and grammar suffer. It's a way for me to stay on top of being grammatically correct and not letting it slip by the wayside. 

"Everything you see on the internet is true." - Abraham Lincoln

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FLAMikey's picture

"Shoutout to all the racists down in Mississippi, who struggle every weekend to balance their love of Ole Miss football with their hatred of black people."

DJ: You might want to visit Mississippi before spewing such inflammatory nonsense. You would see quite a few black people there, but you wouldn't see any more hatred of them than you'd see in Ohio.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

What does seeing black people have to do with anything? I'll admit — Ohio, like America, has a lot of racist elements — but to think it's in the same league as Mississippi is ridiculous. Mississippi has been named most racist state a number of times. Say what you will, but you'll never see Ohio topping any of those lists or read articles about Ohio State struggling to remove rebel imagery.

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FLAMikey's picture

Mississippi has the highest percentage of black people (38%) of any state, and the state has the largest number of black elected officials. Predictably, there will be some people who resent this. -No different than some people resenting the numbers/influence of Hispanics in California. To imply that white people in Mississippi have some unique level of hatred toward blacks is fallacy, as is the assertion that Ole Miss fans reluctance to give up certain traditions is rooted in hatred of black people.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Your passion has convinced me: there are no racists in Mississippi, and certainly none for cheering for the Ole Miss football team. God bless America, and most importantly, Mississippi... where there are no racists.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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FLAMikey's picture

As you well know, I didn't say that there are no racists in Mississippi. My assertion is that there is no concentration of hatred of black people among Ole Miss fans. There are racists in every state, and they come in all colors.

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Scott's picture

Shoutout to all the racists down in Mississippi, who struggle every weekend to balance their love of Ole Miss football with their hatred of black people. 

I love you, DJ.

Class of 2008

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Seattle Linga's picture

Cannot get enough of the new look Cav's - it's almost unbelievable how much talent, experience and depth we have going forward.

The off season bites !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

Seattle Sounders 2019 MLS Champions

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rosenbuck's picture

Looks like a heatle fan docked ya. +1 for a bright future in Cleveland.

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lwitters's picture

That's a terrible life-choice life choice

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ohiobobg's picture

The most stunning thing I've read all year was that TTUN passed on Kevin Sumlin for a *ichigan Man. They deserve all the pain they're getting just for that. Not sure who they think is available or willing now. 

What sucks is that they're dragging the rest of the B1G down with them. The press is laughing at OSU because ND put 31-0 ass-whupping on them. I'm tired of it.

"you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning"

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JJHerman's picture

Then don't read it. Michigan sucking is the greatest thing ever. To think otherwise is to be brainwashed.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Yeah, I am squarely in this camp.  I have never heard of Dallas Cowboy fans rooting for Washington because they are in the same division.  I want Michigan to go 0-12 every year and for skunk weasel fans to become so distraught they decide to take up needle point on Saturdays in the fall instead of watching football. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I agree not hiring Sumlin was a mistake, but I think it is a fair question to ask, isn't this a bit of hind sight being 20-20?  Hoke had the best season Ball State ever had and was tuning SDSU around.  Summlin was showing a ton of promise, but honestly, much of his track record was cemented at A&M (and in large part because of one football player who will go nameless).  I don't want my comments to be misunderstood, Summlin is clearly the better coach.  I just wonder how obvious that was 3 years ago.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Klytus21's picture

Good thing WunderBoy didn't run onto the field at a Florida or FSU game with Stand Your Ground laws.

NJBuck

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JoeAndSo's picture

I love Bosa, the guy is pretty much pure energy. case and point..

And that was just on a pass rush stopped by a false start.

"¯\_(ツ)_/¯"  - Joey Bosa

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WrightBuckeye's picture

Hopefully Alabama puts a mudhole in them, because one of my favorite images in college football is throngs of sad southern boys wearing bangs and pastel-colored clothes standing around idly as their football team gets waxed on national television.

And one of my least favorite images in college football is throngs of ecstatic southern boys wearing bangs and houndstooth apparel watching their team schlack an overhyped opponent. Is there anyway both teams could lose?  

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fear_the_nut70's picture

What fans? Most of them are gone midway through the third quarter (same phenomenon in Ann Arbor, but for a completely different reason).
 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Shangheyed's picture

Even as amazing as Skullies are... this one was a great one.  Thanks indeed.

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Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

As far as Wunder boy is concerned....when you lose a scholarship like that, do you lose the entire payment towards college from Freshmen - Senior year?? Or just what was left of your schooling? If you lose it all, then do you have to pay back what you've already accomplished?

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fear_the_nut70's picture

The Mears thing strikes me as a guy protesting who thinks like a fan (because that is what he is).  I don't doubt that people high up in the administration root very hard for UM to beat OSU on gameday, but their perspective is much different than that of the average fan.  They worry about revenue covering other programs, budgets, costs, etc.  That's why you will never see them standing outside of the Big House chasing away paying customers clad in Ohio State stuff.  So, protesting while wearing Ohio State gear doesn't have the same effect of, say, cancelling season tickets or not showing up for the game.  That is what really matters to them...

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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JBDizzle's picture

Two best friends story... eeek

Ryan day is the new Ohio State head coach.. and I'm okay with that.

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shaggybuckeye's picture

it's an interesting stray for Ohio State's skill guys to catch.

That's fine if they can catch it...

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Zimmy07's picture

Hopefully Alabama puts a mudhole in them, because one of my favorite images in college football is throngs of sad southern boys wearing bangs and pastel-colored clothes standing around idly as their football team gets waxed on national television.

I'm hoping Mississippi wins & then whatever NCAA violations investigation for football & other sports at Ole Miss that is going on now blows up shortly afterwards.

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OSUCLAY519's picture

I think Bosa will stay for his senior year if his little brother commits to Ohio State, because they seem pretty tight and they would like to play together for one year.

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Bleeding-Scarlet-Grey's picture

Even if ole miss loses they will only drop one spot

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For all of those who think Grey is wrong~ Dictionary

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Brutus's picture

Almost 250 posts for a somewhat inflammatory Skull Session, though no more so than usual by DJ standards...on a Thursday?! I thought for sure this had to have something to do with whether it's appropriate to boo players, or who's to blame for the bad defense, or why Rod Smith doesn't get more carries, or that recruit we're going after who gets a thread on this site every time he farts, or "take a walk around the block", or whether it's ok to post boob gifs. Nope. None of that.  Just killing time until Maryland I guess. Nevertheless, many interesting discussions above, most of which don't really belong here but DJ opened them can of worms, highlighted by a cameo of Ron Jeremy. Damn I love this site.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

it is the best

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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puff daddy's picture

Thanks for the southern heritage history lesson to all the participants! The Rebs can kiss my white ass.

Loved the Direct TV ad pitch--------You have a future brother.

knucklehead

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