Five Things: Porous Offensive Line, Shoddy Special Teams and Well-Prepared Hokies Spell Doom

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cw823's picture

Agree with everything above.  Spot on.

Barrett is the right guy for the job, he's just not getting any help.

Anyone want to volunteer to help create a resume for Tom Herman that we can start mailing to other schools?

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Doc's picture

He's a Mensa member....  That's all I got.

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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DefendYoungstown's picture

Anyone want to volunteer to help create a resume for Tom Herman that we can start mailing to other schools?

I will type it up, lets get a conference call together to determine how we make him sound like the genius he is.

800-345-6678  5356576*  - 5pm EST I'll activate the call

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TennBuck16's picture

Everything about this article is just spot on. My god the play calling all in all is what killed us. 

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Ya know, the one thing I will say about last night is this - 

The better team with the most talent did not win this game. The better-coached, more prepared, focused, and disciplined team did. Frequently in football, that's what matters.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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RedStorm45's picture

So much for all that recruiting. Or is it so much for that great coaching. Or is it both?

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BeijingBucks's picture

I personally feel everyone is forgetting just how short a time this whole crew has been together.  I mean Ash has just had his 2nd start with the Bucks bringing a new scheme to new players and gelling with a new head coach.  The O Line is what always happens when you have an entire position group leave... green.

I for one see the Bucks took their out coached out schemed butts out there in the 4th quarter tied up and slipped at the end.  The ceiling on this team though is very very high.  If Brax really does come back next year by then I feel people will actually know their assignments, RBs and WRs will actually know who they are supposed to block (and hopefully be given a release route over the middle if they are a TE), we will actually see a bubble screen run on the field by the Bucks for a change and everyone can just calm the F$#@ down.

Yesterday with Brax playing would have likely been a different story.  Swagger and confidence is developed over time.  This is why Seniors are so important to establish a 'neversaydie' attitude.

Perhaps now we can get over the pressure of having to win it all and just get back to enjoying whatever amazing feats these kids come up with on a weekly basis.  All of our playmakers are seemingly underclassmen.  We are poised to have a great year of growth.  Frankly, considering what a joke the B1G was last weekend... Buckeyes are still a favourite to take the B1G I'm thinking

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RedStorm45's picture

3rd down defense sucked. 3rd down offense sucked. Story of the game.

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ibuck's picture

1st down offense didn't inspire either. 

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HYDEYOKIDS's picture

Most frustrating thing is this game was very winnable, about half and half VT playing well and us getting in our own way. Despite all the panic and negativity I'm still optimistic that this team will grow. I would predict at this point a 9-3 season with a solid chance at 10-2. Offense has some big issues but the Special teams issues I think were more fluke than will be a recurring problem.

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2002osubuck's picture

Totally agree. Just look at the write up, missed FGs and a dropped TD pass account for 10 pts, 6 at least. Barrett drove us down the field on all those occasions and other players didn't finish. If Barrett wasn't playing, I honestly think it would've been worse.

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TheToledoBuckeye's picture

Spot on write up. I still have a lot of confidence in JT. I thought he played well given the circumstances. The play calling was terrible and we had absolutely no run game. This is a young team that has some growing up to do. In time I think they will be fine but right now they have to sure up the offensive line and pound the ball up the middle. Hopefully we can get both the offense and defense some confidence next weekend against Kent State. Gotta keep the faith!

Go Bucks!

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ibuck's picture

Ohio State's reputation is a team that can't really pass successfully—except on a few occasions, low-percentage deep routes.  And that seems to be keeping top receivers from choosing OSU.

Fans and coaches want to run the ball inside, but it seems OSU doesn't have the OL and RBs to do that.  The Buckeyes need to think beyond the box, because there are 8 or more defenders there.

The Buckeyes need to burn opponents in the passing game, especially to TE or RB, on slants, screens, crossing patterns, etc.  Until they can do it, we're going to see opponents stuff the box—and runs into it.

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HYDEYOKIDS's picture

I don't think our defense was the main problem. I still think we can become a very good defense team this season. Herman is the one who should be under fire.

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chicagobuckeye's picture

Giving up 28 defensive points doesn't help...

What if you don't hear YOLO anymore because everyone who use to say it died?

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TheBadOwl's picture

Last year the defense gave up some easy yards and wide open receivers. We had a few busted coverages last night, but for the most part we made them earn it last night. Brewer is a stud. I'm not even mad at the defense.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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HYDEYOKIDS's picture

It doesn't but 21 came in the first half only 7 in the second. It is not where we want it but the guys are learning a completely new scheme from no scheme last year. As long as the defense continues to progress and get better throughout the season I think we will be ok in that department. The offense is the most concerning aspect of our game right now.

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

1) What BadOwl said. Unlike last year, nothing was given away last night. The D was all over them all night long. Brewer played lights out and their scoring drives started at their 35, 39, 42, and OSU's 43.

2) What Hydeyokids said. Did I mention the secondary has 5 SO/RS FR in the 2-deep, three of whom are starters, in the 2nd game of the season? This will be a great D and, with this OL, the team will go as far as this D carries it. And I'm betting that will be pretty far.

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chicagobuckeye's picture

I agree, but I think completely blaming one side of the ball vs the other is asinine. The #blameherman or #firefickell people completely ignore the other side of the ball. If you score only 21 points can you win a game? Sure but it's not the easiest thing to do. If you give up 28 points defensively can you win a game? Sure but again it's not as likely. I think the defense definately played better and Brewer had a good game, but just as much as the play calling sucked, the 3rd and long conversions given up hurt just as much. 

What if you don't hear YOLO anymore because everyone who use to say it died?

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

You win as a team and you lose as a team. A defense shares the blame unless it gives up 0 points, in which case it's hard to lose. But I think if you asked who did their job and who didn't, the reasonable answer is that the D did almost everything that you could reasonably ask, especially given the incredibly inexperienced secondary. On the other hand, offense had WAY too many 3-and-outs and, together with the kicking team, left at least 10 points on the field, and that's if you count a 40-yard FG as no gimme, which I think you should. But even there I'm not saying someone really dropped the ball. The OL is made up of inexperienced guys who mostly should be career backups, given their talent level. It's fine to insert one of those guys into your OL if you have to, but you can't have a functioning line made up of them. Barrett is a gifted QB with a bright future, but it's his second college game, and he's playing it with THAT line. The RBs have to run behind that line. Wilson, Marshall, the receivers all have to get the ball from that QB behind that line in order to do something.

I can't even blame the coaches for their preparation or play calling. These are the plays you call with this line and this QB. And you play this soft in the secondary when it's made up almost entirely of guys making their first, second, or third career start and didn't have any substantial PT before that. It doesn't matter how talented those guys are. The problem goes back to recruiting OL, QB, DB, and to some extent LB during 2010-2012. You can't have an RS freshman and Cardale Jones as your only options when your injury-prone star QB goes down. This is what you get.

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HYDEYOKIDS's picture

Agree. I am not saying only the offense was to blame, but I feel like some people were expecting an MSU defense right out of the start of the season. The pass defense is probably mediocre right now which is a big step up from bad. As long as they continue to improve you can't ask for much more. Chris Ash needs to be given the whole season to see what he can accomplish.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

I don't want to see Kyle Clifton anymore. That was a gigantic, inexcusable buzzkill.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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Tim's picture

Agreed, clearly Nuernberger hasn't set the world on fire, but two weeks in a row of kickoffs out of bounds is not acceptable. 

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36buck's picture

bench grant for mcmillan.  don't sit him for a stiff vet like we did with bell last year.

do we have a TE?  why do we bother rercuit them?

why can't our kicker put a KO 5 deep into the endzone?

why can't meyer recuit a elite qb?  not blaming barrett for last night.  just a question.  sorry but collier and burrow do nothing for me.

where is the med pass game?  one slant all night. it goes for a td.

any reason c. smith should not be benched for the year? seriously.

herman does nothing for me.

where was the press coverage.  every other throw guys were wide open uncovered?  don't get it.

man I miss Tress.  guy got royally screwed and now they are going to pay players.  what a freaking hose job he got.

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Phillips.449's picture

I am honestly wondering if they are purposefully kicking shorter kickoffs with the 25 yard-line now being where they get possession for touchbacks.  I feel like they were doing that a lot last year too, but I may be wrong.

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tressel12's picture

If you're going to purposefully kick the ball short you sure as hell better not give them 10 free yards by kicking it out of bounds ESPECIALLY after your offense makes a big play by putting the ball in the end zone. I'm a big believer in momentum which I feelwe had prior to this miscue. Second time it's happened in two weeks and it is just simply inexcusable..........

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D-Day0043's picture

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Meyer turn over special teams to Coombs?

It was clear that putting the return on wasn't working because VT's gunner was 7 yards ahead of our guys on every punt. Yet they kept on doing it.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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cal3713's picture

You are correct.  Meyer has the kicker put it in the corner around the 5 yard line and we bunch up our coverage so that they almost totally ignore the other half of field.

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HeuermanTheFireman's picture

This is exactly what they are trying to do.

The person responsible for toes clearly wanted you to stub them.

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741's picture

It's a terrible strategy, with measurably poor results. Kick the goddam ball out of the back of the endzone and play defense.

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HYDEYOKIDS's picture

It worked very well last year on special teams. It forces them to take it and we usually got them inside the 25 and sometimes inside the 20. If your special teams are good you can take the risk and put the opposing team in worse field position. I think this was a fluky game for special teams, I expect them to be much better.

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741's picture

I'm not sure I agree with that. It's easily quantified if someone has access to the stats. Can one of the 11W house nerds crunch the numbers for us and render a factual verdict? (I keed.)

But seriously, in my mental reckoning of this strategy since Urban arrived (including both 2012 and 2013, and what little we've seen thus far this year) is the potential rewards do not stack up well against the actual outcome.

I will concede that last year it worked better than 2012.

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HYDEYOKIDS's picture

You can get a list of statistics OSU's athletic site. It list the opponents average return yards at 18.4 I don't know where to find the statistic on the average yard line the opposing team was stopped at.

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D-Day0043's picture

They are doing it to pin them deep. They do a kickoff left every time.

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funtubs's picture

I don't know if I'm correct but I thought I saw Grant and McMillan on the field at the same time.

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741's picture

I recall seeing McMillan and Perry on the field together. And honestly, I thought the DEF looked as good or better during that one or two play sequence than they did all night. Raekwon was actively calling the defense and repositioned the DT's pre snap - he looked like a veteran. I want to see more of him.

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

bench grant for mcmillan.  don't sit him for a stiff vet like we did with bell last year.

Grant hasn't been nearly the disaster this year that Pitt Brown was last year. He had a good game last night. You think a true frosh MLB is going to be much better in coverage, no matter how highly rated he was coming in? Did you know that Grant was the #2 recruit his year? By all means, bench a senior captain in favor of a true frosh because you haven't had a chance to be disappointed by him yet.

do we have a TE?  why do we bother rercuit them?

Seriously? Did you not see Stoneburner and Heuerman last two years? Did you know that TEs are also asked to block sometimes, since they line up on the OL? Did you know that the regular OL is a disaster and that Barrett needs all the protection he can get right now?

man I miss Tress.  guy got royally screwed and now they are going to pay players.  what a freaking hose job he got.

Ahh, now I get it. You can't even be happy when a better coach falls into your lap after the already-pretty-good-coach is fired (sorry, retires or whatever) and promptly wins 23 straight games with the very mediocre team the previous coach left him. Do you see what's happening in the rest of the B1G? You want to trade places with Sparty fans right now? How about another B1G team? How about Texas and Florida?

Or maybe you forgot the Florida loss, the two USC losses, the LSU loss for that matter? You're not happy with Barrett, Collier, and the mysterious "Burrow", fine. Tressel recruited Miller - do you think he could have gotten more out of him than Meyer did? Would he have turned Miller into Tom Brady? He didn't with Pryor, who only won as much under Tressel as Miller did under Meyer and was also very flawed. Oh, and Tressel left Meyer a disaster in the secondary and at LB, but I'm sure he would have kept all those 50-30/60-40 wins to much more respectable 24-17 type scores.

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tcm1968's picture

I'm never going to put this on Curtis Grant. He plays hard. He didn't play middle linebacker in high school and for the past 4 years we have been playing the kid in a position he's not ever going to grasp. That's on Luke. I think back to Coach Heacock's describing Grant as a future rush end one day at Ohio State. The whole thing reminds me of Aldon Smith in college and early at the Niners. Both teams tried for a year to throw too much at Smith and his game suffered.

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bedheadjc's picture

I hadn't know Grant didn't play MLB in HS. Now I actually feel bad about saying the guy needs to sit. Having played outside and inside they're totally different beasts. I still think Raekwon needs to start.

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tcm1968's picture

Yup, His high school played a 5-2 monster D. Their safety played hybrid MLB. Grant and other LB were just asked to make plays. Reality is he didn't even play a traditional outside role in high school either.

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TennBuck16's picture

Also, JT played his heart out. The kid did all he could with what the coaches and O-Line gave him. A lot of times he put the ball where it was needed, the recievers just either ran the complete wrong route or couldn't catch the ball. A lot still has to change with this team and coaching. Last years defense looks suspiciously like this years... 

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45has2's picture

Peyton Freaking Manning needs more than 2 seconds to complete a pass. The Oline is a disgrace.

Censores irrumasti.

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BuckeyeFanInBoulder's picture

After 2 games I would say this year's defense looks a lot better than the last several years.

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a.buck's picture

I could be in the minority but the loss last night felt completely different than the loss to MSU and Clemson. The losses las season felt like outside the online, Miller and Hyde the tallent was lacking. Last night there seemed to be plenty of tallent that was not clicking. I think the team is moving in the right direction just not as fast as most of us expected

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MrBobDobalina's picture

Nice recap.

I think it's a valid argument to say that special teams cost us the game.  Even if our O-line was serviceable last night it's not a leap to think we would have still lost. We gave up points and field position in a game that was tied up in the 4th.

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TLeeUpInThisJ's picture

Great write-up. The O-Line looked bad last night. There was one play in 4Q where Billy Price was just plain run over by the attacking defender. Happened much of the night. I'm not so certain Braxton Miller would have done materially better than Barrett last night with the constant pressure, and the dropped passes.

Regarding the O-Line problems, I'm concerned about our RB's. We've got a lot of these hybrid RB/WR guys back there that can't pass block, and Rod Smith did an awful job a few times picking up the blitz looking lost many times. I like having Samuel, Wilson and Marshall on the field but having a RB that can pass block would be nice considering you've got a freshman QB out there with a poor O-Line. Can Dunn or Ball provide any sort of pass blocking help?

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BuckeyeStrong2's picture

Our execution was horrible, but this one is mostly on Urban and Herman's play calling IMO. We should have went shotgun with empty backfield or 4-wide and spread the defense out. They had 65465435163155 guys in the box and blitzed 95% of the time, at least we could have gotten something started that way instead of running read option directly into the defense on first and second down.

Teams are learning how to beat Urban's offense right now. Load the box to shut down all runs and force the QB to beat you with his arm. MSU did it. Clemson did it. Navy tried it, and VT did it. The coaches better start earning those million dollar checks or this is going to be a long, long season.

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NYC Buckeye's picture

Poor Curtis Grant, you can see he's trying hard out there, however he repeatedly fell for that same play action over and over, it became very frutrating watching it... The couple plays I saw Raekwon I was impressed, he does need to be rotated in on a regular basis..

This defense has talent, and huge playmaking ability, Bosa, Bell and specially Lee who is outstanding all game.. however they do not play well as a cohesive unit..

I think we may be looking at 8-4 this season..

Edit : by the way , the Go route was the right call in my opinion, first quarter the safeties were basically LBs, second quarter they only kept 1 high, in what seemed to be a cover 3..  They kept daring us to throw it out there.. Too bad we couldn't get a couple more to connect...

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southernstatesbuckeye's picture

I really do love this community of Ohio State fans...I rarely go anywhere else for my Buck Fix.  And 95% of the commenters here are pretty cordial, and most are far wiser than I am when it comes to armchairing the game of college football.

But I have a bone to pick with a bunch of you guys and hope you'll take this the right way.  If not, sorry, but it is what it is.

I know from reading all the articles and the majority of comments, that most of you seem to really believe the sky is falling.  Even though the dark clouds all came out at once, and every single break went the Hokies' way, and all of our inexperience in every single position glumped together all at once in a stinky mess that was this game...

I am still going all in on the Bucks.

Yes.  All the points are well made that our team was not prepared for this outing.  A perfect storm, if you will, coming off Navy and probably too much focus on them to the exclusion of VT, and then coupled with the plethora of odd, strange and curious twists in the game like dropped passes, missed field goals, kickoffs out of bounds, stupid penalties, and bizarre third down inefficiency...well, you end up with what we had...

A very good chance at the end of the game, down only SEVEN points, to tie it up for overtime.  The last interception, of course, is in the books, and a fourteen point win is a fourteen point win.  But with all the pile of excrement we saw for 59 minutes, we were not out of the contest at the end.

So, yes...I have always been the glass half full guy, and I do trust that things will get straightened out.  I won't be calling for any heads to roll...if they need to start rolling, I'll let smarter minds than mine make the decisions.  But strangely, I am not petrified of the rest of the season.  This edition of the Bucks can end with one loss and a Rose Bowl win.  Likely out of the playoff (weird things may still happen though), but I'm ok with an ending like that for this year. 

Would any of you accept that as a good recompense for this season?

Let's congratulate VT on a great game plan, finish the year with wins from here out, and come back early next year at their house, and deliver the message of sadness to them, as the answer to this game. 

So all is not lost, friends.  These days will pass, your heart will mend, and you'll find replacement furniture for the couch, end table, and lamp you dispatched yesterday.  The Bucks are down, but will show they are not out.

Just watch and see.

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SaudiBuckeye's picture

Excellent post

Having the game at 4 am here, I made sure not to know the result and came back after work to watch the game on my laptop. Needless to say it was disappointing that we lost a game, you correctly noted, we were in till the very end. 

I then got on the site and had the same reaction after reading the many comments: is the sky falling?  No, it definitely isn't!

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German Buckeye's picture

Being upfront, I am usually a glass half empty persona but I just can't get it out of my mind that we pay Meyer millions (I repeat MILLIONS) of dollars, provide him and his staff the VERY BEST facilities, and support and fan base - all to be at the pinnacle of this sport...and we get this outcome.  Its been 12 years since we have won a championship. I think some hard focused dissent is totally acceptable. I know in my job if I were given the level of support and compensation this staff is, and I produced as they have, I wouldn't have my job very much longer. 

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ScarletGray43157's picture

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In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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ScarletGray43157's picture

It would be an absolute shock if the O Line gets good enough by week 3 and then progressively improves each week after that in order to finish with one loss.  They are simply bad, not just ineffective, and the lack of substitutions indicates that there is no help available on the sideline.  Football is won and lost in the trenches.  I like your outlook and I wish it were realistic.

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HYDEYOKIDS's picture

They are bad though V-tech and the play calling made them look worse than they are in my opinion. Experience is what will help them grow the most. I agree I think it is likely we suffer another loss, maybe 2, but I think the O-line will continue to improve and be O.K by the end of the season.

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Dougger's picture

Yes. As much as it sucked losing, this game came down to the very end. Those players (I think) are trying really hard for each other. That hopefully gets them with improvement a lot more wins this year.

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droessl's picture

Great stuff, Chris. I couldn't agree more with damn near everything; especially the inane play calling, and giving Raekwon some more playing time. 

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PhillyBuckeye27's picture

Urban has been outcoached in 3 of the last 4 games.....

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RedStorm45's picture

And TTUN put up a monster offensive game 5 games ago (ok, so maybe Withers/Fickell on that one).

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bedheadjc's picture

Either way, considering Grant's past struggles and the reality Vonn Bell sat behind a woefully unproductive Pitt Brown for a full season, I would love to see Raekwon McMillan at least see the field from time to time to avoid any risk of becoming disconnected while gaining a little bit of experience before he takes over the starting job next fall when the Buckeyes could actually be a threat to make noise in the playoff race.  

Take a breath, or use a period in there somewhere, Chris. Lol. Just busting chops. I mean it did make perfect sense.

And nice observations overall!

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Butch_Driveshaft's picture

Hokie defensive coordinator Bud Foster took Tom Herman and Meyer behind the woodshed. 

 While not to this degree, the last 3.5 games have produced similar results. Sitting in A deck last night, everyone around me was confused by the play calling. We aren't Mensa members though, so I guess we just don't understand.

A few positives, I do believe JT played about as good as he could given the circumstances. Mike Thomas looked solid, Vonn Bell looked solid, McMillan looked great the 0.2 seconds he was in the game, and Joey Bosa is just a freak. I must have been blinking when Herman dialed up Rod Smith's earned runs.

He owes me 260 bucks vacation pay, and he won't fuckin' pay that, so I figured a handful of chips wasn't too much to ask.

 

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2morrow's picture

I don't blame this on the players. They were not put in a position to be successful. The only clown show in town is our coaching staff and game planning. Butch is right - Meyer and Herman got taken to the woodshed - and its not the first time.

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SEOhioBuckeye's picture

^ this

"Stats are for losers, touchdowns are for winners" -- Johnny Unitas

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BukFan's picture

Yea but we had LeBron ....so we got going for us.

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BuckeyeStrong2's picture

Most likely not any more this season, with an output like that...

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awlinBrutus's picture

Yes once again we were out coached. No adjustments by Mr Mensa. On the first 2 scoring drives they picked up 2 third downs that should have been QB sacks. Brewer picked up one by running on 3/12, he should have been sacked. The front 7 misses to many sacks imo. happened more last year towards the end of they year. The players are at fault its not all on the coaching.

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vitaminB's picture

Can we please get a Qb who can throw the ball effectively. Offense is changing and we are still running high a school offense. 

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tosubuckeye's picture

I agree, Chris, on your assessment of Bell. He should be The starting safety Period, based on his tackling abilities alone. In my estimation Burrows should be the other starter. Powell doesn't wrap on tackles, he just hits and hopes his hits end with the ball carrier on the ground. Over the years this is what we have seen with many Buckeye db's. Also Powell takes bad angles to receivers and is often exposed. Burrows should be alternating with Powell until one proves clearly above the other. I would like to see E. Smith in the rotation, He's another guy that can tackle.

A clarification needs to be made in the wr assessment. For as fast as he is (?) Wilson gets absolutely no separation. Another in that category is Spencer. The one who does get separation with great routes is Corey Smith but he laid a giant goose egg, and right now he's a liability going forward. Guy has to work his way back (on the practice field) to earn his trust. My starting wr's for what's it's worth are Michael Thomas, Devin Smith, and Jalin Marshall.

The qb in my estimation did not hold the ball too long. When he came out of his 3 to 5 step drop dude was looking down a fully loaded barrow. Vick couldn't even escape what J.T. had to endure, No way. Our coaching staff has to design quick trigger plays to offset this type of insane pass rush. J.T. developed a reputation in high school as a master of the screen pass. Implement that as a counter weapon.

Our line was definitely exposed. Put Chad in at center. How many high snaps did Boren have in the game? Way too many. We need to go back to the drawing board on who (right now) gives us the best chance to run the ball, and pass block for our qb. Decker, Efflein, Chad. 2 spots clearly open. Defensive guys need to go back to the other side of the ball. Their play right now is not working.

Rb's I have no issue with. All are interchangeable, and no one is clearly above the other. And that is alright. Football has always been won in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. Fixing the O-line is paramount to our season's success. GO BUCKS!!!!

tosubuckeye

 

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btalbert25's picture

A big reason I hate the obsession with recruiting is some of the junk I've been reading.  Everyone talks about the ungodly talent, and yes there's a lot of it on this team, but most of that talent has next to no experience.  The O-line is green and the one starter who has returned is playing a new position on the line.  Barrett has played exactly two games outside of highschool football.  So many of these guys haven't started in college football before.  Talent is huge and it's there.  Experience is so important though.  Everyone seems to be ignoring that.  After watching the Navy game, I said to a buddy at work, we're in a lot of trouble next week.  I've got family in VA, they said you all are going to destroy Va Tech, I said nope, not with this O-line.  They need time to play together in games and gel.  Braxton may have been able to buy us the time this team needed just based off of his incredible talent.  When he went down, the season was going to be very tough to make it through without multiple losses.  It may have been tough even with him. 

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TheVictoryBell45's picture

I don't put this loss on J.T at all. He was one of the only bright spots on offense for most of the game. He made plays with his feet and threw some big time balls that our receivers dropped or didn't go up and pull the ball down. He'll continue to get better but he needs some help.  

The offensive line performance was one of the worst I remember seeing from a Buckeye Oline. Running the ball wasn't even an option. The Oline was the unit that lost this game and they need a gut check. They either get better or it'll be a long season. 

The special teams were absolutely horrible. Coincidence that Kerry Coombs is the special teams coordinator now? 

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Tim's picture

Completely agree about Bell and McMillan, no reason Bell should be splitting time with Burrows.  We've seen enough of Curtis Grant -- he is good in his role but gets exposed a lot.  I would also add a note for Michael Thomas -- why is he not in the game more?

I place a lot of blame on Herman, and I have disagreed with his play-calling for the last two years when he had two elite talents in Miller and Hyde to bail him out.  There were times last night where I felt like he pulled out the slowest-developing plays in our playbook when it was clear that pressure was coming almost every play.  Herman normally loves WR screens (or the wide-open swing to Dontre -- still hurting me right now that Barrett missed the throw), and there did not appear to be an effort to use them to combat the pressure.  Herman seems to be very arrogant, and that hurts with a team like this.

Have to disagree on all the credit to VA Tech and their QB.  Three turnovers, should have been four if Doran Grant could have made the pick where he looked like the intended receiver.  Their record may be deceiving, but they should be a 7-5 team who will be massacred by Florida State.  Two missed field goals and the worst drop since Ryan Hamby helped them a lot too.

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ScoobyKnows's picture

It's hard for me to blame the defense for that shit show.  The offense and special teams were constantly putting our defense in less than ideal situations.  How many 3 and outs did we have?  Our field position sucked all game. That's not cool.  Scooby knows!

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QBYBuckeye's picture

I have already forgotten what happened on September 6.  Let's use September 13 to get well because we have another contest on September 27.

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Northbrook's picture

I talked to a buddy who was at the game and he said there were options for JT other than the GO routes but he couldn't/didn't take advantage of them. That is the kind of thing you couldn't see on TV. However, I'm not throwing JT under the bus, there should have been some backs shucking blitzers wide and going right up the middle for a short pass that turned into a 20 yard gain. Plus where were the screens & draws? Bottom line? We're not that good right now but we will improve and we will bowl.

Chris, I enjoyed your writeup.

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Frankly Scarlet's picture

Coaching should NEVER be the problem at a place like Ohio State. This is the root of the problem; it needs to be addressed immediately or this program will not be truly elite despite the hype and tradition. 

 

"Buclkle your chinstrap, we're gonna grind meat!" - Woody Hayes  

 

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Buckeye_in_SEC_country's picture

I'm still stunned at the amount of go routes we ran. A few slants or screens and we could've have their defense off balance. It seems like Herman doesn't make any in-game adjustments. I haven't been too impressed with his play calling. 

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boras's picture

Im with the person who said hire Bud Foster, the way VT's defense played last night is how our defense should play. You should never know what's coming, and the back end is in man 95% of the game. And yes the offensive play calling was horrible, how many times did they run the ball on 2nd and long??????????????????? But we still have 10 games left, lets see what happens from here.

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boras's picture

Im with the person who said hire Bud Foster, the way VT's defense played last night is how our defense should play. You should never know what's coming, and the back end is in man 95% of the game. And yes the offensive play calling was horrible, how many times did they run the ball on 2nd and long??????????????????? But we still have 10 games left, lets see what happens from here.

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D-Day0043's picture

A clusterf**k is the only way to describe what I saw on the field last night. It was mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake.

When you have a team that executes that poorly, that is a reflection of coaching. As someone mentioned above, these coaches are paid handsomly, and no expense is spared on this football program. They have every amenity possible, the best money can buy, and for this team to look as bad and undisciplined as it did is simply unacceptable.

To get beat by a better talent is one thing, but to get outsmarted and beat by lesser talent is another.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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AGAB's picture

Braxton's injury and subsequent absence has really exposed the poor coaching as well as, the team's flaws. As long as UFM is coach I really do not see the situation improving.

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mtrotb's picture

Pay Bud Foster whatever he wants to come here next year.

mtrotb

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exnwohiobuckfan's picture

Corey Smith is not impressing me. Michael Thomas is a stud. He seems to be the only one who gets open. If defenses are going to play like that, he needs to be catching slants all night long. I think the defense will be okay.

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MassiveAttack's picture

Despite all of the stuff mentioned in the article, we still could have won the game (or at least be in it for overtime) if a few more dropped passes were caught.

I have no idea why Tom Herman didn't call short stuff for JT.  Especially in the second half when you could see how the offensive line could not handle VT.  Just call three step drops or less, hit some slants and screens.  Watching the fourth quarter was brutal.  Every time they showed the blimp views of the wide receivers, everyone ran deep routes.  This just doesn't even make sense.

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zeversole's picture

Glad kudos were given to VT and more particularly Brewer. Tough kid. We just simply got outplayed. They came ready and we did not. It's sad but over now. Let's show improvement through the rest of the season. 

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