Wow. Next year's team is going to be deep.
I hate saying I can't wait for next year before this one has started, but I am excited to see him come back.
Next Year's team is going to be insane.
A gelled offensive line with a talented 2014 then sophmore class pushing for starting time. We'll have had a year to learn how to use the weapons of EZ-E and Dontre Wilson. Our talented athletes thrown into the receiving mix will have a year to shake out. Spence, Washington, and Bosa will still have eligibility. Vonn Bell and Rakewon McMillan will have a year of starting experience - Cam Burrows and Eli Apple will be pushing for starting rolls.
The only thing missing was a QB. Was.
Cleveland Fans Unite!!!
Indeed next year looks to have more promise than the present....
Still excited for this year though :D
Agreed. I've talked myself into "playoff darkhorse nobody wants to play" in a remarkably short time.
Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.
With the playoffs, we have a little bit of room for error. We can lose 1....maybe 2 and still make the playoffs. As long as we win the B1G championship and the Big 12 winner has the same amount of losses as we do.
But, the SEC will probably have 4 undefeated teams this year!
So you are predicting a down year for the SEC?
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
We will not get in with 2 losses, I'm sorry. One loss is even debatable if PAC 12, ACC, and 2 SEC teams all have same or better records.
Braving the long dark of the offseason
If the 2nd SEC team has as many losses but no conference championship...then how would that make any sense?
Things pertaining to the SEC lovefest rarely make sense, friend. Just the way it is. I'd love for that not to matter, and they can do it lip service all that want, but I'll believe it when I see it.
When it comes to football, the SEC is above the rest. If you don't believe that then you are wearing your homer glasses. However, don't underestimate the power the B1G has in all dealings with the other conferences. It will be very difficult for them to leave a one loss B1G champion out of the playoffs.
Who says it makes sense? And yet, something akin to that happened three years ago.
Why did they actually have a rematch between lsu and bama for a national championship instead of okie state getting a shot? It doesn't have to make sense
^ best post ever ^
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Just... Go Bucks.
What everyone is forgetting is that it matters who the lose comes against. Frist of all if we lose we are out right now for sure this is why. A lose to sparty you can not hang with the top 10 you do not need to be there. If we lose to any one else they will hit us with you could not even beat so and so and your confrence is week. I hate to say it but until more teams in the B1G stand up and start to kick butt then any team from the B1G has to go unbeaten.
No team with two losses is going to the playoffs.
No one with 2 loses will ever make the 4 team play off. The only possibility is if they're an SEC team.
I predict one loss would make it difficult for Ohio State to get in. The reality is that there is too much SEC bias. You will hear this line or something similar "a two-loss SEC team is better than a one-loss team from any other conference" and ESPN will pimp the SEC hard, like always.
In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...
We still see a lot of references to guys referred to as T.P. and Troy. We instantly know who they are and how great they played. Nobody ever refers to C.K. or just plain Craig when talking about Craig Krenzel, but he led the Buckeyes to 1 more National Championship than T.P. and Troy combined. We have more potential playmakers than we have had in a long time. I'm excited to see if J.T. Barnett Barrett can manage this team to a great season.
And when you say "darkhorse" it makes my old self think of Katy Perry and well....theres a couple things to like about her. So, thanks DJ! Turning lemons into lemonade the Marionaire way!!
I wish I could get there. I don't see it.
No doubt last year's national champs were "led" by a Freshman as well....
Wow. Oddly enough, this might be better for the team in the long haul. Great news.
I had the same thought. In 2015 the o-line will have had a season to mature, the young defense will be growing up, and the young skill players will be another year along.
This really could have played out worse.
PG <3 PG
This really could have played out worse.
Yeah. There could have been an Ebola epidemic or zombie apocalypse... We are much better off.
Makes me feel a little bit better about this whole situation. Hoping it all works out in Braxton's favor.
MA. Good move BM.
If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die.
Pretty clear choice here. Who wouldn't want to help lead a team defending a national championship?
I don't see the need for sarcasm font here. It could happen.
No relation to OSUFORLIFE...
Haha, I went back and forth. I think this way we are safely in reverse-jinx territory.
Current injury aside, this is about as positive as you can get. He's coming back next year!
Get well soon Xbrax.
"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.
At least Gibson will have a year to study under one of the best.
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Next years team is going to be stacked. 2015 may be the most talented team we've seen in a really long time in Columbus.
I love Braxton.
Braxton Miller = great representative of Ohio State. Resilient. Classy. Buckeye.
Completely agree!! He really is a class act and I think all of Buckeye Nation is thankful he has been the face of our team the past few years.
I love Braxton even more. I told all my co-workers that regardless of his decision on staying for the 2015 season or going to the draft that I would whole heartily support him! With that said, this is best news Buckeye Nation could have hoped for! Imagine what our 2015 team will look like with all our new weapons and o-line with an entire year under their belt!
Get healthy Braxton!
I'm gonna call it now. Preseason #1 for 2015. Everyone will be more enticed to stay for another year to finish with Braxton. Look out college football.
I am still pumped for this season. This puts a chip on the shoulder of an already angry team... That could be bad for the rest of the country. They have the whole country already writing them off. Just adds more motivation. Why not us?? It will be even sweeter to piss people off by winning games when they gave us no chance to win..
Loving all things Buckeye from SEC country in Alabama.
"How firm thy friendship....O-HI-O"
"Chip on the shoulder?"
Really? Too soon. Too soon.
Actually, it's not just the country but our own fans, that are writing off the season. The players, Dontre Wilson and Darron Lee in particular, said the fans reactions haven't been too loyal. I think all this is gonna make them angry to prove everyone wrong.
Aaaaalmost feel bad for JT. as long as Brax comes back 101% (since we know what 100% does) I cannot WAIT to see him back in Scarlet and Gray.
"It's so easy to be average...to HELL WITH THAT" - Urban Meyer
Don't feel bad for him! He's going to get this year of experience and be another Kenny G type of back up next year with two years left after that! He should be as excited as we are! This is a good year for us to show how deep we really are!
By no means is this a prediction, but certainly plausable and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it happens: JT leads us into the Playoffs, perhaps to the championship game, maybe even winning. If any of these happen, especially making the game, JT will not be pulled in the next season.
The talent is extremely deep and electrifying. If the defense gets back to the Silver Bullet days, we will be a force. I believe the team will rally around this and perform above expectations. If that occurs, based on talent alone we have to be in the top 4. JT just needs to lead the team and manage the game without making too many mistakes. Sounds crazy, but this situation could make everyone else better.
Having said all that. Best of luck to Brax. One of the greatest QBs we ever had. Get well soon
No offense to Braxton, but say JT succeeds (i.e. When he succeeds) why is it a given Braxton gets his job back. Would you want to hand the keys back over for a season when you just played well. To me, that screams transfer. Why burn a season if your JT. Again, all hypothetical fluff. One day at a time.
My thoughts were similar. What if Barrett proves to be a solid, eventually elite passer? What about keeping Braxton as a weapon somewhere else? That would be a tough call to make but if it comes to that, player with best chance to win should play.
Interesting thought, Mortc15. It's happened before in Buckeye history (tho the circumstances were different). I was a student at the time - 1978 - we opened with State Penn and had a great running QB named Rod Gerald (remember him ?). We also had a highly touted freshman QB - a kid from Washington Court House named Art Schlichter. Not many people thought Woody would start a freshman, and sure enough when the offense came on the field, Rod Gerald was in the huddle. Then #10 trotted onto the field, Rod went to wideout and the Shoe went berserk!!
Not saying that would happen, but it's nice to have options.
Great story, and a realistic option. They do constantly refer to him as "a running back built quarterback". What position would be end up? Slot? H back? Rb?
Love the idea of Braxton being a duel threat at wr or rb but with that shoulder I think he would stay put at qb. Very eager to see what JT can under center this season!
I agree. If JT has a great year, how can you all of a sudden bench him? That could destroy a young man's confidence.
We do not know if Braxton will ever have the arm strength upon his return, and how tentative will he be once he returns? He may shudder anytime he has pressure. Until he is taking hits and is on the field, no one knows.
And I hate to say it, but Urban has used a 2 QB system once before. Braxton could easily fill the Tebow as a freshman role, but obviously with more involvement. But that doesn't do much for his NFL stock, unless he is looking to break into the NFL at a position other than QB at that point.
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. A lot of tough decisions shall be made over the next year plus.
"Great moments are born from great opportunities." - Herb Brooks
JT is the future and the future is NOW. So JT performs well this year....and you tell him he can no longer lead the team but rather he has to pretend it didn't happen and watch from the sidelines next year ?..I cannot imagine any good player putting up with that. What do you think the impact on future qb recruits who see this ?
Loyalty at its finest!
Get well Braxton!
God bless braxton. I hope this doesn't end his personal dreams.
He will also get more free education which is always a plus for life.
Braxton will be a Jedi master of the offense after spending a year breaking down film for JT ever week. If you consider the mental toll that Braxton has gone through and has ahead of him he is one mentally tough young man. Not many can go through the five years he is going through, myself included. Much love for him.
I have a feeling Braxton will be my favorite Buckeye when all is said and done.
The fact that he wants to go to Graduate school is awesome in itself. That is what I am focused on. Get that second degree, good sir!!!
You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.
I love Braxton!!!!!
Braxton is the man. Way to look at the bright side. I love this kid. Updating my favorite buckeye . . .
Could create an interesting situation next year. What happens if Barrett has a breakout season? Do you bench him in favor of Miller, or do you move Miller to another position? Given the fact its a serious shoulder injury, a position switch might be the best thing for Miller if he wants to be a legit NFL prospect.
Either way, this is a problem most Buckeye fans would love to have next year.
Get back with me when JT is a two time B1G player or the year. This is ridiculous.
Its not ridiculous. You don't know how Braxton will look being away from the game for essentially 1 1/2 years (he hasn't been full go since the bowl game practices). Further, Urban has to think about his team long term...all decisions have consequences. If JT has an all-Big type of year, there will be tough decisions to be made.
He will still look like the two time player of the year. His legs and brain are not broken and his leadership goes a long way. Urban's long term comes down to the "best player plays" and that includes quarterback. When Braxton's arm heals I feel sure that he will win that competition easily. Yes all decisions have consequences and that includes not playing your best player. For a kid that has not played a down of football since his senior year of high school (and not all of that one) you sure have a lot of faith in J.T.
A lot of 'what ifs' involved all around. There is no indication that Braxton's arm strength will return. All I am saying is let it play out. To dismiss it though like there is no way Braxton doesn't return at 100% is short sighted. And its not like Braxton was some complete QB to begin with...fantastic and electric athlete who still needed another year of learning how to be a QB.
What's ridiculous is that you think this scenario is ridiculous.
Physical recovery, post grad work, another year in scarlet and gray = win/win/win. Good for you B Miller. Wishing you success in all. Go Bucks!
Braxton is all Buckeye. I knew he would come back next year. Get yourself right young man. You will be kicking a$$ again soon enough.
Meanwhile, let's not count ourselves out just yet. They are not just handing out scholarships to anyone to play quarterback at Ohio State. J.T. just might have a little something to show everyone this year. ;-)
When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.
Hypothetically spreading... What if JT kills it and has a heisman type year? Who starts the next year?
Let's hope we find out. Go Bucks!
Nice try with your trick question.
We could possibly see a dual-quarterback system, maybe? It worked for Northwestern, I don't see why we couldn't give it a shot.
Urban is not opposed to using this type of system. In his 2007 National Champion..shit....uhhhhh...never mind.
Two-quarterback systems get a lot of bad press, because they are usually employed by teams using two not-very-good quarterbacks. But it can be great when you have two guys who can actually play.
No, no and hell no!
This creates a unique QB situation for '15.
One shall stand, One shall fall. -Optimus Prime
If it is indeed true that JT Barrett has deleted his Twitter account, that's proof positive that he's approaching Mensa territory. At the very least, a damn good sign.
God yes. Brilliant move by the young man.
Barrett can see problems from afar and snipe them before they get too close. .50 cal don't mess around.
(Yes, I've posted that twice and am officially pushing for .50 cal as his nickname)
Why? Because you posted it twice? How does it pertain to him?
Still not giving a damn for the whole state of Michigan.
Looks at bowling ball bag.. "Obviously you're not a Golfer"
Huh, learn something everyday. I am now on board with this nickname. Thanks, Officer!
What if JT Barrett or Cardale Jones wins the Heisman? That will present a bit of an issue.
Whoa!! Let's just take it a game at a time. What's the of trying to debate something so far away? J.T. still hasn't played a game yet. By all means bring this topic back up in Dec/Jan if it is warranted but seems way too soon to make any kind of judgments on that issue.
"Championships are not won on Saturdays in November. Championships are won on Tuesdays in August." -- Kerry Combs
We'll see. I wouldn't expect him to say anything else. I wouldn't expect him to announce he's going to rehab at Ohio State for the next 6-8 months and then enter the 2015 draft.
Think it's 50/50 at best he's the quarterback of next year's team.
WOW! Thanks Braxton, Buckeye Nation loves you!
"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War
Why is no mentioning the possibility of a QB controversy? If Barrett turns out to be a stud and OSU wins 10-11 games... Do you automatically hand the team over next season to a guy who hasn't actively played in 19-20 months (at that point)?
I love Braxton and want to see him do well, but if Barrett shows he can be the guy, you can't axe him. Possibly use Braxton all over the field, including some under center looks. Would be great to have two nasty athletes that can play QB.
I've never said I 'hate' anyone because that would imply I had any emotion for them whatsoever.
My answer is to have faith in Urban Meyer. He will pick the best man for the job.
Let's Go BUCKEYES!!!!!
Because a) it's a wonderful problem to have, and b) we have at least 500 more important things to worry about, including 75% of the offensive starters, all of our opponents, other injuries, etc.
Completely agree. If JT Barrett wins 10-11 games this year he should be the starting quarterback next season. He is going have a full year of chemistry with the skill players that Braxton doesn't have, Braxton would be extremely rusty (much to your point about not seeing live game action for 19 months), and JT might just flat out be better after a year of development. Also think it is worth mentioning we would be halting JT's development for a year with if we hand the job to Miller.
This of course is predicated on the fact JT does have a good year, which is entirely possible. He was a high commodity coming out of high school for a reason and is the backup as only a redshirt freshman. I love what Braxton did at Ohio State and was very upset when hearing the news, but I think it will be time to cut the cord with him if JT lives up to what he is capable of doing.
Here's to you Braxton
Feed the trolls
who are here thinks that this is the SAME Shoulder Injury is the one that took him out of the 2012 Purdue game?
That was his left shoulder I believe.
Pretty sure your right Deadly.
Get busy living.
Oh, hey Uncle Poison!
Thinking very optimistically, if Barrett/Jones lead an amazing run and a season that sees 10-12 wins, a B1G Championship berth or more; gain the respect of the team and clearly embody the leadership role at QB... What do you do with a rehabbed, healthy, 5th-year Senior Braxton Miller next year? You have to think they stick with Barrett/Jones in 2015 (assuming my dream scenario above comes to fruition).
You have to think they stick with Barrett/Jones in 2015
"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."
Here's to next years title run
It may not happen the way we may have thought, but still happy to entertain the possibility that Braxton Miller closes out a spectacular career at Ohio State a champion.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
I myself graduated in 4 years and stuck around for a 5th in Columbus too.
You won't regret it Braxton! (probably don't drink or do as many recreational drugs as I did...)
I stuck around an extra quarter to pick up another year of tickets . . . and to a lesser extent, an econ minor. That was the 2002 championship season. Coincidence? Probably. But in my mind? National Champs. Lock.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
Sigh.. Haha mine was unfortunately the 07 season and 08 championship game. I was still an athletic department employee with an all access pass...
But I much prefer your narrative
I did not see this one coming.
Cardale Jones just put in his paperwork for a transfer to Akron..........
Do they play school there?
please tell me you are joking...
“Today I will do what others won't, so tomorrow I can accomplish what others can't.” - Jerry Rice
I'm just joking, but I can only imagine how he must feel right now. He was #2 QB all summer and then two days after demotion Braxton goes down for year. Rough timing.
yeah, you're right, that changes everything.
It's a long season. If anyone thinks that JT can go the entire schedule without an injury, please raise your preferably lotion free hand. All QB's get dinged up. And whose to say how JT will perform when it counts anyway? There are so many unanswered questions regarding this team it's mind-boggling. To think that anything is set in stone right now would be foolish. So, Cardale better have his head in the game this year. Forget about next year...focus on the now. I guarantee that he'll be needed.
Cardale Jones is more important to the Buckeyes than ever, and will see plenty of playing time this season.
If JT stinks up the joint Jones will see action in the season opener against Navy. For all we know Jones is gonna be the hero this year. Anyone remember the 2002 season? Who felt confident with Krenzel leading the team? I watched Krenzel fill in for Bellisari in 2001 and he was horrible. Just goes to show that anything can happen. I am very confident that one of these young quarterbacks will step up and lead us to the playoffs!
Holy moly...HOLY MOLY!!!!
"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." - Woody Hayes
This is the stuff legends are made of.
Yep, if he wasn't already there, he just reached the pantheon level.
His loyalty to buckeye nation makes me love him more. A sad, sad day. No other way to put it.
I honestly was never a huge Braxton fan. Kind of felt he was just an athlete (an incredible one at that) trying to play QB. But his toughness and determination during the Clemson game completely changed my mind on him. The kid has tremendous heart and now to see how loyal he is to Buckeye nation completely puts him on another pedestal. Easily my 2nd favorite QB behind the legend Troy Smith.
The Legend continues
I'm curious how 2015 and 2016 will go with likely two QBs who are awesome and returning each year but having a year off between significant playing time? :) Buckeye fan problems haha. Get healthy Braxton, you're one of the best!
All I know is Dr. James Andrews better be doing the surgery to repair his shoulder. Braxton deserves the best doctor to insure its done right so he recovers fully healthy.
I'd be more concerned about the rehab. Clearly, whoever was working with him after this last surgery didn't work/stimulate the areas that needed help.
Another site has repeatedly reported a rumor that Braxton was skipping rehab sessions and the coaching staff wasn't happy about it at all. Not sure if there is validity to it or not.
Ok well I was wrong. I'll admit it.
coming back next year, that's all I needed to hear.
Like the ball in the stands, we balls out
When I first heard of Miller being out for the year, his concern over supporting his young family is the first thing I thought of. Who knows what the future holds in terms of professional football for Braxton, but him talking about grad school just shows he is already thinking well down the road. Whether he ever plays another down at OSU or not, he should be commended for his dedication to his family and his education.
"Until then, J.T. Barrett (who deleted his Twitter account like a sage) is on the clock.
Now THATs the Best Move any player can make! JT already seems like a class act. Just go quietly about your job of just gettin it done and leave the noise making to the idiots who are all talk and no sense.
Of Course Its Hard. It;s Supposed to be Hard. If it was easy everyone would do it.
Hard is what makes it Great.
I am going to treat this like when I hear a recruit has committed. Until I see him on the roster come next spring, I am going to be cautious
All my worries about not having Braxton in 2015 just got obliterated by Braxton Miller.
I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
That run at the mouth TE for TTUN just pooped his pants, and it isn't even Thanksgiving 2015 yet.
The offseason is the longest season.
Another example of the effort and sacrifice that Braxton has given to OSU!
“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt
Well he is certainly no Mark Sanchez when it comes to blocking...
You guys, what if JT brings home the ship this, then Braxton wins it next year, and then JT comes back in 2016 and we win again?!?!!
No but seriously Braxton is an upstanding person and great rep for OSU. Hope he comes back better than ever. And that "new JT" wins a lot ;)
I like football
Awesome! He will have a year to study the game and enter the mind of Urban and Tom Hermann! This will only make him stronger! Awesome news for the Buckeye Nation! Now, let's all get pissed off for being dissed by Vegas and every sportswriter and whoop some ass in 2104!!!
The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced
Sure, revenge is a dish best served cold, but 90 years seems a bit excessive.
This billboard on Olentangy River Road. .. get better @BraxtonMiller5 pic.twitter.com/BrPYgneVqY
— DOM TIBERI (@DOMTIBERI) August 19, 2014
This is probably an NCAA violation. I mean, just an average student wouldn't get a get well billboard.
Ron, you just won the internet with that.
I hate the offseason.
Buckeye Nation!!!! pic.twitter.com/K0SpSSSW6K
— Fake Urban Meyer (@FakeUrban) August 20, 2014
I love the fact that he says he is coming back, but I won't believe anything until I see him taking snaps in the regular season of 2015
This is my house, I have to defend it
So Braxton gets hurt and defense stops winning championships?!...
Wherever you are, there you be!
our defense stopped winning championships a few years ago.
We need the silver bullets to reclaim the status they once had before we can once again hang our hat on D.
My point exactly we haven't won a championship yet!!! But we keep acting like we're Alabama!
Keep in mind that Braxton said he wanted to attend graduate school , not that he was going to attend graduate school. I realize there are many excited at the prospect of Braxton returning but keep in mind that his emotions are probably still running high after his injury and normally any decision made under the circumstances aren't the ones one sticks with. Besides, what else would he say ? Would anyone expect him to say " I'm leaving"? That would add an extra distraction to the season.
To be honest, the best thing for him , in my opinion, is to leave after this year and turn pro. His future was never going to be as a quarterback in the NFL for a multitude of reasons : skill set, injury history, stature, and ability to run a pro offense to name a few. Therefore, he should go ahead and leave and embrace that he is going to be a skill position player at the next level if he wants to have any length of a career. He's already gotten banged up so much that to come back for another year opens him up for further injury and not get paid for it. I realize that he wants to be a quarterback but some self awareness on his part at where he stands at being a quarterback in the NFL and another year older and opening yourself up to more hits and injury would be in his best interest.
If he comes back for another year he's going to be heavily scrutinized by the scouts for skill and injury and may have his draft stock pushed further down (4-5th round) or he can leave, switch to a skill position, and more likely be drafted in the second round where he'll have a more lucrative contract, make more of an impact on the field, have a chance at staying in the league longer, and have a chance at an extra contract.
I also think that with all the young skill guys that Urban has been recruiting , JT and Cardale getting all the reps in spring and fall camp , and an entire season of the skill guys building a rapport with JT that for the team the best thing could be for them to be building now for years to come with a core nucleus.
"I also think that with all the young skill guys that Urban has been recruiting , JT and Cardale getting all the reps in spring and fall camp , and an entire season of the skill guys building a rapport with JT that for the team the best thing could be for them to be building now for years to come with a core nucleus."
If the back-to-back B1G player of the year, the guy who is thisclose to breaking a number of school passing records, is arguably the most exciting player in all of college football, has over 3000 rushing yards and 84 total touchdowns wants back in after a redshirt year, you say "yes, sir," don't think twice and start planning what you want to do with the offense as you cackle with joy.
He's a beautiful football player and I would love to see him in the Big House in 2015.
Be careful what you wish for... I, of course, would love to see that as well!
In the press box as a grad assistant is what you really mean, right??
Just kidding, we all appreciate watching great athletes do their thing, thanks.
Thank the Maker that I was born in Ohio, cradle of coaches, US Presidents, confederate-stomping Generals, and home of The Ohio State University Football Buckeyes- 2014 UNDISPUTED National Champions!
I must say, I did not expect this turn of events with Braxton coming back next year. This is pretty cool.
It will be very interesting, though, if Barrett plays very well this year. What happens if Barrett leads this team to a B1G title? What if, somehow, this team gets into the playoffs? Good problem to have? I think it could be. There could be some interesting things that the offense could do with both of them. Either way, the Buckeyes have a known commodity coming back at QB, so they've got at least one good QB for next year.
Braxton could become the first OSU QB to ever start 3 games in the Big (Out)House.
Class of 2010.
Everyone's high on him coming back but I think the question is whether he can come back physically? He had a "minor" injury that led to a torn labrum. Can he come back from this and be the same or better?
What if he comes back, but not at quarterback? Debate.
..Til' we wobble in our shoes!
It sure crossed my mind. Weirder things have happened. See, e.g.; Devin Gardner - wide receiver.
It's concerning to me that he separated his shoulder on a non-contact play, nearly 9 months after having shoulder surgery, and within hours of declaring himself 100%. As others have said, once those ligaments in that joint are stretched, it's difficult to ever get them to return back to 100%. Hopefully for his sake he is able to recover and accomplish all his dreams as a football player.
In addition, once JT gets the keys to the fastest car in the B1G, it's going to be difficult to pry them back from him. Especially if he is able to accomplish something that Braxton hasn't been able to, which is win a B1G title (granted Brax has been hampered by sanctions).
While many on here are excited for 2015, I for one am extremely excited for 2014. People act like we have Bauserbust as our #2 on the depth chart. JT was one of the most highly recruited DT QB's in the nation, and probably would have been rated higher had he not suffered an injury his Senior year. We have a lot of weapons and speed on Offense, and just need someone who can efficiently distribute the ball to them.
It's going to be so sweet this year crushing the dreams of the B1G after so many people have already written us off. Of course, if we do this, then the narrative will switch to how weak the B1G is, given we could go unbeaten with a backup QB. People truly underestimate the talent on this team, and seem to forget that we've had back-to-back top 2 recruiting classes.
Does a torn Labrum have anything to do with the simple out patient surgery Braxton had.?
I think the whole "outpatient surgery" thing may have been a big misdirection. They may have (truthfully) said that it was "outpatient" surgery, hoping that everybody thought that it was "minor" surgery. "Outpatient" does not always equal "minor."
I had a completely rutpured Achilles tendon repaired by Michigan's team orthopedist. It was outpatient surgery. And I was on crutches for six weeks and in a boot for two months. It was outpatient surgery (and done very well); but it was not minor.
Once again, this all stems back to the refs in the Orange Bowl. It is entirely their fault for this. They did not penalize Vic Beasley and Clemson for the repetitive late hits on Miller.
I haven't read all of the comments but does anyone else think Braxton coming back might be a bad idea? What if JT kills it and leads us to the playoffs? Do we pull him for a whole year to let Braxton back in?
Wow. Just wow. I need to find a shoe to eat, b/c I was completely off on this. I thought that there was no way he'd be back. Damn, they're going to be really, REALLY good next year. Imagine a backup with either Brax's or JT's experience, and perhaps even alternating them to keep them both healthy.
WOW. I hope for a speedy recovery, although not too speedy, and am glad that he'll pursue a graduate degree. What a pleasure it is to have this young man as part of OSU's football program.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
Nothing like a 2 QB system to roil up the press piranhas.
Serious question. Will Brax have unfettered access to the team while he's on RS? Understand he'll be plenty busy with rehab. But, having Brax on the sidelines would be like having another full-time QB coach for JT/Cardale. Pretty unique opportunity for all of them.
For those worried about what to do with Brax if JT "kills it" this season, I'm sure Urban can find some way to utilize them both.
“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”
Braxton knows if he is every going to have a chance to play in the NFL he must come back for a 5th year AND be better than he ever has been.
1) I am amazed at how many people think that JT (though I am optimistic he will serve the team well) who has just barely been able to unseat Jones for the back up role, is all of sudden going to become so good that we wouldn't welcome a healthy Braxton Miller back to lead the team next year. He is one of 4-5 guys who is a legit heisman candidate (and has been for 3 years), he isn't just some average player.
2) As to the question of whether he will come back healthy, well that is a different story. A labrum tear is not like an ACL, especially for a thrower. They can't go in and make that stronger than it was, a la Adrian Peterson. The joint will never be as stable. The labrum doesn't regenerate, and it doesn't heal if you try to repair it. So they will likely take out the torn part and hope for the best with rehab. There are some techniques to try and improve stability, but success depends on the type of injury and though he may recover to play again, maybe even as a QB, the likelihood he comes back at the level he was before is very small, probably under 20%, definitely under 50%.
That being said, I truly hope he beats the odds and I am ABSOLUTELY rooting for him, both for his sake and the sake or our team, because next year should be a much better squad all around than this one (which is about as "re-built" a team as you can get).
However, I think he might want to consider how he could be used as an "H" back, WR, or RB. It might also offer him a possible entry to the NFL, which I don't see happening now at QB, ever.
I should add the caveat that I don't know the extent of his injury or if any other areas (rotator cuff, biceps tendon, etc) were injured.
But just speculating based on available information, the fact he dislocated it without contact demonstrates a significant degree of instability, which makes me very pessimistic that he will be able to throw at full velocity again.
Thanks for the insights, Doc. I can't believe you got a downvote from someone.
Agreed, the DV bandit strikes again. Only time your safe is when Sponge Bob is on and/or after bedtime...probably 7:30 or so.
Thanks Doc, love the professional perspective you provide for us normal Google Doctors. My wife has banned me indefinitely from diagnosing myself with help from Dr. Google, or his partner Dr. Yahoo, due to numerous misdiagnosis' which may or may not have lead to an emergency room visit....
I know Dr. Andrews performed a similar surgery on Drew Brees, and we all know how that turned out, so obviously I/we will be hoping for that scenario.
And assuming he regains his former arm strength, I do not see how he is not the starting QB next season regardless of what is accomplished this season.
It definitely works in Braxton's favor (and all of OSU) that he is going to get the best care available, both pre-op, during surgery, and during post-op rehab. I have no doubt of that.
However, his body has to do the healing. Not everyone's connective tissue will hold up the same. I hope he comes back full speed, as I definitely feel next year should be a better overall team than this year, but some realistic expectations are definitely in order.
Why are so many people talking about Braxton not being able to beat out Barrett in another year??? First of all, we should just be happy that he is coming back. Also, J.T Barrett hasn't even taken a snap yet! The chances that he is going to prove himself better than Braxton are very slim. A QB as good as Braxton doesn't come into your program that often. You can't just easily replace him.
A lot of people are acting like Braxton wouldn't get a sniff in the draft at QB. Y'all remember that a team took TP, right? And is still in the league playing quarterback, correct? Or that Logan Thomas got drafted solely on future potential? God damn, even Dennis Dixon got some run, and Senecca Wallace has made a career out of still being a quarterback. Your "Braxton won't get played at quarterback!!!!" statements couldn't be more wrong.
A lot of interesting questions here. I'm just glad he 'll be back in whatever capacity it ends up being. I'm gonna go ahead & enjoy 2014 & let the future stay squarely in the future.
As excited as I am for this season... We're gonna be stupid good next year. Gonna be a weird QB battle next spring/summer though. Hoping Brax sticks to his word and returns. I'm sure he doesn't want his OSU career to end on these terms. Makes me smile knowing I'll still get a chance to see ol no. 5 leave defensive players grasping at air.
Obviously different situations here, but sort of reminds me of when Jason White tore both ACLs in consecutive seasons and came back again only to win the Heisman in 2003. Not trying to project, but a year to sit, study, and think sure did wonders for 'ol Jason.
First and foremost I feel awful for Braxton. I can't wait for his return in 2015. But I believe this years team will be unbelievably good. I argue that we have one of the 2 best coaches in college football, we have a team that is LOADED with young talent, and we have a defense that is hungry. Braxton is awesome, Pryor was out of this world, Troy won a heisman, bet yet it was a savvy game manager Krenzel who won a national championship. That year we played great defense and got the ball to our playmakers. I look forward to the upcoming season.
I love Krenzel, but I'd be willing to bet that '02 team with Pryor/Brax/Troy at their peak completely outclasses the rest of the Big Ten. Krenzel had his awesome program defining moments, but I'm not taking him over any of those three. I'm sure the downvotes will come with that opinion, but Krenzel was good, Pryor/Brax/Troy were/are great.
I completely agree with your statement but that's not my point. National championship teams very, very rarely have the best quarterback in college football. Is Braxton a huge loss yes, but games are won and lost with a great defense and an offense and special teams that manufactures points. I still believe we have more talent than any other team in the big ten. Does this equate to anything, we shall see
I also completely agree with you. Let's not forget that in 2002 we had 2 overtime games, the Holy Buckeye 10-6 win over Purdue (!!! Purdue!!!) and other close games. I don't think that team had nearly the offensive talent of other recent teams we've fielded but we got lucky in a few games. Our defense might have been the best that year.
There is no guarantee the Braxton Miller will ever play QB again. This type of injury to the throwing shoulder is not a lock for being rehabilitated to the level that it needs to be for him to play QB in college. Having said that, I love a good comeback and I hope that it happens for him.
You're right Braxton won't be the same. He'll be much better and ready for a great season!
Braxton ( and any football player ) getting his degree within 3 1/2 years while playing major college football is one of the more impressive feats of his career.
Selfishly, I'd like to see him beat ttun a THIRD time!
I hope he recovers from his injury and I wish him well in his future endeavors whatever he decides.
“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden
That counts going to summer school 4 years. Most athletes do that as they take the minimum hours allowed per semester, due to spending so much time on their sport during the season, as well as the off season.
That may be true, but still impressive. And I'm not sure the athletes get scholarship money for the summers and may have to work a job to stay in Columbus, as well as the school classes they take, and the workouts they do.
Anyone who has gone to college and worked 20-30 hours per week or more and graduated in four years or less, summers or not, is impressive to me.
The athletes get very class paid for while on scholarship