Hmm....HDTV...free over the air broadcast....I can drink an adult beverage....A bathroom 15 feet away with no line....
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Baskin Robbins? Nah, Haskins Dobbins - KannonMic
HDTV with DVR...so the game <PAUSES> while you go to that clean no line restroom...
Jim "DooDah" Day
"If I were giving a young man advice as to how he might succeed in life, I would say to him, pick out a good father and mother, and begin life in Ohio.” --Wilbur Wright, 1910
As someone who cut their cable last year, I can say that OTA games are not as common as they used to be...
Sports is the reason I haven't cut the cord, and DirecTV/ESPN/BTN/FOX knows it.
Well, you're indirectly paying for the broadcast through your cable provider. Unless you're hooked up with HG antennae or something.
*EDIT - Over the air....I am dumb. But how do you get those BTN games?
Or ESPN/ESPN2. The only over the air games for OSU are the ABC games which are rare.
On the deductions, I think you're getting that wrong. You don't get back 80% of your gift, you reduce your taxable income by 80% of your gift. So if you donate $1500, you reduce your income by $1200. At the 25% tax bracket that means your gift costs you $1,200.
Thank you for pointing this out before I could. Also it is subject to limitations other than just your AGI, like if you are going to itemize or not, but if you are donating $1,500+, you probably are a Sch A user.
“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.” - Woody
All this accounting has the SEC troll's heads spinning
SEC is a cash business. No need to get the Gov't involved. :)
I love mixing the fantastic worlds of sheltering of income and football...now all of us nerds must all go back to the nerdery with our calculators.
And the higher the tax bracket, the more valuable the deduction. So for a taxpayer with a marginal tax rate of 35%, the $1200 deduction is worth $420, resulting in a net cost of $1080. It's kinda like Hollywood -- the richer you are, the more free (or discounted) swag you get.
Also at the 25% tax bracket, it may not be exactly 25%. The tax brackets work by taxing your income a predetermined percentage up to certain dollar value, then augmenting the percentage for the next set of dollar value (and so on).
I'll go ahead and post even though i've only read half of the article so far, but your understanding of the tax rules are incorrect. First, the charitable piece is a deduction, not a credit. So you don't get a dollar for dollar benefit. Second, your donation to the food pantry is 100% deductible subject to the same AGI limitations as your deduction for the donation to the school.
Fixed. Feel free to audit my work anytime.
Ditto... not dollar for dollar
The Dude abides...
Good news everybody, JBCUKY will be doing all our taxes from now on!
Thank you for beating me to the punch JBCUKY. I had to go check the byline to see if this was a DJ article. I'm surprised at you, Ramzy!
Other points of note: President's Club recognition level did in fact get bumped up: from $2,500 donation in 2012 (for the right to receive a 2013 season ticket application) to $3,000 in 2013 (for 2014).
So, for me, I laid out $3,000 in charitable donations to the university. The value of benefits received for the application to buy a pair of football tickets reduces the amount of the gift I can claim as a deduction by $300 (per IRS guidelines). I happen to be in a 28% Federal income tax bracket so my donation to the university results in my taxes being reduced by $756 - i.e., ($3,000 - $300) x .28 = $756.
So, I pay $3,000 for the application (less $756 in reduced taxes), then I paid $1,450 for two season tickets (plus seat back cushions, and Ticketmaster fees), resulting in an (net) outlay of $3,694 for two tickets to seven home games: for a final cost per ticket of $263.86.
I honestly have no problem with the Michigan ticket being priced closer to it's actual market value - I get it.
What I do have a problem with is paying a much higher than market value price for Kent State, etc., etc., etc. - year after year. I have had to eat tickets that could not be sold even for as little as $30 apiece on a few instances. That is the true problem here.
Quit scheduling the crap teams and paying $750,000-$2,000,000 to get them to come here and play glorified scrimmages - or, let the price of those tickets float with the market along with the so-called "Premium" games.
It is like NFL preseason games, you may be paying "face value" for them but you are really paying for the seat license / future games with the preseason down payment. Eventually they will have to have liquidating prices for the remaining nosebleed seats on game day that are left unsold for crappy games. The alumni lottery is their trick to keep from having to do this already.
The past few years they have actually had to resort to pre-season public sale of excess (unsold) seats to multiple home games - albeit at face value (not discounted value).
That to be honest pisses me off because of course I had to pay a substantial premium (via my President's Club donation) to buy those same games!
Props on the accounting. And putting it in real terms for many people - fathers taking their wives or sons, etc.
Good post. Great point on the ridiculous pricing for poor quality opponents. The arrogance and ignorance of whoever is in charge of ticket pricing was exposed during the Spring Game debacle. I doubt OSU learns anything from that, however.
741 - Bingo You hit the nail on the head.
I know I'm one of the ones that allows them to get away with this move, but it's starting to get a little obnoxious. I'm fine with raising ticket prices with the market, but they should also be lowered by the market. FAMU really pissed me off last year. I don't care what the excuse was, it was a joke.
That home schedule sucked last year.
I commented in another thread that in terms of resources Ohio State Football has at it's disposal we are the relative equivalent of the New York Yankees. As such, if you are going to charge these prices, you better deliver championships. No excuses.
One championship in 45 years is not going to cut it.
I see significant potential for esophageal spasms in UFM's future. (I keed.)
Ah, good thinking Gene.
All I can do right now is just shake my head, Gene is lucky we have the fan base we do.
"So when you get knocked on your butt, get up, get over it, and then next time, kick their ass." - Woody Hayes
How much more elitist can this athletic department get? $70-80 per ticket is high but not totally unreasonable. However, $150 per ticket is shameful. If you want to keep jacking up the ticket prices for big games, at least lower the prices for seats in the upper deck.
See also http://www.forbes.com/sites/jesselawrence/2014/04/18/how-prices-for-brui...
I don't mind OSU cutting out most of the secondary market on a 7-8 game home season. I do mind paying the same price for a ticket at the top of D deck as for A deck. With the analytics available (especially partnered with Tickemaster) they should be doing a better job of variable pricing.
I'm sure the so-called "superfans" are incorporated, and since getting on TV, I mean cheering for the Buckeyes, is their business purpose, the tax deductions will be maxed out. One day, the Shoe will only house fat cat "businessmen" and "superfans". It'll look like this.
“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”
You know what those executives dream about out there behind their desks? They dream they're great rollerballers. They dream they're Jonathan; they have muscles, they bash in faces.
Great post on many levels.
I'm sure the so-called "superfans" are incorporated
You think so?
I've never seen that guy...who is he again?
Thank the Maker that I was born in Ohio, cradle of coaches, US Presidents, confederate-stomping Generals, and home of The Ohio State University Football Buckeyes- 2014 UNDISPUTED National Champions!
Fixed it for you
He has a freaking business card??
I made a thread about this a while back, but I saw him a few weeks ago at COSI in full cowboy gear... Made me want to punch him in the groin area.
And when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of boooooooooze!! And we'll drink to old Ohio 'till we wobble in our shoes.
He stopped by my sons football game once. Seemed pretty cool.
There is nothing more remarkable as learning to think better.
Does this mean ticket scalpers are going to sell tickets for $800?
The Ohio State University is the largest corporation in the state...at least until the new prez gets here.
*THE in bold just in case Herbstreit is trolling.
You can't diminish the secondary market by raising the face value of the tickets, unless you raise the face value of the tickets to at least the same price as they're worth on the secondary market. The secondary market doesn't care if Ohio State raises its prices from $70 to $95, or even $150. Those tickets are still going for $300-$600, even $1000s of dollars on the secondary market. Do you think a difference of $20-80 is going to matter to someone who's selling A-deck 50 yard line tickets to Ohio State-Michigan for $2000 a piece?
Ohio State wants more money. That's all. What they're going to recoup from the secondary market is pathetically small. And their crowd is going to shift more and more and more to corporate clients and rich old people. I guess that's why we're going to more night games, so that a large portion of the crowd that doesn't really give a sh*t about Ohio State football can have time to drink themselves into fanhood for a day?
Soon it'll cost more to attend an Ohio State-Maryland game than it does to get good seats for the Daytona 500.
[adds "sell plasma" to his weekly calendar]
There are no good seats at the Daytona 500. HEYOOOO!!!!
Frankly, this is some Gordon Gekko crap.
Don't think all of the people shelling out $150+ (and surely $300-$400 if not more for the UM game) will create the "inferno" Urbz is looking for. He can keep clamoring for a more hostile crowd, but all he has to do is look at the "average" fans who are getting priced out. And sorry, if you're making $50K, you're probably not incorporating or itemizing enough deductions to warrant the use of Schedule A for your 1040 (unless perhaps you're single, with low health care costs, and almost no debt....then maybe, maybe).
For most of the middle class, whether you (should) itemize is basically determined by whether you have a mortgage or not. I also have no problem with higher ticket face value for A deck, as secondary markets are already churning those for over face value easily. But when bad B/C/D deck tickets cost way more than secondary market value that is a problem. They really need variable pricing but with the donation level levers they already accomplish that in the season ticket market. The people who want to go to one game get screwed (or really just forced to use scalpers for less than face value and no ticketmaster fees).
Almost every other arena/stadium has variable pricing, based on where the seats are. It's really not a hard concept.
i really hope this ticket price hike doesnt affect the amount of people that come to the game (like the spring game). I would be embarassed to see empty seats at the shoe during a michigan game.
"You win with people." -Woody Hayes
I know I wouldn't pay $150 for an obstructed view or D deck seat. But I've been to my share of huge games where HD now sounds way better to me than nosebleeds for any $ amount.
My company had six Buckeye Club memberships for decades and it seemed like a good value until use of the secondary market became more prevalent. Buckeye Club membership were $2000 at the time which is over $100/game and considering that only gave you the right to buy 2 tickets it seemed crazy to continue. We took the money to the secondary market and doubled our ticket purchases on games our customers actually wanted to see. It's amazing to me that the consultant thought it wise to raise Buckeye Club costs but then there are a lot of companies that don't look that close at the bottom line.
We are simply cattle to be harvested.
At last year's prices I agree that the product would just have to be "good enough", but going forward it will have to be a playoff spot contender to justify the ticket prices and keep butts in seats. But with Urban here that won't be a problem most likely.
And this is why I may never get to see another game there. It wasn't too terrible as a student, but when a single ticket to one game could pay for the cable or satellite to watch all of them, no thanks.
Yeesh, I feel like I'm yelling at kids to get off my lawn when I was just in the student section a year and a half ago.
...and Michigan still sucks.
Dude, you could have taken a family of four to the FAMU game last year for under $100 buying tickets in the secondary market.
In 20 years football will be played on a soundstage in Burbank.
I took my alumni letter for the lottery out of the envelope, saw the price, told my daughter no game this year, and promptly shredded it.
I'll use the savings towards a bigger TV or surround sound system.
What Gene is cutting out are the middle class families who want to bring their kids. FUTURE buckeyes. He is cutting out the lifeblood of the school. Pretty soon the stadium will be like the superbowl, all the seats purchased by companies, for companies, with tailgates only to those within the "circle of trust."
Pretty shitty. I basically realized I will probably never set foot in the stadium again short of a couple more large promotions at my job. Just costs too much to travel there, plus tickets. I am ok saving up money for a car, or a tv, or a home repair, I am not ok with budgeting savings for a football game, but I am probably in the minority I guess.
I was pretty upset with that letter...
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best
Just to add to this, what Gene's pricing is going to do, is increase ticket sales at his competition's stadiums. I'll more then likely buy tickets to Wisconsin, or Illinois, or Indiana, or Nebraska, etc to see the game then I will be ever able to afford to do so in Columbus.
Sorry, still upset at that letter.
There are a lot of good points on here about who gets to buy the tickets and who gets priced out and I don't dispute any of them. As a fan, I hate the high ticket prices as much as everyone else, but I'm sure the University looks at this totally from a supply & demand perspective. Ticket prices will continue to rise until the point that folks stop buying them. With a fan base as large as TOSU's that may never happen therefore ticket prices will continue to balloon. Since it's a solid 9 hour drive to Columbus from my home it doesn't really impact me, but even if I was within a reasonable driving distance I would still rather watch from home for all of the reasons that many posters above have stated.
From an economic standpoint, there is almost no point in trying to go to The Game as an average alumnus. My opportunity cost in going to The Game, is probably about 3x overkill. Meaning, $150/ticket is insane to watch little dots move an invisible object up and down the only reasonably sized thing you can see in the stadium. I would much rather take the trip down to Cbus with my friends, go to Eddies or any other bar on campus, watch the game, get schwasted, have fun, walk around, and talk to people, than be asking the person next to me "What the hell just happened?" every 5 minutes, all for about 1/3 the cost. No thanks.
"I'm in favor of it" - John McKay, on the execution of his team.
My son & I have made a tradition of going to one game a year. We have our own little tailgate and head to The Shoe in time to watch Ramp. Being from the Cincy area the UC game looked like a nice little piece of smack down for one uppity in-state rival. Ticket prices appeared to starte at $70. Apparently those seats are gone and the really crap seats that are left start at $125. I'll be staying home this year unless some corporate type runs into me on the streets and offers me a piece of their tax subsidy.
"Without winners there wouldn't be any civilization." Woody Hayes
The view from my living room sofa just keeps getting better and better.
Does Ohio have a state income tax credit for contributions to public universities? My wife and I were boosters for the Oakland University Grizzlies(Rochester, Mich.) when they went D-1. The main reason was that we received a 50% state income tax CREDIT, in addition to the aforementiioned US income tax deduction.
In a word: no.
I dropped $305 for a club seat to see the Bucks play Navy in Balmer.
$150 for the UM game seems like a bargain.
I get the angst from people who live close enough to go to games in the Shoe...unfortunately/fortunately I've never been stationed close enough to Ohio to warrant the cost of travel, lodging, food AND the game ticket to see a game there. Am I sad, sorta, but I feel I get enough from TV and watching it from a distance. I'd say ticket prices to live sporting events (professional and major college at least) will always run into the hundred of dollars for families. I'm stationed in Washington state and went to an Oregon State/Hawaii game in Corvallis last season - sat in the end zone with good view lines, took 4 of 5 kids and had an overall cost of $700 (tickets, gas, food, programs, parking). I did it once....
OSU has stepped on a very slippery slope with ticket pricing. It seems as though there is just a push to make as much money as possible through ticket sales and donations instead of actually marketing the brand for the long term. The reason they are in a position to raise ticket prices is because of the success of the brand over the last 100+ years.
The OSU brand used to be identified with the ordinary working middle class Joe. Heck, when I was in school (early '70's) well through the 80's and into the 90's OSU was viewed as the champion of the middle class. The elitists were the M*chigans, USC's, Miami's, etc., - schools that perpetuated the upper crust elitism and tried to fill their stadiums with what could have been described as more socialites than true football fans. My concern about the new pricing scheme is that it will change the make up of who is actually in Ohio Stadium. You can pretty much be assured that the socialites who can afford to jump on the band wagon when the team is winning will be the first to jump off the wagon when times are not so good.
As Ramzy so eloquently pointed out in his last post about the spring game, it is important for the brand to succeed with the youngest fans in the community, for they will drive your success for the future. The every increasing ticket prices will drive away families and rabid fans. How will that hurt the brand going forward?
There are many 11Wers who are posting that they will not attend games this year because of the ticket price. As well as others who will not pay the fees to join the exclusive clubs (Buckeye and President's) club, while opting to buy tickets for the games they actually want on the secondary market. The net effect of this could be a loss of revenue for OSU over time.
My best advice to the University would be not to overtax the golden goose.
Dave Brandon saw this announcement and told his staff: "See, I told you we were on the right track."
This is one of the few articles from Ramzy that misses the bigger picture, which is that attendance at CFB games is declining slightly overall and the decline is dramatic in some cases with the student base.
The spring game should have sent a pretty clear message.... the core fan base at OSU is VERY keen on the price of the tickets.
THE THING that separates CFB (and CBB to a lesser extent) from all other major sports is the game day experience, and how that is translated to the media. Whether the athletes are "true" students or not is debatable. But there isn't much to debate about the fans.. they are either students at the school now, were students at the school before or in some way relate to the school and the students from outside... and live somewhat vicariously through the them. For example, Buckeye Nation loves the jump in Mirror Lake or Tiger Nation love Toilet Papering the trees in Toomers Corner whether they ever did it or not.
If jackasses like Gene Smith and the folks that run ESPN, CBS, Fox and BTN don't take special care to foster and ensure the stadiums are full, the students are included as part of the action and the tailgates are thriving.... CFB could become just another minor league sport
I think a lot of people are missing the satire.
While I realize that OSU athletics doesn't take money directly from the academic side, I think the hypocrisy is so sweet that most of the faculty and administration of universities drone on about evil, greedy corporations, social justice, etc... And yet, when "their" money and profits are on the line, it is amazing how closely their behavior mimics that of a profit maximizing enterprise. The same being true for tuition but that's another story entirely...
The bars around campus love this pricing though. In reality the people that get pushed out are the recent college grads that haven't had enough time in life to make disposable income. So they still go tailgating and to the bars for the experience. However in 20-30 years these will be the bread winners in the state. Hopefully OSU isn't alienating its fan base and creating generation after generation of fans who are perfectly content not being season ticket holders.
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It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
I have been to The Game 32 times. 16-15-1 is our record (thanks Urbz for giving me my first winning record). I will be there this year too. The higher price last year allowed me to buy through the michigan athletic department. (There were still tickets available two days before The Game, which was the last time I checked).and that probably saved me money. I have usually scalped tickets and have paid anything from face value to $400 (we lost that one). So I don't see that a higher face value will have a negative impact on what I pay.
I love watching on TV and I agree with those who say that these exaggerated prices fill the stands with people who sit on their hands. It's definitely the case. Michigan pumps in music throughout the game. Some stadiums pump in crowd noise. It makes up for the people who are just just sitting there because they are bored or overworked or too busy posting on Instagram or posing for a camera man to know what is happening on the field. I am not that guy. I prefer the student section actually and I don't like to sit. But being there -- being there -- when Troy Smith (michigan killer) came onto the field for senior day, when Gonzo caught that pass in Ann Arbor, when Earle won his last game or Tress won his first -- all those memories are richer because I was THERE.
TV and beer are nice and cheap and would give me more money I could spend on other stuff. Going to Eddie's to watch is always a good time. But I love being in The Shoe, putting my cellphone away for a few hours and enjoying the sport and the team that I am most passionate about.
I haven't submitted my alumni football ticket application the last 2 years and I probably never will again. This obscene money grab by OSU has really turned me off. I will always be a fan, but I really have no desire to pay $80 or more to watch us pummel the likes of Toledo, FAMU, etc. And now they want to charge secondary market rates for premium games? That is stepping over the ethical line. There will be a day in the not too distant future where that stadium has noticeably empty seats, and that will be a sad day for OSU.
Well done as usual Ramz. "self-taught unregistered pharmacists and/or distributors" made me laugh out loud.
Gene Smith's accountant
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Wife and I are looking to attend our first game in the Shoe this year. A night game seems like a can't miss. Ticketmaster has Cincinnati tickets starting around $150 a pop.
Any suggestions on where to purchase a ticket at a reasonable price? Or is that as good as it gets for a night game...?
If you are talking about the ticketmaster secondary market that is likely just the asking price that a couple people have put on their tickets. The secondary market should be more active closer to the game. I would think Cincinnati should be easy to get/scalp C deck tickets at face value but I might be naive here.
I'm in my sixth year as a Buckeye Club member and it's the best money I spend all year. I get 7 or 8 days on campus, tailgaiting, and in the shoe for less than 3 grand total including tix. Better than a week on the beach IMHO, and the donation to the Buckeye Club helps student athletes, win win.
I quit going to games a few years ago when the tickets prices jumped, it costs way too much. My only chance was getting scalped tickets (which obviously will rise in price too), otherwise it was Riverwatch to watch the game, which is not a bad option, you feel like you are there, and it doesn't cost a dime other than the beer... What the University will gain in tickets sales, they will lose in future licensed merchandise sales, as new fans will find other things to do on saturdays, less fans, means less sales, which means increased prices in other things - When does it stop?
"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra
Go away Gene Smith. You truly suck.