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yrro's picture

"want to consider other schools so I am decommitting from Ohio State."
Translated: "After seeing how visiting recruits are treated on campus, I want to sample the party scene and fine ladies at as many campuses as possible."

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Devin1024's picture

Happy birthday Woodrow!  What I wouldn't give to shake his hand and talk to him for even a minute. (Well I would probably just end up listening for that minute)

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gwalther's picture

Re: dunk contests link: Jordan - GOAT.

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BuddhaBuck's picture

Just another reason why Jordan > LeBron.

Don't text while driving.

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cplunk's picture

LeBron is currently the best player, his stats look great, and he's going to be among the all time greats....but it isn't even close. MJ was so much better.

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German Buckeye's picture

Sorry to disagree - MJ in his prime would lose to LeBron now.  LeBron is bigger, faster and stronger, just as athletic AND a much better ball handler. His stats for shooting % are equal or better now.  It would be a good one on one game, but LeBron is a better player.  I will take a lot of beef on this but it's my opinion. 

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cplunk's picture

Bigger, stronger, faster, yes, better ball handler yes. Doesn't matter. Nobody beats Jordan in his prime.
You're welcome to disagree- it is opinion after all. My eyes saw what they saw, and there is no way LeBron is a better player. I don't really compare in terms of if they played one-on-one, because that never happens. The NBA isn't one on one.
Give Jordan the Heat and give LeBron the Heat, and Jordan's team wins. Give LeBron the Bulls of the 90's and give Jordan the Bulls of the 90's, and Jordan's team wins. Nobody had his drive and will coupled with his ability. He'd crack LeBron's spirit like an egg, and the guys with Jordan would just play better than they would playing with LeBron. Jordan was more competitive than any athlete in any sport, ever.
Just my opinion, can't be proved obviously. You're welcome to differ, and I respect your opinion.

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Andy Vance's picture

I find this discussion fascinating (speaking as a non-Jordan fan - I much preferred the Lakers and Celtics under Johnson and Bird to the Bulls under MJ), and heard a really good back and forth on the subject on Bishop & Rothman today...
I can't tell you which of the two guys made the point, but he said Jordan really came along at the perfect time to become an international brand - he's really not all that likable as a guy, and I personally wonder if he'd be such a "star" if his exploits were occurring today in the 24-hour social media universe (affairs, gambling, that Hall of Fame speech, for examples).
Anyway, the guys made the case that he was definitely great - no question - but that he came along after Johnson and Bird had reignited interest in the NBA after a hard-fought decade of Celtics/Lakers championship seasons, Jordan had Nike behind him creating this uber-celebrity aura, and the Bulls were stacked with unbelievable talent at a time when the league added four teams and imported a lot of European players, sometimes to the detriment of having quality opponents.
In other words, as they summarized, Jordan won six rings - hats off to that. Would he have won six rings versus the Lakers and Celtics and Pistons, Sixers, etc., of the decade prior to his arrival? Good question.

William's picture

I have to agree with you. I'm of the opinion that there have been several better players than Jordan in NBA history (Russell, Robertson, Johnson and Bird to name a few), although I will agree he is the greatest SG in NBA history with Kobe being his only challenger. I agree that if Jordan had played against the Johnson-led Lakers and the Bird-led Celtics while they were in their prime, he wouldn't have won as many rings, but he didn't so there's that. I also agree to the poster that stated Jordan would lose to LeBron in a 1-on-1 game. LeBron is bigger, stronger, taller, just as fast and has a better inside game, while at best having a slightly worse if not equal outside game. It would be a mismatch for Jordan to guard LeBron, and I'm not a fan of LeBron by any means. 

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

LeBron has a better inside game? This world is taking crazy pills. There were plenty of players that were bigger, and stronger than MJ, that couldn't stop him.

Neither Magic or Bird were the defender that MJ was. I don't see how any player you just named was better than MJ.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Get well soon Mrs.Naut 6-0 > 3-6.

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BuckeyeinSECcountry's picture

I am of the mind that karem is the greatest of all time

Glory lies beyond the horizon, challenge the unattainable, speak of conquest and make it real.

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Andy Vance's picture

Yes, yes, 1,000 times yes.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I'd take Hakeem or maybe even Wilt(as far as centers go).

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Get well soon Mrs.Naut 6-0 > 3-6.

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Doc's picture

It's easy to forget how good MJ really was.  He was a Hoss.

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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Doc's picture

Happy Birthday Coach Hayes!  Thank you!

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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Doc's picture

Urban said last week if they verbally commit you were in there top three.  Let the fun begin!

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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craigfling's picture

Woody died about a month after his birthday. On his birthday that year he came into the OSU Faculty Club and was served a birthday cake. I was working there but some other waiter got to serve him his cake. I remember him stopping by the dorm impromptu my freshman year also and was just hanhing out and talking to students in the lobby one evening. I still have a couple copies of Lanterns from the day he died in a box somewhere.

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81Alum's picture

Happy Birthday, Woody!!!
It feels like only yesterday - the day I saw him. It was Spring 1980, after the excitement of Earle's 11-1 first season, where we were a Charles White late touchdown and a point away from winning the national championship. I came out of the Math department after class, and there he was, standing under a tree. In those days, a year after being fired, nobody paid much attention to him, students hurrying to their next class, and he was all alone. I went up, shook his hand, wished him well, and went to my next class without a second thought - no autograph, just the handshake. Now, so many years later, I wish I'd spent more time with him.
The humblest, most gracious man I've had the pleasure of meeting.

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Denny's picture

Coaches don't have to guarantee students that they'll still be at the school when the recruit arrives, or that they won't look around for another job. Demanding that the recruits not look around once they give a (non-binding) verbal is sanctimonious horseshit. 

Taquitos.

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hodge's picture

Agreed. Though I do think that there should be a week-long "early signing period" that happens like nine months before signing day; especially if these "free-for-all" rules wind up implemented.

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Denny's picture

A football version of early decision? Not a horrible idea (though the guys who enroll in spring semester kind of already do that.

Taquitos.

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BucksfanXC's picture

I get this point of view. But it's not that heartless, or at least it doesn't have to be in execution. If a kid is still shopping around, the school should have the right to do the same. But the coach can't go around saying I have a spot for you IF so-and-so decides to go elsewhere. That won't sell well, at least not to highly coveted kids. So you have to know if you have a spot or not. Like Chris says above, if you aren't sure and want to look around, understandable, just do it before you commit.
Another point is that even if you have the Texas or UofM policy of counting them as uncommitted for taking visits, it doesn't mean they pulled the offer and you can't commit again after looking around. IF the spot is still there that is.
It's a lot of pressure on both sides. The kids are making this life altering decision at a young age with all these people trying to pull them in different directions. The coaches are trying to live up to their reputations. Just look at how recruits are treated by the fan bases on Twitter when they commit and/or de-commit. And look how the coaches are viewed by us based on a recruiting class.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

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Maestro's picture

Schools with the no-visits-post-commitment policy are paranoid and delusional IMHO.

vacuuming sucks

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Phoenix824's picture

I read the comments by Brown and Knox and think both are kind of right.    IMO once a recruit commits he should have a four year scholarship -  not this one year stuff and oversigning you read about where they end up gray shirting a guy who does not think he is getting a gray shirt but at that point other schools should not able to take the kid on a offical visit.    Now you can't stop anyone from visiting another campus on his own dime but schools should not be able to give someone a free trip somewhere.  
Offer four years - when someone commits to it they get four years of free education.   It can't be pulled because a better recruit come along.    If you are committed and want to look around de-commit and look around.
A scholarship offer should mean something and so should a commitment.   Right now both are like a engagment ring rather than a wedding ring.

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JeffCoBuck's picture

"I found them all the way through college and in football: bigger, faster, harder.  They were smarter people than I.  But you know what they couldn't do?  They couldn't outwork me."
I like this quote so much that I tweaked it (just a little, to remove the football references) and put it on the back of my team's wrestling t-shirts a few years back, to motivate our guys to be willing to put in the extra work.  Happy birthday, Woody!  I work in the school district that holds the distinction of being the first place that Woody ever coached (as an assistant), and until we recently moved into a brand new building, I worked in the same building where Woody once walked and worked!

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hodge's picture

Happy one-hundredth, Woodrow. Here's hoping that your fear-inducing lisp is still living up to its name in the Great Beyond.

You were an irascible sonofabitch, but you'll always be our irascible sonofabitch. 

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nvbuckeye's picture

Luv that: "but you will always be out irascible sonofabitch".  Perfect way to describe how those of us who lived and suffered through the most amazing 3 decades of Ohio State football remember Coach Hayes.  Long live our love and memories of a great man and his principles.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Happy Birthday Coach Hayes. We all love you :)

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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BuddhaBuck's picture

Mack Brown's whining is pathetic. It's sort of ironic that he doesn't want players to be able to visit other places or look around, and yet, coaches (who are bound by executed legal contracts) can always be looking and leave on a moment's notice. 
The solution: the NCCA should institute an early signing period in college football (a la basketball).
Speaking of basketball, Slam Thompson v. Oladipo v. Robinson III in a dunk contest por favor. 
Oh, and happy 100th birthday Coach Woody Hayes. I'll be enjoying some WOODford tonight. Neat. 

Don't text while driving.

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Michael Citro's picture

I'll take Slam Thompson against the field in the mythical dunk contest. Yeah, I've seen Oladipo. Still think Sam's the man.

With no one guarding him, I think Stauskas wins the 3-point contest.

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Jdadams01's picture

This. Thompson's vertical and hang time are just stupid.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Nice skully, Chris!
Great job honoring Woody's 100th birthday, which is a more serious subject than is sometimes introduced in the skully (e.g., food porn).
And you still had time/space to smartly delve into several other interesting topics. 

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Chris Lauderback's picture

Thanks. I appreciate the feedback.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Picture from the 1946 detonation of a 23 kiloton nuclear bomb at 90 feet below the ocean's surface.

Thanks for that. I loved learning about this type of stuff when I was younger. I have the same fascination with Tornadoes.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Get well soon Mrs.Naut 6-0 > 3-6.

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Baroclinicity's picture

I'm late to this party, but that picture is epic.  I was fortunate enough to do a project in grad school 14 years ago that put me out in the Marshall Islands (Kwajalein) for two months, where the Prinz Eugen rests - capsized and sunk.  It was the German sister ship the Bismarck that the British captured, sold to us, and we used it in two of these A-Bomb tests after WWII.  Good snorkeling with lots of fish (and no, it's not radioactive).

Priority #1:  Beat Michigan

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Lucky.

Haha. I was just about to ask you if it were radioactive.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Get well soon Mrs.Naut 6-0 > 3-6.

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albinomosquito's picture

Woody was a legend, but the legend of a previous generation.  I was 6 months old when he died.  Who are the legends of our generation?  Tress? Urban?  It's already fun to look back on the JT years (sans 2009/2010) but I can only hope that 50 years from now we'll be looking back on what Urban accomplished with the same kind of respect and admiration that we currently shower on Woody.

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I was 3 when he died.

I would say in the eyes of Ohio State fans, yes, JT is a legend. He took Ohio State to 3 national championship games, won 6 bowl games(5 BCS), won 7 BigTen championships, went 9-1 against M*chigan, and won 10 or more games in 8 of his 10 seasons at tOSU.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Get well soon Mrs.Naut 6-0 > 3-6.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

From a Woody 100 celebration (Facebook) page:

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BucksfanXC's picture

Happy Birthday Woody. Gonna celebrate by working my ass off today.
Love the banner too.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I wish I could honor Woody today with hard work, but I'm just not wired that way.
Today is also Jimmy Hoffa's birthday. I'll celebrate by mysteriously vanishing from my office.

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hodge's picture

Just try to avoid stumbling into any wood-chippers, deal?

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Good advice.
Actually, I probably don't have to worry about that. The other people in my office are too lazy to use a wood chipper, which involves old-school brute labor.
Instead, the job of removing my body will get kicked around from one bureaucrat to the next. Finally, seven days and 19 emails later, someone will write a memo and the wheels of progress will jump (yeah, right) into motion. 

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Andy Vance's picture

They couldn't outwork me.  I ran into opposing coaches who had much better backgrounds than I did and knew a lot more about football than I did.  But they couldn't work as long as I did.  They couldn't stick in there as long as I could.  You can outwork anybody.
And I had a great, great association with my coaches.  No one ever had better people than I did.  Or better football players, and we outworked our opponents. 

Does this sound like any other Ohio State head football coach you know? Oh, say one who just went 12-0 and assembled his second Top-5 recruiting class in a row?

CowCat's picture

"and we outworked our opponents":
Sounds like this guy and his strength coach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2d8JjMrNw4
 

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Happy Birthday Woody!!!  You inspired my father to be the man he was which most certainly impacted my life as well!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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Pam's picture

Woody was a guest in our home a number of times when I was growing up. He and my dad were friends and I remember how they would sit in the backyard with some other men from our neighborhood. One of the men, Bill Moore, was the city desk editor of the Citizen Journal who Woody often called to yell at if he thought they didn't get a story right. Bob Greene worked at the CJ as an intern and often got the brunt of Woody's wrath before Bill took the call. Greene talks about it in his book " Be True to Your School: A Diary of 1964" I was too young to know or care who Woody was, but I do remember how big his laugh was. My mom would say "My stars, that man is loud"  Wish I had paid more attention, but as an 11 year old girl I had better things to do on a Sunday in the summer.  "The Wonder Years" (sigh)

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater's picture

That is awesome.   And you are forgiven for not understanding the magnitude of having Woody literally in your back yard at age 11.
And Pam - I like your calls in to Bull and Fox on 92.3, heard you the other day and you had some very insightful stuff to say (can't remember specifics now, but recall knowing it was you).  You always represent us OSU fans very well.

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Pam's picture

I highly recommend Bob Greene's book to anyone who wants to read about growing up in Cols. in the 60's. He grew up in Bexley.
Thank you on the calls. I was on the other day when they were talking about whether Buckeye fans prefer the rivalry when UM is good and my opinion was absolutely. I have a great time talking with those guys. I call in to Bishop and Rothman on 97.1 sometimes as well. I am happy to rep the Buckeyes!

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Poison nuts's picture

Wow - lucky you!

Get busy living.

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Grayskullsession's picture

We really dont need the drama with these commits and decommits three days later. If thats how this kid rolls im not sure I want him back in Columbus. We got burnt by Lewis Neal and Alex Anzalone last year. I want kids who are ready to be Buckeyes, not the ones who have one foot in and one foot out.

"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."

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BucksfanXC's picture

I'm not going to downvote you, but I will comment to say that is an awful way to look at it. If the kid comes back to C-bus, we should welcome him with open arms. Let him enjoy the process, take his time and do what he needs to do to make what may be the biggest decision of his life so far.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

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Grayskullsession's picture

Feel free to downvote me if you want. I understand that whenever I post I am susceptible to downvotes if someone disagrees with my opinion.
While my opinion may seem harsh to you and some others on this forum I will still stand by it. I hate people who waffle, whether it be a 17 year old kid (I dont think 17 year olds are kids by any sense) or a 45 year old. I would rather them not commit at first and evaluate all their options and make an informed decision and then commit, rather than them commit on the spot out of emotion and decommit later. Thats my stance on it and I will not apologize for my opinion.

"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."

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81Alum's picture

I share your opinion. Take all the visits you want, before commiting. Think of it this way - Recruits really need to feel the "Our Honor Defend..." in their hearts, that's the only way they'll play like their "Hair's on Fire".

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hail2victors9's picture

So you don't think kids should be allowed to visit another school once they commit?

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!

~Bo Schembechler

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faux_maestro's picture

If they want to commit then decommit they should just not commit. Not that hard of a concept.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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Grayskullsession's picture

@Hail: I know what you are getting at and Im not biting. Committing and decommitting, and committing then visiting other schools is two different scenarios. You can be committed to a school but still be curious and visit other schools, much like many Glenville prospects have done in the past. Committing and then decommitting means you arent vested at all into the University.

"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."

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thatlillefty's picture

Happy bday Woody. His days were before my time but to echo Chris' thoughts, I still appreciate his contributions to the program. Ohio State football likely wouldn't be where it is today without him.
S/O to Chris for always bringing it with the post-skully links.

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Maestro's picture

Wrestling..........not for me.

vacuuming sucks

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Ethos's picture

all you have to do when thinking about telling recruits they can't look elsewehre if they commit, is take a look at the schools/coaches that are implementing those rules.  Mack Brown, Hoke, jerks and has-beens.

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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BucksfanXC's picture

Some people think non-commitable offers are jerk-ish. "We'd love to have you, as a backup option in case who we really want doesn't end up here." It's just the way the system is. As long as everyone is honest with each other, than it doesn't matter which way you do it, no-vists vs. non-commitable offers. It's a numbers game, full of harsh realities either way. But just be honest and and up front. If the student isn't sure they are commited, that can be fine as long as they understand the school may not be able to hold a spot for them for too long. I'm sure with some super recruits it's a bit different, like we'll always keep a spot for a Vonn Bell, Dontre Wilson and we'll tell other guys we'll take them if we strike out on those super stars.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

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Poison nuts's picture

Happy Birthday Woody! 
Slam is the man. 
Valentines day?? I gotta go get the Mrs a card or something...

Get busy living.

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GoBucks713's picture

This day is always celebrated as the Birthday of a Legend in my house. Happy Woody Hayes day to all, and to all, go for three even when you can only go for two!

-The Aristocrats!

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

It would be awesome if these kids fully vetted the schools they were interested in prior to verbalizing their commit - however, these are 17 - 18 year old kids! It is a fact of life and although I would love to have him on the Buckeyes - but if he is not fully committed to playing for Urban Meyer in Columbus Ohio, then I wish him well for we will most certainly be able to fill that spot with somebody who is absolutely sure they want to be on this team!

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ARMYBUCK's picture

God Bless Woody Hayes and his family.  Happy 100 Woody!

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Baroclinicity's picture

Happy 100th, Woody!

Priority #1:  Beat Michigan

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Dr. House's picture

That guy was a hell of a man
Well I guess to honor Woody today I'll be watching Michigan vs. Ohio State: The Rivalry. I always am amazed at how much admiration Bo had for Woody. The story Bo tells of Woody about not taking no for answer just shows of how much of a man he was, He truly cared about the game, the kids he Coached, the University and most importantly his friends. 
Granted I get the feeling while Woody and Bo were coaching across from each other they wanted to kill on another. It seemed like one of those lifelong friendships that only stopped when they were prepping and coaching and those couple weeks after the game but lets say for 40 weeks out of the year they were friends.
I am really digging the shots Urban and Flounder have taken we as fans can only hope the games are intense with trips to the Big Ten title game and hopefully a national championship. I get the feeling Woody would have loved the direction the program is going with Urban at the helm. 
Happy Birthday Woody and Go Buckeyes

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osubuckeye4life's picture

I've always admired Mr. Woodrow Hayes and always will. 
I celebrate "Woody Hayes Day" by tossing an old orange yard flag out my door.
Always love you Mr. Hayes! RIP
 
In a B1G dunk contest I gotta go with SLAM!!!!!!!!!!! Kid can pracctically levitates in the air.
 
The NBA slam dunk contest has not been much for the last few years. Griffin was fun to watch. Ever since I saw Lebron in the Mcdonalds All American contest I wanted to see him in a dunk contest. (every dunk he was nearly eye level with the rim and came close to hitting his head against it) However, I don't see that ever happening. 
 
I remember watching the classic MJ ones. Those were awesome! I still remember when Spud Webb won also. Definitely, some classic contests.
 
 
 

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acBuckeye's picture

If you're worried about getting injured playing football, don't play football. Enough with the "player safety" rules.
A teenager should be allowed to look at other schools for as long as he wants up until his signing of his NLOI deadline, whether he's verbally committed or not. Mack Brown needs to shut up.

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