Ok Someone Help Me out Here on This One About Uche from TTUN.

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Grouchy_Old_Vet's picture

Their delusions are pretty entertaining most of the time. Like a train wreck, you just can't look away.

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Urban Achiever's picture

Isolationist groupthink coping mechanisms.

Anyone from outside their circles would be flabbergasted by the opinions, but those unfortunate souls that are stuck in that world grasp to whatever they can and don't realize how far gone they are.

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

Exactly. There's a classic book about an apocalyptic cult called When Prophecy Fails that offers some insight into the psychology of Michigan fans. It describes how when the cult's prediction that the world would end on a particular date failed to come true, its members actually became *more* convinced that they could accurately predict the apocalypse, rather than becoming disillusioned with the "prophecy." Similarly, the more Michigan's savior head coach and heralded prospects fail to get the job done against OSU, the fans become even more certain that they have the superior program and will win the next matchup. It's both pathetic and fascinating to witness.

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OSU56's picture

Their just a dumpster fire out of control....

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I mean, you can't blame them for trying to find some optimism, but they just aren't on the Buckeyes level right now, and I don't think they'll ever get there. They are behind, and they continue to lag farther and farther.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Darksungm's picture

Run - I agree. Its easy to auto-bash Michigan but you can't blame them for optimism. Sometimes it crosses into delusional but I try not to come down on people and players who love their team.

God bless and go Bucks.

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Uche. The September Heisman winner. 

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NHBuckeye's picture

Come hear Uche John's Band, playing to the tide..

Fields of Dreams

 

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Earle's picture

Uche gotta be kidding me.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Hey man, that was a great tune by Jimmy Buffett.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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Earle's picture

Is that the one with the Uchelele solo?

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Gratefulbuck's picture

And the Indigo girls. And CSN

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IslandBumBuckeye's picture

& Y

"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Shocked you’ve heard of these guys. Damn good cover band, been playing for a long time. :-)

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Open uche of your earballs watch the eyes

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toad1204's picture

This one's turned into a Greatful jam band thread.  Might as well uche it down.

The offseason is the longest season.

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Uche it or edit it, I don’t care

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IslandBumBuckeye's picture

How does the song go?

"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."

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IslandBumBuckeye's picture

Can't see shit for all the cannonballs in the way...

"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Their motto is don’t tread on me

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saintstephen11's picture

Come here uncle John man

not playing for the Tide

Got some things to talk about

You should be playing for the Buckeyes

<Mods please move this to recruiting> /s 

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NHBuckeye's picture

Twas my fault....  sorry.

Fields of Dreams

 

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flying-banana's picture

Daddy always said never email your boss while drunk or angry, while we're not Airbuckeye's boss I think I understand what he was trying to tell me.

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Hovenaut's picture

Uche goodbye, and I say hello.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

They also had a blog post over there about a possible recruit they are going after that is ranked like 1287 in the country.  So there's that.

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PhillyNut's picture

Wish I knew how to embed a gif but seems like Bill Murray's character in Caddyshack talking about getting words of advice from the dalai lama and having that going for him is appropriate.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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PhillyNut's picture

Thanks!

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Josh Uche is a DE for them.  Good player, yes.  Chase Young, he most certainly is not.  LOL

Class of 2010.

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Earle's picture

Josh, the facts, ma'am.

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CincyBuck's picture

Yeah, Uche's a promising prospect.  I wouldn't hate if the Bengals took him in the right spot.  He is not Chase Young.

Though Shea Patterson "playing himself into the 2nd Round" is, by far, the dumber statement.  Hilarious.  There are plenty of competent NFL QB prospects who go in Rounds 5-7.  Patterson is far from a competent NFL QB prospect.  Based on talent and performance, I have to think the odds are he goes undrafted.

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NewPhilaFan's picture

There are plenty of competent NFL QB prospects who go in Rounds 5-7.

TTUN even had one of those dudes go in round 6 about 20 years ago and he had/has a nice career.

Let's Go Bucks

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Extramedium's picture

Had.. if he ends up on another team he's going to be eaten alive.  And whoever replaces him in NE is going to magically go 12-3.

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TigerSweat's picture

I'd be surprised if he gets drafted at all.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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PhillyNut's picture

Guessing these are the same people who were thinking Rashan Gary would outshine Nick Bosa.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Buckabroad's picture

Rashan Gary. Talk about a testament to awful coaching. Has a coaching staff ever done less with so much potential? 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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MaineStrength's picture

I think his first year in the NFL is showing more that's just who he is...a great athlete, but not the elite football player once expected as a recruit.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Nutinpa's picture

Siete, Uche, Nueve, Diez !

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IslandBumBuckeye's picture

"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."

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Thomas Walter's picture

It is cute that they use Buckeye players as their measuring stick.

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Spartan13's picture

As a Bengals fan of Uche gets to the top of the third I would be ok with grabbing him. He is a rare athlete in that he is a hybrid between defensive end and linebacker who is athletic enough to cover while being big enough to be a productive rush end. Late second is where he is projected

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Dstacify's picture

I definitely see a lot of Carl Lawson-like potential with Uche. He'd definitely be a good depth piece to have for sure.

11 Strong.

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cricejr's picture

While going to their site to find this post, I came across this:

Regarding not being able to beat OSU:

Could it be coaching? Could it be the players?

“I think it’s a combination of the both,” Bush said. "Obviously I was there, but I just felt like we need the right mentality. We need to walk into that game and not be like, ‘OK, I hope Ohio State don’t show up today.’

“Nah, it’s like we gotta go in there and we got to take it.”

“We had a lot of guys come out and go to the NFL and be good, and still playing,” Bush said. “We had NFL talent at Michigan. It’s just the mentality at Michigan."

Bush continued: “It’s like we’ve got to win one. Sometimes I think people get stuck in that hole.”

Well that's not great.

These idiot fans can say what they want but when the players themselves are pinning their only hope on Ohio State not showing up for the game, that lets you know just where they know they are as a program and in the rivalry, and Bush was one of their best players!!!

I bleed scarlet...literally

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MaineStrength's picture

I think he's right.  They did have NFL talent.  The problem is just not enough.  I'm sure guys like Bush believe they can win.  But, they don't have enough of those guys and they don't have one at the most position (QB).  I think it's as simple as they don't have as much talent.  

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I had never heard of this guy before this thread.

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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Dstacify's picture

Uche is a former LB who they moved to DE (because their depth on the D-line was obviously awful this past season) and he happened to improve his draft stock with that move. I'm not going to rag on them too much for that decision since we're doing the same thing now with Cade Stover (and probably should've done it with Dante Booker in 2018). He's a talented player but to say he's better than Chase Young is just laughable. I suppose they also think Nick Bosa is overrated up north despite what he's doing in SF right now.

11 Strong.

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Bucknutfern619's picture

Those window lickers are reaching. Remember when they said Soggy Taco was supposed to be better than J Bosa?

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buckinmich's picture

Typical Michigan bombastic rhetoric.  They take a decent player, and Uche is, and compare him to one of the greatest of all time.   This *fill in the blank* is going to be better than Michael Jordan, Jack Nicklaus, or Kareem Abual-Jabbar.   It's also called puffery.  It's all they have to sustain themselves.  Well, that and they still have a rapidly diminishing all time win record versus Ohio State.  For some reason, they still count games when college football was played by club teams, the forward pass was illegal, and they played without face masks.  (Which explains why Michigan men still look like they are closer to ogres than men.)

An occasional visit to mgobarf is usually worth several hours of amusing quotes and hilarious entertainment, especially after a heart breaking loss.  It's the only place I know where every coach who leaves will be replaced by a better one. Every recruiter who leaves will be replaced by a better one. Every player who leaves will be replaced by a better one and on the rare occasion where they miss on a 'must get', well... they didn't want him anyway or the Bama/Clemson/tOSU/LSU/Georgia money men got him.

Just be careful you don't actually comment or refute their outrageous claims, or God forbid, criticize Harbaugh.  You will be called a troll, tarred and feathered, and banished from the site. 

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MaineStrength's picture

Just be careful you don't actually comment or refute their outrageous claims, or God forbid, criticize Harbaugh.  You will be called a troll, tarred and feathered, and banished from the site. 

There is a solid group of folks there that no longer support JH, the recruiting, Brown, etc.  They may not actively dislike him, but they are ready for a change.  I think many UM fans are coming to terms with the fact that JH and his staff are good, but not great coaches and have a number of shortcomings that will prevent them from ever being an elite team under his watch.  

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Sanantonefan's picture

Wash up with soap and hot water after returning from those cesspools please.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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OSU56's picture

Wash up with soap and hot water after returning from those cesspools please.

and don't forget the disinfectant.

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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chibucks's picture

Re:  Shea Patterson

I watched the Senior Bowl and while, he did have a nice 75 yard touchdown pass to a WIDE OPEN running back coming out of the backfield to a blown assignment - he was inconsistent.  Some passes looked great and then he threw some terrible ducks out there...  on his interception, he wasn't touch, but just threw a terrible ball.  I'm not sure how that warrants a 2nd round pick, but who knows...  doesn't seem to have the arm strength as I watched some sideline throws almost fall into the defender's hands, but then again, I'm not an professional evaluator of talent either, just a fan of the game.

http://www.nfl.com/m/share?p=%2Fvideos%2Fnfl-draft%2F0ap3000001099007%2FKindle-Vildor-hauls-in-Shea-Patterson-s-overthrow-for-INT

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MaineStrength's picture

he was inconsistent.  Some passes looked great and then he threw some terrible ducks out there

That's Shea for ya.  He has good arm talent and can move well, but is not a good decision maker and sometimes throws really off target balls for reasons unknown.  I don't see him getting drafted.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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rdalchemy's picture

This all brings me back to my favorite TTUN joke. 

At the end of every football season, why does Hairball have the whole team sit in front of an open window?

It's the only way they'll ever experience being in a draft.

Zbuddha

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I don't remember hearing his name being called in any game he played vs OSU. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Hovenaut's picture

I actually looked up highlight videos of him on YouTube to determine how his last name is scheduled.

Probably viewed three different clips, probably near a minute on each one, and not one mention of his name (but still HIS highlight video).

Presumptuous, Uche?
 

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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Bug08's picture

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Mr. Uche will NOT have a better career than Winovich but I'll also say that the odds of that happening are far better than Patterson going anywhere near round 2 in the draft. The ganja must be really, REALLY good up north!

Ray

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Larryp713's picture

Uche is a good player and may be very good, but that is some delusional pondering over there at MGoneBlew.

Respectfully,

Larryp713

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MaineStrength's picture

I'm not sure what you're looking for help on.  Why do people on the internet say dumb things?  Well, good luck finding the answer to that one.  Regarding Uche, he is a really good pass rusher.  On UM's defense he didn't really have an every down role in 2018.  He was a situational pass rusher.  In 2019 they found a way to get him on the field on every down because he was one of their best deferders by playing the SAM linebacker.  He's a 6'2" 250ish.  He had 8.5 sacks in 2018 and 7 in 2019.  He's not Chase Young by any stretch of the imagination and is also not a DE.  He was a 2nd team all conference player.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Gratefulbuck's picture

So does his name rhyme with yuck, hoochie, yuke or dookie? Clutch isn’t an option. :-) 

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Hovenaut's picture

Clutch is always an option...

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There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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airbuckeye's picture

That was not meant to be a dumb question so I don't how you came to that. I was asking for a reason I have never heard his name called in any games I watched to see them lose or hoped like hell they would lose. So that's why I aske the question because I did not know who the hell this player even was. I don't even remember seeing his name come up on their 2nd grade site which at times you have to guess what the hell there even saying because some of the text are unreadable over there. But that site is good for a laugh when they lose a game and get to enjoy how they come with every excuse known to man...

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MaineStrength's picture

I don't know why you don't know his name other than he didn't do much against OSU. His best game this year was again Illinois where he had 3 sacks. He had one against PSU this year and two against them last year. He also had a good game against MSU last year two sacks. He was second team all conference, but if you didn't follow UM that closely I can see that you wouldn't know him because he wasn't a big recruit and was a situational pass rusher last year and didn't play much the year before and RSed his freshman year.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Earle's picture

Uche tomayto, I che tomahto.

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Buckeye_Condor's picture

make me think of Duche de Luche you know the ice cream flavor? seems fitting.

Connor Brown

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Earle's picture

Definitely does not rhyme with dupe.

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stantmann's picture

Uche don't think so

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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cajunbuckeye's picture

Couldn't...stop...reading

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

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blu.fan's picture

Smh. 

  1. OSU has an elite college football team. Michigan does not. And this isn't likely to change anytime soon.
  2. Uche will play in the NFL. But Uche is nowhere near as good as Chase Young.
  3. Patterson sucks. He didn't improve his stock at the Senior Bowl. Don't know why he was invited.
  4. It's the off season, so people have to talk about something. Basketball at 3 - 6 sucks at both Michigan and OSU. Which hurts more at Michigan since we're-a-basketball-school now.
  5. I don't mind you guys dissing Michigan. It's deserved. And that's what rival fanbases are supposed to do. But the OP would best heed fellow OSU fans and avoid posting while drunk.

EDIT:  Regarding number 1, the whole college D-1 football set up is a mess. You can be glad that along with Clemson, Bama, LSU, and maybe Oklahoma, you are one of the elite teams. However, I really wonder if this is good for the sport. Most of the 5 star talent is going to gravitate to an elite team. Without the talent, the other 100 teams . . . what are they playing for? I mean, there's love of the game and all, but right now, most kids want to play for one of those teams, and everyone else, including Michigan, picks up the scraps. Obviously, the occasional player will play much better than their 3 star ranking. And the occasional 5 star kid will be a bust. But the whole bowl game think is devalued. At least in college basketball, although there are elites, more teams have a chance to break through. Football? Not so much.  I realize that college football is basically semi-pro ball. Still, with at least the veneer of classes, it is difficult to expand the playoffs much more. And even if you did, it wouldn't matter. If the playoff had been 8 teams, or 16 teams, the top 4 teams still would have won and ended up in the final four teams playing. This is partly sour grapes:  I realize that. But I really do think that right now, the football games and recruiting is a mess that benefits you and a handful of others. This gradually lessens the interest of others, and is not good for the sport.

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Wargor's picture

I don't know. Only two schools have won championships in the 2000's with different coaches.  Alabama wasn't a perennial power before Saban (in recent times), nor was Clemson.  FSU is currently shit, despite success with Bowden and Jimbo.  USC isn't in the mix, nor Texas.  Florida might be crawling its way back into the top after a decade in the wilderness.  

Really, only OSU and Oklahoma have consistently challenged at the top level for the better part of the last two decades with multiple coaches.  So as frustrating as it is to watch teams like Clemson or Alabama rack up the hardware, they're likely one coaching change away from a slip.  

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blu.fan's picture

I kind of get what you're saying. But you miss part of what I'm saying. The playoffs started in 2015. That's six years with a playoff. I'm suggesting that the existence of the playoff radically changed things. The teams who were elite in 2015 largely have stayed elite. Here are the numbers of times teams have been in the playoffs:

  • Five times:  Alabama
  • Four times:  Clemson
  • Three times:  Oklahoma
  • Two times:  Ohio State
  • Once:  LSU, ND, Georgia, Washington, FSU, Oregon, Michigan State.

I would argue that Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and OSU, with maybe LSU, Georgia, and Oregon a half step behind, are "elite." And I'd further argue that this is hardly changing. Let's look at where the 2020 5 star talent ended up, 31 players total:

  • Bama: Young, Anderson, Braswell, Sanders (4 players)
  • Clemson:  Bresee, Murphy, Uiagalelei, Bowman, Simpson (5 players)
  • Oklahoma:  (0 players)
  • OSU:  Fleming, John, Smith-Njigba (3 players)
  • LSU:  Gilbert, Ricks, Boutte (3 players)
  • Georgia:  Jones, Carter, Washington (3 players)
  • Oregon:  Flowe, Sewell, Manning (3 players)
  • Texas A & M:  Jones, Demas (2 players)
  • South Carolina, Florida, Texas, Maryland, Washington, ND (1 each)

You can easily see the high correlation between elite teams and 5 star players. There are only 4 teams (South Carolina, Florida, Texas, Maryland) with a 5 star kid who haven't made the playoffs. There is only one elite team (Oklahoma) who didn't get a 5 star players. And only two former playoff teams (FSU and MSU) have fallen off the map, especially MSU.

There are 130 FBS schools. Of those schools, realistically, there are 20 - 30 who have been historically good. (In addition to the above 15 teams, you could add Southern Cal, UCLA, Stanford, Michigan, Penn State, Auburn, Wisconsin, and debate a few others. Maybe Miami. Baylor. Etc.) If there was anything like even distribution, you'd see 1 5 star kid at each of the top 30 schools. But the reality is that 7 teams have 23 of the 5 star players. That's 75%. To be honest, Clemson and Bama, two schools, have 30% of the five star talent. 

Mind you, I don't blame these kids for wanting to go to Bama, Clemson, LSU, OSU, Oklahoma, and a few others. If you're the best players, you want to be on the best teams. But the talent disparity makes it so very difficult for the next 20 teams to break in. And when one of them does break in (MSU, ND, Washington, etc.) they are over their heads and horribly outclassed and out-talented. Yes, they all want to go to the playoffs. But the playoffs become kind of meaningless if there are 3 very good teams, any of which would beat in the heads of the next 20 teams.

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Wargor's picture

I hear you, and perhaps we are both right.  I would agree that there are usually only a handful of teams at the top any given year, and that there isn't much movement from one year to the next.  And yeah, that's a problem.  For the sport it is a shame that with near certainty anyone can likely get 2 out of 4 playoff teams right with a guess right now.  Just Pick OSU, Clemson, Bama, and Georgia and you're damn likely to be at least half right.  

That said, my point was that there does seem to be some rotation of those handful of teams at the top.  We'll see though if some teams can break the trend beyond OU and OSU.  If Bama can replace Saban with a good hire (people talk about Dabo) and or if Dabo stays at Clemson for another decade, we might see one added to that list.  Conversely though, I'm not sure how much longer Oklahoma can maintain top tier status with annual demonstrations that they are always a step behind.

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blu.fan's picture

Just Pick OSU, Clemson, Bama, and Georgia and you're damn likely to be at least half right.

I'd probably substitute LSU for Georgia. And it'd be a tossup between OSU & Oklahoma some years. However, it seems like Bama and Clemson aren't going anywhere, and they'll stay on this list indefinitely.

Obviously, it goes without saying that major bagman infractions that are detected and backed up with irrefutable evidence could nuke any of the above teams. However, short of that, I don't see any systemic change.

The lack of change at the top, the almost total lack of movement, is bad for the sport. And even when a team sneaks in to the playoffs, they're almost inevitably going to be killed by one of the elites. Of course, this doesn't matter if you're at the top like OSU (It's good to be the king.) But for everyone else, it leads to disillusionment. The coaching carosel continues, and guys are fired every so often. Some teams compromise and start to cheat. Others are pretty much acquiesced to 2nd class status.

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Zonabuck's picture

OSU has been in the playoffs three times - 2014, 2016 and 2019. 

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blu.fan's picture

You're correct . . . I knew that 2 times seemed wrong and too low. But it just goes to prove my point even more:  the elites (Bama, OSU, Clemson,) with the 5 star kids are basically in the playoffs every year. The other teams, even the good ones, play music chairs with the one remaining spot. In fact, this year, with LSU winning, was the first time since the playoffs that a team OTHER than Bama, OSU, or Clemson won the championship. (And LSU only won because they were able to snag and transfer in OSU's 2nd string QB.)

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Zonabuck's picture

It’s been my belief for years that there are only 3-5 programs in the country that are capable of winning the three game run to the championship (CCG, Semifinal and Final), and only 1-2 in any given year.  It takes recruiting, development, staff (both on the sidelines and the bevy of QC Analysts behind the scenes) and the will of the administration to give the support necessary. Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State are on the list. Oklahoma is not, IMO. LSU did it for a year - not sure if they bought a one year flash or if they have the infrastructure to put together a run. Georgia has everything but the coaching, IMO. Not sure if any other program is close to being at that “five tool” elite level. 

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airbuckeye's picture

Blu I only ask a question about Uhce because I had never even heard of him and a there were like 2 or 3 people that made that Statement about him being better than YOUNG. Which to me was nuts to even state. And has far as Patterson and the Senior Bowl which I did not watch. But a few people over there were claiming because of that game he may have gotten him self into the 2 nd round. It was like that was the only game that mattered and not what he has done over the last to years which is a CRAZY ass statement to even make....

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Brandon26841's picture

Uche is a pretty good player, a likely 2nd round pick, and should be solid in the pros. Better than Young? I mean, it's possible. Anything's possible. But there is a reason Young is going #2 overall and Uche likely in the 2nd. Young is the better prospect with clearly more potential.

Patterson won't be drafted. If he is, it'll be 7th round at best. 

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