Skull Session: Buckeyes Top the Final SP+ Ratings, Ohio State is the “Gold Standard” of Compliance Offices, and Dick Lebeau and Paul Warfield Share a Bond

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Hey, we are one day closer to the start of the 2020 season. REDEMPTION!

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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DCDDC's picture

Or maybe Gordon Gee He He He

m GO BLOW!!!

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SilverHaven's picture

Threes a charm.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Dillon G's picture

It was still a fixed outcome. LSU wasn't the only team to dominate Clemson.

#walkaway

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GareBear's picture

Easier said than done, I’m afraid. But working on it 

A nice scandal at Clemson would help the process along a bit... 

Michigan sucks

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Defiance's picture

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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Dillon G's picture

In those cases that I’ve not been involved in, the written advocacy varies from excellent to pathetic

So a parallel to football with the team up north exists in the compliance department. Interesting.

#walkaway

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Meek's picture

In a transfer it seems that it takes help from both compliance departments. If Georgia doesn't cooperate, Fields may have gotten screwed. Look at how the program up North messed up the transfer for the kid to Cincinnati last year. Fickell will tell you about it if you have time.

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mtrotb's picture

Georgia had to cooperate when one of its baseball players is hurling the n word at Fields.

mtrotb

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iowabuckeyes's picture

It doesn’t start with the compliance department but it has to end there. Harbaugh benefitted from Ole Miss releasing Shea Patterson but blocked James Hudson. I wouldn’t be surprised if Harbaugh did that out of spite, as retribution for what he likely considered an act of betrayal. And now more rats are abandoning the ship.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

I think this is exactly what Luke F. said about TTUN and hairball tried to blast him over.

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SilverHaven's picture

"In reality, Ohio State is frustratingly compliant... Example... Ohio State caught wind of the fact that its best player took a loan (which he already paid back) from a family friend over a year ago and immediately ran to the NCAA and suggested he be suspended."

Precisely, OSU is it's own worst enemy with self-flagellation.  With Tatgate, the NCAA restricted future scholarships and banned future bowl games, but OSU on its own accord vacated its past wins in 2010. 

Let's get those wins back!

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Where is that petition? I’ll sign it.

Paterno and PSU had 111 vacated by the NCAA but they were reinstated as the result of a settlement between the school and the NCAA. The problem is Ohio State voluntarily surrendered its 11 2010 wins as it attempted to preempt the NCAA’s blood-thirst by imposing its own self-imposed sanctions (which it wasn’t enough as NCAA tacked on more penalties). At the time, people were using USC as the “worst case” standard and many felt Ohio State’s punishment was fair and commensurate when compared to USC (and likely would’ve been worse if it hadn’t cooperated). Of course, since then, between PSU, Miami, FSU, UNC, Louisville and other schools that have had far worse scandals, instead of getting a slap on the wrist; in hindsight, Ohio State got a one-year jail sentence for a crime that was tantamount to jaywalking. The only thing that can be done to rectify the overkill is to restore those wins.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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DCDDC's picture

I completely agree Iowabuckeyes.

m GO BLOW!!!

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SilverHaven's picture

Well, Iowa, GoodLife and Savage, I'm in on the petition.  It's time to fix it.
Can a 12th warrior with gold pants get this rolling in 11W?  Or do we need Jason or Chris?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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goodlifesean's picture

I was watching a comedy sketch from the SEC shorts youtube channel and each team was an elementary kid getting its grades from its teacher. Missouri was put in timeout for self reporting its violations. Even their fans know the rule. Shut your damn mouth

Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.

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Sav45age's picture

The NCAA is like the Goblin King from the Labyrinth.

Speak the words “you have no power over me” and it  becomes true.

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Sav45age's picture

Please start a petition or a twitter movement or something! 

This is the main thing I dislike about Gene Smith’s tenure here, there are plenty of other things that bothered me, but this is the only one I still feel, and can not let go of. It crashes back into my brain whenever programs are being compared for all time greatness.

The winning percentage for 2010 was 0.9230. We are beating Michigan in all time winning percentage by more than we are getting credit for, and actually ahead of Boise State (a regional power in a weak region of the country)

How many all time wins does OSU have? Are the websites updated? Do the “12!!” wins from 2010 count in the total, or do I need to do math? 

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SilverHaven's picture

Well, Iowa, GoodLife and Savage, I'm in on the petition.  It's time to fix it.
Can a 12th warrior with gold pants get this rolling in 11W?  Or do we need Jason or Chris?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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BucksHave7's picture

This is our year.  

We’re running the table!!!!

BucksHave7

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Buck298's picture

I officially announce my candidacy for the position of President of THE Ohio State University. My First Order of business is to get rid of CampusParc, the Second Order is to tell Shamrock to go to Hell and the Third Order is all students get free Jeni's ice cream every Monday (because, who likes Mondays?)

Then later I will occasionally deal with the trivial things like running the hospital and improving our academic standing. Although I hear that if we get rid of online classes, TTUN would start winning on the last weekend in November. So I guess my Fourth Order would be required online classes for all of our athletes. 

Send the Earth Reverberating

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c92996p's picture

Also, Mars calling Ohio State's compliance department the "gold standard" is extremely interesting

Interested to see how the folks up north can reconcile this with their "Ohio State bagmen" narrative. 

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McGrind's picture

Simple they will use the blue translator:
gold standard = not getting caught.

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Especially since Tom Mars was Shea Patterson's attorney before he was Justin Fields, which means Mars has worked closely with both schools’ compliance offices.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Hovenaut's picture

That's a nice clip on Paul Warfield and Dick LeBeau...how firm thy friendship.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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PhillyNut's picture

I think I was more pissed at Modell for trading Warfield to the Dolphins than I was for him moving the franchise to Baltimore.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Hovenaut's picture

My dad has said the same over the years. Dolphins got a steal, and the Browns got Mike Phipps (the Purdue QB, I have to look that up every time).

One of the first awful moves (no pun) for the factory of sadness.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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DCDDC's picture

Cleveland, where QB dreams go to die.  I'm stillpulling for Mayfield to break the habit.

I never thought I would miss Kosar.

195 days untill Bowling Green.

m GO BLOW!!!

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Sanantonefan's picture

Mike Phipps--5 interceptions in a six-point loss to the undefeated Dolphins. Should have ended their season. smdh

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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lamplighter's picture

C'mon man.  One of the top 10 worst moves ever, no doubt. Maybe even top 5.  But worse than moving the team?

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0H-10's picture

I was such a fan of Paul Warfield that for a period of time, I became a bit of a Dolphins fan, and do not feel I have to choose between reasons to despise the memory of Art Modell.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I don’t know what’s tougher: to see the sports idols of my youth as old men or knowing I’m not really that far behind them. That hit, though—was the class they met in called Physiology or Physicality?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Bigmarty's picture

What a heart rendering story.  I may be looking through Scarlet colored glasses but this is why OSU is truly a special place.  Thank you for bringing this to light.

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Archerm's picture

Yes. really nice to see some Browns film from when the team was as good as it gets in the NFL. I'm not quite old enough to have seen Warfield or Jim Brown play for the Browns, so the clips of Warfield were a treasure to see..  My first year of paying attention to NFL was the year the Browns drafted Phipps.

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Dillon G's picture

Not sticking to Ohio State sports...interesting video of Antonio Brown. I sort of expected to see it. Not a good look Mr Brown. 

#walkaway

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Buctor's picture

"Dick Lebeau and Paul Warfield are life-long friends and competitors"

These guys were playing pro ball when I first began watching football as a kid.  Best of the best without question. And I've seen that undercut many times in my memories.  Could not believe he hung onto the ball and continued to play.  My heart broke when he left Cleveland.  So I began watching Miami.  But back then all the games were not on TV every week.

Also always wanted Paul Brown to go get Lebeau.  Always thought he should not be in Detroit.  Don't remember why, but never liked Detroit.  I probably had somehow convoluted the fact that the Cincinnati Royals got to draft folks like Oscar and Lucas because of proximity.  So Cleveland should of had Lebeau.  Never mind that would likely have removed Brown!  

BTW, did you notice when Warfield was blocking Lebeau, it was a Brown running play?  Apparently Buckeye WRs were always complete players!!!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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Buckskin007's picture

I get that this is a tongue and cheek article. But we did not win what counts. So being the "most" consistsnce team during the year means jack squat. We were just another team in the sea of many.

That's right, that's right, we bad

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

There are 127 football programs that would kill to have ended the regular season undefeated, won the conference championship, and came within feet of winning the first round playoff game to compete for a national championship.  Everyone wants the big one, perfectionists fail to look back and see what was accomplished and how fun the ride was getting there.  Most perfectionists I know are also very not perfect.  In fact, most of them use their perfectionist attitude to cover up the fact that they have failed miserably somewhere along the line.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Many perfectionists lead a miserable existence, because so few are truly perfect. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I have yet to meet someone that is.  I keep searching but man, people have closets filled with bones.

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Sanantonefan's picture

The only people who don't make mistakes are the people who don't do anything...

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Sav45age's picture

SP+ made me feel worse. It basically says, if the entire season was played/simulated, and every team played every other team, on a glorious 129 week, two and half year run Ohio State would win the championship, ... In a vacuum, without the influence of ESPN/sports media politics, a probably corrupt playoff committee, and wayyy to much power given to a shitty SEC replay official.

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rkylet83's picture

Example: LSU just had an alum caught on camera dapping wads of cash into players' hands on the field and the school's initial response was "Oh, it was pretend money," and they probably would have gotten away with it if Joe Burrow didn't admit it was real on a national podcast.

The fact that anyone would believe that a grown man would be handing out fake money is remarkably stupid...and the sports media went with it for days.  

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Darksungm's picture

Rkylte83- you have to consider that most people who slap cops on the ass generally make good decisions and can be trusted! Wow.

God bless and go Bucks.

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WC Buckeye's picture

Having 1-ton steel plate land on you that was blasted from 2 miles away would kind of ruin your day.  For reference, the shells from the USS Missouri weighed 1 ton.  Poor bastard.

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

It reminded me of the sad story of the Ohio Amish teen several years ago who was shot and killed while riding her buggy one night. The horse continued home so they had no idea where along the road she’d been shot. The bullet was from a muzzle loading rifle. The authorities were stumped until a man came forward and said that at about same time that evening, he’d discharged his muzzle loader into the night sky because he had been hunting all day and didn’t want to take a loaded gun inside his home. He lived more than a mile away. Think of the odds of a bullet traveling that far and randomly hitting an innocent person in the head. To make the story even more weird, they had the same last name but were not related.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

US military personnel in Bhagdad took .762 rounds to the tops of their heads the night Iraq beat Iran in soccer.  AK47 celebratory fire into the night sky. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I hadn't heard about the Bhagdad incident. I've often wondered, though, when people shoot their guns in the air, what happens to the bullet? Now I know what could happen.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

There was a woman killed (in Texas?) just this past New Years from a stray round fired by some yahoo 'celebrating.'

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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stpetebuck's picture

Hey, stray bullets are A 4th of July righty of passage here in Florida. Texas has to get their own schtick.  Lol. 

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WC Buckeye's picture

As you and Navy both have mentioned, shooting live rounds into the air is a really stupid idea. Even though the odds are relatively low that you will actually hit someone, you don't want to be that someone. Gun safety, kids!

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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va_buck's picture

i hope everyone knows that when they are fired into the air they come down at the same velocity they went up - so they are more than just falling objects.

VA_Buck

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Even firing live ammunition into an apparently empty tree line can be extremely dangerous. A rifle round can travel up to a mile. Mrs Navy works with a woman whose house in rural Ohio was shot up recently. Kids were inside when it happened. A couple of jackasses were firing through a tree line paying no attention to the fact there were homes a quarter of a mile beyond. No berm and no other cover to stop the rounds. Could’ve killed somebody. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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PhillyNut's picture

If I were a US Bank customer I would immediately close my account. What a bunch of incompetent heartless assholes. Unfortunately I have yet to find an HR department who does anything beyond focus on cutting expenses and making sure the company cannot get sued.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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analyticalguy's picture

If Ms. James doesn't get several job offers after this, my faith in humanity will take yet another hit.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Yeah, US Bank whiffed big time on that. I get the safety issue but, fortunately, no one was hurt. So you reprimand her and her supervisor. You don’t fire them. That’s what you do when someone blatantly violates company policy by releasing a hold on a check prematurely, which she said she could’ve done but didn’t. My guess is Emily James will land on her feet; hopefully, her supervisor will, too.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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RodVedder4's picture

US Bank is THE worst, for a multitude of reasons. From predatory foreclosure practices back about 10 years ago (which they lost a class-action suit over) and just generally completely shitty customer service for their normal bank customers, F that place. 

Excellence and greatness will be remembered...there is no room for average. None. - Urban Meyer

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Joey Bosa

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Poco Loco's picture

A young man awaiting a heart transplant was offered two choices. 1-the heart of a 24 year old super athlete; 2- the heart of an 86 year old banker. He chose the banker stating that that heart had never been used.

a hard rock miner from Butte, Montana

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Bnglbck's picture

Thank you Clemson for making us better.

GO BUCKS!

Victory loves preparation

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Do you want to thank the replay ref while you’re at it?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Good luck. He’s in the Witness Protection program, hiding out in a fleabag motel in South Carolina and eating greasy fast food and playing Go Fish with a gaseous state trooper.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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DCDDC's picture

To Hell with Clemson.

m GO BLOW!!!

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stpetebuck's picture

Actually , bnglbck, this is similar to my take. We are caught up with Clemson as a program , now all we need is better red zone offense scheme and we’re national champs.

The ‘Chase’ now is for perfection.  

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LilTrautie's picture

I have a friend who works in the recruiting department (or whatever you call it) and they’ve noted that the compliance department is very serious; they catch and report every little thing possible, to a point that no other university probably does. Kinda backfires on us a lot in the short-term because of dumb stuff they report but helps us long-term to keep a clean program, regardless of national perception

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blueblazer22's picture

The Norte Dame Cathedral article is very well done. It is cool the way they incorporated drawings of the various states of the building, but also explained the changes made along the way. I truly hope Macron doesn't go overboard and do something that would be bizarre just to put his stamp on things. 

It makes some sense that the NCAA isn't entirely at fault for the seeming randomness of waiver passage/denial. While I still believe they do what they want at NCAA headquarters, I can also see how a badly conceived and presented case by a school would mess up the works

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

The article kept glitching for me, so I had to stop reading.  Did they mention why Notre Dame (and many other cathedrals of that era) was in a near constant state of construction?  Municipalities could only begin taxing building owners (in this case the church) once the building was completed. So, in one of the earliest tax evasion loopholes, construction on large Gothic cathedrals would continue for decades, because "well, it's not quite finished, yet."

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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MountainsAwait's picture

Say a prayer for me at 10:30 this morning...my vasectomy awaits. :/

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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OH-IO's picture

WTF. That's what March Madness is for!

OH-IO living BACK IN COLUMBUS after 32 years in the ATL. 

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MountainsAwait's picture

Fair point, but the Mrs. and I can’t chance baby #6...then it would be literal March madness!

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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MountainsAwait's picture

Update: not nearly as bad as I thought.  Took all of 5 minutes.  Headed home to the frozen peas!  Thanks for the prayers!

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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stpetebuck's picture

Hope you froze some swimmers before the operation. 

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MountainsAwait's picture

No sir, no more babies!

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Frozen peas as a cold compress. Not to mention the irony...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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okiebuck's picture

Indeed; frozen peas are darn near a miracle drug,

The only hard day was yesterday

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May3 1890's picture

Any a veggie to enjoy later at dinner. 

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Praying

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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ScarletGray43157's picture

a scorched-earth campaign through some of the nation's best

I saw what you did there... 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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OH-IO's picture

I hate the off season.

OH-IO living BACK IN COLUMBUS after 32 years in the ATL. 

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Cotswold's picture

S&P National Champs!  I’ll start getting the banner ready.... wait, that’s a move that would be pulled by a certain team up north.  Nvmd.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Actually, it’s more a move Alabama would make because the S+P says LSU‘s coronation as the nation’s best team is not unanimous even though it won the national title. That’s the basis of the logic Alabama's used to support its claim for a half-dozen national titles.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

I’m only half joking when I state that we should just claim a national championship this year. That would literally be the case for basically how Alabama has half their national championships and how national championship winners were crowned before the BCS era. Why should the college football playoff committee be the only ones to can crown a champion? Clearly their process is flawed. Heck, AP and Coaches still have a poll with their own results. Trust me, this won’t be the stupidest idea you hear all day. Ask UCF. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

You beat me by seven minutes. Once again, I scroll down too late to see someone’s beaten me to the punch.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Haha sorry! Great minds think alike! O-H!! :)

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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lamplighter's picture

Good Friday all.  For you government workers, enjoy this long weekend.

It is a long weekend, right?  I have trouble keeping up with those sort of things these days

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Sorry Kevin, but if we don’t get screwed over by SEC officials...we also boat race Clemson by 3+ scores. Ohio State vs LSU would have been an epic CFP final. But thanks to human bias...we will never know. 

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

I can’t say for certain as to whether or not OSU beats LSU, but I CAN say for certain that Big Dick Joe—hollowed be his name—wouldn’t toss for 500 yards against our secondary. Providing they don’t get ejected for targeting, of course, which seems to be a write of passage for OSU players in big games (Roby, Bosa, Ward, Wade, etc...)

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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acBuckeye's picture

In regards to compliance.... LSU is also "dealing" with a case in which a booster got caught funneling money through a charity to pay recruit's families. That is a federal crime and the booster is locked up. But the national media didnt say jack shit about it all season long. They were too busy reporting that the best defensive player in the country paid back money that he borrowed from a friend. Which is not a crime at all.

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TRich19045's picture

Ohio State did not win the elusive golden phallus this year.

They may not have won the elusive golden one, but they certainly did get a phallus this year.

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stpetebuck's picture

Theme song from Shaft playing in the background. 

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Defiance's picture

elusive golden phallus V

FTFY...

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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Go1Bucks's picture

Though due to poor officiating, we would most likely have captured the prize...

Go Bucks! TTUN tears are best! Beat Wisky!!!

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Kurt's picture

I'm with you Kevin regarding the overly conscientious compliance department.  If the rules are that complicated they should be burnt to the ground.  Fuck conscientiousness.

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