Hope The Predator chews up Clemson's O line the whole game-
Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.
Jackson has asked for the challenge of taking on CY one on one and our coaches are confident that he will rise to the challenge. As some of your fellow posters have stated, both PSU ans Wisc had some success in that fashion. Given CYs lack of a variety of sound techniques, JC feels that he can slow him down enough for our offense to operate effectively.
If that turns out not to be the case, we will have a number of plans to use the TE or the RB or force him back inside to guard help. Our O-line is experienced and elite and they will get the job done. You can hope that CY will somehow wreck the passing game that has you very worried, but at the end of the day, CY will have a minimal impact on our offensive effiiciency.
You act like Young is just some walk on and not the best defensive player in the country lmao. I hope they leave Carman one on one with him.
I think they will do single coverage at the start—which is fine with me.
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Right? Thanks for the insight, Herbie. Just like Chase was going to be suspended four games too.
While I don’t like sticking up for Herbie, I do stand up for facts and based on the alleged amount, the NCAA rule book gives a guideline that based on the amount of the violation for what Chase accepted as a loan, a 4 game (well 25% of the season which is 4 games) is the recommendation for the suspension. Based on the specific circumstances of the situation, the NCAA can either reduce or add to the 4 games. Which is exactly what happened...
Right, but Herbie claimed a source had the suspension at four games. I don’t think anyone interpreted his “source” as being the NCAA Rules or guidelines.
I think it's even more egregious then you are leading on. He actually said "I'm hearing tOSU brass are expecting a 4-game suspension" which was a total and complete lie. tOSU even had to drop a statement saying that it wasnt true. It was like he released the "expecting 4-game" thinking the NCAA may just go ahead and give 4 since they are expecting it. It wasnt an innocent mistake. ESPN has huge sway over anything sports related because it's the WWL and biggest voice. It was a direct attempt to try to ruin our season by having the best player in college football miss his toughest 2 games.
Dude, come on, Herbie is not Bret McMurphy. I have my issues with some of the things he’s done in the past but at the end of the day he loves Ohio State and no way he is going on air to deliberately lie and ruin Ohio State’s season.
I mean he probably ran with what he was told to run with. But it still was a lie, and one that could have been harmful. Thankfully tOSU released a statement quick enough to cut the snake off at the head. Best believe Herbie is now a full on Clemson fan. He is the same guy that last year was touting a 2-loss Georgia ahead of a 1 loss tOSU conference champ. Same guy that sits on air telling the nation 2 or 3 sec teams should be in the playoffs. Herbie is a puppet for all intents and purposes.
There is definitely an sec bias at espn, but no way Herbie flat out lies to try and harm Chase Young and Ohio State. Chase Young was looking at a 4 game suspension and while we were cautiously optimistic about the games being reduced, Ohio State was preparing for the worst case. I’m not even saying Herbie was right, I disagree with him a lot, but no way he accepts being a puppet to lie about Ohio State that could sabotage their season.
I don’t know what it was Herbie was trying to do, but he clearly had no contact with OSU officials and was talking out of his ass. The problem is that he portrays himself as some kind of part time Buckeye insider, touts his connections, and people (Buckeye Nation and others) take him as a serious analyst. That’s our fault for treating anyone on that clown show as serious, but when he says it, people think there’s some credibility to it. Clearly, there wasn’t. As OSU officials said, four games was never even in the discussion.
Herbie was once a Buckeye. Of that, there is no doubt. But that was a long time ago, and I’m not talking about his playing days. He’s shown himself to be a bandwagon jumper, and OSU these days is just another wagon for him to jump on. He’s far less of an insider than some of the other beat reporters out there.
It was like he released the "expecting 4-game" thinking the NCAA may just go ahead and give 4 since they are expecting it.It wasnt an innocent mistake. ESPN has huge sway over anything sports related because it's the WWL and biggest voice. It was a direct attempt to try to ruin our season by having the best player in college football miss his toughest 2 games.
I was REALLY trying not to comment much on this stuff....but oh my freaking God. I don't know how you can say that with a straight face and not expect people to laugh. It's stuff like this that makes us look crazy....yea, the NCAA was going to determine the length of Young's suspension based upon what some analyst says on TV. Comments like this undermine the credibility of LEGITIMATE complaints others may have by lumping their views in with nonsense like this.
The Student Reinstatement Committee ruled on the length of the suspension, not the NCAA. Herbie is so full of crap and himself!
It depends on how you define the benefit amount. If the loan hadn't been repaid, then the total loan amount is the benefit. But since it was repaid within 4 months, the benefit amount is the finance charges and interest at a market rate based on his credit. The amount of the loan was never disclosed, but at most he would have paid 25% of the loan amount in interest at a market rate. If he was shrewd, he could have opened a credit card account and paid no interest at all for a 4 month loan.
All that said, the 4 game thing is also a guideline, not a hard fast rule, so when I hear people talk about it like he got away with something it tends to bother me a bit. He ended up with 2 games and that's that. Every agrees that it being a violation at all was stupid and only PSU and Michigan fans are still complaining about it.
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Its hard to win 10 on 11 vs good teams. I would expect all top programs to single chase until they cant. I would expect clemson To get rid of the ball quickly which psu, wisc and mich had some success with, at least early on in games and take chase out of it.
Michigan was able to successfully chip him with their RB. Etienne needs to do this if they plan on singling him. I've read analysis, however, that leads me to believe that he will not be effective doing that, as he has not been a willing or effective blocker this season. It also makes it hard to release after the chip since Chase is very good at taking passing lanes away while rushing (keeping hands up while pursuing the QB).
I'm definitely looking forward to how this matchup goes down.
TTUN held him on play after play, just like PSU held him from behind after he got past them. its amazing that an athlete that talented and that publicly lauded had a total of one holding penalty called against him all season long.
I would expect clemson To get rid of the ball quickly which psu, wisc and mich had some success with
This has been my thought for the past three games and I haven't heard any of the analyst mentioning it. I expect to see a lot of the same from Clemson.
If they single team him more than a few times, he’ll eat them alive.
They may try, and if they succeed to single him up, then damn great job. It will need to be the best individual performance by an OT in a long time to negate Chase. Just calling a spade a spade. Is it possible? Yes it is, but it WILL be tough.
i was surprised at the remarks on Clemson O line. I felt the G , C , G was weaker than the OTs, but we will see.
i also found it interesting Clemson’s one thord and short defensive call playing VA in the ACC ship game. It was third and short (like 4 yards), and they dropped their interior line and had their LBs cover right at the Line to gain to prevent a short hook. Tanner Muse bit hard thinking it would be a quick hook or slant and the WR actually ran a post. Wide open for a TD. Muse got hosed (which he seems to do a lot), and the dropping interior lineman were rendered ineffective since they dropped back to cover quick hooks and slants as opposed to a longer developinng post. Also by the d line dropping back gave the VA QB time to throw the post.
this is going to be a great chess match. I do believe Buckeyes win, but it is going to be a good game. Sit back and enjoy guys. This will be one that is talked about for a while
You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.
It’s a scheme thing, too. If your game plan is to get the ball out quickly, then you don’t need to double him. Lawrence just needs to know he can’t hold the ball through long read possessions. It wouldn’t stop Chase, but it would adapt the offense to what he brings. Plus, Clemson really doesn’t have a blocking back that can help it’s not how they’re built
The other option is that they believe the OT can route him deep behind the pocket and let Lawrence step up into the lane created where Chase vacated. This was a problem with him in 2018, and McSorely had a career day because of it. We hardly saw it at all this year, but there was one game where he lost focus and did this. Chase needs to dip the shoulder, get under the OT, put his foot in the ground and get after the QB, going parallel to the line.
Absolutely agree. I also do not believe Clemson will take too many short routes. I think they try to let their receivers gain separation, believing in their OTs. Until Chase can make them pay, I bet they stick with that.
like I said, this will be a great game
The biggest difference is the play of the other linemen and LBs, enabling the pocket to collapse more effectively for the defense. They just don't give that kind of time, with any manner of consistency.
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They’ve used Browning in that Jabrill Peppers role a handful of times late, lining him up on Chase’s outside shoulder and turning him loose on the QB. I think we see that a time or two on Saturday.
I'm also curious to see how often they go into that quasi 3-4, with Chase stalking the line as LB.
I totally expect to seem some Funky Shit™ on D this Saturday. Blitzing LB and DB's, strange alignments, anything to get pressure on Sunshine. Make Etienne beat you. He's a good back, with gaudy looking numbers, but a lot of them were put up against the Georgia Tech and Woffords of the world. Against teams with a pulse he was mediocre.
ESPN starting the SEC channel to concentrate on the SEC is like Baskin-Robbins starting a new store to concentrate on selling ice cream.
I don’t think people realize what the Woffords, Georgia Techs and Wake Forests are like from Clemson’s schedule. I know Wake has a decent record, but their players are like JV guys to Clemson’s varsity. Physically, they’re no match whatsoever. Even Rutgers has dudes in the Big Ten, but there are so many teams on their schedule that are just patsies. Clemson is in for a rude awakening Saturday.
I think they try to single him at the beginning and make adjustments as needed. Pressuring Lawrence will be crucial to our defensive success because with time he is extremely effective. Personally think how our offense does against their D matters more but that’s a whole different discussion.
I hope he rips PM Dawn Cartman's face off
I Hate Michigan.
I've really only watched Cartman once and it was against N Carolina where he struggled. He better have improved much since then.
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LOL...and here I thought "Truck stop Fabio" was the premiere opposing player nickname.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation
"Truck Stop Fabio" is still the reigning champ
He heard it from Les Miles, new coach at Michigan, after Chase’s 4 game suspension.
Had Missouri or West Virginia won, leaving LSU out of that title game, Les Miles would have been the coach at ttun. We would probably have another national title too...
Time to put that All-American status to the test, Chase. Make 'em sorry they chose poorly.
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Herbie = Dabo’s Disinformation Agent. You can’t trust anything he says RE: Clemson anymore.
Got that conflict of interest at play too.
That interview reassured me that Kirk bleeds scarlet and gray. Basically said he doesn't care that his kids are walk ons at Clemson, he has no split allegiance this game and that basically his sons were more worried about not being able to watch The Game than they were about the SC/Clemson game they had that week.
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They better have a plan or Young will have a day in their backfield.
Young loves the spotlight games.
You can't be a program with as many highly recruited players like Clemson and also have to double Chase all game. There will be times when Chase is 1 on 1 with an OT, but I'm sure Clemson will only allow that during runs and quick passes.
That being said, you would be an idiot to not double team Chase on play action/long passes.
Football really isn't that difficult lol.
If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.
The thing I don’t think people are paying enough attention to is that Clemson likes to run a lot of 4 WR sets. 10/11 personnel is like 90% of their playbook.
If Chase sacks Trevor and continually puts pressure on him, they have to switch their gameplan. Leading to less familiar things they would have to run. Extra blockers means less throwing options.
i don’t even think it’s a question that they will single block him to start, I think they have no choice.
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Don't know their personnel, but Evan Spencer would chip/block DEs and LBs
I know Evan came down to block the LB on one play in particular that ended up taking out 2 Alabama players and went for an 85 yard run...
See but that's the thing. It's unfamiliar to have to do that, at least in their scheme. I've watched a ton of Clemson tape and the only time I remember seeing them use their WRs to help stop a pass rush was in the 2nd quarter against A&M in their very first game of the year . They didn't do it much throughout the season. I have no doubts they have a gameplan for Chase but like I said it has to be unfamiliar. If I was Clemson, I would put Chase in conflict early and often. Read him, read him and make him make decisions to where it slows him down. I bet we see alot of RPOs on the side opposite him as well. 3 WR sets on the opposite of Chase. Send Etienne on routes out of the backfield in space. It's going to be tough no doubt. I think it's going to be a chess match and truthfully, can not wait to see it unfold.
Pride cometh before the fall.
Dabo, and especially the Clemson fanbase, are like drunks driving 100 mph the wrong way on the freeway. Singling Chase is so reckless, it should require jail time.
I think they will single up Chase initially and I would bet money on Clemson getting the ball out quickly to their receivers on slants or rub routes, which will negate any speed rushes, or blitzes from the OSU defense. I believe the greater concern will be the Clemson running game - if we don't stop their 8.5 yard per carry back early in the backfield and allow him into the second level, he will cause havoc ....
Defensively, I don't believe that Clemson will have as much success as they think against our running game. Our offensive line is far more productive as road graders, compared to their pass protection skills, so I expect to see a steady dose of JK - all day .....
Our front 7 has been dominant against the run. Clemson's success running the ball has been their ability to get to the second level untouched against weak defensive fronts. That will not be the case Saturday. Wisconsin has a (IMO) better running game and we shut it down. Granted Clemson has a more varied offense than Wisconsin so it may be difficult to dedicate players to stopping the run without opening up the PA pass, but if we stay disciplined (which we have this year) we should have success.
We will likely give up a few chunk plays on the ground and the key will be to keep doing what we do and not panicking when that happens.
+1^ for mentioning 'doing what we do' (patience) over 'panic'
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It could really be a game changer if somehow, someway, the Bucks go up by 2 scores or more, say at least 10 points, that conceivably puts Clemson in place they've yet to experience & in more of a passing, less of a running game frame of mind thereby going against normal tendencies ergo unleashing our hounds of hell...
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My only hope is that the SEC refs who are calling the game actually know what a holding penalty is. Big Ten refs are really pathetic.
My feeling is that at some point (one of those ref conferences they have before the season) they decided to lighten up on holding calls, and pass interference calls, because you honestly don't see either as much as you did a couple of years ago.
Obviously Herby is just relaying his feelings and he can't be sure about Clemson's gameplan
His sons are on the squad ‾\_(ツ)_/‾
OSU didn't execute and lost to horrible officiating. BOTH things can be true
I think the original poster is aware that Herbie’s sons are on the team given that he said it in the next sentence after the one you quoted.
And I think his sons are probably not giving him the game plan any more than Ohio State is giving him the game plan.
More “Aw, shucks” garbage coming out of Clemson. They will not be squaring up 1 on 1 with CY. Not for very long. They may try to option or get him to over commit but that won’t last long either.
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Whether it’s disinformation or not, I really hope it’s true. Also hoping this time of rest and practice has let Tyreke Smith and Tyler Friday heal up a bit, as well as allowed Zach Harrison continue developing into the next alien defensive end we have...I don’t think Clemson has faced an edge rush like we have in their 28 game run, not even Bama...
We are and have been susceptible to the quick slants for the past several years and this year is no different. They will try to hit these and let their athletes run. Therefore we need more nickel backs scheme and more of Browning and less Borland and Werner on the field. If not, their speed will kill us. Surely these coaches making this kind of money know this and will adjust at the START of the game. Not after they score.
Clemson doesn’t have anymore speed than Ohio State. Never has, never will. Okay, maybe in 2016 when our only passing “threat” was Noah Brown outside of Curtis Samuel...It’s never been about speed as much as in the trenches and I like Ohio State’s advantage in the trenches this year.
Clemson is not “SEC” fast. I’ll give someone $100 if they can show me a player like Tanner Muse or James Skalski, who played for Bama, Auburn, LSU or UGA in recent history.
Good lord has ESPN created a paper tiger, down in Clemson. They have had a once in a century collection of star QB’s, DL and coordinators. Just take a couple of those guys away, and Clemson would have pretty much been PSU.
Oh look, another Borland/Werner hater. They're the starters for a reason - and I imagine Werner is at least as fast as Browning in coverage. And Borland is assignment sound, hits like a truck, and does the dirty work filling holes around the line of scrimmage. Best defense in the country and there are still people lobbying for replacing starters...smh
Watch the last few games and see how well Browning has performed. I feel he has been the worst linebacker on the team. If Browning is not rushing the QB or near the Los, he looks absolutely lost out there. I think he can become an elite pass rusher though because his first step is really quick.
I totally agree, he can't tackle a dead man in space, he also looks like he has not picked up a weight since he got to Columbus. He still looks like he is 6' 4" 210?? On every long run against Michigan and some vs Wisconsin he had gap responsibility and was someplace else, LOST!!
People need to stop including Werner in the linebacker hate. I completely understand Borland. He is good in the inside run game but can be exposed on the outside and in pass coverage. Werner had a tough year last year but this is a completely different year and those of us that have actually watched the games know Werner has been great this year. There's a reason Brendon White didn't see the field much and it's because Werner has been great in pass coverage and has been much improved in the run game. I agree with you that this is not the game for Borland to shine because of the athleticism on the outside and the way Clemson likes to spread the field.
Therefore we need more nickel backs scheme and more of Browning and less Borland and Werner on the field. If not, their speed will kill us. Surely these coaches making this kind of money know this and will adjust at the START of the game. Not after they score.
You have got to be kidding!! Werner is an incredible athlete 6' 3" 235, he does take bad angles at times less later in the season but the guy knows where to be on the field. Browning is in the TWILIGHT zone most of the time and plays a lot in prevent that's it!
If that is honestly how clemson wants to approach him, they are even more arrogant then they sound.
Maybe not arrogant it may mean they will roll out a lot or throw quick routes, which they do roll out a lot and have in the past. That is to try and wear out the DE's from chasing the play. They are not a quick rhythm passing team but they screen a lot and throw short to the back.
Good point. I just assumed it was smoke and mirrors when the clemson players were saying it. Now that herbstreit is talking about it makes me believe that is their plan.
And, every time they see number 2 rotate out, they're going to take a shot downfield.
They must have a lot of confidence in Carman. Does anyone have any decent analysis on him? I haven't watched a whole lot of film on him but seems like he's a good tackle in the ACC but seems his physical traits fit more as an interior lineman.
Carmen has not given up a sack all year.
Also hasn’t faced an elite pass rusher all year...
I agree but still a pretty good stat on his part.
You’re right, best stat an offensive lineman can have.
That stat sheet is definitely wrong. I clearly remember at least one sack and many pressures.
He gave one up right here in their most recent game
Good find. Doesn’t appear to always give great effort on every play either...
What most teams have done is slide the blocking scheme toward Chase and then run the play to that side,that takes the OLB out of the blocking scheme and leaves a Tackle, Guard and Back to block Chase on short drops or get the ball out in less than 2.5 secs in the shot gun. What Haffley did is cover tight on that side and force the Qb to go to the 2nd or 3rd read then Chase has time to beat that scheme. We don't blitz very much! It will be interesting to see if we blitz opposite Chase a few times or delayed up the middle. Tarzan likes to roll out and throw to the sidelines. I think we can have some success against them on the defensive side because our corners can cover long enough to make him hold the ball. Clemson has not been a quick passing team all year have to see if they can now.
I think they will try it for at least the 1st series. Would like to see the buckeyes come out for the 1st drive and just blitz the heck out of them. Young, Hilliard, Browning, Z. Harrison. Maybe make Clemson use a quick early TO.
Clemson is going to roll out a lot!! and hope to throw broken routes to the big WR's much like Penn State used to do with McSorley.
Sounds like Herbie is way off as usual, listen to what Dabo says at the end of this Youtube Video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umCjtJQ-i6c
Chase will be looking to cement his legacy. I feel Jefe, Wade, Dobbins, Fields, Olave & Wilson in particular are going to shine on saturday.
Entirely dependent on the officials calling holding. Obviously we saw in the PSU-UM-Wisky run the officials swallowed the whistle on that.
They changed their entire offense, they went to quick throws and ran edge plays at Chase, just made 3 teams change their offensive philosophy, lol. He may have gotten held but that was not why his numbers went down
Michigan, PSU, and Wisconsin single blocked CY at times with reasonable success. It wasn't until they got behind and had to pass a lot did CY really become a factor. If CY has to honor the run, he is not nearly as impactful in the grand scope of things. I recall Runyan really blocking him well on several plays in the scUM game.
Chase will have as good of a day on Saturday as his offense provides. If Clemson has to get pass-heavy, that's advantage Chase. If Clemson jumps out and can use their entire playbook, then obviously advantage Clemson.
Dabo isn't dumb enough to design plays that are going to allow the best DE in the game to feast.
I am not sure I believe Herbie as the source of this. Just his guess. They may start trying that but Young is going to win that battle a fair bit.
That would be a huge mistake on Clemson's part if they just play Chase one on one the entire game. The DL was at its weakest this season when Young was getting double teams because, as much as I hate to say it, OSU hasn't had anyone else that can take advantage of their 1 on 1's in those scenarios. Doubling Young has let some QBs stand in the pocket and find openings in our defense. If the Clemson OL is blocking 1 on 1, our DL WILL get home.
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I predict CY dropping back on a quick slant and getting a pick six a la Steve Miller in the Bama blowout. (Yes. It was a blow out. We put up 537 yards in 78 plays. I don't care that we only won by 7.)
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i just watched both of those 2014 playoff games.
I think we tend to overlook all of the things that went against us early in both of those games. the turnover luck in particular was stunning.
Get dumped then, Dabo