If this is true, I have a feeling our opinions of Jackson Carman will be reinforced after this game.
I hope and pray for a Carman-Young showdown.
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we can wish it is going to be just that but i am calling BS on this "not changing our gameplan" nonsense he speaks of
I'm sure it will. Carman hasn't faced anyone of Chase's caliber, but he's no slouch. All ACC 1st Team I believe and hasn't allowed a sack all season.
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All ACC First Team - so you mean he starts for Clemson?
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I hope Young drops Jackson on his ass....
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To be fair, "what they normally do" may be to double and triple-team generational talent at DE. So, they really aren't changing anything.
There's talented DEs in the ACC like Chase?
Dabo Swinney told Jackson Carman during his recruitment that Urban Meyer is on the back end of his career in terms of years left. It wasnt a major factor, but it was an underlying one, Carman said.
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Never forget Dabo was right?
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At the time, there was no indication Meyer would retire from Ohio State and to suggest such a thing was completely farcical. Both men are roughly 5 years apart in age.
I think that comment coming from Swinney, when it did, says more about Swinney than Meyer.
Dabo knows more than than the average Ohio State fan.
Is that our excuse for negative recruiting?
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I think you guys do good recruiting.
Do you think Clemson plans on giving their tackles extra PEDs to prepare for #2?
Well I have no idea, are their BMs big enough to need PEDs ? That sounds very painful.
You're a jackass.
I hope they leave chase one on one the entire game - even after he wrecks their backfield over and over.
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Trevor seems like a quality dude off the field but if their plan isn't to double Chase they're in for a long evening.
They'd better worry about Tyreke Smith.
They're just going to read him on every play..
He's actually been very good covering both the QB and RB on read plays when he's being read. No one on this planet is going to make every one of those plays, but he's so big and so quick for that size that he has the ability to stop and actually chose who he's going to take, vs. committing to one or the other.
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This. Chase having to be concerned with contain and Lawrence's ability for quick down field reads and quick releases may keep OSU's pass rush honest.
Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72
if they read him every play, i hope he blasts lawrence every play.
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This. If they want the QB to read him repeatedly, they need to lay the lumber to Lawrence. Start getting him second guessing those keepers.
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just be careful, the refs don't like seeing fragile-looking blond guys getting knocked over repeatedly
Yep, he could get split ends.
If hes a willing runner he is allowed and better be hit as hard as legally possible
I'd bring pressure off his edge every play
I'm hoping he's right! I feel that winning in the trenches will be a major if not THE major deciding factor in this game and Clemson certainly hasn't played anyone of Chase's caliber. I hope to see Lawrence pressured a lot. If he has time it could spell trouble, even against our talented secondary.
narrator: meanwhile, they were changing everything they do to account for chase young.
I mean, what did you expect him to say? "Well, here's how we plan on changing our playcalls and protections. Please don't tell him though."
"We are absolutely scared shitless of Chase Young and he is the 1 player that no one wants to face. We are doing everything we can do schematically to avoid him"
Yeah, I think TL was fine in what he said
He could've pulled a Freddie Kitchens and said "We don't care about Chase Young" lol.
Who's Freddie Kitchens?
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Just some hapless chap masquerading as an NFL head coach.
Could pass as Dabo Sweeney's cousin or something
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Tressel for prez, tOSU or USA, I'm good with either
Well when you're the greatest team ever with 5 stars at every position and can't possibly lose, why would you change?
Shhh, don't tell Dabo...
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
They shouldn't do anything different. Chase Young is no different than the other elite pass rushers they've faced in the ACC.....
You know, I think you're right. Why mess with the recipe for success?
Nothing else Trevor Lawrence can really say.
Hoping to see Carman give up multiple sacks
I've sat down and watched both championships multiple times watching just the lines. OSU collapses the pocket within 3 seconds even in the first half. Clemson will be able to pop slants, curl, and other quick routes. But those four five seconds clean against UVA will not be there. Clemson may be very technically sound, but they have not faced a line this talented or deep
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And that’s with base front 4 pressure and nothing fancy. Mattison and Hafley will surely have some blitz packages ready should we need them.
I need more Chase at middle linebacker, please
Seems like teams have somewhat figured out Chase for now. If you watch the last couple of games, our guys did this to great advantage in the 2014 championship run - assign the blocker outside priority and if Chase goes outside, use his momentum to take him beyond the qb. If chase goes inside, chip him with a tight end or RB allowing the blocker to recover.
The untold portion is that everyone else on the line is one on one giving us an advantage.
This is true but Clemson is a true spread team. Wisky has a small army of FBs, TEs and played w/ 6 OL at times against us. TTUN straight double teamed him and held CY a lot. No one likes to see a lot of flags but it would help us a lot if CY draws a hold in the early going to set the tone.
Michigan's O-line was the only unit that I seen neutralize Chase Young this year. There was one bad hold that should of been called on a TD pass near the end zone, but their tackle had a great game when I re-watched it. Wisconsin did well in the first half of the game against Chase, but he still was getting pressure with a lot of attention on him.
Michigan threw 3 step drops all game long, Chase couldn't get there if there were no linemen. when he did hold the ball he got sacked.
Clemson is a 5 step drop back passing team, WE will get pressure on Tarzan!
Gotta a feeling ole Clemson is coming into this one pretty high and mighty...feels like Bama in 2014.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
I can’t wait until we run the ball down these motherfuckers’ throats and take their fucking souls.
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Enjoy the wins over *ichigan, ....I still remember the dark days of the 1990's....
Precisely this. I am 1000% convinced that both of our lines are going to dominate this game, particularly our OL vs their DL in the run game.
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Forget the souls, they are already lost
What's Tracy going to say.
Think I did read somewhere that neither of their tackles have given up a sack this year. Maybe they think they can man up
Reminds me of 2002 Miami.
Chase needs to pull a Will Smith and sack their clown QB on the first play.
Our D Line crushed the Canes that day. This year v Dablow we have matching speed but more power. Me likey. I'm booking my flight for Nawlens to watch us destroy the swamp cats.
Trevor Lawrence can say whatever he wants. He isn't coaching or making OL calls.
Anybody thinks we're beating Clemson because Dabo is DUMB needs to go back and watch last year's NC game. They destroyed Bama and if anyone has forgotten, Bama has a very good team and a veyry good coach.
We can win. But it won't be because they're stupid over there.
Arrogance can create stupidity and they’ve got plenty of that.
Good point Knar. I'm sure they weren't arrogant for Bama. On the other hand, Bama was likely arrogant for them.
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I believe this to be true. Dabo's little speech about "congratulations, you're #3" reeked of arrogance because it totally ignored the undeniable truth that the two teams ahead of his have accomplished significantly more than his own. If that's the only way he can motivate his team against a potentially generationally good Buckeye team, then they're even more fucked than I thought.
but what about defennnnding champs and 37 games in a row?? don't they get credit for wins from 2016??
Well they do if you're Joey Galloway...
As do we...
Clemson fell victim to the one of the classic blunders. The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this: Never attempt to block Chase Young 1-on-1.
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Chase Young has spent the last few years building an immunity to iocane powder.
He really didn't say they were going to attempt to block him 1-on-1. They just aren't changing whatever their normal plan is for handling Heisman candidate DEs.
IWanna: I will use this on my fb and twitter if Chase eats them up...
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dear sweet 3 pound 6 ounce baby jesus, please let clemson block chase young 1 on 1 the entire game.
Was he premature?
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Problem for Clemson is that they cannot replicate Young in the preparation for this game. Quick passes only work if the defense gives up inside leverage. Reading Young is only a temporary plan. Virtually impossible to do it all game. Etienne is a great back but I question his ability to break tackles against a defense the has been pretty good at not missing tackles this year.
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Not to mention lack of lateral quickness. He's a smallish but explosive back who is not great on outside runs
Problem for Clemson is that they cannot replicate Young in the preparation for this game.
Just have the scout team guy line up off sides, that's about as close as you could get.
Don't forget to have the O lineman holding onto his shoulder pads too.
You have your tackles go up against OLBs who have speed in practice - this way they don't get surprised by the speed part. Many on here complain that Chase was held all game against Wisconsin and TTUN, but in rewatching those, there many times he didn't win the 1-on-1 or was anticipating run so didn't try speed rushing as much. Either way, we all know only Chase can stop Chase, so whoever lines up against him is in for a good test
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Young feels like a bit of an overlooked X-factor in this game, at least to me. When I've worried about the "keys to beating Clemson", it's only been
1) Will Okudah / Arnette / Wade be able to slow down Ross / Higgins / Rodgers?
2) Can the OSU OL protect Fields? Will Fields be healthy?
3) Can Fields beat Clemson with his arm?
And I think Young's relatively "quiet" games (for him) against Michigan and Wisconsin has made me and maybe some others forget just how much of a game-wrecker he can be. Clemson has a good OL and Lawrence is a big, strong dude that isn't easy to sack and isn't sacked often... but a huge game from Young could swing this game, which is essentially a tossup IMO, in OSU's favor (strip sacks, 3rd and impossibles etc are basically turnovers). If Young isn't able to make an impact they NEED someone else on that DL and specifically off the edge to pick up the slack. Lawrence with all day in the pocket can and will pick you apart.
Well said. I agree about your keys to beating Clemson. My biggest concern is not Clemson's offense(although it is great and difficult to stop) it is our offense against their defense. The games we have struggled in have been games where our offense either fumbled and/or otherwise failed to score. Fields has to play his best game yet and can't put the ball on the ground or hold onto the ball too long. Hoping he's 100% or close to it. I think if we establish the run and get Fields in a rhythm we will have a great game.
I think the biggest key that no one is talking about is the health of Shaun Wade. Day's comments during his presser yesterday were less than pleasing to hear: "Day said Shaun Wade is “getting a lot of rest” as he recovers from the injury that kept him out of the Michigan game and forced him to leave the Big Ten Championship Game, but he's “been doing a good job” and they'll get a better idea of his health in practice this week"
The having a better idea of his health in practice is not a reassuring sound - seems like one of those not fully healed injuries that one hiccup during the game/practice will put him out. I do think he plays, but would wager he would be more in the 80% health range, which will be a key factor in the game if true. We will need all of the CB's healthy and then some to be able to slow down Clemson's WR's - this includes the backups getting some reps in certain situations and confidence against them as well.
Depth and contribution at all levels will be vital for both teams - I think the team that can get the most quality reps from non-starters with their depth will have the best advantage in this slugfest.
For what it's worth, Shaun indicated in an interview the other day that he's 100%. Of course that may not be true but he seemed confident. I'm sure they're working on getting him healthy. I agree that their receivers could potentially cause us issues but thankfully(as you pointed out) we have lots of backups who have quality reps under their belt. No matter how good our secondary plays though if Lawrence has enough time they are gonna make plays. That's why I think we gotta win the line and create pressure. Bama had a good secondary last year(at least not a bad secondary) and they got lit up. What really got them though was turnovers and failing to score, which again is my biggest concern. Clemson is gonna score so if we can't then we are toast.
but he's “been doing a good job” and they'll get a better idea of his health in practice this week"
I had the same thoughts as you when I read Day's quote.
Day is just playing poker here IMO
Yeah, I agree with that. Wade says he's 100%, Day is more noncommittal while not being dishonest. The players were off last week and Shaun WAS getting lots of rest, so he won't really know until he's seen him practice this week and next. For all we know Wade had a calf cramp or slight muscle pull or a deep bruise. We'll see.
Lawrence hasn’t been touched all year. Needless to say, it’s going to be a challenge for his O-Line to play up to the competition that OSU brings. People will point to last year all they want. But ND and Bama didn’t have an Uber elite defensive game plan to come after Lawrence. Last year’s championship was the first time in a long time I seen Saban outclassed on defense, and he had no answers for it after halftime. Maybe it was the roids but I think it had to do with the game plan by Bama. They were blinded by their own stubborn rigidity on defense, and no creativity on offense inside the red zone. I think Day will have a creative offensive game plan to counteract the blitz of Clemson and on defense, they will try to get home with 4 to start the game. If Young gets home early and often, it will force Swinney’s hand to add extra protection to his line and limit his number of plays on offense. Advantage OSU.
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they will try to get home with 4 to start the game.
That's what I'm afraid of. Seems like they're comfortable with starting vanilla and going from there, but it's allowed the QBs in the last two games to find mismatches and throw the ball with 3 step drops. I remember multiple times where they singled Young, he beat his man, but Coan had already thrown the ball.
I guess my point isn't that you can't rush 4, but that it needs to be a bit unexpected. Maybe zone blitzes or a different look that can confuse them. All I know is that if play Lawrence straight up, don't get home, and he gets into a rhythm, it's going to be really hard to win this game.
I know everyone is predicting a close game, but it sure feels like a blowout to me. I just don't know which way yet.
History says Clemson then, but the stats and matchups would point the other way.
This is just talk. I'm sure they're going to try and play a mind game and make Chase Young think they look at him as just another piece of the Buckeye defense but if they don't truly zero in on CY and game plan for him he will wreck their entire offense. They know that, they're not that stupid.
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Good. Do that.
I've got a feeling that Zach Harrison blows up in this game.
Yeah. I hope so. If they’re going to do what TUN and Wisconsin did, with the triple teaming chase, someone else on the D line is going to have to make them pay for it. Someone else needs to level up and become a game wrecker. If that happens we win. Can’t nobody handle Chase and Harrison if they’re both on fire. I hope Zach has a lot of growth in practice this month, cuz we’ll need him. Too bad Cooper used his last game on TUN, he would be just the guy we need for Clemson.
I think Clemson will "struggle" a bit on that side of the ball, for their standards anyway. As in they only score 30 pts or so. The bigger wild card to me is how the OSU offense handles the Clemson defense and whatever Venables cooks up. Could be a 45-31 Buckeyes win, could be a 14-31 Buckeyes loss, or anywhere in between. I just see a bigger variance in the possibilities of that matchup than I do with this one.
OSU is not going to shut down their offense, but I definitely could see them slowing it down enough to get the W, if the offense does its thing.
I only have 2 thoughts on Trevor Lawrence:
1) Dude has amazing hair.
2) He reminds me of Rocky Dennis in the 1985 move Mask with Cher. If anyone can post a pic for comparison that'd be great.
I don’t agree but here ya go ...
Yes he does have great hair! I hear we have a big game coming up ladies and gents! I have enjoyed reading these forums and look forward to one epic game in a few weeks. Congrats on a great year however with all things being equal I’m hoping the tipping point is Brent Venables’ ability to confuse Justin Fields in the secondary. Let’s do this!
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Will be interesting to watch for sure. Glad you've enjoyed the forums.
We all hope this is true, but we also all know it's not.
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Haha - good stuff. We need an entire thread devoted strictly to Trevor Lawrence looks like . . .
Here's a shot of ol' Sunshine in 1968 playing the bass for Pink Floyd
Haha that's awesome! I knew he looked familiar
Wow, people give downvotes for nothing around here... lame...
That's my dude!
I could swear that’s Roger Waters but on second look, yep that’s Sunshine.
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Maybe this guy could "substitute" for Trevor Lawrence.
I don’t know. Based on Pete’s eyes, I’d say he’s a Sooner.
They won’t leave him one on one. They may be way too confident but they’ll have a scheme to block him and it won’t be with just one guy. Cocky but not stupid.
It is still in the early stages. I'm sure they haven't worked out the game plan yet. Wisconsin figured that out AFTER the first time. They will be in for a long day if they don't plan for Chase though. Let's hope this is true, and they don't figure out they need to account for him on ever passing down, until it is to late for them to catch up.
Surely you don't think Lawrence is going to reveal a plan??? Even if the plan is no play.
"what you do" had better be doubles, chips, and triples.
PLEASE CLEMSON PLEASE be arrogant enough to put your tackles on an island.
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If they are that arrogant, it will last only 2-3 series. If they're not practicing doubles, chips, and triples, though . . . they will probably fail to execute the in-game adjustments.
Point Break is going to meeting the turf behind the line of scrimmage often.
Watched a few of their interviews today. They seem supremely confident, which is understandable as they've won 28 straight. But I do get the vibe they're taking OSU as lightly as most of the pundits (including cheering when OSU was selected to play them), which is good for Day and Co. Alabama took OSU lightly as well.
I live in chattanooga and met TL once
A friend of mine had a nephew who played for cartersville also, and while walking on the field after my friend introduced me to him
Told me to remember his name
Very polite kid and seemed very intelligent. Reminds me somewhat of burrows
That being said, I hope hes a nice kid getting picked off the ground 10 times because cy is eating his lunch
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A lot of people in this thread are saying, basically, "Dabo didn't become a two time national champion coach by being stupid." Which is true, but it might have nothing to do with smarts v. stupidity . . .
Jackson Carman has given up zero sacks this season and only 10 total pressures the entire season. Obviously, he has not faced a DE anywhere near the caliber of Chase Young. But what happens if Dabo goes to his star OT, who sees himself as all-world, and says, "We're going to have to double and triple team Chase Young this game or else he is going to destroy you all game long"?
There is few de the caliber of ct. The kid at Auburn is a dt/e is the only one that.jumps to mind
This is RAT POISON! Don't believe a word of it.
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This is what a smart, more seasoned player says about an upcoming, major challenge. When you're about to jump into the cage, you don't poke the bear with a stick.
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I don't believe anything Clemson players or staff say. It's all gamesmanship. They prepare in great detail.
Dabo has the whole team now emulating Trump with their smoke and mirror fake news. What a time to be alive.
Trevor Lawrence says Clemson won’t change what they do for Chase Young.
Yes they will.
Good. I hope they don’t change anything. Would love to see Chase Young knock that stupid haircut off his head.
Well, he is just a slow, Big Ten guy
I'd put Chase on Jackson Carmen all day long. 3 sacks 1ff 1fr 5 tfl. Carmen is slow at this point. And if he is facing a speed rusher he starts false starting and reaching. His kick step is one of the worse I've seen. Tyreke Smith over their RT and occassionally their right guard in long passing downs. Would then being in Harrison and have Browning and Malik blitzing from LB attacking the A-gaps. It would throw Clemson off balance on their play design. Then at halftime when they are cooking up their adjustments to help Carmen with chips and doubles I would come out from half and have just back in his natural spot back over the RT.
Prayers to Trevor, Chase gon peel his wig.
As a staff and an offense there’s no reason to change anything you’re doing until circumstances force you to. You’ve won 28 in a row and played some pretty talented defensive linemen in the playoff the last several years.
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You’re not playing Notre dame this time Trevor
I've been pretty confident this would be the case all along as it normally is with elite teams, especially in college. I think it would've been a bigger problem for LSU bc they go 5 wide so much with an empty backfield and no help. Look at how Wisconsin and Penn State played Chase. Chase was killing teams but they played him relatively straight up. Why? Well they though, "oh well we are better than Miami of Ohio and Cincinnati. That won't happen to us, we just need to play our game." A few weeks later Penn State literally said pregame we are just gonna let him play normal and we are gonna have to counter him by making plays. This was a general miscalculation on their part bc making plays on Ohio State is incredibly difficult and Chase Young makes a LOT of plays that you have to counter.
Now you look at how Michigan treated it because they finally understood, "hey guys we played penn state and wisconsin and they are pretty good at football and this dude absolutely smoked them." They knew that they had to stop him at all costs and so did Wisconsin bc they watched what happened the first time.
I think that Clemson is basically going to assume that "he can't do that to us." This will be a major issue and its just an ego thing. The key for them is that they need to have plans in case, you know, he's just insane and kills them too. If they have answers he'll be an issue for a bit and then they get into a different set. If they don't Chase Young can end a game with 4 sacks and shut down the entire offense at times. I would be surprised if Chase isn't a key factor early. If he is also a key factor late Clemson is gonna have some issues. They'd be a lot better off IMO selling out to protect and playing undermanned downfield.
Remember those first 3 or 4 games where we were just ruining the QB's game after game. I can see Trevor hobbling off with that same defeated look.
My memory is hazy, but I'm hoping for something like the opening drive of the OSU/Miami game in 2002 where Tim Anderson (I think) went right up the middle from the tackle position and kicked the shit out of Dorsey ... kind of set the tone for the rest of the night. Miami was like.. wtf was that? May the same happen to Clemson.
Welp... it’s your funeral, Trev.