I'm a Rangers fan. Delino peaked his rookie season and was actually my favorite player that year but hasn't done much of anything since that 2015 season but is an elite base runner and has progressed on the defensive side. Clase is a gem and I think he'll be good for a long time. He throws absolute heat and has that swagger that every great reliever has. What are y'all's thoughts on Kluber? Little worried seeing he missed most of last year with injury
Kluber is on the downside for sure. He can probably still be a #3 possibly #2 but he's not the Cy Young he was. One thing he will do is help out any of your young starters figure out how to control their emotions and do what is needed between starts.
Depending on what else is coming to the Indians it looks like a Rangers win.
You will love having Kluber on your team. He's a great dude.
Salary relief is a win in itself for Cleveland. I can see in a year or two both teams having benefited from the deal
Yeah, I was surprised they even picked up his option. The plan from the start was to trade him I'm sure. He would have been our #4 this year behind Clevinger, Bieber, and Carrasco. With the way Plesac, Civale, and Rodriguez pitched last year there was no way Kluber was going to make it to opening day with the Indians.
Clase probably makes the opening day BP. I don't see Deshields fitting in other than maybe a 4th OF.
That being said I hope Kluber returns to form and pitches great for the Rangers. He is a true professional and does it the right way. Hopefully the Rangers beat the Astros down this year.
He is only 33 years old, not very old for a pitcher. He could come back to his Cy Young form and play phenomenally. He also might also, like you said, have peaked and will be slightly above average - average. I wish we could have kept him but the our owner is a cheap piece of shit and Kluber is due $17.5 million next season - much too rich for Larry Dolan who is only worth $600 million and majority owner of an MLB team worth $1.2 billion.
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Definitely not gonna argue that dolan is a cheap POS. He bought the team for $321 Million and they are now worth over $1 Billion and he complains about them losing money every year.
Just because the team is now valued over $1 billion doesn’t mean he has money to spend... or wants to spend it...
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I think the Klubot still has some good maybe even great years left... he has the skill, mentality and discipline .. I think once healthy he will be able to do well..
Can't say I'm sad. Kluber could still have a good few seasons but our pen sucked.
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Kluber seems to have been overworked as each season he seemed to do poorly in the playoffs. Missing most of last season may freshen his arm or maybe he's on the downside of his career. We should know by June which Kluber you got.
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Was kinda hoping that Kluber would be in the expanded trade talks with the Dodgers. We could have gotten quite the haul for Frankie and Kluber. I guess LA is also interested in Brad Hand so maybe that happens now with Cleveland getting this top reliever from Texas.
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We may want to hit the brakes a bit on the new reliever. His total major league career is 23 innings. The good news is the Indians get quite a few years of control if he is as good as envisioned.
If Hand is NOT on our 2020 roster, I will be...........
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Probably not too much longer. He paid $320M for the team in 2000 but that included debts and loans to make the deal happen. The reason the Tribe "loses" money is because he's been paying down that debt and paying himself back for the initial payment. Most people think he wants to clear a billion with the sale. Team is valued at like $1.1B give or take ( assuming they could sell for that much)..
He's been really aggressive trimming payroll/debt and paying himself back and Lindor probably won't be on the books much longer which will help as well. Dolan is getting close.. the for sale sign will go up at some point before too long..
Sigh. I don’t know this team anymore.
I hate to say it but I think I may be done with baseball. It has less to do with this trade and more to do with the spending disparity between MLB teams. 25ish teams are producing high level talent for the other 5 teams capable or willing to spend the 200-400 million dollars it takes to sign them. Unless you’re a fan of one of those 5 teams it’s not much fun.
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I am in this same boat. It has been this way forever, but at some point you get sick of the Tribe being a farm system for the rich teams!
Part of me wonders if the Dolans are punishing the fanbase with these moves for the lack of fan support during their WS a couple years ago (where they got badly outdrawn by traveling Cubs fans in their own stadium). The Dolans have always been cheap as hell and unmotivated to keep the team consistently competitive but people in Cleveland also aren't exactly incredibly loyal to the team even when they are doing well. I get LeBron was still with the Cavs at the time of the Tribe's last WS appearance and that's hard to compete with but when the people of Cleveland are showing much more interest in a historically bad Browns team across town just for the nostalgia of the good ole days of Browns football as opposed to actually buying tickets to see their baseball team potentially break a WS drought that has lasted since the 1940s that has to be insulting to ownership to a degree. It doesn't surprise me that the Dolans are completely unmotivated to win now after that. Paul Dolan basically telling the fanbase a couple years ago to "enjoy Lindor while he's here" tells me they have no intention of putting maximum financial effort into being competitive anytime soon. They're crossing into Bob Nutting territory at this point. And to think George Steinbrenner himself was interested in buying this team at one point. They'd be in a very different place today if that actually happened.
I feel like the Cleveland fan base (baseball, football, basketball) are loyal to a fault. I think the support for the Cavs and Browns being better than the Indians has more to do with their efforts to at least try and be competitive. Imagine if the Browns had the Indians guys in their front office making the decisions without spending limitations.
The Browns had exactly that when Randy Lerner was owner and yet they still sold out every week. He didn't give a shit about the team and only held it for 10 years as a tribute to his dad. Haslam definitely does care but he's been nothing short of a destructive pariah who has fostered a culture of mass dysfunction since he's been owner. The Browns have yet to earn the support of Cleveland fans since they returned in '99 given the shitshow they've been ever since. The only reason they sell out every week is because of the Move and how much that upset people.
The Indians just happened to draw the worst World Series opponent they could have drawn which created unreal demand for tickets. A reasonable drive/flight plus folks in a larger market with more disposable income offering people life changing money for Game 7 seats will do that for you
Well said. I've been trending in this direction for many years. Hard to blame any one instance, but the G. Cole-Yankees deal is giving me serious pause about investing anymore time following the MLB season. Saw this article after the Cole deal...look at the graph showing how some teams top 2 players' salaries compare to other teams' entire payrolls.
Weak return for a 2x Cy Young award winner. Probably traded him a year or so too late.
Lindors probably next unfortunately.
Amazing where Cleveland sports stand now compared to just 3 years ago in 2016. Small market teams smh
Well at least the Browns aren't going 1-31 anymore (though many would argue what Kitchens is doing to the team now is worse than anything Hue ever did).
The idiocy of this team's management astounds me to no end.......
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Kluber is on the decline and this is nothing more than a salary dump. DeShields doesn’t hit for power and strikes out too much. Clase is either a bust or a boom. This is the starting of the purge. Lindor is on the clock
It's shame that Tito is probably going to be scapegoated and shown the door when the team inevitably struggles because of these moves. Not even a manager as good as he is will be able to win games with this awful roster (assuming of course that Lindor is on his way out, probably to the Yankees of course). The Dolans are terrible owners and seem completely unmotivated to try to end the longest WS drought in baseball.
Ranger fan in Dallas here ... if any two fan bases can understand frustration and heartbreak it has to be the Rangers and the Indians. Hoping Kluber rebounds from that broken arm and is his old self again. He can be a boss!!
Good luck Cleveland ... hope to see you guys in the playoffs some day.
Would have gotten a lot more if they had traded Kluber before last season. I said that back then. His stuff was fading then.
too many innings. He still has some left in him but he is not a bonafide #1 anymore. Thanks for the memories Klubes.
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I'm not down on the Indians as some are.........since Terry Francona became manager in 2013, the Tribe has had a winning season every year, and have made the playoffs multiple times with a WS in 2016. Yes, they haven't won it all, but I'm not complaining because when I first became an Indians fan in the early 70's, the Wahoos were the worst organization in baseball. I never thought at that time that I would see the Tribe in 3 World Series. The Indians have been one of baseball's best franchises since moving to Jacobs Field (Progressive).
Cleveland has built its organization around pitching........and we have one of the top staffs in MLB even without Kluber.
The 90s Indians were extremely fun to watch (that was also back when Dick Jacobs still owned the team, not long after the Dolans took over in 2000 they went into fire sale mode when they promoted Mark Shapiro to GM in 2001). Those teams were completely stacked and sported players like the Alomar brothers, Jim Thome, Kenny Lofton, Omar Vizquel, Russell Branyan, and Bartolo Colon. All of that was before the Dolans took over though. Since they've been in charge the team has gone more in the financial frugality direction.
Oh man, wish the Tribe would have one of those 90s WS appearances. Lots of other memorable players...Belle, Ramirez, Fryman, Baerga, Nagy, Hersheiser, Martinez, etc, etc.!
Lol, I completely forgot Manny Ramirez played in Cleveland early on in his career.
Cardinals fans over here were disappointed they didn’t get him.