I would not rank JT ahead of UFM.
2006 BCS title game is all I need to know about that match up.
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Careful as many here think JT walks on water lol. Again, the Buckeyes have a history of underperforming when they are heavy favorites and this applies to UM as well. But, but, but JT turned around er did a 180 re: the ttun tradition so that alone is a major achievement which UM continued. IIRC UM never lost as an underdog which means he lost 9 times as a favorite.
Definitely underachieved in 2015. Shit happens just ask JT. :-P
btw, we need more irrelevant/non-sensical lists ...
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain
Don't get me wrong, I love Jim Tressel. But Urban Meyer's win percentage is almost untouchable in this era. Not even the might Lord Saban can come close. Winning FBS National Championships in two different conferences, in the BCS/CFP eras, is unprecedented. They're #2 and #2A at Ohio State for me.
Like both as well, but they could be very, very conservative at times which drove me crazy! But hey, before you abuse, criticize and accuse walk a mile in my shoes. Off-field issues and petty biases notwithstanding another list:
Just the facts because at the end of the day ~ the bottom line is the bottom line!
I would absolutely take Urban over Tressel. But let's not act like Urban didn't receive his fair share of ass whoopings on a big stage, or to teams that had no business being on the same field as Ohio State. Their resumes at Ohio State are very comparable. Both of them improved and strengthened the program.. Urban just did a better job of it.
You have to remember Tressel’s success also at YSU. But Urban at 46 is a joke.
Tressel being ahead of Meyer is clearly a function of his multiple championships at YSU.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
All you have to know about this list is that they have Spurrier and Beamer among the coaches ahead of Meyer.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I refuse to click on the link, but being a historian, I have a hard time believing that there are 45 coaches better than Urban. I gotta believe that he lost points for "character" issues (but Woody didn't?) and the fact that he's kicking EsecPN 's ass at Fox has alot to do with that.
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It’s ESPN. But there is no bias against Ohio State.
And there's no need to click on the link. It's bait.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
Indeed, one could even say they've become masters at baiting fanbases with these types of articles
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I didn’t. I heard it on Bishop and Lauranitus. He is 46th behind Tressel, Frank Beamer, Bo Schembechler...try not to laugh.
I think the ESPN narrative is a bit overblown, but there is no denying this is horseshit. I'm sure there's some anti-OSU sentiment but I suspect it's driven mostly by his work for Fox. They couldn't publish a list saying their competitor's chief analyst is an all-time Top 10 coach, so instead they say he was actually pretty meh.
It’s ESPN. But there is no bias against Ohio State.
Did you even bother to do ANY research, or did you just get worked up automatically? The panel, those who voted on this list, come from various media outlets/former athletes from across the country. So tell me how this proves "ESPN bias against OSU" when 80+% of those who voted don't even work for the network?
Apparently some cowards are offended that FACTS are throwing a wrench in their the world is out to get us narrative.
I'm starting to think this is Rece Davis' Eleven Warriors account but even he could take legit criticism against ESPN.
I'm starting to think this is Rece Davis' Eleven Warriors account but even he could take legit criticism against ESPN.
More deflection away from FACTS. Par for the course...
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Where did you have him ranked on your list?
Also, only 79.3% of the voters do not work for the network... And ESPN created pooled the voters for the project, which is ESPN's project... Not saying you're wrong, but you know what they say, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably ESPN.
Carry on Highlander!
Also, only 79.3% of the voters do not work for the network...
Well, that’s one way to frame it. Only 80% DONT work for ESPN? The correct way to state that is that only 20%, or just 2 of 10, actually work for ESPN. Meaning that 80%, or 8 of 10, aka the overwhelming majority, do NOT work for ESPN.
And ESPN created pooled the voters for the project, which is ESPN's project... Not saying you're wrong, but you know what they say, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably ESPN.
So, we’re to believe ESPN created a pool of voters, 80% of which don’t work for the network, knowing that these people would help push their anti-OSU agenda?
It’s like people completely ignore Woody and Tressel being ranked fairly(Tressel prob too high) and focus their faux outrage at where Urban is ranked.
I mean, people can believe it if they want.. someone might also ask why wouldn't ESPN select voters who may have favorable, or similar opinions to the ones they want to push. I mean it's not far fetched to believe a media outlet might push a particular agenda, even in instances where they are not necessarily setting up that way on purpose. Everyone has is implicit biases that influence how they see things.
For the record, I have nothing but respect for you my man! I love the consistency and sticktoitiveness. I obviously have no idea which ESPN personality you are, but you're here, and you're doing you're thing, and it's awesome. Keep it up.
I would put up a pay check and bet if UFM was working at ESPN instead of FOX he would be in the top ten.
Why would these 150 people (or at least 119 of them, if we are really going down the conspiracy theory whole) care where Urban is working?
Well stated, the opinions are from a panel, not from ESPN. But then ESPN did not have to publish such off-the-wall opinions with the glaring problems.
I don't think there is an anti-Ohio State bias with Woody in the Top Ten. But there must be a lot of vitriol aimed at Urban by some panel members.
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It's well known that Paul Keels hates Urban. /s
Urban is ranked one spot below Frank Beamer--I'm dying
He's below Frank Beamer?? Holy shit...
Beamer is 45 and Urban is 46
And 15- FIFTEEN!- spots below Dabo. Give me a fucking break...
Stop giving ESPN clicks. Just stop. They are trolling us non-stop because that's their business model. Fox has finally given us a viable alternative.
Yep. Hopefully in the near future all B1G games will be on Fox and we won’t have to watch ESPN at all until the playoff.
now all we need is the fox sports website to not suck
Buckshots... in case you have amnesia.
A lot of great alternatives to either website.
Honesty is the best policy: I am seriously considering editing that link into a Rick Roll.
I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
I was gonna post to ask the OP to remove the link, but that might just be a better solution.
I am seriously considering editing that link into a Rick Roll
Don't be an ESPN click bait whore.
I made this choice and have lived much happier since.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Just stop feeding them. They want your outrage.
Urban makes fun of Gameday and the next week ESPN puts out an article barely ranking him top 50 all time.
Urban must have kissed in a lot of bowls of Cheerios when he worked at ESPN. Those dudes hate him with a passion, from Fowler’s “some anonymous coach wants to punch you in the face” nonsense to letting Paterno, Switzer, Holtz off the hook with the cheating and sanctions they brought to their schools with “sometimes off field issues.”
And as to any ridiculous defensive talking points, ESPN definitely created and published this nonsense blurb. They have serious axes to grind, and they yet again are going way out of their way to try to shape the CFB narrative. Buncha freakin pencil necks.
These most be the same people who have voted for the B1G COY award for the last 40 years
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For the life of me I'll never understand why people still insist on giving them page views, there are far better alternatives out there...
This here site is the only alternative for me!
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They clearly give a lot of weight to sheer longevity, which is the only explanation for how they could put, for instance, Vince Dooley ahead of Meyer (Dooley was a terrific coach too, don't get me wrong).
But yeah, Urban is objectively just too low. Pete Carroll's career was really short, he wasn't more successful than Meyer, and he left under an even bigger cloud, and yet he's a few spots higher. I suspect that if Meyer wasn't working for a direct competitor, he just might have been higher on the list.
Gee; funny how they mention “off-field issues” as a detriment in both Tressel and Urban’s entries, but never brought them up with Pete Carroll and Barry Switzer, amongst others. This list is horseshit.
This list is horseshit.
I'm mean it's from ESPN, what did you expect? The entire organization is horseshit
There is no need to denigrate horseshit by comparing it with ESPN.
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Won over 85% of the games he coached and 3 National Championships and is rated #46.......I am not even going to bother looking at the rest of the list cause it's ridiculous.
Yeah and they insinuated that he left programs in bad shape. Okay, Florida wasn't left in bad shape. Cam Newton is the main reason that team fell off, and you can't blame that on Urban. And Urban handed off the most talented Ohio State team (based on composite recruiting rankings) to Day. Makes no sense.
Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win.
And look at Utah. Where are they now if not for what Urban did for that program? Are they even in the Pac-12?
to not have urban in the 1 spot is a mistake, relative to almost any of the others he is still young and his pace is ahead of everybody including saban. But to have Urban in any spot 1-4 is understandable. to have him at 46 is just pure moron level garbage.
Top four is a bit much, but he’s easily top 15. 46 is ludicrous.
Lol how is his pace ahead of Saban? He's currently retired and has half as many national championships.
The panel is quite diverse; I don’t see issues of alleged ESPN bias here.
But for UFM to be ranked so low tells me that he has either ticked off a number of the panelists in some fashion and/or the sheer number of arrests of FL players is something that is a factor for a bunch of voters and/or the suspension at Ohio State is an issue as well.
Because, while it might be hard to compare coaches over different decades, we have Saban and UFM side by side in the same generation. And if Saban is deemed #1 of this generation, then UFM is clearly 1A.
Literally the first sentence of Urban’s entry mentions how his teams were “plagued by off-field issues”. There’s NO DOUBT that this is the reason that he is ranked so low here. Fair or not, ZachGate placed him in Kevin Spacey/Harvey Weinstein territory for a lot of people.
Meyer is way too low.
I try very hard to believe that ESPN has no anti-OSU bias, but it's not working lately. I want to be objective and not view the world through scarlet-colored glasses, but c'mon.
Since now OSU and UMF are associated with team "FOX", it's not an issue of bias anymore, it's a business decision for ESPN.
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You do realize the voters come from various media outlets/former players from across the country, right? So are you saying that media members/former players not associated with ESPN are mad Urban works for Fox so they voted him so low?
Welp, while I know some ESPN analysts are absolutely anti-Ohio State, I was always on the ESPN as an entity is not anti-Ohio State side of the fence... until now. I am far from Meyer's biggest supporter on here; I believe Woody Hayes is the OSU GOAT, by a wide margin, and I say it often in the forums. Having said all of that, any sports-driven media organization which calls itself the 'world-wide leader' is supposed to produce content that validates its self-described prominence... but ESPN clearly does not do that. Urban Meyer is undeniably one of college football's ten most successful coaches of all-time... that's data, facts. The numbers are what they are, and while Meyer absolutely has 'issues' off the field, and while controversy followed him at both of his P5 stops, and while many people find him to be unlikable, or worse, the facts cannot be disputed... no matter how much ESPN doesn't like it. Listen, I could start a magazine about golf, and I could generate a list of the all-time greatest golfers in PGA history, and on that list I could have Jack Nicklaus, UNDENIABLY one of the three greatest professional golfers who has ever lived by ANY objective standard and arguably THE greatest golfer in history, in the 46 hole... and that would be proof positive to golf fans everywhere that I either know absolutely nothing about the sport, or that I hate Jack Nicklaus so much that I'm willing to sully my integrity and reputation to try to stick it to him. Putting Meyer at 46 is quite possibly the single most blatant disregard for journalism ethics and neutrality in sports media history. No one will ever again convince me that ESPN isn't an entirely biased, agenda-driven shit show with ZERO regard for standard of behavior.
And for those who are saying the panel is diverse and ESPN isn't the bad guy here, I say ESPN's editors -- journalists they call themselves -- freely decided to print this list under the ESPN umbrella, so they own it. Any sports editor/journalist worth last year's spit would have looked at this, laughed, and said, "While I might not care for Urban Meyer's 'history,' it is asinine that he's 46 not this list, and I won't print asinine work. Try harder, or at least be less obvious about your bias, because it's a bad look for us."
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This isn’t an anti-Ohio State bias on display here- it’s an anti-Urban Meyer bias. This is the result of Urban alienating many members of the media over the years. It’s unprofessional, petty bullshit, but it has virtually nothing to do with Ohio State. If you don’t believe me, just look at how this year’s Buckeye team has been treated by the media compared to the last few years. Fair or not (and a lot of it is entirely fair), a lot of the media just despise the guy.
It's like this entire article was written for the sole purpose of goading UFM back into coaching. There's absolutely nothing empirical about their rankings, it's a beauty and popularity contest. Don't get yourself worked up over it.
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Here's the thing, if we want to rank coaches based on all-time greatness, sure, I could see Urban out of the top 10 or so (we're thinking Rockne, Bear Bryant, Paul Brown, etc. type names here).
But we're talking about a guy who NEVER had a losing season? 3 NCs? 7 season in which he has 1 or less losses? 11-3 bowl record (10 of which bowls we're "major")?
And you say 46?....
If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.
Urban Meyer is one of only a handful of coaches to win mutliple national titles at more than one school.
Him, Saban, and someone else I'm forgetting. That achievement alone should have him higher than Tressel and Dabo.
I was also shocked to see Bob Stoops ranked in the top 30, what bullshit.
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Howard Jones won with both Yale and USC. Pop Warner won at both Pitt and Stanford.
Crooked-ass Barry Switzer at #13 tells me all I need to know about that list
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Lost me at ESPN.
Remember when ESPN only had highlights and stats.
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Trying to goad Urban out of retirement. Where they have Dabo by comparison is ridiculous.
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
Dude, urban is at 46 and lloyd carr is at 50.
That is unreal.
If you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!
i can see that many sportswriters dont like Urban so falling behind big name coaches who had a fraction of his success is not that shocking to me. However, I dont know how drunk you would have to get the grandchildren of John Robinson and Ben Schwartzwalder before they themselves would have the inclination to post a shitshow of a list such as this.
You guys all fell for it. Stop clicking espn links. They just want to rile up Buckeye Nation.
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If you are going to “rank” 150 coaches, you’ve got to have some methodology or scoring system. This is just an aggregation of 150 opinions of people that all have their own personal favorites.
The criteria should be as follows:
2-All-time winning percentage
3-Conference titles and bowl victories
4-number of winning seasons
That’s kind of what I was thinking, with deductions for scandals and awful seasons outside of the first three years of a coach’s tenure. Also some measure of a coach’s elevation of a particular program.
I also don’t think you can compare coaches from today with coaches from 100 years ago. The game and society has changed so much over the last century, I think you’d need to break it up into a few eras and go from there.
Urbans winning percentage is the best of all time (with coaches over 150 games only). Tress should be higher too because he has 5 National Championships, and 9 appearances.
I have no idea what the rankings are, I won't click on something that is so ridiculous to rank them so low.
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Holy F***, this list has Frank F****** Beamer ahead of Urban Meyer. I wouldn't wipe my ass with that list.
This list should be named .. a group of coaches some group of sports writers can name in some order other than alphabetical and with no regard for win percentage.
All outrage aside for a moment, the most comparable career to Urban’s would be Barry Switzer who went 157-29 with 3 championships and is ranked 13. Urban went 187-32 with 3 championships and is ranked 46. There is no sane criteria that can explain that. List is garbage.
Yeah, and because of mentioned off the field issues, they muct be painting Switzer as some saint. Yeah, right.
I have neither the time nor inclination to read all 150 of these entries, but in the few I read the only mention of “off the field issues” was with Urban. Seems like someone had an axe to grind.
Any list like this is an exercise in opinions - nothing more. There's no way to compare coaches when you factor in different eras, different players, different strength of schedules, etc. I don't know the first thing about coaching, but would have a better record than a good coach theoretically if I had the circumstances that could provide it.
Maybe a lot of voters don't like Urban - who knows. I don't believe there is some sort of institutional bias against Ohio State at ESPN though. We're one college, albeit a big one. We're not even an NFL team. We don't matter nearly as much to non OSU fans and the media as many of us would like to believe. Remember:
Some of us have OSU stuck at age 20.
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this is an exercise in opinion - nothing more
Subjective lists can still follow objective criteria. Overall wins, winning percentage, championships, these are all examples of objective criteria that could be used. Even subjective criteria such as cultural/historic impact or innovation can be applied in a uniform manner in order to maintain greater consistency in the rankings. There is nothing inherently arbitrary about opinion lists. This is just a lazy one.
Here is some context on Meyer: Bowling green went from 2-9 to 9-3 in year 1. Utah 5-6 to 10-2. Florida from 7-5 to 9-3. Ohio State from 6-6 to 12-0. Didn't lose as underdog this decade. Won national championships at 2 programs within 3 years of arriving. Was ranked within the top 5 at some point in all of his last 14 seasons. Finished ranked in the top 6 in 10 of his last 14 seasons. Has developed multiple P5 coaches and assistants. Elite recruiter. Its absurd.
Just a little preview of the off-season threads. Sweet baby Jesus in a manger, let the 28th get here already.
What I really don’t understand is why Fox doesn’t get bigger into article content like ESPN. ESPN isn’t even slightly subtle anymore about the bias thing - Fox could carve out a pretty nice niche with B1G and anyone else just tired of the unvarnished SEC fellating.
FOX needs to do exactly what they've been doing and not seep into the muck of a crap network like EsecPN..
If this is the product they’re willingly putting out, I don’t think Fox needs to invest and compete. ESPN seems willing to hang themselves, and we’re watching it happen in real time. Let them complete the job, and then step up and fill the void. What I REALLY don’t want to see is them picking up any of the clowns from ESPN. If I see Rece Davis, Chris Fowler or Herbstreit make a jump to Fox in the future, I might just swear off televised games entirely. Fox has a chance to do something great here and salvage CFB coverage. I want them to take their time, don’t cheat the process, and do it right.
Opinions are are like....well you know. This would qualify.
Lmao. Urban is no worse than top 10 and that is pushing it. I would say top 5 easy. That article is a joke
Disrespectful. Articles a joke.
Mods should probably take the link out of the post. They don't deserve the clicks for this. They are clearly triggered Urban is at Fox and took shots at them a few weeks ago.
I am not one for the SEC bias narrative but this is a clear troll job and/or vendetta.
Joe Paterno made the list.
Urban Meyer is easily at worst a top 5 coach of all-time if not the best of all time. EsecPN per usual is a crap network that uses crap metrics in order to hide their true agenda/biases against OSU.
Per usual, you let your emotions rule the day rather than actually taking time to, you know, actually research something. Only 20% of those who voted in this poll work for ESPN. This is a FACT. Now, I’m sure you’ll use your gold medal winning mental gymnastics to spin this into something it’s not, but the fact remains this isn’t proof of anything....unless you also think the rest of the sports world has anti-OSU bias as well.