Jordan Fuller Thankful for Reversed Targeting Call Against Michigan: “I Definitely Thought I Was Going to Be Thrown Out”

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TGinn7's picture

Denzel Ward has entered the chat. 

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Moutarde's picture

That was such a BS ejection, which marred what would have otherwise been a hall-of-fame call by Gus Johnson.

A thing repeated will happen a third time.

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Buxki84's picture

The refs made 2 mistakes on that play. Mistake #1 was the phony targeting call and mistake #2 was blowing the play dead. A correct review when have resulted in no targeting and a fumble recovered by Ward returned for a TD.

Officials should let plays unfold with no whistle, then go to review. If it's not a fumble, review can change the call and give the ball back to the offense. If it's a fumble, but the official incorrectly blew the play dead, there is no way to allow for the return. You would think that as long as review has been in use, officials would understand this by now.

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MassiveAttack's picture

"You got barbeque back there??!!  And didn't invite me??!!  HURT MY FEELINGS!!!"

The third mistake was that the Replay Official CONFIRMED the targeting call.

The Ohio State University - "Haters love us!" 
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Yoda888's picture

That was definitely a legendary comment by Gus Johnson.  That man literally brings the game into your living room.

Yoda888

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Those nasty tweets were sent out because certain people viewed it through maize and blue colored glasses, and don’t think it costs them anything to call someone out on their character.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Like that old granny that called him a thug.   That fan base is filled with asshats.  

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Seattleosufan's picture

It was the wrong thing to write about  Fuller but she did come back, say she was way out line, apologize, and delete what she wrote . I believe she apologized to Fuller on his feed too. That’s way more than you’d get from those asshats at Mgoblog. 

Deserves got nothin' to do with it

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BuckeyePat's picture

True. But coining someone a “thug” because they’re black and play football is ridiculous

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Extramedium's picture

I think she called him a thug because she viewed it as a violent hit and reacted emotionally rather than logically... I'm not sure him being black had anything to do with it since the player he hit was also black.  

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BuckeyePat's picture

Yeah, I’m sure she Called Tuf a thug when he socially delivered the same hit on Ronnie Bell. . .

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NHBuckeye's picture

Yeah, I did see that she deleted that tweet and apologized.  Good on her.    Still, Fuller is the furthest thing from a ‘thug’.   He’s an academic All American, and by all accounts is one of the most respected players on the team.   

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Beantown Buckeye's picture

Yes, good she apologized as she did. Still, I was so disappointed to see an accomplished, experienced and professional journalist and writer use "thug" to describe Fuller. 

Thug is a charged word. See here. And here

Here, too. I could go on. 

Here is an excerpt from the NPR story linked above:

MCWHORTER: Well, the truth is that thug today is a nominally polite way of using the N-word. Many people suspect it, and they are correct. When somebody talks about thugs ruining a place, it is almost impossible today that they are referring to somebody with blond hair. It is a sly way of saying there go those black people ruining things again. And so anybody who wonders whether thug is becoming the new N-word doesn't need to. It's most certainly is.

Unconscious (implicit) racial bias has been shown to be more expressed when under stress. No doubt seeing your beloved Wolverines get crushed yet again, is stress inducing! 

Here is what THE Ohio State University Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity says about implicit race bias.

I was disappointed because, regardless of the apology, continued use of such language (especially in this circumstance) reflects racial bias perpetuates injustice. 

Go Bucks!

-Beantown Buckeye

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

I wonder what she had to say about Cam McGrone's hit out of bounds.

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Dstacify's picture

So was I. We would've been fucked at the safety position for this Saturday if Fuller couldn't play (especially with Proctor and Wade both currently dinged up which likely would've led to Hooker Jr. getting the start in the first half).

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NHBuckeye's picture

Proctor is going to be a beast next season.  And I though Hooker looked ok out there on Saturday.  

Glad to have Fuller back there directing the traffic though.   That dude is playing lights out this year.  

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Dstacify's picture

Proctor is going to be a beast no doubt but he's hurt right now (he didn't even make the trip to Ann Arbor last weekend) which is why Hooker was out there receiving extended snaps late in the game. If Hooker is anything like his brother I'd love to see him playing but so far he hasn't really been able to show it. And regardless of how you spin it losing Fuller would've been a huge loss (he's the QB of our defense back there).

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NHBuckeye's picture

Fuller would've been a huge loss

For sure.  There is no doubt about that. 

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letsgobucks's picture

Fields is the only player we may not be able to replace this year. Other than qb, we have plenty of options to "next man up". Including Hooker..

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Sanitarian2's picture

Sure,  next MAN but not next THREE men in this case as you would potentially have three starting D-Backs out for the championship game. I don't care how much valuable depth you have behind the starters, at that point it's going to hurt.

Sani

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letsgobucks's picture

I agree. I was only referring to Hooker. He wouldn't be out there if he wasn't ready. But I agree with your above as well...

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OSU725's picture

I remember watching this play and asking myself what exactly is he suppose to do in that situation. Glad it was overturned. 

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BucMan's picture

Exactly!  But this time, the system worked as it was intended to work.  Viewed live at game speed, the refs are told to make that call....given the time to at least attempt to determine the intent of the defensive player lets the review judge get it right.

Year for what?

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Major H's picture

D P-J had a couple drops Saturday, but it looks like he was close to pulling that one in before Fuller's hit.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

He wasn't the only one completely shocked that they reversed the call.  The Buckeyes don't exactly have good luck with those calls.

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input4u's picture

The slight contact with the head wasn't intentional.  You could see he was going for the ball and even stripped it out of the receivers hands finishing the play.  Glad they got this one correct and YES we don't get the benefit of the doubt usually on those.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

I am thrilled the call was reversed. Something called me away for about 5 minutes and I had forgotten about the call. This young man is a classy individual who is a stud in the classroom. He is a jewel in this teams crown. Glad all went well since I missed the resolution initially.

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Extramedium's picture

There has been a pretty clear difference between this year and previous years in terms of targetting calls (and non-calls) all over the league.   It's obvious they realized it was out of hand and unfair to defenders trying to do their job when incidental contact happened.

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AltaBuck's picture

If DPJ doesn't lower is head then Fuller hits him right in the chest and it's a legal hit.  You can't expect the defensive player to back off in a split second.  One could argue that DPJ is not defenseless precisely because he lowers his head.

“That’s the way you respect a rivalry. Then you outwork them and then you kick that ass like it’s never been kicked before” - Urban F Meyer

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stpetebuck's picture

I believe this to be a perfect explanation. 
that’s what I saw 

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Extramedium's picture

The commentators calling him "defenseless" was the funny part.. if he's considered defenseless, you wouldn't be allowed to ever hit a receiver catching a pass over the middle.

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buckeyepastor's picture

Really glad they reversed it, as a buckeye who knows we need Fuller against Wisconsin but also as a football fan who wants to see them use some common sense in the enforcement of targeting.  There is contact to the head that happens as a result of someone carelessly and deliberately launching themselves at that area.  Then, there is contact to the head that happens when a person's upper-body changes its position a fraction of a second prior to contact, or during the follow-through of what begins as a perfectly clean hit to the chest or shoulder of a player.   To me, intent has to count for something.  A head lowering by 8 inches just as the defensive player is initiating contact has to count for something. 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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2morrow's picture

I was surprised as well - many/most of the targeting calls are bs. What is the tackler supposed to do when you are going full speed and the "defenseless" player lowers his head? That call on Bosa vs. Iowa was so bogus and we've had many others. Even the Bosa one vs ND - that wouldn't even have knocked the wind out of me - even though he led with the top of his helmet.

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Extramedium's picture

I didn't have much of a problem with the ND one as far as targetting went. Regardless if it would have hurt a powerful internet commenter, he clearly hit him directly with the crown of the helmet which is the definition of targetting.

What I don't understand is why a hit that happened after the pass was in the air negated the interception that happened after it.

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2morrow's picture

You then must be a powerful internet commenter. Its the definition that is bogus. So, I'm stumbling forward with my head down and run into another player with the top of my helmet - similar to I am going in to make a tackle and the receiver lowers his head or trajectory - about 80% of the targeting calls I've seen have been total bs.

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

One of the few good decisions the NCAA has made is targeting can no longer simply stand as called. It becomes like court, the defendant is innocent until proven guilty. If there's any question behind a targeting call, the player stays in the game.
It was clearly the right decision to not eject Fuller. He didn't lower his head in the slightest, and Peoples-Jones lowered his own head, causing Fuller to collide with him.

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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Serral's picture

Watching the replay, it was clear that the receiver dropped his head at the last second and caused the contact. Still, I was surprised it was overturned since it did technically fall under targeting even though the receiver caused it.

Kudos to the review team for realizing that 1. There was no intent, and 2. Fuller could not have done anything there when the receiver drops his head down at the last second like that.

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

It was a good call - nothing he could have done - the neck can only bend so far from the shoulder! 

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tennbuckeye19's picture

DPJ lowered his head and the initial hit from Fuller was high but ended up going to his chest. If DPJ doesn't lower himself, there's no issue with the hit. I don't know what the heck you're supposed to do as a defender. Are they supposed to predict what the offensive player is gonna do in fractions of a millisecond?

Needless to say, I was pleasantly surprised by the reversal.

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Sanitarian2's picture

Yes, the contact to the head was so minimal that I had to watch the replay several times before I could even pick it up. That said I also figured that with the officiating being what it is today that he'd be gone.

Sani

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Extramedium's picture

The rule and its interpretation is different this year than previous years

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

I told my wife at the time I did not THINK he would be ejected, she was impressed with my lucky guess for some reason LOL.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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BeijingBucks's picture

Relief. Our safety room is emptier without fuller 

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

ISWYDT!

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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Larryp713's picture

My reaction was like - dang, yes technically he went high and DPJ was defenseless, but this rule needs to change. Fuller totally held up and didn't try to hurt him. When they reversed the call and took the penalty off the board, it totally blew my mind and my faith in humanity has been restored. Go Bucks!!!

Respectfully,

Larryp713

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BeepBeep's picture

by curling up and dropping his head he is not defenceless. That is the definition of defending one's body.

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Extramedium's picture

If he was defenseless, you might as well make it illegal to tackle receivers on crossing routes

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selmer862's picture

I thought at the time, and still think, that the main reason that they let it go was that DPJ was still fighting for control of the ball, and it seemed to me that he isn't entitled to be considered defenseless while he is trying to gain control and the defenders are trying to knock it loose. The targeting rule mystifies us all at times, but I am glad they didn't set a precedent that illegal to hit a guy in the chest with the shoulder while possession is still in dispute. 

"You don't win when you're too damned happy, and I like to win"--Woody Hayes

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

I don't think that "possession is still in dispute" factors in at all. The receiver is even more helpless if he is still trying to secure the ball. 

I am still blown away that TTUN wasn't called for targeting last year as Haskins slid on a run. 

I imagine that, if Fuller had been suspended for the first half of the Big Ten CG, White may have been given a crash course at returning to safety for the first half of the game.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

At the time I expected the call would stand, but I'm really happy it didn't. 

We'll need Fuller, Wade, and Arnette healthy and ready if we're going to shutout Wisconsin like I think we can. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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TShell's picture

There is no more "call stands" for targeting. It's either fully confirmed or reversed. That's probably the best thing they could have done with this particular rule.

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letsgobucks's picture

While I'm anxious for Hooker to prove that he's ready to contribute I was happy (and surprised) the call was reversed.. now let's get Wade back healthy and let's roll!

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

I am glad most are expected to be mostly healthy for our next game. If we're fortunate and get a comfortable lead against Wisc., we need to set Fuller to keep him 100% healthy while figuring out who's 2nd and 3rd best. Next man up could be 1 play away at all times and at all positions. Luckily God is a Buckeye.

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chibucks's picture

i think the element in question is whether fuller is "attacking" DPJ - granted, he made contact with DPJ's head after it was lowered after the catch, but i think it didn't quite meet the "attacking" element of targeting:

Launch — a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area

A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground

Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area

Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

“This is the way.”

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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NHBuckeye's picture

ISWYDT.   Episode 4 is now out.  

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

It’s so good. I just felt that after all the drama and reversal and we just move on with our lives and accept things as they are. My new ethos. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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Trebor40's picture

I am grateful that the man got to finish his senior season the right way!

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YinzerBuckeye's picture

I'm honestly starting to wonder what the definition of "targeting" is. Last year, I saw officiating call mostly anything that involved a helmet hitting another helmet, even when it was clear the defender was trying to bring to slow himself down, called as targeting. This year, it's mostly the same thing, except I've seen a lot of hits that could be passed as targeting, (Whop Philyor getting hammered against PSU, Dobbins getting drilled in the helmet against MSU to name a few.) not called. Fuller's hit obviously wasn't targeting, but if this were last season, We wouldn't be seeing him next week.

"Why doesn't Ohio State put a logo on their helmet? Because they'd rather cover it with your misery.
Block by block, hit by hit, score by score. Football is art, and the helmet is their canvas." - Doug Stamper

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Extramedium's picture

Last year it was "guilty until proven innocent" this year it's "innocent until proven guilty."  The replay didn't clearly show he was trying to hit DPJ in the head, so it was overturned.

But I agree, it seems like they are making an effort to call it less to begin with when they aren't sure.

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sunshinestatebuckeye's picture

The targeting rule, needs to be further refined and clarified.  Too many defensive players have been unfairly ejected, by inadvertent , helmet to helmet contact, where it there was clearly, no intent involved.  Removing a key player in a closely contested game, can influence the outcome.  The rule loses it's legitimacy when this occurs.   Too many players are being penalized and unfairly punished.

In this case, the Michigan receiver, is the one who lowers his helmet, not the defender.

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Extramedium's picture

That's why they changed the replay policy and Fuller wasn't ejected.

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Turfgrad's picture

Great hit!  Great Call!  Next issue please.

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