Can Indiana Take MSU's Place in the Big Ten Pecking Order?

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Barfolomew's picture

They'll be solid again next year if they have a healthy Penix. They're ahead of MSU until Sparty mixes up their offensive staff and finds a Penix of their own.

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oprettyricky's picture

Yep. Gotta have a healthy, fully-functioning Penix to be up there

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

I hear they make pills if your Penix isn’t performing up to par. 

Man….. this football team.-Jeff Okudah 

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SoulPatrol32's picture

Penix to be up there

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

Call the NCAA if your Penix stays healthy for more than four consecutive games

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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Earle's picture

Sparty has had Penixes in the past.  I'm just not sure that Dino is up to the task anymore.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Pride cometh before the fall of your Penix.

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cledaybuck's picture

How about they beat Sparty first.  I'm not sure Indiana is even better this year.  If IU had Wisconsin, Illinois, and Arizona State instead of Nebraska, Purdue, and UConn, would there record be any different than MSU?

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Hovenaut's picture

Agree.

IU will have a better finish, but Sparty still won head-to-head.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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Sideshow's picture

I think if those two teams played now, IU MIGHT win. That game with Sparty was close until the very last play, and the two teams have moved in different directions since.

“When we feel love and kindness toward others, it not only makes others feel loved and cared for, but it helps us also to develop inner happiness and peace.” – Dalai Lama.

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Hovenaut's picture

This is true, agree.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

With the exception of their game against us, Indiana has looked much more competitive than MSU in games with common opponents. 

I think MSU and Indiana are probably equivalent teams right now, though I'll concede MSU has played the tougher schedule. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

I just checked the B1G recruiting rankings, and they are pretty evenly matched. MSU slightly ahead, but both toward the bottom of the pack, with small classes thus far.  There could be a big swing by signing day.  (Yes, I know there's a Penix joke in there somewhere.)  Without doing a deep dive on their rosters/graduations, etc. I'd say IU is the favorite for 4th spot in the conference next year, but I can't see them rising to the levels that MSU achieved back in the mid-decade.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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Sideshow's picture

To answer your question: yes, Indiana can. 60% of the team's two-deep is comprised of sophomores and freshmen, and accordingly, Tom Allen has been quoted as stating that the team should improve in each of the next two years, with a peak in 2021. They're also recruiting better than they have in the modern era with an MSU-esque four blue-chip signees last year (and a higher average recruit ranking than I can remember). Their recruiting this year doesn't look to be as good yet, but they've been great at finding under the radar players and they still have time to bring in a strong class, though it will be low on numbers.

So, unless something drastic happens, they should grow into that highly competitive MSU-level team in the next year or two. But as to winning the B1G East as MSU did a few times under Dino, I don't see that right now. Rather, I see an Iowa level program in the future that will play the big three well and aspire to knock them off. I don't know if I see them getting to that point and actually winning the division. I don't see it yet.

“When we feel love and kindness toward others, it not only makes others feel loved and cared for, but it helps us also to develop inner happiness and peace.” – Dalai Lama.

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LandonTruckedCollins's picture

I mean in theory its possible I suppose but I think they are just lucky to have Maryland and Rutgers in the division to be doormats. Maybe for the next couple years they'll be alright and MSU will continue to slide but long term I just don't think this will ever hold. 

They literally have one OKAY season in the past decade and their season this year would not be considered a success at all by the fanbases in Columbus, Ann Arbor, East Lansing or State College.  Even after the addition of Maryland and Rutgers guaranteeing a competent Big Ten East team two conference wins per year, Indiana has managed just a single decent season.  And they had wins against Ball State, Eastern Illinois, and UConn!!!!

Fuck it they are trash lol. Pump the brakes.

Edit: Did some quick research. Indiana's last winning season outside of this year was in 2007 and they were 7-6 with wins over Indiana State, Western Michigan, Akron, and Ball State. They dominated the MAC that year.

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BeatMeechigun's picture

No.

I think MSU does continue this slide, but I do not think IU stabilizes ahead of them.  Could IU finish ahead of them next year?  Yes.  But take this out 10 years and MSU will have the better record.

One problem for MSU (aside from the offensive coaching) is that when TTUN is up they tend to be down and visa versa.  They just don't have the national pull of the OSU, TTUN, PSU, and ND brands that surround them.  But, they do have the facilities and appeal to out-recruit IU.

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bd2999's picture

IU is about where they normally are. Able to cause a problem to the bigger teams under the right conditions and have some tough games against the middish teams. Their schedule helped them a fair bit. They honestly need to do something before they get much credit. Winning is fine, but they did not beat anybody in the East outside of Rutgers and Maryland. Not even MSU.

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