Ohio State President Michael Drake Announces He Will Retire in 2020

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bbb's picture

Gee was a snake oil salesman. Good riddance on him too

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bd2999's picture

Seemed like a nice enough guy in person that was very much helpful to the University. He was a good money raiser, but also spent a ton of it on random things. He comments were pretty stupid about Tress though. He was just joking but you have to be mindful of such things.

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bbb's picture

Yeah, he was nice. Snake oil salesmen are nice. He also sold the parking to a private company owned by people he knows for a 10th of its value

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schlichtersbookie's picture

You are definitely in the minority on this one. Everyone in the world has said something in their life that they have eventually regret, including you. To call someone a snake oil salesman for some comments he made wile being secretly recorded is ridiculous. I have never met one other student during my time at OSU that didn't love Gordon Gee. Athletes loved him for being in locker rooms celebrating after big wins across all sports. Students loved him for always being around approachable. He would even show up to house parties on random Saturdays to take pictures (never saw him drink) with students.

As a comparison, my wife and sister in-law went to Ohio and Cincinnati and the only time they ever saw their university president on campus was at graduation.

A Buckeye born and bred, a Buckeye til I'm dead.

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bbb's picture

hahaha no this has nothing to do with any comments he made. It has everything to do with the fact he sold off the university's property at a fraction of its value to his buddies.
sure, he showed up to parties and was friendly. people liked him. he was still a snake oil salesman

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wvcbus08's picture

You don't know 1/10th of what Gee did for the university.  But sure continue to point out one example.

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va_buck's picture

Wasn't Gee the driver behind the switch from Quarters to Semesters?  Not a fan of that followership move.

VA_Buck

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JJBuckeye's picture

We’re you interested in that property?  Go Bucks

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TJG32's picture

Do you actually think the BoT would approve such a sale if he sold the parking rights for a fraction of its value?

TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.

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Fatpants's picture

That sounds like something that the trustees would be required to vote on.

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ShaneFalco's picture

$483M for 50 years. Invested it is expected to return $3.1B to the University and has already added over $50M to the endowment. Seems like a pretty good return.

I read blitz

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jrgdds's picture

Good riddance of Drake!  James Patrick Tressel is a Buckeye through and through with experience as a university president.  He's the a fantastic choice to replace Drake.

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cricejr's picture

I'm sure you have a whole list of reasons at to why Drake was a terrible president for this university.  I'd like to see this long list of problems.

I bleed scarlet...literally

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Sav45age's picture

I don't have a whole long list of dislikes, but my list of things he personally did to make OSU better during his time is so short it doesn't exist.

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RyanHamby-Hands's picture

You mean besides the fact that he insisted that Urban get a two game suspension last year when clearly there was nothing Urban did that violated any school policies regarding the zack Smith situation....you can not tell me that the school not having Urbans back last year didn't effect him choosing to retire

#MuckFichigan

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45has2's picture

Drake wanted Urb fired, he was vetoed by trustees.

Censores irrumasti.

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JJBuckeye's picture

If anyone should have been fired it was the AD. Urban informed him and nothing was done. Go Bucks

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This is a fake narrative.  The school has to worry about protecting the brand of more than it’s football program.  If you can’t understand why it was poor judgment to hire a guy with DV issues, keep it from your employer, then not let him go when your boss tells you to, I don’t know what to tell you.  Protecting the school’s brand and winning maximum football games are not the same thing. If you would take your S&G glasses off for a second and did a Google search, there were plenty of unbiased people appalled over the lenient suspension, including one board of trustee member who resigned over it.  And this from one of Meyer’s biggest supporters on here

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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andretolstoy's picture

Protecting the brand actually requires stones. Urban Meyer and the football program are actually part of the brand. Drake didn't do this. All he did was take the easy way out to quiet the noise because he either didn't want to deal with it, he agreed with it, or was just looking out for his own.

After the Urban Meyer debacle, notwithstanding that Meyer made some bad coaching choices, what Drake ultimately did was coalesce to the mob mentality that exists out there portraying weakness, and more or less said that the University agreed with what hysterical media nuts who flooded social media were saying instead of standing on principle. That doesn't bode well for the future of the University or who they're going to fill his shoes come next year.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

You conclusion makes sense only if your assessment (that Meyer did nothing wrong), is correct.  I am telling you that this is NOT the assessment of many outside of the OSU community, at least from what I glean from a sampling of stories out there.  Your comment about "protecting the brand actually requires stones" makes zero sense (it shows you don't grasp the difference of protecting the general OSU brand from the sub-football brand).  I could argue advocating for the firing one of the greatest coaches of all time because of poor judgement requires stones few, if any have.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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45has2's picture

Neither the police nor the court system say there was a DV issue with Zach Smith. Hell, they couldn't even convict him of trespassing. Please tell us how you know what no one else does. 

Censores irrumasti.

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andretolstoy's picture

In this instance, even if Smith didn't actually commit DV, he was still a bad choice by Meyer. I THINK Meyer has taken ownership of this.

The point being here is that Drake chose to listen to raging lunatics rather than reason to come to a decision. This is what irks most of  us.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Fatpants's picture

The point being here is that Drake chose to listen to raging lunatics rather than reason to come to a decision. This is what irks most of  us.

I think if Drake had listened to raging lunatics, Meyer would've gotten fired. Meyer kept his mentor's grandson on the payroll for too long, even when he knew full well he was a problem. That's deserving of discipline. 

And what do people want from Drake in that situation? To stand up and say Courtney was lying? He'd have gotten absolutely destroyed for that and would've turned a bad situation into a giant black eye for the university.

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andretolstoy's picture

Correction. Had he not had been listening to Twitterland, nothing should have happened to Meyer at all, including suspension https://theozone.net/2018/09/osu-president-michael-drake-majority/

What did I want Drake to do? He didn't have to say Courtney was lying. All he had to do was follow the report. The only egregious thing that happened was that Meyer mismanaged an employee, which happens daily. Lots of people are given second chances, especially ones that are being accused of stuff they didn't actually do.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Fatpants's picture

Correction. Had he not had been listening to Twitterland, nothing should have happened to Meyer at all, including suspension https://theozone.net/2018/09/osu-president-michael-drake-majority/

Jeff Snook. Grain of salt. 

The only egregious thing that happened was that Meyer mismanaged an employee, which happens daily.

Consequences for such actions tend to be, and should be, more severe when you're getting paid $7 million a year. And in his mismanagement, he brought stink on the university and made them spend half a mil to sort it out. 

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andretolstoy's picture

Who says it needed to be more severe? Administrative leave is actually pretty severe.

If not Snook, then who? McMurphy? Someone from Yahoo News? ESPN? USA Today?

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Pahimar's picture

To not suck at the press conference was all I wanted from him. Urban was openly fuming. Drake looked just...did not project the way you'd expect a university president to. Gene was the only one who seemed halfway competent in that whole debacle.

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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

Pahimar,

Drake's body language at that press conference said it all.  He was looking down his nose at Urban, arms folded across his chest  with an air of superiority that says "I've got you now." He clearly wanted to take Urban down a notch. What he SHOULD have done was quote the facts - no violations, everything reported as it was supposed to be, and ZS was never charged and never convicted, end of story - and stand up for his people.  He's a politically correct panzy asshat. 

Two words for drake:  Good Riddance.

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This is a common misdirection of the issue.  Meyer wasn't disciplined because Zach Smith committed DV.  Meyer is essentially the CEO of an organization that has responsibilities to protect a very valuable commodity, and the following, at the very least, is poor judgement: 1) hiring someone who was investigated for DV; 2) keeping this information from your employer; 3) refusing to terminate the employee after your boss told you to (not just for the DV allegations, but other transgressions that were eventually revealed); 4) not choosing your words carefully at a presser that could be construed as misrepresenting the situation.  

Though I think "court action" is a red herring, I will offer one more thing for you to consider as we go down this irrelevant rabbit hole.  There are plenty of cases that are not prosecuted or do not end in a conviction because the standard of proof for the government is a lofty one--proof beyond a reasonable doubt.  This is not a standard that automatically applies to non-governmental agencies, and indeed, is not the standard that is typically used.  It is why, for example, you see players punished in the NFL where there is no conviction and/or before there is a conviction, because that standard is not being employed.  

As I said above, most people on here only care about Ohio State winning football games, and either care less (or much less) about the school's image, about its brand and future profits, and whether the school gets sued somewhere down the line.  Those people can afford to be sanctimonious and throw around SJW type analysis, while the people being paid millions to make sure the school's image remains in tact do not have such a luxury. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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andretolstoy's picture

Yet the narrative is still that he covered up for an abuser, which wasn't the case. Meyer was punished already for the things you number. The extra punishment was fodder for the hysteria that Drake chose to satisfy. I don't know whether he actually wanted Meyer fired or not, but everything Drake did smacks of being a servant of anything other than principle or courage. His service was to the hysteria. And because of this the narrative still exists. He could have done the right thing he chose to dance with it and be the goose and the gander.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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va_buck's picture

The board of trustee who resigned wasn't engaged in the process and stormed off like a petulant child.

VA_Buck

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fear_the_nut70's picture

That is your characterization of his behavior because presumably you disagree with his analysis.  Hopefully you never find yourself so outraged over what you perceive to be an injustice that you must make a personal sacrifice in order to be able to look yourself in the mirror. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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CALPOPPY's picture

You mean besides the fact that he insisted that Urban get a two game suspension last year...

Where is any proof for this? In fact, a board member quit because the punishment was too lenient (in that board member’s mind). Who said that Drake insisted on the suspension? Or was this just conjecture?

Can anyone find a reputable source for this? If not, this is no better than the unfounded conjecture that Brett McMurphy was spreading about Trevon Grimes.

Memento mori

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JJBuckeye's picture

Of course that board member was right in their mind/s. Go Bucks

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CALPOPPY's picture

Of course that board member was right in their mind/s. Go Bucks

I guess my point was not whether that specific board member was right, but that maybe Drake was trying to work with the BOT, which appeared split on the issue of whether Meyer should receive a suspension. 
I have read on 11W countless times, without any proof, that Drake hates Meyer, hates football, and wanted Meyer suspended at all costs. I’m just making the argument that nobody has offered any proof to support those claims, and that maybe Drake was simply implementing the recommendation of the BOT, rather than driving the BOT. From my understanding, the President serves the BOT, not the other way around.

Memento mori

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andretolstoy's picture

I don't think Drake hates Meyer. In fact, I don't think Drake is a bad guy or a bad President. He just proved to be more interested in coalescing to cultural norms than principle when it came to this particular case. He played the part so his social circle would let him hang around and so he could still rub elbows at big-wig social events. This happens to be the polar opposite of Meyer's attitude on life, and probably most elite level coaches who are  used to bucking the system because they actually have to take care of kids and staff on a personal level, not just on paper.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

this is ridiculous.  You apparently aren't capable of grasping that some see the situation differently than you.  You should google the incident and educate yourself.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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andretolstoy's picture

Sure I'll Google it and get the truth.

You mean I'm not capable of grasping the narrative that exists out there.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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AC1972's picture

Don't forget his bullsh!t firing of the band director. A lot of past band members are still salty about that one. 

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

So? The university has over 32K employees. He was just one.  As others have posted, Drake inherited a steaming pile.  At the time, I thought it was unfortunate that that happened at the very beginning of his tenure, but part of being the top dog is making hard decisions. I don't know the all of the relevant facts in this case, and I'm willing to bet that neither do you, but I'm not going to judge his entire term off of one item, any more that I will judge Meyer based only on the Iowa game.  It all goes onto the balance, and sometimes it takes awhile to see where it settles.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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SilverHaven's picture

Keep reading, the reasons are enumerated in the posts below.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Yuman's picture

I’m already updating my resume! Is a high diploma required?

Rlc

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bbb's picture

Drake is an elite academic researcher and he led an elite academic institution, not a football business

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KerryEffinCoombs's picture

My general impression from the biology/chemistry researchers here was one of disapproval with Pres Drake. I tend to stay outside of administrative politics, but any mention of him that I heard was negative.

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CALPOPPY's picture

My general impression from the faculty that I know (in CAES, and other colleges and departments on campus), were that Drake was personable and well-liked. Never heard anything but positivity when discussing Michael Drake and his job as President of OSU.

Memento mori

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JJBuckeye's picture

Are you reputable source?  Go Bucks

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CALPOPPY's picture

Are you reputable source?  Go Bucks

For what? Whether my friends, family, and colleagues like Michael Drake? Sure, I suppose that I am reputable.

Memento mori

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Jumar's picture

Can confirm CP is reputable.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Can confirm CP is reputable.

I would offer "mostly" reputable.

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CALPOPPY's picture

Can confirm CP is reputable.

I would offer "mostly" reputable.

Dammit! You all are assholes!

Memento mori

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Dammit! You all are assholes!

Mostly

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JJBuckeye's picture

I resemble that remark sometimes. I should have used the /s. My bad. Go Bucks

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KerryEffinCoombs's picture

You are probably correct because different departments/colleges in a large university typically have quite disparate opinions of the administration. I can only speak for what I've heard in Biology/Chemistry, which was universally negative. To be fair, Pres Drake was very highly regarded among the Pelotonia organization. He is a great supporter of Pelotonia, which I appreciate.

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Sav45age's picture

If Urban didn’t even think was elite, how could you?

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Yeah no.  Think what you want about Tatgate, but he left with an OSC.  This is exactly what you would expect a football centric fan to post.  Ohio State is more than just a football program.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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gobucks1966's picture

 Not sure but I thought you had to have a certain amount of education to be a President at a University ? From what I was told The Vest lacks the education you need to be a President at YSU ? I admit I don't like Tress and didn't before he ever came here for reason I will keep to myself so I won't be found in the bottom of Lake Erie. I would want Urban before Tress if you’re looking for football reasons because he has much more clout.  He probably lacks what you need too?

Denny

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Go1Bucks's picture

Can he take Smith with him?

Go Bucks! TTUN tears are best! Beat Wisky!!!

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Nick's picture

Smith made a HUGE mistake that cost the team a national championship, but besides that I think he has been very good. I thought that was a good reason to fire him then, but that is so long ago that you have to look past it now.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

A shot at the national championship*

Gene is perfect for today's world. OSU could not be in better hands.

Proudly dispensing unbridled arrogance since 1983.

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stantmann's picture

Didn't hear much about him through the years, but the handling of the Urban suspension while saying he didn't do anything wrong still sticks in my craw.

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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RyanHamby-Hands's picture

If there's 1 thing the University values more than football it's the Wexner Medical Center .....since Drake has been President we have lost countless Doctors to West Virginia.......this is more than likely why he's retiring before being fired

#MuckFichigan

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nickel beer's picture

WVa, wow, I didn't know that--is there any link/article I can see regarding that?  What was he doing to drive the docs away--to WVa, holy sht?  My understanding was that he was brought here specifically bc of his previous university admin experience with sizeable medical operations.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

If true, it could be due to Gee being the president of WVU, and cherry-picking folks that he knows from OSU.  Not uncommon in any field.  

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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New_Albany_Buckeye's picture

Sorry for the edit.
This was posted one nanosecond after Left’s post.  Absolutely true what Hamby said about losing doctors among other things involving The James and other things. 
FYI not football related before people who start saying, “you’re a football homer that’s why you hate him”.  

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”

Mark Twain

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nickel beer's picture

Thanks, you two.  When you're thousands of miles away, it's a true thing that not everything worth knowing is in the alum mags and univ publications.

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Das Hufeisen's picture

Best wishes to him and his family. I know a President does a thousand different things but the handling of the Urban/Zach Smith debacle did not inspire confidence in his leadership.

AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built

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AtlantaBuckeye's picture
From YSU coach to Ohio State coach....from YSU President to Ohio State President! 

But when sloopy wears that red dress, yeah... You know, it gives me the chills

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keith7456's picture

He has to be at the top of the list and it should be his if he wants it.

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The Braden's picture

Though he is a solid choice (and would be my personal pick), the university board will probably capitulate to social trends and hire someone with a much more diverse and culturally safe background and tone.

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keith7456's picture

Probably. Sometimes places make these decisions more difficult than they need to be and it hurts them in the end. Who knows if Tressel would even want to leave YSU as that is home to him, but if they don't at least give him the opportunity to interview they are messing up.

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cricejr's picture

I have enough life experience to know exactly what you mean.  And you're right, I'm sure education will have nothing to do with this choice, just "diversity and culturally safe background", right? 

Would you have said that before Drake?  Are you saying that every single President before was chosen for "diversity and culturally safe background" "reasons?  I wonder, what makes Drake different from them?  What would lead someone to even bring up "diversity and culturally safe background"?

I bleed scarlet...literally

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RyanHamby-Hands's picture

If I remember right the idea of hiring Drake was to get a West coast Ivy league man in charge to help with education

#MuckFichigan

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The Braden's picture

I'm disengaging from this conversation due to triggering an overuse of double quotes.

Go Buckeyes.

Tressel 2020

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JJBuckeye's picture

Of course you are.  Go Bucks

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CALPOPPY's picture

You have a point, JJ? I don’t understand what you’re driving at.

Memento mori

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JJBuckeye's picture

I’m sorry. My comment was for The Braden. Nothing directed towards you. Go Bucks

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CALPOPPY's picture

I’m sorry. My comment was for The Braden. Nothing directed towards you. Go Bucks

Thank you. I was confused.

It can be hard to follow the replies at times.

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Dear god no PC University president. Let’s get back to common sanity, so happy Drake is “retiring “, lol

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BrutusB's picture

Lol no he's not.  YSU made him president because he could fundraise from all the alumni.  OSU is going to hire someone with a doctorate that has spent 30+ years in academia.  Despite all its publicity, athletics is still just a tiny piece of the overall pie.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Love Tressel, but I'm with you - there's no way a rational person would think Tressel is on their list of candidates.  The OSU machine is much, much larger than the athletic department.

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steveinkc's picture

The President Of a major university is the face of that university! When you sit at the highest level of that university you should be well respected and have the ability to be in almost any circle of that school, way beyond athletics!

However, the biggest job is to be able to raise money so that the university can keep growing in every area!

Jim Tressel fits the bill all the way around!

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Fatpants's picture

How has fundraising gone at YSU under Tressel?

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bbb's picture

Youngstown state is a 4th tier university, OSU is not. big difference

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C-Deck's picture

He won a NC at both places.

"Hit them hard and see how they fall"

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LCT's picture

Totally fair question. I don't know the answer.

Is it bad? That would surprise the hell out of me.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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Fatpants's picture

I don’t know how it’s gone, but it seems like a bunch of people say he’d be good for the job because of fundraising. Assumed somebody would know. 

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LCT's picture

Isn't the assumption that it's going great then? I know he was extended a few years ago.

Is there any way JT's *not* good at shaking YSU's trees?

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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gobucks1966's picture

Not sure but there are a lot of new buildings going up on campus and nice lighting and other window dressing that looks very sharp. Still it's Youngstown Ohio and it's not pretty in many locations close to the school. After all his wife is a Debartalo sp. they got money. The old man was the Donald Trump of Youngstown Ohio and built a ton of malls around Ohio and other places.

Denny

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Molandisi's picture

Edited to provide context, since my reply appears separated from the question I'm referring to...

<How has fundraising been at YSU?>

I'd be interested to see an answer to this question...

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LCT's picture

Are you guys saying there's not anyone on the BoT thinking "Tress...."?

I bet there are many thinking exactly that, and maybe a few who have already made the suggestion.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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andretolstoy's picture

Well it's definitely telling that YSU would better understand the role of the University President than TheOSU.

The position just needs to be able to raise money on all fronts, rep the University well, and play a little politics.

Beltway 'pundits' who have spent a lifetime in academia usually end up to be smug dbags who don't know how to stand for principle on anything because all they care about is their career.

James Patrick Tressel would be a wise choice for this position because of his ability to raise money (not just for the football program), the fact that he actually loves the University, would be well received by students whom he would actually interact with, and is a genuinely overall nice guy.

PS I don't hold the same animosity against Drake. Like I said above, being a beltway guy from academics, he's probably pretty smart,  but he hasn't the slightest idea how to handle an Urban Meyer situation. He erred on the side of covering his arse and coalesced to the political tide without showing any courage. I think someone like Tressel is better built to leverage principle over politics.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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BucksHave7's picture

Thank you for your service.  Wow time flew by.   Let’s send him out w a football NC!

BucksHave7

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RyanHamby-Hands's picture

Drake would be the least deserving recipient of a National Title....this man wanted Urban fired and honestly it more than likely makes no difference to him if the team was undefeated or 2-7 this year

#MuckFichigan

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CALPOPPY's picture
You are completely correct...he looks absolutely miserable that Ohio State won the title.

Memento mori

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FunZone's picture

Sorry that a Doctor from California whose job was to grow the medical center isn't as big a fan of the local team as you are

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semperfibuck's picture

Yes, that’s true... he was hired to fix the medical center...and Drake absolutely failed in that job!  

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b01000100's picture

How do I throw my name in the hat?  I don't know that I am qualified, and I have no idea if I could do as good a job as him or anyone else, but I still want the job.

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unknownmusketeer's picture

Go to college and earn degrees up to a PhD. Become a faculty member at any US institution. Get tenure. Become a full professor. Contribute great things to each and every university for which you work. Become an administrator (e.g., Dean). Become president at another school. Get identified by the BoT, faculty, senate, and university administrators as an awesome candidate. Cross your fingers that you still get the job.

In all, you just need 30 to 40 years worth of experience post HS graduation.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

That's it?  I can do all that next year.

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Doc's picture

In all, you just need 30 to 40 years worth of experience post HS graduation

See my post below.  I've already said I'll take the job. 

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

He didn't say anything about being a "fake doctor"

:-{)}

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Doc's picture

Yeah he did.  He said PhD, duh!

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Do you promise to end PC BS and restrict ESPN from campus, you would win in a landslide 

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BuckintheBoat's picture

I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.  I'm good.

BuckintheBoat

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45has2's picture

If university presidents are so smart why are they letting the NCAA take a $ Billion plus off the top of college athletics when they could use a commissioner model and get the job done for a small fraction of that cost? 

Censores irrumasti.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

This is a red herring.  As of 2018, NCAA revenues are right at $1G, mostly from TV.   Over half of their revenue goes directly back to member institutions, roughly 20% to support championships at various levels, NCAA administration expenses 4%.  The NCAA is not some alien overlord pillaging the planet.  This is public info, easy to verify before repeating tired tropes.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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JJBuckeye's picture

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

This is public info, easy to verify before repeating tired tropes.

Those angry internet complainers don't seem to bother to verifying their opinions too often.

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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

This is the internet.  Stake out a position and defend it with anger, hysteria and hyperbole!

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland

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BuckeyeNut's picture

Heard this rumor several weeks ago from my grad student daughter. I am sure the students will party a bit harder tonight!

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Hovenaut's picture

Offering up well-wishes, President Drake has done a greater good (looking beyond his involvement with just the athletic community) during his time in Columbus.

Eager to see how the search for his replacement goes.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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gobucks1966's picture

Should of never fired John Walters that was pretty harsh and was making a statement I think in that move.

Denny

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BuckeyeMike74's picture

Jon Waters, but yes, your point is well taken.  That situation was poorly handled.

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Cooper's picture

The university has become a better place through his leadership. I’m proud of Drake’s work during his tenure, and I hope Ohio State finds a qualified person to replace him.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Weave77's picture

The university has become a better place through his leadership.

Tell that to Jon Waters.

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cricejr's picture

Are you even aware of the circumstances of that situation???  Of course you aren't. NO ONE is bigger than The Ohio State University.  Not the football coach and not the band director.

I swear, some of you folks remind be of Jo Pa apologists, thinking that one's behavior and actions means nothing if you win games.

I bleed scarlet...literally

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Bourbon_Meyer's picture

Are you even aware of the circumstances of that situation?

Oh hi Mark.

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Weave77's picture

Are you even aware of the circumstances of that situation???  Of course you aren't.

Apparently more so than you. The "issues" with the band, as minor as they were, preexisted Waters, and he taken documented steps to correct them in his two years on job. Yet, once they became public, Drake needed a scapegoat to protect his reputation, and despite have zero culpability or guilt, Waters was fired. 

NO ONE is bigger than The Ohio State University.  Not the football coach and not the band director.

Agreed. But that list also should include "university president", which you somehow left out.

I swear, some of you folks remind be of Jo Pa apologists, thinking that one's behavior and actions means nothing if you win games.

To compare Joe Pa to Jon Waters is like comparing Andrew Jackson to the Cherokee who died on the Trail of Tears... which is to say, a terrible comparison. 

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semperfibuck's picture

Surely you jest! He started by completely mishandling the TBDBITL situation, costing a great Buckeye (Jon Waters) his job and his professional future. Then he failed to resolve the leadership crisis at the OSU Medical Center - arguably the only reason he was hired in the first place. He then grossly mishandled that Zach Smith controversy, again almost cost the University a Hall=of-Fame football coach as well as a renowned Athletic Director (both of whom are better men than Drake.). I grant the point that tOSU is on an upward trajectory... that despite the last 2 presidents chosen by the Board of Trustees. I will never forget the audio tape of Drake speaking with members of the band after Waters was fired. I have never heard such jumbo jumbo, stuttering, oral pauses from any professional person. It was a disgrace. Good riddance to Dr. Duck.

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Cooper's picture

No, I don’t jest. I was at Ohio State in the beginning of his tenure. I only saw improvement from the university, save a couple areas involving student welfare. It’s a waste of time to build up manufactured outrage at that man.

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Bourbon_Meyer's picture

Frustration with Drake's and OSU's handling of the Jon Waters matter is hardly "manufactured outrage."  In May 2014, the US Department of Education named OSU as one of several universities under investigation for mishandling sexual violence and harassment complaints.  OSU terminated Waters in July.  By September, the Department of Education announced that it was ending its investigation as to OSU early, and specifically cited the university's action in firing Waters.  OSU needed a scapegoat, and it found one.  If you think OSU's greatest source of sexual harassment and/or misconduct was the marching band, you haven't been watching or reading the news.

The report prepared by the university and touted as containing evidence supporting his termination consisted almost entirely of student-led traditions going back decades.  Jon Waters made strides in a few short years to curb those traditions.  Apparently that wasn't enough, so the university fired Jon and promoted Chris Hoch--who stood alongside Jon in a leadership position for years and witnessed the same traditions which were purportedly grounds for Jon's dismissal.

Is some criticism directed toward Drake unfair?  Certainly.  Is criticizing Drake for his mishandling of TBDBITL and Jon Waters unfair?  Certainly not.

Oh hi Mark.

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Molandisi's picture

I wish I could upvote this dozens of times...

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JFBuckeye64's picture

This. 100% this.

Hopeful to see the hiring of a leader who is capable of embracing nuance and taking an unpopular stand for what's right. I felt like Drake always caved to pressure from national media and the uninformed masses, often at the expense of good people within the University community.

Fortunately this University has talent and high quality people in spades, and remains on an upward trajectory regardless of who sits at the top. Next man (or woman) up! Excited to see who that is!

JFBuckeye64

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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MightyMac63's picture

Good riddance! Everyone knows that Drake threw Urban under the bus last year on the Zach Smith mess..when the BOT recommended time already served. Drake caved to the media pressure..

"Just remember one thing. I can do your job, but you can't do mine." - Woody Hayes to an OSU professor

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Count Chocula's picture

There are hundreds of TBDBITL alumni happy with this decision.

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buckeyepastor's picture

Thank you to Pres. drake, and best wishes for his future.  I know that there was disappointment with him about the Zach Smith controversy, but we have to remember that leading a university is so much more than athletics.  And it’s a damn hard job.  Currently at Syracuse, students are furious at their chancellor and walking out even after he agreed to every demand they made that he could legally and within his power to do.  The students apparently don’t trust the leadership and commitment of this guy on race issues even though living in a multi-racial family in the South he has personally encountered terrible bigotry and hate. 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Weave77's picture

Ehhh, I think this is a pretty poor take. Encountering bigotry and hate in no way qualifies a person to lead a university, and many of his decisions, such as his firing of Jon Waters, have reeked of protecting his personal reputation, rather than that of the university.

Good riddance, I say.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

BP wasn't saying that's what qualified the Syracuse president for the job, he was just pointing out the fact that he was being driven out for an issue that he has a valid perspective on.

Not a fan of Drake here either, btw.

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Weave77's picture

Just because you have experience doesn't necessarily mean you have a valid perspective, NorCal. But I see what you mean.

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cricejr's picture

...says a person who have never in their entire life dealt with bigotry.

This is like me saying that although I have never been to space and know nothing about it, I'm sure that establishing a colony on Mars is as easy as doing so here.

I bleed scarlet...literally

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

It’s time the too often bigotry card or calling those who disagree on things a racist needs to end, no more PC universities caving to current students, it’s beyond insane now, I’m ecstatic Drake is “retiring “

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Weave77's picture

...says a person who have never in their entire life dealt with bigotry.

And how would you know that, Cricejr? I'm an anonymous person on an internet message board, so it would be pretty impressive for you to determine that about me with nothing other than a fairly generic username to go by.

This is like me saying that although I have never been to space and know nothing about it, I'm sure that establishing a colony on Mars is as easy as doing so here.

I never said nor implied that being a university president is easy. I never said nor implied that overcoming bigotry is easy. What I DID say, however, is that "encountering bigotry and hate in no way qualifies a person to lead a university". 

If being hated by bigots qualifies a person to lead one of the world's largest universities, Ohio State is certainly in luck, because apparently they have a qualified candidate pool in the hundreds of millions, if not billions, for the soon to be empty position of university president.

 
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3rdtimesacharm's picture

How exactly would you know that weave77 has never before encountered bigotry in their life. Thats taking a pretty big judgmental leap with absolutely nothing to go off of other than what you clearly want to believe about weave. Which, ironically, is kind of bigoted.

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MercyTex's picture

Bless his heart.

Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.

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TJG32's picture

Hate the Drake. 

TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.

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Buckloving's picture

The sad part is there's a whole lot of youngers who won't get this

bobbyd

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TJG32's picture

That’s true Buckloving. But with all the reruns they might be in the know. 

TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.

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The Braden's picture

True.  They'll get all triggered and get on their phones and start excessively using double quotes.

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Greenbriar's picture

There was no easy way to deal with the Meyer situation. And everything turned out well for the university and the football team. 

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ashtabulassassin's picture

will take a few years to see if that's the case.

Buckshots... in case you have amnesia.

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va_buck's picture

Actually there was.  He should have taken charge:

"we don't tolerate or condone DV"

"I have launched and investigation and I will report the findings to you (the media)"

"based on how UM has dealt with the 3 previous DV cases for the football team, I will assume that he did the right thing in this case and he will remain the coach.  If the investigations shows otherwise, I will address."

after the investigation...

"Based on my evaluation, the coaching staff and AD followed the proper protocol.  We have identified some weaknesses and these will be addressed by ..."

IT"S CALLED LEAERSHIP.  IT"S NOT THAT HARD IT JUST TAKES COURAGE.

VA_Buck

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BuckeyeoftheSouth's picture

I appreciate what he has done for the academic side of the university since that is where his best accomplishments were at.  The handling of the situation with Meyer and the Band Director were poorly done from what I saw and heard.  

Life comes a day at a time, enjoy it.

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BrutusB's picture

The university is better now than when he took over in terms of both academics and fundraising.  Those are basically a president's two jobs.  Football fans might not like him, but that's not really his problem.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Absolutely, taking the football glasses off, Drake has done great things at OSU.

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Mantis's picture

Tressel, Meyer, or Gee please. 

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westy81585's picture

Good Riddance.  

Ruined parking, got rid of Mirror Lake Jump, threw the band under the bus, threw Urban under the bus.  Last time the University called and asked me to donate I told them point blank they wouldn't see a single penny from me as long as that idiot was our University President.  

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BrutusB's picture

I mean, a kid died doing the Mirror Lake jump.  Everyone who ever did it (myself included) knew that was probably going to happen one day.  It's kind of ridiculous to hold that against him.

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westy81585's picture

The kid dying was absolutely tragic.  It was also a completely freak accident; and largely the result of a pre-existing heart condition.  How many hundreds of thousands, if not more than a million, jumped into the lake over several decades?  Lightning struck once (and IMO it's only a bit ironic that trouble only happens a few years after the University starts trying to "control" the jump)... and he immediately cut the cord.  He made clear from the outset he wasn't a fan.  My last year there was his first year, and they were giving out surveys asking students about "alternatives" to the jump... He wanted it gone from the start.  

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Johnny Ginter's picture

literally every single person who did the mirror lake jump at one point thought to themselves "holy shit, someone is gonna die doing this"

ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I did the jump 3 times...all 3 times I was like why am I doing this and how hasn't someone died?  I didn't even go to OSU.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

As a 4 time jumper, I completely agree with both you and Ginter.  The "jump" was complete madness, especially because of the level of inebriation and freezing temperatures.

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AZBUCKFAN's picture

During my four years at TOSU, I never did the jump. I always thought it was stupid, but hey...if you want to jump in a lake when it's really cold outside, go for it.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

During my five (yeah I said five) years not at OSU I did my 3 jumps.  I can confirm, jumping in a lake when it's really cold outside is extremely stupid.  Regretted it every time.  But hey, when you are drunk and it's TTUN week you tend to do stupid things.

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Considering how many people die from DUI’S, then who is the Universities now selling alcohol at their games. I’m a massive civil liberties person and advocating the banning of lake jumping because someone could die is to me, bs.  We have way too many, let’s ban anything you don’t like, or a statue because something offends them, is gone out of control. Glad Drake is out

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

The largest public university in the US banning something after a kid died on their property has nothing to do with people dying because of DUI's on public roads.  The liability of allowing it to keep happening after a kid died when, in all reality, we have all been trespassing for decades is understandable.  Comparing the two scenarios is stupid.  There is a greater risk of dying from a drunk driver than there is of falling off of the top of a skyscraper, but you won't find my ass walking the ledge of the Empire State Building because the risk is less.

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westy81585's picture

I've gotta disagree with you guys on this.  I jumped 5 times and witnessed 2 others, and the worst injury I ever saw was a twisted ankle.  

I'll grant you it was pure chaos, and I understand Drake's approach here (though I vehemently disagree with it).  But we're talking about jumping into 2-4 feet of water; and by the time the kid died that was with a massive institutional presence to make sure no one got hurt.  I'm shocked I never saw anyone break a limb or hit their head or get frostbite; but lets pump the brakes on "how has no one died?!" ... It was a few feet of jumping into a few feet of cold water.  

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RJerome-15Alum's picture

For what it's worth, the Buckeyes never lossed The Game any of the years that I jumped.

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BtownBuckeye's picture

There it is, its Brutus' fault! he KNEW it was going to happen and did nothing./s

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cricejr's picture

Wait, HE'S the idiot?  What have you done for this great university besides whine and cry?  I'm 100% certain he's better educated than you, has accomplished more than you, and will continue to accomplish more than you.

But HE'S the idiot.

I bleed scarlet...literally

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westy81585's picture

You could put a Labrador in the job and it would have done better than him.  Educated or not; the guys only success was ONLY screwing up ONE of the everyday things he is in charge of (parking).  

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cricejr's picture

So in your eyes, a dog would do a better job of being the president of a university than a human.  Interesting.

Not only am I glad that you mean zero decisions for this school, I'm willing to bet money you wouldn't say that about any other president. Also, I like how you take issue with ONE of his dozens upon dozens of responsibilities and call him a failure for that.  Would you say that about any other president also? Once again, please regale us with the long list of issues you have, we have the Urban Meyer situation and the ridiculously general "parking".

I bleed scarlet...literally

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westy81585's picture

I would say that about any president of Ohio State.  Doing the basic minimum of NOT ruining things is easy.  You literally just clock in, shake hands, and clock out.  Much of the university is run by people other than the president, and frankly more of them are put in place by the board than the president.  

Drake went out of his way to step in it multiple times, and drag the University and prominent people in it through the mud for reasons that were shaky-at-best.  And it isn't a long list for me, it's 4 items long, and I've regaled you with them.  

Holbrook was also a turd.  Kirwan was alright.  Gee was outstanding save for the aforementioned habit of shoving his foot in his mouth (raised a MASSIVE amount of money for the university).  

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AZBUCKFAN's picture

Yeah, a lot of former Presidents at TOSU were not exactly well loved. I went there back in the late 70's when Harold Enarson was the President. A lot of people despised him, mostly for firing Woody Hayes (Personally, I thought it had to be done). He was followed by Ed Jennings, who fired Earle Bruce. (Rumor had it, Jennings didn't do that so not so much for football reasons, but because he (Jennings) had some less than stellar character issues. I'll leave it at that. Anyway, the AD, Rick Bay, resigned and Bruce won a large judgement over his firing, so as they say: where there's smoke, there's fire)

So, the President at TOSU is often not liked by many. Hmm...that sounds like the same thing for various presidents at a higher position I can think of. 

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

From my recollection, Enarson was liked well enough back in my day, which was while Woody was still there, but I can't recall seeing him around campus even once.  I would rank Jennings and Holbrook as the contenders for worst president of my lifetime.  All-in-all, presidents are pretty much like politicians, in that their popularity is seldom as high as on their first day in office.  The cumulative effects on all the necessary compromises, tough decisions, sacred-cow slaying, and such, tend to erode their residual good will to the point that the electorate is almost always ready to see them gone at the end of their terms.  

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

The university parking was sold under Gee's tenure.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

And I can verify that parking was crap well before I began attending in 2001.

Nothing like spending an hour or more waiting for a bus on west campus on a cold Sunday night after returning from a trip home.

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BrutusB's picture

Yep.  Parking was awful when I was there under Holbrooke.  Trying to pin stuff like that on Drake is silly.

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westy81585's picture

Parking was sold during the interim between Gee and Drake; Drake implemented and "oversees" it.  

Everyone is correct, parking wasn't great prior to any of this either.  But ask anyone working at the hospital how the current situation compares to how it was before; let alone students, staff, etc.  They took a bad situation and made it worse in an attempt to make a buck... and it turns out they would've made more money if they had kept it under University control.  

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CALPOPPY's picture

Parking was sold during the interim between Gee and Drake; Drake implemented and "oversees" it.  
 

No. No. No. Gee sold the parking. He brokered it. It was approved by the BOT, but Gee put this in place.

Blaming Drake for parking problems is like blaming a plumber for all the shit that is everywhere when the toilet burst. Yes, the plumber is overseeing the toilet situation, but he didn’t cause the shit to be everywhere.

Memento mori

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bbb's picture

Dude, Gee ruined parking, he sold it to a private company. Not Drake's fault he did that

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MaineStrength's picture

I wonder how much handling athletics is involved in the search.  Is it just a small part of what the board is looking for or a big part?  On the one hand it seems small in relation to a universities' mission.  On the other hand at a blue blood football program it seems quite large in terms of national exposure, revenue, and fan interest.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Athletics shouldn't be a major factor - that's the focus of the AD.  The President's focus will be on academics, fundraising, the medical center, and working with stakeholders like other state universities and legislators.  

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Buctor's picture

Never mind it was just rambling!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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cricejr's picture

Could people please provide this long list of grievances this man has committed against Ohio State?  I mean, I've asked the same thing about Gene Smith and there was always 1 thing that made him such a terrible man, the way he handled the bowl game after Tress.  I'll even give one for Drake: The Urban Meyer situation...please provide more.  There HAS to be more for people to hate this man whom they've never met and never dealt with so much.

And I cannot imagine people being more stupid than suggesting that Tress or Meyer become president of this great university.  I mean it's so obvious that most who think this did not attend this school; "Yeah, let's get a successful football coach to be the president of one of the better academic institution in the country!  WOOOO!" Are you fucking kidding me???  I wish people would just be honest about why they dislike him so much.

I bleed scarlet...literally

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The Braden's picture

I think we've found Drake's secret account.

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DRAKE008's picture

Hemorrhaging great doctors. Yeah, the med center may be profitable, doesn’t mean quality of care is great (as an alum I’d rather go to Grant now) or that they have retained good faculty or researchers.

Depends on the college, but is despised by many faculty for not hiring replacements.

Terrible PR and he’s the face. Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to try to trademark the word “the.”

All that fundraising and OSU still has one of the highest per capita administrative costs.

Here’s another, when I hear faculty complain about overpaid people at OSU it’s not athletics or football they’re talking about, it’s the overpaid shit lawyers.

Another dirty little secret that they and Drake knew about and did absolutely nothing about: OSU has a student suicide problem. They can even give you very specific demographics and they try to bury it and someday it will come to light and yet again it will cast a gloom over the University.

Can you tell me what he has done that is so damn special besides what his actual fucking job is which is to increase graduation rates and fundraiser?

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WC Buckeye's picture

Agree on all of these points with one exception. Society had a suicide problem, not just OSU and not just OSU students.  Look at the CDC statistics and you will see what I mean.

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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Doc's picture

Fine!  I'll take the job.  I have an advanced degree from OSU, in health care none the less.  I know the importance of the hospital and the athletic department.  AND I'm good for a few quips now and then.

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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EightyDeuce's picture

Nothing that comes easy is worth a dime.
'Merica!

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BPOSU's picture

I would like to know what the University president as OSU actually does. Because it seems to me it's just a public figure job where they really don't do much except put out public responses to negative situations that the University is involved in. That and fund raise. 

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BrutusB's picture

The President is typically the final sign-off on all tenure decisions when professors come up for it.  As such, they can basically say "your research isn't good enough for you to stay here", which gives them a lot of power in improving the academic reputation.  They also do a lot of fundraising (at the VIP level, not the 'call and ask for $50' kind). Lastly, they're usually one of the main contacts with government and boards and such (like talking to the governor, or various AAU meetings, etc).

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bd2999's picture

They do that with tenure but they usually are not the ones doing the grunt work per se. There are many other groups that make reports about tenure that eventually go to the president. He reviews the reports and usually goes with the recommendations unless there are other problems.

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BrutusB's picture

It usually goes school/college -> Provost -> President.  The President usually accepts the former recommendations, but doesn't have to.  You need a qualified researcher or former chancellor type in that role if you actually expect them to be able to review the resumes coming across your desk.

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bd2999's picture

Like many positions, they do alot that you do not see unless there is a problem. They are a driving force for policy and rules at a university. Not alone but they are the centralized figure in that and have more individual power than a board member to take actions alone. They have the final say on various matters as required, although a fair bit is delegated.

They are mostly the face of the university for government interactions, mostly (there are alot of people involved), they do a fair bit of outrreach and alot with fundraising and donors. They are also involved with professors getting tenure and appointing various positions that go on to oversee various departments and administrative areas etc.

They are like a president over a small government really.

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Chicago Buckeye's picture

PRESIDENT URBAN F. MEYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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burger1124's picture

Hey everyone: while I'm certainly no expert, I've worked in multiple higher learning institutions serving administration. From my experience serving on a presidential search committee, the number-one role of a University president is not to articulate or execute a vision necessarily, but to convince large donors that he or she has a vision, and that they should show confidence in that vision with their money. Presidents are fundraisers, period. While I think Tressel still has a ton of good will in state and among a large block of alumni, I would be really, really surprised to see him be even strongly considered for the job. tOSU is a global institution and I just don't think, given some of the man's past controversies, that the BoT would put that much confidence in his ability to secure ongoing global contracts and donations.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Regarding all the Tressel comments, he turns 67 in a couple of weeks. That's not too old to be a university president, but offhand I don't believe OSU has ever appointed a new president who was already over 65. Both Gee and the late Ed Jennings were in their 40s when they came to Columbus.

Just a guess, but I wonder if the board might want someone who can settle in for a little while. Since Gee left the first time, no president has been on the job for more than six years.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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bbb's picture

Or maybe an elite academic institution wouldn't hire a football coach as its president

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jhidden's picture

Michelle Obama would be a great choice if she wanted to get into academia.

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EightyDeuce's picture

Nothing that comes easy is worth a dime.
'Merica!

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Deadly Nuts's picture

Yeah if we want to avoid a controversial hire we should keep that family just about as far away as possible from Columbus.

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AGAB's picture

Ohio State University’s “But For Ohio State” fundraising campaign is ending with a record-breaking tally of more than $3 billion.

University President Dr. Michael V. Drake announced the total -- $3,004,563,961, to be exact -- to key donors Thursday night.

The campaign had already blown past its goal of $2.5 billion in December. Once that happened, Drake set his sights on that nice, round “3.” “It was a goal that I had for them,” Drake said after speaking to the Columbus Metropolitan Club about the campaign on Wednesday. “Only a handful of educational institutions have achieved that in a single campaign.”

It is evident that individuals and organizations with real $ have appreciated Dr. Drake's leadership. I seriously doubt that Ohio State would have received  record breaking donations if there was so much distrust of his leadership. Congratulations to Dr. Drake on his upcoming retirement. He has certainly earned it, and the accolades that accompany it.

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bbb's picture

Footballheads don't understand a lot of things and that's fine. That's why the people in this thread don't run important things

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RyanHamby-Hands's picture

Oh you mean like the Wexner Center? The single most important program on Campus where since Drake has been President we have lost tons of our best doctors to West Virginia.......I'd watch before you doubt the understanding of OSU related facts when it comes to the people who visit this site.

#MuckFichigan

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

Since I live in @ichigan, and therefore do not get all the news from the Dispatch , or any other sources about OSU other than OSU's alumni news outlets, OSU's quarterly news magazine, etc. I would appreciate some details on Wexner. My only interaction with Wexner in the last 20 years has been through family members receiving treatment there. 

When you say we have lost "tons of our best doctors to West Virginia" , a little more detail please? West Virginia what? University? If so, why? What doctors? In what specialty? 

People in research hospitals do move around to where they think they can get the most research dollars for their particular interest. 

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Buckeyebull64's picture

Yeah, no business owners, administrators or managers on here./s

screw off

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RyanHamby-Hands's picture

You think Donors gave that money because of Drakes "leadership " or because they are extremely loyal to the university despite who's President?

#MuckFichigan

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bbb's picture

Ryan, you seem like you desperately WANT to believe Drake is bad. Give it up

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BrutusB's picture

If people were just giving to the university regardless of who was President, why didn’t Gee ever raise that much? 

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RockyRoadBuck's picture

Bring the Senator home to the greatest university in the world.

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bbb's picture

People in this thread are in this weird alternate universe where sports is the primary goal of a university. it's SHOCKING...absolutely SHOCKING that a UNIVERSITY would be interested in non-sports things. Oh, perhaps maybe teaching students and training them for their careers might be one thing a university might be interested in

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Zimmy07's picture

Is this because he got booed off the stage because people thought Frank Ocean was up next?

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Z-List's picture

this is 1 month +/- a few days after a public records request for some texting back and forth from last july

and 1 week after Lombardo was deposed

and 1 day after Ted Grace was deposed

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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bbb's picture

alright mister infowars conspiracy nut

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Z-List's picture

hate to break it to ya bubs but it's highly likely those events are related

grace was in the hot seat yesterday in case you didnt know

did you happen to see the general counsel 'retired' recently??

maybe you missed that one

it's like rats fleeing a sinking ship BUBS

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Z-List's picture

and I'm sure you don't know about the compliance director who left recently under serious allegations of misconduct

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seyekcuB's picture

If we can just get the other drake to retire

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RBloodworth's picture

I got enemies, got a lotta enemies, got a lotta people tryna drain me of my energy...

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semperfibuck's picture

Here’s a report about Jon Waters, the guy Drake fired within a couple months of being on campus:

https://www.heidelberg.edu/about/news/2019/seniors-stick-with-marching-b...

Firing Waters was a huge mistake then, and I am very happy that Waters continues to prove Drake’s judgment faulty (at best.)

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HiFiver25's picture

Drake is not the one behind getting rid of Urban. It was Lex Wexner’s over-entitled current wife. Get your facts straight.

Bdutta

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Z-List's picture

she has her own questions to answer

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New_Albany_Buckeye's picture

It’s been said that she was friends with Epstein and that’s who introduced her to Les.  

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”

Mark Twain

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Z-List's picture

Ionno , maybe we should ask the pool guy. the landscaper said she spent more time in the pool house than the main house. seems odd that she is still on the board. and dang that L t D  is a falling. whoa!!!

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OSUFlash's picture

Drake will not be missed. 
The replacement interview should be pretty simple, Jim Tressel. 

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

I see the Michigan Man syndrome is infecting a lot of the posters here. Let's hire someone who was fired from the University  to be OSU"s President because he won a football NC for OSU during his tenure. ( Just like, let's hire one of the Fab Five as our basketball coach, because, MICHIGAN MAN!)

I'm glad Tressel is happily raising money and attending gala's for Youngstown State as their president.  He should retire from there someday and spend time in a lake house in the South, enjoying it. 

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shiloh's picture

Didn't Tressel resign in disgace? Asking for a friend.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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OSUFlash's picture

Truly pathetic. 

osuflash

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Pahimar's picture

Success at administering a technical field does not necessarily require extreme expertise in said field though familiarity is useful.

Many excellent academics make terrible administrators and some do great jobs. This is true in research, medicine, engineering, etc...

Tressel is an apparently successful in state university president with ties to the university and tremendous popularity due to his football success. Therefore throwing his name out there is not quite as unreasonable as referring to him simply as a football coach as if he has not other administrative experience.

I'm not saying he is the most qualified candidate but I don't think it is a completely absurd notion as you suggest.

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gibtex's picture

So long, Urkel - don't let the door hit you on the way out. He started off with controversy and is ending his tenure hiding from his own shadow. Maybe the least dynamic president in tOSU's history and that is saying something...Signed, Karen Holbrook

BKIMike

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bbb's picture

Comment removed for violating the site's commenting policy.

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jpfbucks01's picture

From story the Dispatch ran just a couple months after Urban was suspended

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20181116/ohio-state-president-michael-v-drake-gets-25-percent-raise-212000-bonus

Drake was given a raise and a 20% bonus at that time and noted for his record breaking fund raising among other leadership goals and also stated the following:

"As a board, we want to confirm our continued support and alignment with your guidance and achievement of our strategic goals"

Nuff said the man according to the Board, who he eventually reports to (not you and me), siad he was doing a great job

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bbb's picture

but he doesn't prostrate himself to the football team so that apparently means he's bad

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

I also hope the BOT makes a very careful selection regarding the next president's understanding that yes, the main function is fund raising and administrative details , but also he/she should have an appreciation of just how important the role of varsity sports has been and continues to be to OSU. 

Unlike Mark Schlissel , President of U/M who said when hired away from Brown U, he didn't know much about college athletics, and then proceeded, after Dave Brandon resigned, to tell a group of U/M administrators that U/M accepted students who were unqualified simply for the athletic programs and that their graduation rates were terrible,  What he said was mostly factual at the time, but caused a firestorm among the the @ichigan men who insist they are the most academically rigorous program in the world. Pulling back the shades on that fantasy was a big no no. Had Schlissel had an appreciations for how much athletics does mean to the faithful, he would have couched those comments differently, which he does to this day.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverine...

Also, more recently, Schlissel has taken fire for U/M having incomplete audits done of U/M $11B endowment fund. By the way, this is some of the responsibilities that large university presidents have. It's not simply a figurehead out raising money.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/05/04/university-mi...

And there are some here who probably wonder why I had and continue to have a fit over rich donors at U/M forking over a million or more to fly Harbaugh and team to exotic locales during the off season. 

And yet, the @ichigan men at mgo constantly sneer at MSU over their internal troubles.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Hopefully the next president doesn't allow his personal biases get the better of him like Drake. He wanted Meyer gone, no 2 ways about it.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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tcm1968's picture

Sorry to see him go. His role was ALWAYS to put the University above everything else and I think he did that. Believe he will also be the first President in College history to raise a billion dollars in a calendar year? We lose him and probably Gene not too far behind and who knows who we get. Changing of the guard can go all sorts of ways and I for one have loved the consistency. 

At the very least here's hoping we avoid the Gordon Gee's of the world. Smiles and handshakes as they lean in and steal money out of your pocket.. awful.. 

Go Bucks!

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HiFiver25's picture

Honestly I don’t get all the venom spewed towards Drake. His job was to boost Ohio State’s reputation as an academic institution and bring the resources necessary to maintain its status as a first-class public university. Has he failed in that job?

He doesn’t answer to a bunch of myopic football fans, nor should he.

Bdutta

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Buh bye

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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TkeBuck's picture

"...we hardly knew thee." or did we?

klusewski

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CowCat's picture

Well, for whatever reason, Dr. Drake is retiring after 6 years. Not a long time. Either he wasn't happy, the university wasn't happy or both.

But whatever. The next president won't change much.  The parking will still suck. All of the cool little places you remember along High Street near campus are gone.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Deadly Nuts's picture

The man is 70, If i take six years of receiving a fat paycheck to sit around and shake hands and I’m not happy, just shoot me on the spot.

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bbb's picture

LOL if you think that's what presidents of universities do, oh boy

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Deadly Nuts's picture

Seems like that’s what he did. Most boring man ever.

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bbb's picture

just because you don't understand what the job entails doesn't mean he only "shook hands". i'm sorry he wasn't "exciting" enough for you

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Deadly Nuts's picture

Yeah but he raised funds? Tressel could do that too? Fuck, Motown Jones from UDF could do that, he ain’t that special.

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THEGAME513's picture

Just my two cents worth: The politically correct hire and the hire that will enable alumni to willingly open their wallets and purses, it's simple. The Senator: Jim Tressell, born and raised a Buckeye, restored honor and glory to OSU Football. He just gets it, everything about the state of Ohio, the culture, you name it. But hey it's 2019 well it'll be 2020 so I'm sure they will cater to the SJW's and all that crap. To me it's so simple, which is why it actually won't be so simple.

Veni, Vidi, Vici. I came, I saw, I conquered.
The Buckeye Way

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RBloodworth's picture

A university notoriously obsessed with its public image is going to hire a retired football coach- who, for the record, was forced out of his job in disgrace at said university for breaking NCAA rules- with no PhD or academic background as its next President just because he beat That Team Up North 9 times.  If you honestly believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.  Do you realize just how much academic types laughed at Youngstown State for hiring Jim Tressel as President despite him having no relevant job experience for that part?  Do you really believe that Ohio State- the same Ohio State who is run by people who are DEEPLY insecure about its academic reputation- is going to risk being scorned and mocked as a meatheaded academic backwater by doing the same thing?  Please.

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andretolstoy's picture

I see what you're saying here and I call shenanigans. I'd say since YSU extended his contract through 2020 they may be retracting the fears they had about hiring him.

I'd say 6 years, successful tenure, at another university constitutes academic background, wouldn't you? While having a PhD seems to be a prerequisite, I don't think it's required. The job is mainly fundraising, I don't care where you go. The rest is PR, handling yourself well with the media, and having Executive Functioning skills i.e. being able to put out fires.

I'd say the previous President's TheOhioState had all the prereqs, yet they were really bad a putting out fires. Why would that be? They have a PhD, right?

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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LFC Buckeye's picture

Tressel has been a university president for 5 years now. Drakes is an MD, what qualifications did an optometrist have to be president of Ohio State?

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BrutusB's picture

Drake spent like twenty years in university administration posts before coming to OSU (chancellor, VP, senior dean, etc). He wasn’t writing prescriptions for eyeglasses before coming here. 

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Pahimar's picture

Jusy my 0.02:

From what I've seen of academia, having academic types laughing up their sleeves at you usually means you are on the right track towards getting something useful done.

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wvcbus08's picture

He was overwhelmed from the word go, both academically and athletically. Ohio State is a very unique situation and is a monster in many aspects: Academics, Athletics, Medical, Research, etc.  Not just in the US either, globally and I think that's where Gee excelled and propelled the university into the cosmos.

Overall I think Drake did a good job in handling it but it probably has taken its toll/run its course with him.  Best of luck to him and hopefully we don't hire another Holbrook!

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40 Degrees North's picture

His name was brought up on another board. They compared him to Mitch Daniels, the former Indiana Governor now at Purdue. I don’t think Kasich would work at OSU. He isn’t a Daniels or a Dan Boren at Oklahoma. He is still a lightning rod across the political spectrum. His personality is an issue, just ask many who lived here in Columbus during his congressional years. 

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RBloodworth's picture

From all reports, it sounds like he may be the guy.  You couldn’t pick a more opposite personality type to Michael Drake if you tried.  The fact that they seem to have quickly settled on Kasich and not an academic type from outside of the Columbus power structure tells me that the BoT anticipated a tough time drawing candidates for the job in this current climate, and that they may anticipate difficult dealings with the Department of Education and courts over the Strauss scandal.  This is a job for more of a wartime leader, which definitely fits Kasich.

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LFC Buckeye's picture

Drake cut funding to all humanities programs. Refused to allow departments to replace retiring professors. refused to hire people for full time positions and instead treats doctoral employees like substitute teachers. he refused to pay 19k to outfit a departments faculty building with key card locks (building was completely open to the public) after the department informed him that people were HAND delivering death threats under their doors. He does not have the best interest of the education of the students, or the faculty, as his foremost concern.

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andretolstoy's picture

Heck, if he cut funding for humanities programs, I'd vote for him if he ran for President.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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LFC Buckeye's picture

You realize how ignorant that is for a university that whats to be ranked higher? You see all those Ivy's and other top universities doing this? You realize humanities is a lot more than sociology and womens/gender studies?

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andretolstoy's picture

Well since you're into Humanities, how about simple Economics? Increasing revenue or expenditures doesn't always equal improved outcomes. We've been doing this with our inner city and public schools for years. The Ohio State University has always been medical research focused.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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semperfibuck's picture

Anyone who continues to support Drake needs to explain the situation at the OSU Medical Center. It is at least 5 times as important (on revenues) as the football program. It is the main reason that Michael Drake, MD, was hired. To bring order to the medical center, which has had its ratings reduced, lost countless good doctors, been operating under significant monetary restrictions, etc., etc.  That Drake did nothing to fix that problem will be his lasting legacy... and not a good one.

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Eph97's picture

People are dreaming if they think Tressel or Meyer would even get a sniff for the President job. A university of the prestige level of OSU would absolutely require a doctoral degree (preferably PhD) and a history of published papers in academia. Ex football coaches do not become B1G University Presidents.

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ohiopanda's picture

Didn’t realize I opened the Facebook comment section

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Get out while you still can!  It's too late for the rest of us.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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Scarlet_Fire's picture

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. 

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maximumblitz's picture

I dislike Drake for "reading" his speech on the radio 97.1 during half time.  Good to see him go.

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maximumblitz's picture

Here's hoping that Drake at least gives the tOSU community the deserved honor of recognizing the outstanding orgies and riots on campus.  To my knowledge he has not given honor where honor is due while is has been president.  There is still time after he is gone though.

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40 Degrees North's picture

It never felt like Drake was a good fit here. A Presidents job is to be a bit of personality, or a salesman. Drake isn’t that guy. 

I didn’t like the way the band issue or the Zach smith issues were handled. They were done out of political expediency or PR. The medical center lost a good bit of talent during his time here. 

The next president has to have some business and sales savvy. You are one of the biggest names in academia and a big figure in a major city. Gee, for all his deals, knew that. I felt Kirwan had a laid back personality but he felt at home in Maryland. Holbrook and Drake just didn’t fit. 

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TLB's picture

Totally with you on Holbrook and Drake.

Need to hire someone with some mid-west background, Drake's west coast ideals didn't always fit here.

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nickel beer's picture

Really intrigued to see the next person for the job, but I hope the decision isn't hurried.

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gobucks1966's picture

M.Obama was mentioned as a hire for OSU President on here not a bad choice. Very bright women no ties to sports maybe fix the parking. 10 years down the road if a job well done could be the first women to dot the eye. Not sure who they will look at do any of you folks have a list of people you would prefer other than Tress.

Denny

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AllAboutBuckeyes's picture

The last person we need is an Obama as President of the University!

buckeyestrong

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RBloodworth's picture

All politics aside, she'd be a good choice, but the Obamas aren't moving to Columbus any time soon.  Come on, man.  Get real.

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AllAboutBuckeyes's picture

Gee was a very good President.  He may have had some faults, but who doesn’t. He was a very active supporter of everything about OSU and was publicly seen my many around campus.  He didn’t keep holed up in his office, he was out amongst the people.  Drake was a different person. He was a good President, but seemed to be out of touch with the people outside of the office.  I do believe he mishandled the Urban matter as Urban should not have received any punishment in this matter.  Now to who is the next choice.  TRESS!  He has all the qualities and capabilities needed to be the President of OSU.  The problem is, how do the Trustees feel about him.  As a side note, the Trustees shoulder a lot of blame in the Urban situation.  They didn’t have balls enough to do what was right and worried only about public perception.  It will be interesting to see who they come up with for the job.  

buckeyestrong

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CooperRuinedMyChildhood's picture

He shouldn't have trouble finding people to help him pack.

In Urban We Trust.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Anyone there for the Hollbrook days? I was. I would have welcomed Drake.

I get it. Urban Meyer (hint-OSU football is better because of his absence).

Thank you for improving more than just the football program at my university. Best of luck to you. While the football program and band are great parts of what makes OSU great, they aren't the only thing. Drake is not liked because of what happened to the football team (which ended up being nothing) and the band. His responsibilities go far beyond what happens on Saturdays

Proudly dispensing unbridled arrogance since 1983.

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RBloodworth's picture

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/kasich-for-president-sources-say-osu-considering-former-governor-for-top-job/

If this pans out as being true, it's kind of reminiscent of Michigan State bringing in former Governor John Engler as President in the wake of the Larry Nassar scandal.  I have to wonder if Drake is the (unofficial) fall guy for Strauss and other related scandals (how ironic), and they're bringing in Kasich as a crisis manager / wartime consigliere.

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1979Buckeye84's picture

He's an excellent reason to turn off 97.1 at halftime.  I realize that OSU has changed since awarding me two degrees, and Dr. Drake has done his job of steering the institution in the direction of his "West Coast ideals" (to concur with TLB).  I'm happy to donate to the athletic department, but not the university anymore.

I would welcome John Kasich as OSU president.  I have no problem with his credentials.  He is better positioned to help students prepare for the real world than many other candidates in their ivory towers. 

1979Buckeye84

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