OSU President Michael Drake Retiring

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LCT's picture

This thread has lots of potential.

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Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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LCT's picture

Also.....

Tress Time?

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MongosMagic's picture

Don't get my hopes up like that

"Mongo only sausage in bowl of soup"

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LCT's picture

I am deadly serious.

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Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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Grouchy_Old_Vet's picture

I hope you are deadly accurate. This would be so awesome. 

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stxbuck's picture

Tressel is not returning to Columbus. I’d love to see it but no way in hell is it happening. Too much baggage and Tressel doesn’t have the high faulting academic pedigree tOSU demands for it’s president.

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andretolstoy's picture

Yep. All them pedigrees we had before.

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seyekcuB's picture

Tressel good but not an Elitist

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andretolstoy's picture

That's why I want him. Besides, I personally believe we owe the man. And, he loves the University. I don't think he'll solely focus on football. That's all that you really need.

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Doc's picture

I believe he would be perfect.  He already has a skrong "and so forth" game, plus he is very personable.  The dude would rake in the cheddar, probably on par with EGG.  AND the alumni love the man.  It's a no brainer IMHO.

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Tress Time?

Seconded

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Defiance's picture

Would absolutely love me some JT back in Columbus...

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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rkylet83's picture

Likes

Controversial

Threads

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

These two words pretty much sums up his legacy.  And that’s being completely fair.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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Johnny Utah's picture

Whoever they get next will probably be worse. 

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PhillyNut's picture

With all due respect that seems to be a take through the very narrow lens of the Urban Meyer situation versus the responsibility of running one of the largest universities in the country with a FTE employee headcount of almost 37,000.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Sanitarian2's picture

37K FTE's for 61K students, no wonder tuition in this country is out of control.

Sani

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

It's not as bad as it appears first blush, although the tail is far longer than the tooth.

https://www.osu.edu/osutoday/stuinfo.php#emplyees

4500 of those FTEs are students: work study, research assistants, etc. So some of that money gets pumped back into the school.

1550 are clinical faculty.

About 2800 are tenure track faculty.

The largest part is the 21000 admin and professional staff. The bulk of which likely belongs to OSU Medical Center, the James, and administrative offices. But it's also your finance offices, bursers, lawyers, etc.

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Boomer's Ghost's picture

Under Drake, Ohio State broke its records for graduation and retention rates, academic talent and diversity among incoming classes, research expenditures and annual fundraising. He has made “access and affordability” a focus of his presidency, implementing the first comprehensive tuition freeze for in-state studentsin 40 years. And since 2015, the university has budgeted more than $150 million in additional need-based aid to students, exceeding Drake’s goal of $100 million by 2020.

I’m so tired of the “Drake sucks” narrative. The university has been incredibly successful under his watch. 

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TheBadOwl's picture

But he didn't lick Urban's boots so clearly none of that matters!

The people who think Drake sucks care more about the football team than the university as a whole, and don't realize how small the football program is compared to the rest of the university.The med center alone generates like 20 times more revenue than the entire athletics department, and then there's tuition, corporate partnerships, alumni donations, federal grants, etc. that all dwarf the football program as well.

Drake's job is to make OSU a better university, and he's done a great job of that. Drake's job wasn't to kowtow to Urban or to focus on pleasing message board football fans. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

It's a sports site so I get why people focus on that, but it's certainly true that the Board of Trustees has different priorities, such as the school continuing to raise insane amounts of money. You never know what might come out eventually from behind the scenes, but I do not get the impression Drake is leaving under the proverbial cloud, which would make him the first president this century who isn't being pushed out or where folks are happy to see him go.

Drake wasn't a big public personality, unlike his predecessor, and the cheerleading part of the job wasn't something he seemed to like very much. But I also can't remember a single thing he said in six years, also unlike his predecessor. A university president shouldn't necessarily be in the news all the time.

The Strauss business is a gigantic headache, so this isn't the greatest time to be looking for a new president.

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Doc's picture

Drake wasn't a big public personality, unlike his predecessor, and the cheerleading part of the job wasn't something he seemed to like very much. But I also can't remember a single thing he said in six years, also unlike his predecessor. A university president shouldn't necessarily be in the news all the time.

Isn't cheerleading part of the job?  The guy is a sour puss.  Gee had his foibles, but he was personable.  Drake, ever since stepping foot on campus, seemed like the athletic department was a waste of time and money.  I know OSU is a place for higher education, but it is the athletic department that keeps The OSU name in the public's eye.  The money doesn't roll in without it.  Gee wasn't "politically correct", he was old school and said what was on his mind.  That caused him to put his foot in his mouth a time or two, I get he needed to go.  Drake is as left coast as you can get, and in my opinion doesn't fit well here in the midwest.  Ohio State is a big university, it needs a big personality to lead it.  Not some milktoast wimp, Drake is a milktoast wimp.  JMHO.

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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FeedZeke420's picture

Agree Bad Owl, the university is a lot more then the football team. There has been a lot of success under Drake, I don't agree with one bit of how he handled the Urban thing, but I will give him credit for the good things he did do. What makes OSU great is we have a top sports program but also a top university this isn't the sec, I want to celebrate OSU's success off the field just as much as on it.

Go Bucks!

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THEDave's picture

I'm happy he's done a good job as president but what he did to Urban was not right.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Sure it was all because of Michael Drake.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

It’s funny that people think Drake was sitting on the admissions committee. I worked at OSU for 10 years, the staff run that place. If I were to credit OSU’s rise in admissions standards, it starts with Mabel Freeman and then after her many of excellent hires to be the Vice President of Strategic Enrollment.

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rotsbu's picture

I'd give more than one up-vote if I could.  The University as a whole is flourishing!

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Drake had NOTHING to do with these accomplishments.  But I do agree that football is not the tail that wags the dog. 

He was brought in to raise the reputation of the medical school and he failed at that.  And, that's why he's leaving.  

Barney Fife lives, and he lives among us.  

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Sanitarian2's picture

Where do  you think that 150 million that was budgeted comes from by the way? 

Sani

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

As a current student, we’re not exactly sad to see him go....

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SouthPacificBuck's picture

Time for Eddie George to put his executive MBA to work.

"Ryan Day is our Baby Yoda. We must protect him with our lives." ~ D. J. Byrnes

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Buckeye0905's picture

Former OSU coaches and players will be the popular pick amongst fans but you absolutely need someone with healthcare experience. I was shocked to see how much revenue the hospital brings it compared to football. 
 

Not to mention, OSU is opening a new immuno-oncology core that will be developing and possibly manufacturing personalized medication via gene or cell therapy. This would be a cash cow if it’s successful. 

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TheBadOwl's picture

 you absolutely need someone with healthcare experience

Yup, 100%, but the second that they announce a name that isn't Jim Tressel, Eddie George or Gordon Gee, a lot of Ohio State football fans are going to be immediately displeased without realizing what the university actually needs in that position. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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Fatpants's picture

Ohio State’s gigantic athletic department brings in 3% of what the hospital does.

It takes the hospital less than 2 weeks to match the athletic department’s annual revenues. Football is a tiny part of the greater university. 

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NOLABuckeye's picture

Gordon Gee's daughter then? Dr. Rebekah Gee is the Louisiana Secretary of Health.

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Fatpants's picture

Only if she brings her dad by on the weekends. That was a guy that was loved by the students because his sense of humor was always on display. 
 

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Doc's picture

Gordo, I could live with this.  EGG was fun, and funny.  I would love to have a beer with the man.

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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Fatpants's picture

He was very engaging, but man, there’s less tolerance for inappropriate jokes now than there was back when he was run out. He’d last about 8 days if he was rehired. 

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Doc's picture

I know, and it is a shame.  I'll stop there to not get myself in any hot water.  Happy Turkey Day to you and your family Gordo.

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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Fatpants's picture

Same to you Doc 

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

The OSU President figure head who needs to know how to communicate between donors, students, departments, the public, et al.  Drake could actually do that well as could Gordon Gee.  I don’t think they have anything operationally to do with the hospital.  Hire a VP/Provost type from the industry to deal with that. 
 

The President is an executive that galvanized the whole thing and inspires confidence and sets direction.  Tressel is more than capable of that.  Urban, I don’t think so, because the nature of an academia job would just piss him off eternally.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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Buckeye0905's picture

Those made popular through football should take the Archie route and show up to alumni events, speaking engagements, etc to share a few stories and shake hands. I believe this will be Eddie’s next gig if Archie retires.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Umm.... Archie's been retired for a couple of years now.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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mtrotb's picture

Lets make sure the next president remembers that he/she is the 2nd most important person working for the university.

mtrotb

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cecsix's picture

I’d argue the entire football coaching staff ranks ahead of the prez. 5 stars don’t choose to play at OSU because of the president, but Larry Johnson? You get my point.

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Boomer&#039;s Ghost's picture

I feel sad for people like you who value the football team more than the education, research, and community impact of the university. 

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logamaniac's picture

Tbf it’s usually people that don’t have an OSU degree that don’t think Drake was good here and those people don’t matter in that regard unless they’re donating their time or money to the university.  
 

Let them root for athletics.  

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Fatpants's picture

As long as a football coach is capable of riding herd over a billion dollar hospital, ok

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saintstephen11's picture

a hospital I wouldn't go to if I needed more than a band aid.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I've had two family members treated for cancer there.  You'd change your story if, God forbid, you're ever in that situation.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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saintstephen11's picture

killed too many people I know due to incompetence for my taste, but to each their own.

My sister is going there right now (Stage 4 lung cancer). They are doing a good job with her. Still I'd go somewhere else given their history with others I know.

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logamaniac's picture

I’ve had surgery there and I don’t have any complaints.  
 

maybe you could enlighten us as to your issue with the care they provide?

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Dethsyth47's picture

Sounds like my cousin. She roots for *ichigan over Ohio State for the sole reason that her grandmother (on her mom's side so no relation to me) died at the OSU hospital back in the 90's. Doesn't mention that Granny was 600lbs, diabetic, and loaded with heart defects. Nope...OSU hospital killed her so she's been a *ichigan fan ever since. 

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jcaseyii's picture

I've had brain surgery that went fine. I did argue with a neurologist about not having depression.

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tmothy07's picture

Stay away from my degree please, I'd like it to actually increase in value.

Ohio State Engineering - Class of 2015

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Barfolomew's picture

I'm here to announce that I'm officially starting my campaign. #Barfolomewforpresident

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Barfolomew's picture

As president I plan to slash football ticket prices. No games over $100, Rutgers games under $50. Preference will be given to fans based off of a new merit system. This system will use sensors in the stadium to determine and record how loud you are, and will combine this metric with your elevenwarriors.com helmet stickers count for an overall merit rating.

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Barfolomew's picture

Under my reign Ohio State will establish the first college of gifing which will offer Bachelors, Master's, and PhD in gifing.

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buckguyfan1's picture

Will jams be reinstated?

Simplify...

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Also, somethings somethings somethings 

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Barfolomew's picture

Yes, everyone will get a membership to the jam of the month club

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NOLABuckeye's picture

On campus Moretti's?

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

everyone will get a membership to the jam of the month club 

Shandy is not beer

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cledaybuck's picture

gif 101.  How to pronounce it.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

gif 101.  How to pronounce it. 

Shandy is not beer

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andretolstoy's picture

You need to start EVERY piece of communication you send out as next POTOSU with Under my reign including Christmas mailers.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Barfolomew's picture

As president I will eliminate campus parc, fuck those guys

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Barfolomew's picture

My official campaign song is Changes by Tupac

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Hopefully the next president has a spine. 

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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buckeyenut74's picture

Every time I see/hear of his name, I’ll forever think of that press conference he bumbled and stumbled through, while throwing Urban under the bus. 

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

A bus ride that Urban had a hand or two in riding!  Though that’s not a popular opinion.

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Roman Brutus's picture

Urban did nothing wrong and if you don't see that you were brain washed by the fake media. Know the facts!

I'm tired of hearing how Drake is responsible for all the good things that have taken place at University. If I get into all the things Drake was not the right guy, I'll get down voted for the politics brought in so I'll remain silent. if you think that after only 6 years he's leaving totally on his own accord, then you are quite naive. 

Here's to hoping OSU hires a good president this time.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Now now, lets not call names.  I’ve not been brain washed either, and while I support OSU athletics in general and football more specifically, that doesn’t mean that I can’t recognize that in spite of Smith’s multiple transgressions, it was Urban Meyer who kept him on his football staff.

And if you think that Urban doesn’t have the final say so on who is and is not on his staff, then you’re entitled to that thought.  Meyer wasn’t blameless in the Smith debacle, no matter how it is spun.

Besides, I never said Drake was responsible for all good things to OSU.  While he may have not handled the Smith debacle the best once it was found out, it was not Drake who kept him on staff.  Meyer is a Coach, not a saint, none of us are.  Meyer has faults like the rest of us, 73-9 W/L record or not.

AND while Drake may not have pleased the masses with his handling of the case, the man did some good for OSU and that doesn’t get negated because Meyer is no longer the coach.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Now now, lets not call names

He didn't. Saying someone is naive isn't name-calling.

Shandy is not beer

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Roman Brutus's picture

If you think Urban did wrong by keeping Smith on his staff, then you are wrong. It might have been imprudent at most but not wrong. He was trying to help Zach and I'd rather have a coach taking that risk than one who is a complete ass and just thinks about himself. I get so tired of people saying Urban did wrong in this situation. I never called anyone a name, brain washed is a state of mind, not a noun renaming a person.

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Doc's picture

+1 RB

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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buckeyenut74's picture

Not disagreeing with you, however, Drake couldn’t have messed that up worse than he did. 

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Lou Anna Simon and Graham Spanier say 'hold my beer'.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I’ll raise you a Ken Starr and Ian McGraw. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Good catch, I'd forgotten all about them.  

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

The position requires advanced leadership skills.  Meyer has that part covered for sure.  I think he brings a lot to the table.  He’d be great if he wanted it.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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TheBadOwl's picture

Yeah I'm sure that handing the keys to a multi-BILLION dollar med center to a lifelong football coach would go extremely well. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Yea I’m sure you don’t know what delegating is.

Not to mention that many hospitals are being run by people with business backgrounds vs healthcare backgrounds.  So while the balance sheet may be great, in many cases, it’s at the expense of actual “health care.”

As for Meyer being “just a football coach,” you obviously have no respect for what a job of that magnitude entails.  

To be honest, I don’t think I’d want Meyer or Tressel to be the Pres, only because I think there are better fits; but they both are certainly qualified. 

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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PhillyNut's picture

Urban is not positioned to run a university at this time and he certainly should not start with a university ranked in the top 3 in size depending on what measure you use.  Tressel has had almost a decade to cut his teeth first at Akron and now Youngstown State. And I am not sure even he is ready to run a place like Ohio State.

Also, a very strong prerequisite for being a university president of a place of this size and scope is having a PhD.  You have to have deep knowledge of the educational and research functions of a university.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Very high on the list of job requirements is fund raising, which requires endless glad-handing, chicken dinners, and baby kissing.  Pretty sure Urban would rather eat glass.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Urban has no patience for the slow grind of academia...the politics...the minutia...the paralysis by analysis.  That job would kill him.  Tress is made for it, though. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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G.'s picture

Thank God, all gods, no gods... This kind of news has the power to unite us all!

G.

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FitzBuck's picture

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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Hoody Wayes's picture

This is good news.

Good riddance.

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Chic&#039;sGhost's picture

Hw was brought in by Les Wexner to upgrade the medical school. He failed and he now has to go.

Barney Fife lives, and he lives among us.  

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

The same Wexner with very public failings of his own?

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Chic&#039;sGhost's picture

The same Wexner that started with nothing, created a billion dollar enterprise, donated tens of millions of dollars to the University and wanted the medical complex to be one of the top rated in the world.  

Barney Fife lives, and he lives among us.  

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lamplighter's picture

Good luck to him in retirement.

Next person up Barf for Prez

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kmp10's picture

Ohio State is conducting a "national search." When the guy you need is only 170 miles away in Youngstown, why go national? 

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LCT's picture

Why even have a search? Total waste of time.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Seriously this seems like the perfect time to go grab Tress

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Fatpants's picture

Love Tressel, but his lack of experience in the healthcare industry makes him unqualified. In terms of dollars, Ohio State is a hospital with a school attached to it.

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LCT's picture

Not arguing for Tressel here specifically but does this mean future OSU presidents can only have health care backgrounds?

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Fatpants's picture

The hospital makes money from operations. The teaching side of the college loses money (from operations, not counting donations/investment income/etc). I don’t think they’re looking for a physician or hospital administrator, but the hospital is too valuable a cash cow for them to bring in someone that doesn’t have a good understanding of the issues and trends of the industry. 

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LCT's picture

"Hi, it's Jim Tressel. We're trying to raise another $65 million for the hospital. Can we count on your support? Go Bucks."

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Fatpants's picture

Despite his becoming somewhat of a Chuck Norris figure to Ohio State football fans, it’s not happening. 

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kmp10's picture

I agree, but not because Tressel doesn't have what you say he needs, healthcare experience, rather there's no way OSU's next president is the same guy who was forced out as its football coach about a decade ago. Ohio State doesn't have the balls to make a bold hire like that. Personally, I think Tressel is the perfect candidate. Realistically, I'd be shocked if it comes to be. 

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

That’s power.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

"Hi, it's Jim Tressel. We're trying to raise another $65 million for the hospital. Can we count on your support? Go Bucks."

To which 95% of physicians, surgeons, nurses, etc in the country would reply, "Who are you?"  Not all donations, grants, and big money support come from alumni. Some come from corporations in the medical industry.

We live in the OSU football bubble. We know Coach Tresell very well. But outside of Ohio, and outside of college football and alumni, his name doesn't carry the weight many on here seem to think it would.

And honestly, how many phone calls, emails and flyers do we all already get asking for money? How many do folks on this site respond to any of them? Especially when they aren't tied to better seats at football games, or something for athletics. How many football fans are juiced to give money to the hospital?

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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Fatpants's picture

But outside of Ohio, and outside of college football and alumni, his name doesn't carry the weight many on here seem to think it would.

Unfortunately I think non Ohio State fans remember him for the wrong reasons.  Not as the guy that sat there beaming with tears in his eyes while Troy Smith gave an emotional Heisman speech, but rather that big ol cheater that lied to the NCAA. 

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LCT's picture

How much money are we raising among non-Ohioan, non-alumni medical professionals anyway?

Are you telling me Jim Tressel has no more sway in this area than some Ph.D. in physics nobody's ever heard of? Maybe I have a total misunderstanding of a university president's actual responsibilities but I've always understood Making It Rain to be at/near the top.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

The largest donors are corporations, not individuals. 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/12/09/heres-who-donated-t...

One specific gift made up nearly a sixth of the funding pool this year. That was a $105 million donation from Ohio State Energy Partners, the entity created from Ohio State's massive energy privatization deal. The money was donated to a wide swath of university needs.

Other notable donations include a gift [$18M] from Bob and Corrine Frick, the family behind Roosters, who donated to the Ross Heart Hospital, James Cancer Hospital and Solove Research Institute, along with establishing the Bob and Corrine Frick Center for Heart Failure and Arrhythmia at the Ross Heart Hospital.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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rotsbu's picture

I certainly do not disagree that the hospital system is a huge part of the University.  But, OSU is not unique in having a major academic health system attached to it...see UM, Washington, UCLA, etc, etc.  I don't have the time to investigate, but I'm curious how many of those other universities have a former physician or hospital leader as president?  I don't think any of the presidents during my days at OSU (Kirwan, Holbrook, Gee) were from healthcare.

In a related note, does anyone know about the apparent division between the James and the rest of the medical center?  If it's true that they don't play well in the sandbox together, that seems like a huge opportunity for branding and cohesive messaging to me.

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andretolstoy's picture

You don't necessarily have to have a medical background to work towards building healthcare at The Ohio State. You just have to be good at raising money.

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Barfolomew's picture

Tressel has proven his healthcare competence numerous times by nursing 3 and 7 point leads for multiple quarters.

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LCT's picture

He also saved Ohio State football's life.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

How Tress handled the Tyson Gentry injury might be a clue into how he could navigate the medical situations at the university. Has a big heart and isnt an idiot.

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cledaybuck's picture

Yeah, but think of how many heart attacks he was responsible for.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Yeah, but think of how many heart attacks he was responsible for.

Cardiologists are some of his most ardent supporters

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Doesn’t the OSU hospital have its own CEO?

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BeatTTUN's picture

So does that mean Ohio State Football is Kuato and the Ohio State Hospital is whatever the guy's name is carrying around Kuato?

Or is it the other way around? Is Kuato carrying the other guy? No that can't work because that's clearly the other guys legs and all we see is Kuato's upper body and arms. 

Start the reactor!

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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RBloodworth's picture

Yeah, sure.  The BoT is going to choose a retired football coach with no PhD and a history of NCAA violations as its next University President.  Yeah...

I’m thinking (hoping) this is TiC, but anyone who seriously thinks that they’re going to hire Tressel is delusional.  This school is way too image-conscious for that.

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LCT's picture

So image conscious that we made the head coach we suspended for three games a top-level adminstrator less than a year later?

Tressel for president is probably a long shot to your point, but we could do a lot worse.

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Fatpants's picture

Top level administrator? He’s an assistant athletic director, which I believe was a similar title to Archie’s when he was there. That’s far from being top level. 

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LCT's picture

One step below Gene, if I'm not mistaken. So I guess technically not "top level" but it's a figure of speech.

You make a good point. They gave Urban the same role & honoraria they gave *Archie Griffin* less than a year after they suspended him for three games.

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Snake64's picture

One step below Gene in name only. Urban is a glorified motivational speaker for the student athletes. He isn't tasked with any real jobs that the AD does. 

He's spending more time at FOX in LA than he is in Columbus anyways. The "title" he was given is nowhere near top level. I get the love for the man because of his coaching acumen but let's slow down on the blind loyalty. 

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

I think people overvalue the need for a university president to be "from academia". 

The way the modern university is structured, there are so many provosts, assistant provosts, executive deans, deans, assistant deans, etc that the president of a university plays a relatively minor role in the academic profile of the college. 

Princeton University, the top ranked university in the country, has a president with no PhD. Same with the president of the University of North Carolina (she left this year). Purdue is run by Mitch freaking Daniels.

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LCT's picture

"Jim Tressel? My God, this is Ohio State. We need someone like Brit Kirwan."

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Fatpants's picture

Ohio State is 50x the size of YSU. 

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

It was also a I-AA school when we we hired him to be our head football coach and that seemed to work our fine.

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buckskin's picture

Exactly right tbddintbuck. I personally feel he would do well, but in all reality is a long shot at best.

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Doc's picture

So was the football program he inherited and people were scratching their heads when he was hired.  We all know how that turned out.  At least he won't be some stuffed shirt like Holbrook, Kirwan or Dork.

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

It's true that a lot of what most people assume is the job of a university president is actually done by the provost.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

You didn't just use University of North Carolina, that was recently investigated for holding fake classes, as good example to follow, did you?

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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Octobersownlibra's picture

Would love to know who is on that radar as far as national search goes

Ryan Day the goat....and yes I pee on ttun all the time.

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buckz4evr's picture

BOOOOOOM!!!! Best news we've had in a long time. 

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62wasn’tenough's picture

Would E.Gordon Gee consider a third term? If not, then Tress.

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SilverState's picture

Gee is a gaffe machine. No thanks

"Year for what?"

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Dstacify's picture

Wasn't he President during the timeframe when Dr. Strauss was going unchecked molesting student athletes? Yeah hard pass. Running OSU is NOT like running the Polish Army thank you very much.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I still believe that Drake forced Urban out. Gave him last year and said that was it. Drake didn’t like being overshadowed by Meyer and didn’t like the fact the football program was bigger than the things he felt were important.  

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Drake seriously sucked. It's interesting the Board of Trustees didn't award him his typical six-figure bonus this year. 

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mrgreenpants's picture

ugghh.. my eyes are burning.

he does not deserve to wear a #10 jersey.

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

I'm curious as to how he acquired a #10 jersey since we only sell #1 and the current year numbers (so what, #14 through #19 during his tenure?).  I would think this tweet would constitute using the likeness of whomever is #10 at the moment (Amir Riep?) which is an NCAA violation and was a central issue of the O'Bannon lawsuit.

Hopefully he doesn't forget to self report it to the NCAA.

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Mikeosu02's picture

I would think this tweet would constitute using the likeness of whomever is #10 at the moment (Amir Riep?) which is an NCAA violation and was a central issue of the O'Bannon lawsuit.

No. Wearing a jersey does not constitute using the likeness of a player. Making a video game that includes a player that wears #10, looks like Amier Riep, and has the attributes of Amir Riep--different story.  

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

I found my answer, but it is still a likeness issue:

https://www.thelantern.com/2015/08/ohio-state-retail-jerseys-will-be-lim...

“Given the current climate around use of players’ names and likeness, this seemed to fit philosophically with where we want to be,” Van Brimmer said. “Fans can still get any number they choose through our custom jersey program at the stadium and online at our official team shop, as long as they include their (own) name on the jersey.”

So you can still custom order a jersey through the school with any number provided your own name appears on the back, which is likely how he got a #10 jersey.  But if Ohio State sold millions of #2 jerseys, you think it isn't because of Dobbins/Young?  That was half the point of O'Bannon, it was more than NCAA '14.

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tmothy07's picture

You're curious as to how the president of the university acquired a football jersey from said university?

Next.

Ohio State Engineering - Class of 2015

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andretolstoy's picture

I don't know. I don't feel this animosity towards Drake. I just think he was bad at this piece of his work. I say it's a lot easier to learn how to raise money for particular colleges or sectors of the University than it is to handle the narrative pushers from Twitterland, especially within the football programs. Besides, Drake is a man. I believe deep down he understands the crap storm Urban was going through.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Octobersownlibra's picture

Soooo..urban faked his brain cysts..that's what you are basically saying.

Ryan Day the goat....and yes I pee on ttun all the time.

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CincyOSU's picture

I still believe that Drake forced Urban out. Gave him last year and said that was it. Drake didn’t like being overshadowed by Meyer and didn’t like the fact the football program was bigger than the things he felt were important.  

So he forced him out because he was stealing his spotlight, then when the spotlight was finally on him he decides to retire?

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Z-List's picture

call me weird but I think someone should be fired for deleting multiple texts that were required by law to be retained. oh well

I think the outcome for Urban was just about best case scenario for him. blaming drake is laughable. or gene smith. 

and I think there are other people who delete texts and there's a bunch of them. 

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mrgreenpants's picture

both AD smith and urban were forced to fall on their swords because of that sorry excuse for a man...

drake will not be missed.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Meyer had the biggest hand in the Smith debacle, because HE was the one who retained Smith on his staff.  Not even a 73-9 W/L record can change that fact, REGARDLESS to what anyone thinks or says about Drake.

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cledaybuck's picture

Not to mention he was the one who completely botched the press conference even after being told the right thing to say.

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Bugsyk's picture

Hopefully the next President will have more spine and personality than dryer lint.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

#HIRETRESS

University President job is 75% fundraising.  The rest is a mix of strategic leadership, organizational comms, and building Goodwill.

I have no doubt Tress understands what he needs to know to raise money for the hospital. And what he doesn’t know, he can learn.  Look at some of the losers we’ve had at President. I’ll take JT any day and 2x on Sunday. 

The NCAA is going to openly allow that which lead to his downfall.  The “stain” on his reputation for that is dramatically reduced or gone.

Day is his kind of coach...more polished, reflective, family-atmosphere oriented. They’d get along well and mutually support one another.

He’s knows Ohio, loves Ohio, and is beloved in Ohio. 
 

#HIRETRESS

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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McBane's picture

Was Drake the guy that gave Chase Young the loan?

Just keep winning!

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BeatTTUN's picture

It's 8:23 EST on a Thursday, McBane. Don't you have more important words to post right meow? 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Does anyone yet know how much the Loan was for, and where he got the $ to repay it if he didn’t have the $ in the first place.  Oh wait, that’s Drake’s fault too!

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BuckeyeGoneNuts's picture

I'm a proud OSU alum, and I say good riddance.   Glad Drake will be gone.

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Fatpants's picture

Damn. 
 

Why can’t I be the cat!?!?!?

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Fatpants's picture

I hate you both 

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BeatTTUN's picture

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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OSU_ALUM_05's picture

free meme generators on the internet should have a grammar checking function

change my mind 

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BeatTTUN's picture

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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Fatpants's picture

Perfectioner.gif

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Hoody Wayes's picture

I enjoy this meme. An ex-gf had a white short-hair just like the one, pictured. He was a character.

From what are the images derived? 

TBDSNITL: The best damn screen name in the land!

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Barfolomew's picture

From what are the images derived? 

The internet 

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Hoody Wayes's picture

Tallywhacker.

TBDSNITL: The best damn screen name in the land!

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MightyMac63's picture

Everyone knows that Drake threw Urban under the bus last year for the Zach Smith fiasco..when the BOT recommended that Urban should have received time already served..

Drake caved into the media pressure..Good riddance..

"Just remember one thing. I can do your job, but you can't do mine." - Woody Hayes to an OSU professor

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cledaybuck's picture

Everyone does not know this.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Absolutely respect Fatpants and his opinions.  The President doesn’t need to run the hospital. The President needs to hire the right person to run the hospital. The President needs to raise money for the hospital.  Tress is your man.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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LCT's picture

Hospital CEOs don't do heart surgeries.

Insurance company CEOs don't handle claims.

Bank CEOs don't take deposits.

&c.

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Fatpants's picture

Show me one of those three that stepped to the top of a $3 billion hospital/bank/insurance company with no prior experience in the industry. 

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LCT's picture

But we're talking about leadership of a public university that has a (great) hospital, not the other way around.

Better candidate for tOSU president, Toby Cosgrove or Jim Tressel? Why?

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Fatpants's picture

Toby Cosgrove would be a great option if the university mission was to provide a great education while simultaneously extracting the maximum amount of cash from the students. 

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Fatpants's picture

Absolutely respect Fatpants and his opinions.  

Thanks buddy, same.
 

I do agree that the president needs to hire (and evaluate ongoing performance of) the person that runs the hospital. That’s a very tall order for a career football coach.  
 

All that aside, the guy appears to be loving life at YSU. He’s a man of the people. 

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CALPOPPY's picture

Bummer.

I like Drake. He’s done some great things for Ohio State. Has had an excellent tenure at the alma mater.

Memento mori

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Mikeosu02's picture

Agreed. This is going to be an unpopular opinion here, but I am with you, Poppy.

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LCT's picture

Me too. It's hard to look at the state of things Ohio State-wise and conclude Drake "sucks."

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Fatpants's picture

The entire Urban/Zach fiasco was a no-win situation for the administration, and its important to remember Urban was disciplined not because they thought there was merit to Courtney’s claims, but because Urban kept a bad employee around for too long for the wrong reasons. 

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tmothy07's picture

Could've taken some student body outreach tips from Gee, but yeah, I don't understand the crazy hate. He definitely wasn't a Holbrook.

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stxbuck's picture

Drake has done an excellent job for tOSU. Congrats on a job well done.

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Hovenaut's picture

I guess, depending on how you're looking at things, this is like the best week ever.

Drake heading out.

Boycotting that bothersome GameDay show.

Penn State getting served.

I'm sure thankful for the continued outrage, rage on.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Anyone sad about this? No? Me neither. Not to discredit the good he did as President, it was NOT ALL just the Urban stuff, but man he was a real disappointment during that time.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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CALPOPPY's picture

Yes. I’m a little bummed. I liked him.

Have friends as faculty and they’ve enjoyed interacting with him. I think he’s done some good things for the University.

Memento mori

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

The Urban thing is all anyone will reference and remember, and while that was a real let down, it's not fair to just pinpoint that instance for his legacy.

Good with the bad, and look at where we are now?

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

RER1983, agreed!  Drake will be remembered more for his Urban “handling”, than Urban will be remembered for his Smith “handling”.

And I find the latter more egregious than the former.  Awfully ironic I’d say. 

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RockyRoadBuck's picture

Now just beat PSU and this will be the best week ever. Good riddance Drake.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I had the opportunity to brief Dr. Drake when he came to tour Wright Patterson. He was engaging, intelligent, asked really good questions, and was very interested in better connecting the University to one of the largest employers in the state, which already employs a huge number of OSU grads.  He was also interested in research that the 711th Human Performance Wing was doing using OSU football players to test a variety of health monitoring systems (like FitBit on steroids) for military special forces. 

Football fans may not like how the Urban Meyer - Zach Smith issues was handles by Drake, but it was not a problem of his making. He's had to deal with the he Dr. Strauss scandal (also not his making), not to mention his day job of running one of the largest public universities in the country.  And he did it without making biggoted remarks, or doing something else to complete discredit the university.

On balance, I'd say them and is more good than harm to the University.  The school could do, and has done, a lot worse.  Six years is a long tenure.  We should thank him and wish him well.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Weave77's picture

On balance, I'd say them and is more good than harm to the University.

Yeah well, tell that to Jon Waters. Drake had a history of throwing subordinates under the bus, regardless of actual guilt, if there was even a chance he might lose face among his progressive academia peers. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Are you aware that the Department of Education had been investigating the University for four years regarding the marching band? Drake showed up in Jan 2014 and was handed a huge pile of shit as his first order of business. The decision to fire Waters in July 2014 caused the DOE to end its investigation early.

Had Drake’s predecessor done something about it, one way or the other, before leaving, Drake never would’ve had to get involved.

Terminating subordinates is the worst part of any supervisor’s job. I doubt he took it lightly. And when it comes as a result of issues within the subordinate’s power, it’s not “throwing them under the bus.”

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Weave77's picture

Are you aware that the Department of Education had been investigating the University for four years regarding the marching band?

Yes I am. Are you aware that Jon Waters had been band director for only two of those years, and was working with the university to scale back and/or remove the "traditions" that had been the root of the complaints and subsequent investigation?

Drake showed up in Jan 2014 and was handed a huge pile of shit as his first order of business. The decision to fire Waters in July 2014 caused the DOE to end its investigation early.

I absolutely agree with that statement. I disagree with you in the thinking that Drake was correct to scapegoat an innocent man and thus completely destroy his career because it was the convenient thing to do.

Had Drake’s predecessor done something about it, one way or the other, before leaving, Drake never would’ve had to get involved.

Sure, but that in no way, shape, or form excuses what Drake did.

Terminating subordinates is the worst part of any supervisor’s job. I doubt he took it lightly. And when it comes as a result of issues within the subordinate’s power, it’s not “throwing them under the bus.”

From a recorded conversation at a board meeting, it certainly does seem like he took it likely. At any rate, it doesn't matter when the issues and investigation (and once again, this is important) preexisted Jon Waters as band director. 

Finding a convenient scapegoat is a trend for Drake's career. Because of the backlash against his stupid decisions, we know of two of those instances, but who knows how many times it happened without fanfare over the course of his career? My guess is quite a bit.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Are you aware that Jon Waters had been band director for only two of those years, and was working with the university to scale back and/or remove the "traditions" that had been the root of the complaints and subsequent investigation?

So you're saying Dr. Waters had been in charge for two years, and in that time he was unable to effect the changes necessary to end the practices within the marching band that caused the investigation. That doesn't make him a scapegoat. He accepted accountability for TBDBITL when he signed his contract. That means when shit hit the fan, he had to be ready to answer for it. Knowing there was an active investigation going on, his first and primary order of business should've been to root out the problems and fix it.

I served for 30 years in an organization that held traditions dating back over a century. Traditions that resulted in physical injury to Sailors. We stamped the worst of those out in less than 90 days. If Waters was truly trying to end some of that bullshit, and create a better culture, he should've been able to do it within his first year. It can be done, regardless of how ingrained those behaviors or culture may seem to be.

By all accounts Dr. Waters was a great director, and he was loved by the members of TBDBITL. But that doesn't mean he was the best person to try to change the culture. Sometimes you need someone from the outside, who didn't grow up there, who's vision isn't skewed based on being a part of the culture. And it doesn't appear that his termination has ruined his life or his career.  He's currently employed at a university as a band director.

Lastly, you state that Drake has a trend of finding scapegoats to blame for issues.  Who exactly should Drake have held accountable for the issues in the band or with Zach Smith?  And how do you make the leap from two incidents to it being a trend, who tho other evidence?  

I get it. You disagree with his decisions. But have you ever been in a position where you've had to make those kinds of calls?  They are incredible difficult.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Weave77's picture

So you're saying Dr. Waters had been in charge for two years, and in that time he was unable to effect the changes necessary to end the practices within the marching band that caused the investigation.

I am saying that the culture of a 140+ year old civilian institution comprised of teenage and 20-something students does not change overnight, regardless of what you might think. Also, bear in mind that the "scandal" was incredibly tame and overblown for a college group- it mainly centered around the sexually suggestive nicknames and the “Midnight Ramp” tradition that dated back to the 1960s (something the university was aware of for years before Waters became the band director), where band members marched into the stadium in their underwear. Waters retained the overwhelming support of both then current and former band members both before and after his firing, many of whom maintained that the University was fine with all activities until they generated unfavorable press.

That doesn't make him a scapegoat.

Yes... yes, it does.

He accepted accountability for TBDBITL when he signed his contract. That means when shit hit the fan, he had to be ready to answer for it. Knowing there was an active investigation going on, his first and primary order of business should've been to root out the problems and fix it.

According to sworn testimony from Waters, the University gave him no directive to make changes to the band's culture upon his hire, with all of his efforts towards that end coming from his own initiative. The investigation came as the result of a "concerned parent", and from what I've heard from friends who are former band members, it was extremely overblown.

I served for 30 years in an organization that held traditions dating back over a century. Traditions that resulted in physical injury to Sailors. We stamped the worst of those out in less than 90 days.

So you are saying that, while in serving in the Navy (a military organization that prides itself on order and discipline), after years and years of extreme hazing traditions that lead to the severe humiliation, sexual assault, injury, and even death of a number of individuals, the order was passed down to stop the worst of the hazing, or else face court martial/dishonorable discharge/imprisonment? And they were able to mostly do it in 90 days?

Forgive me, but that's not particularly impressive. Nor is it in any way comparable to Jon Waters/Ohio State Marching Band situation.

And by the way, it doesn't look like the Navy's attempts to crack down on hazing were entirely effective.

By all accounts Dr. Waters was a great director, and he was loved by the members of TBDBITL.

Finally, we agree on something.

But that doesn't mean he was the best person to try to change the culture. Sometimes you need someone from the outside, who didn't grow up there, who's vision isn't skewed based on being a part of the culture.

Maybe that's the case. But the Drake didn't try to find out. According to testimony, there was no effort on the part of the University to work towards "improving" the band culture- or even giving Waters a clear directive on what they wanted in that regard. Instead, Drake just shifted all blame to his scapegoat the moment there was outside pressure.

And it doesn't appear that his termination has ruined his life or his career.  He's currently employed at a university as a band director.

According to his wiki page, Jon Waters was hired as the band director at Heidelberg University, a tiny, private university in located in Tiffin, Ohio that has 1,000 undergrad students and an endowment of $44 million. Clearly, you and I have a different idea of what a ruined career looks like.

Lastly, you state that Drake has a trend of finding scapegoats to blame for issues.  Who exactly should Drake have held accountable for the issues in the band or with Zach Smith?  And how do you make the leap from two incidents to it being a trend, who tho other evidence? 

With regards to the band, no one. The controversy was immensely over-blown, brought about by an overly-concerned parent and an overreaction by the university, given more severe hazing incidents in the past. After Waters was fired, the utter incompetence of the so-called "investigation" came to light. Multiple witnesses came forward, claiming that their testimony had been used completely out of context, and a Title IX coordinator alleged that she was prevented from doing her job by the university with regards to investigating the incidents in question. In short, there was much ado about nothing, and after a shoddy investigation, a beloved band leader was fired without just cause "just to be safe".

With regards to the Zach Smith incident, it has all been rehashed on this site time and time again, but Drake was pushing for Urban Meyer's firing against the recommendation of all but one of the board of directors, and only relented when Urban was given an (undeserved) 3 game suspension.

And how do you make the leap from two incidents to it being a trend, who tho other evidence? 

My dear NavyBuckeye, two incidents like that within a 5 year period IS a trend. 

I get it. You disagree with his decisions. But have you ever been in a position where you've had to make those kinds of calls?  They are incredible difficult.

No, I haven't. And I agree, those in authority often have to make very difficult decisions. But don't act like Drake was Harry Truman given the green light to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima... the decision to fire Waters was confounding and utterly inappropriate.

Regardless, the reason that Drake was in his position as University president was to get those decisions right. And his failure to do so probably played no small role in him soon leaving that position.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I’m sorry, but you can’t read this investigation, including Dr. Waters’s comments, and truly believe that he was making a concerted effort to enact real changes in the program prior to the complaint. 

https://ml-law.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/OhioStateUniversityHazingR...

And let’s be clear, it’s not like he was only on staff for two years. He had been a band member from ‘95-‘99, a GA in 2000 and then an Assistant for a decade before becoming the director. Not only had he presided over TBDBITL for some of this, he was more than likely a participant at some point. 

You don’t need a directive from the University President to stop practices like having a female band member perform a fake orgasm while writhing on her brother’s lap. I’ve seen a lot of sexualized shit in my life in some of the seedier parts of the world, and that has no place in college marching band. 

Waters was accountable. Period. He tolerated it as an Assistant and as the Director. He had to go. Period. Any reasonable President would’ve done the same thing. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Fatpants's picture

Such traditions are fine until they're not.

When a parent complains and it becomes a Title IX issue, the University is going to err on the side of caution rather than risk jeopardizing hundreds of millions of dollars of federal funds. Firing the band director (who allowed these to go on and also partook as a band member) is a logical conclusion if you want these practices to end and give a clear sign to anyone watching that you're serious about ending them.

I have sympathy for Waters because I think he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and may have been working toward cleaning things up, but that federal money is what enables Ohio State to be the great research institution that it is. The University is going to have zero risk tolerance when it comes to that much money.

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stxbuck's picture

He also did a very good job of handling the aftermath of the jihadi attack and the idiot students who tried to occupy his office. The situations were politically touchy but he handled them firmly and w/out pc kowtowing or overreaction.

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OSU_Hammy's picture

The president of the university has less impact on the success of the university than you think. Some of you above act like the medical revenue would have been different under someone else and you couldn’t be more wrong. As a student when Drake took over I can tell you everything went to hell on campus in my opinion. Not to mention he encouraged all the safe space little baby bullshit that is running rampant around the university now. People hate him for more than the Urban Meyer thing. 

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westy81585's picture

Drake ruined the campus parking situation, threw the band under the bus as an opening act, eliminated the Mirror Lake Jump, THEN threw Urban under the bus.  

Sure he did fine on the other stuff... so did basically every other OSU president in the history of the University.  

Good riddance, and frankly about 6 years too late.  

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

threw the band under the bus as an opening act, eliminated the Mirror Lake Jump, THEN threw Urban under the bus. 

Yhe band issue should’ve been handled before Drake ever assumed the position of president. The Dept of Edication had been investigating the university for 4 years.

The Mirror Lake Jump didn’t exist for the vast majority of OSU grads. It wasn’t a thing before the last couple of decades. You may lament its loss, but the family who lost their son because of the Mirror Lake Jump probably thinks the decision came a year too late. Please explain to them the importance of maintaining that particular 2-3 decade “tradition.”

Drake didn’t through Coach Meyer under the bus. And you if you really believe that, I would say Zach Smith was in the driver’s seat of the bus and Meyer gave him the keys. Drake didn’t go looking for something to hang Meyer, and he didn’t go so far as to terminate him. Based on the evidence provided, the suspension seemed reasonable and fair. There was a least one member of the BoT that wanted Meyer gone. 

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Fatpants's picture

The Mirror Lake Jump didn’t exist for the vast majority of OSU grads.

Can confirm. Was not much of a thing in the mid/late 90s. 

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CALPOPPY's picture

Drake ruined the campus parking situation,

Not sure how Drake ruined campus parking, so I would love to be enlightened. I’m being truthful as I guess I didn’t hear what he did. I haven’t heard anything about parking since Gee signed a 50 year deal with CampusParc awhile back, a couple years before Drake started...as my parents still complain about him selling out the parking for OSU for 50 years. (my father is Emeritus Professor at OSU, so still gets a parking pass).

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Gametime's picture

Listen, I loved our former quasi-disgraced coaches. We're upset, but look man... Woody, Tress, Urban...great, compassionate men, who took risks that put relationships and ego before "the rules" and good judgement.

Now I hate towing the line as much as anyone, but we all know Zach was a mediocre coach for the talent he was recruiting. Drake didn't have to stick it to Urban like that, but I think the media pressure dictated that he had to do more because of Strauss, Wrestling, etc. 

But the numbers don't lie has far as all-time achievement for the university, and if we're being honest, looking at what we have right now with Ryan Day, and this team potentially being all-time great? He's got mostly young 40ish coaches who can take the reigns from two legends on defense and three legends on offense to siphon from as well... and while it's an unpopular opinion, it might not have been possible without that extra push from Drake...

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OSU56's picture

LCT 5 hours ago

But we're talking about leadership of a public university that has a (great) hospital, not the other way around.

Better candidate for tOSU president, Toby Cosgrove or Jim Tressel? Why?

Why not? He dresses the part, is a good public speaker and he hates the Boys up North.....

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Tressel can’t be the president because nOt A pHd AnD cAn’T rUn A hOsPiTaL

And yet: https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/kasich-for-president-sources-say-o...

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