Mark Dantonio Wants to Be Coach at MSU Next Year, Will Not Retire

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Great news for the big ten! More crappy Michigan State offense!

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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youra6's picture

Step 1: Fire everyone on the offensive staff

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Buckeyebull64's picture

I image if they retain him they do tell him he needs to make substantial changes on offense. Chad Morris is available 

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BuxLax's picture

I think he is gone in January (negotiates a settlement for his $4 million due on or about 1/14).

What offensive/assistant coach, worth their weight, is going to come to MSU with a sniff of a one year contract?

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Milk Steak To Go's picture

You mean re-re-arrange the offensive staff, right?

-Mark Dantonio

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Homey1970's picture

Has Bollman taken a turn as WR coach?

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Earle's picture

Can you blame the guy for loving coaching so much that he can't bear to quit?

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Defiance's picture

Shoot, at least Mark's cat is grumpy happy about his decision...

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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hodge's picture

MSU with Dantonio is exactly where we were with Thad Matta. Changing out a historically-great coach (by program standards) is never easy, but it's best to do it before the shit really starts to get bad. Sometimes the best way to preserve a legacy is to prevent its creator from undoing it.

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216ToThe614's picture

You nailed it again, Hodge.

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
WB

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

Sometimes the best way to preserve a legacy is to prevent its creator from undoing it.

So that's why Urban retired...

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

And. like with Matta, the slide into mediocrity (or worse) seemed to be pretty fast.

As ASJ noted above, this is good news for every other team in the B1G. 

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Defiance's picture

Sometimes the best way to preserve a legacy is to prevent its creator from undoing it.

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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Buckabroad's picture

"Sometimes the best way to preserve a legacy is to prevent its creator from undoing it." That is a brilliant quote and, more often than not, utterly accurate. 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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hodge's picture

It's especially common in college football. Players are transient, but coaches transcend their programs -- which makes it especially hard for their institutions to pull the plug on someone who's been there for decades. Look at Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno (scandal notwithstanding, he was a glorified figurehead presiding over a slowly-deteriorating program) -- how much better would their coaching legacies have looked had they bowed out half a decade or so earlier? Not trying to minimize JoePa's impact on the horrors of Sandusky -- just trying look outside of it.

And here's the dirty secret when it comes to OSU: Tatgate spared us from Tressel's inevitable decline. I'll be the first to shout his accomplishments from the rooftops, but the game was passing him by. And with as bad as the Big Ten was in the early 2010's, you'd have seen an OSU team that would have dominated the conference on talent alone and got embarrassed on the national stage. Instead, we won a natty with Urban (and, as crazy as it sounds, that's probably underachieving for as good as his teams were) before he left at the top of his game: ceding authority to a brilliant young mind who appears to be in the best possible position to maintain our standard of excellence.

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Fatpants's picture

Joe Paterno (scandal notwithstanding, he was a glorified figurehead presiding over a slowly-deteriorating program)

He crapped his pants on the sideline and I believe his last couple seasons he had to sit up in the pressbox. They'd show him on occasion, and he'd be sitting quietly without a headset - it was obvious he wasn't part of the game day coaching. 

 Tatgate spared us from Tressel's inevitable decline.

I've been saying the same thing for a while. Things were already on the decline, but he was so respected that he would've probably been given too much time. 

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stxbuck's picture

Decline-what are you smoking? Before Tatgate, the 11’ squad was shaping up for a serious NC run. Braxton Miller has just signed. Anyone thinking the Buckeyes were going into some sort of on field decline under JT is engaging in retroactive fanbyism for Urban.

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rkylet83's picture

That 2011 offensive line was absolute garbage.  The regression of those players is a direct result of Tressel keeping Bollman as offensive line coach.  No way would the offense has been as good as 2010.  We also took a step back on defense.  With Pryor at the controls, we might have been a 2-4 loss team.  And then to 2012 with Siciliano as QB coach and Bollman still running the o-line...it would be an absolute clown show.  This almost perfectly mirrors what MSU is going through with Dantonio’s crony hires.  

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stxbuck's picture

One of the best LTs in tOSU history was one of the players suspended for tattgate-Mike Adams. I realize your eternal butthurt regarding anything Bollman will cloud your objectivity(I wasn't enamored w/ the dude), but anyone with an ounce of football sense who followed the Buckeyes beyond x-box jockey fandom realized 11' was shaping up to be a great team prior to the suspensions.

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rkylet83's picture

All of the suspended players (except Pryor) came back mid season and there was little difference.  We still got smacked around by Purdue, Michigan and Penn State.  I guess they forgot how to play at that level by being suspended.  

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Dstacify's picture

Pryor was by far the most important player out of that suspended group. Plus we didn't get Posey back until the final 3 games (his suspension was extended in case you forgot) which hit the WRs the hardest (basically all the WRs that saw the field in 2011 were freshmen with the exceptions of Posey and Philly Brown). Even with those players back in the lineup we had a true freshman QB on the field (let's be honest, Braxton was completely overwhelmed and nerve-wracked at times during his freshman year, veterans who played on the team at the time have attested to this). Having Pryor back under center would've changed the course of the season completely, even with Fickell coaching the team. It for sure wouldn't have been perfect but the team doesn't finish below .500 if Pryor plays in 2011 (hell they don't finish below .500 that year if Bauserman doesn't see the field at all).

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rkylet83's picture

I didn’t forget Posey had the additional suspension...that’s why I put the last three games of the season as getting smacked around.  He played in all of them and was largely a non-factor.  Miller was certainly nowhere near ready...but he was an early enrollee as a freshman.  Siciliano had him for quite sometime prior to the season and he was nowhere near ready.  It was unfortunate for him he was playing behind a sieve of an offensive line and a coordinator that had no idea what they wanted to do from game to game.  I also agree that Pryor was masterful at making plays on his own and I agree he probably would have rescued them in a number of those games.  Without that high level guy at the controls it was a bunch of great athletes that look lost.

This is exactly what Dantonio’s MSU offense looks like right now minus the good athletes on offense because good ol’ Walrus doesn’t even recruit (seriously he doesn’t) and no kid with options in their right mind would want to play there.

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Dstacify's picture

A big reason for the problems on offense in 2011 were BECAUSE Tressel wasn't there. Because Tressel was no longer on the sidelines that automatically made Jim Bollman the offensive play-caller by default. Tressel wasn't perfect as a play-caller by any means but he was far from bad. That's what makes him much different from Dantonio IMO. Dantonio has let his offense rot in the hands of incompetent people on his staff. Tressel wasn't doing anything close to that towards the end of his run at OSU (Pryor actually improved significantly as a passer from 2009 to 2010).

Also, yes, Siciliano worked with Braxton in the off-season but they weren't prepping for him to be the starter at the time. Let me remind you Tressel was still coaching the team throughout Spring Ball that year (it wasn't until about a month and a half before the season started that shit really hit the fan and Tressel subsequently resigned and Pryor elected to withdraw from OSU). Pryor was practicing with the team throughout Spring Ball up until the summer that year and taking all the reps with the 1s at the time. Once he left and Fickell took over as interim HC Bauserman took the majority of the reps with the 1s in practice while Braxton was rolling with the 2s. All that lost prep work in the off-season mattered significantly because starters approach their preparation for the season much differently than backups do. Braxton went into that season thinking he was going to be sitting and was only thrown into the fire once the Bauserman experiment failed. No true freshman is prepared to handle a situation like that period. Had Pryor (a seasoned 3-year starter at QB as opposed to a true freshman) played that year the results absolutely would've been different.

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Dstacify's picture

You do realize statistically 2010 was Pryor's best season passing right? Also going into 2011 if the suspensions don't happen the team is undergoing very little turnover on the offensive side of the ball (the only key offensive player from the 2010 season that wasn't going to be there in 2011 was Dane Sanzenbacher). That still leaves Pryor with experienced weapons like DeVier Posey and Jake Stoneburner to throw to (without being forced to play young guys like Devin Smith and Chris Fields well before they were ready to see the field). The offensive line remains 100% intact from where it was at in 2010 with Adams still on the field at LT and Pryor is able to build off of his improved success throwing the ball in 2010. I won't argue that Bollman and Siciliano weren't terrible coaches (they absolutely were) but 2011 was shaping up to be a good season for OSU if Tatgate doesn't happen (at the very least they would've been in contention to win the B1G again, I mean even Luke Fickell's gutted team managed to beat Russell Wilson's Badgers that year).

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Fatpants's picture

. Anyone thinking the Buckeyes were going into some sort of on field decline under JT is engaging in retroactive fanbyism for Urban.

So Terrelle Pryor and his awful throwing mechanics (thanks to having a video coordinator as a position coach) and the humiliations at the hands of UF and USC aren’t warning signs but rather, “fanbyism”?

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Buckeyebull64's picture

Those losses were during the dip, the team was back on the rise. They beat a chip kelly Oregon team, and the Arkansas at their peak under their dirtbag coach. The pendulum was swinging back up

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Fatpants's picture

I have the utmost respect for Tressel and what he accomplished, but his best years coaching were behind him. Pryor’s legs were a cheat code in 2010. 

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hodge's picture

So much this. Had the Tat Five not been suspended, we'd have certainly been in the conversation for the title that year...because we'd have likely run the table in a down year for the Big Ten (Russel Wilson's Wisconsin team was the only real threat that year). But I don't see that team standing much of a chance against an undefeated LSU in the BCS title game.

It's not revisionist history to say that Tress wasn't keeping up with the game by the time he was forced out, and that we upgraded by hiring Meyer. Now, Tress quite possibly could have pulled a Saban and wholly embraced the spread (eschewing Dave for zone reads); but we'll never know. 

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buckinmich's picture

"Humiliations at the hands of UF and USC"?  Ok, if Tressel is responsible for those losses, I'll counter with Clemson, Iowa and Purdue.  Those aren't on Tressel, are they?

"Tressel struggled his first season at Youngstown State, winning only two games, but he quickly built a national powerhouse in Division I-AA football. During the 1990s, Youngstown State won 103 games, lost twenty-seven, and tied two. Tressel teams also won four national championships."

That's FOUR national championships, won on the field, against equal competition.  Uh, Urban has.... three, in total, and only ONE of them at tOSU?   Who was the coach that PROMISED tOSU would be proud of their team in November?  Yeah, that was Tressel.

Urban is/was a great coach, but it was Tressel that turned around tOSU, not Meyer.  Meyer continued/improved on what Tressel started.

Tressel's record the last 5 years?  12-1, 11-2, 10-3, 11-2, 12-1.  9 losses in 5 years.  Urban had 7 losses in his final 5 years.  That is NOT a coaching record of someone who had lost touch and was in decline.

Yeah, he got fired for lying about knowing about his players getting tattoos in exchange for possessions.  On the morality scale, that's FAR below someone who knowingly protected a coach who was a spousal abuser and general sleeze bag, wouldn't ya think?

I'm not putting down Urban.  I love the guy.  I'm just saying that Jim and Urban are very similar in records, and BOTH were good for Ohio State.

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Fatpants's picture

"Humiliations at the hands of UF and USC"?  Ok, if Tressel is responsible for those losses, I'll counter with Clemson, Iowa and Purdue.  Those aren't on Tressel, are they?
 

Those losses also happened later in a coach’s tenure and I’d say they’re an entirely different beast. Tressel’s losses were the result of just being completely outclassed by a better team while the head scratchers you mentioned (with the exception of Clemson) being awful losses to shitty teams.  

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Dstacify's picture

I disagree about Tressel. He molded his offense to fit both Troy Smith and Terrelle Pryor and it worked for the most part. The high powered attack we saw in 2006 was a spread offense that occasionally ran out of the Power-I formation. On top of that Tressel called all of his own plays at OSU which neutralized the influence that mediocre coaches like Jim Bollman had over the scheme (we saw how big of a loss Tressel and his play-calling was in 2011). Dantonio leaves the offensive play-calling to mediocre offensive minds such as Dave Warner and Brad Salem at MSU and Dantonio has made it work with exactly two QBs since he's been in East Lansing (Kirk Cousins and Connor Cook, both pocket passers). And during the Connor Cook golden years they had an excellent DC in Pat Narduzzi who had them performing as one of the top units in the conference. Once Narduzzi left for the Pitt job in 2015 was when the seeds of the decline were planted (they obviously made the CFP that year and got throttled by Bama and they haven't been the same since).

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hodge's picture

Great points! The ascendancy of Troy Smith -- and the offense they ran in '06 -- isn't lost on me. However, my opinion is more rooted in what happened after Troy left. With a generational athletic talent like Terrelle Pryor, Tress frequently lined him up in ways that failed to maximize his talents and those of his teammates. 

Check out this article penned by Chris Brown of Smartfootball. He wrote it in the aftermath of the home loss against USC in '09. Here's three paragraphs, but the whole post-mortem is well worth a read, even a decade later -- if only because it shows how far our beloved Buckeyes have come. (Side note: holy shit -- THAT WAS A DECADE AGO!)

 "Tragicomic. As I said, when I watched the game live I simply thought OSU could have deployed Terrelle Pryor better than it had. But re-watching the game exposed a lot of tactical mistakes by the Buckeyes, almost all of which made it exceptionally difficult for them to move the ball.

First and most obviously, OSU never once called the zone-read play. Never mind that last year it was the Buckeyes' only effective play against USC, averaging more than 6.8 yards per attempt; Saturday, the Buckeyes averaged a gangrenous 2.7 yards per carry, a number that infected the rest of the the simple-minded affair that the Buckeyes called a playbook, especially considering that the number is inflated by Pryor's third-and-long runs against umbrella coverage. Ohio State tailback Boom Herron averaged a mere 2.4 yards, and his longest gain was eight yards.

When I previewed this game, I said that mobile quarterbacks presented Pete Carroll with a math problem: How do you cover all of a team's receivers, guard the box for the run game, and account for the mobile quarterback? Fortunately for Carroll, he didn't have to solve this tricky arithmetic problem because Jim Tressel can't count."

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Dstacify's picture

A big part of the problem with Pryor was his position coaching. After the 2008 season Joe Daniels (long time QBs coach on Tressel's staff, he was primarily responsible for Troy's development and also managed to get a fairly productive season out of Todd Boeckman in 2007) retired and Tressel elected to replace him with Nick Siciliano, a former video coordinator (which was indeed a mistake as we saw how that decision worked out). Pryor never improved much as a passer because Siciliano did an absolute shit job in developing him which allowed defenses to key in on the run game (and despite that Tressel's offense still managed to unlock the run game down the stretch in 2009 and ride it en route to another B1G Championship). Plus as we saw with guys like Pryor, Braxton, and Cardale Tressel actually gained recruiting momentum towards the end of his run at the QB position (after starting his career at OSU with a notable whiff at QB in Justin Zwick). That's incredibly important considering what Braxton and Cardale would later go on to do for Urban's teams. In fact I'd say Cardale might've turned out BETTER playing in Tressel's system because as we know Meyer's offense was a terrible fit for Cardale and his skillset.

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hodge's picture

Man, I forgot all about Nick Siciliano. I know that Daniels did a helluva job, but Tress was always a QB coach in his own right (kinda like Day is now, even with Yurcich holding the title) -- so I guess I don't have as much sympathy on Pryor's lack of development.

I gotta give it to ya: Cardale under Tress is a very fun thought experiment. Way more fun to imagine than XBrax's career if he didn't have Meyer, that's for sure!

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Dstacify's picture

Cardale in Day's offense is even more fun to think about. Day I think could've turned Cardale into a first round pick had he gotten a chance to work with him.

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Lighteyes's picture

A big part of the problem with Pryor was his position coaching. 

Absolutely. But the question here is whether or not Tressel would have actually been willing to fire underperforming coaches. I mean, look at Wikipedia's list of coaching staff from 2011 (which, even though Tress wasn't the coach, was clearly the staff he was intending to roll with) and compare it with the 2012 coaching staff that Meyer had: 

Luke Fickell – Interim Head Coach (10th year on staff) - Urban Meyer
Jim Bollman – Offensive Line (11th year) - Ed Warinner
Nick Siciliano – Quarterbacks (3rd year) - Tom Herman
Jim Heacock – Defensive Line (16th year) - Mike Vrabel (swapping from linebackers)
Paul Haynes – Defensive Safeties (7th year) - Everett Withers
Stan Drayton – Wide Receivers (1st year) - Zach Smith
Taver Johnson – Defensive Cornerbacks (5th year) - Kerry Coombs
John Peterson – Tight Ends Coach (8th year) - Tim Hinton
Dick Tressel – Running Backs (11th year) - Stan Drayton (swapping from WR)
Mike Vrabel – Defensive Linebackers (1st year) - Luke Fickell (back to LB)

First off, look at the years on staff for the guys in the left column: Tress had mostly guys who'd been there for years upon years. It's hard to conclude anything other than "yeah, Tress would have kept riding with those same guys for years to come". 

Secondly, compare the assistants in the left column with their similar guys on the right column. Of the six new guys, three of them were three enormous and undeniable upgrades (Herman, Warinner, Coombs), one was a moderate upgrade (Hinton), one was a moderate downgrade (Haynes to Withers) and one I'm intentionally ignoring because let's not derail here (Smith).

So yeah, I agree that a lot of the issue was the assistant coaches; I just don't know if I honestly believe Tressel would have been willing to make the calls necessary to upgrade the staff.

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Dstacify's picture

Yes, Tressel had issues with being too loyal to his staff (Bollman alone is proof of that). You know who else was too loyal to his coaches? Meyer (let's not pretend like he wasn't). Zach Smith was the biggest and most damning example of that but we saw Meyer not have the courage to dismiss Warinner and Beck immediately after the disappointing 2015 season because in his words he didn't know how to "justify it" after the offense improved in their last two games. Also he couldn't outright fire Everett Withers despite the horror show that was the 2013 defense so he chose to quietly set him up with the head job at James Madison University instead. And even after the even bigger horror show that was last year's defense I don't think Meyer would've been able to fire Schiano or Davis since they were his friends (the entire reason those guys are no longer here is because of Day). The only reason coaching turnover has been higher under Meyer is because so many of his assistants have gone on to become head coaches (Withers, Vrabel, Fickell, Herman, Day, Ash, you name it). In contrast Tressel only had three assistants in his ten year career at OSU (Dantonio, Tim Beckman, and Darrell Hazell) go on to become head coaches post-OSU. So the turnover numbers are a little skewed there.

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andretolstoy's picture

I agree he did with Troy at the helm, but I'm not sure with Pryor. I will have a hard time forgiving Tressel for the USC loss at home. He GAVE that game a way.

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Buckabroad's picture

Hodge: I want to thank you for your reply and insight. I cannot find a single point, or even nuance, I would disagree with. 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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andretolstoy's picture

Personally, I think Woody fits this bill. What's to say had he retired when he should have he would have avoided being ousted the way he was for the stupid thing he did, and we would have had Bo as HC.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Buckeyebull64's picture

Not sure that timeline works. Bo started coaching Michigan ten years before Woody left the Buckeyes 

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andretolstoy's picture

I guess you're correct here.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Dstacify's picture

Matta's situation was a little different. After he had his surgery traveling became much more difficult for him and as a result recruiting took a massive hit during his final seasons. Couple that with his on court energy not being what it once was due to health problems, his attempts to run a "clean program" at OSU derailing their progress due to how much the college basketball elites pay their players under the table nowadays, and his lack of player development with talented players like Keita Bates-Diop and Jae'Sean Tate towards the end and that basically signaled the end of the Thad Matta era at OSU. Dantonio doesn't have the health excuse at MSU right now. His problem is that he is too loyal to his coaching staff and is throwback old school B1G type of coach (as is Harbaugh but scUM has more national recruiting pull than Sparty does).

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hodge's picture

I agree with everything you're saying, but the end result is still the same. Matta and Dantonio may have taken different routes (and you could argue that Matta's journey was largely out of his hands), but they both wound up in the same destination.

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andretolstoy's picture

So does this mean that Holtmann's program now pays the players since we were able to get such a decent class and see improvement?

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Dstacify's picture

I did NOT say that. I think Holtmann absolutely is continuing Thad's tradition of running the program the right way. Holtmann is a younger coach who has injected the program with a newfound energy that was missing towards the end of Thad's run (in large part due to his health problems). It was a combination of things that caused Thad's decline at OSU, the biggest being his health problems. The reality is coaches who attempt to run clean programs are putting themselves at a disadvantage nowadays in college basketball by doing so (you think Coach K, Roy Williams, and Calipari run clean programs, don't make me laugh, Zion absolutely was getting paid at Duke last season). John Beilein has openly complained about this (because he ran a clean program up north) and it's a big reason why he's coaching the Cavs now and no longer in Ann Arbor. By the end of Matta's run OSU was at a massive disadvantage on the recruiting trail and that was just one of many reasons why.

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andretolstoy's picture

I know you didn't say it specifically. But I've heard this assertion several times before. And Matta even alluded to running the clean program in that last speech.

I just saw it as the narrative that if you want to run a successful program in College basketball, you have to pay the players under the table.

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Dstacify's picture

College basketball is corrupt. Like very corrupt. Like the majority of the top tier elite programs do shady shit to land their recruits. You think what happened with Rick Pitino at Louisville is an anomaly? That happens everywhere in the college basketball world (I guarantee Duke and Kentucky have employed somewhat similar practices to what Pitino employed at Louisville, they're just either better at covering their tracks or the NCAA refuses to punish them out of fear of upsetting the competitive balance). I think Holtmann is doing his best to run a clean program at OSU and continue the tradition that Matta started (cause we saw firsthand how Jim O'Brien got the school in trouble) and that unfortunately makes him an outlier nowadays.

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stlbuckeye15's picture

I for one am perfectly content with Dantonio there. Don’t mind them being consistently mediocre at best. Defense will test our offense but should be relatively easy to win if their offense continues to struggle. I care less about conference status than I do about Ohio State in the postseason so Michigan State can be indefinitely terrible for all I care. Just my opinion

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Dstacify's picture

Honestly I liked it better when Sparty was better than scUM because it was hilariously demasculating for the scUM fans who put them down as Little Brother for so long.

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stlbuckeye15's picture

I can appreciate that perspective. 

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Fatpants's picture

He does deserve some loyalty, but if I’m the AD at MSU, I’m asking him why 2020 with him would be different than 2019. 

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

Give him an ultimatum:

Completely overhaul the offensive staff or we'll find someone that will.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

That's how it went down for Les Miles at LSU, and when he called their bluff, they tossed him out on his ear.

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rkylet83's picture

He hand picked the AD, so he’s there until he wants to leave.  Unfortunate for MSU fans because that program is dying and I enjoyed seeing them make life difficult for Michigan...not for us so much.  

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Hovenaut's picture

Yeah, I still think Dino earned the right to go out on his terms, but that program looks like it about needs a total reset.

Pride comes before the fall...those words have lingered on.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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westcampus's picture

How has he earned the right to go out on his own terms exactly? The guy has been running a crime mill.

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Hovenaut's picture

How has he been "running a crime mill" exactly?

But to answer your question, he's only been their most successful coach this side of Duffy Daughterty, with three conference titles, a playoff berth, and 110 wins (most all-time in their history).

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Milk Steak To Go's picture

TL;DR - he brought a rapist on to campus over protestations from his coaching staff and the rapist proceeded to do what rapists do.

Gonna get heavy when he sits for a deposition after the season.

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westcampus's picture

and that is just one piece of a much bigger problem. most unethical coach to ever come through the big ten. he's saved because he "looks the part" and says the right stuff... and OSU fans like him because he dominated dick rod and hoke... and was an assistant here. but the guy is a total dirtbag.

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andretolstoy's picture

Interesting that you mentioned Duffy Daugherty. If you look at old photos of him (I guess all of them are at this point) you see he liked to wear the same game apparel that Coach Dino wears. Or, I should say Coach Dantonio seems to wearing the sport jacket and winter cap on the sidelines to honor Coach Daugherty. They swapped one tough Irishman for a tough Italian.

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Earle's picture

I want to complete the circle

Didn't he already complete the circle from mediocrity to Top 5 team and back to mediocrity?

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I assumed it was a metaphor for circling the drain

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osu992's picture

I would appreciate if someone could draw up a graphic so I can identify the missing link in this circle.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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mittenst8buck's picture

Maybe he meant 0 wins...zero is in the shape of a circle

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stxbuck's picture

If I’m making several million a year and still enjoy my job, why should I care what the interwebz people think?

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LCT's picture

I dunno...we'll see but these old guys can be Fickell.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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hodge's picture

I know Fick's gonna be a hot name for the MSU gig when it opens up (be it after this season or the next), but you gotta think -- with the trajectory he's got that program on -- he might be better off sticking around and waiting for an even better job. I mean, Brian Kelly went from the Bearcats to ND and Butch Jones hopped to Tennessee. Gotta wonder if there isn't an opportunity like that lying in wait for Fick if he sticks around UC for a few more seasons.

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JTFor President2016's picture

Agree completely. I'm not to enthused about taking a job that is 4th fiddle in their own division, when it comes to brand. If it was a job in the West, like Iowa? Then yes. But I'd much rather have another year at Cincy, and see what other offers come, than put myself at MSU. 

It is HARD to recover from having a rough patch at a Power-5 job. Hell, it took Eddie O 10 years to recover from Ole Miss. People were still harping on him for his Ole Miss stretch when LSU hired him. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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Milk Steak To Go's picture

This.  He already turned down a mid-tier (at best) job in West Virginia to stay at Cincy.  The way he's recruiting, he'll be competing for AAC championships for the foreseeable future.  No way he's leaving that for the 4th best job in the Big Ten East when he can turn it into a better job in the ACC, SEC, or Big Ten.

That said, he may enjoy the rebuild part of MSU.

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Defiance's picture

#HIREFICKELL

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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JTFor President2016's picture

They need a whole new philosophy offensively. Gone are the days on 2010-2015, when they were able to recruit with the likes of UM and PSU. Their talent has fallen off, and I can't see it rebounding unless scandals/Rich Rod plague the "Big 3" in the East. They can't hope to win by playing smash mouth football anymore. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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DurhamBuckeye's picture

Folks are dogging on their offense, and rightfully so.  But over the last 6 games they have given up more than 35 points per game.  Granted, that was a pretty tough 6 game stretch, but their defense has not been up to usual standards.  

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Jbucki's picture

This is strictly a business decision to ensure he gets his full contract value. Make them fire you and pay you on the way out.

JBuckI

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Nutinpa's picture

They will reach a settlement with Dantonio.   He is building a mansion on the beach in Florida, south of Sarasota.  He is a legend in East Lansing, and although not "Izzo-like" in stature, still huge.  Everyone knows the program is a mess.  They will nudge him out without making him look bad and clean house.  I think he saw the hand-writing on the wall.  

Like Tressel and Meyer (although Tress was the only one he liked of the two), Dino is fiercely loyal to his staff.  That loyalty put him in the mess the programs is in, but old habits and traits die hard if they ever die at all.  He won't be on the Sparty sideline next year.

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westcampus's picture

So in other words: the women of East Lansing aren't getting any safer?

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CptBuckeye24's picture

Next year is going to be rough when you factor in their talent losses. And if they keep their offensive staff, they are barely a 6 or 7 win team

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NHBuckeye's picture

"I'm not going to retire".  <But you are more than welcome to offer me a package that is well above and beyond what I will be due if you'd like me to leave now>.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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youra6's picture

Dude is still probably getting paid millions to eat Big Macs

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

No one wants to take Dantonio's job. 

MSU is basically like Texas A&M if Texas A&M had half the money, half the facilities, and a much weaker in-state recruiting base, plus bitterly cold winters. 

If I were a hotshot coach, I'd want to take a job in either the Big Ten West or the ACC Coastal. Somewhere where I could make my mark and have a decent shot of winning 8-9 games a season if I did my job well. At MSU, if you do your job great you'll probably still end the season with 2 or 3 losses minimum. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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Spartan13's picture

Fickell would take that job without a second thought. He could dominate Ohio in recruiting after OSU takes the top 4/5 players. His dream is obviously to get the OSU job and if he can win 9/10 games a year at MSU while pulling a couple upsets he could position himself to be a top candidate in the future. Fickell is only 46 and if Day wants to go to the NFL after his fourth championship he could position himself to be the top candidate. Staying at UC would be very hard to be good enough for OSU. He would need to establish a G5 dynasty where they win atleast 10 games a year while getting to a NY6 bowl every couple years. 

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I am Kirok's picture

How sure are you he's waiting on OSU and not ND? I don't think he's under the impression the the OSU will be open anytime soon. ND however...

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andretolstoy's picture

I also think he'd choose ND over MSU in a heartbeat.

What I'm not convinced about Fickell, however, is that he won't continue mistakes that are being spelled out by the thread here. I'm not convinced he will ever seek an offensive mind to run his offenses.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

Fickell would definitely not take the MSU job "without a second thought." As I've said, the MSU job is a pretty bad one all things considered. Fickell would be recruiting at pretty much the same level as he is now, would have probably the same level of facilities (maybe a little better) and would have stiffer competition. Fickell would be wiser to wait until a better job like Notre Dame or USC comes calling. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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andretolstoy's picture

I had no idea MSU was in such disarray.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

After watching the dirty hits from Dino's boys the last time they played the Bucks, I think it's time for him to go. Especially that late elbow to Dobbins head when he was already down.

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kmp10's picture

 It is unknown if the MSU AD would give Dantonio another year.

I read yesterday in a national article that the MSU administration "will not fire" Mark Dantonio, so I think we do know that if MD wants another year, or three, he'll seemingly get it. Apparently, they feel he's earned the right to go out on his own terms. I disagree with that nonsense, btw, because the money being paid to coaches nowadays means the expectations, no matter how unrealistic, must be met. Mark Dantonio makes north of 4 million annually to win football games, and he's failed miserably in that regard for three of the past four years. These coaches are stubborn and often times refuse to make necessary changes because their egos are too big, and an AD at a P5 program simply cannot allow a guy to whom he's paying millions of dollars to just continue losing on the field and in the living rooms because that coach was once very successful. That would be doing a disservice to the program. Personally, I like Dantonio, and if he capitulates and makes the necessary changes to his offensive staff then I'd keep him, but an ultimatum must be given... make changes, or we'll need you to step aside and we'll make them for you. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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Independence Village 22's picture

Is it too soon for Msu to bring in Art Briles? Fickell would work but Freeman is the real prize.

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stxbuck's picture

I hope Marcus Freeman teaches his LBs to wrap up better than he did at tOSU.

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TkeBuck's picture

personally, if dantonio leaves msu, i want it to be on his terms. 

klusewski

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GINNandjuice's picture

Give him a “two” year contract with a mutual opt out clause after year one, Build a class and hire a silent “coach in waiting” with a completely retooled offensive staff and scheme. Then after what happens, MD gets to ride out into the sunset without the negativity surrounding the program this year. This would be my plan as MSU AD

All Glory is Fleeting

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andretolstoy's picture

Was Day a silent coach in waiting?

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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keith7456's picture

Well duh. Why would he retire. Make them fire you so that they have to pay you the buyout. Why just throw away money.

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LCT's picture

Bishop made the point on radio today that Fickell to Florida State makes more sense than Fickell to Michigan State because you can win a NC there.

Why can't you win a NC at Michigan State?

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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